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| 00:05.12 | zurf | sargun swindler, send me the 30usd! for the service not given! |
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| 00:32.46 | levi | Hah, Sargun's got people chasing him for bad business deals, eh? |
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| 00:38.59 | Sargun_screen | levi: I sold the guy services, then I kicked him off my servers, and now he wants his money back. |
| 00:43.07 | fozzmoo | Sargun_screen: Did you ask for your services back? |
| 00:44.14 | Sargun_screen | Hehe. |
| 00:44.40 | Sargun_screen | I asked him not to screw with my services. |
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| 02:12.55 | levi | So, what awesomeness is happening right now? |
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| 02:39.49 | sinuhe | Sweet. I just exchanged gpg fingerprints with rms a few moments ago. |
| 02:43.44 | levi | Not my idea of sweet. |
| 02:44.18 | levi | But good for you. |
| 02:52.28 | sinuhe | levi: I know. We've had that discussion before. :-) |
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| 03:08.49 | elg | @!$! |
| 03:09.06 | Sargun | you like RMS? |
| 03:09.13 | elg | this brand new power adapter is already screwed up the same way the last one was |
| 03:13.18 | Sargun | elg, what company? |
| 03:13.29 | elg | apple |
| 03:13.31 | Sargun | haha |
| 03:13.33 | Sargun | ouch |
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| 03:22.11 | elg | it's applecare, but still a nuisance |
| 03:38.16 | levi | How is it screwed up? |
| 03:38.35 | elg | spring on one of the magsafe pins isn't pushing the pin out |
| 03:38.42 | levi | embarks on an epic quest to do most of the quizzes and discussion assignments for his theatre class in one night. |
| 03:38.56 | elg | leading to erratic or utterly failing to connect |
| 03:38.59 | levi | Silly online courses. |
| 03:39.13 | levi | That's lame. :( |
| 03:39.53 | elg | yeah |
| 03:40.17 | levi | Heh, I tried to start wordpad.exe from the run box in the Start menu, and it just gave me a "Error creating empty document" error box and died. :P |
| 03:40.51 | levi | Notepad it is, then. |
| 03:41.33 | elg | why not vim or emacs? |
| 03:41.50 | elg | vim at least is a pretty small download |
| 03:42.45 | elg | begins spring cleaning his hard drive to make room for olympics |
| 03:44.31 | levi | Well, I have emacs installed. It's just habit to use notepad/wordpad in Windows for stuff like this. |
| 03:44.48 | levi | 'this' being a window to throw a bunch of copy/pasted text that I don't really need to edit. |
| 03:44.50 | elg | stuff like... self-mutilating torture? |
| 03:47.39 | levi | Heh, the teacher herein compares the Greek dithyramb to the Backstreet Boys. |
| 03:48.00 | levi | Except *everyone* liked them, not just teenage girls. :P |
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| 04:34.04 | levi | Stupid crashing Firefox. |
| 04:40.02 | poole | firefox3? must be a bad/incompatible lib from before you installed firefox3 - never had a crash on lfs with firefox3 |
| 04:40.37 | poole | run strace and gdb to see what lib is problem |
| 04:44.17 | sinuhe | I stopped using Firefox a while ago. Gnome's Epiphany seems quicker, simpler, and still renders the same using a mini-form of the same rendering engine. |
| 04:44.57 | poole | i use firefox in stripped down browsing system and dillo on full systems |
| 05:02.30 | tensai | nice. my cbs affiliate changed something on their dtv channel and now it works with my hdhomerun. |
| 05:02.45 | tensai | I couldn't get a lock before |
| 05:19.52 | Sargun | neat. |
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| 05:52.29 | levi | poole: I'm running Firefox on Windows. It probably crashed due to something that got screwed up when it did a self-update without asking me and I didn't want to restart. |
| 06:00.56 | findlay | ~restart levi |
| 06:01.54 | findlay | just got back from a fun concert |
