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| 00:32.28 | sontek | peno: http://www.structed.com/sis/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/beer.jpg |
| 00:38.49 | elg | w00t |
| 00:38.51 | elg | -metar klru |
| 00:38.52 | brac | KLRU 230030Z AUTO 24011G15KT 10SM SCT110 34/09 A3011 RMK AO2 |
| 00:39.35 | elg | hmm, it's more like overcast now, strom's moved in |
| 00:39.36 | elg | and thunder |
| 01:00.57 | goozbach | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/06/19/funny-pictures-this-one-is-for-getting-turned-into-a-squirrel/ more squirrel army stuff |
| 01:38.09 | peno | sontek: nice |
| 01:56.40 | goozbach | anybody around with their ears on? |
| 01:57.16 | eggyknap | I left mine in my other pants. |
| 01:57.48 | goozbach | I'm just looking for a reliable, affordable place which does secondary dns |
| 01:59.58 | sontek | I use godaddy, never once had a problem |
| 02:00.34 | sontek | but you could just get a vps on linode or something and run dns from there |
| 02:00.39 | eggyknap | has no suggestions for such things |
| 02:05.32 | tensai | goozbach: I use zoneedit.com for my dns. it's my primary, but they'll do secondary dns for you. they offer 5 zones for free (or did when I signed up anyway) |
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| 03:21.46 | tristanbob | does rebooting clear the dns cache on windows? |
| 03:23.02 | goozbach | tristanbob: try ipconfig \clear |
| 03:23.06 | goozbach | or something like that |
| 03:23.21 | goozbach | the ipconfig command can flush it without rebooting. |
| 03:23.22 | tristanbob | goozbach, I know that - just wondering a simply explanation to our users |
| 03:23.30 | goozbach | ahh |
| 03:23.36 | goozbach | rebooting should do the job then. |
| 03:23.38 | tristanbob | so reboot does clear it? |
| 03:23.46 | goozbach | should |
| 03:23.51 | goozbach | it's memory only IIRC |
| 03:23.59 | tristanbob | It looks like windows 2000 and XP have a positive cache of 24 hours |
| 03:24.06 | goozbach | maybe not then? |
| 03:24.13 | goozbach | you could try it |
| 03:24.15 | goozbach | :) |
| 03:24.25 | tristanbob | I'll have to kick my wife off of windows box |
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| 04:52.35 | RazberrieTart | ohnoes. |
| 04:52.36 | RazberrieTart | ;) |
| 04:52.56 | craigevil | behold the power of Google , hey RazberrieTart :) |
| 04:54.03 | RazberrieTart | Or the power of /who and listing wha channels I am in, craigevil |
| 04:54.43 | craigevil | nope used google to search for slc lug :) /whois wouldnt have shown freenode |
| 04:55.51 | RazberrieTart | Heh :D |
| 04:56.19 | RazberrieTart | this one is the LUG base, #utos is for the linuxfest bits. |
| 05:42.12 | levi | is home from vacation now. |
| 05:42.26 | levi | 10.5 hour drive with the family was kind of rough. |
| 05:45.40 | RazberrieTart | ack |
| 05:50.20 | levi | Yeah. |
| 05:50.54 | levi | And, yow, I'm glad I wasn't here to participate any more in the train wrecks of the political and real estate threads on PLUG. |
| 06:12.30 | findlay | haha |
| 06:13.02 | findlay | ~welcome craigevil |
| 06:13.03 | ibot | craigevil, Sup yo? |
| 06:36.09 | findlay | ~literal cmd: welcome (.*?) |
| 06:36.10 | ibot | "cmd: welcome (.*?)" is "($1): <reply> (Howdy, $1! | Good to see you, $1! | $1, Sup yo? | Welcome to the party, $1! | [all in unison] Hi, $1! | Hey, $1! Glad you could join us.)" |
| 06:51.27 | Sargun | hola |
| 06:51.36 | Sargun | ~tickle findlay |
| 06:51.37 | ibot | ACTION jumps on findlay, yelling "TICKLE FIGHT!!!!" |
| 06:51.46 | nick125 | hey Sargun |
| 06:51.51 | Sargun | hey nick125 |
| 06:51.52 | Sargun | what's up |
| 06:52.04 | nick125 | Sargun: not much, you? |
| 06:53.03 | findlay | ~perl Sargun |
| 06:53.03 | ibot | ACTION forces ^Migs^ to use perl |
| 06:53.36 | findlay | sudo halt |
| 06:54.16 | Sargun | listening to This Ameircan Life. |
| 06:54.22 | Sargun | Even This American |
| 06:55.09 | nick125 | is refreshing his git skills |
| 06:57.22 | nick125 | Sargun: We should write something together...we can use mercurial! |
| 06:57.29 | Sargun | uhm |
| 06:57.34 | Sargun | Oh...God. |
| 06:57.49 | nick125 | What? You don't *love* the featureset of hg? |
| 06:58.14 | nick125 | I love the random file corruption feature. It adds some excitement and surprise to development! |
| 06:58.24 | Sargun | Oh, you mean the random corruption and deletion |
