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| 01:04.25 | levi | findlay: I'm not sure. |
| 01:04.37 | levi | I only played around with maxima very briefly. |
| 01:05.38 | findlay | well, I typed in my fraction and then nothing happened :) |
| 01:05.43 | findlay | I'm sure there's a way to do it |
| 01:06.25 | levi | Yeah, it does a lot of stuff. |
| 01:13.16 | findlay | so far all I've found is stuff on partial fractions |
| 01:35.04 | findlay | levi: you just wait. Soon I'll be the maxima master :-) |
| 01:35.27 | levi | Wow, ghc is moving away from darcs. |
| 01:35.42 | findlay | why? |
| 01:35.43 | levi | I guess that's the death knell for darcs. |
| 01:36.40 | levi | Heh, their wiki page about it references hans' Darcs vs. Mercurial blog posts. |
| 01:36.47 | levi | http://hackage.haskell.org/trac/ghc/wiki/DarcsEvaluation |
| 01:37.56 | findlay | cool |
| 01:38.12 | findlay | elg is now infamously part of history |
| 01:38.15 | bugQ[foods] | findlay: factor() seems to work fine |
| 01:38.23 | findlay | bugQ[foods]: cool |
| 01:38.48 | findlay | sure, go and change your nick before I can respond |
| 01:39.01 | bugQ | hee, it caught my nick filter anyway |
| 01:43.24 | bugQ | http://sagemath.org/ is quite handy for trying out CAS's |
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| 03:01.50 | findlay | ugh |
| 03:02.06 | findlay | I hate math classes with computer problems assigned |
| 03:02.22 | findlay | when I take a math class I expect to do math, not fight with the computer |
| 03:02.30 | findlay | and that includes calculators |
| 03:04.04 | sontek | I hate computer classes when math problems are assigned! |
| 03:04.08 | sontek | Grr |
| 03:04.35 | findlay | sontek: want to trade? |
| 03:04.54 | findlay | I hope this guy at least lets me do the computer problems with octave or maxima |
| 03:08.29 | sontek | findlay: lets do it! |
| 03:08.48 | findlay | awesome! |
| 03:12.08 | levi | findlay: What does it suggest using? |
| 03:13.14 | findlay | levi: I just read over the guy's web page and it seems to imply maple |
| 03:13.33 | findlay | he seems pretty laid back, so I don't think octave will be a problem |
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| 03:36.14 | levi | I understand maple is nice, if you buy it. |
| 03:36.20 | levi | I believe a friend of mine works for them. |
| 03:40.28 | findlay | probably doesn't work on linux |
| 03:42.53 | sontek | WHAT?! doesn't work on linux?! BURN THEM |
| 03:43.23 | sontek | I'm going to start an organization like PETA but against hardware/software vendors that don't test on Linux! |
| 03:43.32 | sontek | PC Cruelty! |
| 03:46.02 | Tene | I'm pretty sure it does. |
| 03:47.17 | Sargun | lol |
| 03:48.04 | Tene | Yes, they have a linux version and a 64-bit linux version. |
| 03:54.32 | findlay | Tene: well, I'm sure I can get by without it :) |
| 03:57.31 | findlay | still, though cas assignments are for engineers ant other sorts of people who don't care to actually learn the mathematics |
| 03:58.11 | Sargun | Computer Algebra Systems! |
| 03:58.18 | Sargun | findlay, What are you looking for? |
| 03:58.26 | findlay | nothing |
| 04:22.48 | encryptz | just learned that software for starving students is no longer |
| 04:22.51 | encryptz | sad news |
| 04:23.06 | Sargun | ouch |
| 04:24.35 | levi | How come? |
| 04:25.34 | levi | findlay: Engineers do learn the mathematics, it's just a whole lot easier to use them to solve difficult problems with computer help. |
| 04:26.10 | encryptz | levi: dunno. was looking for cds with oss software to hand out to students, and noticed the site saying it is now defunct |
