| 00:00.06 | nick125 | encryptz: That probably wouldn't happen, though. |
| 00:00.25 | encryptz | yeah. i know. sux |
| 00:01.05 | nick125 | They'd have to port XUL to Webkit, as well. |
| 00:02.25 | Sargun_screen | uhm |
| 00:02.33 | Sargun_screen | Finally going home |
| 00:02.38 | Sargun_screen | SLEEP |
| 00:02.42 | Sargun_screen | yay |
| 00:07.09 | sontek | I would like to see everyone agree on a toolkit and have everyone backing it |
| 00:07.22 | sontek | but again, it'll never happen |
| 00:08.45 | Sargun_screen | a oolkit for what? |
| 00:09.30 | Sargun_screen | a private plane just flew over, neato. |
| 00:10.41 | sontek | Sargun_screen: web rendering |
| 00:10.46 | sontek | Sargun_screen: webkit vs ff |
| 00:12.07 | Sargun_screen | gecko you mean? |
| 00:12.32 | Sargun_screen | Microsoft IE/7.0 |
| 00:12.55 | Sargun_screen | That's where it is, yo. |
| 00:15.17 | sontek | Sargun_screen: gecko and xulrunner, as webkit provides both functionalities |
| 00:16.40 | Sargun_screen | what about IE/ActiveX? |
| 00:17.06 | Sargun_screen | What's wrong with that? |
| 00:17.57 | Sargun_screen | or adobe flash flex + air ontop of both? |
| 00:18.48 | Sargun_screen | why arent you giving a chance to well developed corporate technologies |
| 00:22.38 | sontek | Sargun_screen: You can run flash with FF and WebKit |
| 00:22.53 | sontek | Sargun_screen: and afaik air beta runs in both too |
| 00:22.55 | encryptz | sontek: uh... FOSS? |
| 00:23.23 | sontek | Sargun_screen: but I didn't say they need to use one or the other, I just said I wish everyone would pick one |
| 00:24.31 | encryptz | s/sontek/Sargun_screen/ |
| 00:25.08 | sontek | Sargun_screen: but there are obvious flaws in the activex model that need to be fixed for it to be viable for real use (and obviously ported to multiple browsers) |
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| 00:26.28 | sontek | Sargun_screen: and IE currently has the worse rendering engine out there according to acid, but they are actually pretty fast |
| 00:26.45 | encryptz | all i want,is the ability to load different rendering engines as i see fit, regardless of browser |
| 00:26.55 | sontek | But thats hard to support |
| 00:27.00 | encryptz | knoqueror, firefox, epiphany, etc |
| 00:27.09 | sontek | If there was a generic API that they could adhere to, thats one thing |
| 00:27.10 | nick125 | hopes everyone here realizes that Sargun_screen is joking |
| 00:27.37 | sontek | nick125: you overestimate Sargun! |
| 00:28.03 | encryptz | wonders why ' Sargun_screen ' |
| 00:28.10 | encryptz | and not just Sargun |
| 00:28.32 | sontek | because Sargun is taken by a ghost! |
| 00:29.16 | encryptz | you mean a screen! |
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| 01:08.07 | maquis | glares at the computer, willing her code to start working |
| 01:09.10 | sontek | maquis: if that works, will you do it to mine next? |
| 01:09.52 | nick125 | yeah, once you're done, can you work on mine too? |
| 01:13.44 | maquis | sorry guys |
| 01:13.46 | maquis | no luck |
| 01:13.50 | maquis | it still hates me |
| 01:14.23 | nick125 | dangit |
| 01:14.42 | sontek | i'll continue the staring contest with mine then |
| 01:14.47 | sontek | I think hes about to break |
| 01:14.58 | maquis | sontek: good luck |
| 01:15.11 | nick125 | Mine just looks back at me |
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| 01:22.05 | fugalh | ~lart this stupid internet connection |
| 01:22.05 | ibot | shoves a crumpet down this stupid internet connection's throat, happy now?! Huh? Want some JAM with that? |
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| 05:16.42 | findlay | ~random |
| 05:18.58 | findlay | -excuse |
| 05:18.59 | brac | need to wrap system in aluminum foil to fix problem |
| 05:35.10 | sinuhe | So Reiser led them to her. |
| 05:35.55 | nick125 | really? |
| 05:36.00 | sinuhe | Yup |
| 05:36.37 | sinuhe | http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/07/07/BAN011LDR8.DTL |
| 05:36.39 | brac | [Reiser reveals body's location in exchange for lighter sentence] |
| 05:38.43 | sinuhe | I don't think that one has been confirmed, though it would make sense. |
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| 05:52.06 | levi | What a loser Hans Reiser turned out to be. |
| 07:01.14 | Supaplex | wahou! my ps3 is in SLC now :) |
