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| 00:37.56 | findlay | ~read Supaplex |
| 00:38.15 | findlay | -chat ËuÊop Çpısdn |
| 00:38.16 | brac | ËuÊop Çpısdn sı ɹoÊıuoɯ Êɯ ¡dlÇÉ¥ |
| 00:38.20 | findlay | aww |
| 00:38.42 | findlay | ~help brac |
| 00:40.14 | findlay | -figlet ¡ıɥ |
| 00:43.31 | levi | Ugh, I don't feel well. |
| 00:44.31 | Sargun_screen | Ah, GPRS is''t so bad |
| 00:44.53 | Sargun_screen | isn't |
| 00:44.53 | Sargun_screen | . |
| 00:44.53 | Sargun_screen | :-D |
| 00:44.54 | Sargun_screen | Yay, So fast! |
| 00:46.13 | Sargun_screen | :-P |
| 00:46.22 | Sargun_screen | Please shoot me. |
| 00:46.38 | findlay | ~kill Sargun_screen |
| 00:46.38 | ibot | ACTION shoots a hyper-charged pseudoquark gun at Sargun_screen |
| 01:08.29 | herlo | goozbach: ping |
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| 01:11.10 | Sargun_screen | my OpenMoko loves to be used as a tethered device |
| 01:12.45 | Sargun_screen | "tethered" |
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| 01:15.54 | findlay | you should name it Napoleon |
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| 01:22.40 | herlo | goozbach: nm |
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| 01:25.02 | Sargun_screen | hehe |
| 01:25.07 | Sargun_screen | findlay: I should kill you. |
| 01:25.11 | Sargun_screen | :-P |
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| 01:57.41 | levi | http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/matthias/essays/not-matter.html |
| 01:57.42 | brac | [1 Why Computer Science Doesn't Matter] |
| 02:10.38 | levi | Hey, beach volleyball. |
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| 02:43.48 | levi | Man, org-mode is awesome. |
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| 03:19.29 | Sargun | Is OE down? |
| 03:19.31 | Sargun | err |
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| 03:48.06 | encryptz | http://www.youtube.com/user/EdricKilimann |
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| 04:32.35 | findlay | ~kill me |
| 04:32.35 | ibot | ACTION shoots a super-inverse pseudophoton gun at findlay |
| 04:37.37 | Supaplex | -excuse |
| 04:37.37 | brac | The monitor needs another box of pixels. |
| 05:00.02 | findlay | yay, lite brite |
| 05:02.05 | findlay | -chat |
| 05:02.07 | brac | display: inline; <-- will work in this exact order): |
| 05:02.32 | findlay | -chat work |
| 05:02.32 | brac | work was already enough evidence to support yet |
| 05:02.39 | findlay | ~work |
| 05:02.40 | ibot | work is, like, the integral of the dot product of force and displacement |
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| 06:32.57 | hjp_gone_home | anyone have a copy of the irssi docs? the irssi site seems to be down. |
| 06:42.23 | hjp_gone_home | damn ... it's just my connection |
| 06:44.20 | high_roller | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:46.23 | Sargun | Nokia :-(( |
| 06:47.00 | hjp_gone_home | high_roller: I'm looking for the perl docs for irssi |
| 06:47.07 | high_roller | ah ok |
| 06:47.10 | high_roller | :) |
| 06:50.23 | findlay | -chat ɹoÊıuoɯ ɹnoÊ |
| 06:50.23 | brac | ɹoÊıuoɯ ɹnoÊ 'sÄ±É¥Ê pÉÇɹ uÉÉ noÊ Éı |
| 06:56.20 | findlay | ~Supaplex yesterday |
| 07:08.08 | hjp_gone_home | goozbach: you listening? |
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| 07:25.42 | hjp_gone_home | woah ... just finished watching diary of the dead ... as good as, or maybe even better than Night of the Living Dead... |
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| 12:41.17 | goozbach | hjp_gone_home: I'm here |
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| 13:51.10 | jsmith | Wow... NewEgg has a steal on hard drives today... Seagate 320GB SATA 3.0 (7200RPM, 16MB cache, perpendicular goodness) for $49 + free shipping |
| 14:13.50 | ^Migs^ | wow |
| 14:15.16 | goozbach | lets see 320*4 = 1TB ... |
| 14:15.40 | ^Migs^ | sets mode +math goozbach |
| 14:15.44 | jsmith | goozbach: Yup... $200 a TB (and change) ain't bad |
| 14:17.29 | goozbach | openfiler++ |
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| 15:31.15 | Keighvin | ~whalebomb redbeard2 |
| 15:31.16 | ibot | ACTION throws an explosive whale named Gunter at redbeard2 and hides. |
| 15:43.04 | hjp_gone_home | goozbach: Was just curious why you used a tmp variable in your set_user and set_pass subroutines in the twitter-irssi script. |
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| 15:49.42 | Keighvin | makes an announcement. |
| 15:49.46 | Keighvin | Moving to Seattle. |
| 15:49.54 | Keighvin | stops making an announcement. |
| 15:51.19 | high_roller | buy a good rain coat |
| 15:53.16 | Keighvin | I was thinking of a combat umbrella. |
| 15:54.55 | redbeard2 | ~sock Keighvin |
| 15:55.21 | redbeard2 | ~winsock kevin |
| 15:55.21 | redbeard2 | ~winsock Keighvin |
| 15:55.23 | redbeard2 | better |
| 15:56.05 | Keighvin | But it still hasn't done anything. |
| 15:57.50 | redbeard2 | ~Keighvin Keighvin |
| 15:57.50 | ibot | ACTION tidies up Keighvin's code base |
| 15:57.59 | redbeard2 | i don't like that one |
