| 00:00.01 | PoeticIntensity | hehe... |
| 00:00.07 | PoeticIntensity | finding unbiased information is quite the task among us... |
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| 00:00.37 | PoeticIntensity | reads webpy.org |
| 00:01.44 | sinuhe | We've avoided a flame war quite well. :-) |
| 00:01.52 | PoeticIntensity | no - doubt. |
| 00:01.55 | PoeticIntensity | I'm impressed! |
| 00:02.04 | PoeticIntensity | Flamewars are primarily the reason nobody here knows me.. |
| 00:02.12 | sinuhe | Maybe I should throw out some inflammatory trolling remarks, and see what happens. |
| 00:02.13 | PoeticIntensity | I read the mailing list daily... |
| 00:02.23 | nick125 | flamewars are fun...just as long as you're on the winning side |
| 00:02.24 | sinuhe | Oh, I know: perl is awkward. |
| 00:02.26 | sinuhe | ducks |
| 00:02.56 | PoeticIntensity | anywho... thanks a million for the Python help, dataw0lf, sinuhe, and Sargun. |
| 00:03.01 | PoeticIntensity | I've gotta get home. |
| 00:03.11 | dataw0lf | wow, where's Jayce? |
| 00:03.16 | PoeticIntensity | have a great 4th! |
| 00:03.38 | dataw0lf | you too! |
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| 02:32.38 | elg | anyone know qwest.net setup? I'm doing the setup and it's on the net (hi) but now it's asking about a "login" |
| 02:32.46 | elg | can use existing windows live, hotmail, etc. accounts |
| 02:33.03 | elg | what will i break if I ignore it? is it maybe the email account? |
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| 03:42.35 | elg | @#$!#%~!@@%#@@@@@@@@@@@@@ |
| 03:42.50 | elg | i go on vacation and first day my stupid power adapetr fails |
| 03:42.58 | elg | i have an extra one, 800 miles away |
| 03:50.37 | levi | Good evening, folks. |
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| 03:52.50 | elg | phew, false alarm. that must be a bad circuit. but my power adapter is bad and needs to be replaced, it's just not entirely nonfunctional. |
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| 04:10.47 | levi | Heh, atoponce picks a real 'winner' again. |
| 04:28.14 | tristanbob | levi, no like identica? |
| 04:31.03 | levi | Software with 'freedom' as its primary draw is not likely to draw an audience very far beyond Linux geeks, and that's not going to make much of a social networ service. But I wouldn't be too disappointed to be wrong on this one. |
| 04:33.08 | tristanbob | levi, I know - I want the Iphone 3g, but shouldn't I be wanting the freerunner? |
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| 04:42.10 | levi | What's the 'freerunner'? |
| 04:42.39 | levi | Is that the latest OpenMoko thing? |
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| 06:30.31 | findlay | you can keep your iphones |
| 06:30.36 | findlay | I want an openmoko |
| 06:34.08 | findlay | guess what happened to me today? |
| 06:34.25 | findlay | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:34.25 | Supaplex | you aged a whole day? |
| 06:34.52 | Supaplex | what did she call you? |
| 06:35.01 | findlay | I don't know |
| 06:35.08 | findlay | I haven't listened to the message yet |
| 06:35.19 | findlay | right now I'm just enjoying the moment |
| 06:36.12 | Supaplex | cool. |
| 06:38.45 | findlay | hehe |
| 07:04.59 | nick125 | Don't you just love it when your fancy light switch breaks in the middle of the night, leaving your bedroom light on with no way to turn it off without turning off the power to the room? |
| 07:05.18 | Sargun | findlay, she only called you to tell you to leave her alone. |
| 07:05.47 | Sargun | nick125, don't you love it when your fancy locks fail, and lock you out of the room that has the device to save your house in it? |
| 07:08.07 | findlay | don't you love it when the Universe knows by what rules it is made but it's recessed behind a threshold impenetrable to current science? |
| 07:15.49 | Sargun | ~lart findlay |
| 07:15.49 | ibot | turns findlay into a lifesized tux doll |
| 07:41.59 | nick125 | well, I got the light off until the morning... |
| 07:42.13 | Sargun | hi nick125 |
| 07:42.13 | Sargun | ping |
| 07:42.35 | nick125 | HI |
| 07:42.37 | nick125 | er |
| 07:42.38 | nick125 | hi |
| 07:43.04 | Sargun | hehe |
| 07:44.58 | nick125 | emails lutron |
| 07:45.39 | nick125 | Maybe by the morning, one of their "product application engineers" will have emailed me back. |
| 07:46.37 | Sargun | hehe |
| 07:46.43 | Sargun | what kind of light switch do you have |
| 07:47.26 | nick125 | Lutron MA-LFQHW-WH |
| 07:48.07 | nick125 | I believ |
| 07:48.08 | nick125 | e |
| 07:50.38 | Sargun | well, what's so special about it? |
| 07:52.28 | nick125 | dunno |
| 07:52.55 | nick125 | According to the manual, what its doing now is a sign of a "communication error" and to check the wiring. |
| 07:53.56 | nick125 | And if the wiring is fine (which it should be) to call Lutron technical support |
| 07:55.18 | Sargun | nick125, pickup yer phone |
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| 09:17.06 | nick125 | Well, it turns out that if you put less than 40W load on this dimmer switch, it'll start to act weird. |
| 09:19.07 | nick125 | I put CFLs in there a while ago, so that's probably the reason. |
| 09:22.20 | nick125 | I put in some 60W incandescent bulbs and the switch magically started to work |
