| 00:21.40 | Tene | http://www.dieselsweeties.com/shirts/planetlunch/ |
| 00:21.42 | brac | [diesel sweeties: indie t-shirts (AKA tshirts)] |
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| 00:24.31 | Tene | http://use.perl.org/~JonathanWorthington/journal/36677 -- Perl 6 on Parrot is making significant progress. |
| 00:25.14 | sontek | tell JW to finish CLI -> Parrot! |
| 00:54.25 | bbeattie | Apparently Ubuntu is too good for an inittab? :) Anyone know where the boot control is in ubuntu? I need to run a proc setting prior to the fstab being executed... |
| 00:56.59 | sontek | bbeattie: look in /etc/event.d or something like that |
| 00:57.18 | sontek | bbeattie: they use upstart for booting |
| 00:57.41 | sontek | bbeattie: June 14th ubuntu utah is actually having a meeting on upstart :) |
| 01:03.18 | bbeattie | k |
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| 01:06.52 | bbeattie | those event.d scripts all get run after the fstab tab is run |
| 01:20.25 | herlo | Utah Python Meeting streaming at http://stream.utos.org |
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| 02:11.09 | levi | Gah, blackboard at uvsc is painfully slow for me tonight. |
| 02:12.09 | linuxalien | maybe it needs more gas? |
| 02:12.38 | levi | Needs a turbo! |
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| 03:14.32 | levi | So, I have a whole bunch of vanilla beans now. I need to figure out something fun to do with them. |
| 03:16.29 | jsmith | levi: Make some wasabi-and-vanilla ice cream to go in your gazpacho |
| 03:20.45 | levi | There will be no wasabi tainting my vanilla ice cream. |
| 03:20.56 | levi | Nor will it go anywhere near gazpacho |
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| 03:22.01 | jsmith | levi: Your loss! |
| 03:22.19 | jsmith | levi: I never would have believed how good it could be until I tried it myself |
| 03:22.50 | tensai | I've got a couple vanilla beans I need to turn into icream too |
| 03:23.03 | tensai | ~anvil jsmith |
| 03:23.24 | jsmith | ~zap tensai |
| 03:23.25 | ibot | ACTION takes out a cattle prod and gives tensai a good jolt. |
| 03:23.27 | tensai | ~anvil $jsmith is <action> drops an anvil on $jsmith's head |
| 03:23.28 | ibot | okay, tensai |
| 03:23.43 | jsmith | ~stuff tensai |
| 03:23.44 | ibot | ACTION grab's tensai, fills them up with stuffing, and sticks them in the oven |
| 03:23.49 | tensai | ~stick jsmith |
| 03:23.59 | jsmith | ~fry tensai |
| 03:23.59 | ibot | ACTION grabs tensai and fries him on his BFCooker9000 |
| 03:24.00 | tensai | ~cow jsmith |
| 03:24.01 | ibot | ACTION moos at jsmith |
| 03:24.07 | tensai | ha! top that. |
| 03:24.14 | jsmith | ~whaleslap tensai |
| 03:24.15 | ibot | ACTION beats tensai upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 03:24.45 | tensai | I've never understood why the whale's name is hugh |
| 03:25.16 | tensai | ~frogslap $jsmith is <action> gives $jsmith a good french kiss |
| 03:25.17 | ibot | okay, tensai |
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| 03:26.17 | jsmith | ~buy tensai donut |
| 03:26.17 | ibot | ACTION goes to S-Mart and gets a dozen donuts for tensai |
| 03:28.51 | nick125 | mmm |
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| 04:02.54 | levi | So, my wife bought this 'Utah Truffle Bar' that was really tasty. |
| 04:03.06 | levi | I'd recommend them to anyone who runs across them. |
| 04:06.20 | levi | Anyway, so I'm looking into books on child development and education, and it's kind of frustrating that all the primary sources I've got leads on are from the early to mid 70s, and I'm not sure where to find how the ideas of those authors have since been critiqued and/or built upon. |
| 04:13.14 | levi | I'll probably have better luck browsing in a good library. :/ |
| 04:31.25 | elg | google scholar maybe? but finding the papers might be difficult. it depends, some disciplines have lots of freely-available PDFs and some are almost exclusively pay-per-view |
| 04:42.41 | Supaplex | -excuse |
| 04:42.41 | brac | Sysadmins busy fighting SPAM. |
| 04:43.06 | encryptz | my code is compiling |
| 04:47.39 | levi | elg: I don't really want papers... they're likely to be too jargony for my current level of understanding of the field. I'd like books from secondary sources at the literature review level. I just have no idea how to find such books. |
