| 00:09.39 | nick125 | macnewbold: Yeah, that might be it.. |
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| 01:06.54 | Sargun_screen | Hm. |
| 01:07.14 | Sargun_screen | I wonder why I don't feel bad shooting down fastfood workers |
| 01:16.06 | Dew420 | hum |
| 01:16.07 | Dew420 | I dno |
| 01:16.11 | Dew420 | They work for min wage? |
| 01:16.14 | Dew420 | lol |
| 01:18.56 | sontek | Sargun_screen: because you are rude! |
| 01:19.34 | Sargun_screen | Dew420: I'm writing heuristics software to examine thousands of timecards a day in order to spot fraud |
| 01:20.06 | Sargun_screen | It'll use machine mlearning based on the entire corporation |
| 01:20.38 | Sargun_screen | basically if someone's times aren't random enough, are too random, etc. |
| 01:48.57 | lakshmi | hey Sargun_screen |
| 02:07.19 | lakshmi | dude |
| 02:07.25 | lakshmi | why cant my number start with 66 |
| 02:07.27 | lakshmi | er 666 |
| 02:07.33 | lakshmi | :-/ |
| 02:09.17 | Dew420 | I want the number 555-5555 :/ but noooooooo you can't have 555 :D rofl |
| 02:09.53 | lakshmi | i want the number 666-1234 |
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| 02:18.32 | Dew420`irie | Anyone here use audacious + conky? |
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| 02:31.01 | Dew420`irie | bleh. my lagged me is still in here. lame |
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| 04:22.26 | lakshmi | ~ lart sargun |
| 04:22.26 | ibot | whips sargun with a wet and grimy noodle just because |
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| 04:26.14 | devhen | *ping* all |
| 04:26.16 | devhen | :) |
| 04:41.07 | levi | Yo. |
| 04:41.23 | devhen | can anyone recommend a good chunk size for a mysql raid1+0 array |
| 04:42.33 | devhen | its on a web server and does mostly lots of small I/O as opposed to a small amount of large I/O |
| 04:42.43 | devhen | should i go higher than 128k ? |
| 04:43.01 | levi | Sorry, that's outside my expertise. |
| 04:43.59 | Sargun | what's your file system? underlying storage device? |
| 04:45.33 | encryptz | devhen: 64k should be sufficient i would think |
| 04:45.58 | devhen | encryptz: ive heard bigger is better for a lots of small read/writes |
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| 04:46.18 | devhen | so you dont think 128k would perform any better than the default 64k ? |
| 04:46.55 | encryptz | hmmm |
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| 04:47.51 | levi | For regular disk usage, small files would be better for small reads/writes. But databases typically want to do their own i/o, so my guess would be that filesystem block size makes less difference. |
| 04:47.52 | encryptz | i've actually never personally benchmarked |
| 04:48.10 | levi | s/small files/small blocks/ |
| 04:49.27 | levi | elg: So, I have 4 garden beds that are roughly 4' square now. |
| 04:50.33 | levi | They're not loosened as deeply as I'd like, but that will improve in the coming years. |
| 04:50.48 | encryptz | i have noticed, however, that after acquiring a new triple interface (firewire{400,800}, usb2), that firewire400 is roughly 40% faster on reads than usb2, and about 15% faster on writes |
| 04:50.55 | elg | fun |
| 04:50.57 | levi | I've got at least 6" of nicely loosened topsoil on each of them. |
| 04:52.00 | levi | encryptz: Yeah, everyone looks at how usb2 has a higher peak transfer rate, but firewire actually ends up being faster in practice. |
| 04:52.27 | levi | Unfortunately, usb2 has pretty much won that battle outside of the digital video world. |
| 04:52.53 | elg | why is that? |
| 04:52.57 | encryptz | yeah. intel is a good marketer. have to give them that |
| 04:53.03 | levi | Why is what? |
| 04:53.10 | elg | that usb won over firewire |
| 04:53.33 | encryptz | backwards compatibility for one. usb3 -> usb2 -> usb1.1 |
| 04:53.35 | elg | from where I sat, not paying attention, it was the firewire was more expensive and not there by default |
| 04:54.00 | elg | well, until I got my laptop with firewire I guess |
| 04:54.03 | elg | but it has usb too |
| 04:54.13 | encryptz | yeah. i hear the chips are pricey. and the cables too |
| 04:54.43 | encryptz | which i guess is why firewire1600 (?) is going to cat6? |
| 04:54.49 | levi | Yeah, usb in its earlier forms has been available by default for a long time, firewire is more expensive, and the usb2 numbers *look* better to the uninformed. |
| 04:55.14 | levi | Ick, cat6 is for ethernet! |
| 04:55.23 | elg | well, firewire was touted as faster than usb2 by lots of uninformed |
| 04:55.37 | encryptz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FireWire#FireWire_S800T_.28IEEE_1394c-2006.29 |
| 04:55.46 | encryptz | Firewire S800T is it |
| 04:55.50 | elg | so you're saying the pseudoinformed browbeat the uninformed who were actually right to begin with ;-) |
| 04:56.37 | levi | elg: I think the real clincher was price/performance, but the pseudoinformed didn't help anything. |
| 04:57.06 | levi | It's telling, I think, that iPods moved away from firewire, and some Mac laptops don't have it anymore. |
| 04:57.09 | elg | i'm sure the pseudoinformed were secretly egged on by the marketing suit |
| 04:57.10 | elg | s |
| 04:57.12 | levi | IIRC, anyway. |
| 04:57.30 | encryptz | macbooks don't have firewire anymore? didn't apple create it? |
| 04:57.44 | elg | my macbook does, though I can't speak for more recent models |
| 04:58.04 | encryptz | i thought osx required it |
| 04:58.44 | levi | The Air doesn't have it. |
| 04:58.53 | encryptz | well, the air doesn't have a lot of things |
| 04:59.04 | elg | but it does have osx |
| 04:59.14 | encryptz | it may have it internally on the mobo |
| 04:59.23 | encryptz | although i'd be guessing |
| 04:59.45 | levi | My point is, Apple doesn't even try to push it in the iPods anymore. It's relegated solely to digital video. |
| 04:59.59 | elg | that might be a cost thing |
| 05:00.05 | elg | if usb is indeed cheaper |
| 05:00.17 | encryptz | that is a bad call for apple though, on the air |
| 05:00.21 | levi | Possibly. I don't really know. |
| 05:00.35 | encryptz | if they are pushing digital lifestyle, and your digital vid camera can't even connect... |
| 05:00.53 | elg | i don't know that that's the push of the air |
| 05:01.09 | encryptz | probably not |
| 05:01.23 | elg | it's the really light novel toy |