| 06:58.35 | nick125 | Sargun: That's the one! |
| 06:58.39 | Sargun | yeah! |
| 06:58.41 | Sargun | I love that |
| 06:59.21 | Supaplex | o.O |
| 06:59.54 | nick125 | Sargun: We should write a web framework |
| 07:00.14 | nick125 | Like web.py, without the suck. |
| 07:00.38 | nick125 | It'd have glue for SQLObject and Jinja without forcing you to use those. |
| 07:03.47 | sontek | points at pylons |
| 07:03.53 | sontek | next! |
| 07:04.01 | nick125 | sontek: without making me want to go insane |
| 07:04.05 | Sargun | uhm. |
| 07:04.10 | Sargun | SQLOBject is dead. |
| 07:04.16 | nick125 | Sargun: Okay then, Elixir. |
| 07:04.17 | Sargun | we should write a web framework ontop of Yaws |
| 07:04.27 | Sargun | Yaws/Erlang/Mnesia |
| 07:04.29 | sontek | Dell's site sucks |
| 07:04.35 | Sargun | and then do python ontop of that |
| 07:04.37 | sontek | I need a new keyboard for my laptop |
| 07:06.38 | nick125 | Sargun: I mean, think about it: all of the web frameworks in Python are...ugh |
| 07:07.00 | sontek | They are all open source and accepting patches though |
| 07:07.22 | Sargun | sontek, then call support? |
| 07:07.40 | nick125 | sontek: You can't patch an incompatable design |
| 07:08.34 | nick125 | I really like web.py's design: you import web and you write a web app how you want, not how the framework designer wants you to. |
| 07:09.43 | nick125 | You don't get a huge directory structure with 30 files inside of 15 directories, half of which you don't know what does (nor does anyone else). |
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| 07:11.21 | sontek | haha, I like pylons, but yeah its not as simple as web.py |
| 07:11.46 | nick125 | I still can't figure out how to get an ORM working on Pylons. Hah. |
| 07:16.11 | nick125 | I really dislike working with SQLAlchemy, though |
| 07:16.37 | nick125 | I don't know if it's because I'm not used it or what. |
| 07:17.24 | sontek | SQLAlchemy is the best ORM you'll ever find! |
| 07:17.42 | sontek | but you should be able to drop in any you want |
| 07:17.50 | sontek | sa is just a great default |
| 07:18.19 | nick125 | What's the point of defining a table *then* having to define a separate object? It seems like a lot more work for little benefit. |
| 07:21.27 | nick125 | I remember someone giving the argument "Well, by doing it by hand, you know what everything is..you know what your table names are, etc", which I don't agree with. Yeah, knowing that stuff could be useful in the rare event, but does it justify doing 2-4x more work? No. |
| 07:21.38 | sontek | its for loose coupling |
| 07:21.54 | sontek | you can pass that object around and modify it without requiring a dependency on sa |
| 07:22.29 | nick125 | Hmm. |
| 07:23.42 | nick125 | So you're saying that the objects should/are generic..but why? In a real world sense, why would you want to use an object without the DB? |
| 07:25.36 | sontek | It allows a few different things, if you want to re-design your db from scratch, all your code is reliant only on the business object, not the database itself |
| 07:26.03 | sontek | the other thing is you could drop out sa and put in a new orm and all you'd have to do is map your business objects to the new orm's objects |
| 07:26.09 | sontek | without having to rewrite *all* of your code |
| 07:26.53 | sontek | We've benefitted from this at work, where the original developers were straight out of the university and weren't very bright in the ways of design, so we are stuck with a horrid database |
| 07:27.27 | sontek | so we fixed up all the code that interacts with the database to use our business objects, so we don't even see the database anymore |
| 07:27.45 | sontek | and we are now rebuilding a lot of the app and moving it to a new db design |
| 07:27.53 | sontek | we are only touching the dataccess layer and the rest still works |
| 07:28.42 | Sargun | hehe @ latest XKCD |
| 07:28.49 | Sargun | dude, SQL sucks |
| 07:28.56 | Sargun | nick125, did you look at mnesia |
| 07:30.21 | nick125 | Sargun: sounds like an object database |
| 07:31.19 | nick125 | sontek: So you're saying that it would be useful in working around the effects of bad design decisions. |
| 07:32.26 | Sargun | sort of is. |
| 07:33.03 | sontek | nick125: yes, and no. Its great design all around, but its also helpful when you run into bad design |
| 07:33.42 | sontek | nick125: Having your logic code/controllers/whatever not dependent on your data layer is the way things are supposed to be developed |
