| 00:06.17 | nick125 | You know what would be interesting/fun? take over a FM radio repeater and rick roll everyone. |
| 00:06.31 | RazberrieTart | :S |
| 00:06.37 | RazberrieTart | :D even |
| 00:07.08 | nick125 | waits for the "Well, that's illegal!" people to wake up |
| 00:07.29 | nick125 | (aka Captain(s) Obvious) |
| 00:08.19 | Sargun | Its illegal? |
| 00:08.28 | nick125 | Sargun: Last I checked, yes. |
| 00:08.43 | nick125 | Sargun: Your old AP is illegal, too. |
| 00:08.44 | Sargun | ITS ILLEGAL |
| 00:08.47 | Sargun | shutup. |
| 00:08.51 | Sargun | screw you. |
| 00:08.51 | Sargun | die. |
| 00:08.54 | Sargun | (in a fire) |
| 00:08.59 | nick125 | Hahah |
| 00:09.17 | nick125 | I remember, anytime you would transfer data, anything in the 2.4ghz range (or even in the 1.9ghz PCS range) would go dead |
| 00:09.17 | lakshmi | how bout in a blimp? |
| 00:09.41 | nick125 | lakshmi: You wasted your precious internet to say that? |
| 00:09.50 | lakshmi | mhmms |
| 00:09.56 | lakshmi | its gunna die in 5 mins |
| 00:10.01 | lakshmi | my hour is up |
| 00:10.06 | lakshmi | and my rents are really mad |
| 00:10.16 | Sargun | lol |
| 00:10.26 | nick125 | at? |
| 00:10.41 | lakshmi | the 15$ an hour for webs |
| 00:11.38 | RazberrieTart | Good God. |
| 00:11.44 | nick125 | Should've stayed in the Us, lakshmi. |
| 00:11.48 | nick125 | *US |
| 00:11.55 | lakshmi | nick125 i agree |
| 00:12.09 | lakshmi | the stupid europeans really have to get their technoloigy down |
| 00:12.15 | lakshmi | i know they like preserving old stuff |
| 00:12.18 | lakshmi | but cmon |
| 00:12.19 | lakshmi | dial up |
| 00:12.21 | lakshmi | kill that |
| 00:12.40 | Sargun | hhaah |
| 00:12.40 | Sargun | HAHA |
| 00:13.25 | nick125 | Here, even the cheap motels where the bed falls apart and the leg comes off the nightstand have free wifi. |
| 00:14.18 | lakshmi | Sargun |
| 00:14.23 | lakshmi | PM |
| 00:14.56 | Sargun | nick125, not relaly |
| 00:14.56 | nick125 | lakshmi: $15USD, right? |
| 00:15.02 | Sargun | she died |
| 00:15.20 | nick125 | I'd really have to laugh if it was $15EUR |
| 00:15.41 | nick125 | For that much, you can get a DSL line here in the states. For a whole month! |
| 00:15.55 | nick125 | (Which is like ~730 hours) |
| 00:16.33 | nick125 | Sargun: fun |
| 00:17.09 | Sargun | >>> 24*30 |
| 00:17.09 | Sargun | 720 |
| 00:17.09 | Sargun | >>> 24*31 |
| 00:17.09 | Sargun | 744 |
| 00:17.09 | Sargun | >>> 24*29 |
| 00:17.11 | Sargun | 696 |
| 00:17.27 | nick125 | I was doing averaging between 30 and 31 days. |
| 00:18.06 | Sargun | >>> (720+744)/2.0 |
| 00:18.06 | Sargun | 732.>>> (720+744)/2.0 |
| 00:18.06 | Sargun | 732.0 |
| 00:18.06 | Sargun | 0 |
| 00:18.11 | Sargun | still wrong |
| 00:18.21 | nick125 | stabs Sargun |
| 00:18.35 | Sargun | defends with +10 defence. |
| 00:18.41 | Sargun | nukes nick125 |
| 00:18.57 | nick125 | Hey! No nukes. |
| 00:22.33 | Sargun | Aw. |
| 00:23.07 | Sargun | rm -rf nick125.brain |
| 00:23.14 | Sargun | rm: cannot remove `nick125.brain` No such file or directory |
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| 00:57.08 | brac | puts Lone_Wanderer in a room with several heavily armed SCO lawyers |
| 00:57.23 | Lone_Wanderer | SCO lawyers? Come on, give me a real challenge. |
| 01:43.15 | levi | Oh geez, this tape my daughter had me put in has Paula Abdul and Zoe the muppet from Sesame Street. |
| 01:43.40 | RazberrieTart | rofl |
| 01:45.16 | mecworks_ | Hey, is www.utosc.org down? |
| 01:46.31 | mecworks_ | never mind |
| 02:25.57 | levi | RazberrieTart: My wife ended up watching it more than my daughter did. |
| 02:27.18 | RazberrieTart | ROFL ! :D |
| 02:35.21 | levi | Brief visit from the undertaker. :) |
| 02:42.55 | sontek | now that he has his minion of a daughter he doesn't have time for us! |
| 02:43.13 | elg | ~dict minion |
| 02:43.59 | elg | ~dict minion 2 |
| 02:44.08 | elg | ~dict 2 minion |
| 02:44.18 | sontek | She was born on Friday the 13th =) |
| 02:44.20 | elg | ~dict 3 minion |
| 02:44.41 | elg | ~dict minion 4 |
| 02:44.46 | elg | ~dict 4 minion |
| 02:45.02 | elg | ~dict 5 minion |
| 02:45.05 | sontek | Thats cool, I didn't know dict supported multiple tears like that :P |
| 02:45.15 | elg | ~dict tierr |
