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| 01:47.14 | levi | Tene: So, what were you pinging me about? |
| 02:36.25 | levi | Mmm, root beer floats. |
| 02:36.28 | levi | And PEZ. |
| 02:36.32 | levi | But not at the same time! |
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| 02:40.26 | Tene | levi: I was having trouble finding information on some smalltalk stuff, but I figure it out. |
| 02:40.52 | Tene | I committed a smalltalk grammar today, I'll probably get the rest of the compiler done tonight or tomorrow. |
| 02:41.27 | levi | Cool. :) |
| 02:41.27 | Sargun_screen | cool |
| 02:41.49 | levi | It's unconventional, but simple and uniform. |
| 02:41.52 | Sargun_screen | pop rocks and soda! |
| 02:42.16 | Sargun_screen | what are you compiling smalltalk to? |
| 02:42.36 | Tene | Specifically, I was unsure if blocks automatically returned the result of the last statement, or if blocks without a ^ had no return value. |
| 02:42.42 | levi | Tene's a Parrot guy. |
| 02:42.47 | Tene | Looks like probably the latter. |
| 02:43.03 | Sargun_screen | ahh. |
| 02:43.09 | levi | Huh. I don't know off the top of my head. |
| 02:43.25 | Sargun_screen | parrot is pretty cool. |
| 02:43.26 | Tene | Also, I had trouble finding out what the ! meant in the samples in the gnu-smalltalk package. |
| 02:43.43 | Sargun_screen | not |
| 02:43.44 | levi | I would guess the latter, though, since I've always seen the ^ wherever a value is returned. |
| 02:43.59 | Tene | looks like it separates lexical scopes, or some such. |
| 02:44.25 | Sargun_screen | whats the hardest langauge to handle? |
| 02:44.47 | Tene | Sargun_screen: tcl has some significant issues, due ot its very dynamic nature. |
| 02:44.59 | levi | I'm not familiar with gnu-smalltalk, but as I understand it's got some new syntax to handle file-based development. |
| 02:45.15 | levi | tcl is bizarre |
| 02:45.36 | Tene | Oh, right, there was another question... |
| 02:45.38 | levi | I had a coworker who loved it, though. He was a hardware tester, and he did all his test harnesses in tcl. |
| 02:45.39 | Sargun_screen | i wonder how python is -- if someone was to write another interpreter |
| 02:46.01 | Sargun_screen | levi: our last QA engineer was a tcl lover. |
| 02:46.03 | Tene | Sargun_screen: there's a cardinal implementation of python. Kinda basic. |
| 02:46.13 | levi | Python's fairly mature these days. I don't think it's terribly difficult. |
| 02:46.14 | Tene | The parsing isn't much of an issue for python. |
| 02:46.40 | Sargun_screen | we fired him because his code was..interesting, |
| 02:46.45 | Tene | levi: Some information I found lists _ as a synonym for := |
| 02:47.09 | Tene | levi: but the grammar you showed me considers _ a valid identifier. |
| 02:47.49 | levi | Tene: Right. In the original implementation, the key code that represents _ in ASCII was used for a left arrow character. |
| 02:48.17 | levi | ANSI Smalltalk switched to := for assignment, to be ASCII-compatible. |
| 02:59.06 | Tene | levi: you going ot be around on irc much the rest of the night? |
| 03:03.24 | levi | Tene: A bit, but I'm trying to get some homework done so I may not be terribly responsive. |
| 03:03.32 | Tene | levi: specifically, it would be great if you could give me some smalltalk examples to parse. |
| 03:04.32 | levi | All my smalltalk was written a couple of years ago and is inside a Squeak image somewhere. |
| 03:04.40 | Tene | Ah, okay. NM then. |
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| 03:59.43 | elg | wow, this is to be the hottest week of the year |
| 03:59.47 | elg | http://tinyurl.com/4bqo7c |
| 04:00.42 | elg | http://forecast.weather.gov/showsigwx.php?warnzone=NMZ032&warncounty=NMC013&firewxzone=NMZ112&local_place1=Las+Cruces+NM&product1=Special+Weather+Statement |
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| 06:15.21 | levi | So, I just tried some Amano chocolate in the form of a truffle from Chocolatier Blue. Two thumbs up! |
| 06:15.40 | levi | And, oddly enough, Rhubarb-flavored chocolate isn't half bad. |
| 06:29.42 | findlay | is it half good? |
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| 07:12.34 | Tene | http://use.perl.org/~pmichaud/journal/36695?from=irc |
| 07:33.57 | findlay | Tene: is that half good? |
| 07:34.37 | Tene | findlay: half-blue. |
| 07:35.00 | findlay | and the other half? |
| 07:35.15 | findlay | Zeno's paradox? |
| 07:44.58 | findlay | Free Unix! |
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| 08:45.57 | Tene | Okay, I have the start of a functional smalltalk compiler. |
| 08:46.24 | Tene | It can compile and run "Transcript show: 'foo'" |
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| 14:20.22 | ^Migs^ | ~lart |
| 14:20.24 | ^Migs^ | ~rlart |
| 14:20.25 | ibot | pulls out his louisville slugger and uses dataw0lf's head to break the homerun record |
| 14:21.16 | Sargun_screen | TAL IS AMAZING! ;:-) |
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| 14:28.37 | elg | -chat it is |
| 14:28.38 | brac | it is only rated for not coming. |
| 14:28.54 | elg | -chat it's so |
| 14:28.55 | brac | it's so ugly, you have to go with it in my inbox this morning |
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| 14:33.17 | Sargun_screen | -excuse |
