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| 02:54.15 | levi | So, the playset defeated me today. |
| 02:54.37 | RazberrieTart | Oh no. |
| 02:54.51 | RazberrieTart | does teh slide go the other way and teh swings disobeying gravity and hovering ? |
| 02:55.57 | findlay | man |
| 02:56.05 | findlay | what is wrong with classes these days? |
| 02:56.24 | findlay | how hard is it to offer abstract courses for theoretical stuff? |
| 02:56.43 | findlay | what if I don't want to learn 'applied' anything? |
| 02:57.09 | findlay | awaits a witty rejoinder from levi |
| 03:10.17 | Heartsbane | unpossible |
| 03:26.14 | levi | RazberrieTart: No, I just realized that I'd put a board on upside-down and I was unable to remove it so I could put it on the right way. |
| 03:26.28 | RazberrieTart | oh no :( |
| 03:26.54 | levi | The difference between the two orientations is which side of the holes is counter-sunk. |
| 03:27.12 | levi | So, I think I'm going to resolve it by doing my own counter-sinking on the side that is now the bottom. |
| 03:27.33 | RazberrieTart | Hopefully that will work, too. Good luck. |
| 03:27.56 | levi | I won't be able to get the nut back on the end that's stuck, but... well, it's pretty darned stuck, so that shouldn't be an issue. |
| 03:28.20 | levi | I hammered on it with a screwdriver and my sledge, and it wouldn't budge. |
| 03:28.28 | RazberrieTart | Whoa. |
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| 03:28.43 | levi | And to think, it just slid in there when I first assembled it... |
| 03:28.44 | findlay | next step: .22 charge |
| 03:29.39 | chadbryant | so I have a question for anyone familiar with solid-state drives |
| 03:30.42 | chadbryant | I have an HP Pavilion box (1Ghz Celeron, 256MB RAM, supports up to 320MB as per documentation) |
| 03:30.53 | chadbryant | I'm throwing a new power supply into it this week |
| 03:31.32 | chadbryant | Assuming I can get into a 2GB or 4GB solid state drive, is that really going to be enough to support a Xubuntu 8.04 install? |
| 03:31.36 | Sargun | United nuclear has such a bad site. |
| 03:31.59 | Sargun | chadbryant, a slim install, why solid state? |
| 03:32.30 | chadbryant | I want a very-quick internet-only box |
| 03:33.00 | chadbryant | the box has a 40GB Maxtor drive in it now, but I'm not sure what the life expectancy is on one of those things now |
| 03:35.47 | Sargun | 1 Ghz isn't very quick. |
| 03:36.50 | chadbryant | well, not for a Windoze box or trying to go graphics/multimedia |
| 03:40.12 | chadbryant | honestly, on top of having an internet-only PC running something open-source, I'm also doing it to keep one less PC from being pitched into a landfill |
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| 03:49.49 | tripzero | what user does apache run under? |
| 03:51.19 | Sargun | depends. |
| 03:51.47 | Sargun | chadbryant, have you looked at the E^3 PC? |
| 03:51.53 | tripzero | in ubuntu |
| 03:52.00 | chadbryant | the Asus portable? |
| 03:52.47 | chadbryant | I've considered getting one...if I ever purchase a new notebook, it'll probably be my first choice |
| 03:53.17 | tripzero | i need to add apache to my user's group so he can access a folder in my user's home |
| 03:53.43 | Sargun | ask nick125 |
| 03:55.09 | tripzero | chadbryant: I want to get one too, but I may wait for the atom based ones |
| 03:55.28 | tripzero | hopefully that one will have wimax and gps and a TS too :p |
| 03:55.46 | tripzero | what's the command in *nix to add a user to a group? |
| 03:56.05 | Sargun | nano -w /etc/group |
| 03:56.56 | chadbryant | I wouldn't mind seeing one with a slightly larger screen |
| 03:56.59 | sontek | tripzero: depending on what version of usermod your distro is shipping, usermod -aG will work also |
| 03:57.03 | sontek | -a for append |
| 03:57.15 | chadbryant | unless I want to pretend I'm on my old MacSE |
| 03:57.17 | sontek | append was a new feature |
| 03:57.18 | tripzero | hi sontek :) |
| 03:57.28 | sontek | hey (: |
| 03:59.06 | tripzero | sontek: I've got a good mono project in mind to start now :). |
| 03:59.42 | tripzero | i'm excited to start it... |
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| 03:59.58 | tripzero | now, if I could only find more time... |
| 04:00.00 | sontek | i'm reviving the banter project right now |
| 04:00.14 | tripzero | ooOOoo, banter? |
