| 00:01.31 | Hhhhh | we can yell the virtues of git at the top of our lungs, and dress like drag queens and go dancing on the streets in front of Times Square. and still that doesn't make it better than svn |
| 00:01.55 | encryptz | i've used both svn and git, and prefer svn |
| 00:02.06 | encryptz | i would like to try out bzr |
| 00:02.36 | levi | git is way more complex than svn, but is better suited to some projects. |
| 00:02.56 | Hhhhh | then those projects aren't important |
| 00:03.02 | levi | But in general, version control wars are just as silly are editor wars. |
| 00:03.08 | Hhhhh | if you're going to bring up the kernel, then I'll remind you: |
| 00:03.20 | Hhhhh | Linus thinks KDE's uber-cluttered interface is 1337 |
| 00:03.25 | Hhhhh | nuff' said |
| 00:03.41 | Tene | The truth is that if I don't use a version control system, they're all equally useless to me. |
| 00:03.54 | Hhhhh | Tene, that makes you a script kiddie |
| 00:03.54 | Tene | I've tried to use several, but the only one that I can regularly get myself to use is git. |
| 00:04.18 | Tene | I've gone back to try using svn several times, but I always get frustrated, confused, give up, and just use git. |
| 00:05.09 | Tene | So for me, git is better, because I can actually use it, regardless of any technical arguments. |
| 00:05.15 | maquis | has tried hg, and likes that better than cvs, svn and p4 |
| 00:05.54 | nick125 | I personally didn't like the random file corruption feature of mercurial. |
| 00:06.23 | Hhhhh | there is no such thing as "better for me", or "better for a project". Reality is not relative. |
| 00:06.36 | Hhhhh | Things are or aren't. |
| 00:06.56 | Hhhhh | And svn is better than git. |
| 00:07.11 | Hhhhh | (can you all tell I'm bored?) |
| 00:07.38 | Tene | Oh, trolling. |
| 00:07.40 | Tene | Okay. |
| 00:07.42 | Tene | NO YUO!! |
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| 00:21.10 | maquis | nick125: i haven't run into that particular feature |
| 00:21.27 | maquis | Hhhhh: you're not bored.. you're trolling |
| 00:22.04 | nick125 | maquis: Ah, it's fun. |
| 00:22.04 | maquis | i'm not particularly a fan of trolls |
| 00:22.04 | Hhhhh | aren't they one and the same? |
| 00:22.38 | maquis | nick125: no, trolling is not fun |
| 00:24.26 | Hhhhh | trolling is fun on the part of the troller, not on the trolee |
| 00:25.31 | maquis | Hhhhh: too bad |
| 00:27.00 | nick125 | maquis: No, I was talking about the random corruption. |
| 00:28.51 | maquis | nick125: yeah.. i know |
| 00:28.55 | maquis | i haven't run into it yet |
| 00:29.15 | maquis | i haven't used hg much -- don't have much time for personal projects right now |
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| 01:18.14 | lakshmi | chocolat |
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| 01:27.07 | jsmith-away | What, no Slackware in there? |
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| 01:40.35 | herlo | Can anyone hear the plug stream at http://stream.utos.org:8080 ? |
| 01:40.41 | brac | [Icecast Streaming Media Server] |
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| 02:42.01 | mfe | so...like...are you all college brats? |
| 02:43.55 | herlo | no |
| 02:43.59 | mfe | oh |
| 02:44.03 | mfe | tg |
| 02:44.06 | herlo | points to the topic |
| 02:44.16 | mfe | call for papers? |
| 02:44.33 | herlo | mfe: among other things |
| 02:44.33 | mfe | you mean to line the bottom of the bird cage? |
| 02:44.36 | herlo | ~logs |
| 02:44.37 | ibot | hmm... logs is apt/ibot/infobot/jbot/purl all log daily to http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian | lines that start with a space are not shown | some channels have stats at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz |
| 02:45.06 | herlo | means for mfe to investigate by reading a few logs... |
| 02:45.24 | mfe | investigate? |
| 02:45.42 | herlo | as in, go there and read about what #utah is. Its a very eclectic group |
| 02:45.57 | mfe | very cool |
| 02:46.05 | peno | herlo: that's a lie! |
| 02:46.09 | herlo | peno: k |
| 02:46.13 | peno | :-) |
| 02:46.56 | mfe | i'm diggin' that purple font |
| 02:47.30 | herlo | mfe: thats because of your client, I use a text irc client |
| 02:47.42 | herlo | sees no colors |
| 02:47.48 | herlo | well, sorta |
| 02:48.12 | peno | irc was meant to be black and white! |
| 02:48.20 | mfe | ic |
| 02:48.43 | mfe | i like black and white...it's so straitforward |
| 02:53.28 | mfe | thanks for the chat |
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| 02:55.07 | Sargun | hehe. |
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| 03:05.59 | herlo | np |
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| 03:14.59 | sontek | http://linuxandfriends.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/apt-get-wife.png |
| 03:22.34 | Hhhhh | haha, sontek that was awesome |
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| 03:27.40 | goozbach | how do you send something to a host you've deleted /etc/ on |
| 03:27.40 | goozbach | ? |
| 03:31.01 | sontek | goozbach: netcat might work |
| 03:31.51 | goozbach | not installed |
| 03:31.53 | goozbach | dammit |
| 03:32.14 | goozbach | late nights and long days and "get it done now" don't mix |
| 03:32.18 | sontek | hmm, without netcat I have no idea |
| 03:32.31 | sontek | I thought all distros shipped it by default |
| 03:33.02 | sontek | goozbach: sneakernet? |
| 03:33.20 | goozbach | I'm up that creek I suppose |
| 03:33.28 | goozbach | luckily it's just a redundant DNS server |
| 03:35.38 | mrpull-lt | is it running an old vunerable version of bind? ;-) |
| 03:35.48 | sontek | goozbach: have you tried using wget? |
| 03:37.22 | goozbach | mrpull-lt: probally, however I can't pull anything with it. |
| 03:37.31 | goozbach | and pushing stuff to the server doesn't seem to work |
| 03:38.18 | mrpull-lt | what product are you using for backup? |
| 03:38.33 | goozbach | systemimager |
| 03:38.56 | goozbach | problem is that I can't pull a new image as resolv.conf disapeared |
| 03:39.10 | goozbach | and all the other host resolution files |
| 03:39.18 | goozbach | I still have an open shell however. |
| 03:41.24 | Sargun | uhm |
| 03:41.30 | Sargun | cat /dev/tcp/blah |
| 03:41.39 | Sargun | Do you have BASH? |
| 03:41.44 | Sargun | Why did you delete /etc? |
| 03:42.30 | Sargun | tar -cvf - /etc|nc -l -p 8080 |
