| 00:02.36 | sjansen | RazberrieTart: That's not a good reason. |
| 00:03.19 | sjansen | I'm used to GNOME where an app will use the global setting unless told not to. Much better. |
| 00:03.55 | sjansen | The UI give the impression that Konversation should do the same. Maybe it's just another of the many unimplemented parts of KDE4.0 |
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| 01:44.54 | sargun-palm | nick125, hey |
| 01:44.57 | sargun-palm | yt? |
| 01:45.17 | sargun-palm | anyone there? |
| 01:45.31 | sargun-palm | nick125, if you receive, call me. |
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| 02:41.18 | mrpull-lt | good evening! |
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| 02:52.35 | tensai | elg: what's monophonic? |
| 02:52.48 | elg | one note |
| 02:53.00 | elg | like ibot playing mary had a little lamb |
| 02:53.08 | elg | chopsticks is polyphonic |
| 02:53.20 | tensai | it differs from "single note" in that it moves? |
| 02:53.35 | elg | yeah, single note is just the same note on all the stops |
| 02:53.44 | elg | monophonic is like playing a melody on all the stops |
| 02:53.58 | elg | the difference being playing more than one pipe in each stop |
| 02:54.22 | tensai | I get it |
| 02:57.05 | tensai | elg: what do you mean by "an 8' stop sounds at the same pitch level as a piano"? |
| 02:57.13 | tensai | don't pianos play multiple pitches? |
| 02:57.53 | elg | you get the same notes on a piano as you do with the 8' stop |
| 02:58.01 | elg | with a 4' stop, it's like playing the piano an octave higher |
| 02:59.41 | nick125 | Sargun: hey |
| 02:59.49 | Sargun | what's up? |
| 02:59.54 | nick125 | Sargun: not much, you? |
| 02:59.58 | Sargun | not too much |
| 03:00.00 | Sargun | bored. |
| 03:00.11 | nick125 | Sargun: Work on nails! |
| 03:05.19 | tensai | elg: so an 8' middle C sounds the same as middle C on the piano? and a 4' middle C would be the next C up? |
| 03:05.38 | elg | yup |
| 03:06.11 | tensai | what's this bit about fourth semitones? |
| 03:06.29 | elg | fourth semitones? |
| 03:06.34 | nick125 | Sargun: I got my cell and my desk phone near me if you want to call |
| 03:06.44 | tensai | In discussions with Fons Andriaesen (Aeolus author), I have decided that a |
| 03:06.44 | tensai | few seconds recording of every fourth semitone (C, E , F , and A in each |
| 03:06.44 | tensai | octave) in each rank should provide sufï¬cient characterization to train on. |
| 03:07.02 | elg | oh. a semitone is one half step |
| 03:07.15 | elg | 12 semitones is an octave |
| 03:07.24 | Sargun | Uhm, can't now. |
| 03:07.28 | Sargun | Mnesia is intertesting |
| 03:07.32 | tensai | what's so special about those 4 tones? |
| 03:07.37 | elg | c, c#, d, d#, e, f, f#, g, g#, a, a#, b |
| 03:08.06 | elg | just that they're the ones you get if you start on C and go up 3 semitones |
| 03:08.33 | elg | after A will be another C |
| 03:08.40 | elg | and so we go in circles |
| 03:08.40 | tensai | what I'm asking is why do those notes "provide sufficient characterization to train on"? |
| 03:09.09 | elg | just that the timbre of the pipes doesn't change too much over the range of 3-4 notes |
| 03:09.57 | tensai | so c and c# differ little enough that it's not worth recording every half step? |
| 03:10.00 | elg | so although middle c may be significantly different (though still quite the same) sounding as soprano c, it will be very much less different than the d above middle c |
| 03:10.05 | elg | yup |
| 03:10.24 | elg | and because if I make good recordings for the aeolus author he can make more aeolus stops |
| 03:10.38 | elg | and that's what he requests :) |
| 03:10.46 | tensai | an, so there's an ulterior motive |
| 03:10.50 | tensai | s/an/ah/ |
| 03:10.55 | elg | ya |
| 03:11.16 | elg | he wants 10 seconds of each, I don't know if I can pull that off though. maybe 10 seconds of every C |
| 03:11.20 | tensai | would it be correct to say his work is pretty much the opposite of what you're planning? |
| 03:11.29 | elg | in some respects |
| 03:24.52 | tensai | would it be correct to say that findlay smells of rosemary and wild mushrooms? |
| 03:25.15 | elg | in all respects |
| 03:25.25 | findlay | are you insinuating that I have hermit tendencies? |
| 03:25.59 | tensai | either that or you're a wonderful risotto |
| 03:26.23 | findlay | lex error |
| 03:27.13 | findlay | s/lex/semantic/ |
| 03:27.24 | tensai | if (findlay != hermit) { findlay = risotto(wonderful); } |
| 03:27.24 | findlay | I FAIL |
| 03:28.48 | findlay | tensai: did you read my plug post |
| 03:28.51 | findlay | ? |
| 03:29.01 | tensai | yes |
| 03:29.08 | findlay | hehe |
| 03:29.33 | tensai | it made me smile |
| 03:30.49 | tensai | elg: you want every fourth semitone going the entire length of the keyboard? |
| 03:30.58 | elg | yup |
| 03:30.59 | tensai | instead of a full chromatic scale? |
| 03:31.02 | elg | yeah |
| 03:31.44 | elg | 10 seconds of each C, Eb, F#, A, with at least one 10-second break for each stop (so he can analyze the noise floor) |
| 03:32.20 | tensai | that part I can definitely handle |
| 03:32.42 | tensai | I recorded a vocal performance on sunday and it actually turned out decent |
| 03:34.21 | elg | cool |
| 03:41.23 | tensai | elg: where did that stops.jpg picture come from? what organ? |
| 03:41.30 | elg | flickr |
| 03:41.34 | elg | no clue |
| 03:45.30 | tensai | if pipes in an organ are hidden behind things, how do they still make a decent noise? |
| 03:45.45 | tensai | and will that affect their output, thus making your research harder? |
| 03:46.17 | tensai | i.e. one rank behind object of type A would sound different than a rank behind object of type B |
| 03:57.53 | levi | Wow, lots of organ stuff in scrollback. |
| 03:58.12 | findlay | ~organ levi |
| 03:59.41 | elg | tensai: the case is designed to project the sound out |
| 04:00.29 | elg | and the behind bit, probably yes but not as much as the room reverb would. in my research i'm primarily concerned with what specific organs, so that all comes out in the wash |
