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| 01:17.49 | Dew420 | waves |
| 01:26.55 | Supaplex | drowns |
| 01:27.44 | nick125 | watches |
| 01:29.15 | Supaplex | pulls lakshmi in too |
| 01:29.52 | encryptz | is checking out high capacity portable extrenal hdd with firewire800 |
| 01:35.41 | tensai | is still working |
| 01:40.54 | Dew420 | is watching hitman...again |
| 01:45.49 | Sargun | lol |
| 01:45.57 | Sargun | Dew420, how is it |
| 01:46.43 | Dew420 | Sargun, tis a great movie |
| 01:50.03 | Dew420 | would be better on surround sound but my bro is using that :( |
| 02:26.20 | elg | -chat |
| 02:26.21 | brac | anyone else use the register through to their king and getting dressed are overrated. just give up now. |
| 02:31.24 | Supaplex | -excuse |
| 02:31.25 | brac | User was distributing pornography on server; system seized by FBI. |
| 03:08.42 | findlay | man |
| 03:08.53 | findlay | why is there no easy way to stop pdftex? |
| 03:09.27 | findlay | \q will only follow on to the next error, ^C is useless. About the only thing I can do is ^Z and pkill pdftex |
| 03:18.43 | Sargun | killall? |
| 03:18.55 | Sargun | woman |
| 03:19.24 | Dew420 | :| |
| 03:55.07 | findlay | man, I wish latex would just respect unicode symbols |
| 03:57.09 | Sargun | why? |
| 03:57.21 | Sargun | I really wish you would stop complaining ;-P |
| 03:58.33 | findlay | Sargun: you want to do my homework? |
| 03:58.37 | findlay | huh, huh? |
| 03:59.03 | findlay | ~complain Sargun |
| 03:59.09 | findlay | ~complain |
| 03:59.20 | findlay | -excuse |
| 03:59.20 | brac | pseudo-user on a pseudo-terminal |
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| 04:11.47 | levi | shakes Von. |
| 04:13.12 | levi | So, I am now the proud owner of a new lawnmower. |
| 04:14.13 | levi | My previous one was a cheap electric mower. It was a pain to deal with the cord, it was kind of heavy, and the motor wasn't terribly powerful. It also died in such a way that it would trip a 20 Amp breaker shortly after starting it. |
| 04:14.44 | levi | My new one is gas powered, and self-propelled. It's also a little bit wider. Mowing is way faster now. |
| 04:15.55 | Sargun | http://news.softpedia.com/news/WOW-Enraged-User-Shoots-Computer-5-Times-after-Installing-Windows-Vista-59398.shtml |
| 04:15.57 | brac | [WOW! Enraged User Shoots Computer 5 Times after Installing Windows Vista - A true Windows Vista Wow moment! - Softpedia] |
| 04:16.12 | Sargun | levi, you have a lawn? |
| 04:16.24 | levi | Sargun: Yeah. |
| 04:16.30 | Sargun | Nice. |
| 04:16.34 | levi | Clearly I do, or I wouldn't have bought a lawnmower. |
| 04:16.49 | Sargun | Yes, but most 20-somethings can't afford a lawn |
| 04:16.57 | Sargun | you might just have a thing for lawn mowers? |
| 04:17.03 | levi | I'm not a 20-something, I'm a 30-something now. |
| 04:17.28 | lakshmi | u so old :P |
| 04:17.33 | lakshmi | j.k |
| 04:17.36 | levi | u a baby :P |
| 04:17.41 | Sargun | haha |
| 04:17.48 | Sargun | A quote from levi. |
| 04:18.13 | levi | Get off my lawn, you darned kids! |
| 04:18.24 | Sargun | Ah, for your age, you're supposed to have a lawn, but you have to mow it yourself |
| 04:18.40 | Sargun | It'll be the worst lawn in the neighborhood |
| 04:18.50 | Sargun | and 40 you can join the "good lawns" |
| 04:19.04 | levi | Hah. It *was* the worst lawn in the neighborhood, but there are quite a few worse off now. |
| 04:19.09 | Sargun | and possibly get the teenagers get tomow your lawn |
| 04:19.10 | Sargun | haha |
| 04:19.24 | lakshmi | dude |
| 04:19.28 | lakshmi | hot gardeners |
| 04:19.35 | lakshmi | always a good sign :-) |
| 04:19.37 | levi | It was only really bad because the previous owner didn't have anyone take care of it after they moved out. |
| 04:19.42 | lakshmi | DHW for me! |
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| 04:24.39 | levi | So, after mowing the lawn today, I worked on getting my garden plot ready to plant. |
| 04:24.50 | levi | Hopefully I'll be able to finish that tomorrow. |
| 04:31.47 | lakshmi | u should jus pay someone to do this for you |
| 04:31.53 | lakshmi | someone extremely attractive |
| 04:33.25 | levi | Someone I found extremely attractive probably wouldn't be in the lawn grunt work business. |
| 04:34.10 | lakshmi | well someone your wife/gf found xtremely attractive then.. |
| 04:35.08 | encryptz | hmm... i'm worried my ieee1394 port is bad |
| 04:35.10 | levi | Why would I want someone my wife found extremely attractive doing my yard work? |
| 04:35.12 | tensai | lakshmi: you miss the point. gardening is *fun*. |
| 04:35.28 | lakshmi | why |
| 04:35.32 | lakshmi | it puts you with the bugs |
| 04:35.33 | lakshmi | and dirt |
| 04:35.34 | levi | tensai: I have a bunch of *huge* worms in my garden. :) |
| 04:35.41 | lakshmi | and -outside- with -nature- |
| 04:35.54 | levi | lakshmi: All good things. |
| 04:36.00 | lakshmi | how could that be fun |
| 04:36.06 | levi | tensai: Well, my garden-to-be. |
| 04:36.15 | levi | lakshmi: It just is. |
| 04:36.20 | tensai | we had more worms before this weekend. the robins have been gorging themselves. |
| 04:36.40 | levi | lakshmi: How could sitting in front of a screen and a keyboard possibly be fun? |
| 04:36.42 | lakshmi | birds too |
| 04:36.48 | lakshmi | uhh cause there are ppl |
| 04:36.50 | lakshmi | and i dont get dirty |
| 04:36.54 | lakshmi | or sweaty |
| 04:36.59 | lakshmi | or have nasty things near me |
| 04:37.03 | lakshmi | and i dont sneeze a lot |
| 04:37.05 | lakshmi | and i dont die |
| 04:37.09 | lakshmi | and i dont get hive |
| 04:37.11 | lakshmi | hives |
| 04:37.17 | lakshmi | its quite amazing actually |
| 04:37.18 | levi | People die in front of keyboards sometimes. |
| 04:37.37 | lakshmi | uhh no one dies in front of keyboards |
| 04:37.47 | lakshmi | keyboards are like ubercool |
| 04:37.47 | levi | Tell that to my former coworker. |
| 04:37.56 | lakshmi | how did he uh die.. from keyboard use? |
| 04:38.47 | levi | From an aneurysm. |
| 04:39.54 | lakshmi | that has nothing to od with keyboards |
| 04:40.02 | lakshmi | that was cause he had an aneurysm |
| 04:40.09 | lakshmi | that was coincidental |
| 04:40.14 | levi | Well, people don't die because they're gardening, either. |
| 04:40.25 | findlay | levi: you should have gotten a snapper |
| 04:40.30 | lakshmi | yeah they do |
| 04:40.35 | lakshmi | if your allergic to grass |
| 04:40.37 | lakshmi | or get a bee sting |
| 04:40.38 | lakshmi | and die |
| 04:40.44 | levi | That's coincidental! |
| 04:40.47 | lakshmi | not really |
| 04:40.56 | lakshmi | thats some of the dangers to gardening |
| 04:40.58 | encryptz | i love gardening. nothing beats being outside |
| 04:41.19 | encryptz | well, some things *do*, but still... :) |
| 04:41.20 | Sargun | -excuse |
| 04:41.21 | brac | endothermal recalibration |
| 04:41.29 | Sargun | encryptz, walking to work. |
| 04:41.32 | encryptz | hiking, camping, fishing |
| 04:41.42 | Sargun | encryptz, Are you a construction worker? |
| 04:41.49 | encryptz | Sargun: no |
| 04:42.10 | Sargun | Would you like to become one? |
| 04:42.16 | encryptz | no |
| 04:42.34 | encryptz | i don't like standing in the heat on tarmac |
| 04:42.36 | levi | Now, being a construction worker is hazardous to your health. |
| 04:42.51 | Sargun | Being outside is hazardous to your health. |
| 04:42.54 | levi | Gardening, on the other hand, is healthy. |
| 04:43.02 | levi | Sargun: Being inside is hazardous to your health. |
| 04:43.29 | Sargun | thinking is hazardous to your faith |
| 04:43.47 | encryptz | anything poses risks. it's how you face those risks that makes all the difference |
| 04:43.59 | levi | Airborne pollutants are generally in higher concentrations inside, and being inside generally means you're sedentary, which is not particularly healthy. |
| 04:44.59 | encryptz | lakshmi: typing on a keyboard can cause 1) repetitive stress injury 2) carpal tunnel 3) decrease eye vision (if staring at a monitor) 4) back muscle fatigue, and many other health risks |
| 04:45.03 | findlay | oh sure |