| 02:45.21 | elg | ~dict tie |
| 02:45.22 | sontek | tiers* |
| 02:45.22 | elg | argh |
| 02:45.40 | sontek | haha nice |
| 02:45.46 | sontek | "I am tied to UNIX" |
| 02:46.01 | sontek | are the dictionaries user created then? |
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| 02:46.14 | sontek | or does tie just happen to have something about Unix in it? |
| 02:46.16 | elg | probably from dict |
| 02:46.45 | sontek | undertakingyou: hows being a father?! |
| 02:47.09 | undertakingyou | sontek: it is interesting. |
| 02:47.17 | undertakingyou | Kind of a trip really |
| 02:49.38 | undertakingyou | but good overall. You should try in sontek |
| 02:50.34 | Sargun | Write a review on it. |
| 03:01.13 | undertakingyou | Sargun: that is a hard sale. She eats, sleeps, cries, and poops. |
| 03:01.17 | undertakingyou | But she is cute. |
| 03:01.27 | undertakingyou | <shrug> :) |
| 03:02.06 | Sargun | Low to Zero ROI |
| 03:06.46 | Sargun | When she's going to be a teenager she's going to make your life miserable |
| 03:06.59 | Sargun | when she goes to college you're going to have a huge hole in your pocket. |
| 03:07.37 | undertakingyou | Sargun: true . . . possibly. |
| 03:07.42 | Sargun | Other than that, I've heard its a breeze. |
| 03:07.51 | undertakingyou | I could make her pay for college herself :) |
| 03:07.52 | Sargun | ;-P |
| 03:08.11 | Sargun | undertakingyou, but what if she drops out and ends up in a position you wouldn't want her to be in |
| 03:09.52 | Sargun | or she starts doing suggestive work to pay for her college tuition. |
| 03:10.15 | undertakingyou | Sargun: there comes a point where the choice is hers and it is my job to teach her now |
| 03:10.25 | undertakingyou | Eventually every bird must fly on its own. |
| 03:10.28 | Sargun | That never works. |
| 03:10.29 | Sargun | No. |
| 03:10.50 | Sargun | I wish humans could be programmed. |
| 03:11.21 | Sargun | Well, that works, only a small amount of the time. |
| 03:11.39 | undertakingyou | Sargun: but I'm her dad, not creator or taskmaster |
| 03:11.59 | Sargun | Yeah. |
| 03:12.17 | undertakingyou | (creator said in a philosophical sense. I realize it is my DNA etc.) |
| 03:12.38 | Sargun | I presume your Christian, LDS? |
| 03:12.56 | undertakingyou | Yes, and yes |
| 03:14.22 | Sargun | So, first question: How old does she have to be before you can take her outside? |
| 03:14.31 | Sargun | Not like on a walk |
| 03:14.37 | Sargun | but to the grocery store. |
| 03:15.09 | undertakingyou | We went to a BBQ for the family when she was two days old, and we went to my company party with 200 people there when she was eight days old. |
| 03:15.23 | undertakingyou | She is portable. If we need to go we just take her. |
| 03:15.41 | RazberrieTart | hehe |
| 03:15.52 | Sargun | :-/ |
| 03:16.28 | Sargun | Yay! My sister found another boyfriend! |
| 03:17.09 | undertakingyou | Sargun: another? She has two? |
| 03:17.23 | Sargun | No, the previous one dumped her. |
| 03:17.37 | undertakingyou | he was probably a jerk |
| 03:17.50 | Sargun | She's replaced him (or I believe, as the guy downstairs has her head resting on him) |
| 03:17.55 | Sargun | Not really. |
| 03:17.56 | Sargun | I don |
| 03:18.03 | Sargun | 't particularly blame him. |
| 03:18.57 | undertakingyou | Well, if she is laying on the new guy that is a good indication. May I ask, how old is your sister? |
| 03:19.05 | Sargun | 24-26? |
| 03:20.20 | Sargun | Cal graudate. |
| 03:20.42 | Sargun | First full time job as of about 2 weeks ago @ $23 / hr |
| 03:24.03 | undertakingyou | Sargun: she sounds like quite the catch. Why do you say you don't blame the ex for leaving her? |
| 03:24.28 | tristanbob | Sargun, she was just practicing the stay-at-home thing before she got married, right? |
| 03:24.37 | Sargun | No. |
| 03:24.51 | Sargun | She's lived in and out of the house (mostly in) for the past several years |
| 03:25.07 | Sargun | entire college tuition was paid by my dad. |
| 03:26.29 | undertakingyou | Is she a little spoiled then? Maybe still in need of 'real world' experience. |
| 03:26.47 | undertakingyou | s/./?/ |
| 03:27.24 | Sargun | She went into a depressive state on the last two "real world" experiences she had. |