| 04:01.10 | levi | Wow, police officer was shot in the head at a traffic stop on main street in Lehi. |
| 04:03.33 | findlay | ouch |
| 04:03.47 | levi | Looks like Chaffetz is winning in the primaries. |
| 04:04.20 | levi | findlay: Well, fortunately he's alive and his condition is improving. The woman who shot him is dead, taken down by the backup officer. |
| 04:05.00 | findlay | that is bad business |
| 04:06.36 | tensai | ~organ $findlay is <action> drops a rank of 32' bombarde pipes on $findlay |
| 04:06.36 | ibot | okay, tensai |
| 04:12.32 | tensai | elg: where is the swell box? is it around the pipes? or the keyboard? |
| 04:12.39 | elg | pipes |
| 04:13.05 | elg | http://www.dobsonorgan.com/html/instruments/op81_kenilworth/swell_back.jpg |
| 04:13.16 | elg | that's a rear view of a swell box in process |
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| 04:30.20 | elg | proof that everyone needs to love the organ: http://www-cs-staff.stanford.edu/~knuth/organ.html |
| 04:30.55 | elg | tensai: that also has an excellent portrayal of a swell box |
| 04:41.21 | findlay | haha |
| 04:41.26 | findlay | good old Don |
| 04:47.54 | bonez44 | one problem with the swell box... far too many organist play that damned pedal...during a song/hymn, as if it were a pedal for a big bass drum...not supposed to be constantly opened, closed....but for more subtle shading of music... |
| 04:49.27 | findlay | bonez44: hahaha, you are so right |
| 04:50.46 | tensai | so the motab organ with 2500 pipes in its swell must have one heck of a big swell box |
| 04:51.09 | Supaplex | it's this big " " (not to scale) |
| 04:51.28 | tensai | Supaplex: hah |
| 04:51.43 | bonez44 | findlay: you've experienced that too? I am thinking as I watch the bellows flapping open and closed, open and closed...Dang.. you'll break your ankle flipping that pedal around so much |
| 04:53.33 | findlay | tensai: they might be in different boxen |
| 04:53.42 | findlay | maybe with the louvers coordinated to the pedals |
| 04:53.59 | findlay | though with an organ you never know that might be configurable too |
| 04:56.29 | findlay | tensai: I was walking down the hallway under the tabernacle one afternoon for rehearsal and a door I've passed before that said "organ tech" was open. There were power tools, toolboxes, workbenches, and related paraphernalia giving it the craftsman shop appeal |
| 04:56.43 | findlay | but nobody was inside |
| 04:56.54 | findlay | I imagine elg would go nuts in a place like that |
| 04:57.06 | Supaplex | http://xkcd.com/111/ |
| 04:57.07 | brac | [xkcd - A webcomic of romance, sarcasm, math, and language - By Randall Munroe] |
| 04:57.12 | bonez44 | yeah, he would... |
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| 05:15.00 | levi | So, does anyone remember the 'Disney Sunday Movie' called Earth*Star Voyager? |
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| 06:28.07 | landet | are there any active linux meetings in salt lake ciyt? |
| 06:34.13 | RazberrieTart | There's the sllug one that's what, once a month ? |
| 06:35.16 | RazberrieTart | landet: http://www.sllug.org/ |
| 06:35.22 | Sargun | tickles RazberrieTart |
| 06:35.29 | Sargun | err |
| 06:35.35 | RazberrieTart | giggles |
| 06:35.36 | Sargun | tickles lakshmi |
| 06:35.40 | Sargun | not you -_- |
| 06:35.45 | nick125 | uh oh |
| 06:35.47 | Sargun | has bad aim. |
| 06:36.09 | nick125 | That's what lakshmi said |
| 06:36.26 | landet | sllug looks morbund |
| 06:36.41 | landet | is there any coffee shop meetup type things? |
| 06:37.40 | Sargun | nick125, shutup. |
| 06:37.51 | lakshmi | nick125 hows your aim? |
| 06:38.08 | nick125 | Hopefully much better. |
| 06:41.14 | Supaplex | -escuse |
| 06:41.17 | Supaplex | -excuse |
| 06:41.18 | brac | Look, buddy: Windows 3.1 IS A General Protection Fault. |
| 06:43.22 | RazberrieTart | landet: I haven't the foggiest, but I suppose if there's enough interest, one could get started. |
| 06:43.36 | RazberrieTart | only found out about this a few months ago and hasn't had a chance to go to one yet. |
| 06:44.11 | landet | Razberrietart are you in slc? |
| 06:44.28 | RazberrieTart | is |
| 06:44.56 | landet | maybe we can start one?? |
| 06:45.53 | RazberrieTart | wel the sllug is the third ? wed of each month from wha I know (I get the emails on the mailing list) so ... there's what, 29 other days open ? :D |
| 06:46.40 | nick125 | 28 in February during leap years |
| 06:46.42 | landet | from the sllug web site it doesn't look - regularly scheduled |
| 06:47.33 | RazberrieTart | It doesn't have the one from last month ... |
| 06:47.57 | RazberrieTart | Depending where/when I'd be open. Summer 'would' work better for now, dunno during school year as there's a mini Tartie. |
| 06:48.47 | landet | how about a first meeting at place this week?? |
| 06:49.58 | landet | lots of places have good internet |
| 06:50.14 | RazberrieTart | has no lappie to take advantage of said internets. |
| 06:50.26 | RazberrieTart | is freaky anomaly |
| 06:51.14 | landet | can you mobile? |
| 06:51.27 | RazberrieTart | has no cellphone, either :D |
| 06:51.32 | landet | mobility |
| 06:51.35 | RazberrieTart | Hm |
| 06:51.37 | nick125 | RazberrieTart: Need to get with the times! |
| 06:51.58 | RazberrieTart | next week might be easier, but that's getting too close to fortuh of July weekend then ... idk how many people have plans for then. |
| 06:52.31 | RazberrieTart | Well, sllug is on third wed, we could do first wed to space it out some ? |
| 06:53.16 | landet | tomorrow is the wed - since most people probably work during the day - how about sometime around 7-8PM at a easy to get to place? |
| 06:53.34 | RazberrieTart | Next wed ? |
| 06:53.50 | landet | tommorrow is a wed |
| 06:53.58 | landet | today sorry |
| 06:54.02 | RazberrieTart | More time to potentially spam the sllug mailing list too :D |
| 06:55.35 | RazberrieTart | Next wed is July 2... a week should give anyone interested in something more casual, like coffee and fun ... time to mark their calenars |