| 04:45.45 | findlay | and living in micro gravity conditions will reduce muscle mass and bone density |
| 04:45.56 | Sargun | Construction is a healthy way to make a living (not) |
| 04:46.00 | Supaplex | -excuse |
| 04:46.00 | brac | loop found in loop in redundant loopback |
| 04:46.23 | encryptz | Sargun: i do the same thing emcnabb did that brought you to this channel |
| 04:46.59 | lakshmi | encryptz and gardening can cause dehydration, fatigue, hives, sneezing, itchy and watery eyes, muscle pain, and other factors if your allergic to animals and dirt |
| 04:47.50 | encryptz | if you're allergic to dirt, you may want to consider alternative living conditions that would be abnormal for the vast majority of us |
| 04:48.23 | Supaplex | wraps lakshmi up tightly in pallet wrap |
| 04:48.31 | lakshmi | im allergic to grass |
| 04:48.36 | lakshmi | and most parts of nature |
| 04:48.46 | encryptz | so am i |
| 04:48.48 | Supaplex | i'm allergic to high gas prices. |
| 04:48.55 | lakshmi | Supaplex me too |
| 04:49.11 | encryptz | i take claritin, and i can enjoy the outdoors just fine |
| 04:49.28 | Supaplex | so the bus and my bike do just fine :) |
| 04:49.30 | findlay | I allergate nothing |
| 04:49.31 | lakshmi | i dont like drugging myself |
| 04:49.54 | Supaplex | just let the drugs do you instead |
| 04:50.06 | encryptz | i took a allergen test, where they prick your back, and scratch you with weeds, and i showed high allergic reaction to 90% |
| 04:50.15 | encryptz | needless to say, i was in massive pain |
| 04:50.30 | tensai | encryptz: Jayce^ is the same |
| 04:50.31 | Supaplex | what an adventure |
| 04:50.48 | Sargun | encryptz, you're a Guru? |
| 04:50.53 | encryptz | Sargun: i am |
| 04:51.05 | Sargun | encryptz, I'm guessing you're 21-28? |
| 04:51.09 | encryptz | Supaplex: it was not fun |
| 04:51.18 | encryptz | Sargun: nope |
| 04:51.19 | Supaplex | Sargun: I'm wearing the t-shirt now :) |
| 04:51.27 | Sargun | encryptz, old. |
| 04:51.46 | encryptz | Sargun: why does age matter? |
| 04:51.53 | encryptz | i could be 18 |
| 04:51.59 | encryptz | i could be 55 |
| 04:52.03 | lakshmi | how can u be a guru at 18 |
| 04:52.24 | findlay | I'm 12 |
| 04:52.26 | lakshmi | arent you spossed to pass college / classes to be a guru |
| 04:52.31 | lakshmi | findlay u act like it :-) |
| 04:52.35 | encryptz | lakshmi: no |
| 04:52.41 | Sargun | encryptz, I'm preparing to profile you. |
| 04:52.43 | Sargun | ;-P |
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| 04:52.54 | Supaplex | I ran a BBS when I was in high school, and many people thought I was 30 or so :p |
| 04:52.59 | findlay | lakshmi: ur sily |
| 04:53.24 | Supaplex | school's for dummies :) hehehe |
| 04:53.38 | Supaplex | (interpret that how you will) |
| 04:53.54 | findlay | interprets a strict construction |
| 04:54.19 | encryptz | an employment that requires a paper showing sufficient knowledge in a subject is silly. education, however, is not |
| 04:54.52 | Supaplex | ahhh yes indeed. |
| 04:57.11 | Sargun | encryptz, and you're a good communiticator, you're talkable, etc... |
| 04:58.19 | encryptz | Sargun: did you earn your rhct or rhce? |
| 04:59.35 | findlay | rhcx |
| 04:59.45 | findlay | rhcz |
| 04:59.48 | findlay | rhcz |
| 04:59.52 | findlay | rhcz+ |
| 05:00.10 | encryptz | findlay: there is an rhcx... |
| 05:00.24 | Sargun | encryptz, RHCE |
| 05:00.41 | Sargun | there is RHCX, RHCA, RHCT, RHCE, and a few others I don't remember |
| 05:00.44 | findlay | -chat rhce |
| 05:00.44 | brac | rhce is expired |
| 05:00.53 | Sargun | not yet. |
| 05:00.53 | encryptz | Sargun: and you paid for it with your own money, right? |
| 05:00.56 | Sargun | yes. |
| 05:01.01 | Sargun | Why? |
| 05:01.06 | encryptz | just curious |
| 05:01.13 | findlay | rhchr |
| 05:01.16 | Sargun | I did get a decent discount from Rh |
| 05:01.27 | encryptz | i think it's impressive. how old were you when you received it? and, have you kept updated on it? |
| 05:01.27 | Sargun | 20%+ |
| 05:01.48 | Sargun | Thanks. I don't remember, let me look it up; I think I was 14. |
| 05:02.00 | encryptz | cool |
| 05:02.02 | findlay | -chat about Sargun's age |
| 05:02.02 | brac | Sargun's age |
| 05:02.26 | lakshmi | brac, sargun is old |
| 05:02.27 | brac | fine |
| 05:02.46 | findlay | brac: lakshmi is silly |
| 05:02.48 | brac | okay then :) |
| 05:03.03 | lakshmi | brac: findlay is 12 |
| 05:03.03 | brac | fine |
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| 05:03.12 | Sargun | 7/2/05 I earned it. |
| 05:03.39 | Sargun | Yes, I was 14 when I earned my RHCe |
| 05:03.40 | Sargun | RHCE |
| 05:03.48 | Sargun | Compulsory Section I score: 50.0 |
| 05:03.48 | Sargun | Non-compulsory Section I score: 50.0 |
| 05:03.49 | Sargun | Overall Section I score: 100 |
| 05:03.53 | Sargun | RHCT components score: 100.0 |
| 05:03.53 | Sargun | RHCE components score: 82.1 |
| 05:04.14 | encryptz | rhct, rhce, rhca, rhcss, rhcds, rhcx are all of them, i think |
| 05:04.34 | encryptz | Sargun: impressive |
| 05:04.50 | Sargun | I wish I had 100% |
| 05:04.58 | findlay | oh sure |
| 05:05.08 | findlay | meaningless numbers |
| 05:05.12 | Sargun | I was stupid and left the test way too quickly |
| 05:05.18 | Sargun | Didn't take my time and address it fully. |
| 05:05.19 | findlay | the Universe is not deterministic! |
| 05:05.56 | encryptz | Non-compulsory Section I score: 50.0 |
| 05:05.56 | encryptz | Overall Section I score: 100 |
| 05:05.56 | encryptz | RHCT components score: 93.5 |
| 05:06.03 | encryptz | RHCE components score: 100.0 |
| 05:06.06 | encryptz | meh. |
| 05:06.12 | encryptz | (meant for pm) |
| 05:06.13 | Sargun | I also didn't figure out BIND |
| 05:06.16 | encryptz | *shrug* |
| 05:06.26 | Sargun | I forgot on how to do BIND named zone files. (stupid me) |
| 05:06.43 | findlay | did you know that Cornish is an extinct language? |
| 05:07.03 | findlay | ugh, I hate bind zone files :) |
| 05:07.16 | Sargun | findlay, who doesn't? |
| 05:07.19 | encryptz | i just finished setting up bind9 last night |
| 05:07.20 | encryptz | :) |
| 05:07.35 | Sargun | encryptz, I found some parts of the RHCT kind of funny. |
| 05:07.37 | nick125 | bind == fail |
| 05:07.45 | Sargun | or how they ran the test. |
| 05:08.02 | findlay | nick125: don't tell me you run djbdns :) |
| 05:08.02 | encryptz | Sargun: just remember you signed an nda. :) |
| 05:08.18 | Sargun | Yes, yes, I know |
| 05:08.25 | nick125 | findlay: powerdns |
| 05:08.27 | Sargun | I'm being vague on purpose. |
| 05:08.30 | findlay | looks like I'll never do an RHC? |
| 05:08.37 | Sargun | nick125, PowerDNS has some problems. |
| 05:08.39 | findlay | is morally opposed to NDA's |
| 05:08.44 | nick125 | I eventually want to write a PostgreSQL backed caching DNS server |
| 05:08.56 | Sargun | ....Wow.... |
| 05:09.01 | findlay | nick125: have you ever looked at mydns? |
| 05:09.24 | findlay | similar idea |
| 05:09.36 | nick125 | findlay: I don't thin that does caching/recursion |
| 05:09.38 | nick125 | *think |
| 05:10.33 | findlay | NDA's are silly legal strictures preventing you the use of your own mind |
| 05:10.49 | findlay | s/using/speaking/ |
| 05:10.57 | findlay | and that is violently repugnant to me |
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| 05:14.46 | findlay | people who deal in environments with an overengineered control of information start to think some wacky things, like science must be done in secret or other nonsense like that |
| 05:15.28 | Sargun | Is anyone paying attention to findlay |
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| 05:15.56 | findlay | no |
| 05:17.42 | findlay | I guess an NDA for a test is not so bad |
| 05:18.02 | Sargun | ~lart findlay |
| 05:18.02 | ibot | duct-tapes findlay to the floor and drools on him |
| 05:18.06 | Sargun | hehe |
| 05:18.09 | Sargun | that's amazing |
| 05:20.04 | lakshmi | http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24819952/ |
| 05:20.41 | findlay | ~annoy Sargun |
| 05:20.42 | ibot | ACTION dances around Sargun, poking whenever possible, tickling or doing whatever necessary to annoy Sargun to the maximum amount |
