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| 00:31.22 | Sargun_screen | bugQ: thanks |
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| 00:39.11 | Sargun_screen | lakshmi: They are in Glendale, and Redwood City |
| 00:44.56 | Sargun_screen | Anyone know how I can get SIMs for T-Mobile AT&T (or any other GSM carrier) |
| 00:45.37 | nick125 | Sargun_screen: go into one of their stores and ask for one? |
| 00:46.49 | Sargun_screen | Uhm, do you think they'll give it to m? |
| 00:47.00 | lakshmi | Sargun_screen |
| 00:47.04 | lakshmi | hey |
| 00:47.16 | lakshmi | stabs nick125 meanie. im right |
| 00:47.21 | lakshmi | Sargun_screen fix it. |
| 00:54.00 | Sargun_screen | I hte GSM |
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| 01:03.13 | Sargun_screen | Meh, I hate school. |
| 01:03.41 | lakshmi | Sargun_screen why? |
| 01:03.49 | lakshmi | school is amazing ! |
| 01:04.08 | nick125 | lakshmi: It depends on if you value school or not. Some people never will. |
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| 01:04.22 | lakshmi | true |
| 01:04.37 | Sargun_screen | nick125: I'm having issues with my teachers constantly. |
| 01:04.46 | nick125 | Sargun_screen: Why? |
| 01:05.02 | Sargun_screen | because they want me to do everything their way |
| 01:05.35 | lakshmi | what class are you taking Sargun_screen ? |
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| 01:30.03 | linuxalien | I dunno if anyone has seen this already. I know a couple guys that do this: http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2008/04/23/le-twittre/ |
| 01:59.07 | keldwud | lulz |
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| 02:29.32 | linuxalien | :) |
| 02:36.53 | Sargun_screen | yo |
| 02:37.03 | linuxalien | Hiya |
| 02:37.44 | Sargun_screen | ~rlart |
| 02:37.44 | ibot | breaks out the Hoover and sucks up Tadaka |
| 02:39.38 | linuxalien | w00t |
| 02:40.12 | Sargun_screen | linuxalien: where do you work? |
| 02:40.24 | linuxalien | Hill AFB |
| 02:40.44 | linuxalien | Security assistant at a visitor's center |
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| 02:46.51 | levi | Sargun_screen: They'll surely give you a SIM card in exchange for some amount of money. :P |
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| 02:48.56 | M1dorikawa|Psych | if you've had service with AT&T for a while, they'll replace the SIM for free |
| 02:49.04 | M1dorikawa|Psych | T-Mobile I'm not so sure of |
| 02:49.36 | levi | So, I picked up Hofstadter's book "I Am a Strange Loop" today. |
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| 03:12.23 | lakshmi | hi |
| 03:12.25 | lakshmi | poke |
| 03:12.27 | lakshmi | is anyone here? |
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| 03:51.26 | keldwud | YOU. CANNOT KILL! WHAT DOES NOT DIE! |
| 03:51.29 | keldwud | sorry |
| 03:51.34 | keldwud | anthrax made me do it. |
| 03:51.54 | infotron | unhuh |
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| 04:19.50 | Sargun | heh |
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| 04:20.50 | anthrax | It was me! |
| 04:20.54 | keldwud | oh hai |
| 04:21.04 | keldwud | i've moved onto pantera |
| 04:21.11 | keldwud | :) |
| 04:21.49 | keldwud | hifives anthrax |
| 04:22.09 | keldwud | I have a strange feeling that there are not many metal heads in this room ;) |
| 04:22.32 | Sargun | Who here runs a blog? |
| 04:22.40 | keldwud | ooh ooh ME ME! I DO1 |
| 04:22.43 | keldwud | heh ;) |
| 04:22.49 | keldwud | several of them |
| 04:22.51 | keldwud | laughs |
| 04:22.54 | Sargun | keldwud, how many viewers do you have? |
| 04:22.59 | keldwud | haha |
| 04:23.01 | keldwud | umm, |
| 04:23.13 | Sargun | 10k? |
| 04:23.19 | Sargun | 100k? |
| 04:23.30 | keldwud | last time I checked google analitycs, it was somewhere around, like less than five and more than 1 daily |
| 04:23.30 | Sargun | 1m? |
| 04:23.33 | keldwud | lmfao |
| 04:23.47 | keldwud | but I HAZ BRAN LOYALTY! |
| 04:23.54 | keldwud | *brand |
| 04:24.51 | keldwud | I do hope to have 10-20k for the slcguide project once I launch it in a couple months |
| 04:24.58 | Sargun | haha |
| 04:29.49 | keldwud | how come? |
| 04:30.05 | keldwud | I iz preschool lvl blogger |
| 04:30.14 | keldwud | but we come up in the world fast. so ;) |
| 04:37.47 | bendle | keldwud - paste your url and we can 6x maybe more you - |
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| 04:43.43 | keldwud | bendle haha |
| 04:43.53 | keldwud | they all have the word keldwud in it |
| 04:44.12 | keldwud | except for slcguide. but that is not ready for public launch / consumption yet. not by far. |
| 04:44.47 | keldwud | I keep my main under wraps because I am vulgar |
| 04:44.58 | keldwud | but I have a wordpress and a blogger |
| 04:46.54 | findlay | Surely you're joking Mr. Feynman |
| 04:48.57 | keldwud | you mean the quantum dude? |
| 04:49.22 | keldwud | or are you alluding to my statement about being vulgar? |
| 04:50.43 | findlay | haha |
| 04:50.51 | keldwud | if RL were like a rogue like (zomg I never realize that real life and rogue like spelled the same INITIALZ) then feynman would be a |
