| 00:55.03 | levi | Whee, I have to write javascript to read an XML file and generate a html/css cascading menu. |
| 00:57.02 | sontek | levi: Just write an xslt transform for it |
| 01:05.00 | levi | Yeah, because xslt is so much nicer than javascript. |
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| 01:42.52 | levi | It's a bad sign when the example doesn't work. |
| 01:43.28 | levi | Why bother to include dynamic HTML stuff if you can't be arsed to keep it up to date with modern browsers? |
| 01:44.55 | bugQ | levi: you seen jslt or xsltxt? |
| 01:45.48 | bugQ | what is this? |
| 01:46.22 | levi | It's an assignment for a stupid class. |
| 01:46.31 | bugQ | whee! |
| 01:48.06 | sontek | levi: If you think modifying/handling xml via javascript is just as nice as xslt, you need to be in a room with some soft walls |
| 01:49.20 | sontek | xslt is actually really well done and easy to handle |
| 01:50.35 | bugQ | just painful to code in straight xml |
| 01:51.14 | bugQ | thus xsltxt |
| 01:51.39 | sontek | we have a framework that generates full event registration sites (multiple pages, ajaxified sections, form validation, etc) all from an xml file |
| 01:51.48 | sontek | its created by transforming the xml with xslt |
| 01:52.12 | levi | I'll take your word for it that it would be a good thing, then. But that's not the assignment. |
| 02:23.58 | levi | So, would the latest Safari and Firefox give me a permission denied error when attempting to get Element.firstChild on an XML document I've loaded? |
| 02:28.55 | levi | Ah, with Firefox at least, it's a bad interaction with FireBug. |
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| 03:07.36 | tensai | levi: the apple challenge is pretty silly and pointless, but their 5 reasons for avoiding the iphone are valid. they're the reasons I built a mythtv instead of buying a tivo, and installed rockbox on my sansa. |
| 03:10.00 | levi | Well, you say 'silly and pointless', I say 'antisocial and counterproductive'. |
| 03:10.21 | tonedevf | what it hairy installing rockbox on your sansa, tensai? which model do you have? |
| 03:10.30 | tonedevf | *was it hairy, rather |
| 03:11.00 | levi | And only one of the 5 reasons is completely valid. |
| 03:11.10 | tensai | levi: it's a publicity stunt |
| 03:11.19 | levi | tensai: So? |
| 03:11.40 | levi | That doesn't make it any less antisocial or counterproductive. |
| 03:11.55 | levi | Or the people who participate any less vile. |
| 03:12.24 | tensai | I'm saying the point of a publicity stunt is to be silly and pointless so that people notice you. it's a design goal. |
| 03:13.01 | tensai | tonedevf: it was not hard at all |
| 03:13.02 | levi | See, there you go again with 'silly and pointless'. You don't call DDOS attacks on computers 'silly and pointless' do you? |
| 03:13.20 | tensai | tonedevf: it's an e200 |
| 03:13.42 | tonedevf | ah, same as mine. encouraging. thanks, tensai |
| 03:14.01 | tonedevf | Apple == DDOS attack? i like that |
| 03:14.47 | tensai | I believe he's equating the fsf's apple challenge to a ddos. I say it's more of a protest, which is not quite the same. |
| 03:15.44 | levi | tensai: Fraudulently scheduling the time of all the customer service reps at all the Apple retail stores isn't a protest, it's a denial of service to people who need customer service. |
| 03:16.33 | tonedevf | ah, that makes more sense |
| 03:16.40 | levi | Standing in front of the stores with signs is a protest. |
| 03:16.46 | levi | I'd be fine with them if they were doing that. |
| 03:17.24 | tensai | I don't see why they're going to all the effort of hassling people who have absolutely no say in the apple company line |
| 03:17.36 | tensai | picketing out front would be equally as effective, imho |
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| 03:17.48 | levi | Because they're stupid freetards. |