| 06:56.21 | landet | i was hoping for some spirited people (3 or 4 out of 64?) to start something |
| 06:56.40 | RazberrieTart | They're asleep :D |
| 06:58.08 | landet | when they wake and check the channel they can see that there is a spirited meeting of linux programming zealots gonna happen at xxxxPM and they will abandon families to get there |
| 06:58.36 | RazberrieTart | ... you think ? |
| 06:58.56 | landet | i'm confident |
| 06:58.57 | nick125 | It might be easier to target the people who don't have families to tend to. |
| 06:59.39 | landet | some with families might be closet zealots needing to have the zealotry nourished |
| 07:00.01 | landet | if only 2 people show - i'd be happy |
| 07:00.43 | RazberrieTart | hehe |
| 07:00.43 | nick125 | 2 zealots in room....sounds like an argument waiting to happen |
| 07:00.57 | RazberrieTart | I don't know if i want zealots.... |
| 07:01.15 | RazberrieTart | I'd prefer something more casual, coffee, chitchat, general linux stuff. |
| 07:01.16 | nick125 | landet: Make sure you mention emacs vs. vim while you're at it |
| 07:01.34 | RazberrieTart | <~~~ just average happy end user |
| 07:02.21 | landet | i use leafpad - so no vim vs emacs arguments from me |
| 07:03.06 | nick125 | landet: NANO! |
| 07:04.00 | landet | RazberrieTart - that sounds great |
| 07:04.41 | RazberrieTart | the sllug meetings seem to all have some sort of topic or agenda, why not one still a meeting, but more just a meet n greet ? |
| 07:05.38 | landet | yes |
| 07:06.09 | nick125 | RazberrieTart: It'd be interesting to do it more barcamp-style |
| 07:06.35 | RazberrieTart | nick125: ... wait, what kind of style ? |
| 07:07.25 | nick125 | barcamp...basically, it's kind of an ad-hoc meeting where anyone can jump up and present something |
| 07:07.40 | nick125 | In fact, at some barcamps, presenting is required. |
| 07:07.49 | RazberrieTart | Hm |
| 07:07.52 | RazberrieTart | Interesting idea. |
| 07:09.10 | nick125 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barcamp |
| 07:10.04 | nick125 | I went to one once - it was fun, but my presentation sucked. |
| 07:13.27 | RazberrieTart | intersting. |
| 07:19.54 | landet | want to name a place and time and any free people can come and meet and greet |
| 07:20.34 | landet | sorry i don't want to exclude and bsd people - by just talking about linux |
| 07:20.50 | nick125 | So maybe it should be an open-source users meeting rather than linux? |
| 07:20.50 | landet | and -> any |
| 07:21.11 | RazberrieTart | Sure ... |
| 07:21.12 | RazberrieTart | um |
| 07:21.19 | RazberrieTart | doesn't know SLC well, though |
| 07:21.38 | RazberrieTart | Wed July 2 say ... 7 pm ? |
| 07:22.09 | landet | okay but any interest in today? |
| 07:22.24 | RazberrieTart | doesn't think sh can today :( |
| 07:22.27 | RazberrieTart | she ^ |
| 07:26.13 | landet | are you a programmer? |
| 07:26.28 | RazberrieTart | Nope. |
| 07:26.33 | RazberrieTart | is average end user |
| 07:27.12 | landet | do you use ssh or vpn? |
| 07:28.01 | RazberrieTart | Not regularly, since the only other pc on this network is teh GF's and I don't usually need to ssh to her for anything. |
| 07:29.13 | landet | samba or nfs? |
| 07:29.43 | RazberrieTart | just commandline's it. |
| 07:30.20 | RazberrieTart | but 'if' I needed something outside of that .. then nfs |
| 07:32.47 | landet | well we can discuss the userspace 'nfs' vs kernel 'nfs' security issues (just jk) |
| 07:33.07 | RazberrieTart | Um. yes. |
| 07:33.17 | RazberrieTart | would nod and agree :D |
| 07:33.54 | landet | there was a recent nfs security issue - but i'll bet everyone here has upgraded :) |
| 07:35.22 | RazberrieTart | probably did but is starting to get too tired to remember anything |
| 07:35.28 | RazberrieTart | wants tacos. |
| 07:35.39 | RazberrieTart | tacos tacos tacos |
| 07:35.48 | RazberrieTart | </gir> |
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| 07:48.35 | Sargun | What time zone is shang-hai in? |
| 07:50.07 | lakshmi | uhh in china time zone |
| 07:50.11 | lakshmi | ? |
| 07:50.11 | sontek | CST +14 |
| 07:50.15 | sontek | its 15:48 |
| 07:50.29 | sontek | loves GNOME intl clock |
| 07:50.45 | landet | uses google for his timezone needs |
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| 12:23.31 | ^Migs^ | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7472559.stm |
| 12:23.33 | brac | [BBC NEWS | Americas | Dynamic Tower plans unveiled] |
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| 13:10.05 | ^Migs^ | http://www.examiner.com/a-1457593~Kid_golfers__strippers_share_golf_course.html |
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| 13:23.56 | Sargun_screen | Why does ^Migs^ come up with all of the day's shock stories. |
| 13:24.27 | ^Migs^ | I'm as baffled as you are |
| 13:24.38 | ^Migs^ | I mean, I don't go out looking for these. They just come to me. |
| 13:25.14 | Sargun_screen | He can talk? |
| 13:25.26 | Sargun_screen | without spouting out a URL to a news story |
| 13:25.39 | ^Migs^ | not only can I talk, I can ramble aimlessly |
| 13:26.04 | ^Migs^ | yesterday there was a dying bird in my neighbor's yard, right? My cat was pawing at it. |
| 13:26.26 | ^Migs^ | one of the neighbor kids sees the bird and starts FREAKING OUT. Pretty soon there were about 20 kids surrounding the bird, just freaking out, wondering what to do with it. |
| 13:26.51 | ^Migs^ | "Let's let it go!" "Let's put it in a nest!" "Let's move it over here!" "Wear some gloves!!!!!!" |
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| 13:27.23 | ^Migs^ | I don't even know what the heck they ended up doing. Something about moving it over by the train tracks where it could be "safe" |
| 13:27.41 | ^Migs^ | speaking of which, the new FrontRunner is kind of ticking me off. |
| 13:27.59 | ^Migs^ | I live pretty close to railroad tracks and have to cross them every day. It seems I get stuck at the tracks twice as much as I used to now. |