| 03:42.33 | Sargun | and on remote system |
| 03:42.43 | Sargun | cat /dev/tcp/remoteIP/8080 |tar -xvf |
| 03:42.48 | Sargun | goozbach, Will that wokr? |
| 03:42.52 | sontek | Sargun: he said netcat isn't installed |
| 03:42.56 | Sargun | No |
| 03:43.09 | Sargun | sontek, Doesn't have have a system which he wants to copy the files FROM |
| 03:43.15 | Sargun | that he can install NC on it |
| 03:43.26 | goozbach | Sargun: it doesn't HAVE NC installed |
| 03:43.35 | Sargun | goozbach, Ugh. |
| 03:43.39 | goozbach | nevermind |
| 03:43.43 | goozbach | I see what your saying |
| 03:43.49 | Sargun | Yes... I'm not an idiot. |
| 03:43.56 | Sargun | Bash has socket support. |
| 03:44.11 | Sargun | I don't know if tar needs /etc, but you you should be golden if it doesn't |
| 03:44.14 | goozbach | not this version of bash. |
| 03:44.17 | goozbach | damn |
| 03:44.21 | goozbach | thanks for the id |
| 03:44.26 | goozbach | er idea even |
| 03:44.27 | Sargun | ah. |
| 03:44.33 | sontek | I've never seen the /dev/tcp stuff |
| 03:44.38 | Sargun | I know some version of debian and RHEL disable it |
| 03:44.43 | goozbach | sontek: it's a fun hack |
| 03:44.47 | Sargun | goozbach, will python run? |
| 03:45.17 | goozbach | damn, no python |
| 03:45.22 | Sargun | What is this? |
| 03:45.24 | goozbach | think I'm screwed. |
| 03:45.27 | Sargun | Haha |
| 03:45.29 | Sargun | Never say screwed. |
| 03:45.37 | Sargun | (Unless there is a fire) |
| 03:45.47 | goozbach | it's an OLD stripped debian |
| 03:46.02 | lakshmi | FIREE |
| 03:46.04 | Sargun | perl? |
| 03:46.05 | sontek | perl will be there |
| 03:46.11 | Sargun | I'm surprised it doesn't have wget |
| 03:46.15 | goozbach | runs nothing but our secondary DNS (I think, I've only inherited it) |
| 03:46.16 | Sargun | or curl |
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| 03:47.18 | Sargun | uhm |
| 03:47.41 | Sargun | Ok, do this: |
| 03:48.24 | Sargun | Wait |
| 03:48.26 | Sargun | bad idea pants |
| 03:48.54 | Sargun | goozbach, do you have uudecode, or perl? |
| 03:49.24 | goozbach | hmm |
| 03:49.29 | Sargun | Is that a yes, or a no? |
| 03:49.30 | goozbach | I think I may have a solution. |
| 03:49.33 | Sargun | What is it? |
| 03:49.37 | goozbach | I have wget |
| 03:49.41 | Sargun | ....oh.... |
| 03:49.52 | goozbach | I have an ip of a host on the same segment |
| 03:49.53 | sontek | hands goozbach a RHEL cd |
| 03:49.55 | sontek | solution! |
| 03:50.03 | sontek | ;) |
| 03:50.07 | goozbach | sontek: it's in a datacenter I don't have access to |
| 03:50.28 | goozbach | I have to do this remotely, or wait till friday. |
| 03:51.12 | sontek | goozbach: cp initrd and linux into /boot/, modify grub to boot them and start install with ssh enabled |
| 03:51.44 | sontek | I just finished re-installing a box in our center without ever going there =) |
| 03:52.02 | Sargun | goozbach, do you have a serial login? |
| 03:52.58 | sontek | does rhel/fedora support vnc/ssh installs? |
| 03:53.09 | Sargun | ya |
| 03:53.44 | sontek | in opensuse you load up the kernell with usessh=1 in grub, and then you can just shell in and start your install |
| 03:54.08 | goozbach | I'm gonna try wget fetching a tarball |
| 03:54.47 | Sargun | uhm |
| 03:55.36 | goozbach | YES!!!! that worked |
| 03:55.41 | Sargun | haha |
| 03:55.47 | goozbach | thanks guys |
| 03:57.00 | herlo | sontek: rhel/fedora supports vnc installs... vnc itself can be tunneled over ssh |
| 03:57.52 | goozbach | just can't let this box reboot, until there is someone there at the console |
| 03:58.13 | goozbach | (I don't have the proper network configs in my backup) :( |
| 03:58.20 | Sargun | goozbach, LVM? |
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| 04:00.39 | goozbach | Sargun: what about it? |
| 04:01.06 | goozbach | this is an OLD box, setup YEARS ago by my predesicor(sp?) |
| 04:01.35 | goozbach | if I'd have built it, I would have chattr +i'd the entire /etc/ directory |
| 04:01.37 | goozbach | :) |
| 04:01.43 | Sargun | predecessor |
| 04:02.13 | Sargun | goozbach, can't you freeze the disks, and then boot using qemu? |
| 04:04.56 | Sargun | goozbach, If I had built it I would have deleted all the files which are only used on bootup, who needs those? Our DC has great uptime! ;-P |
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| 05:58.21 | levi | Huh, I'm surprised my indictment of democracy and the free market on PLUG didn't garner any responses. |
| 05:59.00 | levi | Upon further thought, the real trouble may have begun with the introduction of the concept of corporations. |
| 05:59.04 | sontek | we don't feed the trolls! |
| 05:59.22 | levi | It wasn't a troll. |
| 06:00.03 | levi | I find it rather ironic that so many people are upset at the consumer culture that the free market and mass media have created. |
| 06:01.02 | levi | It's precisely our freedom and capitalistic tendencies that allowed it to happen. |
| 06:02.11 | Sargun | <conspiracy theorist>Freedom is only an illusion</conspiracy theorist> |
| 06:05.15 | levi | <astute observer>Sargun is silly</astute observer> |
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| 07:56.25 | Supaplex | findlay: are you still interested in any optrons I have? |
| 08:14.44 | levi | Grr, can't sleep. |
| 08:20.30 | Supaplex | melatonin for the win. speaking of sleep, my nap shifted my cycle around. good night. :) |
| 08:22.43 | findlay | Supaplex: I'm more of a long term investor |
| 08:24.05 | Supaplex | i'll talk about it later. zzZZzzz |
| 08:26.48 | findlay | options are passé |
| 09:07.25 | Tene | I love being able to say things like "The code now runs 81% faster with more features". |
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| 13:52.32 | Sargun_screen | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PID_controller |
| 13:52.35 | Sargun_screen | That's pretty neat. |
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| 13:55.04 | Sargun_screen | Lalalla. |
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| 14:34.24 | encryptz | so, my rate limiting has nothing to do with the training center. it has everything to do with my gateway, which is the instructor machine for the class |
| 14:35.38 | encryptz | or the switch that we're both connected to |
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| 15:04.38 | markl_ | rm -rf Jayce^ |
| 15:06.23 | Jayce^ | ~punt markl_ |
