| 00:05.59 | maquis | aargh!!! |
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| 00:56.32 | elg | rsimpkins: ping |
| 00:59.23 | elg | anyone else have contacts at tier4 or wherever it is the box is hosted? |
| 00:59.27 | elg | for the box, it is down |
| 01:07.01 | elg | tensai: ping |
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| 01:57.05 | Supaplex | -chat the system |
| 01:57.06 | brac | the system like that too many changes of mind to do a yum update, then reboot |
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| 02:24.07 | elg | levi: well, that bios udpate worked but made my system really unstable |
| 02:24.15 | elg | so i reverted back and seems fine now |
| 02:24.27 | elg | didn't effect the problem I was working on anyway |
| 02:28.28 | Sargun_screen | uhm. |
| 02:28.29 | Sargun_screen | hehe |
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| 02:59.43 | tensai | elg: pong |
| 02:59.47 | elg | i was going to ask you to flush your mail queue, but it flushed |
| 03:00.19 | tensai | I read your mind |
| 03:05.10 | elg | you're amazing |
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| 03:09.58 | tyler | Thanks! |
| 03:12.18 | levi | elg: Weird. Oh well. |
| 03:12.57 | levi | elg: I don't use XvMC with my system. |
| 03:47.07 | tensai | I use xvmc with an nvidia card and have no problems |
| 03:50.34 | Tene | Ew. Ruby supports nullary function calls with no trailing ()s. There's no syntactic difference whatsoever to show that it's a function call instead of a variable. |
| 03:51.39 | sontek | its the new vb |
| 03:52.24 | Tene | So I'm learning. |
| 03:53.33 | Tene | I know how to implement that in the compiler, but it'll be a mess. |
| 03:53.46 | Tene | Ew. |
| 03:53.57 | Tene | I'll leave that for this weekend. |
| 03:54.05 | nick125 | eww |
| 03:56.08 | levi | What're you learning Ruby for? |
| 03:57.00 | Tene | I'm writing a compiler for it for parrot. |
| 03:57.10 | levi | Oh, yuck. |
| 03:57.27 | levi | I mean, the Ruby grammar is a mess. |
| 03:57.33 | Tene | I've got a decent amount done. |
| 03:57.57 | Tene | But, yeah, it's a mess. |
| 03:58.18 | levi | I'm sure the last 10% will take 90% of the effort. |
| 03:59.06 | Tene | http://svn.perl.org/parrot/trunk/languages/cardinal/t/ has a lot of the stuff that I've implemented so far. |
| 04:01.24 | rsimpkins | elg: I notice that plug is down? |
| 04:01.24 | levi | Isn't that Kevin Tew's project? |
| 04:02.26 | Tene | levi: there was another ruby-on-parrot project sometime in the past, but it was unmaintained, hadn't been touched in over a year, didn't support much, and didn't use any of the new tools, and had been deleted from the parrot repository. |
| 04:02.28 | tensai | rsimpkins: I think that's what he pinged you about |
| 04:02.35 | Tene | I don't know who did it. |
| 04:02.37 | rsimpkins | tensai: Working on it now. |
| 04:03.31 | Tene | The two big things left are working with classes, and filling out the builtins in the different classes. |
| 04:03.37 | Tene | Well, the two big things that I know about. |
| 04:04.09 | Tene | looks like cardinal is about 20% the speed of ruby 1.8 at running a 'while' loop. |
| 04:10.07 | levi | Kevin did a PLUG presentation a while back, IIRC, where he talked about Cardinal. |
| 04:14.11 | rsimpkins | I hope this thing didn't get PwNed. |
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| 04:19.23 | tyler | I burned a slice of pizza to oblivion earlier today in my microwave |
| 04:19.31 | tyler | amazing what those things are capable of doing |
| 04:19.44 | tyler | 2:00 most definitely does not equal 20:00 |
| 04:19.52 | Tene | levi: tewk is apparently still active in parrot. I see a few commits from him on some HTTP stuff and on a c99 grammar. |
| 04:20.04 | Tene | levi: do you recall how functional it was? |
| 04:20.52 | levi | Tene: I don't think he was terribly far along. |
| 04:21.39 | levi | http://on-ruby.blogspot.com/2006/09/ruby-hacker-interview-kevin-tew.html |
| 04:27.44 | Supaplex | heh, pwned. http://www.comcast.net/ |
| 04:27.48 | brac | [Welcome To Our Site | Network Solutions] |
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| 04:34.52 | levi | ibot: Yes, you are. |
| 04:37.34 | Tene | Hm. |
| 04:37.43 | levi | Tene: Hm? |
| 04:37.45 | Tene | looks up ruby OO stuff. |
| 04:39.04 | levi | You should write a Smalltalk compiler for Parrot instead. |
| 04:39.28 | levi | Then all you have to do (for a naive compiler, at least) is OO stuff. :) |
| 04:39.42 | Tene | Sure, okay. Do you have a grammar handy? |
| 04:40.13 | Tene | I know smalltalk even less than I know ruby. :) |
| 04:40.42 | Dew420 | levi : $400 |
| 04:41.11 | Tene | If you're willing to answer my questions, I'll write it. |
| 04:42.00 | levi | http://chronos-st.blogspot.com/2007/12/smalltalk-in-one-page.html |
| 04:42.23 | Tene | Also you need to suggest a clever or catchy name. |
| 04:43.12 | levi | Smalltalk has a really simple grammar. |
| 04:43.21 | levi | Well, relatively, anyway. |
| 04:45.01 | Tene | "squaak" is already taken. :( |
| 04:45.24 | levi | How about 'chitchat' |
| 04:45.37 | Tene | Okay. |
| 04:48.04 | levi | This is a pretty good overview of the semantics of Smalltalk as well as the syntax: http://www.chronos-st.org/Smalltalk-Getting-the-Message.html |
| 04:48.09 | brac | [Smalltalk: Getting The Message—The Essentials of Message-Oriented Programming with Smalltalk] |
| 04:50.20 | levi | And for a complete guide to the language and how it was originally implemented, see this book: http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr/FreeBooks/BlueBook/ |
| 04:50.28 | brac | [Index of /FreeBooks/BlueBook] |
| 04:50.51 | levi | Ahh, the benefits of sanely designed, standardized, mature languages. |
| 04:52.25 | levi | Randal Schwartz of perl fame is big on Smalltalk these days. |