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| 08:15.32 | knowpix | hah :P |
| 08:15.41 | knowpix | old irssi profile. |
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| 08:20.29 | maquis | anyone here? |
| 08:20.42 | infotron | is that a trick question? |
| 08:26.18 | infotron | *yawn* |
| 08:45.55 | sontek | maquis: ofcourse! |
| 08:46.21 | infotron | mmm cookie |
| 08:46.54 | infotron | scarfs down one of granny b's big pink sugar cookie |
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| 14:57.26 | C4N | slaps RyanE around a bit with a large trout |
| 14:57.31 | C4N | wh00pz |
| 14:57.57 | ^Migs^ | http://gizmodo.com/5022172/found-in-china-hello-kitty-antivirus-and-firewall-software |
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| 15:12.04 | bonez44 | Help.. my wife is in Provo/Orem today.. and needs to find a wifi hotspot... |
| 15:12.18 | bonez44 | I was hoping she could stop at Harmons and use theirs, but they don't have it up yet....... |
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| 15:12.40 | decriptor | bonez44: borders? |
| 15:12.42 | pmcnabb | bonez44: provo public library? byu campus? |
| 15:12.56 | bonez44 | anyone know of any good free wifi hotspots .. near the University exit... on north side.....near orem? |
| 15:13.01 | decriptor | pmcnabb: you have to have a byu id to get on byu don't you? |
| 15:13.12 | bonez44 | hmm wife has her BYU instructor ID, yeah... |
| 15:13.14 | decriptor | bonez44: there might be in the new uvu library |
| 15:13.17 | pmcnabb | decriptor: they have public access machines.. not wifi, but free internet |
| 15:13.19 | bonez44 | ah, that's true...... |
| 15:13.35 | bonez44 | free internet.. she just needs to boot up her laptop and find access for it |
| 15:13.47 | bonez44 | ok.. UVU is across the freeway from where she is.. that will work |
| 15:13.51 | decriptor | bonez44: I think uvu has a free general public wifi, they block sites like myspace and facebook and things like that |
| 15:14.16 | decriptor | bonez44: I know they do, they also have tons of network jacks in the new library |
| 15:14.52 | bonez44 | that's ok, my wife will probably never log on to myspace, just as she will never play any game on her laptop or other PC....."computers are for work, damnit".. she says....not for goofing around |
| 15:15.00 | bonez44 | thanks.. a bunch |
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| 15:33.25 | C4N | did Starbucks start hosting wifi? |
| 15:35.03 | Sargun | ? |
| 15:35.07 | Sargun | hosting wifi. |
| 15:35.10 | Sargun | Hosted wifi |
| 15:35.33 | C4N | started to host wifi? |
| 15:35.36 | C4N | Hahahah |
| 15:35.52 | C4N | I have no idea.. all this new age grammar is killing me |
| 15:35.55 | Midorikawa | heh. I wouldn't set foot in starbucks, so I dunno. :-P |
| 15:35.55 | C4N | ;-) |
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| 15:36.47 | sontek | C4N: they've moved from t-mobile wifi (which customers had to pay for) to a free wifi from AT&T |
| 15:37.12 | C4N | LoL, they were charging.. how s4d. |
| 15:37.17 | C4N | that's good to know, thanks sontek |
| 15:37.52 | sontek | is your a broken? or do you just like replacing it with 4's once in awhile |
| 15:38.11 | C4N | I like numbers |
| 15:38.16 | C4N | the latter |
| 15:38.55 | sontek | weird |
| 15:39.04 | sontek | I didn't know people did that still |
| 15:39.23 | C4N | yeah, I'm old school.. at least I'm not using ascii |
| 15:39.46 | sontek | old school means it was cool at one time |
| 15:39.55 | sontek | I assure you, 1337 Sp34k never was ;p |
| 15:40.01 | C4N | LoL |
| 15:40.02 | C4N | :-) |
| 15:40.22 | C4N | has anyone seen L337 on the banner going north on I-15? |
| 15:40.34 | C4N | I was like wtfreak?? no one's going to understand that |
| 15:41.02 | sontek | thats exactly what i'm saying, no one can understand you when you speak with numbers :P |
| 15:41.20 | Sargun | sontek, apparently you can. |
| 15:41.40 | sontek | Sargun: I've got a babel fish |
| 15:42.21 | Sargun | I didn't think you had enough brain waves for one ;-P |
| 15:43.16 | C4N | to be technical, no one 'speaks' with numbers.. they write with them |
| 15:43.26 | sontek | Sargun: I setup distcc for it! |
| 15:43.32 | C4N | can you imagine if one day I was like this is "el Three Three Seven!" |
