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| 01:23.21 | Sargun_screen | m[4~I eh, |
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| 01:24.42 | bonez44 | anyone here have experience with Adobe CS3? I am having trouble getting InDesign to install and work |
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| 01:29.35 | Sargun_screen | meh |
| 01:30.14 | Sargun_screen | I found out my employer might be victim of corporate esponage |
| 01:31.07 | bonez44 | D'oH |
| 01:39.02 | jsmith-korea | Sargun_screen: Seriously? |
| 01:39.25 | Sargun_screen | yeah |
| 01:39.47 | Sargun_screen | the police spotted someone suspicious at our floor last week |
| 01:40.11 | Sargun_screen | and about 15 minutes after they were spotted the fire alarm went off |
| 01:40.41 | Sargun_screen | this unlocks all the security doors in the building |
| 01:41.47 | jsmith-korea | Ouch... |
| 01:42.16 | Sargun_screen | the security doors were opened 10 minutes after we evacuated |
| 01:42.54 | jsmith-korea | Double-yuck |
| 01:43.06 | Sargun_screen | yeah |
| 01:43.08 | Sargun_screen | sucks |
| 01:43.22 | Sargun_screen | I dont want an audit |
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| 01:45.44 | Sargun_screen | jsmith-korea: whats up with you? |
| 01:46.06 | jsmith-korea | Sargun_screen: Teaching an Asterisk class in Seoul, Korea |
| 01:47.09 | Sargun_screen | kickass |
| 01:48.06 | Sargun_screen | jsmith-korea: have you seen the openmoko phone? |
| 01:48.13 | jsmith-korea | Yeah, it's fun... so far the students are understanding me quite well, and I haven't gotten lost. |
| 01:48.28 | jsmith-korea | jsmith-korea: Yeah, I have. You gonna buy me one? |
| 01:48.33 | jsmith-korea | really needs a new phone |
| 01:50.07 | Sargun_screen | I bought me one ;-) |
| 01:50.35 | Sargun_screen | I wanna make it a sip friend |
| 01:50.53 | jsmith-korea | Shouldn't be too difficult |
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| 01:55.55 | Sargun_screen | I have never written a SIP client fromm scratch |
| 01:57.34 | jsmith-korea | There's no need to |
| 01:57.45 | jsmith-korea | There are *so* many SIP client libraries out there to choose from |
| 01:57.58 | jsmith-korea | (i'd lean towards pjsip or sofia sip if I were you) |
| 01:58.49 | Sargun_screen | Ive had the urge to write a small asterisk peer in erlang |
| 01:59.25 | Sargun_screen | I had fun writing a distributed caching server |
| 01:59.30 | Sargun_screen | in erlang |
| 01:59.41 | Sargun_screen | couldnt make it fail |
| 02:01.18 | Sargun_screen | but * s getting so good, there is almost no reason to do this |
| 02:14.55 | Mellence | Has anyone used the Lawrenceville Press C++ book? |
| 02:16.37 | fozzmoo | URL? ISBN? |
| 02:16.52 | herlo | rsimpkins: ping |
| 02:17.17 | herlo | rsimpkins: it appears the PLUG bbq is on Aug 2 |
| 02:17.49 | herlo | that's what I've just learned today. We made reservations for 9am-2pm, but we don't have another group until 4pm, so... |
| 02:27.50 | Mellence | http://www.amazon.com/Guide-Programming-C-Tim-Corica/dp/1879233916/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1216693658&sr=8-2 |
| 02:28.04 | Mellence | It's the book i'm using in my online C++ class, it's supplied by the teacher. |
| 02:28.15 | Mellence | I was wondering if it was actually good or not. |
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| 02:28.48 | jsmith-korea | Sargun_screen: Actually, I'd love to see more Asterisk-related stuff in Erlang ;-) |
| 02:30.13 | Mellence | The book has mostly good reviews. |
| 02:49.56 | biohazrd | herlo, where is the bbq at? |
| 02:50.16 | biohazrd | I have been looking for a local club |
| 02:50.17 | herlo | biohazrd: scera park |
| 02:50.27 | herlo | details forthcoming |
| 02:51.21 | biohazrd | orem? |
| 02:51.36 | biohazrd | sllug doesn't seem very active.. is it just me? |
| 02:52.42 | jsmith-korea | biohazrd: sllug never has been as active as plug |
| 02:53.09 | biohazrd | i didn't think so. |
| 02:53.11 | biohazrd | I have been watching their website for activities. |
| 02:53.30 | biohazrd | to bad I live up North. |
| 03:05.38 | herlo | biohazrd: yes, Orem. |
| 03:06.00 | herlo | biohazrd: SLLUG is active, they don't email as much as PLUG |
| 03:06.21 | herlo | biohazrd: check out ubuntu-utah as they are supposed to be having a bbq same day |
| 03:06.22 | herlo | in SLC |
| 03:06.53 | herlo | also points biohazrd to http://2008.utosc.com if he's interested in an open source conference (Linux, Firefox, etc) |
| 03:07.39 | biohazrd | I saw that online |
| 03:07.43 | biohazrd | sounded fun |
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| 03:32.46 | rsimpkins | herlo: Yo. |
| 03:32.56 | rsimpkins | herlo: What are the deatils on the bbq? |
| 03:33.07 | herlo | rsimpkins: sent you an email |
| 03:33.48 | rsimpkins | herlo: Do you know where it will be? |
| 03:33.58 | herlo | scera park I think, I'm checking with staff |
| 03:34.16 | rsimpkins | Okay, I'll look up the address. |
| 03:34.45 | rsimpkins | So the reservation is from 9am to 2pm? Is there a start time you'd like to announce? |
| 03:34.47 | herlo | details forthcoming... |
| 03:34.53 | herlo | rsimpkins: probably noon is good |
| 03:35.02 | herlo | rsimpkins: I leave it up to you... |
| 03:35.28 | rsimpkins | Noon is fine with me. |
| 03:36.01 | fozzmoo | this sat? |
| 03:36.05 | herlo | rsimpkins: could do it 12pm-2:30pm (or so), sound good? |
| 03:36.08 | herlo | fozzmoo: Aug 2 |
| 03:36.08 | rsimpkins | herlo: Who is 'in charge' so if people have questions they can ask? |
| 03:36.12 | herlo | you |
| 03:36.17 | fozzmoo | Got it. |
| 03:36.56 | fozzmoo | heads to Wallow Mart |
| 03:37.14 | herlo | rsimpkins: Pot Luck, UTOS provided the venue, anything else you'd like us to provide? |
| 03:37.41 | herlo | a couple grills can probably be provided from the community if we ask soon... |
| 03:38.14 | rsimpkins | herlo: I'll throw it out in true open source fashion. Open source BBQ at it's best. :) |
| 03:38.36 | herlo | w00t! |
| 03:38.49 | rsimpkins | FYI - Omniture has a new venue they are getting ready we could possibly start using for meetings in September. |
| 03:38.52 | herlo | rsimpkins: give me tomorrow to finalize details about where and when and I'll forward it on to you... |
| 03:39.00 | rsimpkins | It is _really_ nice. They have tables in there and stuff. |
| 03:39.08 | herlo | rsimpkins: they NEED to sponsor UTOSC :) |
| 03:39.26 | herlo | they just don't know it yet o_^ |
| 03:39.34 | rsimpkins | herlo: I think they will be interested, but probably can't get enough cycles out of the right people this year. |
| 03:39.37 | herlo | http://wtfurls.com/videos/534/wife-will-never-touch-a-gun-again |
| 03:39.47 | herlo | that is funny and from fozzmoo |
| 03:40.10 | rsimpkins | herlo: Should I hold off an announcment until I hear from you tomorrow then? |
| 03:41.28 | rsimpkins | That is so mean. |
| 03:41.32 | herlo | yeah, just wanted to let you know the details that I had. Emily wasn't very explicit in her description |
| 03:41.38 | herlo | rsimpkins: but funny :) |
| 03:42.29 | rsimpkins | herlo: I appreciate you taking that on. I'm on call this week, and things are just piling up. |
| 03:43.13 | herlo | rsimpkins: np, talk with you tomorrow |
| 03:43.25 | rsimpkins | I think I'm going to have to pony up and do a meeting one of these months on the sun grid engine. |
| 03:43.38 | rsimpkins | pretty kewl stuff. |
| 03:44.56 | herlo | I thought you had meetings planned out until August, what happened to July? |
| 03:45.37 | rsimpkins | herlo: I had planned on having time to get a BBQ in july, and then had someone lined up for august that has since backed out. |
| 03:46.16 | rsimpkins | herlo: I think for september we are going to have an open night. |
| 03:47.20 | herlo | rsimpkins: sounds good |
| 03:49.08 | rsimpkins | Hopefully we can have it in this new space. Nice tables and stuff in there. Not quite as 'hip' as the other building, but more functional. |
| 03:52.13 | Mellence | Hopefully I can attend this BBQ and meet everybody, since I can't make the meetings. |
| 03:54.23 | goozbach | just got home from "The Dark Knight" woohoo great movie |
| 03:54.40 | goozbach | I've never been so impressed by an on-screen villan |
| 03:55.47 | goozbach | and now it's 5 to midnight, time for sleep |
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| 04:09.37 | herlo | goozbach: yeah? Was thinking of going to see it tomorrow night after the UTOSC Planning meeting |