| 03:27.36 | Sargun | Number 1 resulted in major stomach ulcers |
| 03:27.41 | undertakingyou | bummer |
| 03:28.03 | Sargun | She is also not focused. |
| 03:28.20 | Sargun | and her little brother makes more than her, and she steals his stuff (me) |
| 03:28.41 | undertakingyou | Even with her new job you make more? |
| 03:28.56 | undertakingyou | That would bug I am sure. Particularly the stealing. |
| 03:29.13 | Sargun | Yes. |
| 03:31.27 | Sargun | undertakingyou, Then again I have a lot more work experience. |
| 03:34.29 | undertakingyou | Well, there are some things that pay better than others. |
| 03:34.44 | undertakingyou | There are also places that pay better than others in the same industry. |
| 03:34.49 | Sargun | I dropped, er tested out of high school. |
| 03:35.09 | undertakingyou | clear |
| 03:35.17 | Sargun | She graduated from one of the best educational institutions in America. |
| 03:38.02 | sontek | I'm a firm believer in college is overrated |
| 03:38.16 | sontek | but my kids will be attending or they will die ;) |
| 03:39.09 | goozbach | the way I look at it, I'll have sufficent money saved up to pay for college for my kids |
| 03:39.35 | goozbach | if they go to school, the tuition will be paid for, as well as campus food |
| 03:39.51 | Sargun | Haha |
| 03:40.06 | goozbach | if they want to live off campus, or eat somewhere other than the caffieria, they will get jobs. |
| 03:40.25 | goozbach | but I've got >20 years to wait for that problem |
| 03:40.41 | goozbach | (as of right now anyway) |
| 03:44.15 | undertakingyou | I paid for my college myself for my first degree. And with the second degree I am paying. My wife paid her own way to get her bachelors. |
| 03:44.27 | undertakingyou | I don't have a problem with having my kid work for their own |
| 03:44.44 | undertakingyou | I believe that it causes greater appreciation. |
| 03:45.17 | sontek | I paid for the semesters I attended :P |
| 03:45.28 | undertakingyou | lol, nice sontek |
| 03:46.27 | sontek | But i'm with goozbach, I'm willing to pay for the tuition and campus food |
| 03:46.36 | sontek | but if they want their beer, they are going to have to work for it |
| 03:46.41 | Sargun | Beer money? |
| 03:47.27 | sontek | Gotta work hard if you want to party! |
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| 03:55.14 | Sargun | sontek, Partying is overrated. |
| 03:55.19 | Sargun | People aren't |
| 03:55.45 | Sargun | If beer makes meeting people easier, then why not? |
| 03:56.39 | sontek | Thats why I started drinking, when I was living in LA our CEO always took us out to meet our clients |
| 03:56.44 | sontek | and everyone was drinking but me |
| 03:57.36 | undertakingyou | sontek: just wanted to say that you are right, yafc is a great ftp client |
| 03:59.05 | findlay | hello |
| 03:59.19 | Sargun | ~lart findlay |
| 03:59.19 | ibot | takes out a seltzer bottle and sprays findlay in the face. You know, one of those old-school seltzer bottles clowns have? Yeah those. Anyway, consider yourself spritzed |
| 04:00.01 | findlay | ~trogdor Sargun |
| 04:00.02 | ibot | ACTION burninates Sargun |
| 04:22.53 | levi | watches hi-def lions on KUED. |
| 04:24.12 | levi | "You certainly don't want to be working with an awake lion when you collect sperm from him." |
| 04:24.21 | levi | Words of wisdom. |
| 04:24.27 | RazberrieTart | Oh dear. |
| 04:25.26 | levi | Apparently they 'stimulate' the lion with an electrical shock machine called an 'ejakulator' or something like that. |
| 04:25.35 | Sargun | and now my sister stole about $15 of pizza. |
| 04:25.54 | RazberrieTart | Send her an itemized bill ? |
| 04:26.11 | Sargun | Ugh |
| 04:26.19 | Sargun | This is a miserable weekend |
| 04:26.20 | RazberrieTart | Still, someone has ot get close enough to said lion to implement said shocking. |
| 04:26.21 | Sargun | and week. |
| 04:26.48 | Sargun | Aren't teenagers supposed to enjoy themselves when their parents aren't home? |
| 04:28.17 | Sargun | All I can think of is how my builds are going at work |
| 04:28.24 | Sargun | as my VPN is down |
| 04:46.55 | Sargun | Watermelon and mangoes for dinner |
| 04:47.01 | Sargun | sounds amazing |