| 15:58.02 | redbeard2 | ~migs Keighvin |
| 15:58.04 | ibot | ACTION forces Keighvin to learn perl from ^Migs^ |
| 15:59.34 | redbeard2 | ~brulee |
| 15:59.52 | redbeard2 | ~brulee Keighvin |
| 15:59.53 | ibot | ACTION whisks Keighvin with eggs and cream, and bakes at 350F before sprinkling with sugar and torching |
| 16:06.11 | elg | just wear spandex and a swimming cap everywhere |
| 16:06.17 | elg | then you don't have to worry about getting wet |
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| 16:20.16 | RyanE | you just have a lot of *other* things to worry 'bout. |
| 16:22.00 | sjansen | http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/funny-pictures-cat-ensures-that-you-have-fun-in-laundry-machine.jpg |
| 16:22.52 | harleypig | ooo ... I sh ould move to Seattle ... then I can wear spandex all the time. |
| 16:23.35 | elg | i wonder what would happen if bruce banner wore spandex |
| 16:23.41 | elg | and some guy made fun of him |
| 16:24.15 | harleypig | *blink* *blink* ... wow ... I was just imagining the she-hulk in spandex ... |
| 16:26.39 | sjansen | I obviously chose the wrong time to log in. |
| 16:28.30 | harleypig | :D |
| 16:31.14 | harleypig | I forgot I had Korn's Jingle Balls ... |
| 16:31.32 | mrpull | yikes: http://tinyurl.com/6zfaky |
| 16:31.35 | brac | [A VMware mistake may shutdown thousands of virtual infrastructures | virtualization.info] |
| 16:34.26 | Sargun | haha |
| 16:34.27 | Sargun | HAhaha |
| 16:34.28 | Sargun | HAHAA |
| 16:39.50 | Jayce^ | sjansen, sometimes harleypig wears stretchy-pants... is for fun.. |
| 16:43.32 | sjansen | Oh, wow, I hadn't realized today was also Patch Tuesday. |
| 16:48.29 | Sargun | patch tuesday? |
| 16:48.38 | Sargun | isn't that when all the windows sysadmins actually have to do work |
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| 17:02.30 | findlay | reboot tuesday |
| 17:02.48 | harleypig | Sargun: WinSysAdmins have to work non-stop ... |
| 17:03.19 | findlay | ~reboot harleypig |
| 17:03.20 | ibot | ACTION pushes harleypig's reset button |
| 17:03.20 | harleypig | So, I watched two movies last night. One cost millions to make, one cost 10s of thousands. |
| 17:03.27 | harleypig | giggles |
| 17:03.27 | Sargun | harleypig, it was a joke. |
| 17:03.34 | harleypig | Sargun: so is windows |
| 17:03.37 | harleypig | and my response |
| 17:03.38 | Sargun | hehe |
| 17:04.03 | harleypig | The one that cost millions was worth it only to see the lead actor try to keep a straight face throughout. |
| 17:04.21 | harleypig | The one that cost 10s of thousands scared me bad enough that I refused to turn off my light. |
| 17:04.52 | findlay | scare an rms marine? |
| 17:05.00 | findlay | is that possible? |
| 17:05.58 | harleypig | rms ? |
| 17:06.56 | harleypig | Sure ... I just laughed at Starship Troopers ... whatsisbucket couldn't keep a silly grin off his face the whole time. |
| 17:07.29 | ^Migs^ | what was the scary movie? |
| 17:07.35 | harleypig | But Diary of the Dead, while not a new concept was done in such a way that I found myself believing it almost unwillingly. |
| 17:07.40 | ^Migs^ | hmmm |
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| 17:08.39 | harleypig | Basically it started off with this group video blogging their attempts to get home and their coming to grips with what was happening. |
| 17:10.04 | harleypig | And it meshed with what we do (downloading vids from the web) that it was almost automatic ... they didn't have to spend any time building up or explaining anything about *how* they were video blogging |
| 17:10.46 | harleypig | And of course, they did a good job of making you care enough about a supporting character that you felt it when they had to head shot her. |
| 17:10.57 | tristanbob_ | everyone see the VMware timebomb debacle? |
| 17:11.10 | harleypig | yep ... someone just posted a link |
| 17:11.15 | harleypig | mrpull |
| 17:11.38 | tristanbob_ | http://kb2.vmware.com/kb/1006716.html |
| 17:11.40 | brac | [VMware Knowledge Base - View Document] |
| 17:11.44 | tristanbob_ | mrpull, is a winner |
| 17:13.12 | harleypig | ^Migs^: just noticed your 'hmmm' ... what d'ya mean? |
| 17:14.06 | ^Migs^ | I like horror movies |
| 17:14.09 | ^Migs^ | and learning about new ones |
| 17:14.21 | ^Migs^ | I was thinking about adding it to Netflix, so I just did |
| 17:14.50 | harleypig | Ahh. I thought it was going to be another one of those cheap stoopid zombie movies, but I really liked it. |
| 17:15.33 | harleypig | Day of the Dead, the recent one, was an adrenalin movie, from start to finish. This one is more cerebral. Pun intended. |
| 17:16.07 | harleypig | ^Migs^: Just be aware ... most things I like, few others do. Take with a lick of salt. |
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| 17:21.18 | sjansen | harleypig: I am _not_ licking anything you've touched. |
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| 17:21.58 | tristanbob_ | almost every VMware data center will be affected - it is going to be nasty |