| 07:47.58 | levi | findlay: What concert? |
| 07:48.31 | levi | Boom, there goes firefox again. |
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| 14:42.33 | wps | can anyone here read japanese? |
| 14:52.32 | Sargun_screen | What do you guys think about laptops? |
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| 15:14.49 | goozbach | Sargun_screen: they are smaller than desktops, and are easily carried |
| 15:16.19 | Sargun_screen | hehe. |
| 15:16.30 | Sargun_screen | Well, what do you guys think about the dells? |
| 15:16.36 | Sargun_screen | They are a bit expensive :-( |
| 15:16.44 | Sargun_screen | and my account manager wont cover them. |
| 15:17.20 | Sargun_screen | [he wont do laptops] |
| 15:22.35 | goozbach | lenovo == teh win! |
| 15:22.42 | goozbach | ask redbeard2 |
| 15:23.08 | goozbach | http://blog.josephhall.com/2008/08/thinkpad-r61i-review.html |
| 15:23.52 | goozbach | or any former or current guru. with the exception of perigrine or sjansen ( unless sjansen finally broke down and bought a thinkpad, then you can listen to him ) |
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| 15:28.40 | redbeard2 | goozbach: sjansen has one too |
| 15:29.00 | harleypig | MONKEYS! |
| 15:29.05 | goozbach | ok then you can listen to sjansen |
| 15:29.15 | redbeard2 | don't listen to harleypig tho |
| 15:29.24 | goozbach | heavens no! |
| 15:29.31 | goozbach | never listen to a harleypig |
| 15:29.37 | harleypig | *snort* |
| 15:30.19 | goozbach | unles it involves a long story including a tutu, baked beans, 12' of bailing twine. and two live platapus. |
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| 15:30.42 | goozbach | s/unles/unless |
| 15:30.56 | redbeard2 | i thought there were three live platapus |
| 15:31.21 | redbeard2 | platapii? |
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| 15:34.56 | goozbach | redbeard2: you're right, there *WERE* three. but only the first two really count in the story. the other one was such a jerk... you'd think that webbed feet couldn't make such gestures... |
| 15:35.33 | redbeard2 | goozbach: yeah, but anything is apparently possible in harleypig's world |
| 15:35.38 | redbeard2 | shudders |
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| 15:41.00 | Sargun_screen | goozbach: I've had issues with my T60p |
| 15:41.10 | Sargun_screen | and with my t60 @ work |
| 15:41.19 | Sargun_screen | and my t61 @ work. |
| 15:41.56 | Sargun_screen | My laptop = bad mobo, hdd, screen, inverter, several bad PSUs |
| 15:42.07 | Sargun_screen | T60 = Bad DVD drive. |
| 15:42.22 | Sargun_screen | oh, my laptop had a bad dvd drive too. |
| 15:42.47 | Sargun_screen | T61 = DVD drive issues, vibration issues, boot issues |
| 15:42.59 | Sargun_screen | Oh, also My laptop had issues with its video. |
| 15:43.08 | Sargun_screen | T61 =+ heat issues |
| 15:43.34 | Sargun_screen | Also, I hate widescreen |
| 15:52.07 | unum | looks like someone else has similiar luck with laptops as me |
| 15:52.23 | unum | is not a laptop fan |
| 15:52.31 | unum | but the eeepc was just sooooo cute..... |
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| 15:57.27 | findlay | levi: it was some sort of concert to support the Deseret Book cabal |
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| 16:13.18 | jelly-bean | is this a linux user group |
| 16:14.38 | Jayce^ | is *this*... no |
| 16:15.59 | goozbach | this is a support group for linux user group addicts |
| 16:16.10 | goozbach | kinda like a LUGanon |
| 16:16.20 | JoshH | i've been linux free for.... well, no time at all |
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| 16:16.48 | goozbach | JoshH: using linux is ok, it's the dependancy on the LUG you have to worry about. |
| 16:17.06 | peno | I can quit linux anytime I want! I don't need 12 steps to do it! |
| 16:17.17 | goozbach | again, you're in the wrong place |
| 16:17.35 | goozbach | linux isn't the problem, it's the LUG addiction. All of you are in denial! |