| 04:50.52 | findlay | you got it! |
| 04:50.52 | keldwud | Q |
| 04:51.07 | findlay | you just made my evening |
| 04:51.13 | Sargun | o.O |
| 04:51.15 | keldwud | I guess you've lurked at me long enough to know me :) |
| 04:51.42 | Sargun | stabs keldwud |
| 04:51.44 | keldwud | findlay: which one? the nethack joke? or the noticing that you were taking a sarcastic dig at me ;) |
| 04:52.30 | findlay | here I was thinking "Man, I always come up with these obscure allusions to things and I'm the only one who'll ever get it without a laborious, humor-diluting explanation" |
| 04:52.35 | keldwud | you miss, you miss. keldwud hurls a potion at you. it shatters. you hear noises in the distance |
| 04:53.08 | keldwud | haha oh I got it findlay :) as crude as I may be, I still have a modicum of intelligence and wit ;) even though it is ... different. |
| 04:53.40 | findlay | keldwud: I was likening you to Feynman in a rondo-burlesque sort of fashion |
| 04:53.42 | findlay | :-) |
| 04:53.53 | keldwud | I took it as a compliment / dig ;) the best kind |
| 04:54.23 | findlay | cause I have Feynman on my mind lately |
| 04:54.37 | keldwud | oh you sexy thing you! |
| 04:54.53 | findlay | we need more Feynmans in this world |
| 04:54.56 | keldwud | I don't blame you, I fap to feynman at least once a month as well |
| 04:56.41 | keldwud | oh wait. |
| 04:56.43 | keldwud | heh |
| 04:56.51 | keldwud | blames it on the alcohol |
| 04:57.59 | findlay | actually #utah is a very hip crowd |
| 04:58.07 | findlay | I was mainly thinking about when I |
| 04:58.15 | keldwud | ... |
| 04:58.24 | findlay | 'm, like, surrounded by liberal arts majors or something |
| 04:58.24 | keldwud | waits expectantly |
| 04:58.30 | keldwud | hahah |
| 04:58.37 | keldwud | dude, slc is like out of this world |
| 04:58.42 | findlay | and they don't know the difference between a Newton and a bananna slug |
| 04:59.20 | keldwud | umm |
| 04:59.25 | keldwud | one is bigger than the other? |
| 04:59.30 | keldwud | hehe |
| 05:00.50 | keldwud | hey if it is so hip, mebbe I can score me a beer from online |
| 05:01.12 | keldwud | should I try IRC or craigslist? |
| 05:01.16 | keldwud | I'm down to my last one |
| 05:01.20 | findlay | ~sober keldwud |
| 05:01.21 | ibot | ACTION shoves a liter of aspirin down findlay's throat. |
| 05:01.26 | findlay | heh |
| 05:01.32 | keldwud | hahaha |
| 05:01.36 | keldwud | that backfired ;) |
| 05:02.09 | keldwud | why did ibot do that to findlay instead of me? |
| 05:03.08 | findlay | ~literal cmd: sober (.*?) |
| 05:03.08 | ibot | "cmd: sober (.*?)" is "($who): <action>shoves a liter of aspirin down $who's throat." |
| 05:03.12 | keldwud | ~irc drinking beer and hangin out with teh bitchez |
| 05:03.12 | ibot | Oh IRC, why do you distract me so from drinking beer and hangin out with teh bitchez? |
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| 05:03.44 | keldwud | ;) |
| 05:03.54 | keldwud | I <3 teh ~irc command |
| 05:04.05 | keldwud | oh and also |
| 05:04.14 | keldwud | ~irc playing nethack |
| 05:04.15 | ibot | Oh IRC, why do you distract me so from playing nethack? |
| 05:04.23 | findlay | ~hack keldwud |
| 05:04.24 | ibot | ACTION teaches keldwud nethack so that keldwud will play until 6 AM |
| 05:04.37 | keldwud | I already did that all week :) |
| 05:04.56 | keldwud | still haven't ascended |
| 05:05.41 | keldwud | okay, it's settled. ima go overdaft my account to get some beer and tobacco. I iz an addict |
| 05:05.54 | findlay | ~restrain keldwud |
| 05:06.00 | keldwud | haha |
| 05:06.05 | keldwud | ibot failed |
| 05:06.09 | keldwud | no stopping me now ;) |
| 05:06.27 | findlay | ~stop keldwud |
| 05:06.28 | ibot | ACTION leaps to his feet and stops keldwud |
| 05:07.00 | keldwud | haha |
| 05:07.11 | keldwud | ~irc getting more beer |
| 05:07.12 | ibot | Oh IRC, why do you distract me so from getting more beer? |
| 05:07.20 | findlay | ~distract keldwud |
| 05:07.21 | ibot | ACTION shaves her head and saunters past keldwud with a cold beer in her hand. "Hello, sailor! Wanna go for a ride?" |
| 05:07.26 | keldwud | if you haven't noticed, I only know one ~ ;) |
| 05:07.39 | keldwud | did ibot say pabst? |
| 05:07.53 | keldwud | and how did she know I was a sailor!? |
| 05:08.31 | keldwud | i *do* have a robot fetish though |
| 05:09.00 | infotron | hobby or fetish, next on keldwud tonight |
| 05:09.16 | keldwud | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjAoBKagWQA&hl=en |
| 05:09.27 | keldwud | you will see there why it is fetish |
| 05:09.49 | keldwud | I showed that video to 2 different girls on my eee pc and they both fucked me afterwards |
| 05:09.58 | keldwud | I should blog it! |
| 05:10.02 | keldwud | heh heh heh |
| 05:11.12 | keldwud | that is the most non-erotic erotic video I have ever seen |
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| 05:11.35 | keldwud | sparks, and cooling fluids, and two chick robots making out and getting probed? FTW! |
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| 05:12.31 | keldwud | and if you do not fap to that video then you iz gay |