| 14:33.18 | brac | You're out of memory |
| 14:43.58 | ^Migs^ | cool |
| 14:44.06 | ^Migs^ | someone just accessed our student portal with a Wii |
| 14:44.49 | elg | did you get them expelled? |
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| 14:49.11 | ^Migs^ | uh, schools out for the summer |
| 14:49.59 | elg | summer? what summer? |
| 14:50.00 | elg | -metar klru |
| 14:50.05 | brac | KLRU 161424Z AUTO 35012G18KT 10SM CLR 32/02 A3004 RMK AO2 |
| 14:53.14 | elg | -metar klru |
| 14:53.14 | brac | KLRU 161424Z AUTO 35012G18KT 10SM CLR 32/02 A3004 RMK AO2 |
| 14:53.24 | elg | -metar kpvu |
| 14:53.25 | brac | KPVU 161357Z 13004KT 15SM FEW120 17/06 A3004 |
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| 15:27.56 | levi | Morning. |
| 15:28.12 | levi | Oh, apparently Chocolatier Blue is moving to California. :( |
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| 15:30.01 | maquis | chocolatier blue? |
| 15:31.07 | findlay | ~migs levi |
| 15:31.08 | ibot | ACTION forces levi to learn perl from ^Migs^ |
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| 15:48.55 | levi | maquis: This gourmet chocolate-maker that's currently in Alpine, UT. |
| 15:49.25 | levi | http://www.chocolatierblue.com/ |
| 15:49.26 | brac | [organic chocolates by chocolatier blue] |
| 15:49.43 | levi | They've even got some chocolates made with Amano Madagascar chocolate. |
| 15:53.23 | maquis | levi: what's special about amano madagascar chocolate? |
| 15:53.39 | elg | it's made from armadillos |
| 15:58.30 | RyanE | It's made by a BYU Computer Science grad. |
| 15:58.42 | RyanE | *from the bean!* |
| 16:05.00 | levi | maquis: Yeah, it's locally-made chocolate, and I've met the guys that make it. |
| 16:05.11 | maquis | wow |
| 16:05.12 | levi | It's pretty tasty, too. |
| 16:05.14 | maquis | that's pretty cool |
| 16:06.36 | levi | You should look at the chocolatier blue site. You can order their chocolates online there. |
| 16:09.25 | harleypig | http://123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123.com/ |
| 16:12.54 | harleypig | makes me want to register 999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999.com |
| 16:16.46 | findlay | local chocolat? |
| 16:17.33 | findlay | 299792458.com |
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| 16:19.38 | harleypig | findlay: eeww ... that's a parking site ... |
| 16:19.44 | harleypig | err ... parked site |
| 16:27.35 | findlay | harleypig: speed of light, man |
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| 16:53.01 | harleypig | findlay: I caught the reference (after a while) but it's still a parked site ... |
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| 17:37.11 | levi | Argh, I'm getting a headache. |
| 17:39.14 | Sargun | levi, Advil |
| 17:42.17 | maquis | levi: do they provide painkillers at work for you guys? |
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| 17:45.12 | tensai | elg: I looked at the organ at church yesterday. all that stuff you said was actually true. |
| 17:45.32 | elg | i must have been reading from the wrong script then. sorry |
| 17:45.42 | tensai | better luck next time |
| 17:46.42 | tensai | our organ has one swell division. there's a swell and crescendo pedal. I had the organist press the crescendo pedal down and I could distinctly hear when stops were opened up. |
| 17:47.08 | tensai | I think it said there are 6 ranks |
| 17:49.24 | tensai | elg: there were a lot more than 6 stops. if there are only 6 ranks, how do they accomplish that? |
| 17:49.42 | elg | who said it has 6 ranks? and is it a real pipe organ or just electronic, or both? |
| 17:50.49 | tensai | there was a little placard on the organ console |
| 17:51.12 | elg | sometimes a hybrid organ will be described by the number of actual pipe ranks, ignoring the imaginary electronic ranks |
| 17:51.25 | tensai | it's a real pipe organ. I'm not sure if it has any electronics in it. |
| 17:51.40 | maquis | you guys have real pipe organs in your church buildings? |
| 17:51.41 | elg | old looking or new looking? |
| 17:51.51 | tensai | the original organ was built by the members in the 30s |
| 17:51.54 | elg | not me, but tensai does. my grandparents do |
| 17:52.05 | maquis | wow |
| 17:52.08 | eggyknap | misses former wards and their pipe organs |
| 17:52.10 | elg | and dr. bush's ward has a really spiffy organ |
| 17:52.23 | elg | complete with zimblestern |
| 17:52.25 | maquis | tries to think if there are any buildings in washington that have pipe organs |
| 17:52.32 | tensai | it was updated a couple years ago when they remodeled. they put in a new console, but I don't know if they added anything else |
| 17:52.40 | ^Migs^ | ugh, I had to play the organ at stake conference yesterday |
| 17:52.44 | ^Migs^ | I messed up a bunch |
| 17:52.46 | Sargun | ^Migs^, heh |
| 17:52.46 | elg | it would have to be a special or older building to have a real pipe organ |
| 17:52.56 | ^Migs^ | and I found out I had been practicing the wrong songs |
| 17:53.07 | ^Migs^ | and the stops sounded MUCH louder when there was no one in the building |
| 17:53.13 | elg | in ye olde days, when members were responsible for part of the funding for buildings, if they wanted a real pipe organ and could come up with the cash, they got it. |
