| 00:03.24 | mrpull-x | has anybody read Ambrose's Band of Brothers? |
| 00:13.09 | dataw0lf | Yup. |
| 00:13.15 | dataw0lf | series is decent too. |
| 00:13.52 | dataw0lf | I'm in awe of Generation Kill right now. Most accurate portrayal of the Iraq War ever. |
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| 00:59.01 | goozbach | I blame fozzmoo |
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| 01:54.39 | levi | fozzmoo: I have some big JBL studio monitor speakers at work, but I don't use them to listen to music. |
| 01:58.34 | levi | maquis: The headphones are AKG K271S studio monitor headphones. |
| 02:00.50 | levi | maquis: http://www.plug.org/pipermail/plug/2008-April/030482.html |
| 02:00.50 | brac | [[OT] Headphones Recommendation for a Noisy Cubicle?] |
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| 02:26.59 | bugQ | I was looking at these until I found my pop's old headset: http://www.amazon.com/Koss-PortaPro-Headphones-with-Case/dp/B00001P4ZH |
| 02:27.47 | bugQ | not great at sound insulation, just sound quality |
| 02:28.06 | bugQ | and cheap. |
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| 02:53.03 | fozzmoo | levi: I knew it! |
| 02:59.39 | levi | fozzmoo: Knew what? |
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| 03:36.58 | bugQ | is it weird to use headphones for casual listening with no one around? |
| 03:37.14 | levi | No. |
| 03:37.38 | bugQ | well obviously you would say that, you were doing it just then. |
| 03:38.02 | levi | Why would it be weird? |
| 03:38.18 | bugQ | oh, I dunno |
| 03:38.43 | levi | They're a perfect companion to an iPod or laptop. |
| 03:39.03 | levi | Laptop speakers sound like crap, and decent non-headphone speakers aren't particularly portable. |
| 03:39.38 | levi | Headphones are the default casual listening device. |
| 03:40.56 | bugQ | ok, good enough |
| 03:52.14 | levi | My nice headphones are typically just for office use. |
| 03:52.34 | levi | I have some pretty decent in-ear phones, though. |
| 03:52.50 | levi | And some craptacular headphones that I leave plugged into my amp for practicing. |
| 03:53.57 | levi | They used to have an in-line volume control slider, but one of the contacts on it broke, so I took it off and spliced the wires back together. |
| 04:24.01 | levi | Man, where is everyone? |
| 04:33.03 | bugQ | busy or asleep... |
| 04:33.16 | levi | Shame on them. |
| 04:42.48 | Sargun | Here. |
| 04:45.22 | levi | And what's Sargun up to tonight? |
| 04:45.30 | Sargun | Back from the gym. |
| 04:45.32 | Sargun | tired. |
| 04:45.55 | Sargun | Building FTP proxies (FTP is an...uhm...interesting protocol) |
| 04:46.07 | levi | Why FTP? |
| 04:46.34 | Sargun | because the proxy has to intercept traffic and cache it in an "interesting" way |
| 04:46.56 | Sargun | basically we have a program which fetches feeds from FTP and injects them into our database |
| 04:47.03 | Sargun | we have to run this on every system |
| 04:47.39 | bugQ | sftp is a little silly too...it breaks if your shell spits out anything on startup |
| 04:48.17 | bugQ | so you end up adding an account just for sftp |
| 05:08.07 | levi | Time to sleep. |
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| 06:07.15 | findlay | ibot: but what > RSPec? |
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| 07:15.41 | inkynoob | Evening. Would anyone like an original Xbox w/ 2 controllers? I added got USB ports and installed Debian on it. I was trying to use it as a MythTV frontend, but it can only do standard def, and I've got some HD content |
| 07:15.56 | inkynoob | Cheap as free if you pick it up in Provo |
| 07:17.02 | Supaplex | tempting. :) |
| 07:18.13 | inkynoob | I'm just de-cluttering my house, so if you (or someone else) would like it, it's yours |