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| 05:12.32 | keldwud | wtf is going on? |
| 05:14.17 | keldwud | so I think it is more than hobby ;) |
| 05:14.32 | keldwud | I cant get off unless a girl runs the Eliza routine for me pre-coitus. |
| 05:16.33 | lakshmi | uhmm |
| 05:16.35 | Sargun | beats findlay |
| 05:16.36 | lakshmi | hi |
| 05:16.42 | infotron | wow. when you have a few GB or ram, and type sync, and then it takes multiple seconds for sata drives to flush. wow. :P |
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| 05:18.01 | keldwud | heh heh heh http://keldwud.tumblr.com/ |
| 05:18.29 | keldwud | brb beer run |
| 05:25.31 | findlay | hi lakshmi |
| 05:25.42 | lakshmi | hi findlay |
| 05:26.42 | infotron | bye(); |
| 05:28.30 | Sargun | die(); |
| 05:28.31 | Sargun | Lol. |
| 05:29.15 | infotron | bash: die: command not found |
| 05:29.19 | infotron | ;) |
| 05:29.37 | infotron | wonders oph *yawn* |
| 05:36.09 | findlay | http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2008-07/asfh-stw071708.php |
| 05:36.10 | brac | [Saving the wild orchids of Borneo] |
| 05:37.33 | keldwud | savving the what? sounds like some hippy shit to me |
| 05:37.38 | keldwud | ;) |
| 05:42.38 | findlay | http://arxiv.org/abs/0807.2635 |
| 05:43.53 | keldwud | I had to fix that post. the stupid shit put an extra space in my link! |
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| 13:06.19 | elg | haha, some recruiter in bangladore sent out a generic "i have ruby on rails positions are you interested" message to a couple hundred people without bcc, and the reply-all backlash turned into an impromptu thread/mocking party |
| 13:09.11 | elg | 64 messages if I counted correctly |
| 13:09.34 | elg | someone started a google group for the "victims". pradipta's rolodex |
| 13:12.04 | elg | haha. "WTF - I'm not even a programmer." |
| 13:14.22 | elg | http://blog.reverberate.org/2008/07/17/416-random-people-with-ror-on-their-resume-reply-all-reverse-flash-mob/ |
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| 14:31.54 | levi | elg: That's crazy. :) |
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| 14:47.27 | levi | http://www.youtube.com/swf/l.swf?video_id=VVp8UGjECt4 |
| 14:47.38 | levi | Talk from a 'stand-up economist' |
| 14:49.10 | levi | (don't show that to Von, he might be offended by the humor!) ;) |
| 14:51.47 | levi | I'm surprised atoponce didn't know that you could have more than one user with a given uid. |
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| 14:57.51 | sontek | I only knew because I did it on accident one time :P |
| 14:58.15 | sontek | well, I guess not by accident, but I wanted to make my user be root to see what happened |
| 14:58.20 | sontek | so I changed his UID :P |
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| 15:00.32 | levi | I find it slightly disturbing that you're referring to your account as a person. ;) |
| 15:00.40 | levi | unix is not an RPG. :) |
| 15:01.18 | sontek | WHAT?! |
| 15:01.34 | sontek | For the last 5 years I thought I was playing a text based rpg... |
| 15:01.34 | sinuhe | levi: It isn't? |
| 15:02.15 | sinuhe | Every time I type a chown command: "All your base..." How is that not like an RPG? :-) |
| 15:02.28 | sinuhe | ducks |
| 15:02.37 | elg | where do I go to get a $30 nvidia card in SLC? |
| 15:03.08 | sinuhe | There used to be that place on 45th in West Valley. Is EBC still around? |
| 15:04.47 | levi | I don't really buy hardware locally anymore. |
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| 15:15.13 | sontek | elg: best place I've found is Universal Systems on 3300 and 1300 e |
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| 15:20.06 | levi | elg: You'll like this if you haven't seen it yet: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7512072.stm |
| 15:20.12 | brac | [BBC NEWS | Entertainment | Lost tapes of the Dr Who composer] |
| 15:22.07 | elg | awesome |
| 15:23.05 | tensai | EBC. now there's a horrible idea. |
| 15:30.53 | elg | wow, hits on craigslist and already in communication with two people who have cards in the price range |
| 15:31.08 | elg | funny how craigslist actually works when you're in more of a metropolitan area |
| 15:31.09 | levi | craigslist FTW! |
| 15:34.18 | elg | so they're both geforce fx5200, but one is pci with 128m and the other is agp with 256m |
| 15:34.32 | HCDemon | agp |
| 15:34.48 | elg | this is solely for mythtv. the pci one is $10 cheaper ($20 and $30 respectively) |
| 15:35.19 | HCDemon | id still go with agp, ya never know what you may use it for in the future |
| 15:35.25 | elg | true |
| 15:35.45 | elg | but pci would be sufficient? (in case the other guy drops through) |
| 15:36.03 | HCDemon | i would say yea |
| 15:38.42 | tensai | if you're not doing 3D, the difference will be negligible |
| 15:39.21 | tensai | agp gives you higher bandwidth between the cpu and vram, which is nice for downloading textures |
| 15:39.44 | tensai | that much ram is really only useful for textures, since a 2D display takes up very little ram comparatively |
| 15:40.41 | tensai | a 1600x1200x32bit display can fit in 7MB |