| 15:44.08 | findlay | d00d, t3h numb3rs 4r3 t0t411y c001 !!1 |
| 15:44.14 | peno | sontek: you'll have to ignore C4N.. he's a counter-strike player. |
| 15:44.34 | C4N | hahahaha |
| 15:44.35 | peno | and they're not good with words. |
| 15:44.40 | C4N | we shoot things. |
| 15:45.11 | Midorikawa | I know some counterstrike players who can still pass as human though. :-P |
| 15:45.17 | C4N | .setinfo |
| 15:45.19 | C4N | !setinfo |
| 15:45.20 | C4N | !set |
| 15:45.21 | Midorikawa | C4N just fits in with the majority. :-P |
| 15:45.22 | C4N | !help |
| 15:45.23 | C4N | @we;rogkjhsdglkjsdfljksdgf |
| 15:45.29 | fozzmoo | ~lart C4N |
| 15:45.29 | ibot | explains, ever so gently, that if C4N doesn't give the channel more information, they can't help |
| 15:45.30 | C4N | what are commands on this server??? |
| 15:46.12 | C4N | ~lart ibot |
| 15:46.12 | ibot | gives c4n a good seeing to |
| 15:46.18 | Midorikawa | haha |
| 15:46.31 | C4N | o_O |
| 15:46.32 | peno | ~thump C4N |
| 15:46.33 | ibot | ACTION thumps C4N in the ear with a brick! |
| 15:46.39 | C4N | lol |
| 15:46.43 | peno | now sit quiet. |
| 15:46.44 | C4N | with a brick, huh? that's cruel |
| 15:52.47 | sontek | ~rlart |
| 15:52.47 | ibot | hauls undertakingyou up by the scruff of the neck and spanks him until he waddles |
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| 16:31.28 | fungus | ~nicometer C4N |
| 16:31.32 | fungus | ~nickometer C4N |
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| 16:35.04 | sjansen | http://www3.baylor.edu/~Jesse_Airaudi/nothingwords.html |
| 16:35.05 | brac | ["How to Say Nothing in 500 Words"] |
| 16:35.17 | sjansen | "Pretty soon your paper will be full of broken glass and blood and headless torsos, and reaching five hundred words will not really be a problem." |
| 16:38.40 | sjansen | Modern science, particularly psychology, contributes many polysyllables in which we can wrap our thoughts and blunt their force. To many writers there is no such thing as a bad schoolboy. Schoolboys are maladjusted or unoriented or misunderstood or in the need of guidance or lacking in continued success toward satisfactory integration of the personality as a social unit, but they are never bad. Psychology no doubt makes us better men and women |
| 16:38.40 | sjansen | , more sympathetic and tolerant, but it doesn't make writing any easier. Had Shakespeare been confronted with psychology, "To be or not to be" might have come out, "To continue as a social unit or not to do so. That is the personality problem. Whether 'tis a better sign of integration at the conscious level to display a psychic tolerance toward the maladjustments and repressions induced by one's lack of orientation in one's environment or -- " |
| 16:53.59 | mrpull | whoa... I missed that Reiser took police to his wife's body yesterday |
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| 17:02.13 | maquis | mrpull: yup |
| 17:04.08 | infotron | now for a fun brain teaser http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2008/07/what-comes-next-in-this-series-13-33-53.html |
| 17:08.27 | Sargun | that's not a brain teaser |
| 17:08.32 | Sargun | read the entire article |
| 17:09.57 | infotron | and spoil the answer for everyone else? |
| 17:10.21 | Sargun | no |
| 17:10.25 | Sargun | its just annoying |
| 17:10.48 | infotron | it's not a math brain teaser if that's what you were expecting |
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| 17:27.38 | Sargun | infotron, I was hoping ofr that |
| 17:34.30 | infotron | sorry about that :) |
| 17:36.02 | maquis | whee! |
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| 18:19.34 | findlay | what tunes are you guys listening to today? |
| 18:21.13 | sontek | findlay: check our last.fm! |
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| 18:27.29 | findlay | eh |
| 18:27.40 | findlay | sounds web 2.0 |
| 18:27.46 | findlay | too much effort :) |
| 18:28.06 | Sargun | ~lart findlay |
| 18:28.06 | ibot | pours gasoline all over findlay, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze |
| 18:28.23 | findlay | so, I was talking to my dad about music for his music appreciation class |
| 18:28.38 | findlay | he said they only have one set of Beethoven symphonies on itunes |
| 18:28.40 | findlay | one set |
| 18:28.53 | findlay | how do they expect us to take them seriously? |