| 04:13.03 | goozbach | herlo: very worth it |
| 04:19.57 | herlo | yay |
| 04:37.32 | findlay | ~yay |
| 04:37.33 | ibot | Yipee! |
| 04:37.45 | findlay | -chat yay |
| 04:37.45 | brac | yay did |
| 04:37.52 | findlay | -chat |
| 04:37.57 | brac | this is a rockstar |
| 04:40.27 | findlay | -chat rockstar |
| 04:40.27 | brac | rockstar did |
| 04:40.32 | findlay | -excuse |
| 04:40.33 | brac | I'm not sure. Try calling the Internet's head office -- it's in the book. |
| 04:45.59 | Mellence | Facebook is weird...I now have friends I know, but didn't know they knew me! |
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| 05:03.59 | sontek | so I'm shopping for a new laptop on dell and I wanted to buy one with Linux on it (They only provide ubuntu) but they only provide their shittiest of laptops with it |
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| 05:04.08 | sontek | you can't get a good setup with Linux installed |
| 05:04.25 | sontek | the best they have is a 2.2ghz core 2 guo with 4mb of cache |
| 05:04.44 | sontek | Even their low end inspirons have 2.6ghz with 6mb cache available |
| 05:13.07 | sontek | is solid state worth it? |
| 05:15.22 | findlay | better than the plasma state |
| 05:21.00 | infotron | ~rlart |
| 05:21.01 | ibot | drops a baby grand on lnchntdsl |
| 05:22.33 | findlay | -chat ~lart |
| 05:22.33 | brac | ~lart is |
| 05:22.33 | ibot | teaches is the basics, including how to RTM |
| 05:23.47 | findlay | sontek: that's disappointing. Linux is the 'budget solution' |
| 05:26.07 | findlay | better than what it used to be though |
| 05:26.23 | findlay | I predict that soon you'll be able to pick your distro to have preinstalled |
| 05:26.40 | findlay | once there's enough demand |
| 05:30.30 | infotron | GIMMIE |
| 05:30.35 | infotron | ;) |
| 05:34.57 | sontek | findlay: yeah, I think they do that because some of the newer chipsets probably aren't supported in Linux |
| 05:35.07 | sontek | but they shouldn't limit my processor because of OS |
| 05:35.21 | sontek | I want 64bit 2.8ghz with 6mb cache :P |
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| 06:07.39 | sontek | jsmith-korea: have you ever used freeswitch to compare it to asterisk? I've never heard of it until today |
| 06:08.43 | findlay | sontek: ask nick125 |
| 06:10.35 | sontek | nick125: ping ping ping! |
| 06:10.40 | sontek | nick125: read above! |
| 06:12.09 | jsmith-korea | sontek: I'm well aware of it, yes |
| 06:12.10 | jsmith-korea | sontek: (and I'm obviously biased, but if you want my opinion, I'd be happy to share my thoughts) |
| 06:12.35 | infotron | but he might speak with a (lisp) ;) |
| 06:14.29 | infotron | jsmith-korea: I might own two four port t1 digium cards here soon. :) |
| 06:14.45 | C4N | It's time for me to interrupt with an important message.. |
| 06:14.50 | C4N | Utah Is About To EXPLODE! |
| 06:14.56 | jsmith-korea | infotron: Cool beans ;-) |
| 06:15.02 | C4N | --That was a test. Thanks for participating. |
| 06:17.26 | infotron | C4N: do you avoid paved roads because they might all catch fire upon the apocalypse? |
| 06:17.54 | findlay | interesting |
| 06:17.56 | sontek | jsmith-korea: I'd love to hear your thoughts |
| 06:18.08 | sontek | jsmith-korea: even with the bias, you are a pretty good source for all things voip ;) |
| 06:19.38 | C4N | LoL |
| 06:19.39 | jsmith-korea | Oh c'mon... I ain't all that and a bag of chips. |
| 06:19.51 | jsmith-korea | OK, so my thoughts on FreeSwitch. |
| 06:20.13 | C4N | infotron: I try to pick all of the roads under construction.. 0h wait, that's EZ. ;-) |
| 06:20.40 | jsmith-korea | 1) It's not an apples-to-apples replacement for Asterisk. They care much more about core switching infrastructure than about features (things like voicemail, audio conferencing, call queues, etc.) |
| 06:21.10 | jsmith-korea | 2) While technically they seem to be doing OK as a project, my biggest beef with them is non-technical |
| 06:21.26 | jsmith-korea | It's much more to do with the egos of certain members of the project |
| 06:21.31 | infotron | road destruction season never ends in Utah. it only hibernates in stages. |
| 06:22.04 | C4N | LOL |
| 06:22.07 | jsmith-korea | (Well, that and they fact that I find their XML config files a little over-the-top, and this coming from a person who wrote a book in XML in vim) |
| 06:22.35 | C4N | They were redoing State Street in Sandy and I was like WTCrap dudes, you guys have your heads held high like you're proud of this! |
| 06:22.43 | infotron | ~xmllart jsmith-korea |
| 06:23.31 | jsmith-korea | <lart recipient="infotron" phasers="stun"/> |
| 06:28.53 | infotron | blah. nose bleed. brb |
| 06:28.58 | C4N | LoL |
| 06:29.08 | C4N | I think it's funny how he had time to type that. |
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| 06:32.08 | infotron | all done. =~) |
| 06:52.33 | infotron | http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=3766005&autostart=y |
| 06:52.34 | brac | [ksl.com - LDS missionaries called heroes for stopping attack] |
| 06:59.24 | findlay | -chat xml |
| 06:59.24 | brac | xml did |
| 06:59.35 | findlay | -chat XML config |
| 06:59.36 | brac | XML config file again, is there a good job team! |
| 06:59.48 | infotron | -excuse |
| 06:59.48 | brac | The data on your hard drive is out of balance. |
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| 07:41.06 | Mellence | Just a bit ago, everything on my connection reset, and now my sattelite for TV is all screwed up. |
| 07:49.55 | Sargun | haha |
| 07:49.58 | Sargun | Sucks. |
| 07:50.00 | Sargun | EMF |
| 07:50.13 | Sargun | Mellence, Are you near a nuclear testing facility? |
| 08:13.37 | encryptz | http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel/701694/focus=706950 |
| 08:13.47 | encryptz | "masturbating monkeys"? |
| 08:26.03 | Sargun | Wanking Walruses |
| 08:26.29 | Sargun | encryptz, Old news. |
| 08:37.37 | lakshmi | wait wha? |
| 08:40.18 | encryptz | Sargun: eh? |
| 08:40.48 | Sargun | he called digg users wanking walruses |
| 08:41.20 | encryptz | huh? |
| 08:52.57 | fozzmoo | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9tv0SUjQug |
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| 12:51.45 | Sargun_screen | Morning |
| 12:53.54 | Sargun_screen | Volt! |
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| 13:34.04 | levi | Good morning. |
| 13:39.52 | Sargun_screen | levi: How are you? |
| 13:49.53 | levi | Tired. |
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| 13:52.24 | Sargun_screen | Get some sleep |
| 13:56.32 | levi | Hard to do that at work. |
| 13:57.06 | Sargun_screen | I've done that at work. |
| 13:57.22 | Sargun_screen | It didn't go so smoothly. |
| 13:58.05 | levi | Right. |
| 13:58.20 | Sargun_screen | This is terrible: http://www.local.com/results.aspx?keyword=breakfast&location=san+jose%2c+ca&setlocation=on |
| 13:58.56 | Sargun_screen | Take some stimulating medication. |
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| 14:42.27 | Sargun_screen | I've heard that can hel |
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| 14:48.10 | elg | -metar klru |
| 14:48.11 | brac | KLRU 221435Z AUTO 19007KT 10SM CLR 25/18 A3012 RMK AO2 |
| 14:48.28 | elg | hooray my garden survived |
| 14:48.38 | elg | and boy did it. my tomato plant is about to take over the world |
| 14:48.58 | elg | some other stuff is pretty unimpressive, mostly because it was dominated by the tomato or cucumber |
| 14:54.45 | eggyknap | actually got some zucchini the other day, and a real cabbage. It was exciting. |
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| 15:18.17 | levi | elg: What kind of tomato plant? |
| 15:18.38 | levi | My spinach plants are doing well now that they're shaded by the gigantor squash plants. |
| 15:19.06 | levi | And my strawberries are bouncing back after being shaded by a melon vine that's bent on taking over the world. |
| 15:19.11 | eggyknap | Our spinach got destroyed by the quail before it had a chance. |
| 15:19.38 | levi | A couple of our basil plants that looked like they were goners bounced back. |
| 15:19.54 | levi | I believe our garlic is dead, though. |
| 15:19.55 | eggyknap | My kids dug mine up. FAIL. |
| 15:20.06 | eggyknap | (where "mine" == "basil") |
| 15:20.22 | levi | Our cilantro is getting nice and bushy. I'm trying to keep it from going to seed. |
