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| 02:18.57 | Supaplex | -excuse |
| 02:18.57 | brac | Your parity check is overdrawn and you're out of cache. |
| 02:19.09 | Supaplex | hehe |
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| 02:27.48 | levi | Yo. |
| 02:30.24 | RyanE | howdy. |
| 02:32.18 | elg | encryptz: (re your blog) so let me get this straight, NFS would be ok but not a filesystem that might get fragmented? |
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| 02:45.26 | Supaplex | but nfs is a protocol. it'll need something else to get files off of |
| 02:47.33 | elg | well obviously it would have a filesystem |
| 02:48.11 | elg | i'm just curious under what circumstances the performance hit of fragmentation matters but the performance hit of a networked filesystem doesn't (not to mention all of the other problems that NFS introduces) |
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| 03:08.47 | levi | elg: When you have a horribly, horribly fragmented filesystem and an ultra-fast, low-latency network? |
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| 03:10.31 | Supaplex | ~lart mosquito |
| 03:10.31 | ibot | slaps mosquito around with a large trout |
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| 03:12.48 | elg | levi: if it was sufficiently fragmented and the network was sufficiently fast, I could agree |
| 03:12.54 | elg | but I find either situation to be implausible |
| 03:12.58 | elg | let alone both at the same time |
| 03:13.25 | elg | he says he doesn't have one computer that can play nfs server, which implies that he's got laptops |
| 03:13.51 | elg | and laptops tend to use wireless |
| 03:14.10 | elg | and I can tell you that no amount of fragmentation is going to ruin drive performance so much that it approaches the slowness of 802.11g |
| 03:15.03 | elg | i'm also curious what I'm not understanding about the 4k multiple limitation |
| 03:15.58 | elg | maybe i'm misunderstanding, maybe he's misspeaking. definitely I'm too lazy to look it up, but to me "multiple of 4k" just means you will perhaps lose up to almost 4k of space |
| 03:16.27 | elg | which hardly seems significant on a terabyte drive. but i'm probably misunderstanding what he means |
| 03:18.00 | harleypi1 | convert 177 kph to mph |
| 03:18.00 | harleypi1 | ~convert 177 kph to mph |
| 03:19.25 | elg | anyway, i continue to contend that hfs+ is the best option, and I continue to hope to be shown a better option |
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| 03:24.00 | harleypig | ~convert 54000 kilograms to pounds |
| 03:24.19 | harleypig | ~convert 90000 kilograms to pounds |
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| 05:16.07 | encryptz | elg: it's not about speed primarily. that's a second thought. i'm concerned about maintenance and data integrity |
| 05:17.22 | Sargun | See. |
| 05:25.24 | encryptz | zfs looks like a good option, but mac os x only has read-only support |
| 05:29.18 | sontek | any of you guys use irssi proxy with xchat before? it connects but then when I try to join a channel it says "not connected to server" |
| 05:29.21 | sontek | but if I close xchat, it says "You are connected to 1 irc networks" |
| 05:31.38 | sontek | hmm, worked that time |
| 05:31.46 | sontek | dunno what was messed up |
| 05:33.10 | sontek | nice |
| 05:33.19 | sontek | I like the proxy =) |
| 05:33.24 | Sargun | /quit |
| 05:33.31 | Hhhhh | hello |
| 05:35.00 | Sargun | Hhhhh, Hello |
| 05:35.06 | Sargun | Share the Hs |
| 05:35.41 | Hhhhh | no, they are all mine |
| 05:35.45 | Hhhhh | how's Utah? |
| 05:35.59 | Hhhhh | I'll be visiting at the end of the month |
| 05:36.17 | sontek | now that i'm irssi proxy with xchat, its showing all your guys messages with + in front of them in irssi |
| 05:36.46 | Sargun | Hhhhh, Very...Utahnian |
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| 06:52.20 | findlay | Sargun is very Californan |
| 06:56.42 | Sargun | findlay is very idiotic. |
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| 07:49.36 | luksh | lets see if this works |
| 07:49.43 | luksh | hey sargun does this work! |
| 07:50.47 | Sargun | ? |
| 07:50.50 | Sargun | what |
| 07:51.00 | luksh | it works! |
| 07:51.10 | luksh | what am i using? |
| 07:51.16 | luksh | bird |
| 07:51.19 | luksh | pidjin! |
| 07:51.21 | luksh | it works |
| 07:51.28 | luksh | it totally is like yayyy irc |
| 07:51.29 | luksh | whoaaa |
| 07:51.40 | luksh | and then its all like rawwrr with the freenode |
| 07:51.43 | luksh | and then it works |
| 07:51.49 | Sargun | heh. |
| 07:51.49 | luksh | ~ dance |
| 07:51.54 | Sargun | ? |
| 07:51.55 | luksh | ~dance |
| 07:52.03 | Sargun | ~die |
| 07:52.04 | ibot | ACTION takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless. |
| 07:52.08 | Sargun | excellent |
| 07:52.10 | luksh | why is ibot not dancing |
| 07:52.14 | luksh | make ibot dance! |
| 07:52.17 | luksh | ~die |
| 07:52.18 | ibot | ACTION takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless. |
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| 12:25.29 | goozbach | ~get on up! |
| 12:25.32 | ibot | ACTION fetches on up! |
| 12:58.24 | goozbach | and dance! |
| 13:01.13 | nick125 | must...get...image...out...of...head |
| 13:27.26 | Sargun_screen | Who is going to the WWDC? |
| 13:28.11 | goozbach | you? |
| 13:28.42 | Sargun_screen | goozbach: Do you think I'm sick? ;-P |
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| 13:35.34 | goozbach | redbeard2! |
| 13:35.47 | goozbach | calling me out as being unresponsive. |
| 13:35.58 | goozbach | I should post a blog entry about that... someday. |
| 13:36.01 | goozbach | :) |
| 13:36.07 | redbeard2 | ~lart goozbach |
| 13:36.07 | ibot | beats goozbach senseless with a 50lb Unix manual |
| 13:36.13 | redbeard2 | ha ha! |
| 13:37.39 | Migs | OH SWEET! http://lifehacker.com/394597/firenes-brings-2000-nes-games-to-your-browser |
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| 13:55.08 | Sargun_screen | Migs: hey boy. |
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| 14:50.43 | elg | -chat that's life |
| 14:50.43 | brac | that's life :) |
| 14:50.51 | elg | you can smile, you're a bot |
| 14:51.27 | elg | so my wife is in utah on a two week trip. my brother announces his wedding (in utah) on july 16 |
| 14:52.00 | elg | the affordable thing to do is she stay up there and I fly up. one ticket is cheaper than driving |
| 14:57.56 | Migs | people often do selfish things when it comes to weddings |
| 14:58.43 | Migs | hey Sargun, btw |
| 14:58.46 | Migs | what be da haps? |
| 14:58.57 | Migs | I'm in Denver right now, and I'm unimpressed |
| 14:59.03 | Migs | it looks just like Utah, except more ghetto-y |