| 07:34.53 | nick125 | Sargun: http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/aix/library/au-zodb/ |
| 07:34.54 | brac | [Example-driven ZODB] |
| 07:34.57 | sontek | haha, the funniest user friendly in a long time: http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20080623 |
| 07:35.02 | brac | [UserFriendly Strip Comments] |
| 07:39.53 | nick125 | sontek: I've also noticed that in Pylons, somethings are really well integrated while others are merely "patched" together (ala authkit). Speaking of authkit, do you know of another authentication/authorization library for Pylons? |
| 07:41.14 | sontek | I'm not sure of another/better one |
| 07:44.00 | nick125 | mmm...authkit.users.sqlalchemy_driver:UsersFromDatabase makes it look a tad bit more "palletable" |
| 07:47.36 | nick125 | I guess I'll play with it some more tomorrow while waiting for my lens to arrive |
| 08:11.54 | Sargun | uhm |
| 08:11.54 | Sargun | cool |
| 08:11.57 | Sargun | I still think |
| 08:12.05 | Sargun | that Mnesia + python would be cool |
| 08:14.35 | nick125 | lol |
| 08:21.14 | Sargun | uhm |
| 08:29.49 | lakshmi | who here would buy an island?! |
| 08:33.46 | sontek | I'd buy it and every house built would get a fibre drop |
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| 09:18.02 | Titan21 | Hello... |
| 09:18.10 | Titan21 | hello, just got a little question... everyone in my channel is always leaving with a message... how do you write these quitmessages? |
| 09:27.21 | RazberrieTart | Titan21: Well you can do /quit message here or check in your iRC client's settings - config or something similar. It all depends on teh client. |
| 09:28.22 | Titan21 | Im using pidgin... |
| 09:28.33 | Titan21 | so, I just write /quit <message>? |
| 09:28.42 | RazberrieTart | Should work. |
| 09:28.56 | RazberrieTart | but there might be something in settings - configure pidgin or so ... |
| 09:29.04 | RazberrieTart | hasn't tried pidgin yet |
| 09:29.04 | Titan21 | alrite, thanks.. |
| 09:29.13 | RazberrieTart | is a Konversation girl |
| 09:29.16 | Titan21 | bye :) |
| 09:29.29 | RazberrieTart | bye Titan21 |
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| 12:58.14 | Sargun_screen | i am arguing dns is the world's largest pWp system |
| 12:58.14 | Sargun_screen | and the oldest |
| 12:58.15 | Sargun_screen | would anyone agree/disagree |
| 13:11.59 | ^Migs^ | George Carlin passed away |
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| 13:36.11 | Sargun_screen | ^Migs^: that happened...a while ago |
| 13:39.01 | ^Migs^ | like, yesterday? |
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| 13:46.08 | Sargun_screen | Mon Jun 23 06:46:08 PDT 2008 |
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| 14:19.15 | elg | -hcat |
| 14:19.16 | elg | -chat |
| 14:19.21 | brac | ~halt ibot |
| 14:19.22 | ibot | ACTION computes ibot then halts |
| 14:19.27 | elg | ~onjoin harleypig Hey baby, wanna jump in the pool? |
| 14:19.27 | ibot | ok, elg |
| 14:25.36 | elg | you heard it here first folks |
| 14:26.13 | elg | I was the first in our clique to call out pulseaudio as a worthless waste. I slightly changed my tune and stopped dissing it (publicly), but now the truth is seeping forth |
| 14:27.56 | jsmith | :-) |
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| 14:34.03 | elg | haha |
| 14:34.04 | elg | http://www.comics.com//comics/getfuzzy/archive/getfuzzy-20080622.html |
| 14:34.07 | brac | [Get Fuzzy] |
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| 15:34.09 | tensai | elg: is there a feed for get fuzzy? |
| 15:34.18 | eggyknap | phpgrabcomics... |
| 15:34.21 | elg | yeah |
| 15:34.45 | elg | http://feeds.feedburner.com/tapestrygetfuzzy |
| 15:34.57 | eggyknap | http://www.baravalle.it/phpGrabComics/phpgrabcomics.php?from_real_site=True |
| 15:35.09 | eggyknap | The above feed grabs all kinds of comics, most of which I don't read. :) |
| 15:35.34 | tensai | cool. I stopped reading it a while back because I couldn't find a feed. |
| 15:37.31 | ECRS401 | http://www.comicalert.com/comics/6057-get-fuzzy/ |
| 15:53.34 | elg | tensai: so I got me a tin. it turns out the web site was just missing parentheses |
| 15:53.45 | elg | butter (milk) and artificial flavor (vanilla) |
| 15:54.10 | elg | and i wasn't crazy, my cookies are nothing like this. |