| 15:21.12 | levi | I keep plucking flowers off the basil, too. |
| 15:21.40 | findlay | my front yard has weeds in it |
| 15:21.58 | levi | My front yard has weeds and brown patches. |
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| 15:22.16 | levi | My back yard has weeds and a great swath of brown. |
| 15:22.38 | eggyknap | is in a condo, and doesn't have to worry about such things. Fortunately, gramma lets me plant her garden :) |
| 15:23.13 | levi | I believe the brownness is due to water pressure problems in the wee hours of the morning when I had my sprinklers going off. |
| 15:23.58 | eggyknap | ~movieplot |
| 15:24.13 | eggyknap | Grr. |
| 15:24.22 | eggyknap | elg: want some organ recordings? |
| 15:24.28 | findlay | why not try the great hours of the morning, maybe there's more pressure then |
| 15:24.33 | levi | My sprinklers would barely pop up, and would just kind of trickle water out. |
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| 15:32.45 | RyanE | levi: you've checked your filter, I suppose... |
| 15:32.53 | RyanE | that irrigation water is *nasty dirty* |
| 15:34.11 | unum | we are using XEN for virtualization, but are having trouble running dos programs |
| 15:34.16 | unum | anyone else seen this? |
| 15:34.59 | eggyknap | People run dos programs? :) |
| 15:35.04 | eggyknap | wishes unum luck |
| 15:35.11 | RyanE | Yeah, 'denial of service' programs. |
| 15:36.18 | unum | my coworkers all still program in qbasic |
| 15:36.24 | RyanE | eww |
| 15:36.29 | unum | it has been trying to push them to perl since I started |
| 15:36.37 | unum | s/it/IT |
| 15:37.07 | elg | -movieplot |
| 15:37.08 | brac | Summary: He's a suave Amish stage actor whom everyone believes is mad. She's a sharp-shooting Buddhist pearl diver in the wrong place at the wrong time. They fight crime. |
| 15:41.18 | elg | eggyknap: sure. I just got back late last night and got your email this morning |
| 15:41.39 | elg | that's a digital organ, the rodgers? or a hybrid? |
| 15:42.03 | sontek | Hey, i'm having a problem with wordpress, I wrote a post last night and I went in this morning to edit it, and it doesn't bring anything up after "Posts Pages Links" in the manage category |
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| 15:42.12 | sontek | no text editor or category/tag selection |
| 15:42.15 | elg | here i'll just reply to the email |
| 15:42.17 | sontek | but I can edit all the other posts |
| 15:43.38 | sontek | looks like its trying to diff an autosave with my save and crashing *hard* |
| 15:43.40 | sontek | PHP Fatal error: Maximum execution time of 30 seconds exceeded in |
| 15:43.41 | sontek | /srv/www/vhosts/www.opensuse-tutorials.com/wp-includes/wp-diff.php on line 217 |
| 15:50.47 | eggyknap | elg: yeah, a digital one. Sorry for teh delayed response |
| 15:50.57 | elg | no |
| 15:50.59 | elg | problemo |
| 15:51.48 | Sargun | -excuse |
| 15:51.48 | brac | asynchronous inode failure |
| 15:51.52 | Sargun | -excuse |
| 15:51.53 | brac | Bad user karma. |
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| 15:53.06 | eggyknap | elg: should I convert 'em to wav's, so there's only one file to download? I might be able to expose an apache server on my laptop for you to download 'em, but I probably can't keep it up long. |
| 15:53.12 | eggyknap | really needs server space somewhere one day. |
| 15:53.35 | elg | tar or zip seems like a simple one-file solution |
| 15:53.45 | elg | but whatever floats your boat. |
| 15:53.45 | levi | RyanE: The sprinklers work fine when I run them during the day. |
| 15:53.57 | elg | all my stuff is in ardour2 format, waiting to be processed |
| 15:54.13 | eggyknap | Oh, uh, yeah... that makes sense too :) |
| 15:54.21 | eggyknap | can't believe that didn't occur to him. |
| 15:54.26 | elg | :) |
| 15:54.53 | elg | here, just use my ssh public key to set up ssh access for your root user |
| 15:55.14 | eggyknap | lol |
| 15:57.13 | tensai | just make elg set you up an account on his server |
| 15:58.18 | elg | i wonder what the easiest thing is. i could set up an ftp server, ugh, or maybe something like bittorrent? |
| 15:58.47 | eggyknap | I'm creating an elg account on my computer. |
| 15:58.53 | elg | fugalh pleas |
| 15:59.03 | eggyknap | bittorrent wouldn't be too helpful, since there would only be one person using the torrent. |
| 15:59.23 | elg | obviously it wouldn't be any sort of speedup, but it doesn't require a dedicated server really |
| 15:59.39 | findlay | why don't you just run a fiber cable? |
| 15:59.55 | elg | we could try dcc or sending it over im :) |
| 16:00.02 | elg | (as if that ever works) |
| 16:00.15 | eggyknap | Harness a pigeon to a ... zip drive or something :) |
| 16:00.58 | elg | i'll give an ftp server a half-hearted try |
| 16:02.00 | RyanE | levi: I have to clean mine every couple of weeks or my pressure goes to pot, might help even if pressure *is* lower at night. |
| 16:02.10 | eggyknap | wonders if dcc would work... while installing ubu tu's sshd package |
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| 16:03.59 | elg | wikipedia says gopher could be an alternative to ftp |
| 16:04.00 | elg | that could be fun |
| 16:04.10 | Sargun | hehe |
| 16:04.23 | elg | hooray for dcc |
| 16:04.29 | eggyknap_ | We'll see if this works. |
| 16:04.40 | elg | looks to be |
| 16:04.44 | eggyknap_ | I had to switch to irssi on my laptop, rather than irssi on some far-distant shell. |
| 16:04.53 | elg | :) |
| 16:05.39 | eggyknap_ | notes that his connection to said far-distant shell is now *really* slow, and that it's not really all that far distant (I'm in Holladay, it's in Research Park) |
| 16:06.23 | elg | QoS. You need QoS. hmmehehehemmm |
| 16:06.31 | eggyknap_ | I'll make an attempt to record pieces that more strictly match your description of what you need, when I get the chance. |
| 16:06.50 | eggyknap_ | Yeah, I wish I was still running OpenBSD on this laptop. |
| 16:06.57 | eggyknap_ | I hate messing with networks on linux. |
| 16:07.32 | eggyknap_ | Not that that would take care of everything |
| 16:08.00 | eggyknap_ | once had loads of fun with a few soekris boxen running openbsd from flash drives and using altq to convince people windows file shares weren't really all that neat of an idea. |
| 16:09.23 | elg | i got 8 while I was in utah, and i expect 2-4 here in cruces |
| 16:09.30 | elg | so I'm doing alright actually |
| 16:10.15 | eggyknap_ | Bummer... dcc FAIL |
| 16:10.26 | Sargun | eggyknap, I have 4 Soekrises here. |
| 16:10.28 | Sargun | They're neat. |
| 16:10.30 | elg | oh? |
| 16:10.35 | elg | it says it's still uploading |
| 16:10.39 | eggyknap_ | Sargun: I love 'em :) |
| 16:10.51 | elg | mitm? is someone feeding me country music instead? |
| 16:10.53 | eggyknap_ | Oh, perhaps not dcc FAIL after all. My bad. |
| 16:11.06 | eggyknap_ | lol -- The Achy Breaky Fugue. |
| 16:11.53 | eggyknap_ | as performed by J. S. Bach's lesser-known little brother, Cletus. |
| 16:11.56 | elg | hmm, i got a thing for "Cambridge Who's Who Among Executives and Professionals in Educaction and Research "Honors Edition"" |
| 16:12.12 | elg | interesting in the fact that they don't want any money |
| 16:12.30 | elg | and yet otherwise it sounds just like any other who's who joke |
| 16:12.56 | eggyknap_ | elg: btw... |
| 16:12.57 | eggyknap_ | jtolley@dirk:~$ md5sum fugal.tgz |
| 16:12.58 | eggyknap_ | ef31b993c4cbf040abc9d33a223b67b4 fugal.tgz |
| 16:13.00 | elg | "...shared by thousands... considered by many as the single highest mark of achievement." |
| 16:13.01 | eggyknap_ | In case you're interested. |
| 16:13.13 | unum | I once had a friend excitedly tell me that she had been accepted into a who's who book |
| 16:13.43 | elg | imagine that, my highest mark of achievement and I haven't even graduated or published yet! |
| 16:14.25 | tensai | elg: quit now while you're ahead |
| 16:14.33 | elg | i guess so |
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| 16:15.54 | sontek | anyone know how to tell wordpress not to convert double hypens to m-dashes? |
| 16:16.07 | sontek | I can't think of any time that would be useful |
| 16:16.16 | sontek | for the few times I use an m-dash, I'll use the character code |
| 16:16.28 | sontek | every other time, i'm trying to show a command with arguments :P |
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| 16:21.04 | Sargun | hi Mellence |