| 17:23.48 | Sargun | Does anyone know of any way to convert from hex to int on command line? |
| 17:24.25 | findlay | there's, like perl modules for that |
| 17:25.06 | Sargun | Perl isn't like, command line. |
| 17:25.17 | Sargun | Its like.. insane. |
| 17:25.27 | jlp_work | Sargun: echo "ibase=16; A3" | bc replace A3 with your hex number |
| 17:25.54 | findlay | perl -e "print $sargun\n" |
| 17:27.35 | levi | OK, who's going to be the first #utahn to get one of these: http://gizmodo.com/5035828/lenovo-thinkpad-w700-has-a-built+in-wacom-tablet-and-professional-grade-screen |
| 17:30.18 | Sargun | jlp_work, how do you convert it back? |
| 17:30.19 | mrpull | levi: holy geeze that thing is ugly |
| 17:30.44 | jlp_work | Sargun: echo "obase=16; 163" | bc again, replace 163 with your decimal number |
| 17:30.53 | mrpull | 8 pounds of goodness (without the extra battery and cables?) |
| 17:30.57 | Sargun | Oh, I also need to deal with endianness |
| 17:31.06 | levi | mrpull: All thinkpads are fugly. |
| 17:31.14 | Sargun | The hex number is in big endian |
| 17:31.19 | jlp_work | you mean you want to switch the nybbles around? |
| 17:31.21 | levi | I kindof like the one I got from work, though. |
| 17:31.29 | Sargun | hehe. |
| 17:31.30 | mrpull | I'm a believer in the Thinkpad gospel (despite not having one for about 5 years) |
| 17:31.49 | elg | levi: i think i'd rather have a desktop and wacom pad |
| 17:31.58 | jlp_work | or reverse the bits entirely |
| 17:32.01 | elg | that thing has to have outgrown the term "laptop" |
| 17:32.07 | elg | not that has stopped many people |
| 17:32.12 | levi | elg: I was thinking it'd be harleypig's next laptop. :) |
| 17:32.26 | levi | It's probably smaller than his current one. |
| 17:32.27 | harleypig | :> |
| 17:32.27 | mrpull | does the wacom tablet offer features that the tablet pc's touch screens don't? |
| 17:32.49 | elg | you don't touch your screen |
| 17:32.57 | elg | seems like a big win to me |
| 17:33.02 | elg | ~lart people who touch my screen |
| 17:33.02 | ibot | blasts people who touch my screen with a huge firehose then strangles people who touch my screen with it |
| 17:33.28 | harleypig | I'm waiting for the Johnny Mnemonic glove style interface. |
| 17:33.45 | mrpull | harleypig: it's here, but doesn't need gloves |
| 17:33.51 | Sargun | Ok. |
| 17:34.00 | harleypig | You mean the mouse ring? |
| 17:34.09 | Sargun | now I need to convert from a hex address to a : seperated addr |
| 17:34.10 | levi | I wouldn't particularly like such a beast of a laptop, but it's kind of interesting to look at as long as someone else hauls it around. :) |
| 17:34.32 | harleypig | I wonder if the battery is better than the pos they included in mine. |
| 17:34.37 | sjansen | ~quote VMW |
| 17:35.03 | sjansen | Supposedly VMWare's stock was taking a beating. Guess that's not true. |
| 17:35.06 | harleypig | ~quote XXX |
| 17:35.14 | Sargun | I like vmware. |
| 17:35.30 | Sargun | I used to hate them, but in the past 5-7 years they seem to have grown a soul. |
| 17:35.31 | goozbach | harleypig: I couldn't get it to work otherwise |
| 17:35.40 | Sargun | and actually getting quality. |
| 17:35.52 | harleypig | goozbach: that's really weird |
| 17:35.52 | goozbach | again... patches welcome! :) |
| 17:36.02 | Jayce^ | http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/1199/piracyua6.jpg |
| 17:36.14 | goozbach | some sort of scoping issue when it ran under irssi |
| 17:36.15 | harleypig | I'm working on adding the refresh as a setting ... learning irssi |
| 17:36.32 | goozbach | it still needs work. |
| 17:36.40 | levi | harleypig: I'm not so sure it's a matter of your battery being a POS as it is your laptop being extremely power-hungry. :) |
| 17:36.42 | mrpull | f'ing f's sake... made me laugh, but that is terrible |
| 17:36.52 | goozbach | the big thing is to upgrade the version of Net::Twitter and seeing if it still works |
| 17:37.09 | goozbach | N::Twitter just got upgraded to match the latest twitter API |
| 17:43.46 | jlp_work | Sargun: starts to get hairy. you can use something like "cut" to pick out the 2 nybble chunks, store them in a shell array, convert them, then print them out in reverse order |
| 17:43.46 | Sargun | Why are we running out of IPv4 resources, but not MAC addresses? |
| 17:44.00 | Sargun | jlp_work, ah. Sounds :-( |
| 17:44.11 | Tene | Sargun: mac addresses aren't global. |
| 17:44.12 | jlp_work | Sargun: might need to switch to perl to make it easier. I usually switch to perl when I get over 10 commands in my pipeline :-/ |
| 17:44.19 | Sargun | Tene, but they have to be unique. |
| 17:44.44 | Sargun | jlp_work, Can't do perl |
| 17:44.46 | Sargun | anyways |
| 17:44.51 | Sargun | The commands I've done so far: |
| 17:44.53 | Sargun | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:44.56 | jlp_work | Sargun: MAC addresses have 16 more bits... 2^48 >> 2^32 |
| 17:45.07 | Sargun | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:45.13 | Sargun | jlp_work, oh, yeah 2**48 |
| 17:45.28 | Sargun | is so happy he got his employers AS on v6. |
