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| 02:12.23 | findlay | man, just show up on bookface and everybody starts clamoring for your 'friendship' |
| 02:18.14 | Sargun | uhm. |
| 02:18.34 | Sargun | based on what data? |
| 02:18.44 | levi | findlay: Don't worry, the rush of popularity is fleeting. |
| 02:19.17 | Sargun | findlay, We understand you want people to love you, but you have to understand those people don't want you, they want your money. |
| 02:19.28 | Sargun | Actually, they don't even want your money |
| 02:19.53 | levi | Sargun: You don't seem to know what you're talking about. |
| 02:20.04 | Sargun | They want you to show up on their insignificant page listing the people who accepted "friendship" |
| 02:20.15 | Sargun | levi, there is a lot of Spam on FB. |
| 02:20.47 | Sargun | levi, additionally, there are a lot of people who will friend you purely for your number +1 (ish) |
| 02:21.46 | levi | Sargun: And what makes you think that has anything to do with findlay's comment? |
| 02:22.33 | Sargun | He said when you show up on FB, people begin to clamor for your 'friendship' |
| 02:22.47 | Sargun | he was making a comment about the "friendly" atmosphere on FB. |
| 02:23.31 | Sargun | In the freezer. |
| 02:24.30 | levi | And you said 'based on what data?' and started talking about spam. |
| 02:24.56 | Sargun | well, the "based on what data" was a joke. |
| 02:26.52 | findlay | I know, I'll start a #utah group! and then I can enfriend everybody!! |
| 02:27.02 | findlay | more coolness for me! |
| 02:27.10 | Sargun | We have one on Orkut. |
| 02:27.25 | Tene | http://bookface.net/ |
| 02:27.30 | findlay | heh |
| 02:27.40 | Sargun | hehe |
| 02:27.49 | findlay | ~dig bookface.net |
| 02:27.54 | Tene | huh. |
| 02:28.35 | Tene | bookface.net is unregistered. |
| 02:28.55 | levi | Sounds like an opportunity! |
| 02:29.55 | findlay | I always get an image of a book and a face coming together |
| 02:30.07 | findlay | ~BOOKFACE Tene |
| 02:30.08 | ibot | ACTION slaps Tene onto his facebook friend wall |
| 02:42.56 | findlay | http://xkcd.com/456/ |
| 02:42.57 | brac | [xkcd - A webcomic of romance, sarcasm, math, and language - By Randall Munroe] |
| 02:42.59 | findlay | haha |
| 02:44.53 | findlay | Sargun: once I hit the next level will I become a +1.2? |
| 02:45.02 | Sargun | sure. |
| 02:45.14 | findlay | awesome |
| 02:45.15 | Sargun | Heh, I convinced my boss to learn Haskell. |
| 02:45.26 | findlay | bosses learn things? |
| 02:45.43 | Sargun | My boss is an ex-engineer. |
| 02:46.01 | Sargun | Not exactly a "normal" manager. |
| 02:49.29 | levi | My boss is an ex-hardware engineer. I don't think he'll ever learn haskell, but he reads lots of interesting books. |
| 02:50.46 | Sargun | levi, hardware engineers are snobby. ;-P |
| 02:58.14 | levi | What's being snobby have to do with it? |
| 02:58.22 | levi | My boss is one of the least snobby guys I know. |
| 02:59.42 | bugQ | there seems to be some contention between CS and EE at the U |
| 02:59.58 | bugQ | each thinks that the other is delusional in some way |
| 03:00.11 | bugQ | it's interesting to watch as a comp. eng. student :) |
| 03:01.45 | levi | All I can say is that hardware engineers write crap C code, and I imagine I'd probably write crap Verilog. |
| 03:02.19 | levi | (There are, of course, exceptions to that generalization) |
| 03:03.12 | bugQ | ya, to be an exception to that rule is exactly my hope |
| 03:03.32 | Sargun | Watching a hardware engineer program in high level languages is neat though |
| 03:09.22 | levi | bugQ: In my experience, their difficulty lies primarly in abstracting away from their hardware. |
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| 03:10.08 | levi | Hrm. |
| 03:12.57 | bugQ | interestingly, coding in ruby and the like has been a lot clearer now that I know more of how those languages interact with the hardware |
| 03:13.12 | bugQ | please excuse this neophyte if that has nothing to do with your comment |
| 03:14.33 | bugQ | (levi) |
| 03:16.12 | levi | Well, as a computer engineer, you're definitely coming at this from a different perspective than the EE guys I'm referring to. |
| 03:16.19 | bugQ | :) |
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| 03:39.51 | tripzero | anyone know how how I can get the name of the product of `make dist` from the cli ? |
| 03:57.26 | levi | tripzero: Could you describe what you want to do in more detail? |
| 03:59.08 | tripzero | configure.in has a package name and version that you specify. When you run "make dist" automake creates a tarball of that pacakage+version. I want to know if there is a simple command I can run that will return that version... |