| 05:01.29 | encryptz | portable wifi coffee shop transient seems more the target |
| 05:02.01 | levi | Digital lifestyle is the iMac and MacBook target. |
| 05:02.35 | levi | Hmm, once again, UVSC is not interested in taking my money. Stupid web apps that close at night for 'system processing'. |
| 05:02.46 | encryptz | at any event, i'm liking my firewire drive |
| 05:04.26 | levi | Yeah, I like firewire. |
| 05:05.39 | levi | Though, as ethernet gets faster, I think it will become even less relevant. |
| 05:06.28 | levi | I think USB will take over as the peripheral bus and ethernet + AVB will take over for digital audio/video stuff. |
| 05:07.10 | levi | Of course, I say this because I'm working on the AVB stuff, but I really do think it could take off in a big way. |
| 05:07.48 | levi | And it will totally rock for home media stuff. |
| 05:07.58 | encryptz | usb will? |
| 05:08.04 | encryptz | or ethernet? |
| 05:08.13 | levi | Ethernet + AVB extensions. |
| 05:08.19 | encryptz | ahh. yeah |
| 05:08.26 | levi | AVB = audio/video bridging |
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| 05:09.05 | encryptz | right |
| 05:09.05 | elg | ugh. saturday it's supposed to break 100° |
| 05:09.14 | levi | It's a bunch of 802.1 protocols to support isochronous data streams with protected bandwidth. |
| 05:09.29 | encryptz | i would like to see more in the push for optical though. don't know about cost ratios |
| 05:09.48 | encryptz | optics just seem to make sense rather than copper wire |
| 05:10.05 | levi | And, in fact, the audio transport mechanism is based on the firewire audio transport protocol. You could make a simple bridge between the two. |
| 05:10.21 | levi | Why do you say that optics make more sense than copper wire? |
| 05:10.45 | elg | because you can't see electrons ;-) |
| 05:11.18 | encryptz | aren't the theoretical speeds substantially faster? |
| 05:11.21 | levi | Copper is easier to work with, is more durable, and I think it's still somewhat cheaper. |
| 05:11.36 | levi | Yeah. And you can run ethernet over copper. |
| 05:11.51 | encryptz | referring to fiber optics that is |
| 05:12.05 | encryptz | i guess it is a bit fragile though |
| 05:12.18 | encryptz | not something to carry in a laptop bag for your external drive |
| 05:12.28 | levi | Er, over fiber I meant, of course you can run it over copper. :) |
| 05:12.40 | encryptz | heh |
| 05:13.21 | levi | As new ethernet speed support comes out, it tends to have fiber support first, and then copper later as they work out the crazy voodoo they have to do in the PHY to get it to work. |
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| 05:13.35 | encryptz | with money not an option, i wonder what silver twisted pair could accomplish |
| 05:13.53 | Briz | hey whats up ppl |
| 05:13.58 | encryptz | better electrical conductor, and less impurities |
| 05:14.10 | Dew420 | Evening...or late night whichever you prefer |
| 05:14.25 | levi | I think the problem is not conductivity, but electrical noise that's picked up that interferes with the ultra-high-frequency switching on the wire. |
| 05:14.55 | encryptz | ahh |
| 05:15.11 | encryptz | thus the reason for all the shielding |
| 05:15.14 | levi | The twisted pair cable design reduces that, but there's also crazy voodoo magic that goes on in the PHY chips. |
| 05:17.28 | levi | On a lot of commercial-grade switches, you see 10/100/1000 RJ45 ports and then some 10-gig fiber uplinks. |
| 05:17.47 | encryptz | yeah. i'm actually looking at a linksys with those very options |
| 05:18.17 | encryptz | sr2024 is the one |
| 05:18.35 | levi | Anyway, fiber is nice, but you still want to run ethernet over it because of ethernet's ubiquity. |
| 05:19.03 | levi | Ubiquity means reasonable prices. :) |
| 05:19.21 | encryptz | heh |
| 05:19.30 | levi | There are higher-speed interconnects that run over fiber, but the interface cards get to be seriously expensive. |
| 05:20.43 | levi | For home use, ethernet is where it's at. |
| 05:20.44 | encryptz | expensive now. cheap tomorrow. :) |
| 05:20.53 | levi | No, they're niche technologies. |
| 05:21.21 | findlay | hello |
| 05:21.54 | encryptz | sr2024c is the one |
| 05:22.31 | encryptz | findlay: hello. how are you this evening? |
| 05:22.51 | findlay | encryptz: fine |
| 05:23.34 | levi | encryptz: What are you looking at that class of switch for? |
| 05:23.40 | findlay | just recorded some Mack Wilberg folk hymn arrangements in the tabernacle with Mack himself at the baton :) |
| 05:24.09 | findlay | that was awesome |
| 05:24.37 | findlay | levi: I want a classless switch! |
| 05:24.41 | encryptz | levi: traveling, mainly. something for install fests, classroom setups, temp networks. i want it small and compact to travel well, but enough to setup 20 boxes |
| 05:24.41 | Tene | 2GB microsd cards with SD adaptor on woot tonight |
| 05:24.50 | findlay | and a timeless one too |
| 05:25.09 | levi | encryptz: Ah, that sounds reasonable. |
| 05:25.29 | findlay | Tene: do you have an openmoke? |
| 05:25.34 | findlay | s/e/o/ |
| 05:25.39 | findlay | s/e/o/g |
| 05:25.50 | findlay | hehe |
| 05:25.58 | findlay | s/e/o/g |
| 05:27.49 | encryptz | levi: would there be a better switch? something i should keep a focus on? |
| 05:27.55 | Tene | findlay: no |
| 05:28.03 | encryptz | is ignorant to networking hardware for the most part |
| 05:28.10 | findlay | wow |
| 05:28.20 | findlay | has the potential to become more cool than Tene |
| 05:28.29 | encryptz | findlay: are you getting one? |
| 05:28.51 | findlay | encryptz: thinking about it |
| 05:28.58 | findlay | would be fun to hack around with |
| 05:29.15 | encryptz | very true |
| 05:30.37 | Tene | findlay: where from? gta01 is sold out, gta02 isn't publically available yet. |
| 05:30.42 | findlay | "SOLD OUT!" :-( |
| 05:30.51 | findlay | who sold it out? |
| 05:30.56 | findlay | I demand to know! |
| 05:31.33 | encryptz | ~blame herlo |
| 05:31.34 | ibot | ACTION blames herlo (and Canada) for all the evil in the world |
| 05:31.40 | Tene | been sold out for quite a while. gta01 was just a developer prerelease. |
| 05:31.51 | Tene | gta02 is the public release. should be available in early june. |
| 05:31.56 | Tene | some devs already have one |
| 05:32.36 | Tene | I still need to figure out what to teach tomorrow. |
| 05:32.50 | Tene | encryptz: what are you teaching tomorrow? |