| 18:29.15 | findlay | any self respecting person will have at least 3 Beethoven cycles |
| 18:29.34 | findlay | any self respecting music outlet will have at least a dozen |
| 18:30.02 | Sargun | what does amazon.com have? |
| 18:30.05 | findlay | total FAIL |
| 18:30.35 | findlay | amazon doesn't typically have a good selection, but they're going to have way more than itunes |
| 18:31.01 | Sargun | ~lart findlay |
| 18:31.01 | ibot | rm -rf's findlay |
| 18:39.04 | dataw0lf | findlay: March Fourth Marching Band |
| 18:50.52 | C4N | ~lart C4N |
| 18:50.52 | ibot | resizes C4N's terminal to 40x24 |
| 18:51.55 | RyanE | Jayce^: http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-make-a-paintball-silencer/ |
| 18:51.57 | brac | [How to make a paintball silencer - Instructables - DIY, How To, outdoors, sports] |
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| 19:09.56 | Jayce^ | RyanE, yeah, used to make ones like that a long time ago, but my current gun doesn't need it |
| 19:10.08 | Jayce^ | also, some states you can get in trouble for making them :/ |
| 19:10.46 | RyanE | why am I not surprised? |
| 19:10.51 | RyanE | (at both) |
| 19:11.20 | elg | why? |
| 19:11.40 | RyanE | why am I not surprised? |
| 19:11.48 | RyanE | or why doesn't his new gun need it? |
| 19:12.03 | elg | why would it be illegal to silence a paintball gun? |
| 19:12.11 | elg | rationale, that is |
| 19:12.29 | elg | so you can't harrass the cop on the other side of the field without him knowing where to chase? |
| 19:13.06 | Jayce^ | elg, because it's the same principle to make one for a real gun, and supposedly you could do minor mods to convert it |
| 19:13.14 | Jayce^ | and that's *very* regulated :) |
| 19:13.32 | Jayce^ | the "paintball" part doesn't matter to the ATF |
| 19:14.06 | findlay | do you think they'll mind if I make a silencer for my rail gun? |
| 19:14.35 | Sargun | findlay, of course not |
| 19:15.08 | findlay | that way I can aniahlate an entire mountain in silence |
| 19:15.29 | RyanE | only one way to find out. Call your local ATF field office. :) |
| 19:15.42 | findlay | what's ATF? |
| 19:15.59 | RyanE | Bureau of Alcohol, Tabacco and Firearms. |
| 19:20.02 | ^Migs^ | http://www.timw.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/awkward-toilet.jpg |
| 19:27.20 | RyanE | http://www.timw.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/awkward-toilet.jpg |
| 19:27.26 | RyanE | duh. I hate it when I do that. |
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| 19:55.30 | gshipley | creating a new OS project and releasing it this week. Does anyone know who I message to get ops on the chan I want here on freenode? |
| 19:57.26 | maquis | notices from a dead putty session that she asked the "anyone here?" question last night in this channel |
| 19:57.33 | maquis | i don't remember asking that |
| 19:57.41 | maquis | and i usually don't like it when people do that |
| 19:57.56 | findlay | maquis: my records show that somebody else said that |
| 19:58.02 | nick125 | 02:20 <+maquis> anyone here? |
| 19:58.22 | findlay | oh, wait, it was you :) |
| 19:58.26 | maquis | nick125: yeah... that one |
| 19:58.38 | maquis | i must've been really out of it |
| 19:58.39 | findlay | what were you thinking? :) |
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| 19:58.57 | maquis | findlay: i don't think i was |
| 19:59.05 | findlay | -excuse |
| 19:59.05 | brac | Internet shut down due to maintenance |
| 19:59.23 | maquis | -excuse |
| 19:59.23 | brac | Bit rot |
| 19:59.27 | maquis | heh |
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| 20:14.43 | goozbach | gshipley: chanserv |
| 20:14.52 | goozbach | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:15.00 | gshipley | goozbach: yeah, i figured it out.. someone already owns the chan :( |
| 20:22.54 | elg | http://www.blackhat.com/presentations/bh-europe-06/bh-eu-06-biondi/bh-eu-06-biondi-up.pdf |
| 20:23.04 | elg | why friends don't let friends use skype |
| 20:37.32 | sontek | anyone know phil windley's e-mail address? the one on his resume bounces back and the only contact thing he has on his site requires you to register |
| 20:37.40 | sontek | and I'm not much for registering on site |
| 20:37.41 | sontek | s |