| 03:59.52 | tripzero | clarification: within configure.in, there is a place where you can specify package and... |
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| 04:19.31 | levi | Man, what's up with my connection? |
| 04:21.28 | levi | tripzero: So you want a command that will pull the version out of config.in? |
| 04:22.25 | tripzero | yes, I could pull it out of the file directly, but I was hoping there were an easier way... |
| 04:23.04 | levi | Does the version exist anywhere other than the file? |
| 04:24.34 | tripzero | when i run make dist it exists in the filename |
| 04:25.29 | tripzero | other than that, i don't know |
| 04:25.44 | tripzero | maybe i'm barking up the wrong tree and I should do it a simpler way.... |
| 04:25.46 | findlay | can't concentrat tonight |
| 04:27.15 | findlay | levi: are you occupied right now |
| 04:27.18 | findlay | ? |
| 04:28.24 | levi | findlay: Not aside from trying to help tripzero and looking at a very unfortunate picture of an orangutan. |
| 04:28.34 | findlay | heh |
| 04:29.29 | findlay | levi: I was thinking about something today, and wrote it down, but unfortunately don't know who to argue about it with. http://jfindlay.us/math |
| 04:29.38 | findlay | you can read that if you want |
| 04:31.30 | levi | tripzero: You might want to see what the 'make dist' rule does and how it figures out the version. I imagine it's a variable encoded in the Makefile by the autoconf process. |
| 04:32.16 | levi | findlay: Wouldn't that be typically referred to as a 'Platonic' sense? |
| 04:32.33 | findlay | I guess you're right |
| 04:34.05 | levi | Plato and Socrates were good buds and all, but that idea is typically given to Plato. |
| 04:35.04 | levi | 'Socratic' generally refers to the method of teaching by asking questions. |
| 04:38.51 | levi | Do you have a reference to Alain Connes seeming to think that mathematical truth is infinite? |
| 04:39.08 | levi | I'm not entirely sure what it means for mathematical truth to be infinite as opposed to finite. |
| 04:42.51 | levi | Furthermore, I think you overstate the relation of the Platonic ideal to our universe. |
| 04:43.53 | levi | The Platonic concept of a line, for example, is infinite. But examples of line-like things in our universe are not. |
| 04:45.37 | levi | A Platonic line is composed of an infinite and continuous string of points, whereas our universe appears to be discrete in nature. |
| 04:47.08 | levi | findlay: Dude, you can't ask me to argue with you and then go away! |
| 04:49.47 | levi | And, it seems to me, that if your formal system incorporates the idea of infinite quantities, then if you consider any statement that can be proven within the system as a truth, it follows that there may be an infinite number of true statements in the system. |
| 04:49.58 | levi | Though that may not be what you mean by 'infinite truth'. |
| 04:54.46 | levi | OK, too late, I'm going to bed. :) |
| 04:56.37 | findlay | levi: just a a minute, I'm arguing it wit an incredibly pretty girl right now |
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| 04:58.59 | goozbach | just found out I'm the target of a SQL injection attack |
| 04:59.26 | goozbach | so I tried to replicate it so I could see if it was causing any leakage, or just bringing the servers down. |
| 04:59.38 | goozbach | good news is that it's not a breach. just a pain in the ass |
| 05:00.07 | goozbach | anyway, I start doing forensics and looking for the IP address of the client that's doing this, so I can block it. |
| 05:01.00 | goozbach | can't find it, all of my proxying has broken logging somehow |
| 05:01.18 | goozbach | so I look on a different server in the off chance this attacker has gone to other pages... |
| 05:01.25 | goozbach | I find one line! |
| 05:01.32 | goozbach | and look! there's an IP address |
| 05:01.36 | goozbach | ... |
| 05:01.47 | goozbach | turns out that one line is me |
| 05:01.55 | goozbach | replicating the attack. |
| 05:01.57 | goozbach | :( |
| 05:02.10 | tensai | would ngrep help? |
| 05:02.58 | goozbach | the attacker is long gone |
| 05:03.09 | goozbach | and the damn logs didn't get the IP address |
| 05:03.17 | goozbach | just the address of my NAT'ed proxy |
| 05:03.21 | goozbach | grrr! |
| 05:04.14 | tensai | I'm sure fozzmoo will try it again |
| 05:05.16 | goozbach | fozzmoo know's I'll smack him |
| 05:09.50 | Sargun | goozbach, haha. |
| 05:09.58 | Sargun | I'm sorry. |
| 05:10.09 | Sargun | must have been fun reporting yourself to your ISP |
| 05:28.45 | tensai | that sorta happened to me today. big network user called in to report really slow speeds. turns out he just deployed a new antivirus client that was using all his bandwidth. |