| 04:26.54 | tensai | note to web developers: when displaying form values read from a database, do not print the password. just because the field is starred out in your browser, doesn't make it OK. |
| 04:27.22 | levi | Most engineering math is the sort of thing that lends itself to numerical methods, and numerical methods are expecially suited to computers. |
| 04:27.46 | Sargun | Have you looked at SAGE |
| 04:45.20 | findlay | levi: well, all of the CAS material I've seen in math textbooks always seemed so contrived |
| 04:45.50 | findlay | the last thing I want while trying to understand concepts is to have to feed numbers to a black box |
| 04:50.12 | findlay | just so they can say "we're an education-2.0 book!" |
| 04:51.35 | levi | findlay: Understanding what engineers do with computer math tools from textbook exercises is unlikely. |
| 04:52.29 | levi | findlay: embedded.com has a lot of articles that make use of math and matlab or some similar tool to figure out signal filters and the like. |
| 04:52.54 | levi | Most math textbook exercises are pretty contrived to begin with. |
| 04:53.00 | levi | Anyway, g'night, I'm going to bed. |
| 04:53.11 | Sargun | night |
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| 05:56.12 | Culomatic | hi |
| 05:56.30 | bonez45 | Culomatic: do you know how to resolve Kernel Panic issues? |
| 06:00.58 | bonez45 | is it just yo and me, Culomatic? |
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| 06:12.59 | findlay | and then they both left |
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| 08:11.53 | Tene | Any ideas on allowing ssh access to a user account without asking for a password without using keys? |
| 08:12.00 | Tene | Just open an ssh account to the world? |
| 08:17.52 | nick125 | Why does that sound like a bad idea? |
| 08:18.46 | Tene | It might be. |
| 08:19.01 | Tene | I've seen people do it before, though, and I can't seem to get pam set up right to do it. |
| 08:19.27 | Tene | In this case, I have the shell set up to run another application directly. |
| 08:24.49 | Tene | Oh, if I delete the hash from /etc/shadow and turn on PermitEmptyPasswords in sshd_config, it works. |
| 08:25.31 | Tene | nick125: hax@pleasedieinafire.net if you think you can cause trouble with that. |
| 08:25.43 | nick125 | lol |
| 08:25.46 | Tene | If you can manage it, I'd be glad to hear and I'll turn it off again. |
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| 14:17.39 | goozbach | ~get birthday cake for goozbach |
| 14:17.40 | ibot | ACTION fetches birthday cake for goozbach |
| 14:17.43 | goozbach | yay! |
| 14:20.11 | levi | ~birthday goozbach |
| 14:20.11 | ibot | ACTION Happy Birthday to you, Happy birthday to you!, HAPPY BIRTHDAY DEEEAARR goozbach, Happy Birthday toooo yoooou! |
| 14:20.45 | goozbach | ibot_: what's with the tail? |
| 14:20.56 | goozbach | did we already play "pin the tail on the ibot?" |
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| 14:21.36 | goozbach | yay! |
| 14:21.44 | goozbach | I wanna go to Hawaii |
| 14:21.50 | elg | you have my permssion |
| 14:21.53 | goozbach | Hooray! |
| 14:22.03 | goozbach | I wanna go to Hawaii |
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| 14:24.29 | levi | goozbach: The aiport is ----> that way. |
| 14:31.37 | herlo-lap | goozbach: ping |
| 14:32.25 | herlo-lap | points goozbach to the email he probably just received at neverblock.com... |
| 14:32.42 | herlo-lap | nm |
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| 14:33.35 | goozbach | herlo-lap: yeah saw it |
| 14:33.52 | herlo-lap | goozbach: lamont fixed it though (or you did) so thank you nevermind |
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| 14:46.58 | elg | is utterly dumbfounded by the previews of the clone wars "movie" |