| 04:53.21 | levi | And Smalltalk (along with Scheme) was one of the inspirations for Ruby. |
| 04:54.27 | sinuhe | Aaahhh...Scheme... |
| 04:54.35 | levi | Scheme is wonderful. |
| 04:55.28 | sinuhe | retreats to sleep, perchance to dream... |
| 04:57.06 | levi | If only RMS had promoted Scheme with the fervor with which he promotes Free Software. |
| 05:01.20 | Tene | So, all this message-passing stuff, is that actually different in any way from normal function calling with different jargon to describe it? |
| 05:03.18 | sinuhe | levi: He has to some degree. Scheme is the core language of GNU, as defined in the coding standards, as used by Emacs and Gnome. Of course, for rms, the crucial point is that the software is free to use, but that is a different discussion. |
| 05:03.38 | sinuhe | (Emacs has its own Lisp variant, I know...) |
| 05:03.41 | levi | sinuhe: It's supposedly the core language of GNU, but it's not really. |
| 05:05.21 | levi | Tene: It all ends up the same after it's compiled to bytecode, so long as the functions are looked up at runtime. |
| 05:05.50 | levi | But functions and object-oriented message passing are conceptually very different. |
| 05:06.08 | Tene | Right, I get that, just making sure that I'm not missing something. |
| 05:07.55 | tensai | rsimpkins: I've got a server sitting here that I'm never going to use. it's a dual proc 1ghz, 2g ram, 3 hot swap scsi 33g drivers with an adaptec raid controller. |
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| 05:09.52 | Tene | tensai: never going to use, eh? |
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| 05:10.12 | tensai | Tene: too noisy to run at home and nothing really to do with it |
| 05:10.33 | Tene | how noisy? |
| 05:11.05 | tensai | 30 |
| 05:11.11 | Tene | Ah, okay. |
| 05:11.28 | Tene | You looking to get rid of it? |
| 05:11.59 | tensai | thinking about donating it to plug, since rsimpkins is complaining about the current server |
| 05:12.10 | Tene | Ah. Now I understand. |
| 05:12.14 | Tene | Nice. :) |
| 05:17.54 | rsimpkins | tensai: It is the server complaining! :) |
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| 05:18.39 | rsimpkins | tensai: As long as it'll fit in the 2u we got, and the ram chips aren't clogged with years worth of internets goobers, I think we need to consider it. |
| 05:19.05 | tensai | rsimpkins: it's a 2U. I'm just trying to locate the rails for it. not sure where they buggered off to. |
| 05:19.26 | rsimpkins | tensai: We got a shelf actually, since the current server lost its rails many moons ago. |
| 05:19.39 | tensai | rsimpkins: that would work too then |
| 05:20.02 | tensai | far as I know the ram is still good. it's ecc. I probably have a spare 1G chip here too. |
| 05:20.08 | Tene | levi: Wikipedia's hello world example has a trailing '.'. Is that correct? |
| 05:20.40 | rsimpkins | tensai: At least it is a more modern system. Probably a little easier finding good ram for it if we need to. |
| 05:21.18 | tensai | wait, it might be just 1G total. 2 512s. I can't recall. |
| 05:21.44 | rsimpkins | I guess the mailing list is a little larger than when this box was first put it. We get regular load spikes in to the 20-40 range clearning messages. |
| 05:21.56 | rsimpkins | I don't think it is CPU tho, but disk IO. |
| 05:22.39 | levi | Tene: Yes, it's correct. |
| 05:23.02 | tensai | these disks are fast. u320. and a nice raid always helps. |
| 05:23.41 | levi | I've got an old server too, but I'm working on quieting it down so I can stick it in a closet. |
| 05:24.07 | rsimpkins | tensai: Sounds like a pretty decent box. You just have it lying around? |
| 05:24.20 | levi | I think an ATX power supply will do it. I've got a 1u supply now, and it howls like a banshee. |
| 05:25.02 | rsimpkins | levi: That's so you know it is on, silly! ;-) |
| 05:25.29 | rsimpkins | If you're server can't wake the dead, how will you know if it stops working? |
| 05:27.13 | levi | Same way I know my current 'server' (a hard drive in my desktop PC that's booted via vmware) stops working. My screen session goes dead. :) |
| 05:27.34 | rsimpkins | I have that happen all the time. Silly screen sessions. |
| 05:27.56 | rsimpkins | I swear that if I try to cram too much data down a screen, the thing decides life isn't worth living and locks up. |
| 05:28.10 | rsimpkins | Always seems to happen during that ONE time I DO NOT need a lock up. |
| 05:29.35 | levi | Yeah, that does happen to me occasionally too. |
| 05:30.04 | levi | I can generally screen -x from another terminal and get it going again, though. |
| 05:30.10 | levi | At least, if the server is still alive. :) |
| 05:30.23 | tensai | rsimpkins: I inherited it from an isp I closed down, but I really don't need it |
| 05:32.26 | rsimpkins | tensai: I think it would help the group to have a server that is reliable. TierFour is spending dollars giving us a reliable space, and having a better server helps round that out. |
| 05:32.56 | tensai | rsimpkins: I won't be in utah until UTOSC, unless something else comes up |
| 05:33.06 | rsimpkins | I was actually going to try to get Omniture to donate one of the older HP DL360s we have (which are pretty nice). I ran in to approval nightmare though. |
| 05:33.39 | tensai | ah, I remember the DL360s |
| 05:33.49 | tensai | they were compaqs when I used them though :) |
| 05:33.59 | rsimpkins | We are using the G5s these days with the 2.5" SAS stuff. Pretty sweet machines. |
| 05:34.06 | rsimpkins | Very speedy. |
| 05:34.38 | levi | Anyway, my server is a dual Xeon 2.2Ghz with 4 Gigabytes of RAM. Only an IDE hard drive, though. |
| 05:35.33 | rsimpkins | levi: Why get a dual xeon with IDE drives? Lots of computation and not much storage need? |