| 04:47.16 | levi | RazberrieTart: Well, they shoot them with a tranquilizer first. |
| 04:47.46 | RazberrieTart | lol |
| 04:47.54 | RazberrieTart | Good ? :D |
| 04:48.06 | RazberrieTart | has funny image of the lion waking up .... |
| 04:48.14 | RazberrieTart | "wtf ? what did I do last night ..." |
| 04:48.51 | Sargun | You watch too much TV |
| 04:49.07 | RazberrieTart | Not really ... just a very active imagination. |
| 04:50.08 | Sargun | I'm bored; if someone would like to call me: +1.925.202.9485 |
| 04:50.49 | RazberrieTart | Let me finish my ice cream first and maybe. |
| 04:51.33 | sontek | RazberrieTart: did you put peanut butter in it? |
| 04:51.40 | sontek | RazberrieTart: peanut butter + ice cream > * |
| 04:52.23 | Sargun | What kind of ice cream? |
| 04:52.29 | Sargun | What is she is allergic to peanut butter |
| 04:53.54 | RazberrieTart | hm, no |
| 04:53.57 | RazberrieTart | don't want cold PB |
| 04:54.22 | sontek | RazberrieTart: don't knock it until you try it |
| 04:54.25 | RazberrieTart | fudge marble w/ some red and pink sugar sprinkles |
| 04:55.27 | Sargun | nevermind, I have still about ~15 minutes |
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| 05:11.13 | findlay | Sargun: if somebody called you, what would you talk about? |
| 05:11.22 | Sargun | I have no idea |
| 05:11.32 | findlay | I like fractals |
| 05:11.49 | Sargun | I like cookies |
| 05:12.03 | Sargun | you should make me some: http://www.evilmadscientist.com/article.php/fractalcookies |
| 05:12.34 | findlay | I wants one of these: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P-51_Mustang |
| 05:18.20 | findlay | cadillac of the skies |
| 05:20.28 | RazberrieTart | oh those fractal cookies look awesome. |
| 05:21.17 | findlay | but they can't be truly fractal |
| 05:21.31 | findlay | what happens when you hit the scale of cookie molecules? |
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| 06:26.52 | Sargun | findlay, do you have a facebook? |
| 06:34.16 | findlay | nope |
| 06:35.42 | findlay | I've thought about it, but I'm not sure if it's too cliché, like cell phones |
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| 14:43.14 | elg | -chat then i |
| 14:43.15 | brac | then i can tell that to Asterisk, not knowing the way you'll get like 30% Indian, and at some point in making buy/sell decisions.. but others show up in a default root pw? |
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| 14:49.54 | ^Migs^ | I found out over the weekend that my wife's best friend (and my friend) has some serious medical problems. She's losing her eyesight rapidly and the doctors say she should be in a coma but she's not. Best case scenario, she has MS. Worst case, she has a few weeks to live. |
| 14:49.58 | ^Migs^ | She just started showing the symptoms last week. It's happened so ridiculously fast. |
| 15:04.55 | maquis | ^Migs^: ick |
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| 15:05.00 | maquis | send her our best |
| 15:05.15 | ^Migs^ | thanks |
| 15:05.25 | ^Migs^ | I've felt sick all weekend because of it |
| 15:05.32 | ^Migs^ | her husband is an actual nervous wreck. She has 3 young kids, too. |
| 15:05.58 | maquis | thats horrible |
| 15:07.28 | ^Migs^ | it seems our ward has seen a lot of tragedy recently. Last year our elders quorum president had aggressive brain cancer and passed away within a few months, leaving behind his wife and newborn. They actually induced the baby early so he could spend a couple weeks with her before he died. |
| 15:07.40 | ^Migs^ | and now the 1st counselor's wife has cancer and is undergoing surgery for it |
| 15:08.07 | ^Migs^ | and now my friend Angie :( |
| 15:08.55 | ^Migs^ | it's such a terrible feeling, not being able to really help in any way |
| 15:12.24 | maquis | :( |
| 15:13.22 | ^Migs^ | at the same time, it makes you hug your wife and kids a little closer |
| 15:13.37 | maquis | yeah |
| 15:13.51 | maquis | i had a close friend growing up whose mom died from a brain tumor |
| 15:14.40 | ^Migs^ | that sucks so much |
| 15:14.45 | ^Migs^ | how old was she when her mom died? |
| 15:15.08 | ^Migs^ | you know what's sad, is that if she does pass away, her kids probably won't remember much of her |