| 04:00.32 | sontek | banter is a collaboration tool (audio, video, voice) |
| 04:00.42 | tripzero | nice :) |
| 04:00.53 | sontek | It was a Novell sponsored app that got canned |
| 04:01.03 | sontek | I've got video and audio working again |
| 04:01.14 | sontek | but a lot of the code is gnome specific and I'd like to get it portable |
| 04:01.31 | sontek | and build an abstraction layer so it doesn't *require* telepathy |
| 04:02.01 | tripzero | I'm thinking of writing a lh_helper wrapper gui for creating simultaneous debian based distributions for various archs |
| 04:02.48 | tripzero | sontek: you would be safe if you did it using gtk right? that would keep it (mostly) portable |
| 04:03.42 | tripzero | i need to find a good referece on creating a gui in monodevelops designer for gtk# |
| 04:05.06 | sontek | GTK itself is portable |
| 04:05.21 | sontek | but telepathy isn't because it relies on dbus |
| 04:05.33 | sontek | and Banter itself isn't because it relies on Telepathy, GConf, Dbus, and a few others :P |
| 04:05.39 | sontek | but my plan is to get it there |
| 04:06.19 | tripzero | yeah, dbus isn't portable... |
| 04:06.33 | tripzero | I don't even think it has an equavalent on win32 |
| 04:07.47 | tripzero | sargun: do I need to restart anything to get my new /etc/group working? |
| 04:11.09 | sontek | dbus has been ported to windows via windbus, it just hasn't been put into trunk again |
| 04:11.22 | sontek | and the guys that were doing it aren't very active |
| 04:13.47 | Sargun | tripzero, relogin |
| 04:13.56 | Sargun | sontek, kill them. |
| 04:14.12 | Sargun | Windows doesn't need DBUS |
| 04:14.13 | Sargun | it has COM |
| 04:14.42 | sontek | Sargun: then you haven't coded for com ;) |
| 04:14.50 | Sargun | I have |
| 04:14.53 | Sargun | it was painful. |
| 04:14.55 | Sargun | I think it was COM |
| 04:14.57 | sontek | exactly! |
| 04:22.13 | Sargun | sontek, do you like dark chocolate? |
| 04:23.20 | sontek | I don't like chocolate at all :[ |
| 04:23.23 | sontek | i'm weird |
| 04:23.43 | levi | That's unfortunate. |
| 04:24.40 | Sargun | White Chocolate? |
| 04:25.03 | Sargun | Green, purple, pink? |
| 04:25.44 | Sargun | Actually, I've had pink-coloured (rose) chocolate. |
| 04:25.49 | levi | It's kinda funny... with all the political stuff rolling around in my brain lately, I ran across a progressive/liberal discussion website, and it's full of Kucinich and Nader supporters who sound *just* like Von. :) |
| 04:25.51 | Sargun | Green, purple I haven't |
| 04:26.01 | Sargun | Von? |
| 04:28.07 | levi | He's vontrapp here. Big Ron Paul fan. We were in a lengthy and largely worthless debate on the merits of libertarianism on the PLUG list. |
| 04:28.59 | Sargun | I thought PLUG = Linux, not politics |
| 04:29.24 | Sargun | the last time someone mentioned ron paul on the SVLUG list they were yelled at. |
| 04:30.01 | levi | PLUG has a strong tradition of occasional but lengthy off-topic threads. |
| 04:30.48 | levi | I hope this one is dead now. I must resist further participation in it, anyway. |
| 04:33.54 | levi | It's just that there are several members who are strongly libertarian or objectivist, and I find it difficult to sit by and let those particular philosophies spread unchallenged. |
| 04:33.56 | levi | Anyway. |
| 04:34.06 | levi | My wife makes the most awesome snickerdoodle cookies. |
| 04:34.26 | Sargun | borrows levi's snickerdoodles |
| 04:34.48 | Sargun | Discovery channel is so cool, |
| 04:35.00 | Sargun | Who owns them |
| 04:37.43 | Sargun | Wow, they are self-owned |
| 04:40.51 | levi | You can't *borrow* cookies. |
| 04:41.08 | levi | There's no point in having them unless you eat them, and once you eat them, there's no returning them! |
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| 05:52.36 | findlay | Sargun: haha @ SVLUG |
| 05:53.45 | findlay | speaking of MLs, Jorg started posting on the gentoo-user group |
| 05:53.57 | findlay | some debate about cdrw-tools |
| 05:54.13 | findlay | and licenses and stuff |
| 05:55.23 | Sargun | SVLUG is also quite nutty |
| 05:56.32 | findlay | can't be any crazier than plug |
| 05:58.49 | findlay | I'm willing to assert that PLUG is the most vociferous calamity of what is ostensibly a Linux mailing list |
| 05:59.26 | levi | Sargun: Do they allow Free Software philosophy debates? |
| 05:59.40 | levi | Those go about as well as the political ones on PLUG. :) |
