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| 00:15.49 | resplin | I'm trying to pick the best smartphone (voice, email, music) for a linux user. I don't want Windows on the phone. I want to make sure it syncs well with Ubuntu. I'm thinking about the Blackberry Curve (Verizon). Does anyone have any advice? |
| 00:17.44 | nick125 | I personally like my Treo, but people have had okay luck with BBs. |
| 00:18.14 | resplin | Which Treo? |
| 00:18.19 | nick125 | 755p |
| 00:18.35 | resplin | Thanks nick125. |
| 00:19.45 | nick125 | If you can get used to extremely small keys, the Centro might be another good option. |
| 00:20.01 | sontek | The treo has the best gnome/gui tools for syncing with |
| 00:20.19 | sontek | but barry is a pretty good console tool for syncing/charging with the blackberry |
| 00:21.20 | nick125 | I don't sync my Treo that often, mainly because of the frustration of timing the button press in jpilot and in the hotsync app. |
| 00:22.01 | resplin | Do you have to use jpilot, or will it go into kpilot/opensync? |
| 00:22.18 | nick125 | I haven't tried kpilot/opensync. |
| 00:22.59 | resplin | sontek: have you used barry? was it a pain to setup? |
| 00:23.33 | nick125 | The biggest selling point of Palm OS is the large amount of third-party software available for it. Not so much on the BBs |
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| 00:25.34 | resplin | Thanks for the advice. |
| 00:26.32 | resplin | What kind of flash card does the Treo take? |
| 00:27.07 | nick125 | depends. The 755p takes miniSD, the 680 takes SD, the 750 takes SD (I think), the Centro takes microSD. |
| 00:34.23 | Sargun | nick125, ! |
| 00:34.42 | nick125 | Sargun: hi |
| 00:34.58 | Sargun | resplin, Do you have GSM, or CDMA |
| 00:35.16 | nick125 | sounds like CDMA to me, if he's talking about the VZW curve |
| 00:35.22 | Sargun | WiFi |
| 00:35.23 | levi | findlay: http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=380 |
| 00:35.25 | resplin | Either. My company uses Verizon but I don't mind using a different carrier if it works better for Linux. |
| 00:35.37 | Sargun | Get a 755p |
| 00:35.48 | Sargun | that has the best linux interoperability |
| 00:36.20 | resplin | Sargun: Thanks for weighing-in. |
| 00:37.35 | Sargun | No problem |
| 00:37.56 | Sargun | Me and nick125 have purchased the same phone for quite some time |
| 00:38.04 | Sargun | so have quite a bit of the Gurus |
| 00:40.20 | resplin | I've always bought the cheapest cell I could. But now my work wants me to have mobile email, so I want to make sure it's a gadget that doesn't annoy me. |
| 00:40.45 | nick125 | resplin: Whatever you do, dump that POS called Wireless Sync the moment you get your device (if you get a VZW-branded Treo) |
| 00:41.18 | nick125 | resplin: What kind of mail server do you use? |
| 00:41.59 | resplin | Private domain hosted at gmail. |
| 00:42.13 | resplin | I'll probably setup zimbra at some point. |
| 00:42.50 | nick125 | Ahh. If that works with IMAP IDLE, you can use Chatteremail and get BB-style push mail. |
| 00:46.42 | Sargun | resplin, Where do you work? |
| 00:47.02 | Sargun | nick125, YT? |
| 00:47.26 | nick125 | Hm? |
| 00:47.33 | resplin | I just quit my current job (one week left of my two-week notice) to start a consulting company with my brother and sister-in-law. We do process analysis for the federal government. My brother and sister-in-law are both crackberry addicts. |
| 00:47.57 | resplin | nick125: thanks for pointing me at imap idle. VZW wireless sync looks scary. |
| 00:48.03 | Sargun | Uh. |
| 00:48.12 | nick125 | resplin: It's quite aweful, to be honest. |
| 00:48.15 | Sargun | Government contractor. |
| 00:48.22 | Sargun | Trusting you, bad idea. |
| 00:48.23 | Sargun | :-P |
| 00:49.42 | Sargun | resplin, you at the IRS office? |
| 00:49.49 | resplin | Currently at the VA. |
| 00:50.37 | Sargun | ah, ok. |
| 00:50.53 | resplin | I'm excited for a more open work environment. I've felt lonely not being able to keep my community contacts healthy (I haven't been around #utah or plug a long time). |