| 15:17.19 | maquis | my friend was 12 |
| 15:17.23 | maquis | i think |
| 15:17.33 | maquis | i remember her youngest brother was 6 |
| 15:17.40 | maquis | he's 18 now |
| 15:17.51 | maquis | and she's the same age as me |
| 15:17.54 | maquis | so, yeah.. she was 12 |
| 15:18.09 | maquis | or 11.5 |
| 15:18.20 | maquis | she also had a brother who was 9 |
| 15:18.21 | ^Migs^ | how awful |
| 15:18.28 | maquis | and another brother who was 15, and one who was 19 |
| 15:18.39 | ^Migs^ | whoa |
| 15:18.42 | maquis | the oldest had just barely left on his mission |
| 15:18.46 | maquis | they knew it was coming, though |
| 15:19.09 | maquis | she'd been fighting for a few years |
| 15:19.22 | maquis | i think the youngest was probably the only one who didn't really understand that it was coming |
| 15:20.19 | ^Migs^ | how do you explain something like this to kids? |
| 15:20.27 | ^Migs^ | especially a 6 year old and 3 year old? |
| 15:20.53 | ^Migs^ | her kids are about the same age as our kids |
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| 15:26.14 | Sargun_screen | You don't. you shelter them from it. |
| 15:27.05 | elg | i forgot there's a new edition of the dragon book out |
| 15:29.36 | maquis | Sargun_screen: you can only shelter them so far, though |
| 15:29.48 | maquis | at some point, you have to explain why mommy didn't come home |
| 15:29.55 | Sargun_screen | You can hide them from it, and brainwash them.. |
| 15:29.58 | Sargun_screen | They forget. |
| 15:30.11 | elg | you can just abandon them in a dumpster |
| 15:30.11 | Sargun_screen | Its good in a way that they are young. |
| 15:30.14 | Sargun_screen | They can forget. |
| 15:30.16 | maquis | i have a friend whose husband died in a car wreck while she had a 2-year-old (massive daddy's girl), and was pregnant with a second child |
| 15:30.25 | Sargun_screen | :-( |
| 15:30.30 | maquis | a year later, i could still see the effects on the older child |
| 15:31.08 | ^Migs^ | children don't forget the attachment they once felt that was suddenly removed |
| 15:31.13 | ^Migs^ | it affects them forever |
| 15:31.26 | Sargun_screen | ^Migs^: Less than 18 months |
| 15:31.37 | Sargun_screen | its possible to replace a parent. |
| 15:31.39 | maquis | in some ways, the effects were more pronounced because she didn't have a way to understand why daddy didn't come back |
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| 15:44.52 | elg | Sargun_screen: when your kid is 9 mos we'll have ^Migs^ assasinate you |
| 15:45.01 | encryptz | http://www.offtheledgetees.com/product/Mens-Shirts/Dvorak-up-QWERTY-down/224/ |
| 15:45.06 | brac | [Off The Ledge Tees] |
| 15:45.16 | Sargun | o.O |
| 15:45.23 | Sargun | Yet another reason not to have kids. |
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| 15:51.05 | elg | good, good. let's keep you thinking that way |
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| 15:55.35 | maquis | elg: why you trying to discourage him from kids? |
| 15:55.36 | Sargun | -_- |
| 15:55.43 | elg | natural selection |
| 15:57.07 | Sargun | elg has the right to have his own opinion |
| 15:57.24 | Jayce^ | maquis, bleach in the gene pool |
| 15:57.39 | elg | or maybe it's reverse psychology. only sjansen knows |
| 15:59.49 | unum | http://www.neatorama.com/2008/06/27/top-10-strangest-anti-terrorism-patents/ |
| 16:02.34 | ^Migs^ | this is funny: http://www.holytaco.com/2008/06/27/the-douchiest-phone-message-in-history/ |
| 16:04.59 | levi | maquis: My wife's brother's wife died a few months ago from a brain tumor. |
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| 16:11.10 | Sargun | levi, I'm sorry about that. |
| 16:14.36 | elg | -weather klru |
| 16:14.39 | brac | 4 minutes ago, on Mon Jun 30 16:11:00 UTC 2008, the wind was blowing at a speed of 4.12 meters per second (9.21 miles per hour), with gusts to 8.23 meters per second (18.41 miles per hour), from the East at KLRU. The temperature was 26 degrees Celsius (79 degrees Fahrenheit), and the pressure was 1025 hPa (30.00 inHg). The relative humidity was 47.6%. There were scattered clouds |
| 16:14.40 | brac | at a height of 1341 meters (4400 feet) and scattered clouds at a height of 1981 meters (6500 feet). |