| 05:59.58 | findlay | do they allow debates on tacky houses? |
| 05:59.59 | Sargun | findlay, SVLUG-ML got us kicked out of Google |
| 06:00.13 | findlay | haha |
| 06:01.20 | levi | If you thought developments in Utah were bad, you should see Colorado Springs these days. It was like a sea of massive neighborhoods of homes on tiny lots. |
| 06:02.06 | findlay | well, I'm sure the tiny lot size is not a recent invention |
| 06:02.30 | levi | I didn't think they were particularly bad-looking homes, though. Most neighborhoods had homes with fiberboard siding and actual colors painted on them. |
| 06:02.50 | findlay | well, paint doesn't hold up so well to the elements |
| 06:03.04 | levi | It holds up much better when it's on fiberboard as opposed to wood. |
| 06:03.13 | findlay | hm |
| 06:03.14 | levi | And it lets you change the color of your house. |
| 06:03.30 | levi | I hate vinyl siding. |
| 06:03.31 | findlay | you can always paint your bricks :) |
| 06:03.41 | levi | Ugh, no painting bricks! |
| 06:03.43 | findlay | each one a different color |
| 06:03.48 | findlay | ! |
| 06:04.18 | levi | I'm not a huge fan of stucco, but I prefer it to vinyl siding. |
| 06:04.33 | findlay | how about a base of stucco with rocks interspersed in random clumps throughout |
| 06:04.48 | findlay | I've seen houses like that |
| 06:04.51 | levi | No, not a fan of those. |
| 06:05.05 | levi | That's a little too 'faux' for me. |
| 06:05.30 | findlay | as in a huge wall of plain stucco but with random collections of round rocks glued in |
| 06:05.46 | findlay | ugh |
| 06:06.03 | levi | That's one of the things I like about fiberboard. The siding look is traditional, and it looks just like wood instead of plastic. |
| 06:06.33 | levi | A lot more durable, too. |
| 06:06.33 | findlay | a house exterior should last at least 40 years without maintenance |
| 06:06.34 | Sargun | I prefer condos. |
| 06:06.45 | Sargun | less surface area |
| 06:06.47 | levi | findlay: Um, why do you say that? |
| 06:06.57 | levi | findlay: Laziness? |
| 06:07.04 | findlay | levi: I'm manufacturing opinions on the spot |
| 06:07.21 | levi | Well, it's time for me to manufacture some Zs. G'night. |
| 06:08.03 | findlay | but think about it. Would you enjoy it, or even consider it reasonable if you had to work over your house exterior every 10 years? |
| 06:08.22 | findlay | I don't think 40 years is unreasonable |
| 06:08.43 | Sargun | Depends/ |
| 06:08.46 | findlay | basically what I'm saying is that painted wood is unacceeptable |
| 06:08.52 | Sargun | If it was off the coast of Florida |
| 06:09.00 | Sargun | or in Arizona. |
| 06:09.16 | findlay | Floriday, maybe, but not Arizona |
| 06:09.26 | findlay | Arizona has a pretty stable climate |
| 06:09.33 | Sargun | or in Antarctica. |
| 06:09.42 | findlay | all you need to do is plan for hot: stucco, tile roof |
| 06:10.30 | findlay | Utah gets a lot colder in the winter, but that doesn't make it as bad as all that |
| 06:11.23 | Sargun | just go undergrounds. |
| 06:12.33 | Sargun | Too bad there are international environmental laws protecting Antarctica |
| 06:13.07 | Sargun | otherwise I'd go down and build a house on the Antarctic Earth |
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| 14:12.35 | elg | -chat |
| 14:12.39 | brac | I have one of the funniness? |
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| 14:12.59 | elg | -chat |
| 14:13.01 | brac | and America First Credit Union can't figure out what I need one for the channel lock, it'll try several times a day, topps, that someone else |
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| 16:08.21 | elg | pffffft |
| 16:08.35 | elg | java doesn't have a complex type |
| 16:08.55 | elg | though i don't know why i should be surprised that a language that doesn't even have unsigned numbers doesn't have a complex type |
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| 17:38.12 | findlay | haha |
| 17:39.20 | Sargun | stabs findlay for being happy; Do I have to say it again, no happiness allowed? |
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| 22:26.43 | levi | elg: Not even a class for supporting complex numbers in the standard library? |
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| 23:58.49 | sontek | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KANI2dpXLw&feature=rec-fresh |
| 23:59.50 | nick125 | LOL |