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| 15:54.18 | elg | enter science |
| 15:54.34 | elg | is going to reverse engineer the recipe from the nutrition facts |
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| 15:56.55 | tensai | ~melt {-} |
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| 16:14.46 | levi | elg: A tin of what? And is there a popular backlash against pulseaudio now? |
| 16:16.27 | sontek | I'm not against pulse audio, just against its alsa plugin |
| 16:16.59 | sontek | because its a horribly developed pile of crap that crashes alsa and broke any app that used mmap |
| 16:17.20 | Sargun | Hahah |
| 16:17.52 | levi | My neighbor (the one who was life-flighted out on Wednesday) died at home yesterday after being released from the hospital. |
| 16:18.46 | Sargun | That's sad. |
| 16:19.55 | levi | Yeah. Cancer sucks. :( |
| 16:24.34 | Sargun | Yes, yes it does. |
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| 16:26.31 | Tene | http://www.artima.com/weblogs/viewpost.jsp?thread=98196 |
| 16:39.04 | maquis | levi: :( |
| 16:42.13 | sjansen | sontek: I've had zero problems with it. Perhaps SUSE is the pile of crap that crashes also apps. |
| 16:43.05 | sontek | sjansen: nope, we just got lucky and shipped the latest release of it, while the other distros are still far behind |
| 16:43.14 | sontek | sjansen: but the mmap issue has been there for awhile |
| 16:43.22 | sontek | sjansen: try using VLC with it |
| 16:43.38 | sontek | sjansen: I bet you won't have sound ;) unless your distro shipped before that bug was introduced too |
| 16:43.59 | sjansen | All software has bugs. That's why distros do Q&A. |
| 16:44.03 | sontek | and the alsa apps don't crash, alsa itself crashes |
| 16:45.46 | sontek | sjansen: i'm sure the majority of these bugs exist in all distros, but I'd have to run those distros to find out |
| 16:46.03 | sontek | sjansen: The pulse audio guys will admit that the plugin is a horrible hack if you ask them |
| 16:46.10 | sontek | sjansen: but they are working on it |
| 16:53.19 | fozzmoo_ | sontek: Your blog just reminded me of the "old daze" when ALSA came on the scene and stirred things up. |
| 16:53.26 | fozzmoo_ | A lot of people didn't like their OSS emulation either. |
| 16:53.46 | fozzmoo_ | There were HOWTOs for howto disable ALSA and just go pure OSS like you used to. |
| 16:54.35 | fozzmoo_ | Your "disable pulseaudio" solution is kind of a hack in and of itself. |
| 16:54.54 | fozzmoo_ | It's certainly not what the OpenSUSE project wants its users to be doing. :) |
| 16:56.00 | sontek | fozzmoo_: It needs to be done until the plugin is fixed |
| 16:56.20 | sontek | fozzmoo_: the current state of the plugin gets us back to the old days when audio in Linux was hard |
| 16:56.50 | fozzmoo | Like sjansen, I have little or no problems with pulseaudio (on Fedora). |
| 16:57.04 | fozzmoo | I wish I could have said the same thing when pulseaudio was first introduced to Fedora. |
| 16:57.20 | sontek | fozzmoo: and a lot of people don't have issues with it in openSUSE, but those that do, their only solution is to disable the plugin |
| 16:57.49 | sontek | fozzmoo: if you watch a lot of flash or want to use VLC, the alsa plugin isn't there yet |
| 16:57.50 | sjansen | fozzmoo: Were you running rawhide? 'Cause I never had a problem with PA, but then I tend to wait a couple weeks before switching to the latest Fedora. |
| 16:58.25 | sontek | fozzmoo: And my solution was suggested by the pulse audio developers |
| 16:58.32 | sontek | fozzmoo: I didn't stumble upon it on my own |
| 16:58.42 | sjansen | sontek: You mean the packaging of the PA ALSA plugin for openSUSE isn't there yet because they missed something during QA. |
| 16:58.58 | fozzmoo | sjansen: No, but I think when I first installed F7, third-party apps (xine, mplayer, etc.) couldn't play anything without stuttering. |
| 16:59.05 | sontek | sjansen: No, these are all documented bugs in PA |
| 16:59.20 | bonez45 | what's a good music tool, similar to gtk-gnutella? suggestions? |
| 16:59.39 | fozzmoo | The solution was partly configuration on my side and partly waiting for Fedora/PulseAudio to get their act together. |
| 16:59.42 | sontek | bonez45: cool kids use torrents these days |
| 17:00.43 | sontek | sjansen: i'm not going to say openSUSE is perfect, but these are bugs from upstream, not anything openSUSE could've done, other than not shipping PA |