| 16:17.51 | elg | high today is 84°. Veritable cold wave! |
| 16:17.53 | elg | but humid :( |
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| 16:40.27 | sjansen | ~welcome jalbretsen |
| 16:40.28 | ibot | Howdy, jalbretsen! |
| 16:40.34 | sjansen | ~greet jalbretsen |
| 16:40.34 | ibot | ACTION dumps a bucket of cold oatmeal on jalbretsen |
| 16:40.41 | sjansen | ~botsnack |
| 16:40.41 | ibot | :), sjansen |
| 16:40.53 | Sargun | :-(( |
| 16:41.06 | elg | double chin. time for a diet |
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| 16:53.27 | *** topic/#utah by sjansen -> http://plug.org/irc | Channel log @ http://ibot.rikers.org/%23utah/ | UTOSC 2008 Registration now open @ http://2008.utosc.com | Hunt the wumpus. |
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| 16:57.43 | levi | Yow, I apparently completely hosed my Asterisk server. I can ping it, but can't ssh to it anymore. |
| 16:59.42 | nick125 | ouch |
| 17:00.07 | Sargun | Ouch. |
| 17:00.58 | Sargun | I offer my consulting services for a competitive fee. |
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| 17:10.23 | levi | Well, it's not supposed to wedge the server when you dial out from the console. :P |
| 17:11.15 | levi | Oddly enough, I was able to make an inbound call from my cell phone while it was wedged, though my wife couldn't make out what I was saying. |
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| 17:20.43 | jsmith | levi: Ouch... sounds like something is hogging the CPU then |
| 17:22.07 | elg | bends the minds of blog readers everywhere |
| 17:22.29 | levi | jsmith: Yeah, it seems to happen whenever I do an outbound console dial. |
| 17:22.34 | elg | two posts in sequence: danish butter cookies and successful weight loss |
| 17:22.42 | levi | It's probably some bug that's been fixed ages ago. I haven't upgraded in a long time. |
| 17:25.29 | *** topic/#utah by herlo -> http://plug.org/irc | Channel log @ http://ibot.rikers.org/%23utah/ | July 1 is the last day to submit presentations @ 2008.utosc.com | Listen to couchcast today at 12pm MDT - couchcast.org | What's a wumpus? |
| 17:28.42 | jsmith | levi: Yeah... 1.4.21.1 should be coming out today ;-) |
| 17:29.42 | Sargun | 1.4.2.1.4.1 |
| 17:33.48 | Sargun | What the heck is a couch cast? |
| 17:34.42 | elg | ~cast Sargun |
| 17:35.03 | Sargun | what are you? A SMGL dev? |
| 17:35.08 | Sargun | compiles elg |
| 17:35.29 | elg | levi: what do lispers mean by putting stars around stuff? |
| 17:35.40 | elg | i assume there's some conventional meaning to it |
| 17:37.10 | Sargun | rm -rf's elg |
| 17:37.24 | Sargun | cat /dev/urandom > elg |
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| 17:44.42 | fozzmoo | Anyone know how to "pull data out of thin air" with Oracle? |
| 17:44.59 | fozzmoo | You know... like "SELECT * FROM (1,2,3,4,5,6)" |
| 17:48.38 | Sargun | uhm. |
| 17:48.51 | Sargun | DROP TABLE |
| 17:49.26 | fozzmoo | OKay. Let me try that. |
| 17:49.29 | fozzmoo | ;-) |
| 17:49.42 | Sargun | Also, I've heard DROP DATABASE helps |
| 17:49.55 | fungus | fozzmoo: you can use the table name "DUAL" for a dummy table. |
| 17:50.07 | fozzmoo | Yeah. |
| 17:50.11 | fozzmoo | I can get one value, it seems. |
| 17:50.18 | fozzmoo | SELECT 'Foo' FROM dual |
| 17:52.14 | levi | elg: Putting stars around a variable name is a convention for 'special' variables, which are dynamic in scope. |
| 17:52.16 | fungus | select 1, 2, 3 from dual; returns 3 columns just fine |
| 17:52.35 | elg | dynamic in scope? |
| 17:53.26 | levi | Right, as in dynamically-scoped instead of lexically-scoped. So the value is based on the runtime stack rather than the text of the program. |
| 17:53.34 | mrpull | is there anything worse than a support website that tells you to call a number and that number tells you to visit the website? |
| 17:54.06 | Sargun | Ha! |
| 17:54.57 | levi | If you define a special variable at the top level of your program, it's available anywhere else in the program as long as it's still on the stack. You can also shadow them, though, and have the old value resume when the new one is popped off the stack. |