| 14:47.17 | elg | i've seen video games that looked better |
| 14:47.26 | elg | and i don't even play many video games |
| 14:48.09 | Sargun_screen | haha |
| 14:48.15 | Sargun_screen | Clone wars movie? |
| 14:48.54 | Sargun_screen | When I can do video-conferencing on my Cellular phone I know I'm in the space age. |
| 14:49.00 | Sargun_screen | and I think we've hit the space age. |
| 14:49.04 | elg | http://www.starwars.com/theclonewars/news/announcement.html |
| 15:00.16 | RyanE | They look just like the 10-minute cartoon shorts of 'The Clone Wars' that ran on the Cartoon Network a year or two ago. |
| 15:00.21 | RyanE | I assume it's the same idea. |
| 15:00.38 | RyanE | Milk the Star Wars name for some sweet, sweet cash... |
| 15:00.48 | Sargun_screen | Yes. |
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| 15:03.07 | Sargun_screen | The only thing I hate about CDMA |
| 15:03.14 | Sargun_screen | is that swapping towers is painful. |
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| 15:46.51 | ^Migs^ | http://www.cbc.ca/canada/manitoba/story/2008/07/31/greyhound-transcanada.html |
| 15:46.53 | brac | [Man decapitates passenger aboard Greyhound bus in Manitoba: witness] |
| 15:47.10 | levi | Geez. |
| 15:47.26 | ^Migs^ | what a freak |
| 16:13.13 | elg | the comments are sad |
| 16:13.23 | elg | as if metal detectors are the answer |
| 16:13.37 | elg | psychopath detectors, otoh... |
| 16:14.58 | goozbach | what a sad state the world is in |
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| 16:32.20 | encryptz | hello #utah. |
| 16:33.42 | bugQ | good morning america! |
| 16:33.49 | encryptz | :) |
| 16:35.53 | nick125 | is still tired |
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| 16:37.31 | bugQ | who wouldn't be? it's not even noon yet! |
| 16:51.56 | elg | so i (will) have a bunch of wav files that I need to add a bunch of custom tags to |
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| 16:52.49 | elg | i could make a text index for each directory or each file, but that feels messy. is there some way to attach metadata to them? a filesystem, git, or something? |
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| 16:54.23 | nick125_bb | Yeah, a file-based index would be messy...but I can't think of any cleaner ways to do it. |
| 17:02.50 | nick125_bb | The biggest issue in any case is keeping the index synchronized with the filesystem. I don't know, but maybe git does have something you could use..least the file tracking ability. |
| 17:04.10 | ^Migs^ | hahahaha http://www.bordergatewayprotocol.net/jon/humor/images/wowfreak.gif |
| 17:04.30 | Tene | elg: extended attributes? |
| 17:06.36 | bugQ | ^Migs^: heh, "I need help." |
| 17:07.34 | nick125 | yes yes, you do need help...but more help than we can give. |
| 17:07.43 | nick125 | seriously though |
| 17:08.22 | ^Migs^ | I like Marn Thunderhorn myself |
| 17:08.22 | nick125 | What happened to naming your children...normal names? |
| 17:08.50 | ^Migs^ | what's wrong with Grimlock Battleshard? |
| 17:09.02 | nick125 | a lot of things |
| 17:09.17 | ^Migs^ | #1 It sounds cool |
| 17:09.27 | ^Migs^ | #2 The kid will play tons of D&D |
| 17:10.04 | ^Migs^ | #3 He'll probably take fencing classes |
| 17:10.35 | bugQ | elg: git might work http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/v1.5.5.4/gitattributes.html |
| 17:10.55 | nick125 | Ooo....that might be useful. |
| 17:11.18 | bugQ | if you use a .gitattributes file it will be version controlled as well |
| 17:11.38 | nick125 | I'm thinking there might be a higher-level interface |
| 17:11.56 | bugQ | sure, write a script |
| 17:12.12 | bugQ | well, there is git-check-attr |