| 05:36.09 | levi | I inherited most of it from Linux Networx, but I swapped out the motherboard with a cheap one off ebay because the Intel server board's BIOS didn't work anymore and I didn't want to futz with the LinuxBIOS that was the reason it existed in the first place. :) |
| 05:36.30 | JoshH | i have a old hp server, p2 333mhz in a very heavy and ugly tower case with 384mb of ram and 2 9gig scsi drives, and the bios loses the time every time it reboots. it's all yours if you want it. |
| 05:37.21 | levi | rsimpkins: In its intended role, it would have net-booted and had a high-speed interconnect card in it. |
| 05:37.40 | rsimpkins | levi: A computational node, yup. Makes perfect sense now. |
| 05:37.59 | rsimpkins | levi: What did LNXI use for interconnect? Ever do anything with Infiniband? |
| 05:38.41 | levi | Yeah, they did a lot of Infiniband. |
| 05:38.58 | rsimpkins | levi: I am deploying a lot of IB these days. Like the speed, hate the cables. |
| 05:38.59 | levi | Also Myrinet and a couple of others. |
| 05:39.26 | levi | There were far worse cables than IB cables. |
| 05:39.40 | levi | Myrinet used to use these super-flaky ribbon cables. |
| 05:40.36 | levi | Quadrics used these super-thick heavy cables with SCSI connectors on the ends. |
| 05:41.19 | levi | You had to be sure to support the cables, or they'd bend the adapters. |
| 05:41.27 | rsimpkins | I've not messed with those. But I don't have a lot of experience with clusters. |
| 05:42.18 | levi | Myrinet uses fiber optic cables now. |
| 05:42.43 | rsimpkins | Do they have latency issues using fiber? |
| 05:43.21 | rsimpkins | The whole point of this cluster I'm deplying using IB is they need syncronous cache-coherency across the cluster, so it's gotta be speedy quick. |
| 05:43.26 | levi | http://www.myri.com/myrinet/cables/m2m-cl.html |
| 05:43.29 | brac | [Myrinet-SAN Cables] |
| 05:43.31 | levi | Those are the old ribbon cables. |
| 05:43.42 | nick125 | ew |
| 05:44.01 | rsimpkins | If I kewd spel gud id be rich. |
| 05:44.54 | levi | Why would fiber cause latency issues? |
| 05:45.41 | rsimpkins | The whole conversion process I guess. I really don't know. Outside my expertise. |
| 05:46.33 | levi | There's a conversion process whether you transmit on copper or fiber. |
| 05:47.20 | rsimpkins | I'll have to ask the gurus why they think IB is so much quicker then. |
| 05:49.01 | rsimpkins | "The single data rate switch chips have a latency of 200 nanoseconds, and DDR switch chips have a latency of 140 nanoseconds." |
| 05:49.05 | levi | I went to the OpenIB conference a couple of years ago. :) |
| 05:49.08 | rsimpkins | We are using the DDR switch chips. |
| 05:49.38 | rsimpkins | So the latency, and 4GB/s, make for a nice product I think. |
| 05:50.21 | rsimpkins | s/4GB/4Gb |
| 05:50.41 | rsimpkins | The stuff we have is 16Gb/s capable, but there is some other complication using it. |
| 05:52.23 | levi | Myrinet 2000 has MPI latency of 2.6-3.2us, and Myrinet 10G has MPI latency of 2us. |
| 05:53.51 | rsimpkins | Well, trumps IB I guess. Wonder what the cost comparission comes to. |
| 05:53.54 | levi | IB ranges from 1.26us to 2.6us, depending on the HCA you use. |
| 05:54.35 | levi | Looks like IB has lower latency if you get the ConnectX HCAs or the QLogic InfiniPath HCAs. |
| 05:54.50 | levi | I've got an InfiniPath chip. :) |
| 05:55.14 | rsimpkins | I think we have the same in our stuff, but I didn't spec that part out. Just rings a bell. |
| 05:55.14 | levi | It's on my LNXI Trailblazer board I rescued from the dumpster as a souvenier. |
| 05:55.39 | levi | ConnectX is the Mellanox part, and they're the big name in IB. |
| 05:56.07 | tensai | rsimpkins: so unless somebody volunteers a better server, I'll plan to bring this down to utosc for you |
| 05:56.09 | rsimpkins | Hrm, I'm not sure. It could be that as well. |
| 05:56.26 | rsimpkins | tensai: Sounds awesome. If the server lasts until then, plan on it. :) |
| 05:57.09 | tensai | if Jayce^ comes through on his way to Montana maybe I could talk him into delivering it |
| 05:58.26 | levi | For a while QLogic had much lower latency, which is why LNXI went with their chip. But apparently Mellanox caught up. |
| 05:58.28 | rsimpkins | tensai: Where are you at? |
| 05:58.34 | tensai | rsimpkins: idaho falls |
| 06:00.30 | rsimpkins | tensai: What are the fastest links that LNXI had available? IB? |
| 06:00.42 | tensai | rsimpkins: I dunno |
| 06:06.51 | levi | rsimpkins: Towards the end, it was pretty much just Infiniband and Myrinet. Quadrics was big in the game earlier on, though. |
| 06:07.47 | levi | I wasn't really clear on which ones were faster in what ways at any point in time. |
| 06:08.12 | levi | Anyway, I should get to sleep. |
| 06:08.19 | rsimpkins | levi: night night. |
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| 06:09.51 | sontek | speak of the devil! |
| 06:10.47 | fozzmoo | Nobody ever says, "Speak of the angel!" when I enter. |
| 06:11.41 | sontek | odd.. everyone says that when I enter! |
| 06:11.56 | tensai | fozzmoo: perhaps people you know actually do talk about the devil a lot |
| 06:13.59 | fozzmoo | Perhaps. |
| 06:14.52 | tensai | fozzmoo: are you in fact beelzebub? that might influence it too. |
| 06:19.55 | fozzmoo | tensai: Hadn't considered that possibility. |
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| 06:47.17 | tyler | I can't believe I missed the MySQL stuff at the last PLUG |
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| 06:57.15 | rsimpkins | tyler: It was really good. |
| 06:59.54 | rsimpkins | tyler: Look for his slikes on http://www.jpipes.com |
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| 07:00.02 | rsimpkins | tyler: The post is "Join-fu: The Art of SQL Tuning" |
| 07:00.08 | rsimpkins | << sleep |
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| 09:02.24 | tyler | rsimpkins: Thanks buddy |
| 09:02.27 | tyler | A million |