| 15:06.24 | ibot | ACTION sends markl_ into a new timezone |
| 15:07.07 | markl_ | heh |
| 15:07.11 | markl_ | what's new with you? |
| 15:07.47 | Jayce^ | still newish job, of course :() |
| 15:07.55 | markl_ | how do you like bluehost |
| 15:07.58 | Jayce^ | and the UTOS ramping up towards the conference |
| 15:07.59 | Jayce^ | fun so far |
| 15:08.09 | Jayce^ | you should do a presentation for UTOS man |
| 15:08.09 | markl_ | a lot of ex freeservers people there |
| 15:08.23 | Jayce^ | there are.. |
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| 15:09.47 | Jayce^ | it's nice not having the overhead of a CA based parent company anymore |
| 15:10.21 | markl_ | yeah i'll bet things happen a lot faster |
| 15:11.48 | Jayce^ | no CMR's :) |
| 15:18.35 | elg | curly-maned rookies? |
| 15:20.05 | elg | man, soxmix is quite the bottleneck here |
| 15:20.50 | elg | all I'm doing is combining audio files into stereo files. you'd think it would be a simple copy/paste sort of operation |
| 15:21.16 | markl_ | i need a cgi jukebox kind of system to control the muzak in our ceiling speakers |
| 15:22.05 | elg | ah, it's making the output mono |
| 15:23.02 | markl_ | Jayce^: hey can i run a mac question by you, i am such a n00b. |
| 15:23.40 | markl_ | we have a mac mini here and the original user is long gone, so i can't apply updates; how hard is it to get admin access |
| 15:24.54 | Jayce^ | if you have a disc, you can do a single user type boot |
| 15:26.52 | markl_ | no disc |
| 15:26.52 | markl_ | i found a page that says Hold Apple+S when booting to enter single user mode |
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| 15:28.34 | markl_ | Jayce^: it logs in automatically as this user, is there a way to just log in as root |
| 15:29.16 | markl_ | that should be a clear demonstration of just how much of a n00b i am |
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| 15:30.59 | Jayce^ | markl_, no 'root' specific person |
| 15:31.13 | Jayce^ | think ubuntu, defaults to only sudo access (admin marked on first user) |
| 15:32.36 | markl_ | ok i don't see the user in the passwd file |
| 15:32.42 | markl_ | i got a root shell prompt |
| 15:34.03 | Jayce^ | stored in the internal LDAP system |
| 15:34.19 | markl_ | fun, how do i reset that one |
| 15:34.27 | Jayce^ | you can create a new user, and give them admin |
| 15:34.48 | markl_ | from the command line? |
| 15:34.58 | Jayce^ | go to the system preferences, likely on the bar on the bottom, but you can just click on the apple in the top left, and see system preferences |
| 15:35.03 | Jayce^ | dont' remember the CLI command for it |
| 15:35.09 | Jayce^ | there is one though |
| 15:35.18 | markl_ | but no way to just do ldappasswd ? |
| 15:35.58 | Jayce^ | something like that, but used to be a netinfo command |
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| 15:53.51 | Tene | markl_: I've been fond of using mpd for a music frontend. |
| 15:53.56 | Tene | markl_: http://musicpd.org/ |
| 15:55.20 | elg | no, you use mpd for a music backend |
| 15:55.27 | elg | you may use an mpd client as a frontend |
| 15:57.46 | RyanE | Xuxa forbid your children should have to share a room! BWAA HA! |
| 15:57.56 | RyanE | That Stewart is a funny one. |
| 16:02.34 | thaddeusq | I know Stuart is funny, but, who is Stewart? :) |
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| 16:16.31 | RyanE | whatever... Stewie is funny. |
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| 16:23.20 | levi | Goooood morning. |
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| 16:32.46 | markl_ | Jayce^: the solution was: rm /var/db/.AppleSetupDone |
| 16:32.52 | markl_ | and it let me create a new account with admin rights |
| 16:33.30 | markl_ | Tene: cool, i'll check it out. there is one called nina that i was looking at too |
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| 16:36.52 | markl_ | Tene: can i set limits so users can only queue up a few songs at a time? i don't want the skynyrd fanatic to pick 10 skynyrd cd's in a row |
| 16:37.36 | Tene | No, I haven't seen any systems that have limits like that available. |
| 16:38.06 | markl_ | i hacked one up like 8 years ago that could do it. unfortunately it didn't do much else |
| 16:38.17 | Tene | nodnod |
| 16:39.09 | markl_ | except my old one could control multiple icecast streams; whereas for this i just need a POS sound card |
| 16:39.28 | markl_ | i think mpd will be perfect, thanks |
| 16:40.22 | Tene | np |
| 16:48.15 | levi | Cool, McCain has a former exorcist on his VP short-list. |
| 16:48.48 | elg | heh |
| 16:49.15 | levi | Maybe he could cast out all the demons in Washington. |
| 16:49.35 | elg | that might cause infinite recursion |
| 16:49.55 | levi | Would that be a bad thing? |
| 16:50.14 | elg | i'm still thinking... |
| 16:51.17 | markl_ | i am looking forward to the "f jesus" attack ads |
| 16:52.01 | markl_ | and lots of green puke |
| 16:52.27 | markl_ | i was way too young when i first saw that movie |
| 16:53.09 | elg | that's how sjansen feels about harleypig |
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| 16:54.36 | sjansen | Not harleypig per say, just harleypig in a *shiver* |
| 16:55.42 | levi | Huh, someone's planning to film PKD's 'Ubik' |
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| 16:58.13 | WeggTop | oi |
| 16:58.23 | WeggTop | My damn sendmail server is acting up again. |
| 16:58.27 | WeggTop | :-( |
| 16:58.28 | sjansen | ~language WeggTop |
| 16:58.29 | ibot | ACTION grabs WeggTop by the ear and washes WeggTop's mouth out with soap |
| 16:58.36 | levi | Time to give it a stern talking-to. |
| 16:58.37 | elg | yeah, don't you dare say sendmail in here again |
| 16:58.42 | sjansen | Seja bem vindo, WeggTop. |
| 16:58.42 | levi | Maybe send it to time-out. |
| 16:59.00 | WeggTop | wish I could. |
| 16:59.32 | elg | don't you watch enough movies? "There's always a choice." |
| 17:00.09 | WeggTop | I'll try restarting it I guess. :-( |
| 17:00.58 | Tene | <3 sendmail |
| 17:01.25 | WeggTop | you like sendmail Tene? |
| 17:01.44 | Tene | Well, sometimes. |
| 17:01.56 | WeggTop | me too. :-) |
| 17:02.09 | elg | i like sendmail almost as much as I like root canals |
| 17:02.18 | WeggTop | mine just stopped accepting passwords. |
| 17:02.23 | WeggTop | out of the blue |
| 17:08.35 | WeggTop | restart didn't help. |
| 17:08.36 | WeggTop | damn |