| 15:06.19 | elg | well i don't mind them having their wedding whenever |
| 15:06.27 | elg | it's just bum luck in the timing |
| 15:07.03 | elg | my philosophy is people can do whatever they want for their wedding and I won't hold it against them, as long as they don't hold it against me if I can't make it, don't wear the right clothes, whatever other social offense |
| 15:12.54 | elg | w00t, i broke 110kg |
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| 15:27.40 | tensai | elg: next stop, 120kg! |
| 15:27.49 | elg | other way silly |
| 15:32.25 | elg | my goal is 100, and I started at a bit over 120, so I guess I'm halfway there |
| 15:32.32 | sjansen | ~weigh tensai |
| 15:35.22 | bonez45 | is it 2.2 kg per pound? |
| 15:35.25 | bonez45 | or vice versa? |
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| 15:35.45 | bonez45 | pashdown..... welcome... |
| 15:35.47 | elg | ~convert 110 kg to lb |
| 15:35.55 | bonez45 | our next Senator..eh? |
| 15:36.10 | elg | so vice versa |
| 15:36.21 | pashdown | hola |
| 15:36.22 | bonez45 | ~convert 220 lb to kg |
| 15:36.29 | bonez45 | thanks... |
| 15:36.53 | bonez45 | elg same goal I have...to reach 100 kg |
| 15:38.27 | Sargun_screen | Alright, that sucked. |
| 15:38.37 | elg | it might have been a vacuum then |
| 15:40.48 | jsmith | Howdy pashdown... how's life in Utah? |
| 15:41.05 | elg | -metar |
| 15:41.06 | brac | KLRU 091533Z AUTO 35010KT 10SM CLR 29/M03 A3004 RMK AO2 |
| 15:41.09 | pashdown | great weather lately |
| 15:41.58 | bonez45 | what's new at Xmission? |
| 15:44.32 | Sargun_screen | Xmission is amazing. |
| 15:44.34 | Sargun_screen | (not) |
| 15:45.08 | elg | congratulations, you sound just like a teenager |
| 15:45.20 | tensai | Sargun_screen. voice of authority. |
| 15:45.43 | Sargun_screen | Heh. |
| 15:45.50 | Sargun_screen | That was what I was going for. |
| 15:46.00 | Sargun_screen | pashdown: You work at Xmission? |
| 15:46.08 | elg | pashdown is xmission |
| 15:46.09 | goozbach | spit-takes |
| 15:46.11 | pashdown | heh |
| 15:46.23 | goozbach | fruit salad all over my keyboard |
| 15:46.25 | Sargun_screen | Oh, Xmissions is a sentient life form? |
| 15:46.40 | pashdown | more or less |
| 15:46.56 | Sargun_screen | Neat. |
| 15:46.59 | goozbach | Sargun_screen: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pete_Ashdown |
| 15:47.20 | Sargun_screen | Oh. |
| 15:47.21 | Sargun_screen | Doh. |
| 15:47.46 | tensai | steve_jobs: you work at Apple? wow, since when? |
| 15:48.18 | Sargun_screen | tensai: Hey. :-( Who am I to remember the CEO of Xmission |
| 15:48.22 | Sargun_screen | I'm in bright california |
| 15:48.25 | pashdown | no worries |
| 15:48.29 | Sargun_screen | We get bandwidth everywhere except the last mile. |
| 15:48.35 | pashdown | heh |
| 15:48.36 | Sargun_screen | I hate the phone company. |
| 15:48.42 | pashdown | i do too! |
| 15:48.50 | elg | ~mosh |
| 15:48.52 | ibot | ACTION bodyslams you to Danzig's "Mother"! |
| 15:49.10 | tensai | Sargun_screen: they don't care. they don't have to. :) |
| 15:49.14 | Sargun_screen | I can go to my CO and get a GigE of BW (the local MetroE loop passes through there) |
| 15:49.20 | goozbach | Sargun_screen: you've been in this channel long enough to know of the life of the "old timers" |
| 15:49.23 | Sargun_screen | tensai: The phone company loves money. |
| 15:49.58 | Sargun_screen | Heh. |
| 15:51.04 | bonez45 | Sargun_screen: more precisely, they love a constant revenue stream.....and like that stream to be assured....unending....and growing... |
| 15:51.19 | Sargun_screen | They especially hate freedom. |
| 15:52.17 | Sargun_screen | pashdown: So when are you guys going national? ;-P |
| 15:52.33 | elg | they used to serve me in new mexico |
| 15:52.38 | elg | then they abandoned me |
| 15:52.40 | Sargun_screen | They don't anymore |
| 15:52.49 | Sargun_screen | Apparently it costs them too much. |
| 15:53.03 | Sargun_screen | I'd like to see them compete with sonic.net and dslextreme |
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| 15:53.31 | Sargun_screen | I'm here! |
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| 15:53.59 | Sargun_screen | pashdown: Does Xmission still run an open peering policy? |
| 15:54.10 | bonez45 | what is open peering? |
| 15:54.24 | Sargun_screen | Its when you will exchange bandwidth with anyone for free on an IX |
| 15:54.47 | Sargun_screen | its like, instead of charging each other for the bits that go between each other you shake hands and say let's screw our customers instead ;-P |
| 15:54.49 | pashdown | yeah, but we're pulling out of PAIX, so the locations are limited |
| 15:54.50 | fozzmoo | It's socialism! |
| 15:54.55 | fozzmoo | (I'm kidding.) |
| 15:55.03 | Sargun_screen | Aw. |
| 15:55.21 | pashdown | blame other isp's and a lack of open peering |
| 15:55.25 | Sargun_screen | pashdown: is bandwidth that cheap that peering doesn't matter anymore? |
| 15:55.28 | bonez45 | huh? |
| 15:55.37 | pashdown | that is what killed our paix connection |
| 15:55.59 | pashdown | it is cheaper for us to buy a 10G connection from a provider than us to run a DS3 to PAIX |
| 15:56.00 | Sargun_screen | Then again I'm sure the fiber wasn't cheap either |
| 15:56.09 | Sargun_screen | Yeah, you guys are in Utah |
| 15:56.14 | Sargun_screen | Are there any IXs in Utah? |
| 15:56.38 | pashdown | there was one called the UtahREP which has sort of virtualized with UTOPIA |
| 15:56.48 | fozzmoo | cheers |
| 15:56.53 | Sargun_screen | Neato. |
| 15:57.04 | Sargun_screen | So you sorta own/run it indirectly? |
| 15:57.46 | pashdown | directly |
| 15:58.06 | Sargun_screen | Hehe. |
| 15:58.21 | Sargun_screen | wonders why VMware sent someone to NANOG |
| 15:58.39 | Sargun_screen | I don't see Xmission on that list :-/ |
| 15:59.08 | pashdown | at nanog? |
| 15:59.24 | pashdown | we periodically go, but it hasn't been a priority |
| 15:59.32 | Sargun_screen | But its always fun. |
| 16:00.11 | tensai | fun isn't always in the business plan |
| 16:01.00 | Sargun_screen | Good point |
| 16:01.03 | elg | i think i'll quit school and become a charter pilot in the alaskan bush |
| 16:01.39 | Sargun_screen | Fun, Cheap, and useful. |
| 16:02.24 | Sargun_screen | Drunk network engineers are always useful. |
| 16:04.39 | tensai | elg: that was one of my dream jobs in high school |
| 16:05.41 | pashdown | drunk network engineer? |
| 16:06.01 | Sargun_screen | pashdown: I assume you know about the Beer & Gear event? |
| 16:06.17 | pashdown | aye, it has been over a decade since i went to a nanog myself |
| 16:06.38 | Sargun_screen | Oh. |
| 16:06.52 | Sargun_screen | Anyways, you usually get something fairly interesting at the beer and gear. |