| 07:19.57 | inkynoob | If anyone sees this tomorrow and wants the Xbox, drop me a line at stuporglue@gmail.com. |
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| 08:59.40 | Supaplex | humm I let my router do the routing, and low, the tftp issue is gone. |
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| 13:05.29 | levi | snickers at fozzmoo for his reading material of choice. ;) |
| 13:06.13 | levi | fozzmoo: Those books are for GIRLS! |
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| 13:12.06 | brac | [An IRC Tutorial] |
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| 16:11.54 | sjansen | levi: I'm curious why you stopped reading _Programming Languages: Application and Interpretation_ |
| 16:36.43 | tensai | elg: http://www.epicurious.com/articlesguides/blogs/editor/2008/08/keep-it-hot-wit.html |
| 16:37.10 | tensai | nice wood fired oven for a mere $9,995 |
| 16:38.25 | elg | tensai: you're getting it for me on my birthday? |
| 16:38.27 | elg | what a pal |
| 16:41.32 | sjansen | ~seen levi |
| 16:41.35 | ibot | levi is currently on #utah. Has said a total of 37 messages. Is idling for 3h 35m 22s, last said: 'fozzmoo: Those books are for GIRLS!'. |
| 16:42.29 | fozzmoo | heh. |
| 16:42.43 | fozzmoo | I have a bind question. |
| 16:43.28 | fozzmoo | Can I create a local DNS server inside a private network that overrides A records for a couple domain names... but all other host names within the zone still resolve against an external server? |
| 16:43.49 | fozzmoo | Seems simple enough, but I don't know exactly how to do it. |
| 16:44.01 | jsmith | fozzmoo: google for "BIND views" |
| 16:44.08 | fozzmoo | thanks! |
| 16:44.24 | unum | xkcd is good today |
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| 16:45.36 | tensai | fozzmoo: you can define a zone for say www.fozz.moo and not define one for fozz.moo. Queries for the latter would still go out on the intarweb. |
| 16:45.53 | fozzmoo | Ahhh. that's an exciting prospect. |
| 16:46.06 | tensai | I did that myself for a few domains in fact |
| 16:47.06 | tensai | it's really no different than creating a zone for zmonkey.org and having .org still resolve normally |
| 16:47.16 | fozzmoo | tensai: makes complete sense |
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| 16:53.08 | *** topic/#utah by sjansen -> http://plug.org/irc | Channel log @ http://ibot.rikers.org/%23utah/ | UTOSC disccode POUNDUTAH 2008.utosc.com | Make the bad man stop! |
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| 17:02.52 | tensai | how do I turn off broadcast messages on the console? for example, "Broadcast message from root (Fri Aug 15 11:02:09 2008):" |
| 17:03.00 | tensai | I thought mesg n would do it |
| 17:03.04 | tensai | but apparently not |
| 17:03.16 | elg | fozzmoo: i just have a .lan zone exposed only to the internal network |
| 17:12.14 | fozzmoo | elg: Yeah- we have something like that too. |
| 17:12.30 | fozzmoo | But I need a .com domain name to resolve to an internal address, internally. |
| 17:12.35 | fozzmoo | I fixed it. |
| 17:13.18 | fozzmoo | Thanks for your guidance, tensai, elg, jsmith |
| 17:13.35 | elg | guides fozzmoo into the tunnel of love with a llama |
| 17:14.07 | fozzmoo | wooo. |
| 17:18.17 | Sargun | heh |
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| 18:04.57 | tristanbob_ | anyone looking for Information Security or Network Engineering position? |
| 18:05.32 | tristanbob_ | One Jr and one Sr level job @ Weber State University for Information Secutity |
| 18:05.55 | tristanbob_ | One Sr level Network Engineer job @ Weber State University |
| 18:06.07 | tristanbob_ | For more info and to apply, visit http://jobs.weber.edu |
| 18:06.45 | tristanbob_ | I am posting this here because I want good co-workers |
| 18:06.58 | tristanbob_ | and the position will involve daily use of open source software |