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| 14:43.32 | Jayce^ | goozbach, you have to check out my carrot. |
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| 15:25.54 | tensai | rm -rf elg |
| 15:26.03 | elg | permission denied |
| 15:26.34 | tensai | I hate when my filesystem talks back to me |
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| 15:27.29 | Jayce^ | fsck it |
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| 15:38.26 | goozbach | fsck it hard |
| 15:39.48 | harleypig | you must fsck it |
| 15:39.57 | harleypig | fsck it good |
| 15:40.20 | harleypig | its not too lat |
| 15:40.24 | harleypig | to fsck it good |
| 15:40.32 | lakshmi | hey guys? |
| 15:41.07 | harleypig | you ruined my parody man! |
| 15:41.27 | lakshmi | hehe sorry |
| 15:41.29 | lakshmi | :-S |
| 15:45.16 | elg | is that a snake coming out your mouth? |
| 15:45.20 | elg | you ought to get that looked at |
| 15:49.28 | Jayce^ | harleypig, you need to add the devo hat and whip to your imagery now |
| 15:52.03 | goozbach | grrrr! |
| 15:52.26 | goozbach | debian and fedora detect the nics in this machine oppisite each other |
| 15:52.43 | goozbach | been beating my head against this install for over a hour now. |
| 15:52.59 | goozbach | plug in a second network cable and volia! |
| 15:53.11 | findlay | I love it when that happens :) |
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| 15:57.38 | harleypig | Jayce^: conical step hat , whip and orange speedo ... |
| 15:57.42 | harleypig | better than ouchy! |
| 15:58.14 | findlay | yay, problems during downtime |
| 16:00.54 | findlay | plans for havoc |
| 16:09.59 | levi | Good morning. |
| 16:10.20 | lakshmi | morning |
| 16:17.31 | goozbach | oh goody Jayce^ has oper |
| 16:17.51 | goozbach | ooo so does ejg |
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| 16:22.51 | elg | plans for findlay |
| 16:23.23 | findlay | hehe |
| 16:23.35 | tensai | I'll take havoc, thank you |
| 16:25.44 | tensai | elg: I had some storebought sourdough the other day. it really was not that good. I much prefer my own non-sour sourdough. |
| 16:26.00 | elg | yeah |
| 16:26.09 | elg | unless you're in sanfran... |
| 16:26.38 | elg | you prefer non-sour, or you like yours better in spite of its non-sour? |
| 16:27.44 | tensai | I prefer non-sour. or at least, I dislike the sourness in the commercial breads I've tasted. |
| 16:28.19 | levi | Heh, the right-wing nutbags now appear to be taking stupid lessons from left-wing nutbags. Rachael Ray's Dunkin' Donuts ad got pulled because Michelle Malkin apparently thought she looked too much like an Arab terrorist with her scarf. And that's certainly not politically correct, from a right-wing nutbag perspective at least. :P |
| 16:28.50 | levi | I love sour sourdough. So yummy. |
| 16:28.54 | elg | awesome |
| 16:29.08 | elg | so arab look-alikes aren't allowed to like donuts? |
| 16:29.41 | tensai | I was trying to figure out the ingredients list. it had yeast and lactic acid. do you think that means they used an actual start, or they used commercial yeast and just spiked it with sour? |
| 16:29.51 | levi | No, you just aren't allowed to look like you're wearing a kiffiyeh on TV. |
| 16:29.55 | elg | the latter, maybe a little of both |
| 16:30.01 | elg | but definitely the latter |
| 16:30.22 | elg | unless it's in any way authentic, which we must assume it isn't |
| 16:30.34 | levi | No, not at all. |
| 16:30.35 | Jayce^ | levi, I saw when that started, it came form the place where the kaffiyeh was purchased, which actually was promoting it as a 'support hamas' feature... which was what malkin et al's point was |
| 16:30.36 | elg | (without evidence to the contrary) |
| 16:30.51 | Jayce^ | ray was just trying to be 'stylish' of course,... |
| 16:31.04 | levi | Well, her stylist was trying to make her stylish. |
| 16:31.08 | Jayce^ | of course :) |
| 16:32.38 | levi | Anyway, it's the same thing as the 'political correctness' stuff the right-wing nutbags hate so much, except it's not because they're the ones doing it and they couldn't expose themselves as hypocrites. |
| 16:35.45 | levi | Jayce^: I haven't seen any evidence that anyone said it actually *was* a kiffiyeh, much less that it was a 'support hamas' kiffiyeh. All I see is people quoting Malkin saying it looked *like* a kiffiyeh. |
| 16:37.24 | Jayce^ | I'll have to dig around, but a while back I saw when somebody was making a big deal about it.. |
| 16:37.27 | levi | And none of that has any relevance at all, because kiffiyeh's have no real connection to terrorism or religion, and if Ray didn't buy it herself, any kind of promotion that it was sold under is irrelevant since she didn't have anything to do with it. |
| 16:38.05 | Jayce^ | was urban wear or some similar company, and was doing it pretty specifically.. this is just being tied to that point... |
| 16:38.16 | Jayce^ | yeah, I totally agree |
| 16:38.20 | harleypig | argh ... isn't there a way to see what the dsn was of a dbh handle in perl? |
| 16:38.31 | harleypig | wait ... what am I asking in here for |
| 16:38.35 | harleypig | goes to #perl |
| 16:40.31 | Jayce^ | my wife is mad, wii fit registers her as a little heavier than our normal scale (I blame the carpet it's on, but that's besides the point for her) |
| 16:40.38 | tensai | there was a great daily show bit about how all the "news" is dominated by such minor and insignificant issues |
| 16:40.39 | Jayce^ | though she loves the game |
| 16:41.22 | Jayce^ | tensai, it is... hiding reality under a mask of sensationalism :) |
| 16:43.46 | tensai | http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=167429&title=festival-of-wrights |
| 16:43.48 | brac | [Festival of Wrights | The Daily Show | Comedy Central] |
| 16:44.05 | tensai | this was about rev. wright, but it's equally apt to others |