| 05:34.24 | encryptz | Tene: filesystems vs partitions and a simple lvm snapshot analogy |
| 05:34.27 | encryptz | Tene: you? |
| 05:34.52 | Tene | no clue |
| 05:35.01 | Tene | was thinking about something networking-related. |
| 05:35.34 | Tene | anything you're interested in seeing? |
| 05:36.12 | encryptz | i would like to learn more ipv6 foo |
| 05:36.30 | encryptz | that's a weakness of mine when teaching that courselet |
| 05:38.02 | levi | encryptz: That switch should be just fine. I was thinking it was overkill if you didn't need that many ports, but it sounds like you do. |
| 05:39.16 | encryptz | need? no. want? yes. |
| 05:39.26 | encryptz | i dunno. i'm toying with the idea |
| 05:40.02 | encryptz | when traveling, i've hit some 10Mbit networks, and that's just a pain to deal with, so i thought bringing my own swtich may help |
| 05:40.24 | encryptz | but, realistically speaking, it would probably rarely get used |
| 05:40.28 | levi | You probably don't really need gigabit, either. |
| 05:41.11 | levi | redbeard never replies to the comments I leave on his blog. :P |
| 05:41.42 | Sargun | Gigabit is awesome |
| 05:42.13 | encryptz | heh: http://www.brandinfection.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/apple_infection.jpg |
| 05:42.45 | encryptz | i sure hope that was taken at macworld, or some other apple-related event |
| 05:44.21 | levi | Looks like a school. |
| 05:45.35 | encryptz | yeah. probably a university. although, i doubt it's class. it's filled to the brim, and everyone has a laptop. i've never seen that in class before. maybe 5 or 6, but _everyone_? |
| 05:45.56 | elg | some schools require laptops |
| 05:46.22 | levi | Yeah, I imagine it's a school that has a deal to provide you with an Apple laptop. |
| 05:46.33 | encryptz | ahh. true |
| 05:46.44 | encryptz | like neumont and the thinkpads |
| 05:46.51 | levi | And then there are some freaks that go and buy their own laptop anyway because they don't like Macs. |
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| 05:47.01 | elg | :) |
| 05:47.26 | elg | de freaks no disputatum est |
| 05:50.22 | levi | encryptz: It's the Missouri School of Journalism. |
| 05:51.27 | encryptz | how did you find out? |
| 05:51.34 | encryptz | s/how/where/ |
| 05:52.01 | levi | From their web site: Students are encouraged to acquire wireless laptop technology from Apple, which the School has designated as its preferred provider, but students also will have a choice of a Windows-based alternative. Last year, 99.5 percent of incoming students chose the Apple option. |
| 05:52.41 | levi | I've got mad internet skillz. ;) |
| 05:52.50 | encryptz | heh |
| 05:53.06 | levi | (I went to the base of the URL and looked for the blog entry that used the photo) |
| 05:54.26 | encryptz | yeah. i stumbled upon that googling images for firewire 800-400 adapters |
| 05:55.04 | encryptz | which eventually took me to http://cablek.com |
| 05:57.13 | encryptz | which now has taken me to firewire nand flash |
| 05:57.15 | encryptz | man i'm bored |
| 06:05.48 | levi | Mmm, parchment.googlecode.com |
| 06:59.18 | findlay | ugh |
| 06:59.31 | findlay | that's like doing the all Steinway thing |
| 06:59.45 | findlay | which is a waste |
| 07:00.01 | findlay | the only party that benefits is Steinway via snobbery |
| 07:01.11 | findlay | Steinway certainly does not have the corner on all good pianos and I can hardly believe Apple claims all the good computers, in spite of a few fanatics claiming otherwise |
| 07:01.41 | findlay | s/claims/has/ |
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| 07:24.29 | tyler | Somebody say hello to me |
| 07:24.32 | tyler | I'll wait... |
| 07:40.37 | Dew420 | uhm |
| 07:40.41 | Dew420 | hello |
| 07:42.51 | sontek | ~lart tyler |
| 07:42.51 | ibot | eats tyler and falls over dead |
| 07:46.55 | Dew420 | I think that's the best one i've seen |
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| 12:39.35 | encryptz | findlay: of course apple has all the best computer hardware, steinway has all the best pianos and kitchen aid has all the best kitchen appliances |
| 12:39.44 | encryptz | ~rlart |
| 12:39.45 | ibot | teaches ^Migs^ the basics, including how to RTM |
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| 13:18.08 | Sargun_screen | Hello all. Good morning. |
| 13:27.26 | ^Migs^ | I think Yamaha pwns the piano market |
| 13:35.36 | jsmith | has a Yamaha piano |
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| 13:44.35 | ^Migs^ | me too |
| 13:44.43 | ^Migs^ | digital piano, actually |
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| 13:49.05 | jsmith | ^Migs^: Me too, actually |
| 13:49.15 | jsmith | Clavinova... not the fanciest, but it works |
| 13:49.55 | elg | me three? |
| 13:53.46 | ^Migs^ | what model? |
| 13:53.48 | ^Migs^ | I have a Clavinova, too |
| 13:54.28 | ^Migs^ | CL-230 |
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| 14:30.51 | ^Migs^ | http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080528.wbcbaby28/BNStory/National/home?cid=al_gam_mostview |
| 14:30.53 | brac | [globeandmail.com: Vancouver newborn put up for sale on Craigslist] |
| 14:30.57 | ^Migs^ | VANCOUVER . The parents of a seven-day old Vancouver girl were arrested after allegedly trying to sell her on Craigslist. |
| 14:31.23 | ^Migs^ | what I don't understand, is how is this so different from going through an adoption agency? You're cutting out the middle man by using craigslist. |
| 14:34.27 | ^Migs^ | What I would like to see is a giant network of international baby profiteering. That's the next big step for capitalism. |
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| 14:49.37 | jsmith | ^Migs^: What's next... eBaby.com? |
| 14:51.40 | ^Migs^ | I should note that on the ebaby.com placeholder page, they're advertising you can enter your kid in a beauty contest and win $25,000. So clearly it's already okay for parents to pimp out their kids. |
| 14:52.10 | ^Migs^ | parents have been profiting off their kids for years |
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| 15:09.20 | vontrapp | crazy annoying problem, i have a dual monitor setup using xinerama on ubuntu hardy |
| 15:09.47 | vontrapp | whenever my display goes to sleep the window manager stops responding completely |