| 17:53.29 | elg | things are much more homogenized now. luckily, electric organs have come a long way |
| 17:53.34 | ^Migs^ | yeah, they are |
| 17:53.43 | ^Migs^ | this was a great organ, but clearly an old electric one |
| 17:53.50 | ^Migs^ | and NO great bass coupler WTF |
| 17:54.00 | eggyknap | ^Migs^: Yeah, always plan stops to sound really loud in practice... a congregation will absorb a lot of sound. |
| 17:54.03 | ^Migs^ | I don't know why people think I'm an organist |
| 17:54.13 | elg | because you hang out with eggyknap |
| 17:54.17 | ^Migs^ | I WAS planning that. I just wasn't planning on this much absorption |
| 17:54.29 | ^Migs^ | well, now i know |
| 17:54.33 | elg | tensai: can you remember what stops were there? |
| 17:54.40 | eggyknap | doesn't claim to be an organist by anything other than calling. |
| 17:54.44 | ^Migs^ | with any luck, they won't ask me to play the organ again. I really did kind of suck, imo |
| 17:54.45 | elg | were there more than 6 names? |
| 17:54.55 | ^Migs^ | see, I can tear it up on the piano. That's fine. I love playing the piano for people. |
| 17:54.58 | ^Migs^ | but the organ....ugh |
| 17:55.05 | ^Migs^ | yeah, same here eggy |
| 17:55.10 | ^Migs^ | I like our simple little church organ |
| 17:55.27 | elg | i hate our organ. i wish it would just die already |
| 17:55.32 | elg | but i like playing the organ |
| 17:55.41 | ^Migs^ | organs are great instruments |
| 17:55.47 | ^Migs^ | when played by someone who knows how to play them |
| 17:56.03 | tensai | elg: I can't really remember. there was a cello and a principle on the pedal. there was a tremelo, of course. beyond that I don't recall. |
| 17:56.23 | tensai | maybe I can sneak in early before scouts and tinker with it |
| 17:57.02 | elg | if it's only pipe, and it sounds like it is, then there should really only be 6 different stops. they would probably show up several times though, on the different divisions (though not all of them necessarily) |
| 17:57.42 | tensai | one rank could be used by both the swell and great? |
| 17:57.47 | elg | my grandparents' ward organ (which was also my ward for a time and I played it in church a few times) had probably 4 ranks. there were probably between 8-12 actual knobs though |
| 17:57.53 | eggyknap | tensai: they do that all the time. |
| 17:57.59 | elg | yeah |
| 17:58.04 | elg | especially on small organs |
| 17:58.49 | eggyknap | when that happens, though, you've got to worry a little more about ranks that don't cover the whole range of the keyboard (or pedalboard, as the case may be) |
| 17:59.10 | eggyknap | i.e. you play above F# and suddenly find half your sound is gone. |
| 18:07.22 | elg | and about the distinction of notes. if you have the same stop pulled on both swell and great and you play the same note on one that's being held on the other, you don't get the chiff |
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| 18:15.50 | tensai | elg: chiff? |
| 18:16.15 | findlay | tensai: it's the initial noise you get when the air enters the pipe |
| 18:16.20 | elg | the little breathy sound at the beginning. the attack if you will |
| 18:16.48 | tensai | ~chiff elg |
| 18:16.49 | elg | in other words, you don't hear the beginning of a note, it's like putting another finger on the note already playing on the other keyboard |
| 18:16.59 | tensai | gotcha |
| 18:17.03 | elg | which would be bad in the melody |
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| 18:26.43 | levi | I wonder if there's been any measure of per-capita organ players by state. |
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| 18:27.08 | levi | I'd imagine that Utah would rank pretty high. |
| 18:27.19 | eggyknap | Heh... "rank"... Hehe :) |
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| 18:27.31 | eggyknap | slaps himself for bad puns and hides |
| 18:27.34 | fozzmoo_ | Except nobody in Utah wants anyone to know they can play organ. |
| 18:28.56 | elg | for some definition of organ player, it would |
| 18:28.57 | levi | eggyknap: That joke was pretty rank! |
| 18:29.16 | eggyknap | heh |
| 18:29.26 | elg | without trying to offend anyone, there are two kinds of organists: organists and pianist pretending to be organists |
| 18:29.49 | elg | most lds organists tend to be the latter, for the simple reason that they never asked to be an organist in the first place |
| 18:30.05 | elg | still, a pianist pretending to be an organist is more an organist than a pianist refusing to be an organist |
| 18:30.22 | levi | Indeed. |
| 18:30.48 | findlay | eggyknap: I rank your pun best so far today |
| 18:31.11 | elg | lots of other churches hire professional organists |
| 18:31.13 | tensai | these organ jokes blow |
| 18:31.18 | elg | otoh, they have huger congregations |
| 18:31.22 | jsmith | elg: Don't forget the third type... the type that can make *any* song sound like a funeral march |
| 18:31.26 | levi | Ooh, security vulnerabilities in vim. |
| 18:31.53 | elg | jsmith: heh. our chorister has one toe in the grave |
| 18:31.59 | jsmith | bellows at tensai |
| 18:32.04 | fozzmoo | Alert: Pressing 'd' may result in a loss of data. |
| 18:32.12 | findlay | elg: you mean 'music director' |