| 05:22.23 | Sargun | stabs findlay through the cheek |
| 05:22.36 | Supaplex | with your tounge? euu |
| 05:22.39 | Sargun | gores findlay until he ends in a pile of blood |
| 05:23.27 | Supaplex | what a mess |
| 05:23.48 | Supaplex | how'd you get the blood to pile up like that? it always pools for me |
| 05:24.05 | Sargun | Physics. |
| 05:25.27 | findlay | ~kill Sargun |
| 05:25.28 | ibot | ACTION shoots a magneto-ionized fluxproton gun at Sargun |
| 05:25.48 | lakshmi | ~kick sargun |
| 05:25.48 | ibot | ACTION kicks sargun |
| 05:25.48 | findlay | microgravity |
| 05:25.57 | findlay | ~bzfrag lakshmi |
| 05:25.58 | ibot | ACTION fries lakshmi with a laser |
| 05:26.04 | findlay | ~shakespeare Supaplex |
| 05:26.04 | ibot | ACTION stands up and quotes Shakespeare: Supaplex - Thou pribbling bat-fowling devil-mon! |
| 05:49.01 | levi | I'm not sure if Blackboard is really receiving my file or if it's hanging for some other reason. |
| 05:52.02 | levi | OK, it was hanging for some other reason. Good thing I didn't wait for it. |
| 05:52.08 | levi | Time for bed now! |
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| 06:34.08 | tensai | chills with Dvorak's 9th |
| 07:29.41 | Supaplex | ~lart finite weekends |
| 07:29.41 | ibot | shoves a crumpet down finite weekends's throat, happy now?! Huh? Want some JAM with that? |
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| 10:44.51 | Tene | http://jhw.vox.com/library/post/the-future-without-ipv6.html -- interesting. |
| 12:09.44 | Sargun | http://ipv6.xbmodder.us/ |
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| 14:35.54 | ^Migs^ | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/2035996/Woman-'married'-to-Berlin-Wall-for-29-years.html |
| 14:36.13 | Sargun_screen | a ' in a url? |
| 14:36.16 | Sargun_screen | That's stupid. |
| 14:36.55 | ^Migs^ | agreed. Even stupider than the article itself. |
| 14:39.08 | Sargun_screen | "I find long, slim things with horizontal lines very sexy. |
| 14:39.36 | ^Migs^ | don't go there |
| 14:39.44 | Sargun_screen | hehe |
| 14:40.31 | Sargun_screen | ^Migs^: what's up |
| 14:40.41 | Sargun_screen | Other than man-walls |
| 14:40.56 | ^Migs^ | just sitting here being awesome |
| 14:41.24 | Sargun_screen | Less awesome than thine though. |
| 14:42.06 | Sargun_screen | This represents a problem. |
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| 14:51.41 | Sargun_screen | anybody know a little bit about gps receivers and antennas? |
| 14:52.47 | Sargun_screen | how difficult would it be to get a gps lock in the underbelly of a plane? what sort of equipment can do this? (antenna wise) |
| 14:55.07 | Sargun_screen | i need accuracy to about 35 feet. i think that's good for this project? i mean commercial grade missiles have accuracy of 35 feet and they sell. |
| 14:56.21 | elg | Sargun_screen: planes routinely use GPS |
| 14:56.25 | elg | for navigation |
| 14:56.36 | elg | i don't know about 35 feet accuracy though |
| 14:56.39 | harleypig | Sargun_screen: you trying to get a missile lock on a plane? |
| 14:57.07 | harleypig | actually, according to FutureWeapons (a paragon of truthfullness) they are more accurate than that. |
| 14:58.13 | harleypig | While she remains a virgin with humans, she insists she has a full, loving relationship with the wall. |
| 14:58.17 | harleypig | uh huh |
| 14:58.24 | harleypig | that brings to mind interesting images. |
| 14:58.24 | hatchmt | I can't get a GPS signal in the cabin unless it's pressed up against the window, so I'd imagine it would be difficult to acquire satellites in the cargo hold... |
| 14:59.08 | Sargun_screen | but they have antennas optimally placed |
| 14:59.22 | elg | of course |
| 14:59.46 | elg | if your question is can a gps thingy in the belly of a plane work very well, you might as well s/plane/faraday cage/ |
| 15:00.09 | Sargun_screen | yes, that?s an issue... |
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| 15:00.34 | hatchmt | and attaching a huge antenna to your luggage would probably raise some eyebrows at TSA |
| 15:00.37 | Sargun_screen | i could use a compass |
| 15:00.52 | Sargun_screen | lol. its going to be a package. |
| 15:01.08 | hatchmt | Mailing an active GPS, eh? |
| 15:02.07 | Sargun_screen | the idea is to ship a package, record its movement: acceleration, sounds, etc.. |
| 15:02.10 | elg | they ask you to turn off your gameboy |
| 15:02.18 | elg | i don't think they'll be excited about an active GPS |
| 15:02.32 | Sargun_screen | it'd be the ultimate shipment review |
| 15:02.46 | Sargun_screen | how will they know its on? |
| 15:02.49 | elg | well, you wouldn't need gps in the plane |
| 15:02.58 | hatchmt | Well, even if it didn't get a signal on a plane, it'll reaquire when it's taken off |
| 15:03.03 | hatchmt | acquire* |
| 15:03.05 | elg | if it's emitting EM, which is what they're worried about, it could be detected |
| 15:03.21 | Sargun_screen | I've shipped cell phones while they are on, they didnt do anything to them+ |
| 15:03.26 | elg | exactly. what do you care the flight path the plane took? it's relatively boring, and freely available online anyway |
| 15:03.43 | elg | as long as the pilot files IFR, which almost all commercial flights do |
| 15:03.50 | Sargun_screen | of course i'll ship it journalistically (immune) to some laws. |
| 15:03.57 | elg | http://flighttracker.com/ |
| 15:03.59 | brac | [flighttracker.com] |
| 15:04.06 | elg | haha, wrong site |
| 15:04.07 | elg | http://flightaware.com/ |
| 15:04.11 | brac | [FlightAware - Free Flight Tracker - IFR Flight Status, Tracking, History, Maps] |
| 15:04.27 | Sargun_screen | no, its also the package's handling state |
| 15:04.40 | hatchmt | You going to put some shock sensors in it? |
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| 15:04.51 | elg | so you know whether someone threw it across the 35 foot room like a football? |
| 15:04.57 | Sargun_screen | hhaha |
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| 15:05.15 | elg | i think accelerometers will give you better info about that sort of thing than a gps |
| 15:05.24 | Sargun_screen | so i know how long it took the tsa to take a boomstick to the package |
| 15:06.22 | Sargun_screen | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:06.28 | harleypig | The director of Hogfather said that the security guards were more concerned with the fake teeth he had in his luggage than the big box marked DEATH. |
| 15:06.37 | harleypig | at the airport. |
| 15:06.49 | Sargun_screen | hahaha |
| 15:08.56 | harleypig | http://biggestdrawingintheworld.com/drawing.aspx |
| 15:09.03 | harleypig | wow |
| 15:09.22 | Sargun_screen | if amybody should shut me down it'll be the nsa, not because of the lack of technology |
| 15:09.44 | harleypig | I wonder how true that is. |
| 15:10.03 | harleypig | If the nsa felt the need to shut you down you'd just disappear. |
| 15:10.18 | Sargun_screen | lol. |
| 15:10.26 | Sargun_screen | or at least the tsa |
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| 15:31.29 | levi | It's funny how many guys get their panties in a bunch when I say that using the male pronouns for unknown gender is sexist. |
| 15:31.59 | Sargun | We get dinged for it fairly often |
| 15:32.15 | Sargun | We've been trained by our female counterparts, like hamsters in a cage. |
| 15:33.41 | harleypig | levi: Nobody has ever been able to prove to my satisfaction that it *is* sexist. |
| 15:33.57 | harleypig | The interview couch, that's sexist. |
| 15:33.59 | levi | harleypig: I'm not surprised. |
| 15:34.18 | harleypig | ooohhh ... :] |
| 15:36.04 | harleypig | I don't get my panties in a twist (and how'd you know I wear panties?) when someone claims that ... usually those people also claim that (chair|post|*)man is sexist. |
| 15:36.54 | harleypig | What I'd like to know is, how come women can wear mens clothes and not be considered masculine, but men can't wear women's clothes without being accused of being gay? |
| 15:36.58 | harleypig | That's sexist. |
| 15:37.07 | levi | Indeed it is. |