| 16:07.35 | Sargun_screen | Last time (42) someone hijacked a fairly large block, and started injecting /30s /29s /28s and /27s into the BGP table |
| 16:08.00 | Sargun_screen | And someone was advertising AS7007. |
| 16:08.10 | pashdown | awesomeness |
| 16:08.11 | levi | Good morning. |
| 16:12.31 | Sargun | Morning |
| 16:13.26 | harleypig | http://www.frightcatalog.com/Halloween-Costumes/Happy-Clown-Mask-1203013/ |
| 16:29.56 | sjansen | levi: Prove it. |
| 16:30.22 | sjansen | ~flood pashdown |
| 16:30.23 | ibot | ACTION blasts pashdown with a huge firehose then strangles pashdown with it |
| 16:30.31 | maquis | hmmm |
| 16:30.32 | pashdown | huh wha? |
| 16:30.33 | sjansen | Ah, I was hoping for a packet flood. |
| 16:30.38 | maquis | someone said something to me, but i wasn't around |
| 16:31.30 | sjansen | maquis: `Twas brillig, and the slithy toves Did gyre and gimble in the wabe; All mimsy were the borogoves, And the mome raths outgrabe. |
| 16:31.55 | harleypig | hopefully, that was the last mimsy ... |
| 16:33.05 | maquis | sjansen: thanks |
| 16:33.06 | sjansen | ~apologize to pashdown |
| 16:33.07 | ibot | ACTION jbot says he's very very sorry for everything and that sjansen made him do it and it wasn't his fault. |
| 16:33.22 | harleypig | who's jbot? |
| 16:33.55 | maquis | harleypig: don't mind ibot... he's got multiple personalities... |
| 16:34.19 | sjansen | I think you mean, she's got multiple personalities. |
| 16:34.23 | sjansen | ~gender |
| 16:34.23 | ibot | I'm gay |
| 16:34.35 | sjansen | ibot: No, no I wanted _gender_ |
| 16:34.39 | sjansen | ~gender |
| 16:34.40 | ibot | I'm lesbian |
| 16:34.52 | maquis | sjansen: he/she/it is confused |
| 16:34.54 | sjansen | ibot: I _still_ wanted _gender_ |
| 16:34.55 | ibot | You _still_ wanted _gender_? |
| 16:34.55 | Jayce^ | sjansen, we're learning so much about you.. |
| 16:34.55 | maquis | ~gender |
| 16:34.56 | ibot | I'm sexless |
| 16:35.05 | sjansen | ~gender |
| 16:35.06 | ibot | I'm female |
| 16:35.12 | sjansen | There, I win! |
| 16:35.22 | maquis | ~gender |
| 16:35.23 | ibot | I'm not sure |
| 16:36.12 | sjansen | Wow, for just $600 I could look like a penguin. http://www.frightcatalog.com/Halloween-Costumes/Mascot-Costumes/Penguin-Mascot-Costume-1112014/ |
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| 16:40.23 | harleypig | ~gender harleypig |
| 16:40.24 | ibot | I heard harleypig is hermaphroditic. |
| 16:40.26 | maquis | 600$ to look like a penguin? |
| 16:40.37 | harleypig | ~gender #utah |
| 16:40.38 | ibot | I heard #utah is pregnant. |
| 16:40.43 | harleypig | ... |
| 16:40.45 | WoodsDog | If you guys were going to build a storage server for home use, with lots of space, how would you do it? meaing, harware raid card, software raid? lvm? |
| 16:41.00 | unum | hardware raid |
| 16:41.41 | WoodsDog | one of my issues with hardware raid, is it's not really future expandable. I have to buy all of my drives now.. |
| 16:41.51 | WoodsDog | i think that 750GB is the sweet spot |
| 16:42.11 | fozzmoo | WoodsDog! |
| 16:42.15 | WoodsDog | :) |
| 16:42.18 | sjansen | WoodsDog: Cheap hardware RAID isn't worth it. If you can't afford high end hardware RAID, Linux software RAID is very good. |
| 16:42.38 | WoodsDog | i'm running 3ware ide at home now |
| 16:42.50 | fozzmoo | WoodsDog: I agree... software RAID in Linux is no different than a cheap SATA RAID card. |
| 16:43.06 | WoodsDog | what do you consider high end hardware? |
| 16:43.08 | fozzmoo | E.g. Silicon Image. |
| 16:43.13 | sjansen | Linux software RAID lets you start with RAID-1, add a drive and convert to RAID-5 add a drive and convert to RAID-6 all online. |
| 16:43.16 | fozzmoo | LSI Logic, 3Ware, Areca |
| 16:43.30 | harleypig | http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1558,1964064,00.asp |
| 16:43.32 | fozzmoo | Those would be "high end" |
| 16:43.33 | harleypig | What about this? |
| 16:43.35 | WoodsDog | k..then we are on the same page... |
| 16:44.09 | harleypig | err ... wrong link |
| 16:44.12 | sjansen | Cheap hardware RAID is build like WinModems, Instead of 100% dedicated silicon, it offloads part of the work back to the CPU. Which means it would've been better to do all the work on the CPU to begin with. |
| 16:44.38 | fozzmoo | This page, http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html explains what is "realraid" and what is "fakeraid" |
| 16:44.39 | WoodsDog | sjansen, that makes sense... |
| 16:45.05 | fozzmoo | has 8 drives RAID1'd in his home server. |
| 16:45.14 | WoodsDog | raid 1? |
| 16:45.21 | fozzmoo | 4 500G, 2 250G, and 2 320G |
| 16:45.24 | fozzmoo | Yeah- mirrored. |
| 16:45.36 | fozzmoo | I think, for the next revision, I'll go RAID5 |
| 16:45.58 | WoodsDog | i have 5 400GB in 3ware raid 5 right now |
| 16:46.00 | fozzmoo | it's nice, tho, to have all my kids' DVDs on the network. |
| 16:46.03 | WoodsDog | but i want more space |
| 16:46.20 | fozzmoo | I don't have to worry about them touching the DVDs. :) |
| 16:46.26 | WoodsDog | that's why i'm contemplating which way to go... |
| 16:46.47 | WoodsDog | gshipley: you here? how is unraid going? |
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| 16:47.03 | goozbach | WoodsDog: hardware or software RAID on the lowest level |
| 16:47.12 | levi | Why back up a bunch of DVD rips if you've got the DVDs still? |
| 16:47.17 | goozbach | but you'll ALWAYS want to put LVM on top |
| 16:47.21 | goozbach | LVM++ |
| 16:47.28 | fozzmoo | goozbach: agreed. |
| 16:47.37 | goozbach | lvm makes expansion MUCHO EAS |
| 16:47.38 | fozzmoo | makes it super easy to expand your volumes. |
| 16:47.38 | goozbach | Yo |
| 16:47.45 | goozbach | mucho easyo |
| 16:47.48 | fozzmoo | hwh. |
| 16:47.49 | fozzmoo | heh |
| 16:48.13 | fozzmoo | I want a shirt that says that. |
| 16:48.18 | fozzmoo | MUCHO EASYO |
| 16:48.43 | goozbach | mucho EASYO |
| 16:49.16 | sjansen | ~burrito goozbach |
| 16:50.01 | mrpull | is the Steve Note going to be streamed?\ |
| 16:50.01 | sjansen | WoodsDog: WoodsDog == Matt Woods? |
| 16:50.12 | WoodsDog | its me, stuart |
| 16:50.41 | sjansen | How's Novell treating you? |
| 16:51.04 | WoodsDog | treating me well...thanks. how's life with you? |
| 16:51.30 | sjansen | Not bad, not bad. |
| 16:51.53 | sjansen | There's been a lot of changes since you left. |
| 16:53.20 | sjansen | Insurance is back. Decent 401k. Lot's of time off. If you spend two or more weeks in a row on the road, you get the next entire week payed time off. |
| 16:53.35 | sjansen | We're up to 13 instructors, 14 as of next week. |
| 16:57.00 | Jayce^ | mrpull, dunno, I'm following via two sites, and IRC :) |
| 16:57.21 | Jayce^ | sjansen, insurance is *back*??? |
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| 16:57.48 | mrpull | Jayce^: what is the hip IRC room to join? |