| 18:07.15 | tristanbob_ | please share this with anyone who you think would be interested |
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| 18:15.59 | sjansen | ~ping levi |
| 18:16.00 | ibot | pong levi |
| 18:37.38 | bugQ | best code font yet! http://damieng.com/blog/2008/05/26/envy-code-r-preview-7-coding-font-released |
| 18:38.54 | fozzmoo | That is nice. |
| 18:43.38 | bugQ | looks nice when aliased too, at most sizes. |
| 18:46.26 | elg | what makes it best? |
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| 18:54.56 | sjansen | I disagree. It's okay at larger font sizes, but at smaller size Deja Vu Sans Mono looks better. |
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| 18:57.02 | sjansen | Used to use ProFontWindows, but eventually switched after discovering how much DejaVu had improved. |
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| 19:02.07 | bugQ | sjansen: yeah, ok. I have resolution to spare, so larger sizes are a must, anyway. |
| 19:02.51 | fozzmoo | Hmmm. Right now I'm using Bitstream\ Vera\ Sans\ Mono\ 9 in .vimrc |
| 19:03.49 | fozzmoo | Envy R 9 is a little hard to read. |
| 19:04.19 | fozzmoo | I agree with sjansen... Deja Sans Mono is better at 9pt |
| 19:04.29 | elg | i think i still prefer anonymous |
| 19:05.00 | bugQ | I've had problems with whitespace alignment in anony |
| 19:05.09 | sjansen | fozzmoo: DejaVu is an updated version of Bitstream Vera. License required rename. |
| 19:05.11 | elg | http://www.ms-studio.com/FontSales/anonymous.html |
| 19:05.26 | brac | [Anonymous(tm)] |
| 19:06.08 | fozzmoo | sjansen: Thanks for that bit of history. I did not know that. |
| 19:07.28 | fozzmoo | Ugh. No, I can't say I like Anonymous at all. |
| 19:07.38 | fozzmoo | Too seriffed. |
| 19:07.43 | elg | i don't any more know whether I prefer terminus to anonymous, but it's sure easier to get anonymous working in many places |
| 19:07.47 | fozzmoo | It is readable. I'll give you that. |
| 19:08.06 | fozzmoo | and I like the slashed zeroes... but the slashes are going the wrong direction. |
| 19:08.12 | findlay | lucida typewriter for me |
| 19:09.07 | fozzmoo | Liberation Mono isn't bad. |
| 19:09.32 | fozzmoo | Oooh, findlay, lucida typwriter is very readable. |
| 19:10.02 | elg | i used lucida typewriter when i was a freshman |
| 19:10.07 | sjansen | elg: Looks good in the preview, but gnome-terminal ends up all jagged and ugly. |
| 19:10.08 | elg | now it just reminds me of coding in java |
| 19:10.22 | fozzmoo | heh. |
| 19:10.23 | elg | sjansen: it's just a truetype font. *shrug* |
| 19:10.44 | sjansen | Which is what makes the jaggies so odd. |
| 19:10.47 | elg | I do find I prefer it with aliasing on, which goes contrary to most fixed-width fonts |
| 19:11.56 | elg | what can i say, no jaggies either way here (os x terminal) |
| 19:12.05 | elg | either bad truetype or bad gnome-terminal |
| 19:14.51 | sjansen | Probably gnome-terminal since preview looked good, |
| 19:15.38 | RyanE | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:17.47 | elg | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:17.53 | nick125 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:18.01 | Jayce^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:18.10 | elg | ~say |
| 19:18.10 | ibot | say what? |
| 19:18.28 | nick125 | ~say what what? |
| 19:18.29 | ibot | what what |
| 19:18.29 | elg | you're right ibot, it's time to listen to wonderland |
| 19:18.50 | sjansen | Interesting. Envy is noticeably more compact horizontally. Anonymous is more compact vertically. |
| 19:19.13 | elg | yeah, anonymous certainly isn't the most horizontally compact |
| 19:20.14 | sjansen | I'd probably argue vertical is more important. |
| 19:20.32 | elg | me too |
| 19:20.43 | elg | in fact i find i don't really like the horizontally squished fonts |