| 15:37.33 | harleypig | And yet, no self-proclaimed feminist I know is willing to discuss it. |
| 15:37.43 | levi | Who said anything about feminists? |
| 15:38.12 | harleypig | Sorry ... I know that sexism != feminist ... knee-jerk response on my part. |
| 15:38.32 | harleypig | I wish there was a term for men that was equivalent to feminist. |
| 15:38.42 | harleypig | Macho has such negative baggage associated with it. |
| 15:45.38 | Sargun | harleypig, there isn't. From the POV of many Macho = Sexist (prejudiced against women) |
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| 16:28.10 | findlay | the thing I can't figure out is why they're always putting Faraday in a cage |
| 16:31.43 | levi | Heh. The Tour of Utah this year has a '300 Citizen Warriors' program where a bunch of amateur riders get a 4-hour head start on the pro teams. |
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| 16:32.34 | tensai | findlay: at least he's not in schrodiner's box |
| 16:32.42 | tensai | s/din/ding/ |
| 16:33.41 | findlay | levi: didn't they cancel it last year? |
| 16:34.34 | levi | I don't recall. |
| 16:45.25 | tensai | Tene: I don't buy it. ipv4+nat is such a flawed paradigm that it can't last forever. and ipv6 rollouts *are* happening. |
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| 17:00.59 | levi | Hmm, Forno Bravo is sending out email newsletters now. |
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| 17:38.08 | findlay | ipv6 ftw |
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| 17:51.09 | vontrapp | i have a windows 95 computer here that absolutely refuses to connect to the wireless network |
| 17:51.28 | vontrapp | i suspect it's trying to use the wireless key as a _passphrase_ instead |
| 17:51.37 | vontrapp | does that sound valid? |
| 17:52.53 | findlay | why are you using windows 95? |
| 17:52.54 | hatchmt | Windows 95 supported wireless networking? |
| 17:53.47 | vontrapp | it looks like 95 |
| 17:53.56 | vontrapp | maaybe 98 |
| 17:54.35 | vontrapp | and apparently it doesn't support wireless very well |
| 17:55.24 | vontrapp | poor guy took it to mas computers who did a diagnostic and spyware removal for $100+ |
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| 17:55.31 | vontrapp | and it still doesn't work |
| 17:55.31 | findlay | ugh |
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| 17:56.14 | findlay | they at least could have handed him a win98 disc laying around |
| 17:57.20 | vontrapp | well, if it's an issue with windows being stupid about how it does wireless encryption, then are there other programs to run the wireless networking that will do it better? |
| 17:59.02 | vontrapp | i guess i could turn off the encryption and see if it even works then |
| 17:59.16 | findlay | just set him up with ubuntu :) |
| 18:00.12 | vontrapp | i tried that once and had some issues, don't remember what exactly now |
| 18:00.19 | vontrapp | it's a really old computer |
| 18:00.34 | findlay | so get him a gpc |
| 18:01.04 | Tene | ethernet connection through a linux box that does WPA |
| 18:01.17 | findlay | ~wpa Tene |
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| 18:09.04 | Sargun | emcnabb, afternoon |
| 18:09.24 | emcnabb | Sargun, hi |
| 18:22.01 | maquis | emcnabb: sup? |
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| 18:32.37 | findlay | is there a command line utility that measures real time bandwidth usage? |
| 18:34.25 | goozbach | ntop? |
| 18:36.20 | hatchmt | iftop? |
| 18:38.01 | levi | So, the computer I built for my father-in-law died again while downloading and installing updates. |
| 18:38.37 | levi | I figure there must be a lurking hardware issue, but I have no idea what it might be. |
| 18:38.50 | levi | I ran memtest86 overnight before I gave it back last time. |
| 18:40.09 | Tene | findlay: yes |
| 18:40.23 | findlay | ~yes |
| 18:40.24 | ibot | You don't say! |
| 18:40.41 | findlay | Tene: so what is it? |
| 18:41.44 | findlay | neither ntop nor iftop are in the centos repos |
| 18:41.53 | Tene | findlay: I won't tell you. |
| 18:42.31 | findlay | fine |
| 18:45.37 | levi | Cool, Randal Schwartz interviews Dan Ingalls on FLOSS Weekly. |
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| 19:20.23 | levi | elg: How's your garden going? |
| 19:21.28 | findlay | well, you can't grow alfalfa in a cubic foot of dirt |
| 19:21.53 | levi | findlay: Why not? |
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| 19:23.51 | sargun-palm | what's worse than incompetent people? |
| 19:24.17 | sargun-palm | incompetent people who think they are competent (most teenagers) |
| 19:24.27 | sargun-palm | what's worse than that' |
| 19:24.28 | levi | (like Sargun!) |
| 19:24.37 | sargun-palm | (heh) |
| 19:25.00 | sargun-palm | incompetent people who people look up to. |
| 19:25.00 | levi | Competent but malicious people are worse. |
| 19:25.15 | sargun-palm | like steve gibson, steve ballmer |
| 19:25.46 | sargun-palm | sales people. |
| 19:26.15 | levi | Well duh. Of course sales people are evil. :P |
| 19:26.17 | elg | levi: pretty good |
| 19:26.23 | elg | except something keeps eating it |
| 19:26.29 | elg | some kind of bug |
| 19:26.31 | nick125 | looks around |
| 19:26.37 | levi | Hmm. Darned bugs. |
| 19:26.54 | elg | yeah |
| 19:27.10 | elg | just about everything has sprouted now |
| 19:27.14 | sargun-palm | my atm was broken today |
| 19:27.16 | elg | except the chamomile and oregano |
| 19:27.24 | levi | Mmm, oregano. |
| 19:27.30 | elg | there are a few things that sprouted and were et though |
| 19:27.45 | sargun-palm | it would only let me withdraw $100 |
| 19:27.49 | levi | We've got some nice basil plants in our starter box. |
| 19:27.51 | elg | so I need to replant, or maybe start them indoors so they can get established a bit before putting them out for the devourer |
| 19:27.56 | levi | And a couple of peppers. |
| 19:27.57 | sargun-palm | so I have an unreasonable amount of cash on me now. |
| 19:28.15 | elg | sargun-palm: so spend it on me |
| 19:28.24 | levi | sargun-palm: I'l take some, too. |
| 19:28.44 | elg | we have a jalapeño already |
| 19:29.10 | levi | My peppers are bell peppers. |
| 19:29.11 | elg | i've debated whether picking it now would give the plant more energy into getting bigger |
| 19:29.25 | sargun-palm | thanks, but no thanks |
| 19:29.43 | elg | the garlic and onions (that have sprouted) are doing really well |
| 19:29.50 | levi | I don't recall whether peppers are the sort of plants that stop growing once they successfully make some fruit. |
| 19:29.51 | findlay | levi: because alfalfa roots grow 2 metres deep |
| 19:29.57 | elg | the radishes sprouted in patches, but they're doing well |
| 19:30.02 | levi | findlay: Well, they *can* grow that deep. |
| 19:30.17 | levi | findlay: They'd grow 1 foot deep in a cubic foot of soil. |
| 19:30.27 | findlay | levi: well, if you want to grow it in your box, you can sure try it :) |
| 19:30.43 | levi | findlay: I don't have a box, I've got a plot of ground. |
| 19:30.49 | elg | who'd want to grow alfalfa? |
| 19:31.04 | elg | when was the last time you had a 'falfa sandwich? |
| 19:31.14 | levi | elg: It's useful as a green manure to get nitrogen and organic matter into your soil. |
| 19:31.15 | eltiare | elg: A diary farmer? |
| 19:31.22 | sargun-palm | alfalfa is gross. |
| 19:31.28 | findlay | levi: no, I think they would sprout out of the bottom of the box and tooling around like octapus tentacles |
| 19:31.32 | elg | that's true. so is wheatgrass |
| 19:31.56 | elg | or you can just compost your food waste |
| 19:32.17 | maquis | hey... i just saw that Sargun was handing out money? |
| 19:32.22 | levi | elg: Sure, but you can also do both. My soil needs lots of help. :) |
| 19:33.14 | lakshmi | he shoulda given it to me !? |
| 19:34.25 | elg | eltiare: are they grown in china? |
| 19:34.49 | eltiare | elg: Oh, sorry - got in on the conversation late. :) |
| 19:35.21 | maquis | wants money |
| 19:35.31 | findlay | ~make money |
| 19:35.31 | ibot | make: *** No rule to make target `money'. Stop. |