| 13:28.33 | ^Migs^ | I'm probably never going to use the FrontRunner anytime soon. Then the other day there was a big honking train stuck out on 1900 W in Roy. I didn't even know those tracks were still in commission. Just sitting there blocking traffic. |
| 13:28.42 | ^Migs^ | any detour takes you 15 minutes out of the way |
| 13:29.22 | ^Migs^ | really REALLY annoying. I actually ended waiting that train out because it WAS moving at about one-half mile an hour |
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| 13:29.55 | ^Migs^ | why doesn't Utah have subway systems? Are the water levels insufficient for it? |
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| 13:53.25 | Sargun_screen | Haha! The train takes revenge against you. |
| 13:53.38 | Sargun_screen | You gas guzzling car driver. |
| 13:56.21 | Sargun_screen | hops aboard the train and laughs in ^Migs^'s face. |
| 13:58.35 | ^Migs^ | :( |
| 13:59.37 | jsmith | Sargun_screen: Put diablo on your n810 yet? |
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| 14:12.20 | Sargun_screen | Not yet |
| 14:12.29 | Sargun_screen | Has diablo shipped yet? |
| 14:12.42 | Sargun_screen | (stablE) |
| 14:12.50 | Sargun_screen | not the leak |
| 14:14.24 | Sargun_screen | Ah, they released. |
| 14:14.30 | Sargun_screen | I'll flash today @ work |
| 14:14.38 | Sargun_screen | and then learn later on that there was a crtical bug. |
| 14:14.49 | Sargun_screen | which would lead to data corruption everywhere |
| 14:15.29 | Sargun_screen | I can't wait to I get XOHM. |
| 14:15.39 | Sargun_screen | jsmith: Are you a sprint customer? |
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| 14:26.26 | Sargun_screen | bonez44: Good morning, how are you? |
| 14:28.33 | bonez44 | doing alright |
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| 14:37.24 | Sargun_screen | alive. possibly well? |
| 14:40.34 | Sargun_screen | This transaction could write the text "Trying to write ... " a thousand times to the terminal. Mnesia does guarantee, however, that each and every transaction will eventually run. As a result, Mnesia is not only deadlock free, but also livelock free. |
| 14:40.38 | Sargun_screen | haha |
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| 14:57.49 | elg | -chat oh i |
| 14:57.50 | brac | oh i changed that policy |
| 15:10.53 | eggyknap | elg: thx for the link. |
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| 15:22.12 | Jayce^ | lovely: http://www.freedomworks.org/newsroom/press_template.php?press_id=2571 |
| 15:22.30 | Jayce^ | new housing bill added provisions for requiring all electronic payment tools to track *what* was bought |
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| 16:07.02 | ^Migs^ | http://www.alife4sale.com/ |
| 16:07.05 | brac | [Alife4sale.com - Ian Usher is selling his life: car, bike, jetski... as well as his house and everything inside. Buy it and he will walk away with only the clothes on his back] |
| 16:15.34 | maquis | is he selling his bank accounts as well? |
| 16:16.29 | Jayce^ | just the credit lines that paid for everything :) |
| 16:18.02 | elg | what about his friends and family? |
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| 16:24.40 | unum | elg: yes he is selling his friends and job |
| 16:24.51 | unum | I don't think he had much to do with his family |
| 16:26.33 | unum | he's divorced |
| 16:27.10 | Tene | http://www.alife4sale.com/list_Friends.htm |
| 16:27.12 | brac | [Alife4sale.com - Ian Usher is selling his life: car, bike, jetski... as well as his house and everything inside. Buy it and he will walk away with only the clothes on his back] |
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| 17:44.41 | Sargun | jsmith, Just flashed with Diablo. Testing now. |
| 17:47.43 | elg | -chat i was |
| 17:47.44 | brac | i was making statements which I always say "the (tribe name) are known for being sloppy (: |
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| 18:30.03 | levi | -chat elg was |
| 18:30.04 | brac | elg was there doesn't seem like thats normal ;) |
| 18:31.03 | findlay | -chat ;) |
| 18:31.03 | brac | ;) is |
| 18:31.27 | findlay | -chat stops |
| 18:31.27 | brac | stops is |
| 18:31.30 | findlay | -chat |
| 18:31.37 | brac | he's also got UTOPIA plain wrong |
| 18:36.32 | findlay | -chat RazberrieTart did |
| 18:36.32 | brac | RazberrieTart did |
| 18:36.42 | findlay | -chat findlay was |
| 18:36.42 | brac | findlay was joking |
| 18:36.57 | RazberrieTart | Yes. yes i did. |
| 18:37.01 | RazberrieTart | :D |
| 18:43.04 | levi | -chat RazberrieTart was |
| 18:43.04 | brac | RazberrieTart was |
| 18:43.27 | levi | RazberrieTart: Apparently people don't talk about you very much. ;) |
| 18:43.40 | levi | -chat findlay was |
| 18:43.41 | brac | findlay was never signed. No one had any belief that no-one will ever know. |
| 18:43.54 | RazberrieTart | levi: Well that's all right. |
| 18:44.18 | Tene | -chat findlay will |
| 18:44.19 | brac | findlay will be nothing. Only I could find |
| 18:46.20 | findlay | -chat girls |
| 18:46.20 | brac | girls had a chance to practice my guitar. |
| 18:51.32 | dataw0lf | anyone else digging github as much as I am? |
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| 18:56.25 | levi | github seems like a cool idea, but I haven't used it. |
| 18:56.44 | dataw0lf | it's fantastic. |
| 18:57.00 | dataw0lf | been using it for a couple months now, great application. |
| 18:57.14 | levi | What do you do with it? |
| 18:57.51 | RazberrieTart | What ... 'is' it / |
| 18:57.53 | RazberrieTart | ? |
| 18:58.18 | dataw0lf | levi: I use it for some merb applications we write at work (in private repos, obviously), and a couple projects of mine |
| 18:58.54 | dataw0lf | RazberrieTart: basically a socially networked versioning application based around git |
| 18:59.02 | dataw0lf | github.com |
| 18:59.12 | RazberrieTart | Ahhh ... |
| 19:08.00 | elg | seems way cool. pity they only do git though |
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| 19:14.42 | levi | elg: But git is the One True VCS. |