| 19:21.08 | sjansen | I'm trying to convince myself to like Anonymous just to get the improved vertical spacing. |
| 19:21.37 | elg | :) |
| 19:22.20 | elg | set it as your xchat font |
| 19:22.25 | elg | that'll get you used to it without ruining your life |
| 19:22.51 | sjansen | I don't need more IRC history. I always want more space for code. |
| 19:23.09 | elg | well once you get used to it you can go back to comic sans for irc and anonymous for code |
| 19:23.26 | elg | but then you won't be able to appreciate |
| 19:23.30 | elg | -cowsay mooo |
| 19:23.42 | elg | -figlet moo |
| 19:23.52 | elg | ~lart brac |
| 19:23.52 | ibot | executes killall -TERM brac |
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| 19:25.10 | elg | quick, hide the caffeine |
| 19:25.24 | sjansen | And the bacon! |
| 19:26.20 | sjansen | I just can't do it. :-( |
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| 19:27.14 | sjansen | Mac OS X has access to extra hinting. Freetype has to algorithmically approximate. Bet that's the difference. :-( |
| 19:27.30 | sjansen | ~lart patents |
| 19:27.30 | ibot | forces patents to use Outlook Express |
| 19:29.39 | elg | you should code in cyrillic anyway |
| 19:29.44 | elg | or klingon |
| 19:30.02 | elg | levi: were you into the wheel of time series? was that the one you were talking about once? |
| 19:30.46 | sjansen | This is some test text. |
| 19:30.46 | sjansen | Let's see how it handles descenders. |
| 19:30.46 | sjansen | What? No descenders? |
| 19:30.46 | sjansen | What do I have to do for a descender? |
| 19:30.46 | sjansen | My kindom for a descender! |
| 19:30.47 | sjansen | Wait... Yay!!! |
| 19:30.57 | elg | dewho? |
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| 19:34.30 | elg | what's a descender? |
| 19:35.48 | sjansen | qypgj |
| 19:35.59 | sjansen | A glyph that descends below the baseline. |
| 19:37.41 | sjansen | Okay, that's weird... |
| 19:38.43 | elg | what is? |
| 19:39.34 | sjansen | "The original was available in only 9-point. I've added 8-, 10-, and 11-point bitmap fonts." -- http://www.ms-studio.com/FontSales/anonymous.html |
| 19:39.37 | brac | [Anonymous(tm)] |
| 19:40.39 | sjansen | So I thinks to myself: "Maybe those bitmaps are causing the problem. After all, Mac OS renders fonts on screen at 72 dpi and you're using 96 dpi." |
| 19:41.07 | elg | font voodoo |
| 19:41.16 | sjansen | So I tweak the dpi. Everything changes size but Anonymous. |
| 19:41.23 | elg | heh |
| 19:41.35 | sjansen | And again I thinks to myself: "Self, that was strange. But I guess is makes sense... sorta." |
| 19:42.01 | sjansen | When it it hits. The font looks good now. |
| 19:42.13 | sjansen | Of course, this is compared to a bunch of tiny, squished fonts... |
| 19:42.19 | sjansen | So I put the DPI back. |
| 19:42.25 | sjansen | And it still looks good. |
| 19:42.34 | sjansen | Did Freetype suddenly get smarter? |
| 19:42.41 | sjansen | Did my brain finally adjust? |
| 19:42.43 | sjansen | ... |
| 19:42.55 | sjansen | I think I'm going to blame SELinux. |
| 19:43.05 | elg | did you finally get the image of the thong out of your head? |
| 19:43.08 | elg | oh, good idea! |
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| 20:05.08 | elg | heh, hick swimming suit |
| 20:05.09 | elg | http://www.swimoutlet.com/product_p/6449.htm |
| 20:05.21 | brac | [ClubSwim Camoflauge Jammer at SwimOutlet.com] |
| 20:06.21 | Sargun | Quick survey: What are most people's professions here? |
| 20:07.12 | elg | irc idler |
| 20:07.48 | Sargun | hehe |
| 20:15.14 | eggyknap | data analysis stuff + server operations |
| 20:17.46 | sjansen | IT |
| 20:18.19 | Sargun | sjansen, that was my guess. |
| 20:18.25 | Sargun | data analysis -- like what? |
| 20:20.32 | elg | irc logs mostly |
| 20:21.54 | Sargun | You don't think there are many programmers here? |