| 19:35.53 | maquis | has anyone here done much with sprouting wheat (or with wheatgrass)? |
| 19:35.56 | maquis | what do you use it for? |
| 19:36.04 | eltiare | prints out a million dollar bill for maquis. |
| 19:36.12 | maquis | sweet! thanks eltiare |
| 19:36.18 | eltiare | np. |
| 19:36.24 | levi | maquis: You juice it to make a really nasty drink. |
| 19:36.35 | maquis | levi: aside from that? |
| 19:36.52 | levi | Till it into the soil to add organic matter. :) |
| 19:36.53 | eltiare | maquis: and don't drink very much, otherwise you'll *really* be sick. |
| 19:38.36 | maquis | so, i read someplace of people sprouting wheat, and then using it in breads... but i'm not quite certain how they do that... |
| 19:39.15 | elg | ~spell eltiare |
| 19:39.20 | maquis | do they grind the entire sprouted wheat, or add the sprout part to flour ground from other wheat, or what? |
| 19:39.33 | elg | maquis: i have a book that talks about it checked out of the library |
| 19:39.41 | maquis | elg: what does the book say? |
| 19:39.41 | elg | you can do either |
| 19:39.45 | eltiare | elg, It's a name that I made up. |
| 19:39.46 | levi | I'm not sure why you'd want to put wheatgrass into bread. |
| 19:40.07 | elg | well, you just get it starting to sprout |
| 19:40.12 | elg | you don't grow it into grass |
| 19:40.14 | elg | not like bean sprouts |
| 19:40.15 | maquis | levi: because it has stuff that's good for your body that isn't in the wheat itself... |
| 19:40.22 | eltiare | I am male, even though it seems that most of the spelling suggestions are femail... |
| 19:40.35 | eltiare | ... and I can't spell today, apparently. |
| 19:40.39 | maquis | sends a femail to eltiare |
| 19:40.51 | elg | diary was misspelled, that's all |
| 19:41.09 | levi | C'mon, you eat bread because it's tasty, not because it's healthy. |
| 19:41.14 | eltiare | Nice, one good turn deserves another, maquis. |
| 19:41.16 | elg | maquis: generally you'd include sprouted wheat in with flour |
| 19:41.35 | maquis | elg: ok... i'm going to have to try that sometime |
| 19:42.37 | elg | pm me your address and I'll send you a photocopy of a recipe |
| 19:42.57 | elg | since i'm too lazy to type it |
| 19:43.00 | elg | or scan it |
| 19:43.10 | elg | that's how lazy I am |
| 19:43.22 | maquis | elg: done :) |
| 19:43.32 | levi | I'm too lazy to send stuff in the mail. |
| 19:43.42 | levi | But not too lazy to scan things. |
| 19:44.01 | maquis | i'm too lazy to mail stuff |
| 19:44.06 | ^Migs^ | this is why we have grunts to do this work for us |
| 19:44.12 | elg | well the printer/scanner is hooked up to the server, so running the scanning software is a slight ordeal |
| 19:44.26 | ^Migs^ | you need a document camera |
| 19:44.27 | maquis | but apparently not too lazy to pay an extra 5$ for my electric bill since they don't have online bill pay, so you have to call in to pay the bill if you don't mail it |
| 19:45.21 | ^Migs^ | what electric company doesn't have online bill pay nowadays? |
| 19:45.33 | maquis | elg: yes, i can |
| 19:45.37 | ^Migs^ | my city's water bill is still like that |
| 19:45.48 | ^Migs^ | I should offer to set them up with an online payment system in exchange for water service |
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| 19:46.01 | maquis | elg: yes... i could see it |
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| 19:51.57 | Tene | http://www.parrotcode.org/misc/parrotsketch-logs/irclog.parrotsketch-200805/irclog.parrotsketch.20080527 -- things that have happened in parrot in the past week |
| 19:57.21 | mrpull | Tene: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvyrzQldOKE -- parrot sketch nigerian scammer style |
| 20:00.05 | Tene | mrpull: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1281783384513253724&q=lojban&ei=JGg8SPm9I4T0rQPrl5GaCA -- parrot sketch lojban style |
| 20:01.55 | mrpull | Tene: holy cow... I wasn't aware of lojban. is that esperanto on crack? |
| 20:02.18 | Tene | It's rather different from esperanto. |
| 20:02.57 | Tene | I find it a really interesting language. |
| 20:03.36 | mrpull | do only fat bearded men speak it? |
| 20:04.17 | mrpull | it looks like pony tails are optional |
| 20:04.32 | Tene | I speak it. |
| 20:04.44 | mrpull | fluently? |
| 20:05.02 | Tene | My vocabulary isn't good enough to speak fluently anymore, because I don't use it often enough. |
| 20:05.33 | Killarny | lojban is quite cool, in theory |
| 20:05.50 | Killarny | a tad too eccentric in practice for me to bother learning it though |
| 20:05.59 | maquis | prefers learning natural languages |
| 20:06.26 | ^Migs^ | http://www.lockergnome.com/blade/2008/05/27/microsofts-white-paper-compares-xp-to-vista-to-win-converts/ |
| 20:07.43 | maquis | lol |
| 20:07.44 | mrpull | what is the advantage of dreaming up a new language instead of just unilaterally saying English is the official language of the world. |
| 20:07.46 | mrpull | ? |
| 20:08.13 | maquis | i was just reading in businessweek this morning about how much trouble m$ is having getting people to use vista, and how it's really helping apple a lot |
| 20:08.18 | ^Migs^ | agreed. People across the world are only embarassingly themselves by not speaking English. |
| 20:08.25 | maquis | mrpull: why english? |
| 20:08.32 | maquis | english is a newcomer on the language scene |
| 20:08.36 | Tene | The big point of lojban is curiousity about the sapir-whorf hypothesis. |
| 20:08.39 | mrpull | maquis: so I don't have to learn a new language |
| 20:08.46 | ^Migs^ | Vista has been a thorn in M$'s side ever since it came out |
| 20:08.54 | maquis | and chinese is much more common as a first language |
| 20:09.16 | ^Migs^ | every MS user will have to convert eventually, but I've been holding out as long as possible |
| 20:09.54 | maquis | mrpull: learning a new language is really fun, and you can learn a lot about the culture as well (especially when it's a language that's been around for millenia...) |
| 20:10.17 | Tene | Lojban is an attempt to make a very precise, very expressive language. |
| 20:10.30 | maquis | ok. side comment: a language that's been around for millenia and is still in common use today |
| 20:10.37 | mrpull | someday I'll learn spanish so I can retire outside a some resort town in mexico |
| 20:10.39 | maquis | ancient dead languages are kinda pointless, imho |
| 20:13.25 | Killarny | english is highly inconsistent as well |
| 20:13.53 | Killarny | and incredibly hard to learn (so I hear) |
| 20:14.37 | Killarny | by contrast, italian and spanish are fairly simple to learn |
| 20:15.11 | Killarny | so I think it makes more logical sense for native english speakers to learn other languages than it does to expect others to learn english |
| 20:20.32 | maquis | i can't speak to italian |
| 20:20.40 | maquis | spanish is ok, but still not very consistent |
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| 20:20.44 | maquis | (verb conjugation sucks) |
| 20:20.58 | maquis | chinese actually has surprisingly simple grammar. |
| 20:21.05 | maquis | if you don't need to read/write, chinese isn't too bad. |
| 20:21.11 | maquis | and if you do read/write, chinese is a lot of fun :) |
| 20:21.41 | maquis | caveat: tones suck in chinese, too :) |
| 20:28.45 | maquis | americans are just lazy and refuse to learn stuff |
| 20:29.18 | eltiare | and like most generalizations, that generalization is generally untrue. |
| 20:29.32 | maquis | eltiare: compared to other cultures? |
| 20:30.03 | eltiare | Yes. The average work week here has a much higher average than many other countries. |
| 20:30.24 | eltiare | Perhaps part of the reason we are "lazy" is because we work ourselves to death at our jobs on the average. |
| 20:30.35 | maquis | eltiare: what percentage of americans have at least basic levels of ability in at least one other language? |
| 20:31.00 | eltiare | I have no idea, but I am sure that this is not a fair measurement of laziness. |
| 20:31.24 | maquis | ok. let me rephrase my comment |
| 20:31.44 | findlay | agrees with eltiare |
| 20:31.56 | maquis | americans have no respect or interest in other people's cultures and languages |