| 05:29.27 | Sargun | Hahaha. |
| 05:30.12 | goozbach | k, I want to go back to bed. so if it's you guys doing this SQL injection attack, please stop until tomorrow. |
| 05:30.37 | Sargun | goozbach, please give us URL, and specific input data so we know WHICH SQL injection attack it is. |
| 05:31.03 | Sargun | The china team finally ran the app that they've been working on, and they complained it was slow... We said, "yeah, haven't you ever ran the thing before?" |
| 05:34.50 | goozbach | Sargun: it's a url with a website I run, and the uri has UNION SELECT in the parameters |
| 05:36.40 | Sargun | goozbach, IPs really aren't useful anymore |
| 05:36.54 | Sargun | its fairly easy to get a nearly anonymous IP these days |
| 05:37.03 | Sargun | as long as you don't care too much about bandwidth |
| 05:37.09 | Sargun | and/or latency |
| 05:38.38 | goozbach | All I want the ip address for is to block it |
| 05:39.06 | goozbach | so *THAT* ip can't cause me greif again |
| 05:39.10 | goozbach | well back to bed |
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| 07:12.31 | findlay | goozbach: try 127.0.0.1 |
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| 14:12.58 | ^Migs^ | whotf sends screenshots in RTF format? I asked one of our developers for some screenshots and he sends them as RTFs |
| 14:13.14 | ^Migs^ | you'd think an IT professional would know better. |
| 14:15.42 | Sargun_screen | When the guy accross you has an obvious atheros card flashing in an odd fashion when his laptop even has a built in ipw, you DO NOT go use the interwabs |
| 14:18.06 | jsmith | Sargun_screen: And you notice there's a new AP available called "Free Public WiFi"? |
| 14:18.35 | Sargun_screen | jsmith: On the train I create an essid named "Obama 2008" |
| 14:18.36 | Sargun_screen | hehe. |
| 14:18.48 | Sargun_screen | Sometimes I do "Free AT&T WiFi" |
| 14:26.16 | Sargun_screen | "Just for fun" |
| 14:30.41 | Sargun_screen | ^Migs^: Real men of course. |
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| 14:38.21 | gshipley | Bigfoot has been captured !!!!1111!!111!!!one!11! |
| 14:38.23 | gshipley | http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,402882,00.html |
| 14:43.51 | ^Migs^ | http://www.subtire.com/i.php?n=undercover.jpg |
| 14:43.52 | brac | [DEBME (-:] |
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| 15:56.56 | ^Migs^ | Classroom 2.0 Workshop going on right now in SLC: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/theeducationalmac |
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| 16:08.15 | findlay | levi: yes, an infinite number of true statements, but they can be treated in a compactified way. An infinite variety in mathematical truth means that there are an infinite number of statements, each of which is invariant |
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| 16:14.22 | findlay | levi: I think it has vaguely to do with the uncountable axiom of choice |
| 16:15.33 | elg | i prefer the uncountable axiom of sardines |
| 16:16.53 | findlay | ooh |
| 16:18.23 | jbellis | anyone know vmware server? i'm trying to create a VM bound to one of my 3 IPs (on a single NIC) but I'm getting [2008-08-13 03:02:01.466 'NetworkProvider' 3074643648 info] Unable to find interface eth0:247 bridged to vswitch vmnet0 |
| 16:18.39 | jbellis | eth0:247 is a perfectly valid interface according to ifconfig |
| 16:19.03 | Supaplex | jbellis: bridge it to eth0. :247 is a logical binding. |
| 16:20.01 | jbellis | Supaplex: how do i specify which IP? |
| 16:20.18 | Supaplex | configure the guest to use that ip |
| 16:20.18 | levi | findlay: Well, I recall that I once knew what the axiom of choice was, but that has since been dumped from short-term recall. |
| 16:20.36 | Supaplex | you don't need to configure it on the host. the bridge will hand it through |
| 16:20.54 | jbellis | Supaplex: great, thanks! |
| 16:21.20 | Supaplex | np =) |
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| 16:26.11 | Tene | What's the moral difference between blood doping and training at high altitude? |
| 16:27.20 | tvc123 | Tene: the same as having a trophy made at a shop for you or winning a race |
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| 16:34.30 | elg | what about training in a oxygen-controlled room? |
| 16:34.42 | elg | more or less effective than high altitude? |
| 16:35.20 | elg | what about eating wheaties instead of cocoa puffs? |
| 16:35.31 | elg | what's the difference between wheaties and doping? |
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| 16:41.11 | levi | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/08/13/funny-pictures-do-u-go-right-into-da-dining-room-2-feed-the-kittehchoose-wisely/ |