| 15:56.14 | findlay | ~1600*1200 |
| 15:56.15 | ibot | 1920000 |
| 15:56.25 | findlay | ~1600*1200/1024/1024 |
| 15:56.26 | ibot | 1.8310546875 |
| 15:56.32 | elg | yeah |
| 15:56.40 | findlay | at 1 bit per pixel |
| 15:56.52 | Tene | http://www.asofterworld.com/index.php?id=325 |
| 15:56.53 | brac | [A Softer World: 325] |
| 15:58.12 | unum | so I'm trying to use facls |
| 15:58.32 | unum | screw it I'll just use groups |
| 16:05.07 | Tene | setfacl -m u:username:rw filename |
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| 16:17.53 | sjansen | I am American and you can too. http://www.hulu.com/the-colbert-report |
| 16:18.18 | encryptz | qqet |
| 16:18.24 | encryptz | meh |
| 16:18.28 | sjansen | heh |
| 16:24.31 | fozzmoo | Colbert hosted Rush. That's cool. |
| 16:26.26 | sinuhe | Rush: Would that be the band or the conservative TV host? |
| 16:27.39 | tensai | s/host/blowhard/ |
| 16:28.41 | maquis | tv/radio |
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| 16:32.03 | tensai | it's Rush the band. http://www.comedycentral.com/colbertreport/videos.jhtml?episodeId=175837 |
| 16:32.09 | brac | [Wednesday Jul 16 2008 | The Colbert Report | Comedy Central] |
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| 16:41.53 | levi | Conform or be cast out! |
| 16:42.09 | levi | (that's about all the Rush I know) |
| 16:42.20 | fozzmoo | Rush... the band. |
| 16:42.22 | findlay | ~rush levi |
| 16:42.22 | ibot | ACTION sees levi is dawdling and runs over and pushes levi out the door |
| 16:42.39 | levi | Right. |
| 16:44.36 | levi | ~lart findlay |
| 16:44.36 | ibot | stabs findlay |
| 16:45.06 | sjansen | ~defend findlay |
| 16:45.07 | ibot | ACTION jumps in front of findlay, taking all insults, violence and anything else negative thrown toward findlay so that findlay may live on in peace and quiet |
| 16:45.24 | sjansen | ~stab levi |
| 16:45.24 | ibot | ACTION runs at levi with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 16:45.35 | sjansen | ~reward sjansen |
| 16:45.35 | ibot | ACTION gives sjansen a brownie point. And a *kick* in the pants! |
| 16:45.41 | sjansen | Ouch! |
| 16:45.43 | HCDemon | a paper cut? lmao |
| 16:54.12 | findlay | ~factstats whaleslap |
| 16:54.22 | findlay | ~cmdstats whaleslap |
| 16:54.22 | ibot | command usage include 340 of Factoid Commands, 26 of Factoid Info, 23 of Help, 22 of babelfish, 11 of botmail, 10 of Debian Search, 10 of wikipedia, 10 of Dict, 6 of wtf, 6 of Factoid Stats, 6 of reverse, 5 of Factoid Search, 4 of Maths, 4 of Zippy, 3 of upsidedown, 2 of spell, 2 of nickometer, 1 of slashdot and 1 of Kernel. |
| 17:04.24 | sontek | ~cmdstats findlay |
| 17:04.24 | ibot | command usage include 343 of Factoid Commands, 27 of Factoid Info, 25 of Help, 22 of babelfish, 11 of botmail, 10 of Debian Search, 10 of wikipedia, 10 of Dict, 8 of Factoid Stats, 6 of wtf, 6 of reverse, 5 of Factoid Search, 4 of Maths, 4 of Zippy, 3 of upsidedown, 2 of spell, 2 of nickometer, 1 of slashdot and 1 of Kernel. |
| 17:04.55 | sontek | ~kernel |
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| 17:19.50 | Tene | anyone in here have any 2.2 or 2.4 boxes, out of curiosity? |
| 17:19.59 | tensai | yes and yes |
| 17:20.14 | tensai | no 2.0 boxes though |
| 17:22.13 | Tene | What are they used for? |
| 17:22.18 | findlay | I have a 2.4 router |
| 17:22.22 | findlay | ~lart broadcom |
| 17:22.22 | ibot | whacks broadcom with the cluebat |
| 17:25.14 | tensai | lots of 2.4 boxes. too many to enumerate. |
| 17:25.52 | tensai | only got 2 2.2 boxes that I know of. one we had a hard time installing 2.4 on and so we just left it. something about the hardware but it's been a while so I don't remember. |
| 17:26.11 | tensai | another is an old sun raq |
| 17:27.13 | tensai | one of them is a Cacti server and the other is a shell server |
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| 17:33.38 | Tene | Why 2.4 instead of 2.6? |
| 17:34.15 | tensai | 2.6 wasn't released yet |
| 17:34.19 | Tene | Ah. |
| 17:34.23 | tensai | any new boxes are installed with 2.6 |
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| 17:44.03 | findlay | well now new b0xen will be installed with Linux 2009 |
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| 18:09.56 | mrpull | i liked the old versioning scheme. had more information encoded in it than the new one. |
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| 18:15.23 | findlay | mrpull: you mean pre and post 2.6? |
| 18:15.49 | mrpull | the good old odd/even devel/stable scheme |
| 18:16.04 | findlay | yeah |
| 18:19.52 | mrpull | the rush performance on Colbert was good. I owe their catalog a good listening to... |
| 18:20.14 | mrpull | they are good fun to play on rock band too :) |
| 18:22.12 | sjansen | http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/funny-pictures-cat-lays-it-on-thick.jpg |
| 18:22.51 | mrpull | sjansen: what is on the cat's nose? |
| 18:23.43 | sjansen | Looks like a diamond encrusted catnip dispenser. |
| 18:24.21 | mrpull | i'm a cat newb. i'm not familiar with your catnipping ways. |