| 19:15.15 | findlay | haha |
| 19:15.41 | levi | It was handed down to us by Saint Linus the Wise. |
| 19:15.56 | findlay | levi: I never thought you'd be that devoted to a piece of software ;) |
| 19:16.17 | levi | Heh, I don't even use git anymore, I'm just joking around. |
| 19:16.21 | findlay | I know |
| 19:21.47 | dataw0lf | I dunno, I kinda like git. |
| 19:22.24 | dataw0lf | I'm not really a Linus fan boy, either. It's just absurdly simple to use, but with fairly powerful features underneath the exterior. |
| 19:22.48 | dataw0lf | github is probably the main attraction, still, though. |
| 19:25.20 | findlay | dataw0lf: blasphemy! Linus is the greatest thing since QBASIC! |
| 19:26.08 | findlay | -chat greatest thing |
| 19:26.09 | brac | greatest thing about it too, so let's stick with 32bit until some other guy who works at AURP and lives happily ever after. |
| 19:28.05 | nick125 | I've been using Git for quite a while without any main issues. There is a bit of a learning curve, but not much different than any other DSCM. |
| 19:33.18 | Tene | My big reason for liking git is that it's simple enough that I actually bother to use it. I haven't run into any trouble that I couldn't figure out pretty quickly. |
| 19:33.19 | findlay | I'm lazy |
| 19:33.29 | findlay | as a consequence I haven't learned any DSCM's |
| 19:33.41 | findlay | I don't even know most of the svn commands :) |
| 19:33.52 | Tene | I'm too lazy to use non-distributed scms. |
| 19:34.03 | ^Migs^ | haha, IM spam: (12:43:29) setauket32@live.com: SUP yo www.TradeDesktop.com find local singles near u, definitely guarenteed to get laid at SOME point, site is free, try it out www.TradeDesktop.com |
| 19:34.07 | ^Migs^ | GUARANTEED TO GET LAID |
| 19:34.10 | ^Migs^ | OR YOUR MONEY BACK! |
| 19:34.20 | RazberrieTart | AT SOME POINT :D |
| 19:34.23 | ^Migs^ | hahaha |
| 19:34.24 | RazberrieTart | rofl |
| 19:34.29 | Tene | IM LAZIER THAN YOU!!! |
| 19:34.32 | RazberrieTart | Best ad ever :D :D |
| 19:34.33 | nick125 | Tene: I think the biggest learning curve is getting used to the workflow of DSCMs. Once you do that, you can use almost any DSCMs..least the basics |
| 19:34.47 | ^Migs^ | man, that cracks me up |
| 19:34.53 | findlay | signs up for Tene 1210, HOWTO GIT |
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| 19:40.14 | elg | i "kinda" like git too. but I really like mercurial |
| 19:41.11 | elg | kinda as in, it's pretty cool and i wouldn't get heartburn for using it |
| 19:41.34 | findlay | but bzr is the anointed DSCM |
| 19:41.47 | elg | bzr is just bizarre |
| 19:42.07 | nick125 | Mercurial is...I really didn't like the random data corruption feature when you used it between two minor versions. |
| 19:42.41 | nick125 | s/minor/macro |
| 19:43.10 | elg | sounds like a bug |
| 19:43.30 | elg | you know, the kind of thing people try not to repeat |
| 19:43.46 | elg | there's a lot about git's past I absolutely despise. but it's gone now. water under the bridge |
| 19:44.09 | elg | likewise mercurial. it didn't hold my interest the first time. then it matured some |
| 19:44.57 | nick125 | I still don't feel safe putting my code into Mercurial though. |
| 19:45.19 | elg | hard to argue with paranoia |
| 19:45.35 | elg | i would never feel safe putting my code in CVS |
| 19:45.43 | elg | yet I did, and so did lots and lots of other people |
| 19:45.46 | elg | and big companies |
| 19:45.52 | elg | somehow the world turned |
| 19:45.58 | nick125 | It's not really paranoia...it's more like "I don't want to lose months of work because the SCM took a dump". |
| 19:45.59 | elg | i do feel safe with mercurial, though you don't |
| 19:46.12 | elg | you remember these things called backups right? |
| 19:46.39 | nick125 | Right. That's what saved me the last time. |
| 19:46.52 | elg | so how will you know when it's safe? |
| 19:47.04 | elg | you were burned once. it will never be safe |
| 19:49.57 | findlay | is in the mood for some Ravel |
| 19:51.01 | levi | methinks nick125 is thinking of a different definition of 'paranoia' than elg is. |
| 19:51.38 | findlay | paranoia is when you read the microscopic blisters in the organic media indefinitely |
| 19:51.59 | findlay | I think I'll submit that to the OED |
| 19:52.05 | elg | no, that's randomly generated text |
| 19:52.08 | elg | -chat read the |
| 19:52.09 | brac | read the recent 3. it was great. she still says "Uh, we still have the most pleasant vacine. |
| 19:52.19 | elg | ~dict vacine |
| 19:52.34 | findlay | ~spell vaccine |
| 19:52.38 | elg | randomly generated misspelled text |
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| 20:01.05 | maquis | pleasant vaccine? |
| 20:04.08 | elg | would you prefer an unpleasant vaccine? |
| 20:04.37 | RazberrieTart | Maybe it's not the vaccine but the experience ? |
| 20:06.09 | ^Migs^ | we're giving some nice swag at our BrainBlast conference. Just saw a combo usb drive/laser pointer/pen. |
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| 20:06.34 | sjansen | http://en.opensuse.org/Opensuse_mailing_list_netiquette |
| 20:06.55 | ^Migs^ | wonder if they'll have extras |
| 20:06.56 | nick125 | ^Migs^: Why does that sound dangerous? |
| 20:07.18 | findlay | the pen is mightier than the laser? |
| 20:07.30 | ^Migs^ | the usb drive could hold government secrets |
| 20:07.50 | findlay | nick125: the laser points a spot on the paper so you know where you're going to write |
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| 20:10.53 | ^Migs^ | this is an awesome site: www.totlol.com YouTube for toddlers |
| 20:11.01 | ^Migs^ | I can't believe I didn't think of it first |
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| 20:14.11 | elg | nice, except you still have to scroll to get more videos |
| 20:14.16 | elg | my son hasn't figured out scrollbars yet |
| 20:14.30 | ^Migs^ | how old is he? |
| 20:14.42 | ^Migs^ | my three year-old has a little bit of a hard time with it |
| 20:14.49 | ^Migs^ | I agree, though. There should be any scrolling |