| 16:42.37 | levi | Tene: Training at high altitude requires work, and makes your body change itself. Blood doping doesn't require any work, just some needles. |
| 16:43.20 | elg | well, most forms of doping just enhance your bodies ability to train harder and recover quicker. you still have to train. but yeah |
| 16:44.18 | levi | elg: Blood doping, specifically, is sucking out a bunch of your blood, letting your body rebuild its reserves, then putting your blood back in right before the contest, so you have extra oxygen carrying capacity. |
| 16:45.01 | elg | interesting. i hadn't heard of that one. i guess i'm not up on all the "doping" terms |
| 16:45.08 | elg | i thought doping was a generic ter |
| 16:45.08 | elg | m |
| 16:45.31 | levi | elg: Whereas with high-altitude or low-oxygen room training, you have to suffer through the actual effects of low oxygen until your body naturally adapts its oxygen-carrying capacity. |
| 16:46.34 | levi | The nice thing about blood doping, from a performance-enhancing perspective, is that it involves no artificial substances. So, it's very hard to catch you doing it. |
| 16:47.33 | levi | A blood test just shows a high platelet count, which is also the result of low-oxygen or high-altitude training. |
| 16:48.36 | sjansen | What does everyone like for backing up their Linux systems? |
| 16:48.56 | elg | what kind of systems? |
| 16:49.06 | levi | cp |
| 16:49.15 | sjansen | Servers and enterprise desktops. |
| 16:49.16 | elg | boring servers just set up an rsync script and be done with it |
| 16:49.19 | elg | desktops are more interesting |
| 16:49.37 | goozbach | sjansen: lvm snapshots + dump + bzip2 + usb hard drive for my personal laptop |
| 16:49.44 | elg | i've been using backuppc for my laptop, and although my laptop is osx the principle is the same for linux or windows |
| 16:49.46 | elg | it works ok |
| 16:49.50 | goozbach | I'm building a Zmanda server now for enterprise servers |
| 16:50.00 | elg | easy to set up and administer, email warnings if you don't have recent backups or something goes wrong |
| 16:50.02 | goozbach | with a big LTO-4 library system |
| 16:50.33 | goozbach | our backup system is only going to cost $13k |
| 16:50.48 | sjansen | goozbach: Can Zmanda backup more than MySQL? |
| 16:50.52 | Sargun | goozbach, Interesting. |
| 16:50.56 | Sargun | How much storage? |
| 16:51.10 | levi | http://www.istartedsomething.com/20080814/uni-washington-microsoft-research-yet-another-mindblowing-3d-photo-viewer/ |
| 16:51.44 | goozbach | sjansen: yup, if you purchase the windows clients and MSSQL clients |
| 16:53.03 | harleypig | anyone familiar with ext.js and willing to give me some pointers? |
| 16:53.24 | goozbach | Sargun: I think that that includes the server, autoloader library, and 100- 400/800 LTO tapes |
| 16:53.37 | goozbach | so 4-8TB of tape storage |
| 16:59.19 | elg | levi: didn't i see something similar from google a year or two back, or was that them too? |
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| 17:07.06 | Tene | levi: so is it the suffering that changes something? |
| 17:08.16 | levi | Tene: Inasmuch as suffering is an integral part of natural training, I suppose so. |
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| 17:08.48 | levi | You could say 'having to work' instead of 'suffering', but it amounts to the same thing with athletic training. :) |
| 17:11.04 | levi | The whole point of athletic contest is that it's hard to train your body and mind to extent necessary to be the best. |
| 17:11.41 | levi | By forcing yourself to go through difficult, uncomfortable training, your body adapts and becomes better at the specific activity. |
| 17:12.47 | levi | Blood doping falls outside of that paradigm, since it produces an effect of training *without* the actual training. |
| 17:13.47 | elg | i thought the whole point was to sell coke |
| 17:14.04 | elg | and do heart-wrenching athlete profiles |
| 17:14.06 | tensai | I heard that michael phelps eats 8,000-10,000 calories a day |
| 17:14.24 | Jayce^ | 12k |
| 17:14.27 | harleypig | I heard 12000 on the radio this morning |
| 17:14.27 | tensai | elg: you're more right than you want to know |
| 17:14.36 | levi | Well, maybe it is now, but in that case the whole ethics thing is rather moot, and the only thing that matters is keeping the playing field somewhat level to make it more entertaining. |
| 17:14.44 | tensai | no, I heard 8-10k on the Internet and the Internet is never wrong |
| 17:15.15 | harleypig | You listen to teh intertubes? |
| 17:15.18 | harleypig | how's that sound? |
| 17:15.32 | Sargun | goozbach, Are you compressing? |