| 17:01.01 | bonez45 | sontek: what I am looking for is this.. I have, nay OWN Pulse from Pink Floyd...only problem is two tracks on disc one are screwed...I'd like to find those two tracks .. to create my backup archive... wanting something where I can search on a track title..like gnutella used to allow me... |
| 17:01.04 | sontek | sjansen: and there are openSUSE developers working on fixing it |
| 17:02.42 | sontek | bonez45: I think some people still use limewire |
| 17:02.59 | sontek | or that donkey one |
| 17:03.03 | sontek | edonkey or something |
| 17:05.49 | bonez45 | sontek: what about you? what do you use? |
| 17:06.08 | sontek | bonez45: I'm a cool kid, I use torrents |
| 17:06.10 | sontek | ;) |
| 17:07.02 | bonez45 | so 'torrents' would be the app, where you search for what you want? I know torrents as in massive data transfer... |
| 17:13.05 | ^Migs^ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34LtrnnXQTc |
| 17:20.06 | bonez45 | ^Migs^: excellent... how does one d/l the simpson map ? |
| 17:20.17 | bonez45 | my boys will be GLUED to their PC's if they have this .. |
| 17:23.16 | ^Migs^ | from the link they provide there |
| 17:23.29 | ^Migs^ | some of the commenters say they can't play it, but they're probably just noobs |
| 17:24.00 | ^Migs^ | I think we might have to organize a Quake 3 Arena party sometime this week in the office |
| 17:24.20 | bonez45 | well, the video plays.... |
| 17:24.26 | bonez45 | for me anyway |
| 17:24.32 | ^Migs^ | I mean play the map |
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| 17:30.36 | elg | levi: not a huge one, but I'm noticing a swell of blogs on how to disable it, work around problems, etc. |
| 17:30.41 | elg | a bloglash maybe ;-) |
| 17:30.46 | elg | a tin of danish butter cookies |
| 17:31.10 | RyanE | if I get a tin of danish butter cookies for disabling pulseaudio, I'm all for it! |
| 17:31.59 | *** topic/#utah by sjansen -> http://plug.org/irc | Channel log @ http://ibot.rikers.org/%23utah/ | UTOSC 2008 Registration now open @ http://2008.utosc.com | Disable audio on elg's boxen and get a tin of Danish butter cookies! |
| 17:32.07 | RyanE | This Mr. Wizard kit, as its name implies, consists entirely of culturing molds and bacteria. That should be done only under professional supervision--even if you don't follow the kit's suggestion that you culture matter from dirty garbage cans. We rate it Not Acceptable. |
| 17:32.15 | RyanE | http://www.consumerreports.org/content/Home/Gallery/Photos/197303.jpg |
| 17:33.20 | elg | see the thing with PA is you either need the ALSA plugin or you need to turn off PA altogether. Unless you have a real sound card in which case you can, like me, just laugh at everyone. |
| 17:34.06 | RyanE | I find that I don't require a sound card to laugh at everyone. |
| 17:34.15 | eggyknap | Since I was asking myself this a while ago, what's a "real sound card"? |
| 17:34.50 | elg | like a real man, it's kind of hard to pin down |
| 17:34.53 | elg | (oh, I'm funny) |
| 17:35.24 | elg | basically, a sound card with more than one audio channel in hardware, so it can play more than one stream at once |
| 17:35.37 | elg | can be had for like $15, average cost $30 |
| 17:35.43 | elg | a lot less than most people spend on video cards |
| 17:35.51 | RyanE | options for laptops non-existant. |
| 17:35.59 | RyanE | actually, maybe there are USB ones... |
| 17:36.04 | sjansen | A real sound card can hand multiple audio streams without a software mixer, it has optical input & output, and it shoots laser deathrays at anyone that tries to turn down your Chemical Brothers. |
| 17:36.05 | elg | yes, except for usb ones |
| 17:36.13 | elg | sjansen nailed it |
| 17:36.21 | RyanE | awesome |
| 17:36.30 | elg | though i've never used digital I/O on a soundcard yet. someday I will |
| 17:36.48 | elg | and some laptops conceivably would have a real soundcard onboard |
| 17:37.01 | elg | without the excessive connectors option |
| 17:37.10 | elg | (excessive for a laptop, that is) |
| 17:38.33 | elg | just got back from teaching mercurial new member discussions |
| 17:38.36 | elg | to some EE friends |
| 17:38.48 | elg | they're up and running in ye olde real worlde |
| 17:38.56 | elg | with pushing, pulling, merging, etc. |
| 17:39.02 | elg | heartwarming |
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| 17:53.18 | sjansen | Why hg? I thought you were a darcs fan? |