| 16:21.14 | Mellence | hey Sargun |
| 16:23.12 | unum | hi Mellence |
| 16:23.20 | Mellence | hi unum |
| 16:23.51 | Mellence | and for anyone else, 'hi <insert your name here> |
| 16:23.54 | Mellence | ' |
| 16:25.29 | unum | foreach($names as $name) echo "Hi $name"; |
| 16:25.49 | Mellence | hey, that was much better than mine :) |
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| 16:27.34 | Mellence | I believe that if Christian Bale does a good job, the new Terminator should be pretty good. |
| 16:27.43 | eggyknap_ | Boy, this DCC is hammering my internet connection. |
| 16:28.53 | elg | batman was ok. i liked batman begins better |
| 16:30.31 | Mellence | I just think Christian Bale is cool |
| 16:31.20 | unum | hopefully he's out of jail soon then |
| 16:32.51 | Mellence | He is out, he got released on bail. |
| 16:32.54 | Mellence | Gotta love wikipedia. |
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| 16:36.46 | eggyknap_ | w00t... /dcc FTW |
| 16:37.21 | eggyknap_ | elg: all done |
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| 16:38.03 | elg | so that's what that button does |
| 16:38.21 | eggyknap_ | heh |
| 16:39.03 | eggyknap_ | elg: Does that file look ok? I have to disconnect from here pretty soon. |
| 16:39.16 | elg | gets a consulting gig offer that he doesn't have time for and responds with a "pretty busy, but I might be able to do *some* bits and pieces, and my fee is $lots/hr" |
| 16:39.43 | elg | i love those. lets you see how much people are willing to pay so you don't underbid when you *do* have time |
| 16:39.46 | elg | so liberating |
| 16:39.55 | elg | and heck, if they're willing to pay maybe I can make time |
| 16:40.18 | elg | the md5sum checks out |
| 16:40.44 | eggyknap_ | sweet. I'll take off, then. Enjoy -- i hope it's useful |
| 16:41.06 | eggyknap_ | Note: a condenser mic is probably not the best for recording a 32' contre bourdon. |
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| 16:42.58 | elg | i wonder why he says that |
| 16:44.29 | tensai | my guess is because he believes it |
| 16:44.42 | elg | -lart tensai |
| 16:44.42 | brac | fills tensai's ketchup bottle with Dave's Insanity sauce |
| 16:44.50 | tensai | mmmm |
| 16:45.18 | elg | i fed some carne adovada sauce (no carne) to my 7.5 month old yesterday |
| 16:45.33 | elg | good thing we had sour cream handy |
| 16:45.44 | elg | pure panic |
| 16:46.23 | elg | it wasn't *that* hot but it did have a bite |
| 16:46.45 | elg | of course he wanted more. babies are such masochists |
| 16:50.26 | tristanbob_ | elg, my baby girl loves lemons |
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| 16:59.06 | Sargun | How long until I have 3 processors in my laptop? |
| 17:02.09 | unum | Sargun: probably about the time I get a "real" laptop |
| 17:02.19 | unum | I had to send my baby laptop back to asus :( |
| 17:02.32 | unum | it won't even get to them until friday, who knows when I'll see it again |
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| 17:03.12 | Sargun | buy a Dell |
| 17:03.26 | Mellence | http://kittenwar.com/c_images/2007/10/05/137943.2.jpg |
| 17:03.29 | Mellence | aww, so cute |
| 17:03.39 | Mellence | I'm a cat person, if anybody can't tell |
| 17:04.15 | *** topic/#utah by herlo -> http://plug.org/irc | Channel log @ http://ibot.rikers.org/%23utah/ | UTOSC discount code POUNDUTAH - 2008.utosc.com |
| 17:08.30 | Sargun | weird... weirdo. :-P |
| 17:11.17 | elg | herlo: does that work for airlines too? |
| 17:12.04 | herlo | airlines? |
| 17:12.07 | sontek | herlo: you should put "BUY ONE GET ONE FREE" on dr.pepper cans like Hogle Zoo does |
| 17:12.14 | elg | so anyone see batman in imax? is it magically spectacular? I can't say anything stood out as particularly visually astounding and I'm not sure what the point would be (other than a nice large screen) |
| 17:12.15 | sontek | then you can help the environment by recycling! |
| 17:12.37 | herlo | k |
| 17:12.43 | herlo | will see what he can do |
| 17:12.48 | JoshH | i did elg |
| 17:13.32 | JoshH | it was good, i'd pick imax over a smaller screen if i had a choice (imax theater in my area, etc) |
| 17:14.28 | elg | well yeah |
| 17:14.45 | elg | that goes for any movie (except perhaps chick flicks) |
| 17:14.57 | elg | but was it particularly imax-worthy? |
| 17:15.36 | herlo | but elg you can see them cry iwth bigger tears! |
| 17:18.04 | elg | :) |
| 17:18.21 | elg | and you can see the girl's facial hair when they kiss |
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| 17:24.17 | redbeard2 | where's jayce? |
| 17:24.50 | redbeard2 | ~lart herlo |
| 17:24.50 | ibot | eats herlo's liver with some fava beans and a nice chianti |
| 17:25.00 | redbeard2 | just doesn't have the same ring to it |
| 17:25.12 | tensai | ~seen Jayce^ |
| 17:25.15 | ibot | jayce^ <n=jayce@office.bluehost.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #utos, 3d 21h 28s ago, saying: 'mt-daapd'. |
| 17:25.44 | redbeard2 | i don't think i know where that mountain is |
| 17:26.25 | tensai | it would be worrying if you did since it's not a mountain |
| 17:27.09 | redbeard2 | if work would let me buy alcohol on their dime, i could convince myself it was a real mountain |
| 17:27.46 | redbeard2 | ~push brac |
| 17:27.47 | ibot | ACTION enlists peno to push brac over the edge of a very high cliff |
| 17:27.56 | redbeard2 | ~shove brac |
| 17:28.10 | redbeard2 | apparently push does not come to shove in here |
| 17:29.23 | herlo | redbeard2: why thank you... |
| 17:29.38 | redbeard2 | herlo! you gonna be around in 15 - 20 minutes? |
| 17:30.30 | herlo | redbeard2: actually, no. But I'll be back in about 2 hours. Me is going out to lunch and has to get his car's expired registration solved |
| 17:30.34 | redbeard2 | i'm about to teach the messaging chapter in the GL120, and i want to demo irc |
| 17:30.46 | herlo | redbeard2: I always just join #utah and chat |
| 17:30.51 | herlo | just don't do it as root |
| 17:31.06 | herlo | join #fedora #ubuntu and other high signal-to-noise ratio channels |
| 17:31.16 | redbeard2 | it never occurred to me to join as root |
| 17:31.23 | goozbach | I'll be around to SPAM^Wtalk... |
| 17:31.24 | redbeard2 | though i have joined as route before |
| 17:31.24 | herlo | I did it once... |
| 17:31.36 | herlo | not intentionally and I was mocked |
| 17:31.41 | herlo | SEVERELY |
| 17:31.45 | JoshH | elg: supposedly, there were some scenes shot specifically for imax, but i didn't notice them or any difference in quality in any scenes myself |
| 17:32.18 | goozbach | I wish the guy sitting next to me would have put away his iPhone |
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| 17:32.22 | goozbach | stupid punk |
| 17:32.28 | goozbach | hellow redbeard3 |
| 17:32.32 | redbeard3 | goozbach: hey! who's a punk? |
| 17:32.55 | redbeard3 | hrm. maybe i should do this in screen. |
| 17:32.55 | goozbach | the punk kid who was txting on his iphone during batman last night |
| 17:33.05 | goozbach | screen sure is better |
| 17:33.07 | goozbach | bah |
| 17:33.11 | goozbach | good riddance |
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| 17:33.19 | redbeard3 | screen it is |
| 17:33.20 | JoshH | at the theater i went to, they said anyone seen texting would be kicked out |
| 17:33.31 | redbeard3 | goozbach: i heard that |
| 17:33.47 | redbeard3 | JoshH: which theatre? |
| 17:33.48 | goozbach | "I heard what you said!" |
| 17:33.48 | herlo | I would kick them out |
| 17:33.54 | herlo | even if I wasn't staff |
| 17:33.56 | JoshH | jordan commons, cricket imax |
| 17:34.15 | mrpull | texting isn't that disruptive |
| 17:34.19 | JoshH | but it was probably just a bs threat |
| 17:34.27 | synic | it is if you're sitting behind someone with a bright screen |
| 17:34.34 | goozbach | I was tempted to break out my treo and turn up the brightness to "flashlight" levels and put it in front of his eyes |
| 17:34.39 | JoshH | dragging someone out would be much mor disruptive than a text |
| 17:34.49 | elg | than A text probably |
| 17:34.53 | jphall | i have no issues with people texting. |
| 17:34.55 | elg | than texting all through the movie, probably not |
| 17:34.56 | goozbach | JoshH: A text, yes |
| 17:34.58 | jphall | talking is another issue |
| 17:35.00 | synic | that's what chloroform is for. |
| 17:35.09 | goozbach | 20min of texting, not so much |
| 17:35.10 | JoshH | good point |