| 04:48.25 | levi | And I could have sworn that I found a free ebook of Papert's book 'Mindstorms', but I can't find it anymore. |
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| 05:04.17 | levi | Maybe I downloaded it to my Linux Networx workstation and forgot about it there. :/ |
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| 05:22.03 | lakshmi | hi |
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| 12:40.00 | Sargun_screen | hey |
| 13:16.49 | Sargun_screen | Violence is a sword that has no handle -- you have to hold the blade. |
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| 14:20.57 | elg | -chat did you |
| 14:20.57 | brac | did you try to open a svg image in the extended super-size no-questions-asked warranty!!! |
| 14:21.12 | elg | gosh, i hope not |
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| 15:19.23 | levi | The Constitution Party? Now those are a bunch of crazies. :P |
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| 15:33.00 | unum | I'm afraid I'm actually a supporter of the reserve program |
| 15:33.16 | unum | now if only we had a president that would listen to the head of the reserve |
| 15:33.30 | unum | my linode account cpu has been pegged at 100% for 6 hours |
| 15:33.39 | unum | I think that's a bad thing |
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| 16:09.33 | Jayce^ | levi :) |
| 16:19.44 | levi | I have some sympathy for Libertarians, as kooky as they are, but Constitution Party folks clearly come from a parallel universe. |
| 16:22.08 | sjansen | So it turns out that if a deer wanders close to the interstate, official wildlife control policy is to do nothing. |
| 16:27.00 | levi | sjansen: What were you expecting? |
| 16:27.18 | unum | levi: I'm with you on that |
| 16:27.22 | sjansen | Any other animal they would dart and remove. |
| 16:27.49 | levi | Well, they'd need a much bigger budget to dart and remove all the deer. |
| 16:28.10 | unum | the people who I think are really nuts are the ones who want to go back to the original document |
| 16:28.27 | elg | the deer document? |
| 16:28.28 | Jayce^ | yeah, I mean who would want that :) |
| 16:28.46 | levi | unum: You mean, before amendments? |
| 16:28.52 | unum | levi: ya |
| 16:29.06 | levi | Clearly the amendments just screwed it up! |
| 16:29.35 | levi | If we could start over, we could re-amend it with a much more Christian agenda. |
| 16:29.36 | unum | that'd be sweet. we'd obamma as president and mccain as veep, or vice versa |
| 16:29.47 | Jayce^ | actually, most are fine with *ammendments*, just not legislation that goes against any item in it |
| 16:29.52 | unum | and how many reps would we have in the house? |
| 16:29.55 | sjansen | Actually, it's because other animals can be woken up, whereas deer tend to die. Deer are also too unpredictable. If they tried to approach the deer and it darted into traffic, they'd be liable. |
| 16:30.05 | sjansen | Apparently if they do nothing, they're not liable. |
| 16:30.13 | levi | Well, that makes sense. |
| 16:30.57 | Jayce^ | sjansen, it's just isolationism :-p |
| 16:31.55 | sjansen | I say "If darted deer die, screw the deer." I'd rather see the untimely removal of a deer than a 20 car pile up because someone hit a deer at 75 mph. |
| 16:32.37 | levi | It's not like we don't allow people to kill deer at other times. |
| 16:32.45 | Jayce^ | darted deer == venison :) |
| 16:32.59 | Jayce^ | levi, but then people would put salt licks by the freeway :) |
| 16:33.19 | Jayce^ | of course, it's easier to get your CCP in UT than it is to get a deer tag + license |
| 16:33.21 | levi | You'd have to be able to dart those people, too. :P |
| 16:33.31 | Jayce^ | levi, ok, you sold me on it :) |
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| 17:15.28 | sjansen | http://shop.fsf.org/product/blue-suede-gnu-art-print/ |
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| 17:24.22 | maquis | http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/06/hans-reiser-off.html |
| 17:25.34 | maquis | kinda hard for him to claim that he is actually innocent when he offers to provide the body... |
| 17:27.08 | jsmith | Well, not necessarily, but yeah... looks bad, doesn't it |