| 20:32.12 | findlay | there's no economical/cultural/social need for Americans to learn foreign languages |
| 20:32.25 | findlay | we're the predominant society in the world |
| 20:32.35 | maquis | findlay: not for long |
| 20:32.47 | elg | do you seriously think citizens of $COUNTRY would bother to learn other languages any more than americans do if it weren't advantageous for them to do so? |
| 20:32.47 | maquis | lots of other societies are starting to surpass us |
| 20:32.50 | findlay | there's tremendous motivation for foreign people to learn English and other languages to a lesser extent |
| 20:33.00 | maquis | we have poor education |
| 20:33.03 | findlay | rolls his eyes |
| 20:33.13 | findlay | we have the best education in the world |
| 20:33.14 | elg | americans are not genetically losers |
| 20:33.17 | elg | humans are humans |
| 20:33.24 | maquis | elg: not genetically |
| 20:33.36 | maquis | nature vs nurture |
| 20:33.41 | findlay | why are our universities packed with foreigners? |
| 20:33.55 | findlay | so they can come and sample our poor education? |
| 20:33.57 | maquis | findlay: i'm talking about early education |
| 20:34.06 | ^Migs^ | nice save, maquis |
| 20:34.15 | findlay | that's still a matter of opinion |
| 20:34.16 | maquis | if you look at elementary, middle and high school, US students perform significantly worse in math and science |
| 20:34.30 | ^Migs^ | that's still a matter of opinion |
| 20:34.31 | findlay | and a matter of cooking the numbers |
| 20:34.42 | findlay | foreign countries love to do that |
| 20:34.46 | ^Migs^ | perhaps because our standards are twice as high as anywhere else in the world? |
| 20:34.50 | elg | maquis: and don't forget that the reason everyone learns english is because we were the leaders in the world |
| 20:34.53 | maquis | ^Migs^: this is in equal tests |
| 20:35.02 | maquis | elg: from what i'm seeing, i don't think that we're going to be the leaders forever |
| 20:35.03 | elg | so you're talking out of both sides of the argument here |
| 20:35.30 | maquis | other countries are definitely catching up, and i would not be surprised if some of those countries surpass us in the next decade |
| 20:35.30 | elg | i know a lot more young people with multilingual skills than older people |
| 20:35.42 | elg | people from the glory days (when it comes to math and science) |
| 20:36.08 | elg | the whole world is becoming more global. I think it's too late for another language to usurp english |
| 20:36.16 | elg | but not out of possibility |
| 20:36.37 | findlay | maquis: it's globalization more than Americans being lazy that may lessen the potency of our global dominance |
| 20:36.47 | elg | even if we aren't the leaders, there's GB and a whole lot of people who have learned english, not french or esparanto or whatever toy language is vogue |
| 20:36.49 | findlay | and globalization in general is a Good Thing |
| 20:37.17 | elg | especially outside of europe |
| 20:37.37 | elg | and inside europe it's my understanding that english is quite pervasive among the educated |
| 20:38.18 | elg | just another example of worse is better |
| 20:38.54 | elg | there are specific advantages to english though, that may have even contributed |
| 20:39.26 | elg | not the least of which is english's (horrific?) ability to absorb words from other languages/cultures and to make up words and verbs and tenses on the fly |
| 20:39.46 | findlay | what's wrong with that? |
| 20:39.53 | findlay | I don't think that's horrific |
| 20:39.55 | elg | it's one of the advantages |
| 20:40.00 | elg | i'm just being superlative |
| 20:40.01 | ^Migs^ | that's why he said (horrific?) |
| 20:40.26 | findlay | ^Migs^: my breakfast this morning was (horrific?) |
| 20:40.32 | findlay | :) |
| 20:40.33 | elg | i have no doubt it was |
| 20:40.43 | elg | you probably ate american food after all |
| 20:40.52 | findlay | probably |
| 20:40.55 | ^Migs^ | I think you all are quite (horrific?) |
| 20:41.11 | findlay | well, doesn't that just boil the broccoli |
| 20:41.12 | ^Migs^ | (disgusting?) |
| 20:41.50 | elg | the (horrific?) comes in because that is basically *the* source of all our spelling "issues" |
| 20:41.59 | ^Migs^ | (disease-ridden?) |
| 20:42.12 | ^Migs^ | then learn 2 spell kthx |
| 20:42.22 | ^Migs^ | sets mode +spelling elg |
| 20:42.22 | elg | and probably grammar issues too |
| 20:42.39 | elg | sets mode +rebooting |
| 20:42.41 | findlay | spelling used to not be so strict |
| 20:43.04 | elg | yeah, the spelling strictness jihad is due to automatic resume parsing software |
| 20:43.23 | maquis | chinese still has a lot of people speaking it -- more native speakers of chinese than of any other language |
| 20:43.39 | maquis | (sorry... i got pulled off to other stuff for a few minutes...) |
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| 21:03.51 | findlay | oh sure |
| 21:04.04 | findlay | just leave the debate right when it starts to get interesting |
| 21:04.08 | findlay | :) |
| 21:05.38 | maquis | sorry |
| 21:05.41 | maquis | i had to do real work |
| 21:12.05 | Tene | bah |
| 21:12.31 | Tene | The only thing in the office to distract me from IRC right now is sjansen's nerf gun. |
| 21:12.42 | goozbach | nerf gun? |
| 21:12.43 | findlay | haha |
| 21:12.48 | goozbach | man, I miss GL |
| 21:12.57 | goozbach | has he modded it yet? |
| 21:13.02 | findlay | haha |
| 21:13.04 | Tene | don't think so |
| 21:13.13 | Tene | findlay: apply to work here. |
| 21:13.14 | findlay | red green style! |
| 21:13.28 | findlay | ~apply Tene |
| 21:13.36 | Tene | ~ducttape findlay |
| 21:13.42 | Tene | ~redgreen findlay |
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| 21:19.25 | levi | Haven't you guys seen Firefly? In the future, everyone's going to speak Engilsh but swear in Chinese. |
| 21:19.40 | findlay | haha |
| 21:20.52 | Killarny | hehe |
| 21:21.18 | Killarny | or the simpsons, where the swearing is done in spanish so that fox censors don't catch it |
| 21:21.36 | Killarny | fox/fcc |
| 21:22.35 | findlay | ~rot1337 fox |
| 21:22.35 | ibot | qzi |
| 21:23.06 | findlay | -chat ~scramble |
| 21:23.06 | brac | ~scramble went |
| 21:23.56 | findlay | ~scramble effuse sesquipedalian nonsense |
| 21:24.02 | findlay | -chat ~scramble |
| 21:24.02 | brac | ~scramble did |
| 21:24.19 | findlay | l4m3 b0tz |
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| 21:33.22 | brasto | hey guys, I just plugged a usb drive into a SLES 10 machine, but it doesn't see it. I don't see it in /media since it's not mounted, but I don't see anything in /dev for it either. |
| 21:33.37 | findlay | what does lsusb tell you? |
| 21:33.44 | brasto | checking |
| 21:33.53 | findlay | does the light come on? |
| 21:33.59 | findlay | fdisk -l? |
| 21:34.37 | brasto | lsusb |
| 21:34.37 | brasto | Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 |
| 21:34.37 | brasto | Bus 005 Device 003: ID 046d:c016 Logitech, Inc. M-UV69a Optical Wheel Mouse |
| 21:34.37 | brasto | Bus 005 Device 002: ID 04b4:6560 Cypress Semiconductor Corp. CY7C65640 USB-2.0 "TetraHub |
| 21:34.50 | brasto | then 4 lines with nothing |
| 21:35.09 | brasto | not sure what the Cypress tetrahub thing is |
| 21:35.10 | findlay | maybe it's a bad drive. Try it in another computer |
| 21:35.46 | findlay | are the proper kernel modules loaded? |
| 21:37.14 | brasto | findlay: lsmod | grep usb? |
| 21:38.32 | thaddeusq | brasto: The Cypress tetrahub is a USB hub. the chipset is also used in belkin usb hubs |
| 21:38.55 | brasto | ok, so that hub must be the external hub |
| 21:39.54 | thaddeusq | brasto: so is the usb drive plugged into the external hub? |
| 21:40.37 | brasto | it wasn't plugged in all the way |
| 21:40.40 | brasto | ... |
| 21:41.04 | findlay | brasto: ehci-hcd.ko, usbcore.ko, and usb-storage.ko are the main ones I'd check, unless some or all of that is builtin to the kernel |
| 21:41.26 | findlay | :) |
| 21:41.43 | thaddeusq | brasto: that's why I always say: "99% of the time it's a cabling issue." |
| 21:41.46 | thaddeusq | :) |