| 20:14.54 | elg | and too many things to click on that would take you somewhere completely boring and then he'd have to grok back buttons |
| 20:14.55 | ^Migs^ | there should be left and right arrows |
| 20:15.02 | elg | he's 3 |
| 20:15.10 | RazberrieTart | aw cute age |
| 20:15.25 | ^Migs^ | I've seen some ugly 3 year-olds, however |
| 20:15.46 | ^Migs^ | is your son really whiny? My 3 YO is |
| 20:15.59 | ^Migs^ | I'm hoping that's just a 3 year-old thing, though I don't remember my older daughter being like that |
| 20:16.09 | RazberrieTart | Oh God |
| 20:16.15 | RazberrieTart | Mine's nine and still whines sometimes. |
| 20:16.25 | ^Migs^ | it's like she's perpetually coming out of the baby phase, where they have to cry for everything. |
| 20:16.26 | RazberrieTart | Not as bad since three though :D |
| 20:16.30 | ^Migs^ | ugh |
| 20:16.47 | ^Migs^ | my 5 year-old says to her "okay Audrey, now don't be a whiny baby" |
| 20:17.22 | RazberrieTart | ;D Smart girl |
| 20:17.25 | ^Migs^ | as far as I'm concerned, kids shouldn't ever whine. If they do, they lack DISCIPLINE. |
| 20:17.27 | findlay | http://xkcd.com/441/ |
| 20:17.29 | brac | [xkcd - A webcomic of romance, sarcasm, math, and language - By Randall Munroe] |
| 20:19.08 | sjansen | ~language RazberrieTart |
| 20:19.09 | ibot | ACTION grabs RazberrieTart by the ear and washes RazberrieTart's mouth out with soap |
| 20:19.32 | RazberrieTart | blows bubbles |
| 20:19.39 | findlay | -chat bubbles |
| 20:19.40 | brac | bubbles is |
| 20:20.08 | ^Migs^ | -chat migs |
| 20:20.09 | brac | migs had |
| 20:20.12 | ^Migs^ | -chat ^Migs^ |
| 20:20.12 | brac | ^Migs^ is at http://utosc.org/ |
| 20:20.26 | ^Migs^ | brac don't know what he's talking bout |
| 20:20.35 | ^Migs^ | -chat sjansen |
| 20:20.36 | brac | sjansen went missing |
| 20:20.44 | ^Migs^ | don't we wish |
| 20:20.46 | sjansen | ~sjansen |
| 20:20.46 | ibot | sjansen is one hoopy frood who really knows where his towel is |
| 20:20.49 | ^Migs^ | er, i mean, hi sjansen! |
| 20:21.21 | RazberrieTart | One must always know where one's towel is. |
| 20:21.40 | findlay | it is essential to the practice of being an adult |
| 20:21.50 | ^Migs^ | -chat findlay |
| 20:21.50 | brac | findlay had a lot of light in the water. |
| 20:21.53 | ^Migs^ | - chat elg |
| 20:21.54 | brac | elg went flying around in a warzone. |
| 20:21.57 | ^Migs^ | -chat RazberrieTart |
| 20:21.57 | brac | RazberrieTart did |
| 20:22.01 | ^Migs^ | -chat brac |
| 20:22.01 | brac | brac went |
| 20:22.09 | ^Migs^ | -chat noob |
| 20:22.09 | findlay | -excuse |
| 20:22.09 | brac | noob is |
| 20:22.09 | brac | Traffic jam on the Information Superhighway. |
| 20:22.12 | elg | -chat went to |
| 20:22.13 | brac | went to bed |
| 20:22.25 | ^Migs^ | -chat doesn't give a |
| 20:22.26 | brac | incorrect usage, ask for help using 'brac: help chat' |
| 20:22.34 | elg | -chat give a |
| 20:22.35 | brac | give a talk at length about the languages, if you don't use it or not it'll get a used laptop dealer I'd feel weird without large buildings around me. |
| 20:22.55 | ^Migs^ | it's like I'm talking to a real person |
| 20:23.06 | elg | brac: newsflash. those aren't buildings, they're transistors |
| 20:23.29 | fozzmoo | http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/The-Stalled-Server-Room.aspx |
| 20:24.02 | findlay | ^Migs^: I *am* a real person |
| 20:25.52 | nick125 | http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Lyle-Can-Do-Anything-Better-Than-You.aspx |
| 20:26.13 | ^Migs^ | hahahahaha |
| 20:26.21 | ^Migs^ | @ stalled server room |
| 20:26.24 | elg | so there's only one bathroom, on the second floor, not inside the 2nd floor tenants' office? |
| 20:28.12 | fozzmoo | It sounds like the alternative to being able to get to the server room only through the second floor tenant's office was to move the door to the wall adjacent to the womens room. |
| 20:28.40 | findlay | why couldn't they have had a fire ladder from the 1st floor? That would have been more exciting |
| 20:28.44 | fozzmoo | I don't know why they didn't put a trapdoor in the floor and go up from their space... yeah. |
| 20:29.27 | findlay | "excuse me, I've got to go into the server room." <hits large red button> |
| 20:29.37 | elg | fozzmoo: yeah, but last i checked all the walls on a 2nd floor room are on the 2nd floor |
| 20:29.57 | elg | and that email talks about *the* women's bathroom |
| 20:30.09 | elg | and the server room tenants are on the first floor now |
| 20:30.26 | fozzmoo | It's presumably the womens room on the 2nd floor. |
| 20:30.41 | nick125 | http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/It-Gets-Worse-Each-Year.aspx |
| 20:30.45 | elg | which presumably serves the second floor tenants |
| 20:31.07 | elg | so instead of walking through the 2nd floor tenants' office, they lock the 2nd floor tenants out of the ladie's rest room |
| 20:32.35 | fozzmoo | elg: You're thinking a lot about the logistics of this story. |
| 20:32.44 | fozzmoo | That's probably why you're a PhD candidate. |
| 20:33.13 | elg | or it could be that I have a lot of experience in bathroom mutexes |
| 20:33.33 | findlay | haha |
| 20:37.18 | levi | But only a CS PhD candidate would even talk about 'bathroom mutexes'. :) |
| 20:39.16 | findlay | man, I am being dominated by CSS |
| 20:40.12 | levi | Are you enjoying it? |
| 20:40.25 | findlay | no |
| 20:41.32 | levi | Well, some people seem to be into that kind of thing. |
| 20:42.48 | findlay | dominated as in, me vs CSS, and CSS is invoking all kinds of mysterious rules to cause me to lose |
| 20:44.53 | levi | Is it CSS that's causing you to lose, or poor/incompatible implementations of CSS? |
| 20:46.50 | elg | or maybe color blindness |
| 20:49.04 | findlay | CSS is a Mystery |
| 20:49.18 | levi | What are you trying to do with it? |
| 20:49.56 | findlay | just put in a line between two floating lists |
| 20:50.06 | findlay | hm, actually, I may have figured this out |