| 17:11.09 | Tene | I've never had a root canal. |
| 17:11.57 | levi | Wow, 13 5-star ratings on amazon for a $300 rice cooker. No ratings lower than 5 stars, either. |
| 17:12.11 | WeggTop | must be an AMAZING rice cooker. |
| 17:12.23 | levi | Looked at it because a friend mentioned he made perfect steel-cut oatmeal with it. |
| 17:12.45 | WeggTop | You'd have to love rice to pay $300 for the chance to cook it yourself. |
| 17:12.50 | elg | my wife makes perfect steel-cut oatmeal on the stove, even when she forgets and boils it over |
| 17:12.58 | elg | i think the key is getting actual steel-cut oats |
| 17:13.43 | levi | This particular model uses inductive heating and has a fuzzy-logic microcontroller in it, and a bunch of custom settings for different kinds of rice, including brown rice. |
| 17:13.57 | elg | sounds hitech |
| 17:14.10 | levi | Well, yeah. It'd better be for $300. |
| 17:15.12 | levi | Apparently you can get them for $230 or so on ebay. |
| 17:16.54 | levi | It also does 'GABA brown rice', which is a way of cooking brown rice that's supposed to make it healthier by releasing more of the GABA amino acid. |
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| 17:18.00 | diesel | rsimpkins: How's life? |
| 17:18.39 | WeggTop | cannot connect to pop server. . . |
| 17:18.41 | WeggTop | hmm |
| 17:28.18 | elg | so my dentist says baking soda toothpaste is too abrasive (and wants to sell me a prescription toothpaste), but arm&hammer says baking soda is less abrasive than traditional (silica) |
| 17:28.33 | elg | they're both trying to sell me stuff. who to believe? |
| 17:29.30 | WeggTop | google. |
| 17:30.02 | eggyknap | In an 8th grade science class we stuck toothpaste blobs between two new glass slides and mushed it around some to see the scratches in the glass. Perhaps you could test them, with some method similar to that one. |
| 17:30.19 | sjansen | levi: Does it have a setting other than sticky? |
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| 17:32.21 | goozbach | stickyrice++ |
| 17:32.31 | levi | sjansen: Yeah, it's got lots of settings. |
| 17:32.52 | sjansen | Sticky rice is wrong. If you want your rice to stick together, that's what the beans are for. |
| 17:33.07 | WeggTop | I can't stand anything other than sticky rice. |
| 17:33.11 | levi | Heh. No, sticky rice is wonderful. Then you can eat it with chopsticks. |
| 17:33.18 | WeggTop | exactly |
| 17:33.48 | WeggTop | that rice-a-roni stuff is aweful. Takes you a month to get all the grains from your plate to your mouth. You end up just using your fingers. |
| 17:33.52 | levi | Then you can eat it, period. The individual kernels of non-sticky rice are always eluding my eating utensils. |
| 17:34.06 | WeggTop | points to levi and nods |
| 17:34.51 | tensai | elg: brushing is so over-rated |
| 17:35.14 | levi | I've got a regular rice cooker, but you have to be really careful with it or else it will burn the rice on the bottom. |
| 17:35.44 | elg | mmmm, pegado |
| 17:35.57 | WeggTop | Our rice cooker just does its thing. No burning. |
| 17:36.04 | elg | that tempts me to go buy a non-nonstick pan while my wife isn't looking |
| 17:36.25 | elg | some foods are so hard to make properly in non-stick |
| 17:37.44 | goozbach | elg: get a cast-iron pan |
| 17:37.54 | elg | well I have one, but it's not great for rice |
| 17:37.57 | elg | no lid, for one thing |
| 17:37.59 | elg | wrong shape |
| 17:38.21 | tensai | we make rice in a non-nonstick pan all the time |
| 17:38.43 | tensai | oh, you said that's better. I see. |
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| 17:46.22 | rsimpkins | diesel: Hey man. |
| 18:23.58 | findlay | yay, work |
| 18:24.21 | findlay | so, who here likes their job? |
| 18:24.34 | unum_linode | did |
| 18:24.42 | unum_linode | they are changing my manager today |
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| 18:46.34 | Sargun | neato. |
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| 18:49.54 | Tene | findlay: I do. |
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| 18:55.57 | elg | mmm, gyro |
| 18:56.36 | levi | Mmm, thai ginger chicken. |
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| 19:15.48 | sjansen | findlay: Like? Love! |
| 19:16.30 | elg | it's time for something |
| 19:16.49 | sjansen | It's peanut butter jelly time! |
| 19:17.02 | elg | that must be it |
| 19:17.29 | elg | now do you mean peanut butter flavored jelly, or pb&j? we have to be precise about these things |
| 19:18.09 | goozbach | elg: peanut butter jelly time! |
| 19:18.12 | goozbach | that is all |
| 19:18.13 | sjansen | http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/funny-pictures-bunny-takes-loneliness.jpg |
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| 19:18.38 | elg | why would a rabid vermin make loneilness go away? |
| 19:18.49 | sjansen | elg: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8MDNFaGfT4 |
| 19:22.03 | elg | thanks, I think. I now feel deeducated |
| 19:25.25 | sjansen | No problem. Any time. |
| 19:27.05 | elg | you know, that reminds me of http://youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0 |
| 19:28.19 | sjansen | stares the screen in shock and horro |
| 19:28.53 | sjansen | Is is possible that Fedora is really considering not shipping FF3? Just staying on a broken beta? |
| 19:29.28 | levi | Sounds possible to me. |
| 19:29.57 | elg | maybe they figure nobody can tell the difference with firefox |
| 19:30.25 | levi | I remember the good old days when Firefox seemed lean, lightweight, and fast. |
| 19:30.26 | elg | firefox, beta or no, has this somewhat deserved reputation |
| 19:30.31 | mrpull_ | fedora is just a broken beta anyway |
| 19:30.32 | elg | such that people blame everything on firefox |
| 19:30.34 | unum | ran phoenix |
| 19:30.48 | elg | even when it isn't firefox' fault. so why bother to ship the released version? people will still think it's broke. ;-) |
| 19:30.52 | unum | and kmeleon |
| 19:31.26 | findlay | elinks |
| 19:31.52 | findlay | sjansen: just dedicate a spare machine to ff and you'll be fine |
| 19:32.16 | elg | just run debian testing |
| 19:32.39 | sjansen | elg: When it comes to Rick Rollin' http://www.saynotocrack.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/doing-it-wrong.jpg |
| 19:33.24 | findlay | imagines sjansen walking through the airport with his laptop bag and a trolley with old, discolored plastic desktop components on it: "Oh, that's my firefox kiosk" |