| 16:17.58 | JoshH | i'm not addicted, i never actually post |
| 16:18.10 | goozbach | JoshH: congrats!! |
| 16:18.13 | peno | closet addiction |
| 16:18.21 | goozbach | I've not been to a lug meeting in ..... |
| 16:19.31 | JoshH | i last went to a sllug meet about 3 years ago, and have yet to relapse |
| 16:19.47 | JoshH | although i almost went to the kvm presentation, but completely spaced it |
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| 16:20.46 | Jayce^ | but you're goign to UTOS right? |
| 16:21.11 | JoshH | doubt it, i haven't bothered to register |
| 16:22.11 | tensai | there's still time |
| 16:22.55 | JoshH | what i'm really looking forward to is NANOG in LA, but that's not till october |
| 16:24.48 | tensai | JoshH: if you meet Sargun there, make sure to smack him for all of us |
| 16:26.17 | JoshH | i have no idea what he looks like |
| 16:30.41 | elg | findlay: have you seen Copying Beethoven? |
| 16:39.16 | harleypig | wow ... goozbach and redbeard2 are so in touch with my private little world! :D |
| 16:39.39 | redbeard2 | harleypig: no wonder i had to go to therapy |
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| 16:39.56 | harleypig | aren't you still in therapy? |
| 16:40.20 | redbeard2 | harleypig: thanks to you, i'll be in therapy for years |
| 16:40.27 | harleypig | your welcome |
| 16:40.39 | harleypig | and tell your therapist he's welcome too |
| 16:41.03 | Jayce^ | goozbach touches harleypigs privates? |
| 16:41.44 | harleypig | yipes! |
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| 16:51.27 | harleypig | !!!!!!!!!!, !!!!!!! !!!!!!? |
| 16:51.43 | bugQ | !?? ?!. |
| 16:52.03 | harleypig | ?! !? |
| 16:52.06 | harleypig | . |
| 17:00.33 | harleypig | Does anyone know of a way to list event listeners attached to an object? |
| 17:00.39 | harleypig | err .. |
| 17:00.41 | harleypig | in javascript |
| 17:10.31 | harleypig | I can't even get firebug to tell me what listeners are on an object... |
| 17:12.20 | bugQ | I don't think there's an easy way |
| 17:14.28 | bugQ | YUI has getListeners, dunno about jQuery or other |
| 17:16.59 | harleypig | but is YUI wrapping addEventListeners and keeping track on it's own? |
| 17:17.10 | harleypig | If that's the case tat doesn't really help me. |
| 17:18.32 | bugQ | ya, it's a different. YAHOO.util.Event.addListener nonsense |
| 17:21.05 | harleypig | add on page "What swimsuit do you need for your body type?" |
| 17:21.11 | harleypig | I should totally do it ... |
| 17:21.44 | mrpull | harleypig: haven't you already demonstrated you have poor judgement WRT swimsuits? |
| 17:25.39 | goozbach | #utah, I need your help. I have to document the reasons PHPBB is a bad idea for a forum software. |
| 17:26.33 | goozbach | I know there are tons of security holes, messy links (making search difficult), many problems with running and supporting PHP. |
| 17:27.03 | goozbach | but I need hard and fast facts. Any links you may have in your bookmarks or memory which may help me would be appreciated |
| 17:27.53 | elg | facts like "php is evil"? |
| 17:28.02 | elg | <a href="sjansen">PHP is evil</a> |
| 17:30.33 | mrpull | goozbach: which software are you proposing? |
| 17:31.11 | goozbach | well, right now the forerunner is SMF forums |
| 17:31.23 | goozbach | it's still PHP but it's not as holey |
| 17:31.51 | mrpull | I don't know SMF. Doesn't it have a page saying why it is better than the competition? |
| 17:41.08 | goozbach | something like that |
| 17:41.38 | goozbach | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:44.04 | harleypig | mrpull: I have really *good* judgement when it comes to making people want to dig their eyes out with rusty spoons. |
| 17:44.46 | harleypig | goozbach: If it's not perl it's CRAAAAAP! ? |
| 17:45.15 | harleypig | put's on his day-glo flame retardant underwear |
| 17:47.14 | findlay | elg: nope |