| 00:51.47 | nick125 | Sargun: I can't wait for the NOVA-based Treos. |
| 00:52.49 | Sargun | nick125, Palm is developing a POSIX/Linux based OS. |
| 00:53.04 | nick125 | Sargun: yeah, last I heard, it was codenamed NOVA. |
| 00:53.04 | Sargun | I don't know for what... |
| 00:53.29 | Sargun | I wish my employer would get off their ass |
| 00:53.33 | nick125 | I should have NE2 by the time the NOVA-based Treos come out. |
| 00:53.35 | Sargun | so I can see what they are developing |
| 00:53.50 | Sargun | My employer is supposed to develop a turn-by-turn navapp for them |
| 00:54.19 | nick125 | nice. |
| 00:54.26 | nick125 | for NOVA or...? |
| 00:54.41 | Sargun | I have no idea |
| 00:54.48 | Sargun | we are having some problems with the current customer |
| 00:58.40 | Sargun | Dude, me want: http://www.thehandcuffshop.com/index.cfm?shop_action=view_product&category=279&product=72 |
| 00:59.22 | nick125 | Sargun: uhm, why? |
| 01:00.04 | Sargun | Why not. |
| 01:00.35 | nick125 | I'm curious why you want a $200+ pair of handcuffs. |
| 01:14.58 | levi | I guess he's just into that kind of stuff. :P |
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| 01:21.16 | Sargun | lol |
| 01:21.26 | Mellence | Does anyone have a problem with restoring a session in Firefox 3? |
| 01:21.39 | Mellence | Where it runs like crap |
| 01:21.54 | nick125 | Mellence: Firefox 3 runs like crap no matter what. |
| 01:22.30 | Mellence | I usually get an ok performance out of it, but It's a real dog when I try and restore a previous session |
| 01:27.13 | RyanE | works fine for me. |
| 01:27.37 | RyanE | first load is a bit slow, but no slower than session saver was in FF 2. |
| 01:47.49 | Sargun | FF runs like crap |
| 02:08.07 | encryptz | openbox is sexy |
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| 02:15.17 | Sargun | I'm sexy. |
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| 03:22.11 | encryptz | unum: how did your presentation go for xmission? |
| 03:34.20 | levi | Ugh, mowing the yard sucks in the summer. |
| 03:37.44 | encryptz | yes it does |
| 03:39.07 | sontek | levi: if you don't water it, the gas doesn't grow, problem solved! |
| 03:39.33 | encryptz | gas grows? |
| 03:39.49 | encryptz | share the secret |
| 03:39.51 | levi | Yeah, but then it dies. |
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| 04:13.55 | nick125 | http://lifeandhealth.guardian.co.uk/wellbeing/story/0,,2291212,00.html |
| 04:26.43 | fozzmoo | Man, the UK is messed up. |
| 04:34.40 | levi | Yeah, that could never happen in NYC. :P |
| 04:35.14 | fozzmoo | I'm not talking about the guy getting hit by the train... |
| 04:35.21 | fozzmoo | That happens in SLC from time to time too. |
| 04:35.21 | levi | What are you talking about? |
| 04:36.13 | fozzmoo | I'm just talking about the way the train operator dealt with it. |
| 04:36.19 | fozzmoo | It just reminds me a lot of stuff I've read from Communist USSR |
| 04:36.26 | levi | Uhh, okay. |
| 04:37.01 | levi | What would someone from the good ol' U S of A have done, in your book? |
| 04:37.08 | fozzmoo | The whole thing about "I'm an atheist and I don't know this person, so witnessing the death means nothing to me." |
| 04:37.22 | fozzmoo | Oh, I don't think we're that far behind. |
| 04:37.49 | fozzmoo | There are fewer atheists here, but I don't know how long that will last. |
| 04:38.14 | fozzmoo | Anyway. it just seemed convoluted to me. |
| 04:38.30 | levi | There are *way* fewer atheists here, but I think he was fooling himself. |
| 04:38.57 | fozzmoo | Right. |
| 04:39.12 | fozzmoo | And then there was the whole outlook of the dead guy... |
| 04:39.55 | fozzmoo | the story didn't say much, but it made it sound like suicide is just "something you do" when life gets difficult. |
| 04:40.22 | fozzmoo | Anyway- the whole story was a little... disturbing to my sheltered self. |
| 04:40.23 | levi | I think you're seeing this through Glenn Beck glasses or something. |
| 04:40.56 | fozzmoo | You think? |
| 04:42.51 | levi | That's a wild guess, because you're always going on about him. |