| 17:13.28 | ^Migs^ | http://gawker.com/5031545/vh1-hepatitis-bus-could-soon-be-chugging-into-your-town |
| 17:13.44 | bugQ | oh hm. it looks like it's not name/value, just name |
| 17:14.26 | nick125_bb | You can just put the values as the tags and filter any git tags. |
| 17:16.31 | Tene | why use git if you don't need versioning? Just use extended attributes. |
| 17:18.08 | nick125_bb | that would be the simple way out though...AND WE CAN'T HAVE THAT! |
| 17:20.31 | elg | extended attributes could work in the right circumstances, but I'm leery that it's too easy to lose them |
| 17:20.39 | goozbach | star |
| 17:20.45 | elg | can they be conveyed in e.g. a tarball? |
| 17:20.49 | Tene | elg: what are you doing with the files that might lose them? |
| 17:20.53 | goozbach | using star, yes |
| 17:20.56 | Tene | elg: yes, and rsync will copy them too |
| 17:20.58 | elg | i might do something funny like copy them. |
| 17:21.06 | elg | or let someone download them |
| 17:21.11 | bugQ | jams to NYPC |
| 17:21.15 | Tene | goozbach: normal tar will copy them too |
| 17:21.18 | Tene | --xattrs |
| 17:21.34 | Tene | elg: if they downloaded a file, would the index file go with it? |
| 17:21.51 | elg | well they'd download a tarball |
| 17:22.03 | elg | but what if they don't have extended attribtues enabled? |
| 17:22.18 | elg | or are on a braindead os? |
| 17:22.20 | Tene | What are these files and tags for? |
| 17:22.28 | elg | my research |
| 17:23.55 | goozbach | flac files? don't flac files have some sort of tagging? |
| 17:24.13 | bugQ | or ogg vorbis lossless |
| 17:24.19 | elg | yeah, but i'm hoping to avoid needless cpu on decompression |
| 17:24.24 | elg | if there were some kind of ogg/pcm ... |
| 17:24.59 | elg | these files will be food for machine learning. lots and lots of training |
| 17:25.15 | elg | if i had to decode each snippet for each training presentation... it'd take that much longer |
| 17:44.12 | bonez44 | elg: I just installed ubuntu on a machine which was running etch.. it runs fine, except that, during installation, the resolution was at 1280x1024 but now the highest it shows is 800x600 |
| 17:44.27 | bonez44 | it shows no higher resolutions to select from |
| 17:45.29 | ^Migs^ | http://improveverywhere.com/2008/01/31/frozen-grand-central/ |
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| 17:57.37 | elg | Tene: ok, i figured out how to do extended attributes in linux and osx, but they don't seem to be compatible |
| 17:57.44 | elg | and i don't see any awareness in rsync |
| 17:58.05 | Tene | huh |
| 17:58.10 | jsmith | rsync should be aware of them |
| 17:58.13 | Tene | rsync -X |
| 17:58.40 | elg | my rsync recognizes not -X neither in osx nor linux |
| 17:59.03 | Tene | rsync-3.0.3-0.fc9.x86_64 |
| 17:59.35 | elg | 2.6.9 |
| 18:00.04 | elg | anyay, tar would be ok |
| 18:00.21 | elg | if i could get consistent attributes on both platforms |
| 18:04.08 | bonez44 | any ideas on why my resolution is low? |
| 18:04.19 | bonez44 | when the screen and video support a higher resolution? |
| 18:05.57 | elg | maybe the wrong driver, maybe there's info in /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 18:06.01 | bugQ | I had that problem, forgot how I fixed it... |
| 18:06.45 | elg | might hack /etc/X11/xorg.conf and remove any refresh lines - xorg is great about autodetecting that sort of thing now |
| 18:06.54 | Tene | bonez44: kill X and then run X -configure from the command line. |
| 18:06.54 | jsmith | elg: What capabilities does "rsync --version" show? |
| 18:07.08 | Tene | That will generate a config file for you in /root/xorg.conf.new |