| 17:45.44 | Sargun | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:45.54 | Sargun | now to turn it into hex. |
| 17:45.57 | Sargun | err |
| 17:45.59 | harleypig | levi: No the battery couldn't handle being plugged in all the time. |
| 17:46.03 | Sargun | : separated hex. |
| 17:47.32 | Sargun | echo `cat /tmp/eth1|cut -b 0-2`:`cat /tmp/eth1|cut -b 3-4`:`cat /tmp/eth1|cut -b 5-6`:`cat /tmp/eth1|cut -b 7-8`:`cat /tmp/eth1|cut -b 9-10` |
| 17:47.34 | Sargun | :-D |
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| 17:47.41 | jlp_work | ick |
| 17:47.51 | jlp_work | but yeah, that would probably work |
| 17:51.42 | elg | or you could just use orpie |
| 17:52.15 | elg | anyone have ieee access? |
| 17:52.24 | elg | to articles |
| 17:53.17 | harleypig | Sargun: on my shell 'ip link show dev eth0` alread has a : delimited hex number ... |
| 17:53.49 | harleypig | oh ... wait |
| 17:53.52 | Sargun | harleypig, if you read what I posted you would understand. |
| 17:53.57 | harleypig | why are you removing the :'s |
| 17:54.10 | harleypig | is reading back. |
| 17:54.23 | levi | elg: I have access to some through uvu. What do you need? |
| 17:54.48 | elg | levi: nm, von is on campus and byu has access |
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| 17:54.55 | elg | http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/iel2/540/3969/00151067.pdf?tp=&arnumber=151067&isnumber=3969 is the article |
| 17:55.20 | Sargun | harleypig, anyways, since I'm nicer than the rest of the people in this channel ;-P I needed to add 1 to the mac address |
| 17:55.28 | elg | funny how the hardest articles to track down are the ones from like 1991 |
| 17:55.52 | elg | what are you doing with mac ddresses? |
| 17:56.04 | Sargun | Adding 1 to them ;-P |
| 17:57.01 | levi | Huh, they screwed up the proxy, so I can't get to it right now. |
| 17:57.39 | Sargun | heh. Sucks. |
| 17:59.07 | harleypig | Sargun: heh ... thx ... I got that just as you said it, and felt kinda stoopid. :> |
| 17:59.34 | Sargun | Its ok, it happens all the time. |
| 17:59.35 | Sargun | :-) |
| 17:59.41 | Sargun | +1! |
| 18:02.10 | elg | so i'm too lazy to look at others' solutions, but ip link ... | grep -o ... | sed 's/://g' | bc ... | sed ... |
| 18:05.18 | levi | So, some guy posted Stevey's latest Blog Rant to reddit, and thoughtfully put a * in the transcription of the title... except it was in 'bull' instead of the second part. |
| 18:06.47 | elg | heh |
| 18:06.56 | elg | maybe he's offended by bulls |
| 18:10.37 | harleypig | Sargun: echo "obase=16;ibase=16;" `ip link show dev eth0 | grep ether | cut -b16-32 | tr a-z A-Z | sed s/://g` + 1 | bc | sed 's/\(..\)/:\1/2g' |
| 18:10.57 | Sargun | I'm not a sed expect. |
| 18:12.02 | harleypig | neither am I. :> But you got my curiousity going ... you shouldn't need to do that in two steps on the command line. |
| 18:12.11 | harleypig | that appears to do what you wanted. |
| 18:12.32 | Sargun | hehe |
| 18:19.16 | jlp_work | Sargun, the only problem is that bc tosses leading zeros, which you might need (if your MAC starts with 00:) |
| 18:20.28 | Sargun | I already have a workaround |
| 18:20.30 | Sargun | it works |
| 18:20.34 | Sargun | and implemented. |
| 18:22.23 | elg | did you write unit tests? |
| 18:22.31 | elg | and bashdoc? |
| 18:22.56 | levi | Did you check it into your source control system? |
| 18:23.58 | Sargun | Is there even a bashdoc? |
| 18:24.06 | elg | you might have to write one |
| 18:24.10 | Sargun | haha |
| 18:24.18 | Sargun | elg, I work with a guy who wrote a good chunk of SMGL's cast |
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| 18:53.19 | nick125 | Sargun: Isn't he the slightly insane one? |
| 18:53.44 | nick125 | slightly being an understatement |
| 18:53.49 | Sargun | uhm |
| 18:53.51 | Sargun | no. |
| 18:53.57 | nick125 | swoolley? |
| 18:53.59 | Sargun | well one is slightly insane (andrew) |
| 18:54.04 | Sargun | Swoolley isn't that insane. |
| 18:54.14 | Sargun | Paul also was a SMGL developer. |
| 18:54.15 | nick125 | He writes complex programs in Bash. |
| 18:54.21 | nick125 | Come on, seriously. Think about it. |
| 18:54.23 | Sargun | I write complex programs in bash |
| 18:54.27 | Sargun | well...sort of. |
| 18:54.35 | nick125 | Sargun: You're insane, that's why. |
| 19:00.32 | levi | That's why perl was invented. |
| 19:02.20 | levi | It became popular because it made unix hackers realize how insane what they'd been doing was, even though it was insane enough itself to still seem familiar. |
| 19:07.53 | findlay | heh |
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| 19:10.41 | findlay | levi: ever heard of Alain Connes? |
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| 19:22.18 | goozbach | slashdot must be down |
| 19:23.01 | sjansen | Just this morning while working on some new training material, I wrote: |
| 19:23.48 | sjansen | Because of the nature of the command line, shell scripts tend to be |
| 19:23.48 | sjansen | quick and dirty ad-hoc solutions. It is possible to create well |