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| 19:21.40 | levi | Ack, it took $73.56 to fill up our van with gas. :/ |
| 19:23.10 | tensai | is dreading his trip to Boise today |
| 19:23.22 | tensai | dreading paying for it anyway |
| 19:23.56 | levi | It cost somewhere in the neighborhood of $400 for me to drive to Seattle and back. |
| 19:48.21 | linuxalien|away | back |
| 19:48.35 | linuxalien|away | back |
| 19:58.51 | sjansen | http://www.thesaltair.com/contact/great-salt-air-map.php <-- Rotating North 90 degrees deserves a giant FAIL |
| 20:03.25 | levi | Wow, Sigur Ros coming to Saltair. |
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| 20:12.24 | Jayce^ | OOOOOOORBIT! |
| 20:12.29 | orbit | howdy |
| 20:16.28 | findlay | ORBIT always makes me think of CORBA |
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| 20:20.58 | goozbach | just setup google apps on a test domain. |
| 20:21.17 | orbit | How is it? |
| 20:21.27 | orbit | Er |
| 20:21.41 | orbit | google Apps...thought Google App Engine |
| 20:22.11 | goozbach | I'm doing it for the google talk feature |
| 20:22.35 | goozbach | we're going to be starting a telework pilot, and we needed a centralized chat service. |
| 20:22.44 | goozbach | and I'm too busy to support a wildfire server |
| 20:22.50 | goozbach | it's working OK |
| 20:23.18 | goozbach | we need chat rooms (which only work inside the flash applet) |
| 20:23.55 | levi | Man, emacs org mode is crazy. |
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| 20:25.43 | levi | Hmm, I smell tuna fish. |
| 20:26.08 | fozzmoo | levi: Call your OBGYN |
| 20:26.19 | fozzmoo | Oh wait. Never mind. |
| 20:29.12 | fozzmoo | Well, this sucks |
| 20:29.26 | fozzmoo | mysql -u liferay -h mysql-production liferaydemo -p < datadump |
| 20:29.30 | fozzmoo | crashes mysql |
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| 20:32.38 | levi | http://emacs.wordpress.com/2008/07/17/org-from-the-horses-mouth/ |
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| 20:33.52 | findlay | ~sjansen {-} |
| 20:33.53 | ibot | ACTION tells {-} good things about sjansen |
| 20:37.25 | fozzmoo | updates packages on the mysql server. |
| 20:37.37 | fozzmoo | updates packages on the mysql server... with disdain. |
| 20:41.52 | findlay | wow |
| 20:42.43 | findlay | can now begin to appreciate what they mean in mathematics when generality stops becoming useful and starts becoming occult |
| 20:43.38 | findlay | you have to work so hard to trim down the general theorem to the problem at hand that it becomes comical |
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| 20:45.26 | findlay | spend more work applying than solving |
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| 20:50.05 | findlay | although there are lots of incredibly important (useful) theorems that are both simple and trivial to prove, like the pythagorean |
| 20:54.21 | levi | findlay: So, where did this insight come from? |
| 21:00.11 | findlay | levi: I was reading about the strong Lagrange principle |
| 21:05.53 | findlay | I was tempted to expound on the loss of elegance due to generalizations in a heterogeneous field of study, but what do I know? I'm just a student |
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| 21:08.49 | levi | Well, I just read a little bit about it, but all I got out of it is that it's a way to find the constrained maximum of a function. |
| 21:09.01 | findlay | basically, yes |
| 21:09.12 | bugQ | that's hella useful, in some cases |
| 21:09.30 | findlay | and I suppose it's useful in proving absolute extrema as well |
| 21:10.15 | levi | My math-fu is too weak right now to actually know how to use the Lagrange principle. |
| 21:10.21 | Mellence | Should I be considered weird for preferring compiling from source over using a package? |
| 21:10.41 | bugQ | no, that's why we have 42 popular linux flavors |
| 21:11.07 | findlay | ~sing 42 popular linux flavors |
| 21:11.20 | Mellence | I find it more fun to type in everything than a "sudo /sbin/installpkg blahblah.tgz" |
| 21:11.43 | bugQ | although I like to think of gentoo as the best of both worlds |
| 21:11.51 | levi | Mellence: By 'compiling from source' you mean downloading tarballs and doing 'make install' instead of running ebuilds? |
| 21:12.23 | Mellence | levi: yes |
| 21:12.40 | levi | Yes, that makes you weird. |
| 21:12.51 | levi | Marginally more weird than the gentoo weirdos, too. |
| 21:13.11 | bugQ | hey, you. |
| 21:13.55 | levi | I do sometimes build things from source, but only a few important packages that are under somewhat rapid development. |
| 21:13.59 | Mellence | Well, a lot of times I have to, because not every useful program has a Slackware package. |
| 21:14.13 | levi | Using Slackware makes you weird, too. |
| 21:14.40 | Mellence | Thank you. Sometime's it's to your advantage for people to think you're crazy. |
| 21:14.53 | levi | That may be the most powerful weird factor in this discussion, in fact. |
| 21:15.33 | levi | I don't mean 'crazy' when I say weird. Crazy people have an excuse; they're crazy. |
| 21:15.37 | bugQ | heh, I saw the dark knight just last night, a movie in which that can't be more true |