| 18:32.17 | elg | when she got called, she told me she likes to take things fast. I reassured her i did too. her version of fast isn't my version of fast |
| 18:32.25 | findlay | even Elder Oaks knows that :) |
| 18:32.36 | eggyknap | Ah, the continual battle between choristers and organists over speed... |
| 18:32.37 | goozbach | I laugh when I hear "In our lovely Deseret" at a REALLY..... SLOW...... TEMPO..... |
| 18:32.57 | tensai | one of my previous wards had a chorister who directed everything at half speed |
| 18:33.02 | jsmith | elg: I grew up in a little farming town in Wyoming... they called a 70-yr-old farmer (male!) to be the organist. His first order of business was to increase the tempo by about 30 beats per measure over the previous organist... Talk about a welcome relief! |
| 18:33.09 | elg | but she must have had extra bawls yesterday morning because she was actually going fast. faster than I started out (she also has the annoying habit of not standing up until I start playing, so I never know if she's ready or what speed she wants to go) |
| 18:33.18 | findlay | s/chorister/music director/g |
| 18:33.54 | elg | why? because the congregation isn't a choir? |
| 18:34.18 | elg | oxford sez: 2 a person who leads the singing of a church choir or congregation. |
| 18:34.30 | findlay | rolls his eyes |
| 18:34.31 | findlay | fine |
| 18:34.32 | elg | ~dict chorister |
| 18:34.33 | eggyknap | We just called ourselves a new chorister/director/whatever. He's very ... dramatic, but since he stands in such a way as to precisely block my view of his movements, it doesn't bother me much. |
| 18:34.45 | findlay | and you can go and say peeanist too |
| 18:34.48 | findlay | see if I care |
| 18:34.50 | elg | heh |
| 18:35.01 | elg | i love it when they stand on the other side of the room, as if that's going to help me see them better |
| 18:36.12 | eggyknap | the old one did stand on the other side of the room, which gave me just the right angle to have a moderate idea of what she was up to. This guy stands close, which means he's in my peripheral vision, and his back blocks the hand he conducts with. |
| 18:36.27 | jsmith | would much rather have a pianist that can play at a decent tempo than an organist that can't |
| 18:36.37 | levi | Amen to that. |
| 18:36.41 | eggyknap | But he's fun to watch if you're in the congregation. He likes to think someone's actually paying some attention to him. |
| 18:37.14 | elg | i'm not sure it's that the organist can't keep up, though some might be that way |
| 18:37.25 | levi | I used to love singing in sacrament meeting, but I just can't tolerate the extremely slow tempos anymore. |
| 18:37.44 | findlay | levi: amen to that |
| 18:37.46 | elg | usually it's just twisted idea of what the right tempo is |
| 18:38.04 | elg | like it's more reverent if it's slower |
| 18:38.25 | Jayce^ | is chorister :) thankfully our main organist is pretty quick |
| 18:38.34 | levi | Forget reverence, I need *something* to make it interesting or I'm going to fall asleep. |
| 18:38.38 | elg | or because the only organ music they've heard really is the 90 year old lady plodding along when they were growing up, and so when they hear organ sounds they subconsciously slow down |
| 18:39.10 | elg | i'm going to fall asleep anyway |
| 18:39.12 | levi | Church just has this profound soporific effect on me. |
| 18:39.19 | findlay | haha |
| 18:39.28 | eggyknap | has been known for ... startlingly energetic organ playing from time to time. |
| 18:39.54 | levi | I don't know what it is. Maybe long years of association of church with sleep. But I have the hardest time staying awake in any church environment. |
| 18:40.13 | eggyknap | I figure if I play loud enough, people might actually sing, and hymns are a singularly pleasant experience when the congregation participates to some degree. |
| 18:40.15 | levi | Early morning seminary was pretty solid training in that association. |
| 18:40.57 | levi | A lot of hymns are fairly musically dull, and playing them slowly doesn't help. |
| 18:41.40 | eggyknap | Whatsamatter, levi, sick of "sing four bars. Stop. Sing another four bars. Stop..." |
| 18:41.43 | eggyknap | :) |
| 18:42.15 | levi | I tend to like the ones that are classic hymns, repurposed folk tunes, or the occasional inspired LDS composer. |
| 18:42.34 | levi | And I mean 'inspired' musically, not spiritually. :) |
| 18:43.01 | eggyknap | takes issue with most recent LDS composers, most of the time, and knows what levi means. |
| 18:43.35 | elg | hear hear |
| 18:44.12 | eggyknap | It was interesting playing "Be Still My Soul" for an Estonian congregation once. The tune is that of the Finnish national anthem, and relations between Estonia and Finland are occasionally somewhat strained. But it's lovely music, and someone else (IIRC) requested it. |
| 18:44.16 | levi | There's something about the folk tunes, though. You know that they really communicate on a musical level, or else they wouldn't have survived as popular tunes. |
| 18:44.36 | elg | yeah |
| 18:44.54 | Sargun | enjoys /14 Ghosts II |
| 18:45.25 | elg | mack wilberg does really nice arrangements, but they sound distinctly mack wilberg (kind of like john williams), and I get tired of it all being the same |
| 18:46.11 | levi | Yeah, I know what you mean there. He's definitely got some skill, but also a rather heavy hand. |