| 18:07.32 | elg | Capabilities: 64-bit files, socketpairs, hard links, symlinks, |
| 18:07.32 | elg | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:07.33 | elg | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:07.39 | elg | Capabilities: 64-bit files, socketpairs, hard links, symlinks, batchfiles, |
| 18:07.40 | elg | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:07.43 | elg | linux and osx respectively |
| 18:08.14 | bonez44 | ok... |
| 18:13.10 | jsmith | elg: What, no ACLs or xattrs? |
| 18:13.21 | jsmith | elg: Capabilities: |
| 18:13.21 | jsmith | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:13.22 | jsmith | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:13.22 | jsmith | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:13.23 | elg | appears I'm too ancient |
| 18:13.34 | jsmith | I'd say... |
| 18:13.49 | elg | i'm running etch here I think |
| 18:14.07 | elg | certainly not unreasonably ancient for a server |
| 18:14.38 | elg | hmm, same thing on ubuntu hardy |
| 18:17.58 | jsmith | My versions of rsync (on Fedora, RHEL, CentOS) have supported xattrs for *years* |
| 18:20.05 | elg | fancypants |
| 18:21.59 | jsmith | That's Mr. Fancypants to you :-p |
| 18:22.14 | elg | ok, installing rsync 3 on both ends i can get attributes from one to the other that way, but not with tar or star |
| 18:22.34 | jsmith | star should work |
| 18:22.38 | elg | don't |
| 18:25.37 | elg | i can't even get it to work on the same filesystem |
| 18:26.01 | elg | though plain tar does on osx (it puts a ._foo file for foo's attributes, and osx just does the right thing) |
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| 18:28.21 | tensai | o/~ chances are your pants are not as fancy as the pair, of very fancy pants that Mr. Fancy Pants will wear ~/o |
| 18:29.01 | goozbach | o/~ when everyone is dancing in the fancypants parade o/~ |
| 18:34.51 | findlay | if the determinant is zero there is at least one zero eigenvalue |
| 18:36.26 | findlay | and the curl matrix is degenerate |
| 18:36.38 | findlay | but the field is conservative |
| 18:37.19 | findlay | other conclusions about rank and null space |
| 18:45.41 | mrpull | http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-knockage.html?ca=dgr-lnxw07l-knockage&S_TACT=105AGX59&S_CMP=GRsitelnxw07 |
| 18:46.43 | mrpull | why wouldn't everybody want to use the accelerometer in their hard drive to tap passwords in morse code to avoid keyloggers? |
| 18:47.14 | nick125_bb | its a matter of time before they have taploggers |
| 18:47.58 | nick125_bb | it would make it harder, yeah |
| 18:48.27 | nick125_bb | but then again, who cares about passwords if they can just hijack the entire device? |
| 18:49.41 | findlay | who wants to tap out full unicode passwords? |
| 18:49.57 | mrpull | heh... is there morse code for unicode characters? |
| 18:56.58 | goozbach | mrpull: if you've got a new lenovo laptop you've got a fingerprint scanner |
| 18:57.43 | mrpull | fingerprints are SOOO much easier to fake that my tap <pause> tap tap tap <pause> tap password |
| 18:58.11 | goozbach | mrpull: combine both of them tap *ON* the fingerprint reader |
| 18:58.48 | mrpull | i can see it now... some odd DJ-like scratching on the fingerprint scanner to further enhance security |
| 19:03.08 | nick125_bb | hahah |
| 19:07.09 | Sargun | hehe |
| 19:11.45 | findlay | if your computer has a keylogger you have bigger problems than passwords |
| 19:23.07 | Jayce^ | tensai, looks like you'll want to be out of town the week before Utos as well as then, I'll be up in IF.. |
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| 19:24.15 | findlay | I find it amusing that the wikipedia page on derivatives of trigonometric functions warns the reader about a lack of sources |