| 17:35.11 | jphall | or letting their phones ring at all |
| 17:35.34 | jphall | synic, does this chloroform smell bad to you? |
| 17:35.38 | synic | hehe |
| 17:36.14 | redbeard2 | speaking of disruptive, that jphall guy sure is annoying |
| 17:36.40 | elg | is he your brother? |
| 17:36.43 | jphall | aww.. you noticed |
| 17:36.49 | goozbach | jphall: it should be "does this rag smell like chloroform to you?" |
| 17:37.10 | jphall | redbeard2 only thinks he's my brother. like jayce^ and sjansen |
| 17:38.14 | goozbach | sjansen, redbeard2, redbeard3, jphall and Jayce^ are all brothers. |
| 17:38.23 | goozbach | that makes so much sense |
| 17:38.23 | elg | heh |
| 17:38.31 | goozbach | and elg is their cousin |
| 17:38.33 | redbeard3 | my brotha from anotha motha |
| 17:38.36 | elg | how did sjansen get roped into that family? |
| 17:38.55 | jphall | believe it or not, sjansen looks exactly like my brother david |
| 17:39.08 | jphall | sometimes i have a hard time telling them apart |
| 17:39.15 | elg | a disguise probably |
| 17:39.15 | mrpull | jphall: your poor brother |
| 17:39.21 | jphall | come to think of it, i've never seen them in the same room together |
| 17:40.05 | goozbach | intriuge! |
| 17:40.13 | jphall | i've also never seen jayce and brac in the same room togehter (other than chat rooms) |
| 17:41.27 | redbeard2 | i was just looking at something interesting on openslp.org |
| 17:41.54 | elg | what is intriuge? |
| 17:42.01 | redbeard2 | in the credits, caldera is shown as the contributor of the original code base, and novell as the current maintainer |
| 17:42.08 | redbeard2 | don't let darl see that |
| 17:42.49 | jphall | oops, gotta go teach. i'll be back in a few minutes to demo xchat and irssi |
| 17:43.01 | jphall | goozbach, wipe that smudge off your face before i get back |
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| 17:43.08 | goozbach | smudge? |
| 17:43.10 | *** kick/#utah [jphall!n=fugalh@dhcp25.cs.nmsu.edu] by elg (IRC demo) |
| 17:43.14 | goozbach | heh |
| 17:43.17 | redbeard3 | hey! |
| 17:43.18 | goozbach | elg: that's mean |
| 17:43.21 | redbeard3 | i need that! |
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| 17:44.03 | elg | -chat my brother |
| 17:44.16 | elg | or not |
| 17:44.21 | goozbach | ha ha! |
| 17:44.32 | goozbach | elg: you killed brac! |
| 17:44.44 | elg | i brought you into this world |
| 17:44.46 | elg | i can take you out |
| 17:45.37 | goozbach | -chat elg! |
| 17:45.48 | levi | RyanE: How do you clean your filter? Just blast it out by turning on the spigot on top of it? |
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| 17:55.24 | redbeard3 | hey, does anybdy want to say hi to my students? |
| 17:55.57 | levi | Hi, students! |
| 17:55.59 | infotron | hello students! |
| 17:56.21 | levi | You should ask your teacher to make you some ice cream. |
| 17:57.01 | redbeard3 | ~lart elg |
| 17:57.01 | ibot | hauls elg up by the scruff of the neck and spanks him until he waddles |
| 17:57.27 | *** kick/#utah [redbeard3!n=fugalh@dhcp25.cs.nmsu.edu] by elg (Waddle this) |
| 17:57.34 | infotron | haha |
| 17:57.46 | findlay | ~waddle elg |
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| 18:01.13 | goozbach | hello dooders |
| 18:01.29 | *** mode/#utah [+m] by goozbach |
| 18:01.32 | goozbach | buhahah |
| 18:01.50 | *** mode/#utah [-m] by goozbach |
| 18:03.26 | sontek | admin abuse!! |
| 18:03.33 | sontek | ~alert the media |
| 18:03.39 | elg | ~lart the media |
| 18:03.39 | ibot | strangles the media with a 9-pole serial cable |
| 18:03.48 | findlay | whatever |
| 18:03.49 | elg | that can only be good |
| 18:03.50 | findlay | lamers |
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| 18:17.05 | redbeard2 | that was fun |
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| 18:52.06 | levi | Mmm, the Art of Noise. |
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| 19:29.09 | Mellence | What is the best linux IRC client? |
| 19:29.21 | sontek | Mellence: irssi! |
| 19:29.35 | nick125 | irssi |
| 19:29.42 | goozbach | irssi |
| 19:29.49 | goozbach | but only if running under screen |
| 19:29.55 | eggyknap | irssi + screen FTW |
| 19:30.05 | sontek | Mellence: for a gui, xchat and pidgin aren't bad, I've recently started playing with http://smuxi.meebey.net/jaws/ |
| 19:30.39 | Mellence | I'm using Xchat right now, and it doesn't seem to bad, but I hate KSirc. |
| 19:30.43 | nick125 | pidgin for IRC...god. |
| 19:31.01 | mrpull | pidgin for AIM+MSN+Yahoo+IRC == good |
| 19:31.09 | mrpull | why have an app for each? |
| 19:31.26 | nick125 | mrpull: bitlbee+irssi+screen |
| 19:31.46 | nick125 | Pidgin just sucks for IRC, imho. |
| 19:32.08 | mrpull | it's not the best, but pidgin meets my needs |
| 19:32.25 | mrpull | I haven't tried bitlbee |
| 19:35.32 | eggyknap | bitlbee doesn't seem to like google talk, though, which is teh suck. |
| 19:35.50 | mrpull | http://bitlbee.org/img/screenshot-mscchat.png |
| 19:35.52 | synic | google talk works fine for me |
| 19:35.55 | nick125 | it talks XMPP, if I remember correctly. |
| 19:36.08 | mrpull | daaang... I should see if I can find MS Chat |
| 19:36.09 | nick125 | mrpull: MS comic chat...hahah |
| 19:37.48 | tensai | maquis: ping |
| 19:38.42 | tensai | I like a gui client. both xchat and konversation are decent. I use them with ctrlproxy on my server so that I never log out. well, almost never. |
| 19:40.48 | nick125 | doesn't get how you can STAND a gui client |
| 19:45.07 | Mellence | I prefer a gui client also, but thta's because I haven't installed any other option. |
| 19:46.16 | mrpull | nick125: that is a ridiculous statement. |
| 19:48.15 | elg | i think i'll build me a desk |
| 19:48.27 | elg | or buy one if i can find one i like (fat chance) |
| 19:55.21 | Tene | I'm with nick125 here. |
| 19:55.44 | findlay | nothing beats stone tablets |
| 20:00.24 | Mellence | Does anyone watch Malcolm in the Middle? |
| 20:02.12 | mrpull | Mellence: I did while it was still on. I liked it. |
| 20:02.34 | Mellence | Dewey has some major problems... |
| 20:03.09 | mrpull | dewey is the only normal one! |
| 20:04.08 | Mellence | He's opposite from normal, but compared to the family, yes, he is normal. Malcolm is a distant second. |
| 20:05.09 | tensai | nick125: I usually sit down. have you tried that? |
| 20:05.46 | elg | levi: the perspective isn't great, but here's them carrots growing in 6" |
| 20:05.46 | Sargun | The trick in UBF was not to start allocating the opcodes in the VM from zero - but to allocate them with loving care. |
| 20:05.46 | elg | http://foton.fugal.net/foto/3004 |
| 20:05.48 | Sargun | hehe |
| 20:06.02 | tensai | I tried irssi and bitchx but just didn't like them |
| 20:06.03 | elg | and the whole garden http://foton.fugal.net/foto/3001 |
| 20:06.28 | levi | Nice. My carrots never even sprouted. |
| 20:06.44 | tensai | elg: are you growing bark? |
| 20:06.46 | elg | i wonder if it isn't about time to harvest them. i'll have to look it up |
| 20:06.47 | mrpull | elg: you've got a lot going on in a small amount of space. good work! |
| 20:06.49 | elg | no, that's mulch |
| 20:06.59 | elg | it's a bit bigger than i thought it would be when I bought it |
| 20:07.05 | elg | the bark, that is |
| 20:07.21 | levi | I needed mulch in my garden. I think that's why a lot of things died. |
| 20:07.26 | elg | mrpull: yeah, with room for improvement. like those two empty squares in the front where my son decided to go digging. :) |
| 20:07.51 | tensai | elg: he needs a potato crop of his own |
| 20:07.52 | elg | if i had been here the past two weeks, I would have pruned the tomatoes and cucumbers and kept them from taking over the whole thing |
| 20:07.53 | mrpull | can you do corn in those square foot gardens? |
| 20:08.05 | levi | elg: My daughter goes digging in the living room plants, and she deposits the dirt on the floor and chairs. |
| 20:08.16 | elg | yar |
| 20:08.17 | tensai | mrpull: yes |
| 20:08.38 | tensai | elg: what's in the bottom left? |
| 20:08.43 | elg | marigold |
| 20:08.51 | tensai | do you eat them? |
| 20:08.53 | elg | it's larger than i thought it would get |
| 20:08.57 | levi | My marigolds pretty much all died. |
| 20:08.58 | elg | no, flowers |
| 20:09.06 | elg | and supposedly mosquitos don't like them |
| 20:09.31 | levi | Someone's been munching on some of your leaves. |
| 20:09.36 | elg | no kidding |