| 17:15.49 | tensai | harleypig: http://falcon.fugal.net/~fugalh/hearnet/ |
| 17:15.51 | goozbach | Sargun: haven't gotten the thing setup yet |
| 17:15.52 | levi | I can imagine needing that many calories to support intensive swim training. |
| 17:16.02 | goozbach | just have a quote, haven't even ordered it yet |
| 17:16.21 | goozbach | heads out to get taqueria del sol! |
| 17:16.23 | goozbach | tasty tacos! |
| 17:16.31 | levi | If you run a car on a racetrack, you'll use more gas than you ever thought possible, too. |
| 17:18.25 | levi | WTF? ActiveState Perl installed itself to my recovery partition instead of C: |
| 17:19.42 | harleypig | tensai: wow ... that's really ... cool... |
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| 17:20.12 | Supaplex | strawberry > activestate |
| 17:20.25 | Sargun | levi, And if you're racing Priuses? |
| 17:21.06 | levi | Sargun: Any car will use significantly more gas racing than it will driving to work. |
| 17:21.13 | tensai | Sargun: they pat you on the head and say "there, there. that's a cute little car". |
| 17:21.15 | levi | So long as you're trying to race competitively, anyway. |
| 17:21.41 | Sargun | I know its possible to use more gas on the way to work. |
| 17:21.49 | Sargun | er, than on the way |
| 17:22.27 | levi | Sargun: Ever driven a car with one of those instantaneous mileage readouts? |
| 17:22.38 | Sargun | you mean mpg? |
| 17:22.42 | levi | Yes. |
| 17:22.46 | Sargun | Yeah, my car has that. |
| 17:22.57 | levi | So, what's it go to when you floor it from a near-stop? |
| 17:23.05 | Sargun | about 3? |
| 17:23.09 | Sargun | 3 MPG. |
| 17:23.58 | levi | OK, so imagine that you alternate between flooring it and braking hard for a couple of hours. |
| 17:24.00 | Sargun | Of course until my engine screams, and gas gets temporarily cut because I redline. |
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| 17:24.22 | Sargun | levi, In a Prius it wouldn't fluctuate considerable |
| 17:24.29 | Sargun | s/ble/bly/ |
| 17:25.43 | levi | Well, possibly. I'm not familiar with how a Prius would behave under race conditions. |
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| 17:28.06 | dataw0lf | heh. |
| 17:28.21 | Sargun | you should rent one and take it to the track. |
| 17:28.47 | Supaplex | &.& |
| 17:29.09 | Tene | http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/01/science/01muscle.html?scp=1&sq=Ronald Evans Nicholas Wade&st=cse -- interesting |
| 17:29.17 | brac | [Couch Mouse to Mr. Mighty by Pills Alone - NYTimes.com] |
| 17:30.53 | Sargun | Supaplex, %.% |
| 17:34.12 | levi | Sargun: Apparently, fuel consumption does drop precipitously in the Prius when you floor it: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/driving/used_car_reviews/article3552994.ece |
| 17:34.59 | Tene | yes, but the idea with the prius is that energy from braking is used to charge the battery, and the battery is used to help the engine, oslt. |
| 17:35.21 | Tene | So it should still be lower in some cases, depending on exactly what the electric engine is used for in which circumstances. |
| 17:35.24 | levi | Tene: That hardly matters when you're on a racetrack and you've got the darned slow thing floored all the time. |
| 17:35.41 | Tene | nods. |
| 17:36.26 | Supaplex | let's add a boat trailer just to make it fun |
| 17:36.57 | levi | So, if you're used to getting something like 60mpg on your commute, you'll be getting something like 10mpg on the racetrack, and "you'll use more gas than you thought possible." |
| 17:37.15 | levi | Which was my original statement. |
| 17:38.37 | levi | This was in comparison with an olympic athlete consuming huge numbers of calories. |
| 17:38.39 | elg | having driven a 5 gpm ford truck previously, "more than i thought possible" would probably have to be negative mpg |
| 17:39.04 | levi | Well, more than you thought possible for your particular vehicle. |
| 17:39.28 | levi | When you're used to getting 30mpg, and suddenly you run through a whole tank at 5mpg... |
| 17:41.50 | levi | WTF, it put it in E: again despite my instruction to use C: |
| 17:45.44 | Tene | which perl? |
| 17:45.56 | Tene | activestate, cygwin, strawberry? |
| 17:50.12 | levi | Activestate |
| 17:50.19 | levi | I finally got it to install in the right place. |
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| 17:56.28 | Supaplex | ~lart Activestate |
| 17:56.28 | ibot | squeezes Activestate till Activestate turns blue like papa smurf |
| 17:57.18 | levi | I need to figure out which of my network mappings is causing all accesses to the 'My Computer' folder to hang. :P |
| 17:57.28 | levi | Ahh, the joys of Windows. |