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| 17:27.51 | jsmith | maquis: Of course, the whole case has been creepy... "It wasn't me... it way my friend that seduced her, and he's already admitted to killing eight other people, but not her" |
| 17:48.39 | Jayce^ | elg, you should also use ACT! (I've had that recommended from many dentists) one fo the few OTC mouthwashes with flouride |
| 17:48.53 | neybar | does anyone know of a restaurant in the area that sells fresh ramen? |
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| 17:52.14 | fozzmoo | Tene: ping |
| 17:53.10 | Tene | fozzmoo: pong |
| 17:54.05 | Tene | Suuuure, just ping me and then disappear. |
| 17:56.38 | fozzmoo | uh huh |
| 18:02.01 | Jayce^ | neybar, Smiths, 10 for a dollar? :-D |
| 18:02.22 | neybar | notice the word "fresh"... |
| 18:09.24 | findlay | sounds like neybar's in the throes of some crazy food experiment |
| 18:14.59 | neybar | Mostly I would like to try some restauant style ramen so that I have a point of reference. |
| 18:19.47 | findlay | sweet, I got $21 for scrapping my old transmission |
| 18:19.56 | findlay | what should I do with it? |
| 18:20.34 | goozbach | downside to working at home on a friday |
| 18:20.41 | goozbach | frozen burrito |
| 18:20.58 | findlay | goozbach: I'll buy you dinner, man |
| 18:21.21 | goozbach | don't bother, I'm going out with the wifey later |
| 18:21.29 | goozbach | I'm just used to free lunch on friday |
| 18:21.33 | goozbach | EVERY WEEK |
| 18:21.37 | goozbach | I lov emy job |
| 18:21.38 | findlay | where do you get one of those? |
| 18:21.59 | goozbach | findlay: come be my junior admin. |
| 18:22.06 | goozbach | just have to move to Atlanta |
| 18:22.20 | findlay | are there wives available in Atlanta? |
| 18:22.30 | goozbach | ohh wives |
| 18:22.41 | goozbach | perhaps, the singles ward is AWESOME here |
| 18:22.42 | findlay | but, the Atlanta symphony, how are they lately? |
| 18:22.56 | goozbach | but not as AWESOME as the Tallahassee ward |
| 18:23.08 | goozbach | you should move to Tallahassee Florida |
| 18:23.39 | findlay | is it Florid there? |
| 18:24.21 | jsmith | findlay: No, but the romances are torrid, if you ask goozbach |
| 18:25.13 | findlay | haha |
| 18:25.15 | eggyknap | ...Building Relationships of Tryst... |
| 18:25.36 | unum | I'm having trouble understanding how perl IO:Poll works |
| 18:25.40 | unum | has anyone used it |
| 18:25.49 | maquis | neybar: fresh ramen? |
| 18:27.00 | findlay | neybar: there's a Chinese food store on University by main street in Provo |
| 18:27.16 | maquis | findlay: are you thinking of Chao's? (i think that's what it's called) |
| 18:27.26 | maquis | it's a pretty nice little place, but they don't have much food |
| 18:27.27 | findlay | maquis: that might be it |
| 18:27.58 | maquis | they do sell brushes and ink, though |
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| 19:24.41 | Tene | ARGH. My glasses are giving me a headache. |
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| 19:31.56 | encryptz | so, i've nailed down the culprit of the sinusoidal networking |
| 19:32.15 | encryptz | it's a trendnet teg-S224 gigabit switch |
| 19:32.29 | encryptz | i don't know what it's doing, but i know it's doing it |
| 19:32.50 | Tene | sinusoidal networking? |
| 19:33.23 | fozzmoo | It means it makes his nose run. |
| 19:33.25 | encryptz | Tene: http://aarontoponce.org/system.png <-- found that at the tc. we assumed some sort of rate limiting |
| 19:34.09 | encryptz | if i bypass the switch, it's not present |
| 19:34.09 | Tene | heh, awesome |
| 19:35.34 | jsmith | Wow... |
| 19:35.48 | jsmith | that's uh... well... totally made out of FAIL |
| 19:35.57 | encryptz | EPIC FAIL |
| 19:36.39 | encryptz | odd, eh? |
| 19:43.19 | Tene | encryptz: check the error rates in ifconfig |
| 19:44.20 | encryptz | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:44.32 | Tene | encryptz: see if it stays if you force your link to 10M |
| 19:45.13 | encryptz | 100Mb/s |
| 19:45.30 | Tene | encryptz: try a flood ping, see if it's dropping packets. |
| 19:46.03 | encryptz | not sure i want to do that *quite* yet |
| 19:46.10 | encryptz | gimme about 30min on that |
| 19:46.22 | Tene | encryptz: use ethtool to force your link to run at 10M and see what happens. |
| 19:48.20 | encryptz | i think networkmanager is bringing me back up to 100 |
| 19:48.46 | maquis | wants to write |