| 19:23.48 | sjansen | structured shell scripts, but past a certain complexity threshold it |
| 19:23.48 | sjansen | becomes quite difficult. At a certain point, it becomes smarter to |
| 19:23.48 | sjansen | switch to a more structured language. Perl, Python and Ruby are |
| 19:23.49 | sjansen | popular alternatives they are more powerful but still relatively |
| 19:23.51 | sjansen | lightweight. |
| 19:31.36 | tensai | sjansen: I read something similar in a book about C in Linux, basically that most simple tasks are better written in bash than C |
| 19:32.57 | findlay | nuh uh, C for all your ad hoc tasks |
| 19:39.18 | jsmith | sjansen: There's wisdom in that statement, especially if you've ever tried to manage 200,000 lines of c-shell programming. |
| 19:41.10 | Tene | find ~/src/parrot -name '*.c' | xargs wc -l |
| 19:41.15 | Tene | 389375 total |
| 19:41.22 | Tene | I'm not sure how much of tha is generated. |
| 19:41.26 | Tene | I'm curious. |
| 19:42.27 | sjansen | jsmith: 200,000? Oof. My personal rule of thumb is anything over 100 lines should probably be converted. Often earlier. |
| 19:42.38 | Tene | oh, "c-shell" |
| 19:43.00 | Tene | I thought something was confusing there, but it took me five readings to figure out it was talking about csh, not C. |
| 19:43.53 | jsmith | Yeah, csh... c-shell.... sea-shell... it's all the same. |
| 19:44.05 | jsmith | That reminds me of today's stupid joke-of-the-day! |
| 19:44.33 | jsmith | Why do mermaids wear sea shells? |
| 19:45.06 | Jayce^ | because the B's are too small, and the D's too big.. |
| 19:45.17 | harleypig | assembler for q&d!!! |
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| 19:45.40 | harleypig | ... tries not to imagine arial in a D shell ... |
| 19:45.49 | jsmith | Jayce^: Yup... D shells would be too big, and B shells would be too small |
| 19:45.53 | harleypig | or is it ariel? |
| 19:46.03 | Jayce^ | harleypig, too late |
| 19:46.06 | jsmith | harleypig: One is a font, one is a mermaid. You figure it out ;-) |
| 19:46.23 | harleypig | meh ... it's the image I'm focusing on. |
| 19:46.28 | jsmith | imagined the font |
| 19:46.30 | harleypig | err ... trying not to focus on. |
| 19:46.38 | tensai | it's Arie'el. she's jewish. |
| 19:46.50 | harleypig | ... |
| 19:46.57 | jsmith | Well, try spending the next few minutes trying not to think of a blue-eyed polar bear. |
| 19:47.11 | harleypig | Aghhh! I can't stop my mind from following that train of thought!!! |
| 19:47.23 | Jayce^ | harleypig, always a train wrek, waiting to happen |
| 19:49.14 | harleypig | I'd rather be a cake wreck ... oooooo |
| 19:49.20 | harleypig | just had an idea ... |
| 19:49.32 | harleypig | is redbeard2 still here? |
| 19:49.44 | Jayce^ | he's connected at least |
| 19:50.00 | harleypig | I've got an iea for his next cake ... |
| 19:50.05 | harleypig | s/iea/idea/ |
| 19:50.24 | Jayce^ | I already showed him that site :) |
| 19:51.26 | harleypig | This idea involves Make The Bad Man Stop in cake form ... |
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| 19:59.48 | redbeard2 | ~cake harleypig |
| 20:05.01 | findlay | what does this mean: passwd: User not known to the underlying authentication module |
| 20:05.43 | jsmith | findlay: It means your good friend PAM has no idea who you're talking about |
| 20:05.46 | sjansen | It means the underlying authentication module doesn't know the user. |
| 20:06.32 | findlay | why must authentication modules be underlaid? |
| 20:06.41 | sjansen | Perhaps because the user is stored in LDAP instead of /etc/passwd |
| 20:08.15 | sjansen | So pam_unix is all like "Whatcha talkin' 'bout, Willis?" but if you asked pam_ldap it'd be all "Sure I know him. Wanna make somethin' of it?" |
| 20:08.34 | findlay | ah |
| 20:08.38 | fozzmoo | So what is "I pity the fool!" ? |
| 20:08.49 | findlay | all I needed to do was run pwconv |
| 20:08.55 | findlay | ~MR T fozzmoo |
| 20:08.57 | fozzmoo | heh. |
| 20:09.00 | findlay | ~Mr T fozzmoo |
| 20:09.32 | sjansen | fozzmoo: pam_xauth |
| 20:10.41 | fozzmoo | ;-) |
| 20:11.01 | sjansen | And then there's pam_selinux: "We're going to need another Timmy!" |
| 20:12.20 | sjansen | pam_wheel: "Not the mama!" |
| 20:12.26 | findlay | ~pam sjansen |
| 20:13.23 | sjansen | pam_limits: "It's clobberin' time!" |
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| 20:22.49 | sjansen | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeE8x--PeII |
| 20:24.17 | elg | sorry, charles is out |
| 20:24.20 | elg | but harleypig is available |
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| 20:48.19 | ^Migs^ | http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Colbert_demands_speaking_role_at_Democratic_0812.html |
| 20:48.21 | brac | [The Raw Story | Colbert demands speaking role at Democratic Convention] |
| 20:50.42 | elg | ~catharsize ^Migs^ |
| 21:02.07 | harleypig | http://www.smh.com.au/news/off-the-field/bills-blue-screen-of-death-malfunction/2008/08/12/1218306871673.html |
| 21:02.10 | brac | [Off The Field - News - Olympics - smh.com.au] |
| 21:02.24 | harleypig | BSOD on a world wide scale |