| 17:53.42 | elg | i was, then hg matured and darcs didn't. |
| 17:54.12 | elg | hg combines most of the user-friendliness of darcs, plus some nicer migration paths for cvs users, and most of the speed of git, plus it's WAY easier to install than darcs |
| 17:54.31 | elg | in all, i consider hg the current leader of the pack |
| 17:58.00 | goozbach | -chat breaking lose |
| 17:58.00 | brac | breaking lose |
| 17:58.25 | jsmith | -chat break the |
| 17:58.26 | brac | break the homerun record |
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| 18:20.55 | ^Migs^ | http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/funny-pictures-cat-blanchett-stares-you-down.jpg |
| 18:21.25 | RazberrieTart | Heh :D |
| 18:23.00 | ^Migs^ | http://www.randomkittengenerator.com/ |
| 18:23.01 | brac | [The World Famous Random Kitten Generator] |
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| 18:28.57 | whiteinge | Anyone know of a free VM that will boot from a partition that isn't vmplayer? |
| 18:30.44 | nick125 | QEMU |
| 18:30.49 | nick125 | I think virtualbox will do it as well |
| 18:35.36 | whiteinge | thanks, nick125. you're right about virtualbox. |
| 18:35.49 | whiteinge | vmplayer is not very easy to configure :( |
| 18:37.44 | nick125 | vmplayer isn't really meant to be configured. It's meant to run preconfigured images made by VMware workstation |
| 18:40.36 | whiteinge | ah |
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| 19:32.34 | goozbach | ~seen perigrine |
| 19:32.39 | ibot | goozbach: i haven't seen 'perigrine' |
| 19:33.18 | findlay | why not? |
| 19:33.57 | maquis | ~seen peregrine |
| 19:33.58 | ibot | peregrine <n=david@unaffiliated/peregrine> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 696d 52m 35s ago, saying: 'I installed the official wine package from stable/main. Whenever I run any Windows program, all non-Windows programs change colors. I'm not quite sure what to do about this?'. |
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| 19:40.12 | brac | [The Great Office War Video] |
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| 19:48.57 | nick125 | Anyone here use a distributed SCM? I'm wondering how you structure your directory structure (just trying to get a general consensus). |
| 19:53.12 | goozbach | nick125: it depends on the usage model |
| 19:54.10 | goozbach | if anyone uses it as a non-distrubted SCM tool "cvs or svn like" I'll create the top level directories trunk, branches, tags... |
| 19:54.36 | nick125 | Well, using it like a DSCM with the builtin branching/tagging. |
| 19:55.01 | goozbach | if everyone uses the branch stuff I usually do one folder per functionality/project |
| 19:55.21 | goozbach | ie everything that would have otherwise been in "trunk" |
| 20:15.48 | Tene | nick125: what do you mean? what directory structure is relevant to dscm? |
| 20:16.13 | nick125 | Tene: Maybe I should've asked about directory structure in general rather than trying to relate it to DSCMs. |
| 20:16.30 | Tene | Maybe. Try phrasing the question that way. |
| 20:16.37 | Tene | Then I'll try answering agin. |
| 20:16.38 | Tene | again. |
| 20:17.10 | nick125 | Okay. I'm beginning work on a project in Python and I'm trying to determine the best directory structure that people would be familar with. |
| 20:17.42 | findlay | well, have the top level directories above the bottom ones? |
| 20:17.59 | goozbach | nick125: the best part about using a modern SCM tool is you aren't married to one layout. |
| 20:18.10 | Tene | nick125: what things are you wanting to put where? |
| 20:18.11 | goozbach | bzr mv foo bar #FTW! |
| 20:18.33 | Tene | I usually have a src/, lib/, tools/, t/, docs/ |
| 20:18.46 | nick125 | Tene: Basically, I want to separate the source code away from the documentation and example code |
| 20:19.08 | sjansen | Seems to me there's a "standard" directory structure for python apps. |
| 20:19.32 | sjansen | Kinda like for Perl, there's a standard layout defined for CPAN. |
| 20:20.05 | Tene | http://www.cs.colorado.edu/~buechley/LilyPad/build/turn_signal_jacket.html |
| 20:21.12 | sjansen | In the case of Python, the layout is defined by the installer, but I don't remember what it's called. |
| 20:21.45 | findlay | sudo python setup.py install |
| 20:22.03 | sjansen | nick125: You should hop on over to #utahpython and ask. |
| 20:22.15 | findlay | is that iambic pentameter? |