| 20:09.42 | elg | i wish I knew what |
| 20:09.59 | levi | What's that last photo of? |
| 20:10.31 | elg | corn |
| 20:10.39 | elg | and beans, but the beans failed miserably it seems |
| 20:10.48 | elg | and of course the Invading Vine |
| 20:11.01 | levi | We've got some peas. They're not producing a whole lot, though. |
| 20:11.13 | levi | Gah, I've got some Invading Vine, too. I HATE it. |
| 20:11.26 | findlay | how problematic is it to swap hard drives for two different windows machines? |
| 20:12.08 | Mellence | has anyone else had problems with apache not recognizing index.php as an index file? |
| 20:12.19 | elg | Mellence: i hate that |
| 20:12.29 | Mellence | elg: any idea how to fix it? |
| 20:12.35 | elg | such a pain. there's like 10 things you have to do just right for it to work |
| 20:12.40 | Mellence | I don't know apache well enough |
| 20:12.57 | elg | i always have to google it, i don't do it often enough to know |
| 20:12.58 | tensai | I can never remember the fix for that but I've solved it a few times |
| 20:13.10 | elg | i can always remember *a* fix for it, but it never works |
| 20:13.15 | elg | at least, not by itself |
| 20:13.17 | jnbek | thinks REAL hard about DirectoryIndex |
| 20:13.29 | tensai | elg: is your sfg sealed on the bottom? |
| 20:13.33 | elg | no |
| 20:13.34 | elg | yes |
| 20:13.36 | elg | sort of |
| 20:13.50 | tensai | you'd make a great politician |
| 20:13.53 | elg | i didn't seal it, but it's sitting on gravel that's sitting on black plastic that's sitting on probably really really compacted dirt. |
| 20:14.34 | elg | not so compacted that Invading Vine can't grow in it, of course. |
| 20:15.00 | levi | So, it's time to paint the leaves of Invading Vine with RoundUp. |
| 20:15.05 | tensai | what's to the left of the carrots? |
| 20:15.46 | elg | that would be my garlic, onions, and chives |
| 20:15.53 | elg | the one that's doing well is a garlic iirc |
| 20:16.39 | elg | there were supposed to be 4 chives, 4 garlic, and 4 onion |
| 20:16.56 | elg | the garlic and onion would grow real well, shoot right up, and then die |
| 20:16.59 | elg | except that one |
| 20:18.00 | tensai | I harvested my garlic last week. got 30 bulbs or so. they're curing in the car hole. |
| 20:18.15 | elg | how do you know when they're ready to harvest? |
| 20:18.18 | elg | you keep your car in a pit? |
| 20:20.51 | tensai | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Springfield_Connection |
| 20:22.17 | tensai | I found a lot of conflicting recommendations |
| 20:22.33 | tensai | some said to wait until the stalks fall over |
| 20:22.41 | tensai | some said to sait until the stalks turn brown |
| 20:22.49 | tensai | s/sait/wait/ |
| 20:24.01 | tensai | some said to wait until the flower appears |
| 20:24.14 | tensai | some said to just cut off the flower and keep waiting |
| 20:24.25 | tensai | so I just pulled them when I felt like it, which was last week |
| 20:25.41 | tensai | but if you planted yours this spring, you probably won't get any bulbs. or so they say (again with that). |
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| 20:38.59 | mrpull | findlay: if they have the same motherboard and peripherals it could go really easily... but it most cases it is a PITA and an reinstall is easier |
| 20:39.45 | levi | At one point, I had hardware profiles set up so I could boot the same hard drive natively and with vmware, but it was indeed a royal pain. |
| 20:39.47 | mrpull | and with windows activation, it might disable windows even if it does work well |
| 20:39.56 | levi | It was pre-XP, though. |
| 20:41.00 | Mellence | Does anybody ever visit the BYU weather computer? |
| 20:41.00 | mrpull | MS has a tool called sysprep that can help with creating images etc |
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| 20:50.55 | Mellence | I think i broke PHP...removing the package and installing it from source |
| 20:51.21 | eggyknap | wonders if that assumes PHP wasn't already b0rken |
| 20:51.29 | Mellence | it probably was |
| 20:51.37 | findlay | mrpull: :( |
| 20:51.41 | nick125 | Mellence: what distro? |
| 20:51.47 | Mellence | nick125:Slackware |
| 20:51.55 | Mellence | now don't start flaming for my distro use |
| 20:51.58 | mrpull | findlay: are they similar boxes? |
| 20:52.04 | fozzmoo | nick125: You bothered to ask!!!! |
| 20:52.08 | fozzmoo | rotflmao |
| 20:52.15 | findlay | mrpull: what if I just threw in the install cd after swapping the drives and ran repair? |
| 20:52.17 | mrpull | one thing that definitely won't work... going from single cpu to multi cpu |
| 20:52.18 | findlay | mrpull: no way |
| 20:52.27 | findlay | way different |
| 20:52.40 | Mellence | I have never uninstalled something from source, so...how? |
| 20:52.52 | tensai | Mellence: make uninstall |
| 20:52.59 | mrpull | you could image the disk and try it... if it doesn't work, revert back to the old image |
| 20:53.00 | findlay | oto, it may be good for this guy to start over clean |
| 20:53.09 | tensai | and grab your favorite dead chicken |
| 20:53.11 | mrpull | a fresh install is always a good thing |
| 20:53.17 | mrpull | then just move the profiles |
| 20:53.24 | findlay | how do I do that? |
| 20:53.34 | findlay | isn't it just /Documents and Settings? |
| 20:53.35 | tensai | Mellence: this is why they created package managers :) |
| 20:53.45 | findlay | or whatever the path is |
| 20:54.19 | mrpull | what version of windows? I think XP has a profile migration tool built in. |
| 20:54.25 | tensai | findlay: C:\Viruses and Worms |
| 20:54.31 | findlay | they're both xp |
| 20:54.51 | findlay | mrpull: the only thing I'm worried about is that the product key won't work |
| 20:55.06 | mrpull | if it is on a domain and the profile is on the domain, you just need to rejoin the domain and login |
| 20:55.19 | findlay | I wish |
| 20:55.20 | mrpull | (assuming your user keeps everything where he should) |
| 20:55.31 | tensai | and if the domain is set to roaming |
| 20:55.36 | tensai | er, profile |
| 20:55.39 | mrpull | product keys are always a pain in the neck. |
| 20:55.57 | Mellence | tensai: I couldn't find a package for the latest version, until after it was too late. |
| 20:56.10 | mrpull | it's good to have volume licenses to make that easier |
| 20:56.51 | tensai | is there a way do deactivate an XP/Vista install? or does one have to beg Microsoft for that? |
| 20:58.12 | mrpull | tensai: I believe there is a small amount of leniency... but failing that you call and beg |
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| 21:00.09 | Tene | looks up rspec |
| 21:00.32 | Tene | Ew. Trashy fake "DSL" cruft. |
| 21:00.34 | Tene | Get it off! |
| 21:02.44 | sinuhe | What is the opinion of those here regarding logging (such as with a chat room, etc.) and the ethics around privacy? I have a friend who is upset that I autolog everything, from email to IRC/IM sessions, etc. He thinks I'm invading his privacy in the same way that logging a phone conversation without permission would be. |
| 21:03.19 | Mellence | Do yo have to configure apache to recognize php? |
| 21:03.27 | findlay | sinuhe: I disagree |
| 21:03.34 | findlay | I log every channel I join |
| 21:03.59 | sinuhe | I log everything electronic. |
| 21:04.05 | findlay | sinuhe: but if it's just an IM conversation, that's more private and more easily negotiable |
| 21:04.07 | sinuhe | It is autoconfigured that way |
| 21:04.43 | findlay | sinuhe: the FBI logs everything. I'm sure they have autoconfigured |
| 21:04.53 | findlay | s// it/ |
| 21:06.02 | sinuhe | I've always seen it as if the message is directed at me, or is in a public forum, I have the right to log it without saying anything, both from ethics and from a propriety sense. If it is a personal phone conversation, CCing email traffic through a server, having a tape recorder in a one on one conversation, *then* I could see the issue. |
| 21:06.42 | Mellence | httpd: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.0.1 for ServerName |
| 21:06.45 | sinuhe | I guess my argument is based on the same sense as a letter. If someone writes me a letter, I don't throw it away when I'm done. I keep it, but if it was a personal letter I just don't show it to anyone. |
| 21:06.57 | Mellence | I can't find where to fix that error in httpd.conf |
| 21:07.16 | Mellence | I think it should be obvious, but I don't know. |