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| 21:08.00 | harleypig | elg: don't forget to tell him I'm expensive. |
| 21:10.25 | Jayce^ | I didn't think it was that much... |
| 21:16.47 | harleypig | o_O |
| 21:16.57 | harleypig | next time I'll charge more. |
| 21:17.37 | harleypig | is that screaming I hear? |
| 21:18.30 | levi | findlay: I haven't heard of Alain Connes. |
| 21:18.40 | levi | But I wrote a PAM module once. |
| 21:19.04 | harleypig | Did she write back? |
| 21:19.16 | levi | tensai: And if your only choices for a simple task are C and bash, by all means choose bash! |
| 21:19.37 | harleypig | ASSEMBLER!!! |
| 21:19.57 | levi | But given a C compiler, you can, in short order, have a much better tool for the simple programming task. |
| 21:20.00 | goozbach | bash++ |
| 21:20.06 | goozbach | I love programming in bash |
| 21:20.24 | Sargun | I love programming in goozbach |
| 21:20.49 | levi | Some people like programming in brainf***. That doesn't make it a good programming language. :) |
| 21:21.29 | goozbach | I need to get my getoptsx project running under trac |
| 21:21.36 | goozbach | here's the code: svn co http://code.friocorte.com/getopts/ |
| 21:22.01 | maquis | Keighvin: see PM |
| 21:22.40 | harleypig | goozbach: that's an empty directory ... |
| 21:23.03 | harleypig | Uh oh ... Keighvin ... yer in trouble! You have to go see the Prime Minister! |
| 21:24.01 | goozbach | I know why, cause it's not svn |
| 21:24.02 | goozbach | it's bzr |
| 21:24.06 | goozbach | bzr branch http://code.friocorte.com/getopts/ |
| 21:24.15 | goozbach | silly goozbach bzr is for code! |
| 21:24.23 | harleypig | It certainly is. |
| 21:24.39 | goozbach | it's a fun little bash script |
| 21:24.53 | goozbach | option parsing is quite fun |
| 21:25.07 | goozbach | with getoptx, not bash by itself or the binary getopts |
| 21:26.58 | goozbach | I use it in all of my non-perl sysadmin scripts |
| 21:27.12 | goozbach | I've written probally 1000 or so lines of bash for this job |
| 21:27.26 | goozbach | automating tasks is so much easier in bash than other languages |
| 21:27.27 | maquis | harleypig: i get to be the prime minister? |
| 21:27.33 | goozbach | maquis!? |
| 21:27.39 | goozbach | how the heck are you ?! |
| 21:27.46 | maquis | goozbach: doing well. how are you? |
| 21:27.47 | harleypig | maquis: sure! |
| 21:27.54 | goozbach | superb |
| 21:27.57 | maquis | harleypig: sweet! |
| 21:27.59 | maquis | ;let |
| 21:28.05 | maquis | let's go to war! |
| 21:28.20 | maquis | goozbach: whatcha doing these days? |
| 21:28.39 | harleypig | make love not war! |
| 21:29.11 | goozbach | maquis: still working in Atlanta |
| 21:29.14 | goozbach | CXRi |
| 21:29.33 | harleypig | and people complain about perl being line noise ... |
| 21:29.51 | goozbach | we're refresning everything! servers, switches/network, load balancers, storage! |
| 21:29.54 | goozbach | it's lotsa fun |
| 21:29.58 | harleypig | I need to start working on PASH |
| 21:30.04 | goozbach | harleypig: is that re getoptsx? |
| 21:30.08 | goozbach | line noise? |
| 21:30.10 | harleypig | goozbach: yeah |
| 21:30.43 | maquis | goozbach: how ya likin married life? |
| 21:30.45 | goozbach | this function has been around for ages, it was broken for the longest time till I fixed it. |
| 21:30.48 | harleypig | or, I guess PSH |
| 21:30.58 | levi | harleypig: perl looks like line noise *because* it's descended from shell scripting tools. |
| 21:31.48 | goozbach | maquis: love it |
| 21:31.48 | goozbach | it's nice to come home to someone every night |
| 21:31.48 | goozbach | how about you? |
| 21:31.48 | maquis | yeah. it's pretty sweet |
| 21:31.56 | maquis | scott was out with the reserves for a couple months earlier in the year, but he's back now, so things are happy again :) |
| 21:32.23 | harleypig | levi: I know that ... but people eschew perl because it's so much line noise, but they swear by bash scripts ... |
| 21:32.23 | levi | harleypig: Those people are insane. |
| 21:32.24 | levi | harleypig: There's no help for them. |
| 21:32.29 | harleypig | heh |
| 21:32.50 | harleypig | We should kidnap them and force them to listen to Damian Conway for days on end. |
| 21:33.06 | harleypig | Either their brains will run out their ears, or they'll become super perl coders. |
| 21:33.12 | harleypig | Either way, we're ahead. |
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| 21:33.41 | goozbach | harleypig: started on psh? |
| 21:33.47 | goozbach | that'd be a fun project |
| 21:34.12 | goozbach | can anyone here get to slashdot.org? |
| 21:34.13 | harleypig | I believe someone already has ... I think it's part of the perl tools project. |
| 21:34.28 | harleypig | But I have only a glimmer of what needs to be done. |
| 21:34.44 | harleypig | loading slashdot ... |
| 21:34.48 | harleypig | yes |
| 21:34.51 | goozbach | hmm |
| 21:34.52 | harleypig | I can get to slashy |
| 21:35.00 | goozbach | I'm unable to get to sourceforge either |
| 21:35.30 | goozbach | maybe the east coast is having routing issues... |