| 21:16.34 | levi | Being 'weird' means you're clearly smart and sane, but have made baffling choices. |
| 21:16.39 | Mellence | Like my dad said on the byu.edu physics professor page, "Bryan Peterson has been using Slackware since 2.3 and will switch to another distro when they pry the install disks from his cold dead hands" |
| 21:17.09 | nick125 | hahah |
| 21:17.15 | findlay | well, now we know what levi means when he says 'weird' |
| 21:17.16 | findlay | :) |
| 21:18.12 | levi | Since 2.3? Man, got in late in the game. :P |
| 21:18.25 | levi | 2.3 had a post-1.0 kernel! |
| 21:18.50 | levi | I guess it was still pre-ELF, though. |
| 21:18.58 | levi | Man, that ELF-switchover was a pain. |
| 21:19.03 | Mellence | it may have been earlier, but 2.3 was the only one I could think of at the time of writing, because i have a 2.3 book sitting around me |
| 21:19.48 | levi | I started with SLS anyway, so I never had any allegiance to Slackware after switching to it. |
| 21:20.23 | Mellence | Some may ask "Why do you have a 2.3 book sitting around?" Well, my dad was cleaning out his office, and found it. He brought it home for comical effect. |
| 21:20.58 | unum | started with debian |
| 21:21.18 | unum | well mostly... |
| 21:21.21 | levi | I switched to debian early on. |
| 21:21.25 | unum | I guess my first distro was corel |
| 21:21.27 | findlay | started on RH 8.0 |
| 21:21.29 | unum | then mandrake |
| 21:21.46 | unum | but I never really used them much. I did manage to get them both installed |
| 21:21.52 | levi | Tried an early RedHat when it got a lot of buzz, but didn't really care for it. |
| 21:22.10 | unum | Debian is the first distro I really used |
| 21:22.19 | nick125 | I got started really late in the game, then... |
| 21:22.26 | levi | I used Debian pre-apt. |
| 21:22.27 | nick125 | 's first distribution was...RH9 |
| 21:22.45 | nick125 | I messed around with Mandrake 7-8ish a few years before that, but didn't really get into it. |
| 21:22.57 | Mellence | I started late with Slackware 10.0 installed on my first "own" computer |
| 21:22.58 | findlay | back in the rh 8,9 days there wasn't a good way to get package updates |
| 21:23.06 | findlay | some may argue that it's still that way |
| 21:23.09 | unum | my brother installed caldera(I think) on our parents computer in 1996 |
| 21:23.38 | findlay | I would download lots of tarballs of stuff I wanted to try out |
| 21:23.38 | nick125 | then I went to FC1, then I went to Gentoo around the FC2-test1 days (I remember borking my FC1 install trying to upgrade to FC2-test1) |
| 21:23.41 | Mellence | We ran a dual-boot(like it is right now) in the 90's, but it was mostly kept in Windows, so I could play games. |
| 21:23.47 | findlay | with rpmbuild |
| 21:24.12 | levi | My early unix and internet experience weren't even on Linux. |
| 21:24.16 | findlay | nick125: yeah, I went to gentoo around FC1 |
| 21:24.23 | unum | I could never find a modem that worked |
| 21:24.34 | bugQ | well, my dad had a redhat server in the house for a while, then we all wound up with mac os x somehow, around the same time that I was using solaris workstations at the U, half of which ended up with centos later on. then I found ubuntu, then debian, then gentoo. |
| 21:24.56 | unum | you found ubuntu before debian? |
| 21:25.05 | bugQ | ya, i'm young |
| 21:25.10 | unum | ya |
| 21:25.11 | unum | :) |
| 21:25.11 | findlay | I have mixed feelings about ubuntu |
| 21:25.21 | nick125 | findlay: Same here...mostly bad, though. |
| 21:25.25 | levi | I think my shell account was on an AIX box. |
| 21:25.27 | unum | I was running a lug when ubuntu came out |
| 21:25.41 | levi | It was a public access service from the University of Virginia. |
| 21:25.43 | unum | my shell account was on VMS.... |
| 21:26.21 | findlay | my first shell account was on RH 5.3 |
| 21:26.24 | bugQ | and now dragonflybsd has caught my eye |
| 21:26.26 | findlay | s/5/6/ |
| 21:26.59 | findlay | and I spent the next two years trying to figure out how to change it from /bin/sh (which I hated) to /bin/bash (what I wanted) :) |
| 21:27.36 | unum | tcsh is our default here |
| 21:27.40 | unum | except for my account :) |
| 21:28.13 | findlay | I would download gcc tarballs and install them into my account :) |
| 21:28.35 | findlay | just because of crummy pre 4.0 gcc support of c++ templates |
| 21:28.49 | bugQ | hurrah for zsh! |
| 21:29.05 | findlay | fish is fun too |
| 21:30.36 | Mellence | I tried learning tcsh, but that was a couple of years ago(somewhere around when I was 12 or 13), so I didn't quite get it. |
| 21:31.08 | fozzmoo | Mellence: (You're 15?)!) |
| 21:32.33 | nick125 | is one of those lamers still using Bash |
| 21:32.50 | bugQ | nothing wrong with bash |
| 21:33.07 | nick125 | I wish my ISP would flip the switch and failover to their TWTelecom routes...Sprintlink is falling apart as we speak. |
| 21:33.23 | bugQ | i do most scripting in other languages anyway |
| 21:33.31 | nick125 | of course |
| 21:33.44 | nick125 | only really sick people code real programs in Bash. |