| 19:24.58 | findlay | "oh no, somebody's put in the wrong value for (tan x)'. Whatever are we going to do!" |
| 19:25.03 | findlay | please |
| 19:29.06 | levi | Must... source... everything! |
| 19:29.13 | findlay | haha |
| 19:29.54 | findlay | to do it properly you'd probably have to source Euler or somebody even older |
| 20:03.58 | levi | Hmm, sounds like Audrey is working on pugs again. |
| 20:04.13 | Jayce^ | oh, that's good to hear.. |
| 20:07.53 | levi | Though she's still looking for work. |
| 20:21.30 | Sargun | Anyone here played with LVS? |
| 20:23.36 | nick125_bb | looks out of date. |
| 20:46.09 | bugQ | Title: AMPLE PORTIONS III |
| 20:59.37 | findlay | -chat bugQ |
| 20:59.38 | brac | bugQ did |
| 21:06.15 | elg | -movieplot |
| 21:06.15 | brac | Summary: He's a one-legged day-dreaming cyborg in a wheelchair. She's a virginal green-skinned journalist from beyond the grave They fight crime. |
| 21:06.46 | goozbach | -chat birthday |
| 21:06.47 | brac | birthday is in order to keep cool than Tene |
| 21:14.29 | findlay | anyone else tired? |
| 21:14.44 | nick125_bb | yeah, I am. |
| 21:15.06 | findlay | ~tire nick125_bb |
| 21:22.09 | goozbach | -chat goozbach birthday |
| 21:22.09 | brac | goozbach birthday |
| 21:23.33 | findlay | -chat goozbach |
| 21:23.33 | brac | goozbach had to ask mheath for not knowing what the freak |
| 21:23.39 | findlay | heh |
| 21:23.44 | mrpull | hah |
| 21:23.50 | mrpull | where is mheath? i miss that guy. |
| 21:23.55 | mrpull | i wonder if he ever got married. |
| 21:24.02 | mrpull | good kid that mheath |
| 21:24.07 | findlay | ~mheath mrpull |
| 21:24.08 | ibot | ACTION impresses mrpull into the US military. Serve your country, dang it! |
| 21:24.11 | mrpull | we should lift the ban and ask him back. |
| 21:24.41 | mrpull | ~seen mheath |
| 21:24.43 | ibot | mheath <n=mheath@c-98-202-37-249.hsd1.ut.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #utos, 65d 22h 44m 44s ago, saying: 'herlo: I thought you had Utopia at one point?'. |
| 21:26.26 | Heartsbane | maybe Jayce killed him |
| 21:29.52 | levi | Death by paintball. |
| 21:32.44 | mrpull | i guessing his new wife cut him completely off from the intarweb |
| 21:32.59 | findlay | how'd she manage that? |
| 21:33.16 | goozbach | findlay: using feminine wiles |
| 21:33.19 | mrpull | wives have ways of persuasion you don't yet understand |
| 21:33.25 | levi | I never heard he was getting married. |
| 21:33.40 | findlay | ooh, scary |
| 21:33.45 | goozbach | the only reason I'm still online is that I have a job which requires internet access |
| 21:33.46 | findlay | maybe I don't want to get married |
| 21:33.53 | goozbach | findlay: it's totally worth it |
| 21:33.54 | mrpull | levi: he was engaged. |
| 21:33.57 | levi | Huh. |
| 21:34.22 | mrpull | only thing worse than enlisting in the military when you aren't ready is getting married when you aren't ready. |
| 21:34.22 | levi | Maybe his wife talked some sense into him. :) |
| 21:34.29 | mrpull | levi: unlikely |
| 21:34.32 | findlay | well, I'll only marry somebody sans-wiles |
| 21:34.42 | goozbach | good luck with that |
| 21:34.45 | levi | findlay: Hah. |
| 21:34.54 | goozbach | without wiles? |
| 21:34.56 | findlay | indeed |
| 21:35.01 | levi | findlay: If they don't have them before you get married, they'll develop the wiles later. |
| 21:35.06 | goozbach | what fun would it be to marry them then? |
| 21:35.32 | mrpull | the key is developing countering man-wiles |
| 21:35.46 | goozbach | I think wiles are what makes a man WANT to marry |
| 21:35.57 | findlay | sounds so evil |
| 21:36.11 | goozbach | masculine wiles? I should work on that... |