| 16:57.57 | jsmith | mrpull: My question exactly ;-) |
| 16:59.02 | mrpull | engadget usually does a good job summarizing |
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| 17:01.00 | sjansen | Jayce^: The joy of working for a very small company. |
| 17:01.13 | sjansen | Insurance reform isn't just for poor people anymore. |
| 17:01.58 | sjansen | We were small enough that the group plan was unsustainable. Thankfully we've grown enough to get decent rates again. |
| 17:02.14 | sjansen | Well.. I should say, less sucky rates. |
| 17:08.00 | Jayce^ | ##wwdc |
| 17:08.10 | thaddeusq | sjansen: 401k? Wow! Things have changed. |
| 17:08.39 | WoodsDog | thad's on! |
| 17:08.54 | thaddeusq | WoodsDog: Just like old times. :) |
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| 17:09.32 | sjansen | We also have a planned travel schedule now. You might not know where you'll be going, but you know a quarter ahead of time when you'll be travelling. |
| 17:10.06 | thaddeusq | sjansen: That would have been nice. Be able to plan evening activities knowing you'll be around. |
| 17:11.02 | sjansen | We've been so busy we've had to turn down a lot of travel. If you want to do more than 2 weeks per month, bonuses kick in. But you probably already remember how generous Dax is with travel bonuses when he wants to cover a class. |
| 17:12.15 | sjansen | GL has matured nicely over the last year. We're still hiring if you're interested. ;-) |
| 17:12.42 | levi | Heh, oops. I left wireshark running on a busy network. Fortunately, it stops when it runs out of memory. |
| 17:15.24 | goozbach | misses GL |
| 17:15.43 | thaddeusq | misses lots of things about GL too. |
| 17:15.46 | WoodsDog | misses GL as well... |
| 17:16.00 | goozbach | sjansen: anyone beat my record yet? |
| 17:16.15 | thaddeusq | goozbach: no one will ever beat your record. |
| 17:16.26 | goozbach | wonders how much he would have made if the "travel bonuses" would have been in effect... |
| 17:17.33 | goozbach | anyone know what an "CPU Error 1410" means on a dell poweredge? |
| 17:17.33 | goozbach | s/means/error means/ |
| 17:18.07 | mrpull | goozbach: it means buy HP (or maybe it doesn't) |
| 17:18.37 | goozbach | hp meh |
| 17:18.43 | goozbach | likey dell |
| 17:18.51 | levi | It means 'RMA me!' |
| 17:19.31 | goozbach | whatever it means it hard locks the system |
| 17:19.40 | goozbach | runs memtest for a couple hours |
| 17:20.22 | sjansen | Which record? Consecutive weeks or year total? |
| 17:20.56 | levi | goozbach: Do you have any PCI cards installed? |
| 17:21.04 | goozbach | sjansen: both |
| 17:21.06 | sjansen | goozbach: I think jphall gave you a run for consecutive. He did 6 in a row, or something crazy like that. |
| 17:21.22 | goozbach | 6 in a row, pshasssh |
| 17:21.33 | sjansen | At that was without a wussy Utah county class in the middle. |
| 17:21.40 | goozbach | I was at 12, 14 if you count BYU |
| 17:21.47 | goozbach | no 18 if you count BYU |
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| 17:21.57 | sjansen | Insane. |
| 17:22.02 | goozbach | sjansen: I WAS on the road. HOTEL and everything! |
| 17:22.07 | mrpull | i'm finding http://www.macrumorslive.com/ to be better that ##wwdc |
| 17:22.27 | findlay | haha |
| 17:22.36 | levi | I'm watching http://www.macrumorslive.com/ too. |
| 17:22.38 | sjansen | Yeah, well I was commuting from the same city as your hotel to the office every day. |
| 17:24.56 | sjansen | goozbach: Haven't had anyone leave the office to pack their dirty clothes and catch a surprise flight lately either. |
| 17:25.52 | goozbach | it's funny you know... this current troubleshooting experiance hasn't been much different than getting an old NES to work... (pull something out, blow on the socket, plug it back in, power on) |
| 17:25.52 | sjansen | You deserve a plaque or something. "Hardest Working Caffeine Addict" or something. |
| 17:26.15 | goozbach | I'm tempted to start licking the pci risers. |
| 17:26.51 | sjansen | I know, we'll get a silver grapefruit, call it the goozbach and hand it out yearly to the instructor that spends the most weeks on the road. |
| 17:28.17 | goozbach | I'd like to be there to do the presentation. "this year's 'goozbach' goes to... <drumroll>... <NAME>! |
| 17:28.20 | goozbach | " |
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| 17:40.20 | elg | foo² |
| 17:40.28 | elg | -chat if there |
| 17:40.28 | brac | if there are... but there doesn't look like it |
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| 17:50.43 | gshipley | WoodsDog: unraid is going great |
| 17:50.47 | gshipley | WoodsDog: no problems with it so far |
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| 18:32.16 | mrpull | so here comes the next gen iphone.... |
| 18:32.18 | mrpull | in 3 |
| 18:32.19 | mrpull | 2 |
| 18:32.24 | Jayce^ | yup :) |
| 18:32.26 | mrpull | well... maybe not quite yet |
| 18:32.38 | Jayce^ | now, as long as I can go get one today.... |
| 18:32.51 | mrpull | june 29? |
| 18:33.27 | mrpull | with all the talk of iphone 2.0, i figured they couldn't call it iPhone 2 |
| 18:33.39 | mrpull | but iPhone 3G is boooring |
| 18:34.13 | findlay | how about iPhone ][? :-) |
| 18:34.36 | findlay | iPhone ][e |
| 18:34.44 | mrpull | findlay++ |
| 18:38.35 | Jayce^ | gs |
| 18:38.53 | mrpull | with Oregon Trail |
| 18:38.58 | findlay | yeah |
| 18:40.01 | peno | and LOGO |
| 18:40.13 | mrpull | anybody use google reader? |
| 18:40.42 | mrpull | Go Contra cheat code |
| 18:42.52 | mrpull | if they can pull off voice prompted turn by turn gps out of the box... i'll... i dunno... consider replacing my windows mobile phone with tom tom navigator |
| 18:47.07 | Jayce^ | mrpull, yeah |
| 18:49.02 | mrpull | windows mobile has had GPS + google maps for quite some time... too bad apple doesn't up the ante with voice guidance :) |
| 18:49.49 | mrpull | then again, the phone carriers are charging 10 buck a month for that software on their other phones |
| 18:51.37 | nick125 | breaks his plone install some more |
| 18:55.30 | findlay | anybody know where I can get one of those plastic fresnel lens sheets locally? |
| 18:57.09 | mrpull | findlay: what dimensions? |
| 18:57.47 | findlay | mrpull: letter sized would be perfect |
| 18:58.03 | findlay | or maybe a little smaller would also work |
| 18:58.29 | mrpull | i've seen narrower strip like ones at drug stores |
| 18:58.42 | mrpull | the kind you slide over small text |
| 18:58.50 | mrpull | letter size is pretty big. |
| 18:58.57 | mrpull | maybe Utah Idaho Map Supply? |
| 19:07.31 | goozbach | ok that was funny... host 10.0.0.167 was on line 167 in .ssh/known_hosts |
| 19:08.43 | findlay | goozbach: the fates will smile upon you today |
| 19:08.48 | jsmith | goozbach: Lucky you ;-) |