| 03:18.15 | tensai | you sound so bitter. did the fsf pee in your cheerios? |
| 03:20.09 | levi | I'm just really sick of them. |
| 03:20.09 | bugQ | here, let's take our minds off of the insensitive bastards for a moment. |
| 03:20.15 | bugQ | http://xurl.cc/?3a vs http://xurl.cc/?3b ... fight! |
| 03:22.33 | levi | Ninjas totally win. They have Real Ultimate Power. |
| 03:28.47 | bugQ | well, that was a very productive moment, don't you think? :P |
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| 03:33.44 | levi | I'm still annoyed at the FSF. |
| 03:35.17 | levi | I'm also annoyed at this assignment. |
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| 03:40.31 | tonedevf | what class, levi? |
| 03:41.07 | tensai | redbeard2: ping |
| 03:43.45 | levi | tonedevf: An internet software class from UVU. |
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| 03:48.25 | tonedevf | a class called "Internet Software"? is that just a sampler of all the common web technologies? |
| 03:49.28 | elg | ugh |
| 03:49.29 | elg | http://tvlistings.zap2it.com/tvlistings/ZCProgram.do?method=getDetail&pgmId=EP010398950031&sch=1218290400000&stn=48824&chn=9.1 |
| 03:49.37 | elg | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:50.06 | elg | i don't have the disk space to record 480 minutes of HD before transcoding |
| 03:51.45 | redbeard2 | tensai: pong |
| 03:52.18 | tensai | redbeard2: I was trying to remember the name of "beef wellington" but I figured it out |
| 03:52.45 | tensai | redbeard2: ever had it? |
| 03:53.12 | elg | i watched a paddington bear cartoon episode about it |
| 03:53.15 | tensai | elg: 480? says 150 minutes. |
| 03:53.39 | redbeard2 | tensai: i may have cooked and/or eaten it in cooking school. |
| 03:53.39 | elg | oh? |
| 03:53.47 | elg | where does it say that? i cut and pasted |
| 03:53.51 | tensai | that link you posted |
| 03:54.02 | tensai | "Wed, Aug 6, 7:30 AM Run Time: 150 min." |
| 03:54.32 | elg | interesting. |
| 03:54.38 | elg | must be a cookie thing |
| 03:54.43 | levi | tonedevf: Yeah, and a pretty sparse sampler at that. |
| 03:54.44 | elg | aug 6, is probably soccer |
| 03:54.59 | tensai | volleyball, swimming, cycling, rowing |
| 03:55.17 | elg | even odder, since those events don't start until saturday |
| 03:55.30 | elg | ktsm channel 9 and ktsmdt channel 9.1? |
| 03:55.46 | tensai | appears to be |
| 03:56.09 | tensai | you sure you pasted the same url you're looking at? |
| 04:01.02 | tensai | elg: how big is your hard drive? |
| 04:01.32 | elg | yeah, i tried it without the cookie and I get the same thing you do |
| 04:01.45 | tensai | that's weirdness |
| 04:01.46 | elg | trust me on it, the bulk of the olympics is in 4-8 hour chunks |
| 04:02.07 | elg | it's that way on nbcolympics.com, and now that we're 2 weeks out verified on zap2it |
| 04:02.13 | tensai | I see that. my schedule just picked up the opening ceremonies and it's 4 hours long |
| 04:02.23 | elg | my drive is 250G, but the space available for myth is closer to 80G |
| 04:02.40 | tensai | what's in the other 170? |
| 04:03.02 | levi | Do you have an alternate digital SD station for it? |
| 04:03.06 | elg | music, downloaded shows (lots of doctor who), etc. |
| 04:03.32 | elg | no, just the one. if I had an analog capture card I could get the analog version of the station |
| 04:03.56 | elg | i think i'll set up manual schedules in 1 or 2 hour chunks |
| 04:04.02 | elg | but that'll be a royal pain |
| 04:04.35 | tensai | an hour of HD is about 5G? |
| 04:05.26 | tensai | is glad he upgraded his hdd from 160G to 320G |
| 04:06.24 | elg | 9G if it's full bandwidth, but they have lots of choices for resolution, bitrate, etc. |
| 04:06.35 | elg | thic particular station is about 5G/hr |
| 04:06.49 | elg | (there's a couple SD subchannels) |