| 17:56.08 | levi | They're often used as configuration variables, where subsystems can change behavior based on how the config variables are set without having to pass around a bunch of config options. |
| 17:57.02 | levi | They're also often used for holding state that will have to be accessed by a bunch of functions when you don't want to pass it around between them. |
| 17:57.23 | levi | (I guess those two examples are varitions on a theme) |
| 18:00.16 | elg | -date |
| 18:00.50 | brac | reminder (12:32:49): couchcast.org |
| 18:01.00 | levi | elg: Anyway, what brought up the question? |
| 18:01.06 | elg | just curious |
| 18:01.15 | elg | and i still don't grok it |
| 18:01.36 | elg | ok, herlo, mind clueing us in on where to click on this couchcast website to listen? |
| 18:03.18 | levi | Okay, I'll attempt another explanation. |
| 18:07.26 | levi | So, with lexical scoping, the bindings of variables are determined statically by the text of the program. With dynamic scope, the bindings are determined at runtime by examining the stack. So, with a dynamic variable, to look up the value, you start at the current stack frame and work up until you find a binding. |
| 18:08.03 | elg | do the stars actually change the scope? |
| 18:08.08 | levi | It turns out that perl local variables give you the same options. The 'my' keyword gives you a lexical variable, and the 'local' keyword gives you a dynamic variable. |
| 18:08.14 | levi | elg: No, it's just a naming convention. |
| 18:08.57 | levi | defvar defines a dynamic variable, and you get a lexical one with let or function parameters. |
| 18:14.35 | levi | Logo and elisp do dynamically scoped variables by default. |
| 18:26.24 | elg | there's a name for a telephony company. piratel |
| 18:27.06 | jsmith | elg: Awesome! If you provide the domain name, I'll try to get^H^H^H plunder some hosting. |
| 18:27.21 | jsmith | let tincan-telecom.com expire |
| 18:28.04 | elg | tooken |
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| 18:53.46 | levi | The PLUG list is oddly silent. |
| 18:53.52 | herlo | elg: it usually just plays |
| 18:54.40 | herlo | elg: sorry I wasn't faster, taking the frontrunner right now |
| 18:54.48 | herlo | XM is providing the internet access |
| 18:54.59 | levi | Cool, internet access on the train. |
| 18:55.03 | herlo | but they block port 22, luckily for me, I have better ways |
| 18:55.07 | herlo | levi: yuppers! |
| 18:55.28 | levi | Maybe when it comes down into Utah Valley, I will be able to make use of it. |
| 18:56.21 | findlay | what? Why would they block port 22? |
| 18:56.23 | levi | Meanwhile, I can take a bus, but I've got to ride my bike to the stop or make a bunch of connections. Riding the bike is great as long as the bike rack isn't already full. |
| 18:56.53 | levi | They probably block everything but a few web browsing ports. |
| 18:59.24 | herlo | findlay: good question |
| 18:59.37 | herlo | ran nmap and it was filtered, I don't filter it |
| 18:59.53 | herlo | so I am going to just right an iptables rule to redirect it |
| 19:00.14 | findlay | yeah, right that rong |
| 19:01.21 | herlo | hehe |
| 19:02.05 | findlay | sorry, you don't have to laugh at my lame jokes |
| 19:02.09 | findlay | :/ |
| 19:03.58 | herlo | I'm not |
| 19:04.08 | findlay | k |
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| 19:09.26 | elg | herlo: hm, ok. so why did we want to listen today? Jayce^ is next week |
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| 19:11.23 | herlo | elg: oh, theres just a little intro at the end, I wanted to hear it |
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| 19:40.18 | levi | This is a fun story: http://gardenbunker.blogspot.com/2008/06/background.html |
| 20:03.25 | maquis | cool story: http://escapingreality.ca/boards/index.php |
| 20:03.30 | maquis | :) |
| 20:03.39 | maquis | if i do say so myself |
| 20:03.42 | maquis | kinda hard to read, though |
| 20:03.47 | maquis | gotta read from the back forward |
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| 20:46.14 | herlo | maquis: !!! |
| 20:47.44 | goozbach | I was on a starwars-themed board like that once |
| 20:47.49 | goozbach | it was a lot of fun |
| 20:47.59 | goozbach | I wish I had that kind of free time again :( |