| 18:46.20 | elg | and then there's the choir numbers that people do. there's just something about mass-market choral music (and it extends beyond lds authors). |
| 18:46.35 | eggyknap | I tend to like Mack Wilberg (though they're a bit monotonous).... but get sick of Craig Jessop's Variations On a Theme of Really Sappy. |
| 18:46.42 | jsmith | elg: Amen, brother elg |
| 18:47.11 | maquis | worst hymn experience ever: had a pianist in a byu ward who really struggled with playing at a reasonable pace |
| 18:47.14 | eggyknap | I would rather not hear MoTab singing "The Impossible Dream" or "Over the Rainbow" again, thanks, and if they even think of "Climb Every Mountain" I'll give 'em up entirely. |
| 18:47.14 | elg | there should be more attention paid to the masters. the ones that really knew what they were doing |
| 18:47.23 | maquis | how firm a foundation should not take > 3 minutes per verse |
| 18:47.32 | elg | unfortunately a lot of it is lyrically incompatible |
| 18:47.37 | maquis | how... firm... a...... found.. a... tion... |
| 18:47.38 | levi | I think this is related to the aversion I have to listening to Christmas music. |
| 18:48.08 | jsmith | maquis: Try "Battle Hymn of the Republic" as a funeral dirge |
| 18:48.15 | maquis | jsmith: yeah |
| 18:48.18 | elg | my rachmoninoff vespers cd will be waiting for me at home |
| 18:48.29 | elg | now that is choral music |
| 18:48.34 | maquis | on the other hand, i had a friend who could transpose keys while playing |
| 18:48.44 | elg | i love the mass-market choral music with organ accompinments |
| 18:48.50 | maquis | and our FHE group sang "there is sunshine in my soul today" in minor |
| 18:48.53 | maquis | which was entertaining |
| 18:48.56 | levi | There are definitely some Christmas songs I count among my all-time favorite pieces of music, but there's so much of it that is musically or lyrically garbage, and only gets played because of its association with Christmas. |
| 18:49.00 | elg | you can tell they have absolutely zero understanding of the organ as an instrument |
| 18:49.14 | eggyknap | particularly enjoys "Lead Kindly Light" and "I Need Thee Every Hour" sung simultaneously |
| 18:49.22 | maquis | levi: i really enjoy some christmas sons |
| 18:49.23 | maquis | er |
| 18:49.25 | maquis | songs |
| 18:49.31 | jsmith | eggyknap: I Need the Kindly Light? |
| 18:49.40 | jsmith | eggyknap: Lead Kindly Every Hour? |
| 18:49.40 | levi | maquis: I know, I think we've had a discussion about that before. :) |
| 18:49.43 | eggyknap | jsmith: something like that :) |
| 18:49.52 | levi | Old-school hymnal mashups! |
| 18:49.53 | maquis | :) |
| 18:50.03 | eggyknap | We've pulled it off in mission conferences and a fireside, but it's probably not sac. mtg. appropriate. |
| 18:50.05 | maquis | i think chiron beta prime is my current favorite christmas song :) |
| 18:50.23 | levi | If I'm forced to endure 'Christmas Shoes' every again, I might have to poke my eardrums out. |
| 18:50.31 | levi | s/every/ever/ |
| 18:51.12 | levi | Chiron Beta Prime is funny and musically inoffensive, but it holds no long-term appeal to me. |
| 18:51.28 | maquis | levi: it just fits nicely with how my christmas season is |
| 18:51.33 | maquis | that and "christmas at ground zero" |
| 18:52.55 | levi | I'd take Christmas at Ground Zero over Chiron Beta Prime any day. Maybe that's because of extended early childhood exposure to Weird Al, but he's good stuff to me. :) |
| 18:54.03 | ^Migs^ | http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/funny-pictures-kittens-lol-tetris.jpg |
| 18:54.40 | tensai | elg: I had to give up on the -rt kernel. my laptop won't suspend with it. |
| 18:54.44 | levi | Coulton is good, but he can't match the manic zaniness of Weird Al. And he doesn't have enough polka. |
| 18:55.17 | maquis | lol |
| 18:55.21 | maquis | coulton cracks me up |
| 18:55.29 | maquis | "your brains" is a good song |
| 19:02.06 | levi | Yeah, but did he do a song composed entirely of palindromes in the style of Bob Dylan? |
| 19:05.04 | maquis | lol |
| 19:05.26 | maquis | weird al did that? |
| 19:05.29 | maquis | what song was that? |
| 19:05.38 | maquis | (and why isn't palindrome a palindrome?) |
| 19:05.48 | levi | 'Bob', and it's got a video on YouTube if you want to hear/see it. |
| 19:06.08 | maquis | is the song one big palindrome? or is it just full of palindromes? |
| 19:06.33 | levi | Every lyric is a palindrome individually, it's not one big one. |
| 19:08.11 | goozbach | but you could play it once forward, and again backwards to make it one. |
| 19:10.04 | Tene | That reminds me of Songs To Wear Pants To. |
| 19:10.25 | Tene | http://www.songstowearpantsto.com/ |
| 19:26.53 | findlay | ~sing Tene |
| 19:27.46 | findlay | Tene: I think most music could be classified that way |
| 19:28.07 | maquis | notes that the dahl she made last night is spicier today than it was last night |
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| 19:35.35 | sinuhe | Tene: Songs To Wear Pants To reminds me of goozbach's pantz script. |
| 19:36.29 | goozbach | pants script |
| 19:36.39 | goozbach | now THAT was a fun script to write |