| 19:34.00 | elg | sshh |
| 19:34.06 | elg | you can't go through an airport with firefox |
| 19:34.09 | elg | wmd and all that |
| 19:34.13 | findlay | oh, right |
| 19:34.18 | findlay | :X |
| 19:34.42 | findlay | wow, how did I get my mouth to do that? |
| 19:34.52 | findlay | :% |
| 19:35.50 | findlay | :èª |
| 19:36.00 | findlay | try that one out |
| 19:36.27 | Tene | :Â |
| 19:36.54 | sjansen | Oh, great, now Tene's mouth fell off again. |
| 19:37.28 | findlay | Supaplex: still giving opterons away? |
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| 19:51.08 | encryptz | ã |
| 19:54.21 | fozzmoo | Probably means "pineapple" in Farsi or something, huh? |
| 19:55.17 | encryptz | katakana, actually |
| 19:55.39 | findlay | PINEAPPLE! |
| 19:55.42 | findlay | ~pineapple |
| 19:55.43 | ibot | ACTION dances around with a pineapple on her head, singing o/' O pineapple, O pineapple, thy skin is very pokey o/` |
| 19:57.47 | encryptz | ã½ if you're a cyclops |
| 19:58.13 | encryptz | ã
if you have dimples |
| 19:58.22 | Sargun | Hey, any redhat engineers know if Redhat's network configurations will ever change? |
| 19:58.44 | jsmith | Sargun: Nothing in life is constant |
| 19:58.44 | encryptz | network config as in /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/* ? |
| 19:58.54 | Sargun | encryptz, yes. |
| 19:59.02 | Sargun | I was hoping they'd make it more CIDR friendly. |
| 19:59.08 | Sargun | or more modern. |
| 20:01.04 | encryptz | what's more modern? |
| 20:01.20 | goozbach | CDIR friendly? |
| 20:01.27 | encryptz | the config is very granular, giving you good control |
| 20:01.32 | goozbach | 10.0.0.34/24 doesn't work? |
| 20:01.37 | goozbach | sure does for me |
| 20:01.40 | findlay | I think RH should refuse to support ipv4. That way the world will be forced to upgrade |
| 20:01.53 | Sargun | stabs findlay |
| 20:01.59 | peno | It would be nice if a lot of things were CIDR friendly. |
| 20:02.23 | Sargun | goozbach, For example, if I wanted to add 80 /32s to lo, it's difficult in RHEL |
| 20:02.35 | Sargun | the easiest way to do it is add aliases |
| 20:06.31 | sontek | TimRiker: ping! |
| 20:06.50 | sontek | TimRiker: are you following the openmoko / neo 1973 development? |
| 20:07.08 | sontek | TimRiker: can you make phone calls with it realiably? |
| 20:07.10 | TimRiker | loosely. I have one but I've not updated the firmware for a while now. |
| 20:07.41 | TimRiker | I have made phone calls with it before, but the battery life still sucked. I would not call that reliably yet. |
| 20:08.00 | TimRiker | but there have been many updates since I flashed, so perhaps it's usable now? dunno. |
| 20:08.13 | sontek | You should update and let me know! ;) |
| 20:08.25 | TimRiker | been busy. phone calls seems to work all the time provided the battery was charges. |
| 20:08.38 | TimRiker | data access was not working well in any version I tested. |
| 20:09.03 | TimRiker | ie: usb networking was fine, but cellular data was not. |
| 20:09.40 | sontek | what provider were you using with it? |
| 20:09.54 | TimRiker | folks tried to get android running on it, but alas, the android code wants a higher rev arm chip. |
| 20:09.58 | TimRiker | t-mobile. |
| 20:11.29 | sontek | Have you played with android at all? would it be worth it to wait for them to get some phones out with it? |
| 20:11.42 | TimRiker | first gen neo's are sold out, next gen are not yet availbable. |
| 20:11.53 | sontek | I have a treo650 right now, which crashes once a day on me, so I don't need stability ;) |
| 20:11.54 | findlay | android seems pretty lame from what I've read about it |
| 20:12.08 | findlay | but I haven't read much |
| 20:12.12 | TimRiker | download the android sdk, and try out the emulator. it's easy to do and worth a look. |
| 20:12.22 | sontek | Everyone was impressed with Robert Love's talk at LRL, but I didn't go to it |
| 20:12.29 | TimRiker | LRL? |
| 20:12.32 | sontek | lug radio live |
| 20:12.36 | sontek | it was a conference in san fran |
| 20:13.21 | sontek | Will the next gen neo's have a good enough proc for android? |
| 20:15.55 | TimRiker | chats in rl |
| 20:19.06 | sontek | pokes findlay |
| 20:19.14 | sontek | If this isn't rl, how could I do that?! |
| 20:19.46 | findlay | steal's sontek's rl |
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| 20:52.57 | brac | [An IRC Tutorial] |
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| 20:56.18 | tensai | ã = tsu, ã½ = so, ã
= zu |
| 20:58.21 | tensai | no inherent meaning to any of them. they're just sounds. |
| 20:59.12 | jsmith | tensai: But you could connect "tsu" with "na" and "mi", right? |
| 20:59.21 | jsmith | tensai: Then it would have meaning ;-) |
| 20:59.44 | tensai | jsmith: funny how alphabets work, no? |
| 21:00.53 | tensai | but tsunami would properly be written 津波 |
| 21:01.05 | tensai | or ã¤ãªã¿ |
| 21:01.27 | jsmith | Right... |
| 21:01.33 | jsmith | has no clue |
| 21:01.34 | findlay | haha, those alphabets |
| 21:28.48 | sjansen | https://www.redhat.com/courses/rh033_red_hat_linux_essentials/ <-- Is it just me or is that table in the middle of the page really confusing. How long did it take you to figure out what the heck it meant? |
| 21:30.08 | findlay | approximately 0.022 ms |
| 21:30.42 | findlay | what's with RH numbering all their courses with [0,1,3]? |
| 21:31.56 | sjansen | findlay: Okay hot shot, what does that table mean? |
| 21:33.49 | findlay | sjansen: it's a 2-Dimensional mapping between initial experience level and course/exam work necessary to achieve either RHCT or RHCE |
| 21:33.56 | dataw0lf | the suggested requirements for an experience / cert cross reference? |
| 21:34.17 | goozbach | sjansen: seems simple enough |
| 21:34.22 | dataw0lf | doesn't seem that confusing to me |
| 21:34.28 | goozbach | it's exactly what I told my students |
| 21:34.32 | findlay | the light blue is RHCT, the dark blue is RHCT+RHCE |
| 21:34.53 | findlay | I, however, agree with sjansen. I think it is confusing at first |
| 21:35.10 | dataw0lf | it could be done better. |
| 21:35.11 | goozbach | matter of fact I think they stole that table from ME!!! |
| 21:35.16 | findlay | hahaha |
| 21:35.22 | goozbach | I used to draw an array JUST like that |
| 21:35.37 | findlay | goozbach: so you're the guilty party in this scenario |