| 19:48.59 | findlay | so, write? |
| 19:49.34 | encryptz | however, the brief |
| 19:49.39 | levi | maquis: What do you want to write? |
| 19:49.55 | encryptz | however, the brief time that it's communicating, no sinusoidal behavior |
| 19:49.55 | findlay | -chat |
| 19:50.00 | brac | I think it was a political argument, fozzmoo. |
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| 19:54.11 | Tene | encryptz: what training center is that? |
| 19:54.18 | encryptz | denver |
| 19:54.52 | Tene | What company? |
| 19:54.58 | encryptz | ameriteach |
| 19:55.08 | encryptz | in greenwood village |
| 19:58.30 | maquis | levi: dunno |
| 19:58.37 | findlay | -chat write |
| 19:58.38 | brac | write is null? |
| 19:58.40 | maquis | levi: i've started getting interested in fiction-writing, although i stink at it |
| 19:58.50 | maquis | it's just very interesting to me |
| 19:59.13 | maquis | i'd started getting interested in it about 2 months ago |
| 19:59.26 | maquis | and then i started playing with fountain pens |
| 19:59.27 | maquis | etc |
| 19:59.28 | levi | Enh, just wait a while, it'll pass. ;) |
| 19:59.32 | Tene | Huh. Looking at my commit history, it looks like I've spent the spare time of about 2-3 weeks working on this ruby compiler for parrot. |
| 19:59.58 | maquis | levi: dunno |
| 20:00.02 | maquis | i'm doing it more than i used to |
| 20:00.05 | maquis | i wish i was better at it |
| 20:00.12 | maquis | but anyway, i have to head to a meeting |
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| 20:01.41 | findlay | Tene: you have commnit access to parrot? Can you fix all my perl issues for the next perl release? kthxbye |
| 20:02.31 | mrpull_ | what ftpd is the default in rhel/centos 5? |
| 20:02.38 | encryptz | vsftpd |
| 20:03.20 | Tene | findlay: Perl 5? Perl 5 isn't part of the parrot tree. What perl issues are you referring to? |
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| 20:04.04 | findlay | you know |
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| 20:04.15 | findlay | it's just hard sometimes |
| 20:04.32 | Tene | Huh? |
| 20:04.35 | findlay | like, sometimes I have to think carefully before writing code |
| 20:04.49 | Tene | Oh, trolling! Okay. |
| 20:04.55 | findlay | whereas why can't I not think at all, like typing on IRC? |
| 20:05.40 | findlay | ~troll findlay |
| 20:05.41 | ibot | ACTION hereby declares findlay a troll |
| 20:06.29 | Tene | findlay: you should try scheme. I hear it works well for what you want. |
| 20:06.43 | findlay | haha |
| 20:07.24 | findlay | Tene: I was talking with one of the gnucash devs once. He seemed to have a different opinion |
| 20:10.30 | Tene | nah, he was just pretentious. |
| 20:10.43 | sjansen | Nah, man, Haskell is where it's at. |
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| 20:11.16 | sjansen | How many other languages were specifically created to explore the implications of being lazy? |
| 20:11.25 | findlay | lolcats |
| 20:11.33 | levi | findlay: Gee, a C programmer that doesn't like Scheme? I've never seen one of those before. |
| 20:11.58 | findlay | levi: his specific complaint was that it was hard to debug |
| 20:12.44 | levi | I.e., he didn't know how to debug it, or perhaps Guile just isn't a very good Scheme. |
| 20:13.04 | sjansen | Just to be clear, gnucash uses gnu scheme which I've never heard to be a great implementation. |
| 20:14.05 | findlay | levi: you're soo non-mainstream. All the cool kids have VS#.NET-9.0 2008 |
| 20:14.33 | levi | Few people actually use it out of choice anymore. I suspect most of them only do so because it's an RMS pet project and they worship him or something. |
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| 20:26.27 | Tene | http://www.hackaday.com/2008/06/13/magnetically-actuated-microbots/ |
| 20:26.28 | brac | [Magnetically actuated microbots - Hack a Day] |
| 20:27.00 | elg | Jayce^: maybe i should |
| 20:31.28 | bbeattie | can someone recommend a tool/tools for doing something like network mirroring? I'm looking for fairly quick notice and transfer of files (few seconds) rsync would be fine if it were able to have no less than 15 second between checks/syncs |
| 20:32.00 | bbeattie | (I'd like to mirror my video surveillance to another box) |
| 20:32.20 | findlay | maybe you can wrap rsync in a daemon? |
| 20:33.41 | fozzmoo | drbd |