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| 20:35.25 | maquis | ack! |
| 20:35.32 | maquis | somebody turned on the lights |
| 20:35.32 | maquis | :( |
| 20:36.09 | jsmith | turns off the lights, turns down the thermostat, and relaxes |
| 20:37.56 | goozbach | cuddles up in a giant quilt, with a book and his booklight |
| 20:38.16 | goozbach | YAY!, my DNS is working (mostly) again!! |
| 20:39.24 | Sargun | goozbach, Yay! you're competent! |
| 20:39.43 | mrpull-lt | the remote one that had /etc deleted? |
| 20:39.51 | Sargun | goozbach, what was that highly recursive record? |
| 20:39.57 | Sargun | xbmodder@god ~/erlang/dns $ host friocorte.com |
| 20:39.57 | Sargun | ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached |
| 20:40.07 | goozbach | Sargun: hence the (mostly) |
| 20:40.30 | goozbach | I changed my top level glue records |
| 20:40.52 | goozbach | ( I have been waiting the requsite 48hours to test) |
| 20:46.01 | Sargun | friocorte.com.172800INNSns1.friocorte.com. |
| 20:46.02 | Sargun | friocorte.com.172800INNSpleasedropthishost12355.bigfatchubby.biz. |
| 20:46.05 | Sargun | you got hacked? |
| 20:46.36 | goozbach | no, I let my bigfatchubby registry die |
| 20:46.51 | goozbach | s/registry/registration/ |
| 20:47.18 | Sargun | tallstack ~ # nmap 166.70.63.211 |
| 20:47.18 | Sargun | Starting Nmap 4.60 ( http://nmap.org ) at 2008-06-23 13:44 PDT |
| 20:47.18 | Sargun | Note: Host seems down. If it is really up, but blocking our ping probes, try -PN |
| 20:47.18 | Sargun | Nmap done: 1 IP address (0 hosts up) scanned in 3.069 seconds |
| 20:47.21 | Sargun | :-( |
| 20:47.27 | Sargun | No ICMP Ping? |
| 20:47.55 | goozbach | that's the old host |
| 20:48.06 | goozbach | (mostly working is for my important domains) |
| 20:48.23 | goozbach | Sargun: stop hacking my sites! :) |
| 20:49.04 | Sargun | is a good boy |
| 20:49.11 | Sargun | puts the halo on his head |
| 20:56.38 | mrpull-lt | speaking of halos |
| 20:56.45 | mrpull-lt | any #utah'ers play halo3? |
| 20:57.19 | nick125 | WHAT THE HELL! |
| 20:57.23 | nick125 | Amazon.com charged my account twice |
| 20:57.35 | elg | ~blame maquis |
| 20:57.36 | ibot | ACTION blames maquis (and Canada) for all the evil in the world |
| 20:58.34 | nick125 | Now my account is overdrafted |
| 20:58.48 | Sargun | goozbach, port 53 isn't open |
| 20:58.52 | Sargun | how is that a DNS server? |
| 20:59.41 | nick125 | Anyone here know of a phone number to Amazon? |
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| 21:04.26 | pmcnabb | nick125: http://www.hardtofind800numbers.com/listings/a.htm |
| 21:04.27 | brac | [Hard to Find 800 Numbers | ABC News, Adobe, Alamo, AOL, Amazon, American Airlines, Apple, Avis] |
| 21:05.12 | nick125 | pmcnabb: thanks |
| 21:11.36 | maquis | nick125: there's a better way |
| 21:12.27 | maquis | log into your account, then at the bottom of the page, there's a "help" link |
| 21:12.27 | maquis | then, you can just give them your phone number, and they'll call you within a minute |
| 21:12.38 | maquis | that way, you A) won't get stuck on hold, and B) will hopefully not have to go through any sort of phone menu to get to the right person who can help you |
| 21:12.43 | nick125 | maquis: I just got off the phone with them..they said it was an authorization and since it didn't go through the first time, they authorized it twice. |
| 21:13.20 | maquis | nick125: odd |
| 21:13.27 | maquis | were they helpful? |
| 21:13.31 | nick125 | nope |
| 21:13.43 | nick125 | I'm on the phone to my bank now |
| 21:13.52 | maquis | i'm sorry... |
| 21:13.58 | findlay | maquis: you rock :) |
| 21:14.14 | findlay | for pointing that out |
| 21:14.30 | maquis | findlay: for pointing out that way of getting to customer service? |
| 21:14.35 | findlay | yes |
| 21:18.08 | sontek | hey, someone told me about an awesome network monitoring tool awhile ago but I forget what it was |
| 21:18.15 | sontek | it was like a ncurses frontend to tcpdump |
| 21:19.37 | sontek | iptraf! |
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| 21:21.08 | Sargun | stabs sontek until he cries |
| 21:21.13 | Sargun | iptraf is a bad work |
| 21:21.31 | sontek | :( I liked it! |
| 21:21.38 | Sargun | ~lart sontek |
| 21:21.38 | ibot | calls sontek on the phone ... the lights are on but nobody's home |
| 21:21.52 | sontek | ~opensuse Sargun |