| 21:41.50 | findlay | but only after checking the physical stuff :) |
| 21:45.04 | brasto | yep, it was kbd to chair if this time |
| 21:45.17 | Sargun | lmm |
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| 22:09.23 | maquis | is it just me or does songbird have a new update every 5 hours? |
| 22:14.20 | levi | What's songbird? |
| 22:19.02 | maquis | levi: it's kind-of an open-source itunes replacement type of app |
| 22:19.10 | maquis | runs on linux and windoze |
| 22:20.32 | mrpull | does songbird actually manage the songs on an ipod yet? |
| 22:20.55 | nick125 | maybe there's an addon for that |
| 22:21.15 | nick125 | yeah, there is |
| 22:21.23 | nick125 | http://addons.songbirdnest.com/addon/12 |
| 22:21.23 | maquis | mrpull: there's an addon |
| 22:21.47 | nick125 | maquis: Is it stable enough for everyday use? |
| 22:22.15 | maquis | nick125: aside from the fact that every 5 hours it asks me if i want to restart to pick up an update, it's quite stable |
| 22:22.20 | mrpull | btw... I was given a 4gb 3G Nano the other day... that was nice |
| 22:22.27 | maquis | i've been using it this week, and enjoy it |
| 22:22.29 | mrpull | schwag is on an upturn it seems |
| 22:22.31 | maquis | mrpull: for free? |
| 22:22.33 | maquis | wow! |
| 22:22.36 | nick125 | mm |
| 22:22.39 | maquis | where did you get that schwag? |
| 22:22.40 | nick125 | downloads |
| 22:22.42 | mrpull | yeah. it was an HP lunch and learn |
| 22:23.00 | nick125 | I should put it on the craptop first |
| 22:24.39 | Sargun | lol |
| 22:26.32 | mrpull | it looks like songbird has come a long way since I last looked at it. |
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| 22:27.01 | *** mode/#utah [+v elg] by ChanServ |
| 22:27.16 | nick125 | Sargun: wanna trade? I'll trade my HP dv5178us for your T61. |
| 22:28.27 | mrpull | maquis: grab the last.fm plugin for songbird and join the #utah group |
| 22:28.28 | mrpull | http://www.last.fm/group/%2523utah/members |
| 22:28.47 | mrpull | and you can see that everybody here has terrible taste in music |
| 22:28.53 | maquis | is this going to show people my taste in music? |
| 22:29.01 | maquis | because that could be really embarrassing... |
| 22:29.43 | nick125 | haha |
| 22:29.57 | mrpull | not as embarrissing as jayce^'s synthpop (or say... my outlaw country) |
| 22:30.18 | levi | Outlaw country is one of the few tolerable forms of the genre. :) |
| 22:30.39 | mrpull | I've got an unhealthy obsession with Willie Nelson |
| 22:30.50 | levi | Jonny Cash FTW. |
| 22:31.17 | undertakingyou | levi: +1 |
| 22:31.19 | mrpull | levi: have you heard the Johnny Cash / Willie Nelson Storytellers record? |
| 22:31.24 | levi | Nope. |
| 22:31.27 | mrpull | one of my favorites for long drives |
| 22:31.36 | undertakingyou | mrpull: that is such a good album |
| 22:31.45 | levi | I'm not a huge fan, but I appreciate his music. |
| 22:32.04 | mrpull | http://www.last.fm/music/Johnny%2BCash%2B%2526%2BWillie%2BNelson/VH1+Storytellers |
| 22:32.52 | levi | Jayce appears to have an unhealthy appreciation of Erasure. |
| 22:33.04 | levi | And I like Erasure. |
| 22:33.18 | levi | Just not anywhere near that much! |
| 22:33.52 | levi | Anyone who likes Erasure more than New Order has got a screw loose, that's all I'm saying. ;) |
| 22:34.10 | mrpull | I'm afraid to look at my stats |
| 22:34.52 | levi | You're a little more balanced than Jayce, though Foo Fighters have a clear lead in your stats. |
| 22:34.54 | mrpull | I guess I had a grunge phase again recently |
| 22:35.11 | mrpull | I had a serious foo fighters crush there for a bit |
| 22:35.19 | levi | I guess so! |
| 22:35.41 | levi | I'm glad to see Radiohead up there, too. And the Beastie Boys. |
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| 22:36.21 | maquis | wow... i haven't looked at last.fm in a long time |
| 22:36.25 | levi | Hey, Mono. I listened to them a lot in my trip-hop phase. |
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| 22:37.10 | mrpull | the post-rock stuff has appealed to me lately... good working music |
| 22:37.21 | levi | Like Sigur Ros? |
| 22:37.22 | mrpull | explosions in the sky / mogwai |
| 22:37.26 | mrpull | sigur ros is ok |
| 22:37.39 | maquis | like.. since christmas |
| 22:37.39 | mrpull | I like the heavier guitar stuff |
| 22:38.10 | levi | Here's mine: http://www.last.fm/user/LevisListening/ |
| 22:38.27 | levi | I haven't used a scrobbler-enabled media player in a long time. |
| 22:38.47 | maquis | ok. no picking on me, though |
| 22:39.07 | mrpull | I've used open-pandora a bit lately... that kinda skews my scrobbling, but whatever |
| 22:39.42 | harleypig | exzit |
| 22:39.42 | harleypig | woops |
| 22:39.43 | sjansen | ~seen sjansen |
| 22:39.43 | ibot | sjansen is currently on #utah. Has said a total of 1 messages. Is idling for 0s, last said: '~seen sjansen'. |
| 22:39.57 | harleypig | ibot needs to learn about recursion |
| 22:41.14 | levi | Haha, I told it to play 'my station', and the first track is Blue Monday. I love it. |
| 22:41.38 | mrpull | I like pandora's stations more than last.fm's |
| 22:41.49 | mrpull | mashing the two together is a good thing |
| 22:42.10 | levi | Well, it got off to a good start with me, anyway. |
| 22:42.15 | maquis | i had some nice experiences with pandora |
| 22:42.27 | levi | I played with pandora a little bit when it first came out. |
| 22:43.36 | mrpull | if you use windows and like pandora, check out open pandora, it's a lightweight app that wraps around the pandora player and gets it out of your browser |
| 22:43.54 | mrpull | and gives keyboard shortcuts / nice little pop-up notifications /etc |
| 22:43.58 | mrpull | scrobbling |
| 22:46.09 | levi | I am using windows, but not pandora so much. What's a good scrobbling windows audio player? |
| 22:46.31 | mrpull | itunes and wmp are supported out of the box |
| 22:46.47 | mrpull | looks like songbird will work with a plugin |
| 22:46.57 | levi | Oh, well, that's easy. I just need to install plugins for them? |
| 22:48.03 | levi | Mmm, Tom Waits. This is a different version of Rain Dogs than I'm used to. |
| 22:48.29 | mrpull | yeah, when you run the last.fm install it will offer to install plugins for the players you have installed |
| 22:50.48 | levi | How weird. If I sign in, I can't listen to my station. But if I'm not logged in, I can listen to it. |
| 22:51.17 | maquis | is there a way i can get last.fm to show me what others are listening to in the group? |
| 22:52.06 | nick125 | emerges songbird-bin...ack, gcc-3.3.6! |
| 22:52.20 | mrpull | not in real-time (yet) but they do weekly stats |
| 22:53.47 | maquis | mrpull: does songbird let me see those? or do i need to do something stupid like go to last.fm to see it? |
| 22:54.39 | mrpull | well... actually, I think you can subscribe to rss feeds (and similar feeds for facebook/myspace/whatever) |
| 22:54.42 | levi | Man, I love my headphones. |
| 22:54.52 | Tene | what kind of headphones are they? |
| 22:54.58 | maquis | loves her headphones too |
| 22:55.01 | mrpull | that'd be a cool songbird plugin if it doesn't yet exist |
| 22:55.02 | maquis | sennheiser for mine |
| 22:55.29 | levi | Mine are AKG 271 Studio headphones. |
| 22:55.43 | levi | Er, K271 |
| 23:04.12 | levi | Not only are they awesome headphones, but I didn't have to pay for them. :) |
| 23:05.34 | maquis | listens to Code Monkey. |
| 23:08.49 | levi | maquis: No offense, but I think your last.fm station would make my brain disconnect itself from my ears. ;) |
| 23:09.28 | maquis | levi: i said that it was embarassing... |
| 23:09.33 | Heartsbane | ah the pleasures of being deaf |
| 23:09.49 | levi | maquis: You need some good music! |
| 23:10.07 | maquis | levi: i'm interested in discovering new music |
| 23:10.14 | nick125 | I need a 2.5mm->3.5mm adapter so I can use my Shure headset with my laptop. |
| 23:11.00 | Dew420 | I see |
| 23:12.14 | maquis | levi: i will try to not overly hurt the #utah radio :) |
| 23:12.16 | nick125 | blah, I spent all that time emerging songbird, and it's an old version! |