| 20:33.51 | bbeattie | rsync in daemon mode doesn't do multiple/per minute checks correct? |
| 20:33.56 | fozzmoo | Otherwise, yeah. rsync in a cronjob. |
| 20:34.22 | findlay | well, cron doesn't |
| 20:34.38 | findlay | but you could write a simple daemon, I think |
| 20:34.49 | findlay | that polls as often as you need |
| 20:35.10 | findlay | maybe there's a hypercron or something |
| 20:35.14 | findlay | cronhires |
| 20:35.16 | findlay | :) |
| 20:37.14 | bbeattie | hmm, drbd would be nice, but that won't do just a specific directory.. |
| 20:45.37 | mrpull_ | rather than cron, could you use inotify (or similar) only run rsync when you needed it? |
| 20:48.05 | bbeattie | inotify, is that one of novells products? |
| 20:48.07 | mrpull_ | (actually, i was thinking of fam rather than inotify) |
| 20:50.14 | mrpull_ | inotify is a filesystem event monitor... it's closer to the kernel than i first remembered |
| 20:50.38 | bbeattie | doesn't appear to be in any of ubnutu's lists, inotail is |
| 20:51.55 | bbeattie | bah, 8.4 does, 7.10 doesn't |
| 20:52.08 | mrpull_ | http://inotify-tools.sourceforge.net/ has an example for using inotify with rsync |
| 20:52.10 | bbeattie | :) |
| 20:52.14 | brac | [inotify-tools] |
| 20:52.15 | bbeattie | thanks |
| 21:02.14 | nick125 | yawns |
| 21:04.15 | bbeattie | btw, fatpipe is looking for C/socket programmers if anyone know someone looking for work. |
| 21:04.26 | bbeattie | head hunter just called me |
| 21:05.34 | levi | Where's fatpipe located? |
| 21:05.44 | bbeattie | salt lake |
| 21:05.55 | bbeattie | I think they have a few places, one is off of 700 and 4500 south |
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| 21:06.07 | levi | Huh. Not really interested. |
| 21:06.48 | bbeattie | I think everyone here has a job they like now anyway, but just in case someone knows someone who's looking |
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| 21:08.14 | unum | that's a nice location :) |
| 21:08.26 | unum | but they probably want some experience |
| 21:08.51 | fozzmoo | Hmm. I have a job I don't like... |
| 21:08.55 | fozzmoo | but I'mnot looking. |
| 21:08.58 | fozzmoo | :-/ |
| 21:09.30 | maquis | fozzmoo: if you have a job you don't like, why are you not looking? |
| 21:09.52 | fozzmoo | maquis: Well, one reason is because I signed some papers... |
| 21:09.57 | maquis | oh |
| 21:10.06 | maquis | is utah not "at will" employment? |
| 21:10.19 | findlay | fozzmoo: lame |
| 21:10.51 | fozzmoo | these papers say if I leave before date X, I have to personally pay back a loan that belonged to my company that my employer has promised to pay when he bought my company. |
| 21:10.54 | jsmith | maquis: Utah is most definitely an "at will" state |
| 21:11.14 | findlay | fozzmoo: well that doesn't sound so bad, then :) |
| 21:11.24 | maquis | fozzmoo: i guess that makes sense |
| 21:11.35 | fozzmoo | I'm also hoping to learn something from this experience. :) |
| 21:11.42 | maquis | fozzmoo: lol |
| 21:11.44 | fozzmoo | And I am learning a lot. |
| 21:11.45 | findlay | xkcd-style |
| 21:11.54 | fozzmoo | Not anything I would really seek out... |
| 21:11.57 | fozzmoo | but good nonetheless. |
| 21:13.34 | maquis | interesting |
| 21:13.39 | maquis | i like my job |
| 21:14.15 | maquis | and my direct manager is a really cool manager |
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| 21:14.23 | fozzmoo | I could probably be making 1.5x my salary, easily... |
| 21:14.34 | fozzmoo | somewhere else, but I'm very grateful to be getting paid at all. |
| 21:14.48 | fozzmoo | When I was running Iodynamics, there were stretches of not being paid. |
| 21:15.32 | findlay | but I still have that cool Iodynamics sticker on my computer case |
| 21:15.40 | findlay | that's got to count for something |
| 21:15.52 | nick125 | lol |
| 21:15.55 | bbeattie | heh |
| 21:16.19 | bbeattie | life wouldn't be as fun if it were simple either. :) |
| 21:18.55 | fozzmoo | I've got a lot of Io stickers. :) |
| 21:19.09 | Aliosa27 | Half of the staff where I work fell victom to the wonderfull "At will" treatment last week |
| 21:22.11 | fozzmoo | That sucks |
| 21:23.07 | Tene | I've been offered >3x my current salary, but I love teaching, and the PTO is awesome. |
| 21:23.37 | mrpull_ | Aliosa27: in the SLC area? |