| 19:09.13 | jsmith | goozbach: That's what you get from not drooling over the new iPhone |
| 19:09.37 | nick125 | spits |
| 19:40.52 | tensai | gives nick125 a ticket for spitting in a no spitting zone |
| 19:41.43 | findlay | I want a free ticket |
| 19:42.17 | tensai | gives findlay a ticket to ride |
| 19:44.56 | tensai | how do I get my 3 year old to poop in the potty? |
| 19:49.06 | findlay | I love being clever |
| 19:52.18 | jsmith | tensai: Let them run around the house naked... after a couple of days of seeing the mess they make (and getting yelled at for it), they'll go in the potty |
| 19:52.59 | tensai | jsmith: I've tried yelling. I've tried showing him the poo. he doesn't like either, but he still won't do it. |
| 19:53.25 | teabeer | tensai: when you find out, let me know and I'll try it with my 4 year old :( |
| 19:53.27 | jsmith | tensai: The diaper makes it too convenient for him |
| 19:53.59 | tensai | jsmith: he wears underpants. he'll pee in the potty just fine. a few accidents, but does well for the most part. |
| 19:54.25 | tensai | and I'm sure he knows when he's pooping because he'll go and hide. under the bed, in the corner, etc. |
| 19:54.32 | jsmith | tensai: Hmmmmn... that's a tough one |
| 19:54.52 | jsmith | tensai: Both of my kids didn't have any problem with potty training, so I don't know what to tell you there |
| 19:54.58 | teabeer | tensai: we've tried an incremental rewards system |
| 19:55.17 | teabeer | where you get candy if you go in the hallway... then in the bathroom, then on the toilet... |
| 19:55.35 | findlay | heh |
| 19:55.37 | teabeer | it has failed so far, like everything else, so... |
| 19:55.41 | teabeer | shrugs |
| 19:55.51 | tensai | teabeer: incremental, eh? ours has been all or nothing. |
| 19:56.07 | findlay | maybe threaten to take away their XO? :) |
| 19:56.22 | teabeer | for awhile we had her going in her pullup in the bathroom fairly consistently |
| 19:57.07 | teabeer | so there was some progress... but I think we've just given up |
| 19:57.20 | teabeer | she'll be wearing depends to her graduation |
| 19:58.51 | teabeer | we've tried some pretty big bribes |
| 19:59.29 | levi | Heh. I haven't tried potty training yet, by my oldest is just barely 2. |
| 19:59.33 | teabeer | and some pretty big rewards for her few successes. |
| 19:59.55 | teabeer | it's awful |
| 20:00.04 | teabeer | especially when you hear people say how easy it is :) |
| 20:01.56 | goozbach | I always wondered why people look at me funny when I say "I can't wait to be a dad" |
| 20:01.59 | tensai | our first did a lot better |
| 20:02.06 | goozbach | this might be one of those reasons. |
| 20:02.25 | levi | My daughter is pretty headstrong, so we'll see how it goes when we get there, but I'm not looking forward to it. |
| 20:04.02 | levi | goozbach: There are lots of reasons. Like not being able to sleep anymore, not being able to go out anymore, changing diapers, listening to screaming all the time... |
| 20:05.39 | goozbach | but then there's the first time they call you "daddy" |
| 20:05.48 | tensai | goozbach: just think back to all the crazy things you did as a kid and try to imagine yourself as your dad |
| 20:05.54 | goozbach | the roughhousing in the living room |
| 20:06.00 | goozbach | playing catch |
| 20:06.15 | goozbach | holding that perfect little person for the first time. |
| 20:06.43 | goozbach | tensai: heck, I was a pretty calm little kid |
| 20:06.52 | goozbach | didn't do much to get into trouble... |
| 20:06.59 | goozbach | *smirk* |
| 20:07.11 | Sargun | hehe. |
| 20:07.38 | Sargun | goozbach, Did you walk uphill to school both ways? |
| 20:07.59 | goozbach | nah, I only had to walk across the street to school |
| 20:08.07 | goozbach | quite literally. |
| 20:08.31 | goozbach | myhouse - sidewalk - street - sidewalk - school |
| 20:12.23 | goozbach | the only thing my dad had to worry about was weither or not I was going to (burn down | blow up | discolor | otherwise maim) the house |
| 20:12.43 | goozbach | or that time he caught me trying to be a human squrirrel. |
| 20:12.51 | lakshmi | how did that go for you? |
| 20:13.08 | findlay | lakshmi: got human squirrel aspirations? |
| 20:13.12 | goozbach | or that time I took my mom's new blender apart (I was five, and just learned how to run a screwdriver) |
| 20:13.40 | lakshmi | findlay of course, or maybe you could take notes and get on being that human squirrel |
| 20:13.42 | goozbach | for the record, I put it completely back together, and it worked until the motor burned out nearly 6 years later |
| 20:14.24 | goozbach | lakshmi: I duct taped a bedsheet to my wrists and ankles and (attempted to jump) off the top of the house. |
| 20:14.31 | findlay | went after everything from the vacuum cleaner to the garage door opener with a screwdriver :) |
| 20:14.51 | goozbach | my dad came home just as I was preparing for the jump |
| 20:15.04 | lakshmi | that woulda sucked if you actually had jumped |
| 20:15.45 | goozbach | findlay: I did too, after the blender, my dad let me take anything apart, with the stipulation that it had to function when it got put back together, or it was comming out of my hide. |
| 20:23.34 | unum | I was an incredibly boring child |
| 20:23.44 | unum | and have grown up to be an even more boring adlut |
| 20:24.19 | unum | adult |
| 20:24.47 | unum | which is why I can't get a date |
| 20:25.26 | unum | well that and the whole goofy looking thing |
| 20:26.06 | findlay | date, what is that? |
| 20:26.11 | findlay | ~date |
| 20:26.12 | ibot | It is now 2008.06.09 20:26:12 GMT |
| 20:26.16 | tristanbob_ | it is some kind of nut, I think |
| 20:26.32 | findlay | I thought they were like figs |
| 20:26.38 | findlay | except not as dry |
| 20:26.53 | tristanbob_ | I don't know, never seen one |
| 20:28.32 | unum | the title "software engineer" just doesn't work with the ladies as well as I had hoped it would |
| 20:28.58 | fozzmoo | unum: Try "shelf replenishment engineer." |
| 20:29.25 | unum | fozzmoo: I know a couple of those that seem to have way better romatic lives than I do |
| 20:30.00 | unum | my coworkers' have the title "data engineer" |
| 20:30.07 | goozbach | unum: computer guru and all around superhero |
| 20:30.11 | unum | even they make fun of it |
| 20:30.49 | unum | I'm afraid if I use that they'll ask me to come over and help them with their wirelss |
| 20:31.00 | unum | see I can even spell the term let alone make it owrk |
| 20:31.02 | unum | work |
| 20:31.29 | unum | s/can/can't |
| 20:31.58 | unum | maybe I should follows rms' example and get "pleasure cards" made |
| 20:32.07 | unum | oh wait that doesn't work for him either |
| 20:33.16 | unum | http://oreilly.com/openbook/freedom/figs/free_ep10.png <- imagine him reading it |