| 15:10.07 | vontrapp | x does't repaint unless i switch to a vt and back, but then still the wm doesn't respond |
| 15:10.24 | vontrapp | i can move the mouse cursor around, and pigdin wakes up |
| 15:10.32 | vontrapp | but i can't do anything |
| 15:11.15 | JoshH | i have a similar problem |
| 15:11.29 | JoshH | except i have 3 monitors, a twinview and a separate screen for the third monitor |
| 15:12.07 | JoshH | the third monitor stays black, unless i drag a window around it, or activate the compiz expose on it (i could also switch vt and back) |
| 15:12.38 | JoshH | but i only have to do that first thing in the morning when i get in, so it doesn't bother me too much |
| 15:13.37 | vontrapp | i can't even drag windows |
| 15:13.45 | vontrapp | on the visible monitor or otherwise |
| 15:14.11 | JoshH | that sucks |
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| 15:14.43 | vontrapp | do you think it's a wm problem or x itself? |
| 15:14.49 | JoshH | i know i didn't have the same problem with just 2 monitors, using nvidia drivers/twinview, never tried plain xinerama |
| 15:15.05 | vontrapp | i guess wm because the screen still updates, gkrellm ticks happily along, pidgin shows activity |
| 15:15.31 | JoshH | what wm? i'm using hardy/gnome |
| 15:15.49 | vontrapp | does twinview still give hints to the wm so windows don't straddle the screens when created? |
| 15:15.55 | vontrapp | hardy/gnome |
| 15:16.11 | JoshH | yes, but that actually breaks when you have 2 screens |
| 15:16.13 | vontrapp | compiz was enabled, but it seems to not be now |
| 15:17.02 | JoshH | so my gdm login and gksu dialogs straddle my twinview monitors, and my gnome panel stretches |
| 15:17.15 | JoshH | basically, with 2 screens, nvidia driver turns off the built in xinerama |
| 15:17.29 | JoshH | but with compiz running, maximizing to one monitor still works |
| 15:17.42 | vontrapp | hmmm |
| 15:17.48 | JoshH | so i just lock everything on my panel to the proper monitor |
| 15:17.49 | vontrapp | i kinda like my panel only on one screen |
| 15:18.00 | JoshH | me too |
| 15:18.13 | JoshH | i just have to ignore the empty gray bars |
| 15:18.32 | vontrapp | i don't have nvidia either, it's ATI |
| 15:18.42 | vontrapp | twinview is nvidia only, right? |
| 15:18.42 | JoshH | the quirks are worth dealing with for the extra space of a third monitor though |
| 15:18.44 | JoshH | yes |
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| 16:03.28 | levi | Good morning. |
| 16:03.41 | harleypig | anyone know of a way to upgrade just vim (and its dependencies) on a centos system? |
| 16:03.52 | Sargun | yum install -y vim |
| 16:03.54 | harleypig | My alpha system has vim 6.3, but I want to install 7.1 |
| 16:04.02 | Sargun | or |
| 16:04.03 | Sargun | yum install -y vi |
| 16:04.12 | harleypig | upgrade, not install |
| 16:04.14 | Sargun | dude |
| 16:04.18 | Sargun | Just believe me :-) |
| 16:04.21 | harleypig | ok |
| 16:04.44 | Sargun | (Disclaimer: I hate redhat products, and I'm not totally sure it will work.) |
| 16:04.49 | Sargun | Did it work? |
| 16:04.50 | harleypig | It didn't. |
| 16:04.54 | Sargun | hmph. |
| 16:04.56 | Sargun | Weird |
| 16:05.06 | Sargun | what did it say |
| 16:05.13 | Sargun | also, what version of CentOS are you using |
| 16:05.26 | harleypig | No match for argument vim ... hmmm ... |
| 16:05.30 | Sargun | oh |
| 16:05.33 | harleypig | I don't know ... how can I tell? |
| 16:05.37 | goozbach | harleypig: yum install vim-enhanced |
| 16:05.59 | goozbach | and the answer to the second question is: cat /etc/issue |
| 16:06.13 | harleypig | just tried that, didn't get no match this time, but still nothing to do. |
| 16:06.18 | Sargun | goozbach, cat /etc/redhat-release |
| 16:06.19 | harleypig | 4.6 |
| 16:06.25 | Sargun | Update to 5.1 |
| 16:06.28 | harleypig | Can't. |
| 16:06.36 | Sargun | Oh. |
| 16:06.42 | harleypig | Live servers have 4.6, alpha has to match. |
| 16:07.00 | Sargun | Yeah, yeah. |
| 16:07.04 | harleypig | heh |
| 16:07.05 | Sargun | really yum install should fix it |
| 16:07.53 | harleypig | as far as I can tell, the repositories it's looking at only have 6.3 ... I was hoping I could either point to or download packages. |
| 16:08.11 | Sargun | harleypig, what does rpm -qa|grep ^vi |
| 16:08.12 | Sargun | say |
| 16:08.16 | harleypig | But I don't want to mess up my alpha. Not that it's that big of a deal, I can create a new one easily enough. |
| 16:08.49 | Sargun | or you should be able to install the rpm |
| 16:08.51 | goozbach | harleypig: you'll want to download the packages for vim 7 from somewhere else then |
| 16:09.01 | harleypig | vim-*-6.3.046-0.40E.7.centos4 |
| 16:09.10 | harleypig | where * = common, enhanced, minimal |
| 16:09.16 | Sargun | hmm. |
| 16:09.22 | goozbach | centos4 won't have vim > 6.3 |
| 16:09.23 | Sargun | yum install vim-* |
| 16:09.31 | Sargun | you might want to escape that |
| 16:09.32 | goozbach | Sargun: that's not going to work |
| 16:09.45 | harleypig | vim 6.3 is already installed. |
| 16:09.53 | Sargun | ah, yeah vim-6.3 is the latest version for Rhel4 |
| 16:10.02 | Sargun | This is why I don't use Rhel :-) |
| 16:10.05 | Sargun | or vim.... |
| 16:10.29 | levi | harleypig: Going to a later version of vim from another package is likely to send you into RPM dependency hell. |
| 16:10.41 | levi | harleypig: I would recommend downloading the source and building it yourself. |
| 16:10.45 | Sargun | levi, At a minimum, if not a nuked system. |
| 16:10.56 | harleypig | meh |
| 16:11.01 | harleypig | levi: thx |
| 16:11.39 | levi | Or you could use this as an opportunity to learn emacs. ;) |
| 16:14.40 | harleypig | ~lart levi |
| 16:14.40 | ibot | crushes levi with a full height scsi disk |
| 16:15.08 | harleypig | That would be enough to start a jihad in some places. |
| 16:15.16 | harleypig | Fortunately, I'm an elightened vim users. |
| 16:15.24 | harleypig | s/s././ |
| 16:15.45 | levi | vim zealots are even sillier than gentoo users. |
| 16:15.54 | levi | enlightened vim users are okay, though. |
| 16:16.30 | levi | But they're missing the joy of being ambi-editor-ous. |
| 16:17.13 | JoshH | my plan to never even try emacs a single time in my life is still working |
| 16:17.22 | goozbach | JoshH: I commend you |
| 16:18.03 | JoshH | my greatest fear is that someone could take over my box and symlink vi to emacs, foiling my scheme |