| 21:09.57 | mrpull | Mellence: apache tries to do a reverse lookup of your machine's IP address to figure out what it should call itself. |
| 21:10.17 | mrpull | you probably want to put some hostname after the ServerName directive and make sure the same is in your hosts file |
| 21:10.38 | findlay | sinuhe: yes, I know, I was trying to make fun of the FBI about how they may try to justify their grossly illegal behavior |
| 21:11.34 | findlay | to me, words spoken on a public channel is as good as put on the web and indexed by search engines |
| 21:11.47 | JoshH | you know findlay, i'm really starting to question your patriotism and loyalty |
| 21:11.52 | findlay | some people disagree with that |
| 21:12.06 | findlay | JoshH: what was that, comrade? |
| 21:12.07 | findlay | L) |
| 21:12.11 | JoshH | oh, nothing |
| 21:12.13 | findlay | s/L/;/ |
| 21:12.24 | tensai | ~echelon fodder |
| 21:12.25 | ibot | i heard echelon fodder is Bush, Uranium, Dirty Bomb, Jihad, Allah Akbar, TNT, Rent a van, assassination , NSA, wiretaps, sleeper cell, suicide bomb, vest, Oklahoma City, Waco, revenge, anthrax, virgins, fuse, great celebration, July 4th, detcord, martyr, timer, backpack, subway. Ruby Ridge |
| 21:12.48 | tensai | findlay: that should hold them while you hide |
| 21:12.56 | findlay | haha |
| 21:13.00 | JoshH | they automatically filter the chaff now |
| 21:13.34 | tensai | JoshH: yeah, they filter them all onto the no-fly list |
| 21:13.45 | tensai | 1,000,000+ and growing |
| 21:13.54 | findlay | wow |
| 21:14.13 | findlay | to just think that there are 1000000+ suicide bombers in the US |
| 21:15.05 | JoshH | well some of them are just hijackers who want money i'm sure |
| 21:15.33 | findlay | no way. Once a terrorist, you're a potential next Osama |
| 21:15.39 | tensai | and I'm sure some just looked at somebody the wrong way, but at least we're all safe |
| 21:16.06 | findlay | once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny |
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| 21:17.18 | tensai | sinuhe: back to your original question, I'm pretty sure you're well within your legal rights. whether it's ethical or not is a big debate. |
| 21:17.47 | sinuhe | findlay: I think it applies to private messages, too. I get letters from close friends around the world. I would find it the oddest thing to have one of them get upset for me saving their letters (they are in a locked file cabinet). |
| 21:17.50 | tensai | if you recall the senate page scandal a while back, that was because the victims recorded their IM conversations |
| 21:17.57 | sinuhe | tensai: My question is around the ethics, not my right. |
| 21:18.16 | Tene | sinuhe: recording a phone conversation that you are a part of is not a problem. Why would it be? |
| 21:18.35 | findlay | sinuhe: yes, I agree. I guess I was thinking about whether the conversation was stored for you by a third party |
| 21:18.38 | tensai | Tene: some states require you to gain permission of the other party |
| 21:19.00 | tensai | when what's her name recorded monica lewinski, that was against the law of whatever state she was in |
| 21:19.19 | sinuhe | findlay: I'm thinking purely in terms of personal correspondence, public or private. |
| 21:19.25 | Tene | I don't see law as having any particular bearing on morality. |
| 21:19.49 | sinuhe | Now if I took one of my letters, and published it without permission, or exposed personal exchanges, I can see the ethics of that being a problem. |
| 21:19.52 | Mellence | well, i uninstalled PHP, and reinstalled with a package, and got Apache running |
| 21:19.53 | sinuhe | Tene: I agree. |
| 21:20.07 | Mellence | it redirects to index.php, but doesn't recognize any of the php code |
| 21:20.22 | sinuhe | However, I always GPG encrypt old data like that, and current data is always read only to me. |
| 21:21.46 | levi | This sounds similar to the debate elg and I had about what 'recording' means in digital vs. analog TV. |
| 21:21.51 | Tene | sinuhe: you gpg encrypt letters? |
| 21:22.11 | tensai | people seem to treat phone and internet communication as more ephemeral than dead tree communication. they somehow expect it to just disappear into the ether. |
| 21:22.15 | sinuhe | Tene: If I think there is something personal in them that the sender would be worried about, yes. |
| 21:22.56 | sinuhe | tensai: A phone conversation I can see. Maybe that's where my shock is with this, as I would never have thought that would be the assumption. |
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| 21:24.16 | Tene | sinuhe: if I mailed you a physical letter, with ink and paper, you would gpg encrypt it? |
| 21:24.17 | findlay | sinuhe: I think that if there is a 3rd party involved it will complicate the issue |
| 21:25.06 | sinuhe | Tene: what? Of course not (unless I scanned it) |
| 21:25.25 | sinuhe | findlay: You mean like this IRC channel? |
| 21:26.34 | findlay | sinuhe: irc is public |
| 21:26.39 | findlay | not private |
| 21:26.40 | levi | From what I've read about telephone recording, the ethical dilemma stems from the fact that it is unusual for phone calls to be recorded, so it is deceptive to record them without notification. |
| 21:27.03 | sinuhe | findlay: How about a private IM channel with three people? |
| 21:27.13 | Tene | What is the ethical difference between, say, recording a phone call and remembering it? |
| 21:27.14 | sinuhe | (I personally don't see the difference.) |
| 21:27.25 | sinuhe | Tene: exactly. |
| 21:27.28 | levi | And it seems to have developed mostly in the sphere of lawyers and reporters recording things. |
| 21:27.29 | findlay | sinuhe: it's a matter of (dis)agreement between those 3 people |
| 21:27.47 | findlay | sinuhe: right there is no difference, you just have less people participating |
| 21:27.53 | levi | Tene: Expectations are what's different. |
| 21:28.22 | sinuhe | levi: I would blame most expectations as being a problem, then. |
| 21:29.01 | findlay | sinuhe: but if somebody's concerned about what they say being recorded, it's their fault for not checking before participating |
| 21:29.03 | sontek | All i've ate today is those goldfish cracker things |
| 21:29.09 | sontek | i'm a little hungry |
| 21:29.10 | sinuhe | For instance, I guess I could script my IRC sessions to automatically exclude that one user name from being logged on the one channel, or any private channels, he joins, but that seems like too much effort. |
| 21:29.26 | Tene | Why would someone be concerned about being recorded, though? |
| 21:29.39 | findlay | Tene: some people are, evidently |
| 21:29.59 | sinuhe | findlay: This is a friend who considers it an assault on our friendship, something that took me off guard. If it wasn't a friend, I would basically say live with it, or don't talk with me. |
| 21:30.31 | sinuhe | Tene: He feels it is an assault on his privacy to be recorded as a general rule without permission. He sees it as being spied on. |
| 21:30.37 | Tene | ... |
| 21:30.51 | sinuhe | Recorded in a chat room conversation, private or public. |
| 21:30.55 | findlay | sinuhe: I think it's something between you and him that you together have to work out |
| 21:31.00 | Tene | That's really weird to me. |
| 21:31.37 | Tene | I'm surprised when people *don't* keep records around. |
| 21:31.43 | sinuhe | findlay: Clearly. I will probably find a way to exclude his comments from conversations, but when I get around to it. |
| 21:32.04 | sinuhe | Tene: That's how I feel. Of course, he feels it is really weird that I would want to keep a record of electronic correspondance. |
| 21:32.24 | findlay | sinuhe: basically that there's no 'right' answer :) |
| 21:32.37 | levi | There's no expectation in electronic communication that you're *not* going to be recorded. Your words are recorded by default, and it's only by your correspondent's active choice that they can be deleted. |
| 21:33.13 | levi | It is by no means unethical to keep those digital words instead of actively deleting them. |
| 21:33.34 | sinuhe | findlay: Freaking geeks. They have to be so philosophically gray! :-) |
| 21:33.36 | findlay | levi: I think that's a little of an exaggeration |
| 21:33.44 | levi | findlay: How so? |
| 21:33.47 | Tene | I don't. |
| 21:33.56 | sinuhe | levi: That's my thought. |
| 21:34.09 | findlay | irc, for example, is not necessarily written to disk, unless the config ships defaulted that way |