| 17:57.33 | levi | Time to reboot it again. |
| 18:01.05 | dataw0lf | hehe. |
| 18:01.10 | dataw0lf | poor levi. |
| 18:07.18 | tristanbob_ | is there another way to make an interface re-ARP, other than ifdown, ifup? |
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| 18:08.52 | elg | Jayce^: have you seen that commercial where a guy uses a paintball gun to paint his living room? |
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| 18:10.27 | Jayce^ | elg, yeah |
| 18:11.37 | elg | ever try it? |
| 18:12.11 | Jayce^ | on abandoned buildings, we were using as cover (or the other side was) :) |
| 18:12.33 | findlay | ~paint Jayce^'s living room |
| 18:12.33 | ibot | ACTION rains a tape stream of paintballs on Jayce^'s living room |
| 18:13.03 | Jayce^ | stuff like http://halls.lug-nut.com/gallery/friends/Paintball/GhostTown/dsc00870.jpg |
| 18:13.06 | brac | [Viewing /gallery/friends/Paintball/GhostTown/dsc00870.jpg at 1024 x 768] |
| 18:13.17 | Jayce^ | http://halls.lug-nut.com/gallery/friends/Paintball/GhostTown/dsc00871.jpg?width=1024 |
| 18:13.17 | brac | [Viewing /gallery/friends/Paintball/GhostTown/dsc00871.jpg at 1024 x 768] |
| 18:17.11 | levi | WTF, answering machine message spam from Payless Shoes. :P |
| 18:18.13 | Jayce^ | of course, it's not always buildings... http://halls.lug-nut.com/gallery/friends/Paintball/DesertEdge/Green%20River%2C%20April%2006/SpecOps/IMG_8171.jpg |
| 18:18.18 | brac | [Viewing /gallery/friends/Paintball/DesertEdge/Green River, April 06/SpecOps/IMG_8171.jpg at 1024 x 682] |
| 18:18.41 | Jayce^ | ~poke neybar some good old memories there 'eh? |
| 18:18.42 | ibot | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind neybar some good old memories there 'eh, pokes neybar some good old memories there 'eh repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 18:23.24 | sjansen | In you opinion, what's the best day for full backups compared to incremental backups? Why? |
| 18:24.39 | jsmith | sjansen: Use rolling backups like rdiff-backup does, and don't worry about fulls and incrementals |
| 18:24.45 | jsmith | ducks and hides |
| 18:31.54 | goozbach | look at these two clowns: http://halls.lug-nut.com/gallery/friends/Paintball/DesertEdge/Green River%2C April 06/SpecOps/IMG_8277.jpg?width=1024 |
| 18:32.54 | Jayce^ | two? :) |
| 18:35.56 | tensai | the best day to do backups is the day before you need them |
| 18:36.12 | tensai | it's just a waste to do them on other days |
| 18:40.16 | jsmith | tensai: Hence the reason that with rdiff-backup, yesterday is always the *full* backup, and every day before that is an incremental off of that |
| 18:54.03 | findlay | wrote a custom script that uses rsync and hardlinks |
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| 19:01.09 | nick125 | http://consumerist.com/5036954/target-has-79+year+old-taken-in-for-mental-evaluation-after-she-demanded-cash-refund |
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| 19:07.42 | ^Migs^ | oh dear, one of our math teachers: http://blog.weber.k12.ut.us/bacaldwell |
| 19:07.53 | ^Migs^ | "This year you will learn what algerbra [sic] is" |
| 19:08.11 | ^Migs^ | and all over he has links ot "Algerbra Help" and "Algerbra Calculators" etc. |
| 19:08.14 | ^Migs^ | *to |
| 19:18.51 | levi | Whee, Algerbra! |
| 19:19.15 | levi | Why Teachers Shouldn't Blog |
| 19:22.49 | ^Migs^ | at least he doesn't teach English |
| 19:22.57 | ^Migs^ | I had an English professor who routinely misspelled words. |
| 19:23.20 | ^Migs^ | either nobody else in class could spell either, or didn't have the heart to point out her mistakes |
| 19:24.03 | elg | algerbric :) |
| 19:24.48 | goozbach | I wanna go play ghost town! |
| 19:24.51 | unum | we should rename it anyways. keeping it's current name just supports the terrorists! |
| 19:24.53 | ^Migs^ | leads right into kalculus |
| 19:25.31 | unum | let's call it Freedom Math! |
| 19:26.35 | levi | kkkalculus. It's racist math. |
| 19:26.48 | JoshH | my comment about the spelling mistake is awaiting moderation |
| 19:27.08 | unum | I'd fix the mistake and delete the comment :) |
| 19:27.26 | ^Migs^ | pfahaha |
| 19:27.28 | harleypig | ^Migs^: My mom taught junior high and high school english ... she can't spell worth a darn |
| 19:27.31 | JoshH | me too |
| 19:27.31 | ^Migs^ | what did you say? |
| 19:27.42 | harleypig | She'd give points for the first student who caught a mis-spelling. |
| 19:27.49 | ^Migs^ | niiice |
| 19:27.51 | JoshH | "You spelled algebra wrong everywhere. It's NOT algerbra. :)" |
| 19:27.54 | ^Migs^ | see, at least she recognized her flaws |
| 19:28.10 | harleypig | heh |
| 19:28.11 | ^Migs^ | that'll probably ruin the entire school year for him now. |