| 21:35.00 | bugQ | cannot conclusively determine sarcasm level |
| 21:35.17 | levi | http://etext.virginia.edu/info/articles/easley/ <- This article talks about the public access system I used. |
| 21:37.31 | levi | Ahh... I remember more clearly now that it was actually UNIX SVR4, running on x86. |
| 21:38.59 | findlay | Mellence: you shouldn't worry about whether other people think you're wierd |
| 21:39.14 | levi | Teenagers are weird by default. |
| 21:39.15 | findlay | unless you want to draw attention to your wierdness on purpose |
| 21:39.26 | findlay | and that in itself is another dimension of wierdness |
| 21:39.33 | bugQ | and all the more fun :) |
| 21:39.44 | nick125 | is about to pull his hair out |
| 21:39.46 | findlay | bugQ: tryly |
| 21:39.49 | findlay | s/y/u/ |
| 21:39.54 | levi | Teenagers need to get off my lawn! :P |
| 21:40.04 | nick125 | haha |
| 21:40.19 | findlay | levi: with their black hair and ipods? |
| 21:40.30 | bugQ | and chains across their pants |
| 21:40.30 | findlay | are they protesting your choice of grass? |
| 21:44.14 | Mellence | Protesting is weird. |
| 21:44.28 | bugQ | I went to a war protest, and I agree! |
| 21:44.29 | Mellence | Any type. The only thing I would protest is protesting. |
| 21:44.57 | Mellence | I would wear a sign saying "Protest Protesting!" and go to war protests/political protests/any type of protest |
| 21:45.12 | Mellence | That one would be showing off my weirdness, for sure. |
| 21:48.13 | bugQ | it's still important to voice one's opinion, even/especially at the danger of ridicule |
| 21:51.03 | findlay | bugQ drinks water, haha |
| 21:51.15 | findlay | </mock bugQ> |
| 21:52.53 | tensai | I know I read about a protest protest but I can't find it. thought it was cockeyed.com |
| 21:55.01 | bugQ | findlay relies on a gas that contains molecules that will eventually wear out his body's ability to repair its own tissues, haha |
| 21:57.28 | bugQ | sorry, that one was rather dark |
| 21:58.26 | levi | bugQ: How dare you! |
| 21:59.10 | Mellence | I went to a really cool workshop today. It was Band Leadership Training. |
| 21:59.35 | Mellence | I actually had to wake up on a summer day, so I went in to it with a bad attitude. |
| 21:59.51 | Mellence | The only way someone couldn't appreciate that workshop was if they had absolutely no sense of humor. |
| 22:00.08 | unum | "get your drummer checked for std's atleast once every three months" |
| 22:00.24 | unum | "stroke your guitarist ego atleast three times a day" |
| 22:00.40 | unum | has no sense of rythm or beat and is really bitter |
| 22:00.41 | Mellence | Not that kind of band, but High School Bands. |
| 22:00.49 | unum | you have no idea how much that locks you out of |
| 22:01.07 | unum | ooooooooooooooooh |
| 22:01.21 | unum | the part about the drummer still applies :p |
| 22:01.36 | unum | and your saxaphone players |
| 22:03.44 | Mellence | I live in Provo. There is only 1 non-mormon in the band. Unfortunately...he is a saxaphone |
| 22:04.19 | Mellence | that doesn't mean it can't happen, it's just not a standard here |
| 22:04.31 | Mellence | we may have all the band floating around with STD's, but we don't check ;) |
| 22:04.48 | unum | everyone should be checked after the california trip |
| 22:05.08 | Mellence | How did you know about a California trip? |
| 22:05.53 | unum | EVERYONE knows about the california trip |
| 22:06.51 | Mellence | I see... |
| 22:07.10 | Mellence | Well, I wonder who leaked it... |
| 22:07.17 | Mellence | They won't be happy when i'm done |
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| 22:20.06 | bugQ | fires an arrow at a conveniently placed target |
| 22:20.07 | bugQ | |) âºâ» â |
| 22:20.14 | bugQ | ack |
| 22:20.21 | bugQ | |) »â⺠â |
| 22:23.33 | unum | I took a societ and technology class and had to write about an up and comnig technology I wrote about this -> http://trial.p2p-next.org/ |
| 22:23.39 | brac | [SwarmPlayer P2P Video Streaming Test Trial] |
| 22:23.59 | unum | though really I thought you tube had precluded the need |
| 22:27.20 | bugQ | looks useful for things that actually need streaming, though, like webcams |
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| 22:29.44 | bugQ | too bad my isp hates bittorrent's guts |
| 22:41.00 | unum | so let's say I have bzip2'd psql dump that I want to restore |
| 22:41.07 | unum | how do I do that all in one command |
| 22:44.42 | nick125 | bugQ: Which ISP would that be? |
| 22:44.47 | bugQ | comcast |
| 22:44.50 | nick125 | ah. eww. |
| 22:46.24 | {-} | bzcat backup.bz2 | pg_restore |
| 22:47.35 | unum | that looks better than what I did |
| 22:47.38 | unum | but about the same |
| 22:47.45 | unum | I called bunzip2 -c |
| 22:47.55 | unum | but I like your way better |
| 22:48.07 | unum | how do I wipe out an entire database |
| 22:48.10 | {-} | ~cookie {-} |
| 22:48.48 | nick125 | debates on abandoning his openldap mail setup and going to a postgresql virtual setup |
| 22:49.31 | nick125 | OpenLDAP breaks too often, not to mention the additional complexity for really no benefit. |
| 22:49.45 | {-} | psql -c 'drop database' database # or some such |