| 04:43.19 | fozzmoo | Yeah, I admire the guy a lot. |
| 04:43.21 | levi | I have no idea what Glenn Beck would think about the article, except that he does seem to be on the conservative side of things. |
| 04:44.00 | levi | I think the article presents more of an 'urban' perspective than a 'UK' perspective. |
| 04:44.18 | fozzmoo | definitely urban. |
| 04:48.43 | Mellence | I like Glenn Beck. |
| 04:49.15 | fozzmoo | Mellence: Join the club man. ;) |
| 04:49.52 | Mellence | My mom doesn't like him as much as some other radio talk show hosts, but I like him better than all the others. I guess his humor just appeals to me. |
| 04:50.03 | fozzmoo | Yes, he's very... geeky. |
| 04:50.24 | fozzmoo | So is Rush Limbaugh, for that matter, but Rush doesn't have Glenn's humility. |
| 04:50.39 | Mellence | I love Rush, just not as much as Glenn,. |
| 04:51.56 | levi | You guys scare me. :P |
| 04:51.59 | Tene | That was a great concert. |
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| 04:52.40 | levi | Tene: What was a great concert? |
| 04:52.51 | Tene | Flogging Molly. |
| 04:53.18 | levi | Ahh, cool. :) |
| 04:53.43 | levi | I get my talk radio fix from the evil liberal NPR. ;) |
| 04:53.44 | Sargun | fozzmoo, yt? |
| 04:53.55 | fozzmoo | Been there and done that. |
| 04:54.15 | fozzmoo | One of my good friends listens to Rush in the morning and NPR in the afternoon. |
| 04:54.19 | fozzmoo | I don't know how he does it... but he does. |
| 04:54.38 | levi | Mostly I just listen to the podcasts. |
| 04:58.24 | levi | The science-related ones, Wait Wait, Car Talk, and I just recently started listening to This American Life. |
| 04:58.51 | fozzmoo | I like the production values of NPR and I like how they have articles that don't just give you a headline and a lead paragraph. |
| 05:04.38 | Mellence | Migrating email addresses is a pain... |
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| 05:07.47 | levi | Car Talk is awesome. :) |
| 05:10.31 | Mellence | does anyone know how to change the Email Address that NickServ has stored for me? |
| 05:11.35 | findlay | I hate how they're always trying to insert cheesy tunes in their dead space |
| 05:11.36 | encryptz | Mellence: /msg nickserv help set |
| 05:11.42 | findlay | when I want tunes I listen to KBYU |
| 05:12.23 | Mellence | thanks |
| 05:12.36 | encryptz | np |
| 05:13.59 | levi | findlay: Your taste in music is skewed horribly. |
| 05:14.58 | Mellence | levi: findlay's taste in music is amazing |
| 05:15.45 | levi | Mellence: In the realm of classical music, yes. |
| 05:16.03 | levi | I'm a fan of classical music, but I don't limit myself to that. |
| 05:16.17 | levi | This picture is bizarre: http://www.brandonbird.com/sega_ford.html |
| 05:16.24 | brac | [Brandon Bird: "No One Wants to Play Sega with Harrison Ford"] |
| 05:17.46 | Mellence | it doesn't make much sense, I've seen it before |
| 05:18.19 | Mellence | through http://thefunnies.info (beware, these are all user submitted, so they may or may be nsfw, unfortunately) |
| 05:18.33 | Mellence | oops, it's http://thefunniest.info |
| 05:19.18 | findlay | man |
| 05:19.31 | findlay | gmail just doesn't stop gobbling resources |
| 05:19.44 | findlay | gmail+firefox == computer parasite |
| 05:20.02 | levi | Why should it make sense? It's hilarious. :) |
| 05:20.15 | findlay | levi: I listen to what I like, evidently this isn't good enough for you? |
| 05:21.08 | findlay | I don't limit myself to 'classical music' whatever that is |
| 05:21.38 | findlay | you're going to run into subtle problems whenever you try to label any kind of art |
| 05:22.01 | findlay | doesn't believe in convenience |
| 05:29.27 | findlay | ~taunt levi |
| 05:29.28 | ibot | ACTION taunts levi a second time |
| 05:29.57 | Mellence | ~lart findlay |
| 05:29.57 | ibot | shoves a crumpet down findlay's throat, happy now?! Huh? Want some JAM with that? |
| 05:30.06 | Mellence | just wanted to play around |
| 05:30.10 | Mellence | picked the first name I saw |