| 21:35.45 | harleypig | can get there too |
| 21:35.52 | goozbach | hmmm |
| 21:36.00 | goozbach | time to jump on my west-coast proxy |
| 21:36.01 | harleypig | otoh, this morning from SFCN I couldn't get to my normal sites ... |
| 21:36.45 | goozbach | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:36.45 | goozbach | > utos-plan mailing list |
| 21:36.45 | goozbach | > utos-plan@utos.org |
| 21:36.45 | goozbach | > http://mail.utos.org/mailman/listinfo/utos-plan |
| 21:36.47 | goozbach | doh |
| 21:37.03 | goozbach | http://sourceforge.net/projects/psh/ |
| 21:37.04 | brac | [SourceForge.net: Perl Shell] |
| 21:39.16 | harleypig | yeah ... that's what I was thinking of. |
| 21:42.28 | tensai | I tried psh once. kept throwing me double free warnings. sounds great in theory though. |
| 21:49.47 | harleypig | I haven't tried it since 2001 ... I see he's made some updates ... |
| 21:49.59 | jsmith | tensai: Double free? Sounds like the next gov't "economic stimulus package" |
| 21:50.06 | jsmith | ducks |
| 21:50.31 | tensai | hits jsmith across the head with a national debt |
| 21:51.52 | jsmith | tensai: What's the energy required to swing nine and a half trillion dollars (and counting!) with enough velocity to hit me? |
| 21:52.21 | harleypig | very little if you'll take a check |
| 21:52.34 | harleypig | or a chit |
| 21:52.44 | tensai | jsmith: not sure. lemme spend $450 million in darpa grants to figure it out. |
| 21:52.56 | goozbach | psh is kinda cool |
| 21:53.07 | goozbach | cpan2rpm psh was all it took to build an rpm of it |
| 21:53.57 | goozbach | if you assume one-hundred dollar bills... |
| 21:54.11 | goozbach | (largest denomation of cash) |
| 21:54.57 | jsmith | goozbach: And don't forget that you can't fly with more than $10,000 worth of cash, so he'll have to drive here to catch me |
| 21:55.10 | goozbach | each bill weighs a gram |
| 21:55.30 | goozbach | how many zeros does a trillion have? |
| 21:56.03 | jsmith | 9x10^12 |
| 21:56.15 | goozbach | crap, my calculator doesn't go this big... I need bc |
| 21:56.41 | jsmith | 9 billion kilograms? |
| 21:57.10 | goozbach | ~convert 950000000000 grams to kilograms |
| 21:57.37 | goozbach | how hard do we want to hit you? |
| 21:59.08 | goozbach | and we need something which can hold that much cash... |
| 21:59.20 | goozbach | each bill is .09 inches cubed |
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| 21:59.36 | goozbach | ~covert .09 inches to cm |
| 22:03.01 | goozbach | "prancin around with their heads full of eyeballs!" |
| 22:04.12 | jsmith | ~convert 0.9 inch to cm |
| 22:04.21 | jsmith | goozbach: (Helps if you learn to spell "convert") |
| 22:06.31 | maquis | goozbach: huh? |
| 22:08.59 | jsmith | goozbach: Don't forget that while the national debt might be 9.5 trillion, there's only $771 billion worth of currency in existence |
| 22:09.08 | jsmith | goozbach: (So that solves 90% of your problem right there!) |
| 22:12.10 | tensai | smacks forehead |
| 22:12.28 | tensai | customer calls in because their wireless internet is not working well |
| 22:12.43 | maquis | ok |
| 22:12.45 | tensai | we dispatch, discover customer has stacked 5 tons of hay in front of said radio |
| 22:12.52 | maquis | wow |
| 22:13.13 | levi | tensai: Heh. :) |
| 22:13.19 | JoshH | tensai, what areas does your joint service? |
| 22:13.19 | tensai | I'm just amazed that they didn't realize that would be a problem |
| 22:13.25 | tensai | JoshH: wyoming |
| 22:13.38 | JoshH | all over? |
| 22:13.59 | maquis | tensai: at least they didn't stack 5 tons of hay on top of said radio |
| 22:14.02 | jsmith | tensai: Yay for wyoming! |
| 22:14.17 | jsmith | ducks and heads for cover |
| 22:14.31 | tensai | JoshH: we have wireless in green river, rock springs, pinedale, big piney, riverton, lander, shoshoni, arapahoe, casper, rawlins, cheyenne and laramie |
| 22:14.35 | JoshH | i like wyoming |
| 22:15.22 | JoshH | also, why not evanston? |
| 22:15.59 | JoshH | and jackson hole/cody/etc |
| 22:16.09 | tensai | we have dial-up and dsl there. beyond that, I dunno. I don't pick the locations. |
| 22:16.22 | Sargun | Dial up is awesome. |
| 22:16.24 | Sargun | :-P |
| 22:16.31 | tensai | we had stuff in jackson but it was 2.4 and the wifi interference killed us |
| 22:16.37 | JoshH | ah, i see |
| 22:17.42 | JoshH | my fiance is from wyoming, and sometimes talks about moving back, and while i'd be happy about that in some ways, i've had concerns about ISP options |
| 22:17.54 | JoshH | as well as cold |
| 22:17.59 | Tene | I'd like to live in Wyoming for a couple of years sometime. |
| 22:18.17 | JoshH | so i usually counter by suggesting moving to portland |
| 22:18.27 | JoshH | (my favorite us city) |
| 22:18.47 | tensai | portland is quite nice as far as big cities go |
| 22:18.51 | Tene | I'd like to spend time there, too! |
| 22:19.07 | tensai | and you could save on costs for oscon |
| 22:19.42 | JoshH | portland has great people, great breweries, green everywhere, slow paced, laid back atmosphere... just perfect |
| 22:19.52 | JoshH | only i get sick of the rain |