| 19:28.31 | harleypig | algernon? |
| 19:28.35 | ^Migs^ | most of our teachers are just learning about blogs for the first time. This will DEVASTATE him. |
| 19:29.20 | JoshH | he also wrote "condcpts", but that's an honest typo |
| 19:29.47 | ^Migs^ | make sure you point that out too, haha |
| 19:30.35 | ^Migs^ | I had a conversation with one of our teachers today about whether our "Latest Blog Posts" page was good or bad. She didn't like the fact that everything she blogged shows up on the district site. Yet she's posting on a public blog. Didn't make much sense to me. |
| 19:30.56 | ^Migs^ | Then I started evangelizing how awesome the Latest Blog Posts page was and she finally said she agreed with me. I think she just wanted me to shut up. :) |
| 19:31.14 | elg | rlly? |
| 19:31.35 | ^Migs^ | I think our teachers don't fully realize just how "public" ANYTHING on the Internet is. |
| 19:31.58 | elg | you should google each of them and give them each a report of their goings on in the past decade |
| 19:33.02 | unum | I've noticed the same thing. people seem to think that if they don't know how to find it without a direct link no one does |
| 19:33.36 | unum | kind of like how our IT manager thinks since the filter prevents him from seeing dirty pictures it prevents the rest of us too |
| 19:33.59 | Tene | http://algerbra.com/ |
| 19:34.25 | Tene | Dirty pictures? Hey, I've got some dirt on my jpeg. Anyone have some jpeg solvent? |
| 19:34.26 | unum | people do that a lot.... |
| 19:34.35 | JoshH | laypersons are stupid about the internet, more news at 11 |
| 19:35.05 | unum | wasn't there a typo.com that used to buy a lot of domains that were close to other domains |
| 19:35.13 | findlay | I'm sure I'm stupid about something |
| 19:35.17 | findlay | thinks |
| 19:35.26 | JoshH | women? |
| 19:35.28 | unum | I'm aparantly stupid about dating.... |
| 19:35.32 | findlay | hm, maybe there isn't anything I couldn't pass as a genius for |
| 19:35.41 | findlay | oh well, I tried |
| 19:36.02 | JoshH | this might be helpful: http://people.howstuffworks.com/women.htm |
| 19:36.18 | unum | on tuesday a woman tried to tell me women were simple, I gave her a few stories to "explain simply" |
| 19:36.44 | unum | I'd never date a woman that thought women were simple, because not only is she complicated she's in denial |
| 19:37.23 | unum | the last girl I dated wasn't so complicated, but most are crazy |
| 19:37.57 | findlay | I'll just wait until lots of the major issues are resolved before women-2.0 |
| 19:37.59 | harleypig | men are like dogs, women are like cats. |
| 19:38.07 | JoshH | ya, i think it's more a matter of being crazy rather than complicated |
| 19:38.10 | harleypig | a dog'll love you no matter how badly you beat it. |
| 19:38.20 | harleypig | a cat'll destroy your furniture just to sharpen its claws. |
| 19:38.53 | Tene | I've met plenty of women with significant issues. |
| 19:38.59 | Tene | I've met plenty of men with significant issues. |
| 19:39.11 | findlay | I've met Tenes with issues |
| 19:39.12 | harleypig | most men's significant issues are women. |
| 19:39.17 | findlay | of Linux Journal |
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| 19:39.53 | Tene | findlay: I don't have any copies of Linux Journal. |
| 19:40.10 | harleypig | Tene: then you're not one of the Tenes he's met. |
| 19:40.19 | findlay | Tene: are you in denial of your insanity> |
| 19:40.24 | findlay | s/>/?/ |
| 19:40.26 | Tene | findlay: you're seeing other me's? |
| 19:40.31 | JoshH | i can honestly say that every problem in my life would be solved if i had a lot of money and women were simpler and less crazy |
| 19:40.33 | findlay | oops |
| 19:40.39 | findlay | I tried to keep it a secret |
| 19:41.05 | harleypig | JoshH: The more money you have the more simple women become. |
| 19:41.07 | Tene | I've met plenty of crazy women. I just avoid them, just like I avoid crazy men. |
| 19:41.13 | JoshH | that is true |
| 19:41.25 | unum | I've met a lot more crazy women then men |
| 19:41.30 | Tene | If someone refuses to treat me reasonably, I have no interest dealing with that person. |
| 19:41.35 | findlay | and in spite of all of that, Tene has proved unsuccessful so far in shaking me |
| 19:41.41 | Tene | That rule applies to people regardless of gender. |
| 19:41.44 | unum | and it's generally far more apparant when a guy is a crazy |
| 19:41.53 | JoshH | you can't tell how crazy someone is when you first meet them, but when you are in a relationship with a woman, you really learn how nutty they can be |
| 19:41.57 | harleypig | The tutu doesn't give it away? |
| 19:42.16 | unum | JoshH: there may be some truth to that |