| 04:07.14 | tensai | ah, that's right. I get it now. mine must be the same because 1/2 hour shows are about 2.5G. |
| 04:08.50 | levi | You just need a bigger hard drive. :) |
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| 04:10.17 | tensai | my upgrade was just by chance. another computer's hdd died and I had to replace it. the cheapest drive I could find happened to be 320G. |
| 04:10.35 | tensai | I moved the 160G to that computer and stole the 320G for the mythtv |
| 04:11.55 | levi | Man, I keep seeing kids shows about surprise birthday parties, and they're all really depressing. |
| 04:12.33 | elg | how? |
| 04:12.55 | levi | I mean, the person who is getting the surprise party is always completely bummed out about it for the whole day, and then at the very end of the day, everyone throws the surprise party, and that's supposed to make it all better. |
| 04:14.40 | elg | heh |
| 04:14.50 | levi | I'd like to see a show that subverts that idea, like the guy they're going to throw the party for kills himself because he decides that no one loves him. |
| 04:17.16 | elg | or he goes out and spends all his money on presents for himself |
| 04:17.22 | elg | gets drunk |
| 04:17.29 | elg | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:17.42 | elg | anyone know dbus? |
| 04:17.50 | elg | how do I send a dbus message using dbus-send over the network? |
| 04:18.10 | elg | and why is dbus so disturbingly java-like? |
| 04:18.33 | tensai | isn't that what dave smith was asking about on plug? I think he said dbus isn't network-aware. |
| 04:19.03 | elg | could be |
| 04:19.09 | elg | i know little about dbus |
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| 04:19.28 | elg | other than it looks as ridiculously overspecified as java and xml from the past 5 minutes |
| 04:19.47 | tensai | http://plug.org/pipermail/plug/2008-July/032101.html |
| 04:19.49 | brac | [Network based messaging] |
| 04:21.00 | elg | heh. "the dbus guys are working on it" |
| 04:21.14 | elg | that it wasn't designed in from the VERY beginning makes me very skeptical that dbus is worth my time |
| 04:21.43 | elg | you don't build a messaging system in the 21st century without thinking about the network, if you have half a brain |
| 04:23.13 | elg | well, looks like the best thing to do is write a simple network daemon that proxies the dbus insanity |
| 04:23.23 | tensai | I feel there's a jab at php in there somewhere, but I just can't think of it |
| 04:23.29 | elg | OSC probably. I wrote an OSC library for ruby and haven't had a chance to really use it yet |
| 04:23.33 | elg | although others do |
| 04:23.50 | elg | tensai: all true statements contain jabs at php |
| 04:24.30 | elg | i know sometimes authors of software don't still use the software they wrote/maintain |
| 04:24.45 | elg | but to have *never* used it, that's got to be a new level of insanity. |
| 04:25.07 | elg | every time I think I have a good OSC project, I decide not to do it or decide OSC isn't right for it after all |
| 04:28.26 | elg | i've got the desktop all wired up with imms and audacity, and no way to control it from my laptop |
| 04:29.44 | tensai | can you see the laptop? what about synergy? |
| 04:29.51 | tensai | s/laptop/desktop/ |
| 04:36.10 | tonedevf | synergy is lovely |
| 04:36.23 | tonedevf | tensai: just tried out rockbox... how easy is that? |
| 04:36.25 | tonedevf | i love it |
| 04:36.52 | tensai | tonedevf: glad to hear. I'm totally hooked on it. |
| 04:37.31 | tonedevf | so many themes to choose from : ) and instant ogg support. how did i live without it for so long? |
| 04:38.33 | tensai | I need to do a proper review of it |
| 04:38.52 | tensai | I use the voice menus when I'm driving. really handy way to stay on the road. |
| 04:48.24 | elg | synergy could be an option but not a very good one |
| 05:00.33 | findlay | hello |
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