| 16:18.18 | neybar | has anyone tried using a svn hook to keep an up to date set of ctags on a repository? |
| 16:18.32 | levi | See, that's the kind of blind zealotry that closes all sorts of opportunities. |
| 16:18.50 | levi | I happily use vi, vim, and emacs all the time. |
| 16:18.51 | goozbach | JoshH: you should install tripwire and setup an alert if that happens |
| 16:18.57 | JoshH | honestly it's just because i learned vi first, and like it enough to not bother spending any time learnign anything else |
| 16:19.21 | Sargun | I like Nano |
| 16:19.29 | levi | I learned DOS and Windows first, and I liked 'em fairly well, but I'm sure glad I took the time to learn other stuff. |
| 16:19.32 | Sargun | Its small and sexy |
| 16:19.43 | levi | My iPod Nano is small and sexy. |
| 16:20.11 | levi | (I have the generation before they turned into squattish ugly things) |
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| 16:22.00 | Sargun | (Ah, that's positive) |
| 16:22.50 | goozbach | my ipod nano is a dissapointment |
| 16:23.05 | levi | That's too bad. |
| 16:23.18 | levi | Why has it disappointed you? |
| 16:23.27 | goozbach | I bought it so I could put rockbox on it, turns out that the 2nd gen is encrypted differently making rockbox unusable |
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| 16:23.44 | levi | Well, that was silly. |
| 16:25.16 | levi | Sounds like rockbox disappointed you, not the nano. You had no intention of using the nano as a nano. |
| 16:27.00 | harleypig | One thing I like about vim is that it has an extensive test suite. |
| 16:29.08 | goozbach | Oh, I still listen to my nano, I just can't listen to my entire music collection as a great deal of it was encoded as vorbis |
| 16:30.39 | levi | harleypig: That's nice for the vim developers, I'm sure. |
| 16:30.55 | maquis | goozbach: rockbox? |
| 16:31.01 | maquis | oh |
| 16:31.06 | maquis | reads |
| 16:31.06 | levi | Heh. |
| 16:31.27 | harleypig | levi: it's nice for people compiling from source too |
| 16:31.35 | levi | harleypig: Why's that? |
| 16:33.48 | elg | ok, so i finally got xvmc working |
| 16:34.03 | levi | What'd you have to do to get it working? |
| 16:34.05 | elg | but only with Option "NvAGP" "0", i.e. disabled |
| 16:34.23 | levi | Oh, heh. That doesn't sound terribly useful. |
| 16:34.24 | elg | anything else i've tried hangs the process (mythfrontend or mplayer) |
| 16:34.44 | elg | it's able to do HD at 50-60%, but only when the OSD is off |
| 16:34.59 | elg | however, with Xv I can do HD at 50-60% already (with AGP on, not with it off) |
| 16:35.11 | elg | still, it points me in a direction I can research |
| 16:35.23 | levi | What happens when the OSD comes up? |
| 16:35.24 | elg | maybe there's some trick left to try |
| 16:35.34 | elg | myth pegs the CPU and it stutters along |
| 16:35.48 | levi | Hrm. |
| 16:35.53 | elg | the bob deinterlacing adds no noticeable cpu usage |
| 16:35.56 | levi | Less than useful. |
| 16:35.57 | elg | but looks terrible |
| 16:36.30 | elg | oh, and it's grayscale only, even though I have the not use textures thing in my xorg.conf |
| 16:36.38 | elg | but that doesn't bother me. i actually dislike the color scheme |
| 16:36.56 | levi | I forget which of bob & weave makes moving things sharp and still things blurry and which does the other. |
| 16:38.45 | levi | I haven't had luck getting good visuals out of transcoded myth video. The interlacing is always off when I burn to DVD, yet it's recorded at the full progressive framerate, so the DVD player doesn't deinterlace. |
| 16:39.06 | levi | By 'the interlacing is always off' I mean it looks bad. |
| 16:39.32 | Sargun | Wed May 28 09:39:31 PDT 2008 |
| 16:39.41 | elg | maybe if I could down the agp to 4x... |
| 16:40.38 | levi | Huh, Supreme Beings of Leisure have a new album out. |
| 16:41.07 | levi | elg: BTW, have you seen parchment.googlecode.com? |
| 16:41.58 | elg | interesting |
| 16:42.01 | harleypig | levi: It makes it easy to see what features need to be turned off to make the damn thing compile. |
| 16:43.20 | levi | elg: It makes a nice IF interface. |
| 16:45.00 | maquis | z-machine? |
| 16:45.19 | levi | maquis: z-machine is the virtual machine that runs the Infocom games. |
| 16:45.26 | maquis | oh |
| 16:45.27 | maquis | cool! |
| 16:45.32 | levi | And lots of subsequent interactive fiction games. |
| 16:45.48 | levi | Aaaaaargh! |
| 16:45.54 | levi | curses expiring passwords. |
| 16:46.14 | maquis | there's a hhgttg game, right? |
| 16:46.32 | harleypig | Uh ... if I type which vim and it shows me /usr/local/bin/vim, and then I type vim ... the binary at /usr/local/bin/vim should be the one executed, correct? |
| 16:46.39 | Tene | right |
| 16:46.49 | maquis | harleypig: normally |
| 16:46.52 | Tene | except in a few situations where some shells cache that information |
| 16:46.52 | harleypig | Somehow the old version of vim is being run. |
| 16:46.57 | maquis | unless you've got an alias, or something like that |
| 16:47.01 | harleypig | no alias. |
| 16:47.08 | maquis | have you tried \vim? |
| 16:47.13 | Tene | close your shell and open a new one |
| 16:47.13 | harleypig | ? |
| 16:47.22 | maquis | harleypig: \vim |
| 16:47.41 | maquis | that will ignore some shell stuff, but perhaps nto all of it |
| 16:48.08 | harleypig | maquis: that worked, but Tene's made it permanent. |
| 16:48.20 | maquis | harleypig: ok |
| 16:48.28 | maquis | glad it worked, at least :) |
| 16:48.32 | harleypig | :] |
| 16:48.33 | tensai | harleypig: hash -r probably would have done it too |
| 16:48.35 | maquis | mine wasn't expected to be permanent :) |
| 16:50.18 | harleypig | maquis: I know :] |
| 16:50.49 | levi | maquis: Yup, there's a hhgttg game. |
| 16:51.05 | maquis | has never really played any of these games much, but it looks interesting |
| 16:51.15 | maquis | the only one i've played is the one inside of emacs |
| 16:51.36 | levi | maquis: You might have to run parchment on your own server to play it, though, since it doesn't look like they've got it linked to any non-free games off their site. |
| 16:52.50 | maquis | levi: possibly |
| 16:53.05 | maquis | i'm looking at the zork troll guard game right now |
| 16:53.20 | maquis | some guy just went past me but i can't figure out how to do anything :( it won't let me go out of the room |