| 20:22.58 | Sargun | find out|less |
| 20:23.40 | elg | no, certainly not. no programmers in here |
| 20:24.08 | eggyknap | Sargun: right now providing visualizations and reporting in interesting ways for $clients. Eventually, data mining, if I ever get time :) |
| 20:24.55 | Sargun | eggyknap, professionally, or for entertainment? |
| 20:26.16 | tensai | people data mine for entertainment? that's just sick, sick, sick. |
| 20:26.46 | Sargun | uhm |
| 20:26.48 | Sargun | backs away |
| 20:27.57 | eggyknap | pictures doing such things for entertainment, and also backs away |
| 20:31.14 | sjansen | I'm a jack of all trades. I spent some time programming. Some time writing training materials. Some time teaching. A lot of time reading. |
| 20:37.40 | sjansen | s/spent/spend/ |
| 21:10.28 | goozbach | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:10.50 | levi | elg: I used to be in to the Wheel of Time series, yeah. |
| 21:11.13 | levi | That was a long time ago, though. |
| 21:11.25 | levi | I haven't even bothered to read the most recent two or three books. |
| 21:11.25 | sjansen | levi: I'm curious why you stopped reading _Programming Languages: Application and Interpretation_ |
| 21:12.06 | elg | just curious because branden sanderson is writing the final one (at the request of the late author's wife) |
| 21:12.32 | levi | sjansen: It's not that I stopped reading it, it's that I never really started. I found it while searching for references in my paper bashing C, and I skimmed through bits of it then. |
| 21:12.40 | levi | elg: Yup, I'd heard all about that. |
| 21:13.01 | elg | patiently awaits the third mistborn book |
| 21:13.17 | levi | elg: He's got a heck of a job ahead of him, trying to tie up all the loose ends and make a readable book out of it. |
| 21:13.44 | levi | I guess Robert Jordan had it mostly worked out, though, and he's got a lot of material to work from. |
| 21:14.18 | levi | I used to play on a Wheel of Time MOO, back in the day, and I still hang out in a chat thingy with a bunch of those people, though pretty much none of us care about WoT anymore. :) |
| 21:16.02 | levi | Interesting bunch of people. Two of them are Ph.D.s and teaching now, one's a professional editor, one's writing magazine articles and comic books, one's a homemaker who does crazy knitting projects, etc. |
| 21:17.41 | bugQ | oh yeah, I had an idea to make a distributed MOO, but I couldn't reconcile how permissions and code privacy would work across servers. |
| 21:18.16 | bugQ | without just making a whole bunch of RPCs |
| 21:18.47 | levi | I think half the programming-minded people who ever used them thought about making a distributed MUD. |
| 21:19.02 | levi | A few people actually did, but they never really took off. |
| 21:19.21 | bugQ | which is why I want to |
| 21:19.41 | levi | Except no one cares about MUDs anymore, at least not the text-based variety. |
| 21:19.48 | bugQ | right, not text-based. this is the 21st century, after all. |
| 21:19.51 | RyanE | sounds like the same desire that causes people to build an antique car from scratch... :) |
| 21:20.55 | bugQ | probably, RyanE |
| 21:22.28 | Sargun | nick125, PHP or Python |
| 21:28.01 | sjansen | Python. Never PHP. |
| 21:28.08 | sjansen | Friends don't let friends use PHP. |
| 21:29.52 | goozbach | ~take away sargun's php |
| 21:30.03 | goozbach | ~steal Sargun's php |
| 21:30.03 | ibot | ACTION grabs Sargun's php and gives it to goozbach |
| 21:30.12 | sjansen | levi: This just blew my mind: fibs = 1 : 1 : zipWith (+) fibs (tail fibs) |
| 21:30.25 | goozbach | throws sargun's php into the bottom of a deep lake. |
| 21:30.44 | tensai | goozbach: what did the deep lake ever do to you? |
| 21:30.45 | sjansen | With the missing ), of course. |
| 21:30.58 | levi | sjansen: Doing some haskell? |