| 10:14.00 | Sargun | Hahaha |
| 10:14.06 | Sargun | nick125, that's crazy & stupid. |
| 10:17.09 | Sargun_screen | You should call them on their anti-enviromental tendencies |
| 13:05.40 | encryptz | levi: not a fan of free software? |
| 13:05.54 | Sargun | levi loves free software. |
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| 15:36.23 | findlay | nick125: I don't think you can dim a fluorescent light |
| 15:36.44 | findlay | you might, but I'm pretty sure there's some kind of voltage threshold |
| 15:47.27 | Supaplex | happy 4th |
| 15:51.36 | findlay | what's 4th? |
| 15:52.58 | Sargun | ~lart findlay |
| 15:52.58 | ibot | raises middle finger to findlay |
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| 17:11.02 | sontek | someone needs to slap stallman with a trout |
| 17:12.00 | sontek | http://flatn.com/poesying-matilda/ |
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| 19:08.02 | findlay | any GUI designers here? |
| 19:08.09 | findlay | wps? |
| 19:09.15 | findlay | what's the widget called that looks like a combo box with a drop down menu, but you can select the text and edit it and it gives you an auto complete list? |
| 19:16.23 | Sargun | must resist larting findlay |
| 19:17.27 | findlay | maybe it's a sense reproach over how little you know about widgets |
| 19:22.12 | nick125 | findlay: Yeah, you can't dim normal CFLs. |
| 19:23.52 | Sargun | do you have ultraCFLs? |
| 19:24.19 | Sargun | nick125, Also certain badly built dimmers who don't scale properly won't work with smaller bulbs. |
| 19:24.42 | Sargun | AKA, they expect a high load to trigger some internal mechanism to trigger the dimming process |
| 19:25.16 | Sargun | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:25.23 | Sargun | and the only way to stop it is the power outlet? |
| 19:25.38 | Sargun | (blaring at 100 dB in all fashion) |
| 19:25.43 | Sargun | and the "remote" is SSH |
| 19:26.24 | Sargun | pokes nick125 |
| 19:26.29 | nick125 | Sargun: Yeah, I have two working theories - 1) The dimmer acts funny if you don't have 40W+ load; 2) the CFLs began to interfere with the communication. |
| 19:26.34 | nick125 | Sargun: yes, that's bad. |
| 19:26.41 | Sargun | CFLs kill the sine wave btw |
| 19:26.49 | Sargun | they don't give a clean output. |
| 19:27.22 | findlay | in order to sustain the plasma you have to have a sufficient amount of current |
| 19:28.07 | findlay | besides that, I'm sure the power brick that is embedded in a CFL regulates the power output to whatever the light is rated at |
| 19:28.56 | nick125 | Whatever it is, I put a normal incandescent bulb in and reset the dimmer switch and tada, it works. |
| 19:29.30 | findlay | try hooking up a few CFL's in parallel |
| 19:31.20 | Sargun | nick125, buy a incandescent lightbulb. Crack it. Make sure all the sharp edges are taken off. |
| 19:31.53 | Sargun | Then go and solder two high current/voltage cables. One to the bottom contact, and one to the side contact. |
| 19:32.01 | Sargun | Then stick a dowel in the remaining parts of that. |
| 19:32.22 | Sargun | Hook up a power meter/variable resistor |
| 19:32.29 | Sargun | adjust the dimmer to see if it hits current |
| 19:32.33 | Sargun | or voltage |
| 19:32.48 | Sargun | or frequency. |
| 19:33.31 | findlay | why would you want to crack open the vacuum tube? |
| 19:33.53 | findlay | if the tungsten filament heats up in air it will burn out in a couple of seconds |
| 19:38.14 | Sargun | findlay, I'm saying remove all of that |
| 19:38.25 | Sargun | Use it as a cheap interface with the light bulb socket. |
| 19:38.36 | findlay | oh |
| 19:38.36 | Sargun | findlay, I'm saying do this while it is off. |
| 19:38.51 | Sargun | I know you can purchase them also, but making one yourself would be easier & cheaper in the long run |
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| 21:27.47 | nick125 | damnit. I can't find my stupid car charger for my Treo. |
| 21:28.07 | Sargun | Ha. |
| 21:28.12 | Sargun | nick125, what are you doing. |
| 21:28.32 | nick125 | trying to find my charger |
| 21:28.48 | Sargun | other than that. |
| 21:29.04 | Sargun | and just solder two leads to your cigarette lighter jack |
| 21:29.04 | nick125 | That's about it |
| 21:29.06 | Sargun | and figure it out. |
| 21:30.17 | nick125 | yeah..no |
| 21:30.39 | nick125 | Sargun: Know anywhere I could get one today? |
| 21:31.42 | Sargun | amazon.com |
| 21:31.44 | Sargun | fry's |
| 21:31.53 | nick125 | $30...screw that. I'll just order one online. |
| 21:31.58 | Sargun | BB |
| 21:32.13 | nick125 | or...I wonder if the VZW kiosk in CC is open |
| 21:33.50 | nick125 | and I wonder if I get my accessories discount in-store.. |
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| 22:42.52 | sontek | http://marriedtothesea.com/051508/survival-of-the-spitefullest.gif |
| 22:48.23 | Sargun | sontek, NSFW |
| 22:53.04 | sontek | if your work doesn't like skeletons |
| 22:53.29 | sontek | but safe for work for 99.9% of the world ;) |
| 23:01.25 | Sargun | it says "dick" |
| 23:01.45 | Sargun | in reference to "smallest dick" |
| 23:05.17 | nick125 | I'm pretty sure everyone has heard of one. |
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