| 21:02.48 | bonez45 | I have several .eps files.. with layers and all that stuff.. that I want to be able to open.. using gimp or otherwise.. can gimp work with .eps files , with the source contents? |
| 21:03.28 | ^Migs^ | CSS is fine. It's the browsers that suck at implementing it. |
| 21:03.35 | ^Migs^ | namely the three IEs, IE6, IE7, and IE8 |
| 21:03.48 | ^Migs^ | ISO should just standardize Firefox |
| 21:04.18 | findlay | I've heard IE8 is going to be more standards compliant |
| 21:04.38 | findlay | firefox is so huge and complicated it might as well be a standard already |
| 21:04.43 | ^Migs^ | yeah, AFTER we've gotten used to IE6 and IE7's broken standards |
| 21:09.24 | ^Migs^ | okay, I want one of these: http://h30440.www3.hp.com/campaigns/touchsmart/IQ500_NA/Model.html |
| 21:09.31 | brac | [HP TouchSmart IQ500 Series PC] |
| 21:11.50 | nick125 | HP *shutter* |
| 21:12.11 | fozzmoo | shutter? |
| 21:12.12 | ^Migs^ | OMGHPHATER |
| 21:12.49 | ^Migs^ | have one or two bad experiences with a company, and suddenly you're an anti-evangelist for ALL their products |
| 21:12.51 | findlay | shudder speed 1000 ms |
| 21:13.20 | ^Migs^ | Shutter the movie |
| 21:13.42 | ^Migs^ | -chat shutter |
| 21:13.43 | brac | shutter went |
| 21:13.48 | ^Migs^ | -chat shudder |
| 21:13.48 | brac | shudder is |
| 21:13.49 | nick125 | ^Migs^: It's enough to set anyone off of their products. |
| 21:13.56 | ^Migs^ | not me |
| 21:14.14 | ^Migs^ | I forgive and forget |
| 21:14.16 | findlay | their calculators are decent |
| 21:14.20 | findlay | printers too |
| 21:15.12 | nick125 | ^Migs^: I don't forgive and forget having two laptops that have been horrible, dealing with their horrible tech support, and dealing with trying to get parts for a year-old laptop. |
| 21:22.57 | elg | -chat my udder |
| 21:22.59 | brac | my udder |
| 21:23.07 | elg | my udder is dirty |
| 21:23.12 | elg | -chat my udder |
| 21:23.13 | brac | my udder is dirty |
| 21:23.30 | elg | the cheese is old and moldy |
| 21:23.33 | elg | -chat the cheese |
| 21:23.34 | brac | the cheese to a couple of people who build 90% of the wasatch Front from the offices of Gov. J. Huntsman noting a town 70 miles away, that's 10 feet high |
| 21:23.48 | goozbach | -chat my cheeze |
| 21:23.49 | brac | my cheeze |
| 21:23.53 | goozbach | -chat my cheese |
| 21:23.54 | brac | my cheese and sour cream to use it? |
| 21:24.05 | goozbach | i could never spell taht word |
| 21:24.15 | goozbach | or THAT word either |
| 21:24.35 | findlay | -chat goozbach ate |
| 21:24.36 | brac | goozbach ate |
| 21:33.20 | bonez45 | so , no suggestions on working with .eps files, using FOSS tools? |
| 21:35.03 | bonez45 | I have several....hundreds.. and I need to be able to edit them.. I'd like to avoid having to get cs3, the big suite with all the .adobe tools.. that's what my wife wants to do..but I am sure I can find an FOSS solution.. with y'all's help |
| 21:35.27 | RazberrieTart | 70 other poeple here |
| 21:35.30 | RazberrieTart | 'someone' is bound to know. |
| 21:35.35 | RazberrieTart | But it's not me. |
| 21:37.54 | findlay | RazberrieTart: what do you know? |
| 21:38.27 | unum | I know I know my mom |
| 21:38.30 | RazberrieTart | findlay: I know the important stuff. |
| 21:38.39 | RazberrieTart | 1) Don't forget your towel. |
| 21:39.30 | findlay | then what? |
| 21:40.12 | unum | don't panic |
| 21:40.20 | unum | I think that's everything you need to know |
| 21:40.43 | bonez45 | skkkkk tggggggg.. is this thing on? hello ? |
| 21:40.53 | sjansen | Well, that an a babble fish. |
| 21:44.18 | bonez45 | hmmm I'd swear I was logged in to #utah. but guess not.. |
| 21:44.20 | *** part/#utah bonez45 (n=scott@mail.FYRENICE.COM) |
| 21:45.04 | findlay | I wonder where he logged into? |
| 21:45.24 | RazberrieTart | o.O |
| 21:45.30 | elg | eps editing is masochism |
| 21:45.44 | findlay | now the truth comes out |
| 21:46.15 | elg | so is web development |
| 21:46.29 | findlay | haha |
| 21:47.01 | sjansen | wonders if it's time to tell bonez to start paying for support instead of running straight to #utah |
| 21:47.22 | elg | that's what I do (run to #utah) |
| 21:47.29 | findlay | me too |
| 21:47.38 | findlay | sometimes I even hit #utah before google |
| 21:47.43 | ^Migs^ | wishes some people would run to #arizona instead |
| 21:47.47 | sjansen | Yeah, after spending a little time with google. And answering other people's questions. |
| 21:47.52 | elg | but the difference is I'm trying to do geeky things. he's trying to do doctor things |
| 21:48.07 | elg | no, I come here first. if nobody knows, then I go to google and bore everyone with the details when/if I figure it out |
| 21:48.22 | ^Migs^ | this IS a good place for answers, I have to admit |
| 21:48.29 | sjansen | *shrug* I guess I was wrong. I assumed everyone was just ignoring him same as me. |
| 21:48.31 | elg | i think that's the problem with plug these days. nobody has any questions they can't answer on google or #utah |
| 21:48.32 | findlay | ~answer |
| 21:48.33 | ibot | 42 |
| 21:48.51 | ^Migs^ | I figure I can either ask my Linux-knowledgeable coworker, or a bunch of Linux gurus at once. Which makes more sense? |
| 21:48.58 | findlay | sjansen: sometimes questions don't have easy answers |
| 21:49.20 | elg | i overgeneralize of course. sometimes I do go to google first |
| 21:49.29 | sjansen | Are you all really so lazy you don't bother hitting google first? |
| 21:49.31 | elg | especially on weekends when you lot are insensitively doing other htings |
| 21:49.42 | elg | it depends on the question |
| 21:49.43 | ^Migs^ | it's not lazy when you go to the most reliable source first. |
| 21:49.48 | findlay | like, graphical [e]ps/pdf editing. You pretty much have to use adobe |
| 21:50.08 | ^Migs^ | what? We have to waste hours googling for answers when we can just ask a simple question in here and get a straight answer? |
| 21:50.16 | ^Migs^ | it's EFFICIENCY |
| 21:50.32 | elg | if i can type a coherent question and you can type a coherent answer and you're likely to do so very rapidly, why should I go to google? but if i can google it and/or get the answer faster by reading a web page I go to google |