| 16:53.32 | maquis | and a slippery fellow with a bag just walked in, but is gone now |
| 16:53.39 | levi | maquis: It's not much of a real game. |
| 16:53.54 | levi | maquis: You can occasionally kill an adventurer that passes through, but that's about it. |
| 16:54.06 | levi | maquis: You should try the Curses game instead. |
| 16:54.22 | maquis | ah |
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| 17:04.46 | levi | I started playing it, but didn't get very far last night before I had to go to bed. |
| 17:20.11 | findlay | so, I have a problem |
| 17:20.44 | findlay | we have this old computer with failing hardware that's used to run external machinery |
| 17:20.47 | Sargun | The problem is findlay. |
| 17:21.21 | harleypig | I just heard this great joke! |
| 17:21.23 | findlay | so, I thought I'd swap out the hard drive with a better computer I had just sitting around, except windows threw a blue screen when I did that |
| 17:21.32 | harleypig | It starts with "This baby seal walks into this club ..." |
| 17:21.43 | jsmith | harleypig: Good one... |
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| 17:22.14 | findlay | so I put in the XP cd and 'repaired' the situation, only now I'm stymied by the Microsoft extortion code of death |
| 17:22.36 | findlay | and I can't find any of those silly looking Microsoft stickers anywhere on either computer |
| 17:22.47 | findlay | what do you guys think I should do? |
| 17:23.26 | maquis | findlay: is this for work? |
| 17:23.34 | findlay | maquis: yes |
| 17:23.43 | maquis | findlay: ask a manager where you can get the extortion code |
| 17:23.55 | findlay | maquis: *I* am the manager :) |
| 17:24.04 | maquis | findlay: uh... ask another manager? |
| 17:24.09 | maquis | or tech support? |
| 17:24.11 | maquis | or... uh... |
| 17:24.12 | Killarny | get rid of windows :) |
| 17:24.13 | findlay | there are no other managers |
| 17:24.18 | findlay | I'm tech support too |
| 17:24.29 | maquis | findlay: well, where did you put the sticker? |
| 17:24.32 | Tene | findlay: call microsoft. isn't there a phone number there for you to call? |
| 17:24.41 | maquis | findlay: make an executive decision to switch to debian? |
| 17:24.49 | findlay | maquis: this computer was put in way before my time |
| 17:25.03 | findlay | maquis: we can't run the machinery software on debian |
| 17:25.21 | maquis | findlay: do you have a support contract with the evil empire? |
| 17:25.30 | maquis | or do you have the contact information for the previous manager? |
| 17:25.45 | findlay | Tene: how likely are they going to be to give me a new code? |
| 17:25.52 | findlay | maquis: I already emailed him |
| 17:26.24 | Tene | findlay: they've done it every time I've called them. |
| 17:26.30 | findlay | k |
| 17:30.28 | findlay | Tene: I tried putting in a code from a sticker on another computer, but that didn't work. How is a new code going to work? |
| 17:30.49 | Tene | findlay: they have you read them a number generated by a tool on the system, and they read you back a number generated from that. |
| 17:31.08 | findlay | sounds mysterious |
| 17:35.54 | maquis | heh |
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| 17:39.33 | findlay | redbeard4? |
| 17:42.25 | ^Migs^ | why is redbeard multiplying? |
| 17:48.02 | findlay | Tene: where can I get the magic phone number? |
| 17:50.36 | nick125 | 1-800-IWANTMAGIC |
| 17:51.36 | findlay | ~magic nick125 |
| 17:52.21 | Tene | findlay: try to authenticate, and it should give you a telephone option |
| 17:52.22 | Tene | iirc |
| 17:52.49 | findlay | no such options :( |
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| 17:53.42 | Tene | I'm misremembering, then. Sorry. |
| 17:54.12 | nick125 | What code are you talking about, findlay? |
| 17:55.53 | findlay | nick125: I need a code for windows to be happy |
| 17:55.55 | elg | eenteresting |
| 17:56.02 | elg | xvmc works with agp on using the legacy driver |
| 17:56.14 | nick125 | findlay: Are you talking about the key code or activation code? |
| 17:56.24 | findlay | I'm not sure what that means |
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| 17:57.13 | nick125 | findlay: Are in the activation wizard or still in the installer/whatever/ |
| 17:57.17 | nick125 | ? |
| 17:57.23 | findlay | still in the installer part |
| 17:57.50 | nick125 | Ah, so you're looking for the CD key/license key. |
| 17:59.15 | nick125 | You're going to have a hard time finding that. |
| 17:59.35 | findlay | :( |
| 18:00.00 | nick125 | MS won't give you another key as they don't know if you bought a license to begin with. |
| 18:00.17 | findlay | neither do I |
| 18:00.34 | findlay | the old, problematic computer was assambled by a shop |
| 18:00.41 | nick125 | eek |
| 18:00.41 | findlay | who knows where the number went |
| 18:00.56 | findlay | that was 6 years ago |
| 18:02.03 | nick125 | You'll have to buy another license :/ |
| 18:02.16 | nick125 | (more than likely) |
| 18:02.24 | findlay | no sir, I'm not paying any more money to M$ |
| 18:03.18 | findlay | fortunately we have another station that's off line indefinitely, so I swapped that computer in |
| 18:05.45 | nick125 | Note for the future...there's a way to get the CD Key of an already running machine, so do that before messing with anything in the future. |
| 18:06.03 | findlay | :( |
| 18:06.09 | findlay | nick125: how? |
| 18:08.01 | elg | still greyscale osd, if i use opengl it manages the fade |
| 18:08.06 | nick125 | I think it's under my computer -> properties |
| 18:08.16 | elg | osd looks bad in the presence of deinterlacing |
| 18:09.09 | nick125 | just googling aruond a bit...http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/product_cd_key_viewer.html |
| 18:09.13 | brac | [ProduKey - Recover lost product key (CD-Key) of Windows/MS-Office/SQL Server] |
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| 18:46.51 | elg | rsimpkins: i have a report that plug is silent when it shouldn't be |
| 18:49.42 | vontrapp | ~wake plug |
| 18:49.43 | ibot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on plug and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
| 18:49.54 | elg | ie he sent an email this morning to the list |
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| 19:18.05 | findlay | ~find chntpw |
| 19:22.36 | findlay | non-free? |
| 19:22.41 | findlay | dude, it's GPL-2 |