| 21:27.16 | findlay | Tene: you have a power take-off? For your dump truck? |
| 21:27.18 | fozzmoo | Tene: Don't forget to mention it's in SF, CA. You couldn't pay me 5X my current salary to work there. :) |
| 21:27.32 | fozzmoo | PLASTIC BAGS, PEOPLE! |
| 21:27.46 | Tene | findlay: Paid time off. I'm getting about 3.5 months/year of time off. |
| 21:27.51 | fozzmoo | Or is it "plastic people?" I can't remember. |
| 21:28.07 | fozzmoo | Oh wait. I live in the plastic-people part of the country. |
| 21:28.43 | fozzmoo | "It's Plastic Man... and his amazing Plastic Family! Press the button and he says, 'We love you! See you next Sunday!'" |
| 21:29.01 | findlay | haha |
| 21:30.30 | Jayce^ | fozzmoo, agreed, only slightly stronger opinion on SF as I had on going to (and thusly not going to) LA |
| 21:31.17 | fozzmoo | Jayce^: We'd miss you sorely. |
| 21:32.42 | fozzmoo | Speaking of soreness... when's the next paintball outing? |
| 21:35.58 | mrpull_ | dumb question of the afternoon... |
| 21:36.13 | elg | I dunno, I think I'd like to live in the bay area if I was paid well enough to afford it |
| 21:36.19 | mrpull_ | who is that cable news analyst that is in a wheelchair |
| 21:36.29 | mrpull_ | google has NO idea what i'm talking about |
| 21:36.40 | elg | not stephen hawking |
| 21:37.03 | mrpull_ | not physicist :) |
| 21:37.16 | mrpull_ | (or underground rapper) |
| 21:38.24 | elg | i have a confession. I enjoy putting stuff in recycle bins that doesn't quite belong there |
| 21:38.33 | elg | like paper plates and cups in the paper recycle bin. |
| 21:38.53 | bonez45 | what a REBEL you are...elg... |
| 21:39.05 | elg | sometimes even a plastic fork when I'm in a bad mood |
| 21:39.23 | bonez45 | oh, for shame........scandalous...... |
| 21:39.41 | elg | but I always feel a sense of emptiness because nobody knows I did it |
| 21:40.51 | bonez45 | elg: do you know of any e-staffing or automated receptionist sort of FOSS applications? In the past two days, three companies have hit me up... i.e., www.globalestaff.com and drdial.com |
| 21:41.12 | bonez45 | just wondering if anything could be created like this... using LAMP...and other tools... |
| 21:41.16 | Jayce^ | fozzmoo, got practice tomorrow AM :) |
| 21:41.21 | nick125 | wonders what bonez45 is trying to do |
| 21:41.40 | bonez45 | nick125: trying to figure out a way to do this myself, instead of paying some company for this sort of service.... |
| 21:41.44 | elg | you want an AI secretary? |
| 21:41.46 | findlay | why are mice cords always just too short? |
| 21:41.54 | bonez45 | no, but I'll check on that now |
| 21:41.57 | elg | a robot perhaps? |
| 21:42.10 | fozzmoo | Jayce^: Public invited? |
| 21:42.17 | nick125 | bonez45: If you have some knowledge of a programming language (anything that can do stdout, basically), you could whip up something with Asterisk and AGI. |
| 21:42.37 | bonez45 | hmmm searching on AI secretary brings up Amnesty International stuff |
| 21:42.54 | bonez45 | hmm I haven't even dipped my toes in the Asterisk pool yet..... |
| 21:43.00 | bonez45 | despite my desire to |
| 21:43.30 | nick125 | It's really fun stuff. |
| 21:43.40 | nick125 | I'd suggest reading The Book, though. |
| 21:44.03 | nick125 | (not _A_ book on Asterisk, but rather _THE_ book on Asterisk) |
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| 21:44.10 | jsmith | ~thebook |
| 21:44.11 | ibot | Asterisk: The Future of Telephony 2nd Edition (ISBN 0-596-51048-9) --- Order yours at http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/9780596510480/ --- Free downloadable PDF http://downloads.oreilly.com/books/9780596510480.pdf --- HTML at http://tfot.leifmadsen.com |
| 21:44.26 | jsmith | nick125: You mean *that* book ;-) |
| 21:44.31 | nick125 | jsmith: bingo |
| 21:44.32 | findlay | haha |
| 21:44.50 | jsmith | (my arch-enemy) |
| 21:45.23 | nick125 | still has the first edition |
| 21:45.30 | bonez45 | nick125: got ya...the book by our own jsmith, right? |
| 21:45.53 | nick125 | bonez45: yeah. |
| 21:45.54 | bonez45 | of course |
| 21:46.01 | jsmith | isn't all that and a bag of chips |
| 21:46.21 | elg | throws in a bag of chips |
| 21:46.21 | elg | now he is |
| 21:46.39 | findlay | yay |
| 21:46.57 | findlay | what about dip? |
| 21:47.06 | nick125 | CHIPS! |
| 21:47.33 | jsmith | Mmmmn... some good cheese dip would be nice |