| 19:38.44 | sinuhe | goozbach: Apparently, a couple of the gurus were jealous that you taught my RH033/253 classes. You are missed. |
| 19:39.10 | sontek | goozbach: you know you want to go back to being a GURU |
| 19:39.21 | sinuhe | goozbach: You do. You really do. |
| 19:39.36 | goozbach | I do |
| 19:39.41 | goozbach | but my wife doesn't |
| 19:39.48 | goozbach | and I like being married |
| 19:39.50 | goozbach | :) |
| 19:40.09 | sinuhe | Most of us gurus are married, as you know. They get used to it. |
| 19:40.13 | levi | Heh. :) |
| 19:40.14 | sinuhe | Well, kind of. |
| 19:40.55 | goozbach | maybe I can get GL to use me as a "train the trainer" trip |
| 19:41.21 | sinuhe | goozbach: I told Bryan that you taught me the example of always working for GL for at least one RH300 per year. :-) |
| 19:41.21 | goozbach | I'll set up shop here in ATL and they'll send out their new instructors to be trained by the goozbach |
| 19:41.50 | maquis | notes that listening to the wife is usually a good idea |
| 19:42.05 | goozbach | maquis: your opinion is tainted, you don't count |
| 19:42.25 | sinuhe | notes to maquis that many a bruised shoulder makes this a constant reminder. :-) |
| 19:42.30 | maquis | and everyone else's isn't? |
| 19:43.47 | sinuhe | dives into the lost art of RCS, ducks from sjansen's sudden onslaught against calling RCS an art. |
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| 19:49.02 | findlay | haha |
| 19:49.21 | sontek | goozbach: if I fly out to Atlanta will you train me?! I'm not a Guru by I like to get my learn on! |
| 19:49.38 | findlay | ~train sontek |
| 19:49.50 | elg | tensai et al, http://hans.fugal.net/phd/organ.html |
| 19:49.55 | brac | [Organ Registration Detective] |
| 19:49.58 | elg | if anything doesn't make sense... |
| 19:50.39 | goozbach | sontek: sure |
| 19:50.45 | goozbach | it'd have to be after hours |
| 19:51.07 | findlay | $1000 to SF and back |
| 19:51.15 | findlay | if you fly |
| 19:51.23 | goozbach | you'd have to pay for the materials, classroom, airfare, and my time. |
| 19:52.13 | eggyknap | elg: you're only terribly interested in stuff with pipes in it? |
| 19:52.19 | eggyknap | is reading http://hans.fugal.net/phd/index.html |
| 19:52.22 | brac | [Organ Registration Detective] |
| 19:52.28 | elg | or stuff that is imitating something with pipes in it |
| 19:52.40 | elg | e.g. any organ, really. but not hammond organs |
| 19:52.52 | eggyknap | I've access to a nice Rodgers electronic. |
| 19:52.59 | elg | yeah, that'd be good |
| 19:53.09 | eggyknap | I'll see what I can do. |
| 19:53.16 | levi | I like hammond organs. |
| 19:53.25 | eggyknap | blech. |
| 19:53.39 | elg | you're entitled to that opinion. ;-) but they really are a different beast |
| 19:53.42 | levi | Not for organ music, though. |
| 19:53.45 | elg | a cousin to the pipe organ |
| 19:55.42 | eggyknap | In a Paris subway station I once heard a guy playing organ music on a button box, and it was absolutely amazing. It sounded like it was coming from a (reedy) organ. |
| 19:56.50 | eggyknap | I gave him 10 francs, which is easily the most I ever gave a street musician (the banjo player transplanted from somewhere down south playing on the train into St. Lazarre only got 5F) |
| 19:59.30 | levi | Hammond organs FTW in rock/blues music. |
| 20:00.57 | eggyknap | I'll concede that one. |
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| 20:02.58 | levi | http://youtube.com/watch?v=jejadhR_m9w |
| 20:07.14 | levi | Hammonds played through a Marshall stack sound pretty nifty. |
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| 20:14.16 | sjansen | http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/funny-pictures-kitten-cage-has-lawyer.jpg |
| 20:22.45 | tensai | elg: neato. I'm willing to record some samples for you from my church organ. just let me know the procedure. |
| 20:25.00 | Jayce^ | sjansen, one of my fav's was http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/funny-pictures-cat-in-time-out.jpg |
| 20:25.06 | Jayce^ | looks an awful lot like my cat |
| 20:26.40 | eggyknap | giggles |
| 20:27.26 | eggyknap | There's a special place in my heart for lolcats, primarily because of involvement with http://pgfoundry.org/projects/pllolcode/ |
| 20:27.55 | Jayce^ | eggyknap, I had to laugh after discussing that at the mysql meeting :) |
| 20:28.19 | eggyknap | heh :) |
| 20:29.05 | eggyknap | I had to post a comment to Jay Pipes' blog apologizing somewhat for the snarky MyISAM comments after that. He handled our heckling extremely well. |
| 20:29.42 | sjansen | There was heckling of a MySQL developer? And I missed it?! |
| 20:30.48 | eggyknap | May's (?) PLUG meeting had a distinguished MySQL visitor, and a few PostgreSQL-ers to give him a hard time. |
| 20:31.43 | Jayce^ | sjansen, you totally should have been there with us |
| 20:32.30 | sjansen | Oh well, at least MySQL has a mostly decent product. |
| 20:33.05 | sjansen | Jayce^: Promise me, if we ever have anyone from CA scheduled, give me enough warning to plot my revenge. |
| 20:33.26 | maquis | one of the guys at work was trying to convince me that mysql is much better for systems that need to be able to scale, compared to pgsql |
| 20:33.40 | maquis | sjansen: CA? |
| 20:33.48 | findlay | computer associates |
| 20:33.58 | maquis | which is? |