| 21:35.53 | goozbach | it's plagurism! |
| 21:35.56 | goozbach | I'm upset! |
| 21:36.32 | goozbach | but I don't have proof of my original, as it was always drawn on the whiteboard |
| 21:36.59 | maquis | urgh! |
| 21:38.18 | jsmith | goozbach: And you didn't draw a copyright symbol on it, did you?!? |
| 21:38.53 | findlay | jsmith: automatic, implicit copyright, man |
| 21:39.29 | goozbach | but seeing as how I was working in the employ of RedHat at the time, they probally own it anyway. *shrug* |
| 21:40.16 | findlay | that table is immutable from the interpolation of charalatans and imposters for goozbach::lifespan + 70 + \epsilon years |
| 21:40.49 | levi | That looks like something ibot would say. |
| 21:41.09 | levi | Or brac, rather. |
| 21:41.38 | jsmith | -chat immutable |
| 21:41.38 | brac | immutable is |
| 21:41.43 | jsmith | -chat the immutable |
| 21:41.43 | brac | the immutable |
| 21:41.48 | jsmith | -chat the thing |
| 21:41.48 | brac | the thing is that the designer of the personal extension number |
| 21:41.51 | levi | -chat interpolation |
| 21:41.51 | brac | interpolation went |
| 21:41.56 | levi | -chat interpolation |
| 21:41.57 | brac | interpolation is a 4G data standard |
| 21:42.00 | levi | -chat interpolation |
| 21:42.00 | brac | interpolation was |
| 21:42.00 | jsmith | -chat ibot would |
| 21:42.01 | brac | ibot would have to consume enough of my head, let alone work |
| 21:42.16 | levi | -chat interpolation of |
| 21:42.16 | brac | interpolation of charalatans and imposters for goozbach::lifespan + 70 years |
| 21:43.45 | findlay | -chat copyright symbol |
| 21:43.45 | brac | copyright symbol on it now behind a bunker, and hit it accidently |
| 21:44.44 | levi | -chat findlay |
| 21:44.44 | brac | findlay went after everything gets locked. |
| 21:46.19 | levi | Heh, a funny quote attributed to Mark Twain: "Many researchers have already cast much darkness upon this subject, and it is probable that if they continue, that we shall soon know nothing at all about it" |
| 21:46.34 | Tene | heh |
| 21:46.54 | tensai | sjansen: I didn't have a hard time with that table. maybe because it's very similar to the recipe format used at cookingforengineers.com |
| 21:46.56 | findlay | sounds like good old Sam |
| 21:47.38 | tensai | said recipe format is patent pending, btw. how very one-click of him. |
| 21:48.16 | findlay | haha |
| 21:48.18 | levi | Well, he's an engineer. Engineers patent things. :P |
| 21:48.29 | findlay | goozbach: now you're patent prior art! |
| 21:48.32 | Tene | -chat engineers patent |
| 21:48.32 | brac | engineers patent things. :P |
| 21:49.28 | mrpull_ | brac: that's just lazy to quote levi verbatim |
| 21:49.29 | elg | software developers copyright things |
| 21:50.07 | findlay | -chat just lazy |
| 21:50.07 | brac | just lazy but I also got a Linux entertainment PC? Well designed, with all the cool kids work for my mount point, and that works in Linux, but there are settings for blocking e-mail spam filter, simply because they bite unix permissions |
| 21:50.44 | elg | you can be antiantisocial in any profession. being an engineer is no excuse |
| 21:51.00 | elg | but yes, they patent everything they can get their grubby paws on |
| 21:51.14 | tensai | o/~ the first noel, the angels did say, was to certain poor shepherds in fields where they lay o/~ |
| 21:51.33 | findlay | elg: I find your lack of faith in the patent system disturbing |
| 21:52.06 | elg | at least the dark side actually worked |
| 21:52.07 | levi | elg: Well, for a long time, there was nothing wrong with that. Engineering generally led to the sorts of designs that the patent process was meant to protect. |
| 21:52.08 | Tene | Huh. It's enertaining, the amonut of typing I'll do just to save a little bit of typing. |
| 21:52.27 | findlay | ~type Tene |
| 21:52.43 | Tene | I've got a screenful of meta-meta functions builders here. |
| 22:05.48 | goozbach | any fans of eastern music here? |
| 22:05.57 | goozbach | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CJjAuKDnQM -- < awesome! |
| 22:10.12 | maquis | goozbach: eastern as in what? |
| 22:10.22 | maquis | chinese? eastern US? middle-eastern? |
| 22:10.26 | goozbach | pakastani? |
| 22:10.31 | goozbach | I suppose |
| 22:10.31 | maquis | ah |
| 22:10.47 | maquis | i haven't listened to a lot of pakistani, but there's some good indian music out there |
| 22:10.48 | goozbach | it's a remix with the Knight Rider theme |
| 22:10.56 | goozbach | it may be indian |
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| 22:18.48 | elg | realizes he forgot another pseudo-important thing in favor of irb. if you want multiple random numbers and you're using a prng, you want to get them from the same sequence, not just the first random number from multiple seedings |
| 22:29.10 | tensai | elg: why no love for msg? |
| 22:29.36 | elg | msg? monosodium glutamate? |
| 22:29.42 | elg | or privmsg? |
| 22:29.51 | tensai | re: ranch dressing |
| 22:31.34 | elg | ah, well it's bad. obviously. everyone knows that. ;-) |
| 22:32.24 | elg | i didn't used to think anything of it, and then my mom noted that it made her feel different. I scoffed, but I started noticing how I felt after ingesting food with msg |
| 22:32.38 | jsmith | Then why do people in countries with high MSG intake live longer?!? |
| 22:32.42 | jsmith | throws out random questions |
| 22:33.03 | elg | i don't have solid proof that it affects my energy, mood, etc. - that would take a more thorough investigation - but I have enough personal anectdotal evidence to put forth a halfhearted effort to avoid it |
| 22:33.44 | elg | plus it's on the evil list in the health food circles my wife semi-subscribes to, and so it makes her happy that I avoid it |
| 22:33.47 | maquis | elg: but you didn't notice until you started looking for it? |
| 22:34.30 | elg | the effects aren't large, for me. i realize it's an imperfect observation, but it doesn't hurt me to not ingest it |
| 22:35.16 | elg | in fact, it's just the principle of it as much as anything. food should taste good because it was made well, not because you injected it with msg or sugar or whatever |
| 22:35.29 | tensai | personally I enjoy it just to spite those who brand it as evil |
| 22:35.39 | elg | that's another tack. :) |
| 22:35.58 | tensai | it's much like salt. it's not something that tastes good. it brings out flavors of other things. |