| 21:47.36 | jsmith | is starving |
| 21:48.04 | nick125 | stabs iwl3945 in the face |
| 21:50.33 | nick125 | For some reason, right after I modprobe it, it's good with high throughput and near zilch latency. After a few hours, it goes down to 20K/s with 3800ms latency. |
| 21:54.42 | nick125 | bonez45: But yeah, asterisk is pretty simple. You show it love, and it shows you love. Unlike freeswitch, which is foaming at the mouth with several hundred XML config files.. |
| 21:59.21 | nick125 | UUUMMMM..FREESWITCH HUNGRY...XML FILES....HUNGRY... |
| 22:03.21 | fozzmoo | heh |
| 22:04.17 | bonez45 | nick125: I have been wanting to dive in.. for a year or two.....I just need to get a SIP box.. decide on the hardware and then dive in.... |
| 22:04.49 | nick125 | bonez45: Well, what kind of hardware do you already have? |
| 22:04.51 | bonez45 | nothing would please me more than to program in a range of all those telemarketers from 702 area code...to mess with them, as well as with a few other telephone pests... |
| 22:04.54 | elg | decent computer, solid internet connection, and an ATA |
| 22:05.00 | nick125 | elg: basically |
| 22:05.21 | bonez45 | nick125: I don't have any ATA at the moment...well, unless my vonage coded WRTP54G would count.... |
| 22:05.33 | nick125 | You can pick one up for real cheap. |
| 22:05.47 | nick125 | I've had decent luck with my PAP2T-NA |
| 22:06.36 | jsmith | bonez45: Google for "Telemarketer Torture" |
| 22:06.42 | nick125 | hahah |
| 22:07.28 | nick125 | There was a script somewhere that queried whocalled.us and filtered based on that |
| 22:08.02 | levi | So, that political compass site has some interesting stuff on it. |
| 22:08.27 | findlay | I figure if it's a robodialer, it won't connect until the line answers, so you can just put everybody into a simple, 2 step menu before answering |
| 22:09.29 | bonez45 | I'd like to find something VERY irritating....to delay and harrass those folks... |
| 22:09.38 | nick125 | bonez45: telemarketer torture |
| 22:09.48 | bonez45 | or the mortgage refi folks, or the auto warranty folks, or the.... well, the list goes on and on and on |
| 22:10.04 | findlay | the interesting thing is I have Zapateller() go on every call that comes in, but still the spam comes through |
| 22:10.28 | findlay | yeah, what's with the auto warranty spam? |
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| 22:13.20 | bonez45 | findlay: they call me on a vehicle I no longer own, or drive or possess.... |
| 22:13.23 | bonez45 | it's just nuts |
| 22:14.00 | nick125 | They call me asking to extend the warranty on my car too. |
| 22:14.04 | findlay | I never listened long enough to hear what they were talking about |
| 22:14.24 | nick125 | (which is kind of funny, because I don't own a vehicle) |
| 22:14.36 | findlay | but I've only ever had one car and it's never had a warranty |
| 22:14.53 | findlay | it's just plain spam and belongs where spam belongs |
| 22:14.58 | findlay | in the garbage can |
| 22:15.14 | jsmith | None of my cars have warranties, and haven't ever had a warranty while I've owned them |
| 22:17.18 | bonez45 | jsmith: only one of ours has had one.....and it was wife's not mine |
| 22:17.28 | nick125 | brb |
| 22:23.01 | nick125 | Well, that was reasonably uneventful. |
| 22:23.59 | sjansen | I move that as his last act before leaving office, Bush rename our nation to The United Dictatorship of Bushlandia. All in favor say ay. |
| 22:24.21 | nick125 | might as well, it'd be much more truthful. |
| 22:25.00 | jsmith | nick125: I'm assuming you've seen imvotingrepublican.com then, right? |
| 22:26.20 | nick125 | yeah |
| 22:27.37 | sjansen | Has anyone created im-voting-anyone-but-the-traitors-that-handed-our-nation-to-the-stasi-or-the-traitors-that-barely-opposed-them.com ? |
| 22:29.12 | jsmith | sjansen: No, but I'm tempted to start the Radical Moderates Party... you wanna join? |
| 22:29.26 | sjansen | What's your platform? |
| 22:29.53 | jsmith | Special interests skew both parties away from the middle |
| 22:30.39 | jsmith | (and that it's gonna take more than a new president to clean up the gov't) |
| 22:30.50 | sjansen | That's not a platform, that's an observation of reality. |
| 22:31.03 | Jayce^ | and the president shouldn't even be the one we focus on |
| 22:31.33 | jsmith | Jayce^: No kidding... congress has a lower approval rating than the president :-/ |