| 23:12.32 | maquis | nick125: don't worry... it asks to update every 5 hours |
| 23:12.54 | maquis | listens to the #utah member radio to see if there's anything here that she likes |
| 23:13.04 | nick125 | I got a notice saying "It looks like you're going old school!" when I started up...this is like 0.2.1 |
| 23:16.12 | maquis | yeah |
| 23:16.26 | maquis | nick125: that's pretty common, in my experience |
| 23:17.31 | nick125 | is emerging 0.5 |
| 23:17.46 | levi | Silly gentoo users. |
| 23:22.59 | levi | http://www.socialsecurity.gov/pressoffice/pr/baby-names2007-pr.htm |
| 23:23.00 | brac | [Pop Culture Makes Mark on Social Security's Most Popular Baby Names List] |
| 23:24.39 | nick125 | levi: Least gentoo doesn't do silly things like commenting out lines of code when they don't know what the lines of code do. |
| 23:27.08 | levi | nick125: That was pretty silly too, but it's the sort of thing that could happen in an ebuild as well as a binary package. |
| 23:28.16 | nick125 | Right, but I'm pretty sure that most gentoo developers would at least know what the code does before commenting it out...I mean, hacking a cryptography package just to get rid of a debugger *warning*? |
| 23:29.21 | levi | Did I say that wasn't dumb? No, I didn't. I said you're silly for waiting ages for new packages to compile. |
| 23:30.18 | nick125 | I don't wait ages, and I'd rather compile it myself than have to deal with someone else's broken packages or packages that aren't compiled with features that I need. |
| 23:30.26 | Dew420 | bah. how can an ex gf piss you off when you live on the otherside of the world now |
| 23:30.27 | Dew420 | lol |
| 23:30.51 | nick125 | Dew420: You'd be surprised. |
| 23:30.59 | levi | nick125: Sure, whatever. You're silly for caring about that stuff. |
| 23:31.27 | Dew420 | lol nick125 so I was when I checked my email this morning |
| 23:31.37 | nick125 | levi: I'm silly for caring that the stuff I install was compiled with the compile options I need? |
| 23:32.03 | levi | nick125: You're silly for thinking that you 'need' those compile options. |
| 23:32.15 | nick125 | How so? |
| 23:33.05 | levi | Twiddling with compile options is just a way for silly gentoo users to get their geek control freak ultra-customization fix. |
| 23:33.08 | Tene | nick125: compiled *yourself*? I don't believe you. |
| 23:33.25 | Tene | You used gcc driven by make and some python scripts. that's not compiling it yourself. |
| 23:33.47 | nick125 | levi: Uh. I wasn't talking about CFLAGS/CXXFLAGS. I could care less about those. |
| 23:33.57 | levi | Granted, there are a few occasions when compile options matter, but that's when you can download a source package instead of a binary one. |
| 23:35.24 | nick125 | I could care less if the package was "optimize" for my machine. Really. |
| 23:35.26 | levi | My point is, having the default be to download source and automatically compile is about the silliest waste of time I can imagine. |
| 23:35.40 | Dew420 | lol |
| 23:35.53 | Dew420 | I think levi has a point |
| 23:35.55 | levi | I mean, it's not even *fun*! |
| 23:35.57 | nick125 | What I do care about is having the proper support and compile-time options. |
| 23:36.04 | levi | Your time wasters should at least be fun. |
| 23:36.06 | Tene | nick125: examples? |
| 23:36.14 | levi | nick125: You're fooling yourself. |
| 23:36.57 | nick125 | Tene: Let's say I need lighttpd with lua (mod_magnet), fastcgi (for PHP/Python apps) and...let's say rrdtool. Or another example, let's say I need postgresql support in my PHP install. |
| 23:38.12 | nick125 | On a binary distro, if I wanted some option that wasn't compiled in, I'd have to grab the tarball and spend a bunch of time fiddling with it. |
| 23:38.12 | synic | apt-get install php php-pgsql |
| 23:39.05 | nick125 | synic: That's one of the few packages that is split like that. |
| 23:39.06 | synic | apt-get install lighttpd-mod-magnet |
| 23:39.16 | levi | nick125: Have you ever heard of source packages in binary distros, or have you been too blinded by silly gentoo propaganda to notice them? |
| 23:39.39 | synic | nick125: lots of them are split, and if not, you can still apt-get source |
| 23:39.58 | nick125 | levi: Most of the time, source packages in a binary distro is a really funny joke, especially when you try to use them. I spent more time dealing with Debhell and RPMhell than I care to count. |
| 23:40.35 | levi | Then you were doing it wrong. |
| 23:41.13 | nick125 | I will admit, I didn't put much effort into it, mainly because I was fed up with it to begin with. |
| 23:43.01 | levi | Compiling the whole world from scratch (automatically, by some script someone wrote) because you need a couple of packages split differently is the really funny joke. |
| 23:44.04 | dataw0lf | heh |
| 23:44.16 | dataw0lf | it's a knee slapper, indeed. |
| 23:44.30 | nick125 | And besides, I throw on an emerge during the night and it does it's thing. I don't even notice/care. |
| 23:44.42 | levi | Heh. That's what they all say. |
| 23:45.13 | nick125 | Last time I tried that with a Debian box, it stopped at the 3rd package to interactively reconfigure the packae. |
| 23:45.22 | levi | And then you hear occasional comments like, 'geez, I emerged the really old version! Now I have to emerge the new one...' |
| 23:45.23 | nick125 | *package |
| 23:45.42 | nick125 | levi: That's because I didn't pay attention to the version that was in the overlay. |
| 23:45.49 | levi | nick125: You can tell it not to do that. |
| 23:45.57 | levi | Again, you were doing it wrong. |
| 23:46.43 | levi | If you'd spent the time you invested learning how to deal with gentoo overlays, use flags, and all that stuff, you could have learned how to make a Debian or Fedora system run the way you wanted. |
| 23:47.11 | levi | And then you could have been running songbird seconds after you decided you wanted to check it out. |
| 23:47.33 | nick125 | Instead of seconds, I spent....2 minutes waiting. |
| 23:48.01 | nick125 | The last Fedora box I ran, I broke it within an hour. You know how I broke it? I tried upgrading it. |
| 23:48.15 | levi | You must have a much faster machine than I had when I tried gentoo. |
| 23:48.22 | macnewbold | ~give nick125 a FreeBSD iso |
| 23:48.22 | ibot | ACTION gives a FreeBSD iso to nick125 |
| 23:48.59 | nick125 | takes the ISO, throws it on the ground and smashes it into a zillion pieces |
| 23:49.09 | levi | Anyway, go ahead and keep running gentoo, I don't really care. I just like to poke fun at silly gentooers occasionally. |
| 23:49.32 | synic | now there's a package manager that's either _actually_ retarded, or I seriously missed the boat while reading the fbsd handbook: ports. |
| 23:50.33 | nick125 | I ran FBSD on my desktop for a while...went to upgrade firefox (which pulled in a new GTK, glib, etc). Let's put it this way: FBSD doesn't have a tool like revdep-rebuild, so I spent days recompiling X package, oh wait, that broke Y package, dangit, I recompiled Y package and now Z package broke. |
| 23:50.56 | synic | nick125: exactly. It's like gentoo, only doesn't work as well. |
| 23:51.29 | nick125 | I've never had that happen in Gentoo, or any other distribution/OS for that matter. |
| 23:51.40 | dataw0lf | revdep-rebuild? You mean the bash script that's remarkably easy to use under FreeBSD? |
| 23:52.13 | nick125 | dataw0lf: Since when could you use revdep-rebuild under FBSD? |
| 23:53.10 | nick125 | There was a ruby script that did something similar, but I couldn't install ruby for obvious reasons. |
| 23:53.22 | nick125 | (Or at least it was supposed to do something similar) |
| 23:55.32 | dataw0lf | http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=183657 |
| 23:55.51 | dataw0lf | there are numerous patches out there for FreeBSD to use the gentoolkit utilities. |
| 23:56.12 | nick125 | dataw0lf: Ah, that was probably way after I stopped using FreeBSD. |
| 23:59.04 | macnewbold | portupgrade might be the one you're looking for |
| 23:59.21 | macnewbold | it does the recursive rebuilding and such that you're talking about |