| 20:34.02 | eggyknap | maquis: wtf? |
| 20:34.25 | maquis | eggyknap: i'm not making an association with any systems i've ever used |
| 20:34.35 | maquis | which, judging from sjansen's comments, might be a good thing |
| 20:34.42 | elg | maquis: CA make the most evil software evar |
| 20:34.51 | maquis | elg: can you give an example? |
| 20:34.58 | Sargun | Computer associates! |
| 20:34.58 | elg | no, i blocked it out |
| 20:35.00 | findlay | notepad? :) |
| 20:35.03 | Sargun | Everyone loves them |
| 20:35.17 | elg | i have vague memories of hating them from my caedm days |
| 20:35.27 | elg | luckily i didn't have the exposure sjansen did, or I might have turned out more like him |
| 20:36.08 | maquis | at least one product name would be useful for determining whether i've blocked it out, or if i'm just insanely lucky |
| 20:36.24 | elg | ~lart sjansen |
| 20:36.24 | ibot | puts sjansen through a wood chipper |
| 20:36.37 | eggyknap | tries to remember if the monitoring software Hill AFB is going to force him to use is made by CA... |
| 20:36.40 | ^Migs^ | hahahahaha |
| 20:36.41 | ^Migs^ | "What if God's a woman? Not only am I going to hell, I'll never know why." |
| 20:37.05 | maquis | ]~lart ^Migs^ |
| 20:37.08 | maquis | doh |
| 20:37.12 | maquis | ~lart ^Migs^ |
| 20:37.12 | ibot | raises middle finger to ^Migs^ |
| 20:37.22 | ^Migs^ | hahahaha |
| 20:37.36 | elg | anything that ends in IT |
| 20:37.40 | Jayce^ | should we give maquis a warning :-p |
| 20:37.43 | findlay | ~hahahaha |
| 20:37.43 | ibot | [hahahaha] ahahahah |
| 20:38.01 | elg | we used some kind of backup software. Archive IT or Backup IT or something like that |
| 20:38.05 | sjansen | Or starts with Uni. |
| 20:38.07 | elg | Hate IT |
| 20:38.20 | maquis | elg: sounds like i've been insanely lucky |
| 20:38.24 | maquis | Jayce^: i didn't do it |
| 20:38.28 | maquis | ibot did it |
| 20:39.26 | Jayce^ | suuure, blame the bot |
| 20:39.40 | sjansen | RouteY's help desk was based on Unicenter Advanced Help Desk. I had the misfortune of customizing it. Advanced it was not. |
| 20:39.58 | *** mode/#utah [+o maquis] by ChanServ |
| 20:40.11 | maquis | feels a little more safe |
| 20:40.28 | findlay | ~hug maquis |
| 20:40.28 | ibot | ACTION hugs maquis |
| 20:40.33 | findlay | that better? |
| 20:40.42 | maquis | findlay: thanks |
| 20:40.57 | maquis | waits for someone to post on escaping reality |
| 20:41.02 | sjansen | I'm sure it was advanced in 1997 or so when it was created and no one know how to write a decent Web app. True to form, CA bought what might have once been a decent product, invested nothing in improving it, just milked it for all it was worth at the expense of their victims^wcustomers. |
| 20:41.17 | findlay | maquis: now you're not going to flip out when I start ranting about girls? :) |
| 20:41.29 | maquis | findlay: depends on the rant |
| 20:41.50 | sjansen | A fish needs a girl like a man needs a bicycle? |
| 20:42.07 | nick125 | w00t, 63% of the visitors to my site in the last week are Linux users \o/ |
| 20:42.19 | Heartsbane | sjansen: what? |
| 20:42.33 | maquis | writes a win-bot to ddos nick125's site |
| 20:42.49 | sjansen | I am he-man here me whimper? |
| 20:43.02 | maquis | wow... this is the lamest commercial |
| 20:43.06 | Heartsbane | s/here/hear/g |
| 20:44.00 | findlay | maquis: no girls like me. I'm either too intellectual for them or not witty enough |
| 20:44.03 | nick125 | maquis: noooo |
| 20:44.18 | nick125 | findlay: You can find ways to fix both of those! |
| 20:46.14 | maquis | findlay: try to meet some geek girls? |
| 20:46.45 | findlay | maquis: I've already met all there are in Utah |
| 20:47.15 | findlay | all 5 of them |
| 20:47.30 | maquis | hmmm |
| 20:47.33 | maquis | go to a different state? |
| 20:47.42 | findlay | but you're right, that way lies promise |
| 20:48.07 | maquis | try... someplace like california |
| 20:48.30 | eggyknap | knows a few people who actually did marry the first girl they met at BYU. |
| 20:49.25 | levi | Mmm, lime-flavored chocolate. |
| 20:49.41 | maquis | eggyknap: the question is... how long after meeting them did they marry them? |
| 20:50.00 | findlay | and how many are still married? |
| 20:50.52 | eggyknap | The ones I can think of took a decent amount of time deciding that they really did want to marry this person, and have stayed attached. |
| 20:52.45 | Sargun | 0 |
| 20:53.31 | findlay | 1 |
| 20:57.52 | sjansen | s/Heartsbane/LiteralistCommiSpellingNazi/ |
| 20:58.58 | synic | had to bring out the commi, didn't you |
| 21:00.04 | goozbach | my nomination for "The coolest thing EVAR!": http://www.thinkgeek.com/homeoffice/kitchen/a1aa/ |
| 21:00.08 | brac | [ThinkGeek :: All Edges Brownie Pan] |
| 21:11.12 | sjansen | goozbach: No man, brownies are all about the gooey center, not the crust. |
| 21:11.56 | encryptz | depends if you want fudge-like or cake-like |
| 21:12.10 | sjansen | Cake like is an abomination. |
| 21:12.36 | sjansen | If you want cake, eat cake. If you want a brownie, you're smart. |
| 21:12.57 | encryptz | no way man. cake-like with vanilla bean ice cream, and hot fugde syrup is supreme |
| 21:13.11 | sjansen | But it's not a brownie. |
| 21:13.23 | sjansen | Brownies are fudgey. Cakes are cakey. |