| 22:20.06 | Jayce^ | and a higher than average percentage of granola in the population :) |
| 22:20.38 | JoshH | which i consider a good thing, even though i'm only mildy granola-ish personally |
| 22:21.13 | JoshH | granolas tend to be pretty nice |
| 22:23.15 | JoshH | i think the windsurfing in the gorge looks like fun, even though i haven't tried it yet. i'd like to sometime. |
| 22:23.23 | Jayce^ | I got pretty tired of it, was one of the few things that felt nice about moving out here |
| 22:24.49 | Jayce^ | I joke with my wife, that if we moved back to one of our hometowns, it wouldnt' be long before I wound up on the news... :) |
| 22:30.01 | goozbach | I'm supprised you haven't made the news in Utah |
| 22:32.04 | tensai | he's good at hiding bodies |
| 22:32.14 | Jayce^ | I live next to a lot of BLM land :) |
| 22:32.49 | eggyknap | lucky :) |
| 22:33.01 | harleypig | Big Lugging Morons? |
| 22:33.09 | harleypig | Bile Licking Mutants? |
| 22:33.10 | Tene | http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=6b6_1217878876 -- hahaha |
| 22:33.16 | brac | [LiveLeak.com - Woman amazed by rainbow in the sprinkler] |
| 22:33.20 | Tene | srsly, hilarious |
| 22:33.32 | Tene | can't stop laughing |
| 22:34.06 | mrpull | Tene: WHAT THE HECK IS IN OUR WATER SUPPLY? |
| 22:35.27 | Tene | mrpull: METALLIC OXIDE SALTS |
| 22:37.18 | findlay | WHATS WATER SUPPLY? |
| 22:38.32 | findlay | um, duh, for a 'rainbow', whatever that is, all you need is light and water |
| 22:38.37 | findlay | plain water |
| 22:39.05 | findlay | I'm sure there's an excellent wikipedia article on the subject |
| 22:40.39 | findlay | plain, as in, pure water (except that in aqueous form, water will disassociate one part per every 10^14) |
| 22:40.51 | findlay | (of course) |
| 22:46.15 | harleypig | AGHH!! Google safe search ain't safe! |
| 22:46.44 | harleypig | Did a search on images for amish computer and one of the first hits is a young lady who is extremely well endowed and no shirt on ... |
| 22:46.55 | harleypig | can't hit that stoopid X fast enough ... |
| 22:49.11 | Sargun | harleypig, why would it come up with that? |
| 22:49.27 | harleypig | I dunno. And I'm not clicking on the link until I get home. |
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| 22:51.03 | harleypig | Jayce^ says it's binary ... |
| 22:51.33 | Tene | that... is a very disturbing image. |
| 22:52.00 | harleypig | the sheer size or something I didn't see cause I was panicking and trying to close the window? |
| 22:52.41 | Tene | something else |
| 22:52.43 | harleypig | s/window/tab/ |
| 22:53.03 | harleypig | well, I'll have to take a look at it tonight ... |
| 22:53.05 | Tene | also, ctrl+w is the standard "close browser window" shortcut in most browsers. |
| 22:53.07 | harleypig | after the kids go to bed |
| 22:53.20 | harleypig | Tene: it is, except I have it remapped for compiz |
| 22:53.25 | Tene | ah |
| 22:53.37 | Tene | what do you have it mapped to do? |
| 22:54.13 | harleypig | initiating expo mode, and ctrl-a / d for left and right |
| 22:54.21 | Tene | ah |
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| 22:58.41 | harleypig | Let's do some bug stompin'! |
| 22:58.47 | harleypig | hiya bug! |
| 22:58.52 | harleypig | ~stomp bugQ |
| 22:58.53 | ibot | ACTION stomps on bugQ with mail clad boots. |
| 22:59.16 | harleypig | wow ... i didn't know that would work |
| 22:59.24 | bugQ | woe, for I am stomped! |
| 23:00.03 | bugQ | ~eat harleypig |
| 23:00.04 | ibot | ACTION slurps up all the harleypig available |
| 23:00.16 | harleypig | can ibot handle all of me? |
| 23:00.37 | bugQ | depends on how much of you is "available". |
| 23:00.48 | harleypig | you obviously haven't met me have you |
| 23:01.15 | bugQ | can't say I have |
| 23:01.48 | harleypig | Over the last year and a half I've lost around 100-120 pounds ... and i still weigh more than 300. :> |
| 23:02.06 | harleypig | It's all muscle though. |
| 23:02.08 | harleypig | Really. |
| 23:02.19 | bugQ | an impressive feat! |
| 23:02.30 | harleypig | I dunno .. .I haven't seen my feet in awhile. |
| 23:02.36 | harleypig | :> |
| 23:02.41 | *** join/#utah elg (n=fugalh@216.31.27.110) |
| 23:02.41 | *** mode/#utah [+v elg] by ChanServ |
| 23:06.18 | tensai | http://www.heraldextra.com/content/view/276364/17/ |
| 23:09.20 | bugQ | um, awesome. are sunglasses a fashion faux-pas or something? |
| 23:14.11 | bugQ | seriously, why wasn't he have a pair? |
| 23:14.14 | bugQ | *didn't |
| 23:15.30 | levi | That, and pulling handcarts on the road is not the greatest idea. |
| 23:43.00 | elg | ~steal tensai |
| 23:43.01 | ibot | ACTION grabs tensai and gives it to elg |
| 23:43.26 | elg | i never use mother's maiden name, for that very reason. my genealogy has been on the web since before I was born... or um... |
| 23:43.33 | elg | for a long time anyway :) |
| 23:43.53 | elg | besides, how seriously hard can it be to figure that out? |
| 23:44.12 | elg | i'm sure it's in public records, even before the internet you just had to call some county clerk |