| 19:41.58 | elg | sometimes that's not enough |
| 19:42.22 | maquis | elg: does it have to be bsd or something? |
| 19:42.23 | elg | sometimes the author refuses to grow a beard and they're forced to put it in non-free |
| 19:42.25 | findlay | what more do they want? |
| 19:42.33 | findlay | haha |
| 19:43.18 | elg | sometimes a free package depends on non-free packages somehow, and ends up in non-free |
| 19:43.38 | jsmith | Or has parts (media files, documentation) that doesn't fit someone's version of "free" |
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| 19:43.58 | findlay | ~free jsmith |
| 19:44.34 | jsmith | findlay: See, I'm obviously non-free |
| 19:44.43 | findlay | hm |
| 19:46.14 | Tene | ~onjoin #utah -jjolly |
| 19:46.14 | ibot | Tene: ok |
| 20:06.13 | goozbach | cool thing of the day: ctrl-/ on irssi (mine at least) is underline |
| 20:07.18 | Tene | mine too |
| 20:07.23 | Tene | I've always used ^_ |
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| 20:08.58 | findlay | what about overline? |
| 20:09.20 | findlay | goozbach |
| 20:11.12 | jsmith | What about strike-through? |
| 20:18.05 | maquis | this is underlined |
| 20:20.52 | maquis | asdf |
| 20:20.53 | harleypig | this is bold |
| 20:21.20 | synic | test |
| 20:21.27 | synic | sweet. |
| 20:21.32 | findlay | this is normal text |
| 20:25.18 | Tene | both |
| 20:25.33 | Tene | rawr |
| 20:25.39 | synic | whoa, getting a little crazy in here. |
| 20:26.06 | findlay | Tene: you're shaping up to a fine Word 95 user |
| 20:26.29 | findlay | or geocities pagemaster |
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| 20:36.22 | findlay | ~sjansen Tene |
| 20:36.23 | ibot | ACTION tells Tene good things about sjansen |
| 20:36.50 | sjansen | Guess I'm not going to be accomplishing much today. |
| 20:36.57 | sjansen | All morning was a party. |
| 20:37.07 | sjansen | Then our bosses took us out for lunch. |
| 20:37.20 | sjansen | Now we're heading off to the gun range. |
| 20:37.47 | maquis | sjansen: nice |
| 20:37.50 | maquis | what's the occasion? |
| 20:38.05 | sjansen | (Almost) everyone is in the office this week. |
| 20:38.22 | maquis | so, how does redbeard3 feel about this? |
| 20:38.29 | maquis | he's not important? |
| 20:38.33 | findlay | yeah, and what about redbeard4 |
| 20:38.34 | findlay | ? |
| 20:38.58 | sjansen | Uhm... redbeard3 doesn't need to know. He pulled the short straw. |
| 20:40.36 | redbeard3 | sjansen: they gonna let you take your nerf gun to the range? |
| 20:41.02 | sjansen | The nerf gone was gone when I got back from lunch. |
| 20:41.11 | sjansen | There are so many suspects I don't even know where to start. |
| 20:41.27 | maquis | tries to look innocent |
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| 20:45.53 | elg | -chat |
| 20:45.56 | brac | dont' have cnn / foxnews / espn / other Google Office things |
| 20:47.26 | findlay | -chat innocent |
| 20:47.26 | brac | innocent was |
| 20:47.39 | findlay | -chat nerf or nothin |
| 20:47.39 | brac | incorrect usage, ask for help using 'brac: help chat' |
| 20:47.43 | elg | -lart isp |
| 20:47.43 | brac | attempts to hotswap isp's RAM |
| 20:47.51 | findlay | -excuse |
| 20:47.51 | brac | What office are you in? Oh, that one. Did you know that your building was built over the universities first nuclear research site? And wow, aren't you the lucky one, your office is right over where the core is buried! |
| 20:47.52 | elg | oh so it's your fault |
| 20:53.38 | findlay | -chat fault |
| 20:53.38 | brac | fault had |
| 20:56.58 | jsmith | -chat the error |
| 20:56.58 | brac | the error comes before or not, though. |
| 20:59.14 | findlay | -chat happiness |
| 20:59.15 | brac | happiness is |
| 20:59.26 | findlay | -chat jsmith |
| 20:59.27 | brac | jsmith was wandering around looking at that, in addition to IMAP... I've always been a long lag time, it'll disconnect and reconnect. |
| 21:02.17 | levi | happiness is a warm gun |
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| 21:06.35 | findlay | levi: do you know any apl? |
| 21:06.54 | levi | Nope, I only know enough to maybe recognize it if I see it. |
| 21:07.20 | levi | Heh, fun new UI terms from KDE: http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2008/05/no-more-desktop-icons-in-41.html |
| 21:07.31 | findlay | well, it looks like a cool language |
| 21:07.51 | levi | You can put the folders in your plasma, and put them on different activity layers (aka "desktop containments") |
| 21:08.06 | levi | Sounds like this guy's from another planet or something. |
| 21:08.09 | findlay | plasma? |
| 21:08.24 | levi | Next thing you know, he's going to be hacking my gibson. |
| 21:08.40 | findlay | haha |
| 21:09.16 | levi | Looks kind of pretty, though. |
| 21:10.06 | Tene | I really hate this sort of audio distortion that sounds like I have my mixer settings all screwed up. |
| 21:10.25 | Tene | I spend a few minutes trying to fix it, and then notice that it's just part of the song. |
| 21:10.57 | levi | What mixer settings does it sound like? |
| 21:11.09 | levi | equalization stuff? |
| 21:11.46 | Tene | Like I have PCM all the way up and then master down quite a bit on a low-quality sound card |
| 21:11.59 | Tene | Or maybe the opposite, I don't recall which combination would cause it. |
| 21:12.07 | levi | Oh, so you mean clipping. |
| 21:12.14 | Tene | Yeah, that, I guess. |
| 21:12.30 | levi | Kind of a blatting sound? |
| 21:12.33 | Tene | Yeah. |
| 21:13.02 | levi | I'm not sure why anyone would intentionally make their music sound like that. Yuck. |
| 21:13.12 | levi | What song? |
| 21:13.54 | Tene | Occasionally on streaming electronica. |
| 21:14.13 | Tene | It was on di.fm's vocaltrance stream a few minutes ago. |
| 21:14.24 | levi | Ahh, okay. |
| 21:14.34 | Tene | I don't understand it either. Ew. |
| 21:14.52 | levi | Yeah, I think I've heard clipped basslines on some dance tracks before. |
| 21:15.20 | levi | I guess they're going for a sort of dirty, distorted sound. |
| 21:15.23 | findlay | you're just closed-minded to new sounds and styles |
| 21:15.37 | Tene | You're just a chocolate cake. |
| 21:15.43 | findlay | snickers |
| 21:15.48 | levi | Like ghetto-bass. |
| 21:16.22 | levi | opens findlay's mind to some new sounds and styles until his ears bleed. ;) |
| 21:17.35 | nick125 | thinks he's going to revive his open source radio station project |