| 22:50.01 | unum | I want to drop them all |
| 22:50.14 | unum | nick125: I got it working with postgresql it's pretty nice |
| 22:50.28 | {-} | unum: all db's or all tables? |
| 22:50.32 | unum | infact today I was thinking my employer should ditch ldap and go complete to postgres |
| 22:50.39 | unum | {-}: all db's |
| 22:51.06 | unum | if switching to postgres for pam is possible |
| 22:51.13 | nick125 | unum: LDAP is good for doing centralized authentication. My main problem is...do I need centralized authentication? |
| 22:51.17 | unum | right now we have everyone in an ldap and postgres database |
| 22:51.40 | {-} | LDAP is great for integrating an enterprise with software that only supports LDAP |
| 22:52.01 | nick125 | In my setup, LDAP is just too inflexible. |
| 22:52.07 | {-} | In theory, LDAP could be faster than relational storage. In practice.... |
| 22:55.40 | nick125 | I'm really debating on redoing a lot of my network setup |
| 22:56.20 | nick125 | I've been too lazy to move to a mixed NAT/public IP setup |
| 22:56.43 | unum | our user base is so small I don't know that speed matters |
| 22:58.26 | nick125 | right now, iptables has been broken for the last few weeks |
| 22:58.39 | nick125 | in my network |
| 22:58.56 | fozzmoo | You know I've been thinking about something for a while now. |
| 22:59.05 | fozzmoo | And it's time I got this off my chest. |
| 22:59.08 | fozzmoo | TGIF! |
| 22:59.12 | nick125 | lol |
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| 23:00.42 | nick125 | My biggest problem with doing mixed NAT/public is routing traffic from NAT -> public and vice versa. |
| 23:01.10 | Mellence | What would everyone suggest as a first language? I've received Python, C++, Java, and (from my scientist dad, jokingly) fortran. |
| 23:01.19 | nick125 | Python! |
| 23:01.25 | unum | pascal! |
| 23:01.26 | Mellence | Oh, yes, and ruby was in the mix from my brother. |
| 23:01.31 | unum | gwbasic! |
| 23:01.33 | nick125 | Ruby *shutters* |
| 23:02.08 | unum | actually I really do think Python would probably be a good choice |
| 23:02.10 | Mellence | my brother believes ruby to be one of the greatest languages ever created |
| 23:02.16 | Mellence | I personally take a liking to Python. |
| 23:02.19 | *** part/#utah bonez44 (n=scott@75.145.58.209) |
| 23:03.04 | nick125 | I could just do 1:1 NAT, but that's a pain in the rear. |
| 23:03.15 | unum | gwbasic,qbasic(they came free on the computer),pascal(taught in high school),c++(taught in college),php,javascript,python |
| 23:03.26 | unum | perl |
| 23:03.46 | unum | time to go home |
| 23:04.08 | Mellence | I've played with Basic. I don't find it useful... |
| 23:04.18 | tensai | nick125: NAT sucks |
| 23:04.26 | unum | my employer still uses qbasic extensively |
| 23:04.35 | nick125 | tensai: believe me, I know. |
| 23:04.51 | unum | we have several people who don't like change trained on it |
| 23:05.00 | unum | we've been trying to push them to perl |
| 23:05.00 | nick125 | The problem is that I'm running out of public IPs, and some stuff doesn't need public IPs. |
| 23:05.59 | nick125 | for instance, my SIP phones, printers, APs, etc don't need public IPs. |
| 23:07.14 | tensai | I had to renumber my home network this year. went from a /28 to a /32. :'( |
| 23:09.53 | nick125 | ouch |
| 23:09.54 | elg | :'-( |
| 23:10.28 | nick125 | I had mixed NAT/public sort of working...the biggest issue was routing from the public IPs to the internal ones |
| 23:10.39 | elg | hoooooooey |
| 23:10.46 | elg | my inbox has 227 messages since this morning |
| 23:10.57 | elg | i bet 99% are pradipta's rolodex |
| 23:12.01 | nick125 | I'm debating on going back to a dedicated firewall box |
| 23:13.43 | nick125 | things were much simplier then.. |
| 23:29.23 | Tene | Mellence: varies depending on the purpose the person is learning programming. |
| 23:29.52 | Tene | If for the same reasons I like programming, I recommend C. |
| 23:30.08 | Tene | Plain C. None of that ++ crap. |
| 23:39.19 | elg | haha, pradipta has managed to semi redeem himself |
| 23:39.32 | Mellence | I'm only learning ++ for the class |
| 23:39.41 | Sargun | C> C++ |
| 23:39.48 | Mellence | I like school credit for something that is mildly easy. |
| 23:39.57 | elg | he sends an apology (bcc this time), semi-civil and a bit cheesy, but this part is funny: "If anyone wants to contact me feel free to contact this new email |
| 23:39.58 | elg | pradipta416@gmail.com." (there were 416 people) |
| 23:40.10 | Mellence | The only problem i've faced with it so far is some of the libraries that the book says you can use, well, dont' work right. |
| 23:40.26 | Mellence | But i don't require them to finish the class, and they aren't useful libraries either |
| 23:46.44 | elg | there's a $10 geforce 8300 (pci-e) for sale in lehi (craigslist) |
| 23:46.59 | *** join/#utah wps (n=wps@208.53.47.251) |
| 23:47.37 | nick125 | hey Sargun |
| 23:52.25 | nick125 | Sargun: got some free time? |
| 23:55.44 | Sargun | in a bit |
| 23:56.08 | nick125 | since you're the master networking guru, I'd figure you'd be the best person to ask :p |