| 16:44.24 | Jayce^ | of course I think the daily show fits in with the rest of it :) |
| 16:45.51 | tensai | there's truth to that. but they also have a clear purpose of making fun of things, and don't purport to be fair and balanced. |
| 16:46.20 | Jayce^ | hrm, is there a way to make sshfs flush any kind of cache it has? have a changed file, and opening via sshfs aint seeing the change |
| 16:46.58 | Jayce^ | tensai, yeah, my problem is I often don't agree with the views, and often the type of humor :) but they are open about it, which I respect.. |
| 16:47.01 | levi | Jayce^: I found a 2007 nytimes article about Urban Outfitters selling them, but there wasn't any explicit 'support hamas' link there and they ended up pulling them due to controversy. Everything I've found says that Ray's neckwear was simply a paisley scarf that just *looked* kind of like a kaffiyeh to an insane dingbat. |
| 16:47.37 | harleypig | levi: or a bored housewife. |
| 16:47.47 | Jayce^ | levi, maybe urban came later (I'm going off old memory on that one, from something I found rather insignificant) |
| 16:48.20 | levi | harleypig: Are you saying Michelle Malkin is a bored housewife instead of an insane dingbat? |
| 16:50.05 | harleypig | Nope. I have no idea who Michelle Malkin is. |
| 16:50.24 | harleypig | just adding my own insanity to the mix. |
| 16:50.52 | elg | so i'm debating wiping my laptop and putting linux on |
| 16:51.09 | levi | On your MacBook? |
| 16:51.32 | elg | yeah |
| 16:52.09 | levi | Why would you do that? |
| 16:52.10 | elg | now that I'm doing actual research, I keep needing applications that cost hundreds on osx and have free and excellent equivalents in linux |
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| 16:52.52 | elg | shh, don't tell sjansen |
| 16:53.05 | levi | They don't cross-compile? |
| 16:53.11 | elg | some, but not all |
| 16:53.17 | sjansen | I already know everything. |
| 16:53.18 | elg | rosegarden is the one i'm thinking of at the moment |
| 16:53.50 | elg | i wonder if i could dual-boot using an external drive |
| 16:53.51 | sjansen | And I've decided to hold _you_ responsible, elg. |
| 16:54.02 | elg | sjansen: that's what happens when you hang around me |
| 16:54.07 | levi | elg: Why not dual-boot on the internal drive? |
| 16:54.10 | elg | didn't they tell you? |
| 16:54.30 | sjansen | They didn't have to, I already knew. |
| 16:54.44 | elg | but if you already knew that... |
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| 16:55.07 | elg | not to mention the midi driver for this keyboard in osx is buggy as all get out |
| 16:57.30 | Jayce^ | elg, why not just get another laptop..... (hehehehehee) |
| 16:57.42 | harleypig | Just steal Jayce^'s |
| 16:58.16 | Jayce^ | gives harleypig the clown salute from "On the Precipice..." |
| 16:58.20 | Jayce^ | rain-slicked. |
| 16:58.27 | elg | well actually it wouldn't even have to be a laptop, a desktop would do |
| 16:58.58 | elg | hmmmm, there's two windows boxes in this room that won't be used all summer. they have windows, they're managed by the IT guys in the dept |
| 16:59.09 | elg | but maybe I could sneak linux on one |
| 17:00.23 | levi | There you go. :) |
| 17:01.02 | Jayce^ | and then once it's yours, it's never going back :) |
| 17:01.18 | Jayce^ | it's like a government program |
| 17:25.28 | findlay | the computer swag comes thick at UVSC |
| 17:25.54 | findlay | I think we're in a mentality of spending lots of dollars on computer hardware while not thinking about it |
| 17:26.19 | findlay | kind of wasteful if you ask me, but we have to do our part to preserve Moore's law, I guess |
| 17:26.30 | levi | What computer swag are you referring to? |
| 17:28.34 | findlay | levi: last month they swapped out some perfectly good computers in the physics department that were only a few years old with some brand new dual core machines for no apparent reason that I can gather |
| 17:29.19 | findlay | some of them were having software problems, but I guess when that happens you swap the whole machine |
| 17:29.30 | levi | Well, if you like the old ones so much, you can buy them at the surplus sale or something. |
| 17:30.16 | findlay | I don't much care about what computers they have. I'm just surprised at how easily they'll pick up new computers |
| 17:31.37 | levi | You said they were a few years old. |
| 17:32.06 | findlay | so? |
| 17:32.35 | sjansen | http://www.blinkenlights.de/gallery/index.en.html |
| 17:32.39 | brac | [Project Blinkenlights: Blinkenlights Gallery] |
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| 17:33.01 | findlay | if they ran XP well back then, why aren't they good enough now? |
| 17:34.12 | levi | If you've got the budget to keep your computers up-to-date, why not do it? |
| 17:34.53 | findlay | still seems a little wasteful to me |
| 17:35.12 | levi | Computers aren't the expensive, in the grand scheme of things. |
| 17:35.19 | findlay | levi: maybe it's time for you to go and buy the latest model Miata |
| 17:35.20 | levi | Er, aren't that expensive. |
| 17:35.20 | sjansen | Well, sometimes they are. |
| 17:35.28 | findlay | just to keep your car updated |
| 17:35.40 | sjansen | When the CPU is limiting your employees productivity, hardware is cheap. |
| 17:35.44 | levi | findlay: We're talking an order of magnitude difference in price, there. |
| 17:36.15 | sjansen | When the CPU is keeping a phone log and running minesweeper, hardware is expensive. |
| 17:36.17 | findlay | levi: I'm resigned to argue whatever at this point because I'm lazy |
| 17:36.19 | findlay | :) |
| 17:37.45 | findlay | sjansen: imagine a beowolf cluster of minesweep ... oh, whatever |
| 17:37.57 | sjansen | In the grand scheme of things, toilet paper isn't expensive. But that doesn't make it appropriate as insulation. |