| 21:50.48 | ^Migs^ | I'm with elg on this |
| 21:50.59 | elg | example: if I were doing a little one-off python and I wanted to know how to search a string, I'd probably ask here |
| 21:51.10 | ^Migs^ | this "google first" mentality completely misses the advantage of social networking |
| 21:51.11 | elg | someone could type string.find("foo") faster than I could find relevant google hits |
| 21:51.23 | elg | and they wouldn't even have had to think |
| 21:52.14 | elg | and software recommendation is an excellent thing to ask friends instead of google, since you trust your friends' judgement |
| 21:52.25 | elg | but i doubt any of us have done what bonez is trying to do |
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| 21:52.38 | elg | hence none of us have used eps editing software |
| 21:52.41 | elg | hence the silence |
| 21:53.29 | elg | and i don't learn anything when you google an answer for yourself |
| 21:53.37 | elg | but when someone asks a question here and gets an answer, I do |
| 21:53.47 | elg | which brings us back to the deplorable state of plug yet again |
| 21:54.05 | findlay | the off-topic mailing list :) |
| 21:54.26 | elg | provo linux users grabbag |
| 21:56.05 | elg | what's the july meeting? |
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| 21:59.16 | ^Migs^ | some sort of meeting, most likely in July |
| 21:59.49 | elg | ~hug matlab |
| 21:59.50 | ibot | ACTION gets a running start and tackle-hugs matlab |
| 21:59.59 | elg | s/matlab/octave/ |
| 22:00.13 | sjansen | I'm sure rsimpkins knows. Perhaps if you snuck up and dumped a bucket of oatmeal on him he'd wake up and tell you. |
| 22:00.19 | Supaplex | -excuse |
| 22:00.19 | brac | transient bus protocol violation |
| 22:00.23 | elg | ~feed rsimpkins |
| 22:00.24 | ibot | ACTION offers rsimpkins some horseraddish |
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| 22:04.27 | levi | I don't think the state of the PLUG list is particularly deplorable. I mean, all the technical questions that came up got quick replies, it's just that there was a lot of easily-ignorable side conversation going on. |
| 22:05.23 | unum | I agree |
| 22:07.40 | levi | Now, the quality of that side-conversation is maybe tending towards deplorability, but I guess that may have something to do with my own views on the matters discussed. |
| 22:09.21 | elg | it's not that i particularly mind the off-topic, that's always been there and part of the character |
| 22:09.39 | elg | and it's not the ability of the list to address questions, which it continues to do excellently |
| 22:09.47 | elg | it's just that nobody asks any interesting questions anymore |
| 22:10.15 | levi | What sort of questions would you consider interesting? |
| 22:10.19 | elg | even a bunch of boring newbie questions would count as interesting, though not interesting to me personally |
| 22:11.02 | elg | the asker would be served, others would learn too, random tangents about unix history would ensue, someone would make fun of java, and business would continue as usual |
| 22:11.31 | elg | i seem to remember plug used to work that way. but my memory may be skewed |
| 22:11.39 | levi | Yeah, there haven't been any good language rants lately. |
| 22:11.46 | levi | I'd much prefer a language rant to a political rant. |
| 22:12.12 | elg | well, it's like a box of matches and a tank of gasoline right now. all you need to do is compare java software engineering to mcmansion building |
| 22:12.27 | levi | Hey, that's a good idea... ;) |
| 22:12.33 | elg | and people living in their cars are perl hackers |
| 22:13.02 | sjansen | PHP fakers |
| 22:13.03 | elg | if you do, don't forget to change the subject |
| 22:13.05 | levi | I don't really need any more of my time sucked away by pointless email arguments right now, though. |
| 22:13.41 | sjansen | Back in my day, the local Linux user groups were _alive_. |
| 22:13.49 | sjansen | Well, actually, several of them were near death... |
| 22:14.01 | sjansen | But when you asked a question they came _alive_. |
| 22:14.02 | elg | that's what made them alive ;) |
| 22:14.28 | sjansen | Well, except when the answer was "Linux doesn't support that yet".... |
| 22:14.51 | levi | sjansen: BYU UUG was pretty nearly dead while I was president. :) |
| 22:15.14 | sjansen | levi tried to kill the UUG. |
| 22:15.36 | sjansen | I remember. He was jealous of Ammon's mad Mac skills. |
| 22:15.37 | elg | i was glad i didn't show up to that meeting |
| 22:16.05 | levi | Well, I didn't consciously try, but at least I had the good sense to flunk out of the presidency before I could succeed. ;) |
| 22:16.15 | sjansen | elg: Just think how close you came to being president. |
| 22:16.21 | levi | Of course, I don't think Ammon did any better. At least I bought pizza for everyone. |
| 22:16.23 | elg | still gives me nightmares |
| 22:16.32 | elg | i remember the pizza. yum |
| 22:16.37 | sjansen | If I'd stepped back a bit faster, it coulda been the Fugal dynasty instead of the McNabb dynasty. |
| 22:17.05 | elg | we prefer to rule over the prizes |
| 22:17.15 | maquis | lol |
| 22:17.17 | sjansen | crafty |
| 22:24.13 | maquis | sad... |
| 22:24.27 | maquis | there's a big pile of empty pizza boxes in the kitchen |
| 22:24.30 | maquis | too late |
| 22:31.43 | levi | Bummer. |
| 22:34.25 | levi | Man, if I had a bunch of cash, I'd buy this: http://www.ksl.com/index.php?sid=&nid=443&tab=list/view&ad=549069 |
| 22:34.33 | brac | [ksl.com - KSL Car Classifieds] |
| 22:35.15 | levi | I saw one of those just cruising around my neighborhood with the windshield flipped up. So cool. :) |
| 22:45.01 | elg | you could put your miata inside |
| 22:45.28 | levi | It's not quite that big. :) |
| 22:45.54 | levi | I already have a VW eurovan, but it hasn't got the charm of the classic VW busses, plus I'm fighting a losing battle with body rust. |
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