| 17:49.16 | elg | pretty good, and yet amusing to watch the actors pretend to know the first thing about music |
| 17:50.18 | elg | you know it's funny, people can fake playing an instrument in a movie easier than you can fake conducting an orchestra. you'd think the latter would be easier to fake, but it's not |
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| 18:09.46 | mrpull | goozbach: I've seen cmsmatrix.org in the past to compare/contrast CMS's... I haven't looked for a similar site for forumns. |
| 18:10.17 | fozzmoo | Forums just suck all around. :) |
| 18:10.37 | fozzmoo | I hate how they suck... all your time away. |
| 18:10.41 | mrpull | fozzmoo: agreed. I follow a couple forums that drive me nuts. |
| 18:10.46 | mrpull | I wish they were mailing lists |
| 18:10.50 | fozzmoo | YES! |
| 18:11.09 | mrpull | but, avsforum has always been a forum and always will be |
| 18:11.09 | fozzmoo | If only more people could see the value of a good threaded mail reader. |
| 18:11.13 | mrpull | and it is the best place for that info |
| 18:11.38 | mrpull | it makes me bonkers that the norm in forums it to have one LONG thread about very broad issues |
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| 18:11.58 | mrpull | with every single minor issue lumped together |
| 18:12.02 | mrpull | you can't search them |
| 18:12.26 | elg | and yet you can't avoid them when searching |
| 18:12.28 | mrpull | the usenet hierarchies worked so much better |
| 18:12.59 | mrpull | goozbach: I'll be darned, there is a forummatrix.org |
| 18:13.09 | mrpull | lots of compare and contrast goodness. |
| 18:16.27 | mrpull | http://www.forummatrix.org/compare/phpBB+SMF |
| 18:16.54 | goozbach | like it |
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| 18:29.54 | elg | confirms that he is, indeed, crazy |
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| 18:31.06 | elg | good thing there's lunch. |
| 18:39.40 | goozbach | lunch! eat an egg http://www.iloveegg.com/egg_english.htm |
| 18:51.01 | Sargun | I hate ATI-drivers |
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| 19:02.01 | Lakshmi1234 | hi xbmodder |
| 19:02.09 | xbmodder | hi |
| 19:02.11 | xbmodder | waitup. |
| 19:02.13 | xbmodder | gah |
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| 20:19.07 | goozbach | #utah, what's the proper way of permantly setting a value in /sys |
| 20:19.22 | Sargun | local.start |
| 20:19.25 | Sargun | ;-P |
| 20:20.02 | goozbach | I found this page about the fingerprint reader which becomes hot: http://preview.tinyurl.com/6dvxum |
| 20:20.37 | Tene | goozbach: sysctl.conf |
| 20:20.47 | Sargun | Tene, that's /proc/sys |
| 20:21.07 | Tene | oh, /sys, not /proc/sys |
| 20:21.19 | goozbach | what's the /sys equiv of sysctl.conf? |
| 20:23.18 | goozbach | I could just put echos into rc.local, but that seems inelegant |
| 20:26.31 | Tene | Well, sysctl -p is called in rc.sysinit. |
| 20:26.44 | Tene | I don't know of an equivalent of sysctl, and there's nothing like that in standard rc.sysinits. |
| 20:26.57 | goozbach | rc.local I suppose then. |
| 20:27.40 | goozbach | maybe I should write one? |
| 20:27.51 | goozbach | or is there a hotplug or udev interface to this thing? |
| 20:48.26 | bugQ | free, web released album to make you smile, or for those with short attention spans: http://www.creation-centre.com/ctrac/ |
| 20:53.31 | Sargun | -dance- |
| 20:53.39 | Sargun | I thought bugQ was a bot there for a moment. |
| 20:54.00 | bugQ | sorry, it did look a bit spammish |
| 20:56.11 | Sargun | heh |
| 21:15.58 | elg | octave, D, or ruby? |
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| 21:17.41 | elg | i'm most familiar with ruby, but it's slower. D isn't too unlike C and I think accessing C libraries is easy enough, and it's fast. octave/matlab is the most common language for this type of thing, and potentially could be faster development though i'm still less familiar with writing real code in it |
| 21:19.03 | mrpull | ruby. buy faster hardware :) |