| 20:48.54 | findlay | I was about 12 years ago. It sounded fun, but I couldn't figure out what I was supposed to do, then the moderator got mad at me :) |
| 20:51.36 | maquis | herlo: hi |
| 20:51.42 | maquis | goozbach: yeah! it's a lot of fun |
| 20:52.12 | maquis | the guys running this one once did one that lasted 8 years. the goal is improving creative-writing skills, and we're having an insanely good time doing it |
| 20:52.16 | maquis | :) |
| 20:52.23 | maquis | about 85% of the group is professional writers |
| 20:52.30 | maquis | and the rest of us are computer geeks |
| 20:53.29 | maquis | my character is actually a kinda fun one to play |
| 20:53.49 | maquis | even though he keeps getting picked on |
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| 21:04.27 | elg | bummer, clojure and dsp aren't well-matched |
| 21:05.57 | elg | between java not having a built-in complex type (which makes complex numbers in java slow to begin with) and the syntactic mess that doing complex numbers in java/clojure therefore requires... just not worth it |
| 21:06.45 | elg | So the hypothetical (exp (- (/ (* j 2 (. Math PI)) N))) becomes: |
| 21:06.45 | elg | (.exp (.divide (.multiply (.multiply (. Complex I) (Complex. 2 0)) (Complex. (. Math PI) 0)) (Complex. N 0))) |
| 21:09.20 | elg | what's maddening is that matlab is the obviously best choice |
| 21:09.42 | elg | matlab has facilities that make vector/matrix/numerical stuff very very nice |
| 21:09.49 | elg | and it completely utterly sucks in every other way |
| 21:10.07 | elg | (not matlab the program, matlab the language, also implemented in octave) |
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| 21:13.01 | elg | awesome. netflix is keeping profiles! |
| 21:13.50 | mrpull | I didn't see how removing the profiles improved the customer experience |
| 21:14.03 | mrpull | what where they smoking removing features and saying it was a good thing? |
| 21:15.43 | findlay | tower.com removed their classical music hierarchy and thought it was a good thing |
| 21:15.53 | findlay | now all they have is this lame search interface |
| 21:17.56 | elg | yeah, it smacked entirely of "let's gouge these freeloaders to sign up for two accounts" |
| 21:20.23 | elg | http://blog.netflix.com/2008/06/profiles-feature-not-going-away.html |
| 21:27.07 | mrpull | I'm hoping that the rumors of brining netflix watch instantly to the xbox 360 are true |
| 21:29.39 | mrpull | which also reminds me... I need to see if qwest can get deliver faster dsl to my home yet |
| 21:32.53 | elg | heh. my local group would rather talk about pet projects we'll never finish than emacs |
| 21:34.29 | elg | http://hansdevice.com/site/index.html |
| 21:34.32 | elg | ~protect sjansen |
| 21:34.33 | ibot | acts as sjansen's bodyguard |
| 21:36.03 | findlay | hah |
| 21:36.26 | goozbach | I want my netflix on demand on my PS3 |
| 22:03.33 | sontek | TimRiker: hey, you wouldn't happen to want to sell your 1973 would ya? =) |
| 22:06.01 | sontek | TimRiker: they are out of stock |
| 22:07.28 | sontek | TimRiker: or do you think its better to wait for the freerunner? |
| 22:12.42 | sontek | ahh according to http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-June/019384.html they'll be available in a couple weeks |
| 22:12.46 | brac | [When it will be possible to buy OpenMoko?] |
| 22:13.50 | findlay | yeah, sontek, get with the times |
| 22:13.50 | findlay | :) |
| 22:14.06 | findlay | I'd buy one if I had enough money |
| 22:15.58 | sontek | I'm sick of my treo |
| 22:16.35 | elg | i bet |
| 22:20.05 | goozbach | I like my treo |
| 22:20.17 | goozbach | but I still want an openmoko or android phone |
| 22:24.34 | sontek | android has a cool interface but its not open source yet and there are no devices coming out soon, so I'm settling for the freerunner |
| 22:24.55 | sontek | I don't know if "settling" is the right term, I'd like to have both to compare |
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| 22:33.31 | TimRiker | sontek: I'd recommend waiting. the new model has wifi, and there are not many 1973's so I expect support (ie new releases) will target the new model first. |
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