| 22:31.50 | sjansen | As long as the president claims extra-judicial power, we should keep a very close eye on him. |
| 22:33.15 | sjansen | I'm an optimist. Long term we'll probably right our ship. It's just sad that we had to repeat the whole Japense internment camps experiment and wait 6 years to determine that the president isn't above the law. |
| 22:33.19 | Jayce^ | sjansen, all three branches do the same :( |
| 22:34.30 | sjansen | Question is, how long we'll have to listen to "paper's please" before we wake up and realize this isn't communist russian or nazi germany. |
| 22:35.25 | Jayce^ | Justice dept is grabbing at legislative and has executive, legislative does the same |
| 22:35.35 | Jayce^ | it's rock paper scissors where everybody wins :) |
| 22:36.40 | Jayce^ | sjansen, you do need that now.. and the supposed "freedom" folks are ratcheting it up more, pointing their fingers at the other folks all the time :( |
| 22:36.50 | mrpull_ | could this be the stupidest ad suggestion ever? "You can purchase Vista today but keep using Windows XP until you are ready to upgrade!" |
| 22:38.11 | sjansen | What we need is another McCarthy to make it more obvious just how stupid the whole terrorist boogey man has become. |
| 22:39.33 | sjansen | When someone suggests that copyright infringement supports terrorism, they should be laughed at not listened to. |
| 22:39.45 | findlay | mrpull_: haha |
| 22:40.02 | jsmith | Copyright infringement *does* support terrorism, but only to a small degree |
| 22:40.04 | findlay | give us your money now so you can try out our stuff later |
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| 22:41.18 | unum | so what do people recommend for imap and pop |
| 22:41.45 | unum | I've always used courier |
| 22:41.50 | nick125 | client? server? |
| 22:41.54 | unum | server |
| 22:42.00 | nick125 | has been using dovecot for a while with decent results |
| 22:42.10 | sjansen | Driving SUVs supports terrorism. Buying diamond wedding rings supports terrorism. Buying bananas supports terrorism. Etc. |
| 22:42.13 | unum | I think that's what we use at work |
| 22:42.28 | sjansen | unum: dovecot |
| 22:42.37 | jsmith | sjansen: Being terrified supports terrorism |
| 22:43.24 | unum | why does it depend on mysql stuff? |
| 22:43.27 | findlay | yes, but how can we work this into a musical? |
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| 22:43.51 | findlay | unum: because you're not using gentoo :) |
| 22:45.47 | unum | does dovecot support imaps and pops |
| 22:45.50 | sjansen | unum: Because RPM doesn't support "suggests" so optional packages are harder to support. |
| 22:45.55 | sjansen | Of course. |
| 22:46.23 | findlay | and dovecot SUPPORTS TERRORISTS!! |
| 22:46.37 | unum | sjansen: this is a debian box |
| 22:46.40 | findlay | haha, I'm so funny |
| 22:46.51 | unum | well sort of... it's a debian virtual server |
| 22:47.05 | sjansen | In that case I haven't a clue. MySQL is very much not a requirement of Dovecot. |
| 22:47.11 | maquis | findlay supports terrorism, obviously |
| 22:47.30 | findlay | maquis: amazon supports terrorists too |
| 22:47.33 | sjansen | Maybe it "recommends" so you can choose not to install it if you don't want it. |
| 22:48.42 | sjansen | Dovecot is the Postfix of IMAP and POP servers. Secure, fast, easy to configure. |
| 22:49.56 | nick125 | debates on whether to use turbogears or django for a project |
| 22:50.17 | findlay | no love for pylons? |
| 22:50.22 | nick125 | findlay: no love for pylons. |
| 22:50.34 | findlay | nick125: zope |
| 22:50.36 | findlay | :) |
| 22:50.40 | nick125 | findlay: very funny. |
| 22:50.54 | nick125 | I want to write a webapp today, not next year. ;-) |
| 22:51.22 | nick125 | The only reason I'd think of using TG is because it uses SQLAlchemy/SQLObject, which supports inheritance |
| 22:51.28 | unum | sweet dovecot comes with an example config on how to use it with postgres |
| 22:51.34 | jsmith | unum: Yup |
| 22:52.23 | unum | of course I then need to configure my mta to do that... |
| 22:54.19 | nick125 | You can configure postfix to use dovecot for SASL. |
| 22:56.59 | sjansen | If you have a copy of dovecot-sasl installed. It's new enough that not everyone ships it yet. |
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