| 22:36.04 | elg | this ranch dressing was so much better than that hidden valley trash (which is so much better than most other brands) that it's a moot point anyway |
| 22:36.05 | jsmith | Personally, I don't have enough information... so I try not to worry about it |
| 22:36.12 | tensai | but then, there are nutters who avoid salt too |
| 22:36.25 | elg | yeah, I'm totally anti-anti-salt |
| 22:36.29 | jsmith | tensai: I just read a book on the history of salt... |
| 22:36.29 | elg | is into the double negatives today |
| 22:36.42 | jsmith | tensai: ... does that count? |
| 22:37.08 | tensai | jsmith: salt has been a rather important part of history. sounds like it might be a good book. good topic anyway. |
| 22:37.34 | tensai | elg: you know that hidden valley invented ranch? so theirs is actually the definitive "ranch". |
| 22:37.46 | elg | ya think? you have evidence on that? |
| 22:37.49 | jsmith | tensai: Great book... makes me want to write my own history book though |
| 22:37.51 | levi | I think food with MSG often tastes *too* strong. |
| 22:38.23 | elg | i often enjoy eating chinese, which I'm sure is loaded with the stuff. so like I said, half-hearted |
| 22:38.49 | tensai | elg: hidden valley says so |
| 22:38.51 | tensai | http://www.hiddenvalleyranch.com/about.php |
| 22:38.56 | elg | of course they do :) |
| 22:39.27 | tensai | sounds credible to me. but mayo-based dressings aren't exactly uncommon. |
| 22:39.46 | elg | yeah. was he really the first to put mayo and buttermilk together? unlikely |
| 22:39.52 | tensai | and if you like this other stuff better, it's not like it really matters |
| 22:40.13 | levi | elg: He was probably the first to put them together and call it 'Ranch Dressing' |
| 22:40.16 | elg | and that little ditty says "some dry herbs, mayo, buttermilk". the "invention" seems to be the seasoning packet |
| 22:40.28 | elg | but as I noted in my post, mayo+buttermilk gets you 90% there |
| 22:40.55 | tensai | we make our own with the seasoning packet. I may give a try to your recipe. |
| 22:41.32 | levi | http://www.slate.com/id/2123991/ |
| 22:41.50 | elg | you add the packet to mayo and buttermilk? that probably tastes a lot better than the stuff they sell in bottles, but that's just a guess |
| 22:41.50 | tensai | elg: back to the MSG, I suspect a lot of the food to which MSG is added isn't generally the best food for you anyway. heavily processed, etc. |
| 22:42.00 | elg | right. it's a coverup |
| 22:42.04 | tensai | exactly |
| 22:42.19 | tensai | I tasted it straight one time. wow. |
| 22:42.36 | tensai | they say it's the quintessential taste of umami |
| 22:43.22 | levi | You can still buy shakers of it under the brand name 'Accent' or something like that. |
| 22:44.25 | goozbach | yeah, you can |
| 22:44.30 | goozbach | that's what it's called |
| 22:44.31 | tensai | I have some in my cabinet |
| 22:44.48 | goozbach | I got a $50 bonus once because I knew that fact |
| 22:44.58 | goozbach | (when I was a stocker in a grocery store) |
| 22:45.22 | maquis | goozbach: that's a random way to get a bonus |
| 22:45.42 | tensai | it took us a while to find it at the store. you get strange looks when asking where the MSG is. |
| 22:47.10 | levi | The L-glutamate stuff is found in all sorts of fermented products like soy sauce, steak sauce, worchestershire sauce, etc. So lots of things have the same chemical compounds in them even if they don't have pure MSG added. |
| 22:47.24 | goozbach | tensai: that was the point my boss was trying to make ( you should know where EVERYTHING in the store is ) |
| 22:47.38 | goozbach | he tried to stump us. |
| 22:47.41 | elg | and lots of things have various sugars naturally occuring |
| 22:47.52 | maquis | goozbach: what other things did he ask for? |
| 22:48.05 | tensai | levi: I've heard that a lot of people who complain of msg-related illness don't notice the effect with naturally occurring msg. |
| 22:48.13 | tensai | goozbach: I should have shopped at your store :) |
| 22:48.14 | elg | but if you load something up with sucrose or glucose (corn syrup) you're just masking |
| 22:48.33 | goozbach | maquis: I don't remember |
| 22:48.39 | elg | you take something unhealthy and disgusting and add sugar to make it more unhealthy and only slightly disgusting |
| 22:48.48 | levi | tensai: MSG is extracted from natural stuff, it's not synthesized. Maybe it's just a matter of quantity. |
| 22:48.49 | goozbach | I was the only one who knew where everything he asked about was. |
| 22:48.54 | tensai | elg: the analogy is perfect |
| 22:49.18 | goozbach | I only remeber the |
| 22:49.29 | goozbach | MSG because I earned me $50 |
| 22:49.33 | maquis | :) |
| 22:49.38 | elg | levi: where natural stuff is farming bacteria |
| 22:50.29 | elg | which isn't inherently bad, but it's not like picking flowers wearing tie-dyed t-shirts |
| 22:50.57 | bmidgley | rattlesnake venom is natural |
| 22:50.58 | levi | elg: Fermentation is a pretty well-established and natural food process. |
| 22:51.23 | tensai | you'd have a hard time getting drunk without it |
| 22:51.31 | elg | i don't contend it |
| 22:51.44 | levi | tensai: Or making bread. |
| 22:52.00 | tensai | or soy sauce, which I really want to do |
| 22:52.02 | elg | i encourage it frequently, when making bread |
| 22:52.58 | levi | Flavoring something with soy sauce will probably give you as much glutamate as you'd get with something enhanced with extracted MSG. |
| 22:53.05 | elg | but which is "better"? "natural" leaven (sourdough, etc.) or "manufactured" leaven (baker's yeast)? philosophical and religious arguments abound, but I find sourdough just tastes better. more complex, more "real" |
| 22:53.28 | tensai | elg: I find sourdough costs less, which is a huge plus in my book |
| 22:53.33 | elg | and that |
| 22:53.43 | levi | elg: Sure, I'm not saying that MSG is the pinnacle of food. |
| 22:53.44 | maquis | and i find that manufactured leaven is usually someplace in my house |
| 22:54.10 | elg | right, and I'm not saying it's the pinnacle of evil. I find when I avoid it, I am led to superior alternatives as a result |
| 22:54.16 | maquis | elg: :) |
| 22:54.29 | maquis | don't you have to feed the sourdough every week or something? |
| 22:54.29 | levi | Just that MSG is not some evil, synthesized chemical devised by the food industry to control our minds. :) |