| 20:33.20 | unum | that was creepy |
| 20:33.28 | unum | fozzmoo was there for that too |
| 20:33.29 | levi | Following RMS's example for most things would be an incredibly bad idea. :P |
| 20:33.56 | fozzmoo | Well, everything about rms was creepy for me. |
| 20:34.13 | levi | Heh. Speaking of dates... |
| 20:35.14 | levi | A former girlfriend of mine just emailed me out of the blue. Turns out she's now an atheist lesbian, in a committed relationship with a partner, and having a baby soon. |
| 20:35.33 | findlay | interesting |
| 20:36.01 | findlay | what did you tell her? |
| 20:36.20 | levi | Nothing, yet. Just got the email with all those details today. |
| 20:37.04 | levi | She was kind of an odd one, anyway. |
| 20:38.02 | dataw0lf | P.S. not all of us atheists are lesbians, I swear. |
| 20:39.00 | levi | A significant number of the atheists I know are lesbians, though. |
| 20:39.06 | findlay | dataw0lf: are you sure? |
| 20:39.23 | dataw0lf | a significant number of the atheists I know are straight. Go figure. |
| 20:39.33 | findlay | figures |
| 20:39.55 | levi | Well, I know a couple of those, too. |
| 20:39.55 | dataw0lf | findlay: I'm positive. |
| 20:40.48 | findlay | I don't know anyone |
| 20:41.12 | findlay | and no one that I know is neither lesbian nor atheist |
| 20:41.48 | findlay | but the and option is wide open :) |
| 20:41.52 | fizz | dataw0lf: you are too a lesbo. |
| 20:41.55 | levi | I wonder if she's into butch girls or feminine girls, though. 'Cause she had a friend while I knew her that was pretty butch and seemed to be really into her, and she was kind of squicked out about it at the time. |
| 20:41.55 | fizz | don't lie. |
| 20:42.10 | unum | http://catb.org/~esr/writings/sextips/ <- I should be more carefull when surfing |
| 20:42.35 | dataw0lf | fizz: Trysexual. |
| 20:42.37 | levi | I've got a tip for you. Don't take romantic advice from total dweebs. |
| 20:42.44 | fizz | dataw0lf: o rite. |
| 20:43.02 | tensai | also, don't take dweeb advice from total romatics |
| 20:43.23 | unum | are you saying rms and esr are off the list? how about perens? |
| 20:43.54 | levi | tensai: Well, 'total romantic' doesn't imply any actual success at romance, and a lot of total romantics are probably total dweebs as well. |
| 20:44.20 | dataw0lf | woooooooo BDD + Django ftw. |
| 20:44.52 | findlay | ~lart all programmers that ever though audio feedback was a good idea |
| 20:44.52 | ibot | --purges all programmers that ever though audio feedback was a good idea |
| 20:45.14 | nick125 | BDD? |
| 20:45.27 | harleypig | big damn doobie |
| 20:45.35 | findlay | big drastic door |
| 20:46.04 | unum | big dumb dork |
| 20:46.25 | levi | I'm guessing he means Behavior Driven Development. |
| 20:46.45 | nick125 | What about JGID? |
| 20:46.49 | nick125 | Just Get It Done. |
| 20:46.51 | unum | so it's add? |
| 20:46.53 | levi | Which is kind of an offshoot of Test Driven Development. |
| 20:47.16 | levi | nick125: Clearly you're not a proper Software Engineer. |
| 20:47.23 | findlay | haha |
| 20:47.48 | nick125 | levi: Who cares about how proper it is if you get it done? |
| 20:48.19 | levi | nick125: Okay, so you're not a proper Software Engineer and you're also an idiot. But you're young; hopefully you'll grow out of it before you create too many messes. |
| 20:48.28 | nick125 | I bet that people spend more time learning about these "techniques" than it actually saves. |
| 20:48.46 | harleypig | levi: grow out of programming or being an idiot? |
| 20:48.52 | levi | harleypig: Maybe both. |
| 20:48.54 | findlay | levi: so now you've succumbed to the deceptive software engineer terminology :) |
| 20:49.13 | findlay | levi: pretty soon you'll be calling programming in C# computer science |
| 20:49.15 | levi | findlay: Just because I know about it doesn't mean I've succumbed to it. |
| 20:49.22 | unum | I like FAD: Front Ahead Design |
| 20:49.30 | unum | http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/FrontAhead-Design.aspx |
| 20:51.22 | unum | btw that artilce was posted on april 1st for those of you that didn't catch on from the name |
| 20:51.44 | unum | the sad thing is how well it matches my own development techniques |
| 20:51.56 | unum | needs to find a better job where he'll learn better habbits |
| 20:52.48 | dataw0lf | BDD, aye, Behavior Driven Development |
| 20:52.51 | tensai | elg: limit.conf didn't make a difference, but it appears this -rt kernel does |
| 20:53.04 | elg | cool |
| 20:53.16 | elg | there's no doubt about it, on my laptop the -rt kernel is terrible and the -generic kernel is solid |
| 20:53.22 | dataw0lf | I'm working on a version of pyspec (a derivative of RSpec for Python), and just got it hooked into the Django test framework. |
| 20:53.27 | elg | first time I've seen it, though I'm not incredulous |
| 20:53.33 | elg | it's all dark voodoo, relaly |
| 20:54.18 | levi | dataw0lf: You must be wasting tremendous amounts of time! Why in the world didn't you Just Get It Done?! |
| 20:54.33 | nick125 | Exactly. |
| 20:54.56 | dataw0lf | Oh you know. I like to Get It Done Right. |
| 20:55.14 | levi | (Note to the idiots in the audience: My previous line was written with tongue firmly in cheek) |
| 20:55.19 | findlay | there is no Right |
| 20:55.21 | dataw0lf | (I know ;-)) |
| 20:55.28 | dataw0lf | There are degrees of right. |
| 20:55.39 | findlay | there is only Getting It Done |
| 20:56.06 | dataw0lf | did I walk into a Larry the Cable Guy skit or ? |
| 20:56.23 | findlay | is that a webcomic I haven't heard of yet? |
| 20:56.38 | elg | i think it's a movie |
| 20:56.40 | levi | Git 'er Done! |
| 20:56.45 | dataw0lf | levi, at least, gets it. |
| 20:56.51 | levi | He was on the radio this morning. |
| 20:56.53 | findlay | ~get it |
| 20:56.53 | ibot | ACTION fetches it |
| 20:56.57 | elg | fails |
| 20:57.06 | unum | he was commedy central much of the weekend |
| 20:57.08 | elg | we have only stupid radio stations here |
| 20:57.10 | elg | and npr |
| 20:57.11 | dataw0lf | Larry the Cable Guy: an obnoxious redneck comedian whose catchline is "Get 'Er Done" |
| 20:57.25 | findlay | heh |
| 20:57.34 | unum | he's also in some really bad movies |
| 20:57.43 | elg | who, RMS? |
| 20:57.45 | levi | He voiced the rusted-out tow truck in Cars. |
| 20:57.56 | findlay | cool |
| 20:58.46 | elg | levi: obviously you have a little girl and not a little boy |
| 20:58.47 | levi | I'm not sure if that qualifies as a really bad movie in unum's book or not. |
| 20:58.57 | tensai | elg: I even got it working with rosegarden. I almost feel like I understand jack a little bit. |
| 20:59.06 | elg | fun |
| 20:59.10 | levi | elg: Well, I have a little boy, too, but he's only 6 months old. |