| 21:21.52 | ibot | ACTION improves Sargun's performance, stability, and over all look at feel. |
| 21:22.34 | Heartsbane | unpossible |
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| 21:23.31 | nick125 | So much for buying those domain names I wanted to buy. |
| 21:24.19 | Sargun | Noooooo |
| 21:24.37 | nick125 | waits on hold to Bank of America |
| 21:25.42 | sontek | I lost my wallet so I don't have any credit cards :P |
| 21:25.47 | sontek | I kind of like it though |
| 21:25.50 | sontek | I spend a lot less oney |
| 21:25.52 | sontek | money* |
| 21:31.39 | nick125 | Well, Bank of America told me that I'm going to get hit with two overdraft fees no matter what. Thanks Amazon! |
| 21:33.40 | mrpull-lt | amazon should give you the overdraft fees |
| 21:33.44 | mrpull-lt | i bet the will |
| 21:33.46 | mrpull-lt | they |
| 21:33.48 | mrpull-lt | ask them |
| 21:34.00 | mrpull-lt | and ask for an additional discount on what you bough |
| 21:34.01 | mrpull-lt | t |
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| 21:39.10 | bonez45 | nick125: that's what you get with a big time bank....... |
| 21:43.49 | nick125 | bonez45: If they charge me the overdraft fees, I'll pay them then I'm closing every account I have there and I will be getting everyone else in my house to do the same. |
| 21:44.24 | bonez45 | that's right..and let them know.... that you are disgusted with their practices... |
| 21:49.18 | sontek | I closed my bofa accounts a few years ago |
| 21:51.44 | nick125 | So much for BofA's "we'll email you if your account goes below $0" alert. |
| 21:52.01 | bonez45 | nick125: are you here in Utah? |
| 21:52.32 | sontek | there are only bofa atm's in utah |
| 21:55.02 | nick125 | bonez45: negative. I'm in NM. |
| 21:58.19 | elg | eggyknap: i haven't forgotten your pact |
| 21:58.25 | elg | no, not pregnancy pact |
| 21:58.42 | elg | i'll probably have a draft for you tomorrow |
| 21:59.09 | maquis | nick125: go through the other system to get to another amazon rep |
| 21:59.13 | maquis | explain the issue |
| 22:07.31 | Sargun | nick125, Amazon is pretty responsive. |
| 22:07.47 | Sargun | nick125, Except that one time they DDoSed us.... |
| 22:07.53 | Sargun | Or was that eBay? |
| 22:08.04 | nick125 | I think that was eBay. |
| 22:08.07 | Sargun | Hahaha |
| 22:08.14 | nick125 | maquis: yeah, I'll try that if I get nowhere with BofA. |
| 22:08.15 | Sargun | That was so sad :'-( |
| 22:08.23 | Sargun | nick125, BofA is respo |
| 22:08.27 | Sargun | nsive if you moan enough |
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| 22:28.57 | ^Migs^ | http://bash.org/?865776 |
| 22:28.58 | brac | [QDB: Quote #865776] |
| 22:29.37 | RazberrieTart | ROFL |
| 22:29.43 | ^Migs^ | nice job tensai :) |
| 22:30.02 | ^Migs^ | is it odd I feel proud to be featured on bash.org? |
| 22:32.17 | RazberrieTart | ... is it odd that I admit to just a tiny tiny twinge of envy ? |
| 22:33.01 | ^Migs^ | well, you can always appear on the qdb.us queue, for a short while |
| 22:33.07 | ^Migs^ | maybe you just need to be more funny |
| 22:34.36 | RazberrieTart | heh, maybe. |
| 22:46.00 | findlay | ~funny |
| 22:46.01 | ibot | funny is, like, Bug report #41459; xmms: xmms eats my memory and finds it tasty. http://members.lycos.co.uk/ukrock/individual_pages/various/argentina-1.jpg |
| 22:47.07 | findlay | ibot needs an upgraded funny |
| 22:47.17 | findlay | ibot: no, funny is http://bash.org/?865776 |
| 22:47.17 | ibot | okay, findlay |
| 22:47.20 | brac | [QDB: Quote #865776] |
| 22:48.36 | findlay | that all may measure their relative success at humor with ^Migs^' example |
| 22:53.03 | nick125 | Anyone here know how to get a refund from UPS? My package (the imfamous amazon.com package) was supposed to be delivered today as I paid for guaranteed 1-day shipping and now they're saying it's delayed. |
| 22:54.11 | RazberrieTart | calling and stuff ? |
| 23:02.30 | findlay | ~lart tabs |
| 23:02.30 | ibot | puts on a hockey mask and jumps out at tabs |
| 23:06.24 | maquis | nick125: talk to amazon about it... |
| 23:12.36 | Sargun | ^Migs^, hahah |
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| 23:37.09 | Supaplex | *hiccup* |
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| 23:45.13 | tensai | ^Migs^: woot |
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| 23:53.20 | nick125 | Hah. I was just filling out a request with Amazon for a refund on the shipping when UPS showed up. |