| 21:31.13 | Sargun | Why does redhat try so hard to strip the "apache" branding? |
| 21:31.27 | sjansen | That's actually in PLAI. He introduces basic Haskell to discuss laziness. |
| 21:31.47 | goozbach | Sargun: just make a freaking symlink and quit complaing ln -s /etc/init.d/httpd /etc/init.d/apache |
| 21:31.52 | goozbach | :) |
| 21:31.55 | Sargun | and /etc/httpd |
| 21:31.55 | sjansen | Sargun: Apache has requested that people use a different name if they modify the code. |
| 21:32.12 | Sargun | Tell them not to modify the code |
| 21:32.15 | sjansen | RH's changes are minor, but out of respect, because it isn't vanilla Apache, they use a different name. |
| 21:32.17 | Sargun | It works fine as is. |
| 21:32.25 | sjansen | ~lart Sargun |
| 21:32.25 | ibot | puts Sargun into a headlock and administers a mighty noogie, rubbing half of Sargun's hair of |
| 21:32.39 | sjansen | Sargun: Shut up newb! |
| 21:32.45 | levi | sjansen: Seen 'Real World Haskell' or whatever it's called? |
| 21:32.58 | Sargun | At least come up with a better name :-P |
| 21:33.10 | levi | Even relatively mundane stuff can be mind-bending in Haskell. ;) |
| 21:33.55 | sjansen | Yeah, I've been monitoring its progress. Started teaching myself Haskell a few months before it was announced. |
| 21:34.29 | levi | I got it down well enough to write a stupid compiler in it, but it's fading from my brain quickly. |
| 21:35.35 | bugQ | you're not in deep until you find a need for templates and GADTs |
| 21:35.41 | Sargun | What the heck, AT&T has hooks in their system to bill you for checking if your vm has messages in it. |
| 21:35.50 | Sargun | and roaming. |
| 21:36.47 | bugQ | what bugged me the most about learning haskell is how complicated everyone managed to make monads sound |
| 21:39.06 | bugQ | they aren't that hideous, just a way of emulating procedural code with lambdas |
| 21:39.07 | levi | It took a little while to realize that 'Monad' was really just a type class, i.e. an interface a type of data can have. |
| 21:39.37 | levi | And the whole reason you made things into Monads was so you could re-use a set of base functionality that works with them. |
| 21:39.55 | bugQ | yup yup |
| 21:40.22 | levi | There isn't really one thing they do, or one thing they're for. What happens when you use a monad-compatible type with the monad functions depends on how you implement them. |
| 21:40.45 | bugQ | well yes |
| 21:41.30 | bugQ | they're just a form of abstraction |
| 21:42.31 | bugQ | what bugs me the most about haskell itself is that everything is lazy by _default_ |
| 21:42.39 | bugQ | makes it slow as hell |
| 22:01.31 | levi | Well, not necessarily. |
| 22:01.44 | levi | I should say, it depends on what you're doing. |
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| 22:28.37 | Sargun | I hate accounting. |
| 22:29.34 | Sargun | Dear RedHat, Please don't backport all the changes of Python 2.5 to 2.4 and call still call it "2.4" |
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| 22:42.02 | findlay | why do bikinis have hair? |
| 22:42.49 | findlay | the world's first atom bomb was detonated on the bikini atoll |
| 22:43.13 | RyanE | *someone* has bikinis on the brain... |
| 22:44.17 | findlay | I guess we'll never know |
| 23:22.36 | levi | findlay: http://www.sitmo.com/latex/ |
| 23:36.33 | Sargun | Is it alright to do business with the devil? |
| 23:40.36 | goozbach | Sargun: it usually doesn't end well for one of the parties involved |
| 23:40.49 | Sargun | I think it'll end badly for the devil |
| 23:40.58 | goozbach | not that party |
| 23:41.01 | Sargun | hehe |
| 23:41.13 | Sargun | my employer is metaphorically doing business with the devil. |
| 23:44.48 | goozbach | which devil? |
| 23:52.23 | tensai | AT&T, right? |
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