| 20:59.16 | elg | i just spent a couple of hours laying down some 10 songs in rosegarden (midi) |
| 20:59.30 | elg | yeah, 6 mos is too early to be into cars |
| 20:59.34 | elg | slightly |
| 20:59.38 | dataw0lf | Cars++ |
| 20:59.55 | elg | Cars is a cool movie, except for the boring track stuff |
| 20:59.58 | dataw0lf | WALL*E looks good too, I was kinda scared about Disney. |
| 21:00.12 | elg | but at least I can admire the CG during that |
| 21:00.22 | elg | is wall-e disney or pixar? didn't they finally break up? |
| 21:00.33 | levi | They're back together now, IIRC. |
| 21:00.49 | elg | oh. pity |
| 21:00.49 | Jayce^ | bought out |
| 21:01.11 | dataw0lf | yea, back together for WALL*E |
| 21:01.20 | elg | so it was like a girl that threatens to break up with her abusive boyfriend, and he locks her in the closet |
| 21:01.37 | tensai | I thought they merged |
| 21:01.50 | Jayce^ | tensai, basically... "merged" |
| 21:02.00 | elg | who needs tabloids when you have real-life corporate america? |
| 21:02.20 | elg | tensai: now, I need to lay down the tracks in ardour with aeolus in various combinations of stops |
| 21:02.36 | dataw0lf | Whatever. I think we can expect at least a couple more good movies from Pixar before they drug into the gutter. |
| 21:02.38 | dataw0lf | they're* |
| 21:03.08 | tensai | elg: this connections thing seems really complicated and extremely powerful |
| 21:03.17 | elg | yup |
| 21:03.22 | elg | very very very powerful |
| 21:03.35 | findlay | how much power? |
| 21:03.46 | elg | backed by years of experience in the analog world |
| 21:03.53 | findlay | ~power |
| 21:03.54 | ibot | it has been said that power is for newer opie releases you need to have apmd installed to have a working power button. or see external power, or the derivative of energy with respect to time |
| 21:04.02 | nick125 | http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/06/hans-reiser-off.html |
| 21:04.07 | levi | findlay: Power like a blown 350, man! |
| 21:04.11 | elg | modular synths/effects racks/etc. with patch cables were/are by far the most flexible and powerful |
| 21:04.17 | findlay | levi: awesome! |
| 21:04.26 | elg | and although the patch cables get complicated, the core idea is simple enough |
| 21:05.01 | levi | And you can put on a cool live show by having a guy fiddle with patch cables live. |
| 21:05.15 | findlay | haha |
| 21:06.35 | tensai | elg: I was playing a song and rosegarden stopped with the message that it ran out of cpu for real time processing |
| 21:07.32 | elg | bummer |
| 21:07.46 | tensai | is that something I can hack in limits.conf? |
| 21:07.49 | elg | i was noticing that it was using a lot of cpu (not all of it, but enough to turn on the fan) |
| 21:07.54 | elg | just recording this stuff |
| 21:08.05 | tensai | it didn't go above 30% according to my little meter |
| 21:08.12 | elg | i'm not sure why it's doing that. maybe there are settings to reduce cpu usage |
| 21:08.29 | tensai | in jack or rosegarden? |
| 21:08.35 | elg | rg |
| 21:09.30 | tensai | jack and arts don't get along well |
| 21:10.18 | tensai | nick125: wow |
| 21:11.41 | tensai | reminds me of http://www.theonion.com/content/node/38793 |
| 21:11.54 | elg | tensai: you could try running jack in softmode see if that gets rid of the message |
| 21:12.11 | elg | if so, you're not getting realtime enough (maybe raise the jack priority?) |
| 21:13.51 | elg | that message might mean jack kicked it out of the playground because it was too slow |
| 21:13.55 | elg | why it was too slow, who knows |
| 21:14.17 | elg | or it might mean something else entirely, it's kind of cryptic and I don't know for sure |
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| 21:23.08 | mrpull | these new captchas with cats are crazy stupid |
| 21:23.49 | findlay | haha |
| 21:24.13 | tensai | mrpull: example? |
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| 21:24.52 | mrpull | http://www.flickr.com/photos/danelope/2326856825/ |
| 21:25.49 | findlay | mrpull: look at it optimistically: By using captchas for lots of things, we're getting spammers and other junkware pedallers to do the menial work of refining our scientific understanding of the Turing test and it's practical feasibility |
| 21:25.51 | levi | Heh, "shouldn't the kitties be dead?" |
| 21:26.14 | findlay | it's brilliant |
| 21:48.30 | neybar | in vi I have a macro that I want to play on every line starting where the cursor is to the end of the file. I can't remember the end of the document keystroke (not shift-G) |
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| 21:51.39 | findlay | %? |
| 21:53.00 | tensai | neybar: G is all I know. does that not work? |
| 21:53.00 | dataw0lf | I thought EOD was a capital G? |
| 21:53.19 | Sargun | rm -rf / |
| 21:53.30 | tensai | neybar: :$ |
| 21:53.39 | neybar | sure, but shift-G@a jumps to the end of the file then plays my macro. I want to play my macro on every line until the end of the file |
| 21:53.49 | goozbach | tG |
| 21:54.14 | findlay | G brings you to the _beginning_ of the last line |
| 21:54.48 | findlay | tensai: put you money where your mouth was? :) |
| 21:55.14 | dataw0lf | findlay: G$ then :p |
| 21:55.24 | tensai | findlay: no. it's a real command. does the same thing as G. |
| 21:55.28 | findlay | or then $ |
| 21:55.30 | tensai | http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/references/gnu/vim/Vim-HOWTO-10.html |
| 21:55.32 | brac | [Vim Color Editor HOW-TO (Vi Improved with syntax color highlighting) : Vim Reference Card] |
| 21:55.36 | findlay | tensai: I know |
| 21:55.59 | tensai | findlay: so stop teasing me already |
| 21:56.08 | tensai | I'm gonna tell my mom |
| 21:56.09 | findlay | sure |
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| 22:01.58 | bbeattie | Anyone heard if there are craigslist scammers active on the utah lists? I put my projector screen up and the guy wants me to ship overseas "for his son" and is using a paypal account. :) I'm wondering if I have some fun or just turn him down. |
| 22:02.52 | bbeattie | no caps, .'s and a similar e-mail address shows up on yahoo's list of 419 scammers. |
| 22:03.30 | findlay | sounds like fun |
| 22:03.43 | JoshH | bbeattie i get that same email every time i post something |
| 22:04.43 | Jayce^ | mrpull, http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2008/06/09/tomtom-already-has-iphone-navigation-software-ready-to-roll/ |
| 22:04.46 | brac | [TomTom already has iPhone navigation software ready to roll - Engadget Mobile] |
| 22:06.38 | tensai | bbeattie: sounds pretty dubious to me. as craigslist recommends, do business in person and you'll avoid 99% of the scams. |