| 21:36.13 | mrpull | see goozbach... you don't fully understand either! |
| 21:36.22 | goozbach | mrpull: I'm only beginning to understand |
| 21:36.38 | goozbach | maybe you should do a presentation at utosc about masculine wiles... |
| 21:38.16 | findlay | well, all I know is what I hear third hand about how husbands always joke about being constantly manipulated or humiliated by their wives and if that is what marriage entails, I don't want it |
| 21:40.49 | mrpull | findlay: there are worse things to worry about too |
| 21:41.03 | mrpull | but somehow someway it is worth it |
| 21:41.04 | Heartsbane | regardless, if mheath did get married I bet she has a face that could prevent a Rhino from charging |
| 21:41.23 | Heartsbane | k thx that is all |
| 21:41.38 | mrpull | Heartsbane: nah, maybe she is your dream girl... how would you know? |
| 21:41.46 | goozbach | ok that's just mean |
| 21:43.53 | findlay | Heartsbane has this way of putting things |
| 21:45.53 | Heartsbane | maybe its the 10.5 hour day talking who knows |
| 21:46.12 | Jayce^ | Heartsbane, that's why you're going easy, because it's a long day? :) |
| 21:46.28 | Heartsbane | maybe |
| 21:47.13 | Heartsbane | I hope he is happy, but its not like I miss the Marine Corp. stories, or reminding him to take his meds |
| 21:52.58 | mrpull | didn't he join a second branch before bannination? |
| 21:53.05 | mrpull | air force? |
| 21:57.56 | elg | navy |
| 21:58.33 | mrpull | that's right. sub man. |
| 21:58.40 | mrpull | maybe he's piloting a nuke. |
| 22:00.31 | Sargun | Anybody here know how to use CONFIG_VETH? |
| 22:01.01 | elg | VETH? Is he related to that guy levi was stalking? |
| 22:02.36 | Sargun | Possibly. |
| 22:02.53 | elg | vorlath the wise or something |
| 22:05.26 | findlay | so the oil industry's line is that demand is going up way beyond supply and they want us to believe that the only answer is to drill Alaska. I think most people's reaction is "it's about time. Lets finally do something good about the energy issue" |
| 22:06.23 | elg | what do you have against alaska? |
| 22:07.10 | findlay | nothing |
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| 22:09.42 | elg | not that I think drilling in alaska is necessarily bad, it's just that sentence sounded funny |
| 22:09.57 | elg | like "FINALLY we get to drill holes in alaska. at least *something* good came of this oil crisis" |
| 22:10.39 | Jayce^ | hey, we're drilling in alaska now.. some, but it's universities drilling to study the effect of heat on the ice layers..... |
| 22:10.59 | elg | sure, you can drill holes in the name of global warming |
| 22:11.05 | findlay | elg: I mean that people will think that the 'energy crisis' will motivate the economy to abandon oil |
| 22:11.10 | elg | looks for a global warming excuse to drill holes in jayce |
| 22:12.05 | Jayce^ | drills holes in global warming nuts.. ( .223, .30, and .40 sized entrance holes...) |
| 22:12.06 | findlay | and the oil companies will get what they deserve for trying to manipulate the public |
| 22:12.17 | findlay | so my petty theory goes |
| 22:12.19 | Heartsbane | Jayce^: LOL |
| 22:12.37 | Jayce^ | double-tap :) |
| 22:13.00 | findlay | Jayce^: oh you think you're afraid. You just wait and one night the globe will warm *you* |
| 22:13.22 | Jayce^ | gets warm fuzzies |
| 22:13.28 | findlay | heh |
| 22:14.19 | Jayce^ | heads out to create even more of this evil 'Carbon' element... |
| 22:23.03 | tensai | findlay: I hope you're right, and it does seem that some people are accepting that more oil won't actually solve anything |
| 22:24.28 | elg | i want maglev jetpacks |
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