| 21:13.24 | encryptz | yes it is, it's just no fudge |
| 21:13.54 | findlay | ~let sjansen eat cake |
| 21:14.01 | encryptz | brownies are like lvm. they are flexible |
| 21:14.10 | levi | Fudge is fudgey, cake is cakey, and brownies fill the continuum between them. |
| 21:14.45 | sjansen | Okay, how about this. We can both agree that a well made German Chocolate Cake is wonderful. |
| 21:14.55 | sjansen | ? |
| 21:15.09 | findlay | wow, look at that over there! |
| 21:15.17 | encryptz | ok |
| 21:15.18 | findlay | steals sjansen's cake |
| 21:15.35 | encryptz | german chocolate cake is good |
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| 21:36.16 | elg | tensai, eggyknap: http://hans.fugal.net/phd/data.html |
| 21:36.18 | brac | [Organ Registration Detective] |
| 21:38.22 | tensai | elg: I'll warn you that my recording equipment ain't fancy |
| 21:38.32 | elg | understood |
| 21:39.28 | eggyknap | elg: noted. Thx |
| 21:39.37 | elg | thank *you* |
| 21:39.47 | eggyknap | Thank me when I remember to record something, not before :) |
| 21:40.34 | elg | -help remind |
| 21:40.34 | brac | reminder plugin: remind <who> [about] <message> in <time>, remind <who> [about] <message> every <time>, remind <who> [about] <message> at <time>, remind <who> no more [about] <message>, remind <who> no more. Generally <who> should be 'me', but you can remind others (nick or channel) if you have remind_others auth |
| 21:40.47 | elg | -remind eggyknap every week about recording organ stops |
| 21:40.47 | brac | incorrect usage, ask for help using 'brac: help remind' |
| 21:41.06 | elg | -remind eggyknap about organ stops every week |
| 21:41.06 | brac | incorrect usage: couldn't parse that time string (week) :( |
| 21:41.16 | elg | -remind eggyknap about organ stops every day |
| 21:41.16 | brac | can do! |
| 21:41.41 | eggyknap | <sarcasm>goodie...</sarcasm> |
| 21:41.43 | eggyknap | :) |
| 21:42.00 | elg | -remind sjansen to write CGI in C every hour |
| 21:42.01 | brac | incorrect usage: couldn't parse that time string (C every hour) :( |
| 21:42.15 | elg | remind sjansen about write CGI in C every hour |
| 21:42.30 | elg | -remind sjansen about C CGI every hour |
| 21:42.30 | brac | aight |
| 21:42.32 | sinuhe | I have a friend who writes CGI in C. Kinda scary |
| 21:44.31 | findlay | ~scare sinuhe |
| 21:44.32 | ibot | ACTION puts on a hockey mask and jumps out at sinuhe |
| 21:44.32 | eggyknap | lol: http://www.grimmy.com/images/MGG_Archive/MGG_2008/MGG0615.gif |
| 21:45.21 | levi | sinuhe: I wrote a simple HTTP 1.0 server with an integrated web app in C. |
| 21:45.56 | sinuhe | findlay: Oh my |
| 21:46.04 | sinuhe | s/findlay/eggyknap/ |
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| 21:46.21 | sinuhe | levi: Well *that's* different. |
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| 21:47.18 | sinuhe | Writing CGI in C sounds like take a chain saw to get rid of a twig. I can see it when you have a jail server for some more advanced tasks, but it's just craziness otherwise. |
| 21:47.23 | sinuhe | s/take/taking/ |
| 21:48.30 | levi | Depends on what tools you've got available. |
| 21:49.05 | levi | But in general, I don't recommend writing anything in C. |
| 21:49.07 | sinuhe | levi: Hence my jail comment |
| 21:49.28 | tensai | elg: since I basically have no organ expertise, is it still useful to you for me to play pieces arranged for piano? or should I just stick to scales? |
| 21:49.31 | sinuhe | I usually recommend not writing things in C++ or Java. C has its uses in certain circumstances. |
| 21:49.47 | elg | tensai: yes, still very useful. |
| 21:49.51 | levi | I wrote my crazy thing for an embedded system, and it was only demo code. |
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| 21:57.57 | goozbach | sjansen: perhaps then, we need a comprimise: |
| 21:58.07 | Sargun | levi, what crazy thing? |
| 21:58.09 | goozbach | a ring-style pan |
| 21:58.30 | Sargun | sinuhe, I have written CGI in C before |
| 21:58.33 | Sargun | It was for a performance contest. |
| 21:58.37 | goozbach | you get your gooey center, I get my edges everywhere |
| 21:58.56 | sjansen | goozbach: sold |
| 21:59.21 | sjansen | But understand, this doesn't change anything. I'm still right and you're still wrong. |
| 22:02.13 | Tene | I've written a simple http server in bash with netcat before. I don't remember why, though. |
| 22:02.53 | findlay | to serve up bash cats? |
| 22:02.59 | nick125 | hahah |
| 22:03.25 | findlay | are those the wrappers of the lol world? |
| 22:03.30 | findlay | rappers, whatever |
| 22:08.11 | tensai | elg: what sort of gear will you be using to make recordings? |
| 22:08.56 | elg | my laptop and probably one of these: http://www.mxl-usb.com/990_USB/990_USB.htm |
| 22:09.57 | findlay | elg: are you only interested in real pipe organs? |
| 22:10.11 | elg | no, i'll take recordings of any type |
| 22:10.24 | elg | i'll probably only be going to real pipe organs when I'm in utah though |
| 22:10.39 | elg | let's say, if it sounds recognizably like a real pipe organ i'm interested |
| 22:11.11 | elg | i know our ward organ is pretty marginal in that respect, but even i would have to admit it's recognizably like a real organ |
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