| 22:08.16 | bbeattie | I may have a little fun, I actually put my projector and screen up in two different posts and I asked him which one, so he's active... ;-) |
| 22:08.58 | bbeattie | jayce^: I'm just mad apple didn't put gps in their first gens... |
| 22:09.33 | bbeattie | My itouch with wifi location can get within half a block, my iphone only does about half a mile. :O (multiple tests, sitting at my desk) |
| 22:10.34 | bbeattie | jayce^: No idea if you have to download a couple GB map file, or if downloads on the go? |
| 22:11.56 | rsimpkins | Why is GPS in a phone such a big deal? Apple recycles old tech and it is like the first time EVER a phone with GPS has been available. |
| 22:14.11 | dataw0lf | because it's 300 LOC in ObjC to write a filter that lists your contacts who're within 5 miles of your current location. |
| 22:15.37 | fungus | Also, the big deal is a phone with GPS and the best user interface as seen so far. |
| 22:15.56 | Jayce^ | beats out what I used to have, hands down |
| 22:16.14 | dataw0lf | ObjC SDK. That's all ya need to say. PyObjC ftw |
| 22:17.16 | findlay | whatever |
| 22:17.41 | findlay | iphone vs openmoko is like OSX vs Linux as far as I'm concerned |
| 22:17.48 | dataw0lf | shrugs |
| 22:18.06 | dataw0lf | I've nearly patented Apple hate, but, I must say, Leopard is, shall we say, 'off the hizook'. |
| 22:18.20 | findlay | doesn't really enjoy the apple ecosystem |
| 22:19.07 | dataw0lf | Neither do I, but I've found Leopard, besides the regrettable lack of MacPorts integration, to have cured me of my usual OS X complaints and moans. |
| 22:19.13 | Jayce^ | dataw0lf, that's how I was until Panther.. certain people know about my influence on previous versions of apple os's :) |
| 22:19.49 | dataw0lf | Jayce^: word. Hey, I'll eat my shoes if it means a better development / hacking environment. |
| 22:20.26 | dataw0lf | got meself a Mac Pro at work and a MacBook for personal use, found both to be a relative joy to use. |
| 22:21.03 | Jayce^ | exactly, and I've got a lot of crap for using a mac from my old friends.. |
| 22:21.12 | dataw0lf | and now that Apple has slashed iPhone prices and introduced a 3rd party dev plan AND 3G *shrugs* buying one of those too. |
| 22:22.08 | findlay | has major 'UI complaints' :) |
| 22:22.42 | sjansen | dataw0lf, Jayce^: Traitors. Sell outs. Wimps. |
| 22:23.33 | levi | sjansen: Nah, they've just got good taste. |
| 22:24.12 | dataw0lf | I'm also coming slowly around to TextMate, if just for the git and svn bundles. |
| 22:24.58 | findlay | levi: ugh. You can keep your taste :) |
| 22:25.53 | sjansen | The way I see it, the iPhone may be nice but you're still stuck wit AT&T. |
| 22:26.40 | nick125 | Yeah, people who change carriers just for a phone are stupid, in my opinion. |
| 22:26.52 | Sargun | and GSWM |
| 22:28.45 | sjansen | You know that the only reason Apple could lower prices was AT&T is giving them kickbacks, and AT&T is planning on requiring subscribers to sell a child into slavery every time they renew their data plan. |
| 22:28.49 | findlay | they all seem to be quite disagreeable to me |
| 22:29.11 | findlay | just like ISP's |
| 22:29.35 | dataw0lf | I'm not a big fan of any provider |
| 22:29.54 | levi | sjansen: AT&T subsidizes every other phone they sell, why not iPhones too? |
| 22:30.26 | dataw0lf | hmmm, child slavery versus unlimited data |
| 22:30.29 | sjansen | True, but last I checked Sprint's data plan felt much less like a mugging followed by blackmail. |
| 22:30.33 | dataw0lf | I'm... going to the park |
| 22:31.48 | Sargun | Enjoy! |
| 22:33.02 | sjansen | Don't get caught! |
| 22:34.50 | goozbach | here's a question... |
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| 22:35.14 | goozbach | I have a web server which is protected by httpauth at the root (eg "/") |
| 22:35.29 | tensai | that's not a question |
| 22:35.38 | goozbach | can I make a sub-location which does not need auth? |
| 22:36.01 | goozbach | (eg / and everything else is auth only, /feeds/ is not) |
| 22:37.09 | dataw0lf | AuthType None on the location .. ? |
| 22:37.23 | goozbach | dataw0lf: tried that |
| 22:37.34 | dataw0lf | Huh. Seems like that should work. |
| 22:37.43 | goozbach | just a sec, I stumbled into something with my google queries... satasify any |
| 22:37.50 | goozbach | testing please hold. |
| 22:37.52 | sjansen | goozbach: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/core.html#satisfy |
| 22:38.04 | brac | [core - Apache HTTP Server] |
| 22:38.25 | sjansen | D'oh. Too slow. |
| 22:39.37 | goozbach | sjansen: thanks anyhow, that was my next question. |
| 22:40.02 | goozbach | I want to do auth for any external access but allow all internal access (on the local net) without auth. |
| 22:40.07 | goozbach | so you helped even then. |
| 22:40.21 | sjansen | ~botsnack sjansen |
| 22:40.21 | ibot | aw, gee, sjansen |
| 22:40.25 | goozbach | sjansen: you are a scholar and a geek |
| 22:40.48 | sjansen | What? Hey! That was supposed to be my botsnack you little.... |
| 22:40.52 | goozbach | I was going to say "gentelman" but didn't want to press my luck. |
| 22:41.12 | goozbach | gives a botsnack to sjansen |
| 22:41.14 | dataw0lf | gentleman* |
| 22:41.39 | sjansen | And on that note |
| 22:41.45 | goozbach | dataw0lf: gentelman -- n. not quite a gentleman |
| 22:41.53 | dataw0lf | ah. :) |
| 22:42.02 | goozbach | from the dictionary of goozbach'isms |
| 22:48.30 | herlo | rsimpkins: ping |
| 22:50.58 | bonez46 | I want to move a file, let's say it's in ~/tmp and I am in ~/mydata/dox/insco |
| 22:51.50 | bonez46 | how would I move the file if I am in ~/mydata/dox/insco i.e,. how do I say > mv ~/tmp/*.xls (to here, wherever I am.. is there a shortcut for this, or must I explicitly spell it all out)? |
| 22:52.01 | tensai | bonez46: . |
| 22:52.02 | herlo | mv ~/tmp/*.xls . |
| 22:52.10 | herlo | . == current dir |
| 22:52.16 | bonez46 | ah, the . is for current folder,ok...thank you |
| 22:52.55 | Sargun | Its at least 80 degrees in the office :-( |
| 22:54.05 | Sargun | 81. |
| 22:54.27 | findlay | well, here all we have is an evaporative cooler, with awful ventilation |
| 22:54.37 | findlay | so the best you get is a warm humidity |
| 22:54.45 | tensai | I still have my heater turned on |
| 22:54.45 | findlay | better than hot, though |
| 22:54.46 | lakshmi | Sargun maybe you'll melt :P |
| 22:54.51 | tensai | it's cold outside |
| 22:56.07 | tensai | that's not good. 120V circuit reads 250V on a multimeter. |
| 22:56.19 | tensai | that might explain why the UPS is black and smoking |
| 22:56.29 | findlay | haha |
| 22:56.35 | findlay | is that your heat source? |
| 22:56.48 | tensai | heh. thankfully no. I don't need that kind of problem in my house. |
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