| 21:19.39 | bugQ | ruby 1.9 is pretty freakin' fast |
| 21:21.06 | bugQ | matlab/octave is horrible as a language, imo |
| 21:21.42 | bugQ | if speed becomes an issue, rewrite it in C/D once the functionality is blueprinted |
| 21:22.16 | elg | i don't anticipate run time to be tooo much of an issue, but it is machine learning and I'd hate for performance to end up being a bottleneck. my laptop is essentially *the* horsepower here, although I could enlist the help of my desktop at home if I had to. |
| 21:22.51 | elg | i haven't tried 1.9, maybe I'll do a benchmark there |
| 21:23.05 | bugQ | learn its quirks, they are quite useful |
| 21:23.16 | elg | octave is slower than matlab, which I don't have, and who knows maybe ruby 1.9 will rival octave |
| 21:23.24 | elg | 1.9's quirks? |
| 21:23.27 | bugQ | ya |
| 21:23.48 | elg | like what? |
| 21:24.27 | tensai | elg: cobol is always the answer |
| 21:24.33 | elg | :) |
| 21:24.47 | elg | actually matlab probably feels closer to fortran than I've ever ventured |
| 21:25.04 | elg | it really is a ridiculous language. however, it does have distinct advantages for numerical stuff like this |
| 21:25.15 | elg | in expressiveness |
| 21:25.42 | elg | but is it worth trading expressiveness of numbers for inelegance of form? |
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| 21:29.13 | bugQ | it's just a different kind of expressiveness |
| 21:29.36 | bugQ | really, the language likely won't be a huge limiting factor |
| 21:29.46 | bugQ | you're comfortable with ruby, so use it |
| 21:30.57 | bugQ | or octave if it's something you'd like to learn |
| 21:33.06 | elg | that's the problem, I'm too accepting of other languages. if only i were set in my ways and afraid to learn new languages |
| 21:35.01 | bugQ | oh no, that's not a bad thing |
| 21:36.01 | elg | :-) |
| 21:37.19 | elg | guess i'll write me a comparison matrix for this application and compare them on paper. then I can blame findlay if I choose the wrong one |
| 21:37.58 | bugQ | neither one is wrong |
| 21:38.22 | Tene | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PkLLXhONvQ |
| 21:38.49 | elg | sure, the wrong one is the one that bores me or gets too much in my way |
| 21:39.09 | elg | but of course you're right |
| 21:39.45 | elg | i suppose honestly i'm going to try to find an excuse to do it in D, then failing that find an excuse not to do it in matlab. |
| 21:40.35 | bugQ | sounds good :D |
| 22:02.09 | levi | elg: Is there something like NumPy for Ruby? |
| 22:02.30 | elg | i'm not overly familiar with numpy, but yes I think. narray |
| 22:02.38 | elg | http://narray.rubyforge.org/ |
| 22:04.11 | levi | OCaml is a good language for doing math, too. |
| 22:46.15 | bugQ | POW! |
| 22:47.02 | unum | I made it so if any of our interviewers try to get get out of our time card menu by pressing ctr-c it says "Nice Try!" at the bottom |
| 22:47.54 | unum | so is anyone in here offened by this -> http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/tyson.asp |
| 22:48.11 | unum | I just don't understand it |
| 22:49.32 | Sargun | wireshark, netcat, and nmap on a server = a a nice box to hack with |
| 22:49.33 | Sargun | ;-P |
| 22:59.41 | elg | unum: offended by tyson or by the idiots who are offended by tyson? |
| 23:06.09 | bugQ | FOR THE SAKE OF YOUR FAMILY, BE VERY CAREFUL WHOM YOU VOTE FOR IN NOVEMBER. |
| 23:07.13 | Tene | ORLY? |
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| 23:17.38 | fozzmoo | bugQ: ?? |
| 23:17.54 | bugQ | from unum's link. |
| 23:19.48 | fozzmoo | I'm offended. |
| 23:19.54 | fozzmoo | Oh wait, no I'm not. |
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| 23:28.45 | dataw0lf | A... a... Muslim holiday?!?! nooooooo..... |
| 23:29.04 | dataw0lf | shoot I'll take a Satanist holiday, as long as it's paid time off. |
| 23:29.52 | Tene | noooooooooooooo, not MUSLIMS! |
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