| 17:40.23 | *** topic/#utah by sjansen -> http://plug.org/irc | Channel log @ http://ibot.rikers.org/%23utah/ | UTOSC 2008 Call for Papers @http://2008.utosc.com | sjansen hasn't done anything noteworthy lately |
| 17:44.50 | findlay | except patch his insulation with crumpled tissue paper |
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| 17:47.37 | findlay | TimRiker: do you have a GTA01? |
| 17:48.49 | TimRiker | findlay: yes. with the dev board. |
| 17:48.55 | mrpull | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshalite |
| 17:48.58 | findlay | and? |
| 17:49.01 | mrpull | how cool is that traffic light? |
| 17:49.03 | TimRiker | would rather have a GTO67 though. |
| 17:49.04 | findlay | how is it working out? |
| 17:49.15 | mrpull | I propose we replace all of the existing ones |
| 17:49.29 | TimRiker | findlay: I don't use it, I just follow the development now and then. |
| 17:50.06 | TimRiker | findlay: following the work on the htc devices too. More options in hardware, but not much in the way of linux support yet. |
| 17:50.20 | findlay | TimRiker: how much will you give it to me for? :) |
| 17:50.39 | TimRiker | the neo won't equal the motorola a1200 for example. sure would be nice to get an open stack on the a1200. |
| 17:50.57 | findlay | mrpull: I like it now that some pedestrian signals have countdowns |
| 17:51.00 | TimRiker | findlay: heh. the company bought it, so it's not really for sale. |
| 17:51.36 | findlay | what's a GTO67? |
| 17:51.48 | TimRiker | remembers that he never got re-imbursed... so perhaps... :) |
| 17:52.25 | TimRiker | just being silly. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontiac_GTO#1967 |
| 17:52.49 | findlay | :) |
| 17:53.25 | RyanE | http://www.hobbiesplus.com.au/signspotters/P1010017r.jpg <-- Now *that* is a signal... |
| 17:53.56 | findlay | haha |
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| 18:19.07 | mrpull | RyanE: that isn't a signal, that is a weapon! |
| 18:19.17 | ^Migs^ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osnUB9bUm-E |
| 18:23.56 | findlay | TimRiker: what do you think of the (vaporware?) android? |
| 18:24.19 | findlay | you can only access the API with java? |
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| 19:03.55 | findlay | Jayce^: ping! |
| 19:05.40 | Jayce^ | ~pong findlay |
| 19:05.41 | ibot | findlay: PONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 19:06.52 | findlay | Jayce^: what do you know about EDI? |
| 19:08.53 | findlay | I'm trying to find an OSS utility to deal with it |
| 19:09.11 | findlay | I figured there would be a full set of CPAN modules, but sadly not |
| 19:09.27 | eggyknap | knows he hates EDI |
| 19:10.15 | findlay | well I'd rather deal with it than $expensive_proprietary_edi_windows-only_software |
| 19:11.19 | findlay | might as well just use some edi service website |
| 19:11.56 | findlay | let them process the ancient, cryptic incantations |
| 19:13.09 | findlay | "EDIFACT is often called "the nightmare of the paperless office" when you show a programmer the standard draft. Those 2700 pages of horror-filled advisory-board English have given many programmers headaches." |
| 19:13.14 | findlay | haha |
| 19:16.10 | fozzmoo | EDI is a nebulous thing. |
| 19:16.21 | fozzmoo | You're not going to find one program that does EDI |
| 19:16.42 | fozzmoo | EDI "standards" are defined by the parties communicating and the network carrying their communication. |
| 19:16.52 | findlay | guess the suits should just throw money at the third party, then |
| 19:17.11 | fozzmoo | That being said, the specs are often well defined and published. |
| 19:17.23 | fozzmoo | So, any language can be used to interpret and process them. |
| 19:17.45 | fozzmoo | Perl is ideal since most EDI transactions are still like fixed-length ASCII text. |
| 19:18.01 | fozzmoo | EDI is moving to XML, tho, which makes it even more accessible by modern languages. |
| 19:20.10 | findlay | as it was devised in the days of such languages of limited parsing power as COBOL and RPG |
| 19:20.58 | fozzmoo | nods |
| 19:22.43 | Jayce^ | findlay, it is a nightmare, designed for large companies that pay large amounts for 3rd parties to deal with it |
| 19:23.25 | Jayce^ | fozzmoo's notes are quite accurate |
| 19:23.43 | eggyknap | has to use webMethods to do EDI, which is a classic $expensive_proprietary_edi_windows-only_software package, except that the server portion runs on UNIX as well. |
| 19:25.26 | findlay | Jayce^: how much do small companies pay for it?? |
| 19:25.30 | findlay | s/?// |
| 19:28.33 | Jayce^ | well, they usually are paying for a tool that uses it, not knowing what's behind the scenes |
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| 19:42.17 | findlay | ~ChanServ |
| 19:42.18 | ibot | rumour has it, chanserv is Adys' babycakes |
| 19:58.34 | tensai | ~babycakes |
| 19:59.29 | tensai | ~babycakes is <reply> mmm, babies |
| 19:59.30 | ibot | tensai: okay |
| 20:06.58 | mrpull | anybody aware of layer 2 flow control settings in an Ethernet? |
| 20:07.01 | goozbach | what we need is a OOS project which does everthing ITIL and EDI and <insert big buisness acronym here>. |
| 20:07.32 | maquis | ~OOS |
| 20:07.43 | levi | mrpull: What sort of layer 2 flow control settings? |
| 20:09.38 | tensai | there's csma/cd, of course |
| 20:10.31 | Sargun | mrpull, CoS |
| 20:11.01 | mrpull | levi: I'm not sure, previously I've never heard of anybody actually having flow control on an ethernet |
| 20:11.04 | Sargun | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethernet |
| 20:11.42 | Sargun | there is quite a bit of Flow control that can go on in layer 2 |
| 20:12.49 | levi | Well, modern Ethernet doesn't really do CSMA/CD anymore. |
| 20:13.09 | mrpull | awesome... I was unaware. I'm reading up a little now. I was concerned somebody was mixing terminology. |