| 21:34.11 | tensai | it might be wise to delete them though. keeping them around involves some non-zero cost. |
| 21:34.22 | findlay | and then it's the package maintainer making the decision |
| 21:35.02 | findlay | levi: unless you think that stuff in RAM is 'recorded by default' |
| 21:35.10 | levi | findlay: Whether they're written to disk or not is irrelevant. The words are transmitted to you in a stable, non-ephemeral form. |
| 21:35.25 | findlay | stable, yes, ephemeral, yes |
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| 21:35.42 | levi | findlay: The volatilty of RAM is an irrelevant technical detail. |
| 21:35.43 | findlay | RAM is ephemeral. I don't understand how you can construe it otherwise |
| 21:35.55 | findlay | volatility == ephemeral |
| 21:36.13 | levi | RAM is not NECESSARILY volatile, that's just how it tends to be implemented now. |
| 21:36.21 | findlay | ah, you're right |
| 21:36.22 | levi | Because it's cheaper that way. |
| 21:37.09 | levi | Early RAM, such as core memory, was non-volatile. |
| 21:37.36 | mrpull | whoa... VMWare is going to give away ESX 3i? |
| 21:37.45 | findlay | but a lot of stuff IS discarded by default |
| 21:37.47 | sinuhe | I think findlay is right about one thing, however. Dealing with the complaint on a case by case basis is an important thing. It is a given that electronic logs are normal, such as saving email. However, I see that as making exceptions for specific reasons. |
| 21:38.37 | levi | Also, some computer systems have been designed with full data persistence, such that RAM is merely a cache for the persistent store. |
| 21:38.57 | sinuhe | I'm going to have some interesting logs when he comes in to a chat room, with his comments missing. I'll be speaking with an electronic ghost. :-) |
| 21:40.13 | Tene | sinuhe: I'm concerned that you might not be logging all of my conversation well enough. |
| 21:40.29 | levi | I don't believe that anyone who corresponds via electronic means has any right to determine what you do with correspondence he sends to you. He may ask that you not keep them, but it would be up to you whether you do or not. Though it would be unethical to say that you wouldn't keep them and then do it anyway. |
| 21:40.41 | Tene | sinuhe: I'd prefer you to ensure that all of your logs of me have at least one geographically redundant backup. |
| 21:41.31 | sinuhe | Tene: All of your IRC and IM sessions, and emails I receive from you have always been logged. Is there something else I've missed? :-) Backups are three fold, one that I try and keep across country. |
| 21:41.43 | levi | findlay: Also, consider the case of swap. If your IRC buffer is swapped out, the conversation will be written to disk, and may perhaps be retrievable through computer forensic means even after a reboot. |
| 21:42.01 | sinuhe | levi: I told him no such thing--I checked the log :-)--but he is under the impression that I did. |
| 21:42.40 | levi | sinuhe: Well, there you go, unless you supposedly told him through some other channel. |
| 21:43.09 | sinuhe | But if I hadn't kept a log... |
| 21:43.25 | sinuhe | sigh |
| 21:45.16 | findlay | levi: but RAM is volatile by nature. By using it as RAM you're effectively sayinng that stuff in this block of memory is not guaranteed to be around for any length of time before it gets overwritten |
| 21:45.36 | findlay | and swap is volatile in the same sort of way |
| 21:49.13 | findlay | sinuhe: I agree with levi, though. If somebody wanders into an irc channel and then freaks out that everyone logs everything that's a little ridiculous and unfair to those who keep logs to have to accomodate for them |
| 21:50.15 | sinuhe | findlay: That only applies, then, to forums which already have a norm for logging, such as #utah. |
| 21:50.57 | findlay | well, that designation itself is a matter capable of question |
| 21:51.18 | findlay | I think that any irc channel automatically belongs in the category |
| 21:53.31 | sinuhe | I follow now |
| 21:54.31 | tensai | my 900mhz phone was nastily interfering with my 900mhz wireless internet |
| 21:54.46 | tensai | I moved the base downstairs and problem gone |
| 21:54.54 | tensai | too bad I don't need this phone down here |
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| 21:57.31 | levi | tensai: Yeah, my wife bought a 900mhz phone, so I had to go buy new phones. |
| 22:09.16 | goozbach | redbeard2: you're in MD, right? |
| 22:09.54 | goozbach | NM it's not happening this week |
| 22:10.08 | goozbach | but there's an interesting thing going on up round there: http://www.umgso.com/about.php |
| 22:12.39 | redbeard2 | goozbach: yeah, in MD, not NM |
| 22:12.57 | redbeard2 | a video game symphony would be kind of fun |
| 22:13.53 | tensai | I think "NM" was "nevermind" :) |
| 22:14.23 | redbeard2 | tensai: that's just what he wants you to think |
| 22:15.24 | unum | I heard one of the songs from the symphony |
| 22:15.30 | unum | they played music from civ |
| 22:15.36 | unum | then I wanted to play civ |
| 22:15.48 | unum | but the "whole" experience looks interesting |
| 22:15.51 | redbeard2 | oh man. now i want to play civ. |
| 22:16.12 | unum | bwhahaha |
| 22:22.32 | findlay | freeciv! |
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| 22:31.35 | brasto | hey guys, s/string1/string2/g replaces the first instance of string1 per line in a file with sting2, but what does s/string1/string2/gi do? |
| 22:32.02 | tensai | case insensitive match on string1, iirc |
| 22:33.14 | brasto | cool, that's what i was guessing, but i wasn't sure |
| 22:33.20 | tensai | btw, /g means to replace all instances of string1, not just the first one |
| 22:33.25 | brasto | tx Tens |
| 22:33.30 | brasto | tx tensai |
| 22:34.52 | brasto | tensai: isn't it the first instance per line, but it starts over each line? |
| 22:35.07 | tensai | that's how it works without /g |
| 22:35.45 | tensai | try this out |
| 22:35.50 | tensai | echo foofoofoo |perl -lnpe 's/foo/bar/' |
| 22:35.56 | tensai | echo foofoofoo |perl -lnpe 's/foo/bar/g' |
| 22:39.10 | brasto | interesting... does is it the same with bash as with perl, tensai? |
| 22:39.55 | findlay | I believe g and i are posix options |
| 22:40.20 | findlay | the main realms in the world of regular expressions are posix and pcre |
| 22:40.50 | findlay | wishes everybody would use pcre or at least posix |
| 22:41.12 | tensai | pcre ftw! |
| 22:41.23 | brasto | ~ftw |
| 22:41.24 | ibot | hmm... ftw is wtf backwards, or for the win, or for the win |
| 22:41.53 | tensai | ibot: no, ftw is for the win |
| 22:41.54 | ibot | tensai: okay |
| 22:41.56 | findlay | brasto: by 'posix options' I mean that they are common enough to be used by posix. pcre is generally more sophisticated than posix |
| 22:42.32 | findlay | s/used by posix/used by just about everybody/ |
| 22:43.02 | brasto | i believe i understand, findlay :) |
| 22:43.12 | tensai | man perlre |
| 22:44.02 | findlay | perldoc perlretut |
| 22:44.38 | brasto | echo foofoofoo | sed 's/foo/bar/g' |
| 22:44.38 | brasto | barbarbar |
| 22:44.56 | findlay | is that part of a song you're writing? |
| 22:44.57 | brasto | echo foofoofoo | sed 's/foo/bar/' |
| 22:44.57 | brasto | barfoofoo |
| 22:45.19 | brasto | yea, it does have a kind of rhythm to it, doesn't it... |
| 22:45.32 | brasto | starts strumming his guitar |
| 22:45.33 | tensai | note that perl had the same results as sed |
| 22:45.37 | brasto | yep |
| 22:46.00 | brasto | now i get to explain to my students in the morning that I explained /g and not/g to them backwards... |
| 22:46.32 | brasto | won't forget this one again... |
| 22:47.47 | brasto | tensai and findlay, if I do vim's equivalent :%s/foo/bar/ does it only replace the first instance per line? I thought that replaces all instances... |
| 22:48.01 | brasto | starts to put it to the test |
| 22:48.10 | findlay | only if you use the /g option |
| 22:48.14 | findlay | ~tias |
| 22:48.14 | ibot | Try it and see! |
| 22:48.17 | findlay | yay |
| 22:48.31 | tensai | :%s works the same as perl and sed |
| 22:48.49 | findlay | but is neither posix nor pcre :( |
| 22:49.04 | tensai | nice to have at least a little consistency in this world |
| 22:49.11 | brasto | ugh... now I think i see why I have errors in my gedcom file where I did some :%s find and replace options... |
| 22:49.51 | brasto | confirms it in vim |
| 22:49.54 | brasto | yep |
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