| 05:31.20 | Mellence | http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/2638/catbreakis5.gif |
| 05:31.58 | sontek | ~rlart |
| 05:31.59 | ibot | accelerates a free AOL cd to 50,000 rpm and lets JoshH feel it |
| 05:36.20 | levi | findlay: I think you know what I mean when I say 'classical music'. |
| 05:37.20 | levi | Clearly I don't mean the specific, technical definition of 'classical'. |
| 05:43.30 | Mellence | Has anyone read 1776? |
| 05:44.21 | fozzmoo | I know maquis has. |
| 05:44.28 | fozzmoo | She recommended it to me after I read Founding Brothers. |
| 05:44.33 | fozzmoo | I want to read it at some point. |
| 05:46.24 | fozzmoo | Hmm I think I'll go read something right now. :) |
| 05:46.30 | fozzmoo | Good idea. Thanks Mellence. |
| 05:47.24 | levi | I need to finish off 'The Creators' |
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| 06:07.03 | findlay | levi: yeah, I like it and I've diatribed about music I strongly disliked as often as it has been a trial for my musical sensibility, but I don't limit myself to it. To do so is a subtle damnation of words and of principle |
| 06:15.18 | levi | Well, I've never heard you talk about anything that's not 'classical' music. |
| 06:16.08 | levi | So, what other kinds of music do you appreciate? |
| 06:22.24 | findlay | well, I like jazz |
| 06:22.31 | Mellence | ugh, jazz... |
| 06:22.39 | findlay | and musicals |
| 06:23.01 | findlay | folk music can be quite good |
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| 06:31.59 | bonez44 | anyone else awake? |
| 06:34.03 | Mellence | yes |
| 06:35.02 | bonez44 | Mellence: here's my challenge.. I am trying to install Adobe cs3's InDesign on a new machine running Vista.. it's a fairly new machine.. 1 month old, but has lots of stuff on it already |
| 06:35.41 | Mellence | bonez44: Awesome! Well, except the vista part. Good luck. |
| 06:40.26 | bonez44 | I hate vista |
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| 06:49.27 | Mellence | Does anyone read XKCD? |
| 07:13.23 | sontek | everyone reads xkcd |
| 07:26.21 | Mellence | http://youtube.com/watch?v=zJOS0sV2a24 |
| 07:26.31 | Mellence | very interesting talk the author of xkcd gives at google |
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| 20:01.43 | sontek | hmm, anyone else want to go all reiser on their girlfriend when they forget to turn off the curling iron and you burn your hand on it? :P |
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| 20:53.14 | elg | sontek: always treat a curling iron like the business end of a gun |
| 20:56.05 | sontek | I'm starting to learn that |
| 20:56.21 | sontek | I got the straightener last week and the curling iron this week |
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| 21:14.43 | lakshmi-palm | hey |
| 21:14.43 | lakshmi-palm | sargun |
| 21:15.13 | goozbach | sontek: good rule of thumb: if it's in the bathroom, and it's plugged in, handle with care |
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| 21:35.11 | mrpull-x | sontek: maybe she's trying to kill you. "hey honey, how about a nice bath and some quiet music from this radio with a frayed power cord?" |
| 21:35.23 | mrpull-x | DOH.... how did that fall in!? |
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| 23:24.55 | Sargun | hi |
| 23:28.44 | Mellence | Hello Sargun, a.k.a. xbmodder(that's where I know you from, I was on this IRC under a different name a while ago) |
| 23:38.45 | findlay | ~sargun Mellence |
| 23:38.46 | ibot | see ~tene Mellence |
| 23:39.04 | Mellence | ~tene findlay |
| 23:39.04 | ibot | ACTION h4x0rz findlay onto parrot |
| 23:39.52 | Mellence | I found a youtube video of 30 minutes of 90's cartoon openings...It's awesome! |
| 23:40.09 | Mellence | so nostalgic, because these are the cartoons I watched when i was < 9 |
| 23:41.31 | RyanE | sontek: Kind of late on the advice, but it's pretty easy to install a manual (spring-wound) timer on the plugs your gf uses for curling irons... |
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| 23:55.40 | Sargun | Mellence, you're tene? |
| 23:55.50 | Mellence | Sargun: no |