| 20:15.04 | Sargun | mrpull, why do you ask |
| 20:15.06 | levi | What happens to slow things down in modern Ethernets is that switches (aka bridges in 802.1-speak) can't keep up and drop packets, or endpoints can't keep up with the traffic they receive and bust their buffers. |
| 20:15.41 | Sargun | levi, queuing theory = most peoples version of "flow control" |
| 20:17.36 | levi | There isn't a finished standard for doing QoS over Ethernet, but 802.1Qav is in the works. |
| 20:19.36 | TimRiker | findlay: lagging.... |
| 20:19.37 | TimRiker | ~android |
| 20:19.37 | ibot | android is, like, an Open Handset Alliance Project by Google or an alleged Open Source phone software stack that's really not open. http://code.google.com/android/ |
| 20:19.43 | brac | [Android] |
| 20:20.28 | TimRiker | android is wierd. each of 4 tasks running on the device run as a different unix user. the system uses those user ids as the security model. |
| 20:20.44 | TimRiker | app1 can't see app2's files unless app2 makes them shared. |
| 20:21.21 | Sargun | that makes sense. |
| 20:21.27 | TimRiker | it's interesting, but it's not normal posix. so although android has a linux kernel doing ssh into the device is problematic. |
| 20:21.50 | TimRiker | the "users" that exist equate to the apps that are installed. there is no non-root default user. |
| 20:22.10 | Sargun | what is the "launcher" launched by? |
| 20:22.13 | TimRiker | furthermore, there is no /etc/password (or shadow) or the other normal unix things. |
| 20:22.17 | Sargun | and how is it setuid'ing? |
| 20:22.25 | TimRiker | even the C library is in a wierd place. |
| 20:22.47 | TimRiker | the launcher back end runs as root. the gui launcher is just another app. |
| 20:23.31 | TimRiker | so all requests go through the newly exploitable root services. all of which are new, and many of which have security bugs. |
| 20:23.48 | TimRiker | it's a case of NIH gone wild. |
| 20:23.53 | Sargun | I wonder how it does IPC |
| 20:24.09 | Sargun | sounds like MacNix |
| 20:24.18 | TimRiker | Sargun: new protocols. there is no normal IPC. |
| 20:24.54 | TimRiker | at least with osx/iphone there are normal unix users. not that they use more than one, but they are there. |
| 20:26.04 | Sargun | heh. Well, I mean, is it over lo, or does it use mmap + signals, or something else/ |
| 20:27.19 | maquis | my favorite feature of songbird: being able to go to a website and have ti turn all mp3s in the page into a playlist to listen to... |
| 20:27.52 | TimRiker | I believe all of nmap, pipes, and signals are in the mix. |
| 20:28.01 | TimRiker | s/nmap/mmap/ |
| 20:28.12 | levi | Sorry, I was mistaken... 802.1p adds QoS features to 802.1Q (VLAN tagging) and 802.1av will add timing-sensitivity to 802.1Q. |
| 20:28.55 | maquis | ~crackberry |
| 20:36.19 | Sargun | ah. |
| 20:36.38 | Sargun | levi, 802.1q is a subset of ethernet-2 right? |
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| 20:58.58 | tensai | nat!!! |
| 21:08.39 | Jayce^ | tensai, you mad at redbeard2's wife again? |
| 21:09.09 | tensai | Jayce^: not today. maybe tomorrow. |
| 21:09.24 | tensai | I reaffirm my hatred of network address translation |
| 21:10.41 | goozbach | bridging is a PITA |
| 21:13.27 | Jayce^ | goozbach, what do river crossings and lunatic vegans have to do with each other? |
| 21:14.22 | jsmith | Jayce^: I give... |
| 21:14.42 | jsmith | tensai: Got bitten by NAT again, eh? |
| 21:15.55 | tensai | jsmith: this time it's split dns |
| 21:17.16 | jsmith | tensai: Oh?!? Did you blog about it? |
| 21:17.22 | jsmith | wants all the juicy details |
| 21:17.56 | levi | Hmm, the new VIA Nano chip may make an HD-capable MythTV frontend. |
| 21:19.07 | tensai | jsmith: it's not really that interesting. we just brought a few new servers online and the crazy nat network setup is causing issues. |
| 21:19.41 | tensai | and since these servers have a one-to-one nat, it's not like there's any difference between that and having a good stateful, non-nat firewall |
| 21:20.17 | jsmith | tensai: Ugh |
| 21:20.51 | tensai | also, it's not like we're hurting for IP addresses. we're an isp for crying out loud. |
| 21:21.01 | tensai | I've got IP addresses coming out the wazoo |
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| 21:22.17 | goozbach | I'm trying to get some virtulized guests bridged to my main network to avoid NAT problems myself |
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| 21:31.21 | goozbach | redbeard2: you rock! |
| 21:32.06 | goozbach | "the word of the day is swappiness" |
| 21:32.13 | goozbach | freaking rock! |
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| 21:38.10 | mrpull | reports tensai to ARIN's address recovery police squad |
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| 21:55.25 | nick125 | Hey...anyone here have any ideas on how to repair a bowing cinder block wall? I've got a wall going around the property line that is beginning to bow and the mortar is essentially nonexistant. |
| 21:56.11 | levi | You don't generally put a cinder block wall together with mortar. You stack the blocks, put rebar down the holes, and fill them with concrete. |
| 21:56.50 | levi | Is it a retaining wall with dirt behind it that's causing it to bow? |
| 21:57.26 | nick125 | There are some trees near the wall, and I believe thats causing it to bow |
| 21:57.54 | levi | So the roots are pushing up some of the blocks? |
| 21:58.12 | nick125 | Yeah, I pulled out the roots as far down as I could go. |
| 21:59.38 | goozbach | tear it down and start again, this time with a reall retaining wall block. |
| 21:59.45 | goozbach | stout, and solid |
| 21:59.53 | goozbach | interlocking preferbaly |
| 21:59.54 | levi | I'm not sure how you'd fix it aside from knocking out a chunk, fixing the ground underneath, and rebuilding that section. |