| 22:55.35 | levi | It's precisely the same stuff that's in more traditional fermented sauces, and it's created in a similar fashion. |
| 22:55.35 | tensai | levi: or is that just what they told you to say, with their mind control drugs? |
| 22:55.51 | levi | tensai: Well, if I was under the influence of said drugs, would I know it? |
| 22:56.30 | sjansen | Only if they wanted to. Do they want you to? |
| 22:56.55 | levi | Not that I'm aware of. Of course, I'm not aware of the drugs at all, either. |
| 22:57.34 | sjansen | Which must mean that they don't want you to know. Ergo, you must be under the influence. |
| 22:58.04 | levi | Gee, I guess I'll have to stop eating MSG foods then. |
| 22:58.11 | levi | Maybe I should avoid that gluten stuff, too. |
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| 22:59.06 | elg | heh. if I thought MSG had mind control powers I'd be out controlling minds instead |
| 22:59.27 | elg | maquis: not if you have a refrigerator |
| 23:00.18 | sjansen | Because they sound similar, "modus tollens" and "tolo" are related in my mind. Which is unfortunate because "tolo" means "foolish" and that adds an inappropriate connotation to "modus tollens". |
| 23:01.12 | elg | for completeness I should point out that even if it does affect my mom and/or me, that wouldn't necessarily be a general statement. my maternal grandmother is allergic to everything, and indeed tomorrow she is going into shoulder surgery without anaesthetic because of it. |
| 23:01.19 | sjansen | I wonder if that's part of the reason I enjoy abusing the rules of logic. |
| 23:01.56 | elg | of course, she's so allergic that I can't take anything she says about things like this seriously so I have no idea whether she feels msg controls her mind or body |
| 23:02.01 | elg | nor do I care to ask |
| 23:02.39 | elg | she'll get high off of perfume at church, or recently-replaced carpet that you can still smell. completely loopy |
| 23:03.17 | elg | this is my legacy. thankfully my dad's family are built like oxes. two aspirin? that has what effect now? take more. |
| 23:03.28 | elg | so I'm pretty well balanced overall. except that hayfever thing |
| 23:05.03 | herlo | elg: oxen :) |
| 23:05.06 | levi | Heh. |
| 23:05.14 | levi | Who takes aspirin anymore? |
| 23:05.15 | elg | ~oxen herlo |
| 23:05.20 | herlo | elg: k |
| 23:05.30 | elg | people built like oxen do. :) it doesn't bother our stomachs |
| 23:05.35 | herlo | elg: I'm an eight oxen woman! |
| 23:05.40 | levi | It's all about the Ibuprofen. |
| 23:05.46 | elg | all these fancy drugs with silly names are for wusses |
| 23:08.16 | tensai | darn straight. little tobacco on the wound and you're good to go. |
| 23:08.51 | elg | ~wound tensai |
| 23:09.07 | elg | anyone going to the midnight showing of the hulk? |
| 23:10.51 | tensai | sounds like a "no" |
| 23:10.58 | levi | Hah. Movies? In the theater? |
| 23:11.17 | elg | i'm home alone and I probably aren't even :) |
| 23:11.28 | elg | i'm too conditioned to go to bed at a reasonable hour |
| 23:11.34 | tensai | elg: why are you watching "Home Alone"??? |
| 23:11.45 | tensai | sick. just sick. |
| 23:12.18 | levi | Man, I'm never home alone. Where'd the rest of your family go? |
| 23:12.37 | elg | utahr |
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| 23:12.51 | levi | How come you didn't go? |
| 23:12.53 | elg | i've been catching up on all the movies my wife doesn't want to watch this week |
| 23:13.13 | elg | staying here to be productive, and to save $$ |
| 23:13.46 | levi | I don't think my wife would even consider going on vacation without me at this point. |
| 23:13.57 | levi | Though I think she's gradually warming up to the idea. |
| 23:14.34 | tensai | my wife has taken off to her mom's house a few times. usually about once a year, but that's probably at an end now that we have one in school. |
| 23:15.32 | elg | generally we don't. the most we've been apart is when I've gone to conferences for 5 daysish, except one 2-week vacation she took with her family to texas when we lived in utah, and now this 2-week vacation she's on |
| 23:15.38 | levi | My in-laws aren't too far away, so there's no need to stay away from home to visit them. |
| 23:16.02 | elg | it's pretty odd, being alone. kind of boring. no, a lot boring. |
| 23:16.18 | elg | i've never lived alone, either. always with family until i got married. |
| 23:17.08 | maquis | argh... this is frustrating |
| 23:17.09 | elg | so that adds to the weirdness factor. but i'm flexible. and I can't really go too much more insane than I already am... |
| 23:17.21 | levi | I never lived completely alone, always had roommates. But I could always just close myself in my room and be alone. |
| 23:17.21 | elg | maquis: are you trying to break amazon again? |
| 23:17.30 | maquis | elg: no |
| 23:17.36 | maquis | just trying to agree with a teammate on something |
| 23:17.58 | elg | don't. teammates are irrational and illogical. just get your ray gun and get it over with |
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| 23:18.34 | goozbach | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:18.34 | elg | goozbach: :) |
| 23:18.47 | goozbach | I would *LOVE* a week of time to myself |
| 23:18.55 | levi | Amen to that. :) |
| 23:19.18 | goozbach | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:19.23 | elg | i shouldn't be bored, I can always find something to do on my own. it's just the fact that I am alone and can't escape it that makes me bored. I'm sure if it was prolonged I'd get used to it and be completely unbored |
| 23:20.01 | elg | don't worry, 5 years is small compared to the years ahead. before long you too will be indoctrinated |
| 23:20.38 | jsmith | goozbach: Amen to that! |
| 23:21.06 | elg | (not that I didn't also look forward to the time alone, and not that I'm not enjoying it in spite of myself) |
| 23:21.38 | levi | My wife thinks that a week away from home sounds downright scary or something. |
| 23:22.42 | levi | Anyway, time to head home. |
| 23:24.32 | goozbach | should head home as well |
| 23:24.39 | goozbach | I'm working from home tomorrow! |
| 23:24.40 | goozbach | yay! |
| 23:28.26 | jsmith | goozbach: I'm working from home tomorrow too! |
| 23:28.38 | jsmith | goozbach: (and today, and yesterday) :-p |
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