| 21:19.03 | ^Migs^ | do it |
| 21:20.26 | levi | listens to an Orbital track that's just a sample of Worf from STtNG saying "Where time becomes a loop" from each channel at slightly different rates until they drift out a phase and come back in phase again. |
| 21:21.18 | Tene | Oh, so that's where that clip is from. |
| 21:21.53 | nick125 | ^Migs^: My main problem is finding enough music to keep it going |
| 21:22.20 | ^Migs^ | who says you need music? |
| 21:22.29 | nick125 | haha |
| 21:22.30 | ^Migs^ | just ramble into a mic all day |
| 21:22.37 | ^Migs^ | describe what you're doing |
| 21:22.44 | nick125 | uhm....that won't get people to listen...hehe |
| 21:22.49 | ^Migs^ | swear a lot |
| 21:22.52 | ^Migs^ | people seem to respond to that |
| 21:23.33 | findlay | ^Migs^: you've got it: voicetwitter! |
| 21:23.55 | levi | Oh geez. |
| 21:24.01 | ^Migs^ | crap, that's already registered |
| 21:24.29 | levi | All the scalability problems of twitter, multiplied by the huge bandwidth difference between a chunk of text and a chunk of audio. |
| 21:24.36 | findlay | nick125: expect google to buy your pointless^Winteresting venture for $5Bn in a couple of years |
| 21:25.01 | ^Migs^ | I admit I'm a twitter addict |
| 21:25.06 | ^Migs^ | I can't quite explain why |
| 21:25.16 | Tene | Huh. Stringification of aggregates in ruby is just appending each element in order to a string. |
| 21:25.30 | Tene | That's... unhelpful. |
| 21:25.35 | levi | What were you expecting it to do? |
| 21:25.36 | findlay | ^Migs^: what if you could add your own twitter list to the bottom of the TV. like they have on CNN?! |
| 21:25.37 | Tene | Guess it makes my job easier, though. |
| 21:25.41 | ^Migs^ | OMG!!!!! |
| 21:25.45 | ^Migs^ | BRILLIANT! |
| 21:25.48 | findlay | haha |
| 21:25.55 | levi | Time for a MythTV plugin! |
| 21:26.47 | ^Migs^ | doesn't GTV already do that? |
| 21:26.59 | ^Migs^ | or whatever that station is |
| 21:27.09 | *** topic/#utah by findlay -> http://plug.org/irc | Channel log @ http://ibot.rikers.org/%23utah/ | UTOSC 2008 Call for Papers @http://2008.utosc.com | I'm getting too old for this | #utah: adding yet more annoyances to the digital age |
| 21:35.11 | RyanE | mythtv also already does this. mythtvosd. |
| 21:35.26 | RyanE | My myth box tells me when someone is at the front door. |
| 21:35.33 | levi | RyanE: Well, you'd need some glue. |
| 21:35.53 | findlay | RyanE: I guess we need a desktop version too |
| 21:36.02 | RyanE | yeah, I just meant there wasn't a need for a plugin. |
| 21:36.07 | findlay | so that ^Migs^ can look at his scrolling twitteries at work too |
| 21:36.21 | RyanE | if he's got a Linux desktop, OSD works well for that, too. |
| 21:36.23 | findlay | single-buffered |
| 21:36.26 | levi | Mmm, The Future Sound of London. |
| 21:36.37 | RyanE | of course, it doesn't 'pretty-scroll'... |
| 21:36.52 | findlay | hehe |
| 21:36.58 | ^Migs^ | there's gotta be a way I can use MythTV + Twitter at work |
| 21:36.59 | RyanE | that reminds me, I need to make my CAllerID work on the Myth box... |
| 21:37.06 | ^Migs^ | and make it work-related |
| 21:37.19 | RyanE | the only problem with Myth's OSD is that it only works when watching video. If you're in the menus, it doesn't display. |
| 21:37.22 | RyanE | kind of annoying. |
| 21:37.26 | findlay | RyanE: do you have it pluged into asterisk? |
| 21:37.51 | RyanE | no. Land-line -> CID box -> Automation System -> Linux Box -> MythTV OSD. |
| 21:38.02 | RyanE | asterisk is on the long-term goals, but I'm not there yet. |
| 21:38.18 | findlay | hm |
| 21:38.29 | findlay | how much did the "Automation System" cost? |
| 21:38.39 | findlay | roll your own? :) |
| 21:38.40 | levi | RyanE: Couldn't you use a regular desktop OSD thing? |
| 21:38.46 | RyanE | Well, since I work for Control4, not as much as you'd think... :) |
| 21:38.49 | findlay | yeah |
| 21:39.09 | RyanE | yeah, I suppose I could use the Linux OSD thing... Good idea. Works on my desktop, should work on the MythTV box. |
| 22:21.51 | tensai | RyanE: I had to disable the callerid display in myth. it kept answering the phone. |
| 22:21.57 | findlay | heh |
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| 22:32.31 | elg | wants to update the bios |
| 22:35.45 | levi | elg: What bios? |
| 22:36.13 | elg | 11/05/2004-K8HTB-8237-6A7L0ABAC-00 |
| 22:36.17 | elg | award |
| 22:36.19 | findlay | why do you have a bois? |
| 22:36.35 | levi | Well, you should probably update the bios then. |
| 22:36.48 | elg | did phoenix and award merge? it says phoenix-awardBIOS |
| 22:36.55 | elg | and it says AOpen too :-P |
| 22:37.22 | levi | It's the Taiwanese BIOS Cartel. |
| 22:37.41 | elg | heh |
| 22:37.43 | elg | that sounds about right |
| 22:37.48 | levi | All your BIOS are belong to them. |
| 22:37.56 | findlay | linuxBIOS FTW |
| 22:37.58 | elg | so i'm trying to figure out how to flash it, where to go to get the bios |
| 22:38.21 | levi | The motherboard manufacturer doesn't have a page for that board? |
| 22:39.12 | elg | would that be VIA? I can't tell. I know the chipsets are all VIA, and the K8HTB chipset in particular (which is a close sibling/cousin to the K8T800) |
| 22:40.20 | elg | ok, the manual says AK86-L/N |
| 22:40.39 | levi | Well, you can usually tell from the manual who the manufacturer is, if you've got a manual. |
| 22:42.29 | hatchmt | is away: I'm busy |
| 22:42.37 | elg | aopen logo on the front |
| 22:42.44 | levi | You want http://download.aopen.com.tw/ |
| 22:42.56 | elg | ak86-l on the aopen site has a releasedate of 11/11/2005 |
| 22:43.56 | levi | 11/11/2005 is the date of their latest BIOS release. |
| 22:44.29 | elg | a year newer than mine. i suppose it's worth a try |
| 22:44.58 | elg | i'm hoping a newer bios will have better agp support and maybe xvmc will work |
| 22:45.50 | levi | You might want to check to see whether you have an L or N. |
| 22:47.17 | elg | seems like the last bios for the n is much older than 2004, which would indicate I have an l |
| 22:48.48 | levi | Well, hopefully it won't flash the BIOS if it's incompatible. |
| 22:54.27 | elg | it's an l |
| 23:00.49 | findlay | ~flash elg |
| 23:00.50 | ibot | ACTION starts a firmware update on elg, then pulls the plug halfway through |
| 23:10.02 | Dew420 | evenin' |
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