| 22:00.21 | levi | goozbach: If you put together a cinder block wall correctly, like I explained above, it will be quite solid. |
| 22:00.25 | goozbach | and make sure the back side of the wall (the non-exposed part) has plenty of draniage |
| 22:00.35 | levi | goozbach: And it's not a retaining wall. |
| 22:00.54 | nick125 | It's more of a fence on the property line. |
| 22:00.56 | goozbach | I see, it's free standing, NM |
| 22:01.06 | goozbach | I was assuming retaining wall |
| 22:01.20 | goozbach | ok, new rant, |
| 22:01.31 | levi | If you just pile a bunch of cinder blocks, a good shove will topple it. |
| 22:02.08 | goozbach | make sure that your sections of wall are short (approx 10-15 feet) and that you have a proper column (with proper footings) between each section. |
| 22:02.29 | nick125 | So you're suggesting to tear the wall down, and put it back up with concrete down the columns and rebar? |
| 22:02.42 | elg | tear the wall down and put up chainlink fence |
| 22:02.53 | levi | Ew, not chainlink fence. |
| 22:02.57 | elg | ;-) |
| 22:03.03 | goozbach | and of course, have a good footing |
| 22:03.22 | goozbach | have a good footing, good bricks laid properyly with good mortar |
| 22:03.33 | goozbach | rebar and concrete in the bricks, |
| 22:03.50 | goozbach | and columns to support your wall. |
| 22:04.10 | goozbach | so it looks something like this =------=------=------=------= |
| 22:04.35 | Sargun_screen | nick125: Just make a giant wall |
| 22:04.38 | Sargun_screen | with robots. |
| 22:04.44 | Sargun_screen | That attack your car. |
| 22:07.21 | elg | robots that attack your dog are better |
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| 22:22.51 | levi | Here's how you build concrete block fences in Pasadena: http://www.ci.pasadena.ca.us/permitcenter/pdf/blkwall.pdf |
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| 22:25.20 | nick125 | Well, don't have to worry about tearing the wall down now |
| 22:27.15 | levi | Why's that? |
| 22:32.14 | elg | well that was a bust |
| 22:32.33 | elg | i installed linux on yonder computer, and it worked great except that yonder computer is a piece of trash |
| 22:33.21 | elg | from the very beginning, running the live CD, it would pause. the behavior is something like i might expect if dma were disabled on the hdd and firefox were starting |
| 22:33.42 | levi | Running a live CD is like that. |
| 22:34.00 | levi | But doing it after you install is unforgiveable. |
| 22:34.21 | elg | persisted after installation, occasionally blowing up and making it impossible to use. interestingly, with a realtime kernel and jack in realtime mode, jack doesn't miss a beat, but the rest of the desktop is thrashing |
| 22:34.32 | elg | i didn't check if it was ram, maybe it's just pitifully under-memorized |
| 22:34.57 | elg | anyway, now I'm looking into installing linux on a firewire drive |
| 22:35.01 | levi | Weird. |
| 22:35.13 | levi | Don't have room for another partition on your primary drive? |
| 22:35.20 | elg | nope |
| 22:35.23 | elg | osx is a disk hog |
| 22:35.28 | elg | and so am I |
| 22:35.42 | elg | together we consume the whole drive |
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| 22:42.01 | hatchmt | is away: headed home... |
| 22:42.19 | *** kick/#utah [hatchmt!n=fugalh@dhcp12.cs.nmsu.edu] by elg (hatchmt is away) |
| 22:47.50 | maquis | exit |
| 22:47.51 | maquis | er |
| 22:48.12 | bonez45 | hi maquis |
| 22:48.14 | bonez45 | how's life... |
| 22:50.42 | elg | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:50.51 | maquis | bonez45: things are going well |
| 22:50.53 | maquis | how are you? |
| 22:50.53 | ibot | maquis: eh, ok |
| 22:51.16 | maquis | ibot: i wasn't talking to you, but i'm glad to know you're ok as well |
| 22:51.17 | ibot | You wasn't talking to you, but i'm glad to know you're ok as well? |
| 22:51.45 | Dew420 | lol |
| 22:51.52 | maquis | elg: same to you |
| 22:52.10 | elg | i'm glad you'r glad I'm ok |
| 22:52.17 | bonez45 | growing.... |
| 22:52.24 | bonez45 | sounds like a counseling session, eh? |
| 22:52.42 | maquis | bonez45: growing? |
| 22:54.04 | bonez45 | yeah, business is growing....I should have clarified...I am trying to make m\e.....shrink....working out and such...but expanding business... |
| 22:54.52 | maquis | :) |
| 22:55.44 | bonez45 | maquis: remind me..you are working...done with school, right? not going for the piled higher and deeper like elg here is? |
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| 23:02.49 | Sargun_screen | bonez45: IIRC she works for Amazon,Inc. |
| 23:02.56 | Sargun_screen | In Seattle, WA. |
| 23:03.20 | bonez45 | ah..... |
| 23:03.22 | bonez45 | cool |
| 23:03.43 | Sargun_screen | One of the world's foremost internet retailers (they're awesome! |
| 23:04.08 | bonez45 | yeah, they are..I am fixing to buy several books from amazon, soon |
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| 23:35.08 | goozbach | ~convert 1468694 seconds to hours |
| 23:35.18 | goozbach | ~convert 1468694 seconds to days |
| 23:35.28 | goozbach | WTF! |
| 23:35.38 | synic | ~convert my current position to home |
| 23:35.47 | synic | screw you, ibot |
| 23:38.01 | Sargun_screen | =[p0-;lkiok;io/,klo0p,maquis |
| 23:38.09 | Sargun_screen | that was my mother.~ |
| 23:39.11 | maquis | Sargun_screen: sure... |
| 23:39.39 | Sargun_screen | It was :-X |
| 23:39.45 | Sargun_screen | I'm being driven to LA. |
| 23:40.00 | Sargun_screen | and mym mom wants me computer. |
| 23:41.19 | Sargun_screen | yay, non blocking is Erlang |
| 23:41.27 | Sargun_screen | er, erlang is non blocking |
| 23:41.41 | Sargun_screen | I hate MPIs which don't have nonblocking (deadlocking) interfaces |
| 23:42.28 | Sargun_screen | I need more power (CDMA/EVDO) |