| 19:42.47 | Tene | Look at how your male friends treat you compared to how they treat people they date. |
| 19:42.57 | JoshH | http://www.anetek.com/images/Men vs Women.jpg |
| 19:43.44 | unum | well they never try to get me to have sex with them.... |
| 19:43.44 | harleypig | JoshH: You ever read Battlefield Earth? |
| 19:43.58 | JoshH | nope |
| 19:44.17 | harleypig | The invaders use fake consoles, so even if you think you're pushing the right buttons, it doesn't really matter ... |
| 19:44.28 | harleypig | The real controls are hidden. |
| 19:44.47 | harleypig | And if you press the wrong buttons in the wrong order the control panel blows up. |
| 19:45.01 | harleypig | Sounds like a good match to me. :> |
| 19:45.19 | Tene | See what I mean about men who have issues with women? |
| 19:45.33 | harleypig | You talkin' 'bout me, Tene? |
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| 19:45.38 | Tene | If someone treated me like that, I'd certainly respond insanely too. |
| 19:45.45 | harleypig | :] |
| 19:45.52 | JoshH | Tene: are you married, or in a long term relationship? |
| 19:45.58 | Tene | JoshH: Yes. |
| 19:46.11 | JoshH | do you think you or your partner is the "crazier" one? |
| 19:46.21 | JoshH | and more complicated |
| 19:46.27 | harleypig | and or or? |
| 19:46.38 | JoshH | and |
| 19:46.51 | Tene | Eh, we're probably about equal most of the time. |
| 19:47.57 | Tene | She's been off and on various psych meds for a while, and some of them left her pretty moody and irritable while adjusting, but I don't think that counts for what you're asking about. |
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| 19:48.22 | harleypig | Only if she realizes she needs to take those meds ... |
| 20:01.02 | Tene | http://www.hannahmontanacalls.com/ |
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| 20:02.20 | harleypig | http://cakewrecks.blogspot.com/2008/08/this-calls-for-celebration.html |
| 20:04.19 | findlay | ~tene girls |
| 20:04.19 | ibot | ACTION h4x0rz girls onto parrot |
| 20:05.10 | levi | http://www.ayahbdeir.com/littleBits/ |
| 20:05.12 | brac | [littleBits] |
| 20:05.37 | Tene | http://www.kswt.com/Global/story.asp?S=8808637 |
| 20:08.54 | findlay | http://www.google.com/ |
| 20:09.15 | levi | findlay: Wow, that site is so cool! |
| 20:09.44 | findlay | levi: yeah they even have olympics pictures on it! |
| 20:12.49 | Jayce^ | gopher://gopher.floodgap.com/1/new |
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| 20:13.48 | levi | Jayce^: Truly, that is the future of the internet! |
| 20:13.55 | findlay | haha |
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| 20:25.43 | levi | Heh, according to Bruce Eckel, the future of the internet lies in ways to filter out stupidity. |
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| 20:27.24 | findlay | heh |
| 20:27.51 | findlay | levi: what does he mean by that? |
| 20:28.38 | findlay | and that there are an infinite number of primes |
| 20:32.06 | Sargun | There are an infinite number of idiots |
| 20:33.29 | levi | Well, first there was the internet, and you could send stuff to one another. |
| 20:33.44 | levi | Then, you could put up web pages, but you had to know where to look to find them. |
| 20:33.53 | levi | You found good ones via word-of-mouth. |
| 20:33.58 | levi | Then, there was searching. |
| 20:34.11 | levi | Now, searching is starting to break down due to the sheer volume of crap. |
| 20:34.42 | levi | So, the dawn of the next age of the internet will occur when tools for filtering the crap arrive. |
| 20:34.46 | levi | Or something like that. |
| 20:36.37 | harleypig | the dawn of the next age will come when a RealDoll can be hooked up to teh intertubes ... |
| 20:42.08 | Sargun | one man's crap is another man's interest. |
| 20:45.16 | unum | Sargun: I really don't want to hear about your crap fetish :) |
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| 21:08.50 | levi | For the facebookers: http://www.mcsweeneys.net/2008/7/30schmelling.html |
| 21:08.54 | brac | [McSweeney's Internet Tendency: Hamlet (Facebook News Feed Edition).] |
| 21:27.26 | bugQ | found a pair of phones buried in my dad's storage, with pretty good sound quality :D |
| 21:30.10 | findlay | nice |
| 22:01.32 | levi | I'm listening to awesome headphones right now. |
| 22:02.31 | levi | I'm listening to Radiohead on the headphones. |
| 22:44.47 | maquis | levi: what headphones? |
| 22:48.52 | tensai | skullcandy I bet |
| 23:00.20 | fozzmoo | Or Harman Kardon studio monitors. |
| 23:00.38 | fozzmoo | Big fat honkin headphones. |
| 23:00.45 | fozzmoo | Bigger than your head, headphones. |
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