| 20:37.44 | fozzmoo | elg: Can you summarize? Not sure I want to go through all that assembly code |
| 20:38.03 | elg | i just skimmed it, i didn't read the assembly |
| 20:39.17 | elg | basically, skype is übersecret and you have no way of knowing if there's a backdoor. oh, and they were able to compromise skype, its network, and have a plausible mitm attack |
| 20:39.45 | fozzmoo | Ahhh. That makes sense. |
| 20:40.01 | elg | combined with the more pragmatic reasons why skype is evil (no interop) |
| 20:40.31 | sontek | But skype is also the only good video conferencing software that works with other platforms on Linux |
| 20:40.33 | elg | but skim through the pdf. some of the anti-whatever measures those skype people are taking are beyond ridiculous |
| 20:41.27 | elg | i don't know video conferencing. phones are bad enough, I can't imagine wanting to video conference. |
| 20:41.38 | elg | but I find your statement hard to believe |
| 20:42.52 | sontek | Ekiga is supposed to work with SIP but I don't know many people with SIP |
| 20:43.11 | sontek | But nothing is as polished as skype |
| 20:43.32 | elg | ergo |
| 20:43.41 | elg | you don't know people with sip because they're all using skype |
| 20:43.50 | elg | but skype has no interop, so you're all stuck with skype |
| 20:44.10 | sontek | yeah, thats the biggest issue, thats why I've revamped the Banter project |
| 20:44.12 | elg | which might have a backdoor or be doing automated corporate espionage and/or be exploited by blackhat types per the paper I posted |
| 20:44.24 | elg | s/paper/slides/ |
| 20:44.49 | sontek | Telepathy has a whole video stack that is supposed to be compatible with jabber and msn's video stack |
| 20:46.03 | sontek | I don't think its compatible with H.323 though |
| 20:46.37 | elg | i tell people they are welcome to contact me with voip at sip:hans@fugal.net. matter-of-factly, as if it's the obvious standard (like you'd give a web or email address, and really it's the same). I let them figure out they can't do that with skype (or tell them if they ask). |
| 20:47.47 | elg | anyway, i'm not saying not to use skype if you must (though I choose not to, i take the opposite stance on other "evil" closed proprietary things like nvidia drivers). just presenting evidence of its evility |
| 20:47.51 | elg | ~dict evility |
| 20:47.59 | elg | ~dict evilness |
| 20:48.07 | elg | well, evilness then. :) |
| 20:51.42 | sontek | Yeah, I'm not defending it as a not evil, i'm just saying its the best out there :P |
| 20:52.03 | sontek | But with telepathy's stack, they are compatible with SIP and Jabber |
| 20:52.13 | sontek | so that'll remove my only use for it |
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| 21:07.05 | *** mode/#utah [-o emcnabb] by Jayce^ |
| 21:07.08 | Jayce^ | wtf? who gave him that? |
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| 21:09.41 | *** mode/#utah [-o Jayce^] by elg |
| 21:10.04 | sontek | uh oh! WAAARRRRRRRRR |
| 21:10.14 | elg | I don't know about y'all, but I feel a lot safer now. He probably has a silencer for his irc client |
| 21:10.19 | nick125 | passes out the popcorn |
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| 21:10.57 | elg | hm, actually popcorn sounds just about right. thanks |
| 21:11.13 | Jayce^ | elg, and you left sjansen with rights? |
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| 21:15.35 | goozbach | hmm |
| 21:15.41 | goozbach | I wasn't identified. |
| 21:15.54 | goozbach | wonder how long that's been going on? |
| 21:19.11 | elg | drat, no popcorn in the house |
| 21:19.30 | ^Migs^ | WORST poison ivy skin rash ever: http://www.poison-ivy.org/rash/rash-26.htm |
| 21:19.34 | ^Migs^ | warning, really gross |
| 21:19.36 | brac | [Poison Ivy Rash Photos] |
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| 21:58.22 | elg | hm, anyone in the pg area with a solder gun? |
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| 22:20.03 | lakshmi-palm | hii |
| 22:20.13 | lakshmi-palm | tripple hi |
| 23:39.16 | RyanE | elg: you need an actual solder gun, not a soldering iron? |
| 23:39.26 | elg | iron, sorry |
| 23:39.39 | RyanE | I have one in Highland, not too far from PG. |
| 23:39.50 | RyanE | but I wont' be there until 6:30ish. |
| 23:40.03 | RyanE | *if all goes well*... :) |
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