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| 01:30.54 | tensai | discovers netstat -su and netstat -tu |
| 01:31.05 | tensai | er, netstat -su and netstat -st |
| 01:36.29 | Sargun | uh |
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| 03:35.56 | findlay | ~uh |
| 03:35.59 | ibot | uh is, like, gay |
| 03:37.04 | Sargun | ibot, forget uh |
| 03:37.04 | ibot | i forgot uh, Sargun |
| 03:37.08 | Sargun | ~uh |
| 03:37.15 | Sargun | ibot, uh is like a word |
| 03:37.16 | ibot | Sargun: okay |
| 03:37.36 | Sargun | ~uh |
| 03:37.37 | ibot | i heard uh is like a word |
| 03:39.00 | findlay | heh |
| 03:43.14 | lakshmi | hey findlay |
| 03:43.20 | lakshmi | hey Sargun what up? |
| 03:47.51 | findlay | hey lakshmi |
| 03:48.10 | findlay | I'm in a hot chocolate shop in the Aves |
| 03:48.10 | findlay | it's wierd |
| 03:48.40 | lakshmi | how is it weird? |
| 03:49.32 | findlay | there's lots of wierd people |
| 03:49.42 | findlay | and it's so intentinoally retro |
| 03:50.01 | findlay | seems like retro is the cool thing these days |
| 03:50.10 | Sargun | That |
| 03:50.12 | Sargun | 's stupid |
| 03:50.19 | Sargun | Well, findlay is retro. |
| 03:50.38 | Sargun | You should fit right in ;-P |
| 03:51.17 | findlay | sure, Mr retro Sargun |
| 03:55.35 | lakshmi | hehe |
| 03:55.38 | lakshmi | well retro is in |
| 03:55.44 | lakshmi | cmon totally 70's people |
| 03:55.46 | lakshmi | :P |
| 03:56.44 | Sargun | findlay is from the 60s |
| 03:57.10 | lakshmi | oooh really?! |
| 03:57.25 | lakshmi | findlay wheres your hippie style? |
| 03:57.30 | findlay | ugh |
| 03:57.37 | lakshmi | cmon i wanna hear songs about the peace and love |
| 03:57.39 | findlay | whatever sargy |
| 03:57.47 | lakshmi | sargy? |
| 03:57.48 | lakshmi | hehe |
| 03:58.11 | lakshmi | Sargun whats your pet name for findlay :P |
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| 04:36.26 | tensai | ~lart qwest |
| 04:36.26 | ibot | slaps qwest around with a large trout |
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| 04:49.01 | tensai | elg: what did you plant in your sfg? |
| 04:51.27 | elg | cucumber, chamomile, tomato, jalapeño, rosemary, lavender, cilantro, radishes, onions, garlic, chives, carrots, thyme, oregano, basil, marigold, catnip, various lettuces, corn, squash, sugar snap peas, pole beans |
| 04:51.42 | tensai | mmm. when do we eat? |
| 04:51.53 | elg | :) |
| 04:52.03 | elg | hopefully I can keep whatever bug is chomping the leaves at bay |
| 04:52.11 | elg | eating the leaves of the jalapeño and some of the seedlings |
| 04:52.43 | tensai | you could put up netting |
| 04:53.19 | elg | not excited about that. besides, it could be inside the netting already |
| 04:53.45 | elg | thinking of spraying a pepper/garlic spray on them. my mom might have some ideas too |
| 04:54.03 | elg | she thinks it sounds like earwigs or some beetle, and she's going to check her books |
| 04:54.06 | tensai | so lock a few ladybugs, preying mantises and robins inside. they'll finish off the buggies. |
| 04:55.09 | tensai | do chile leaves contain capsaicin? |
| 04:55.22 | elg | i don't think so |
| 04:55.30 | elg | at least not in appreciable amts |
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| 05:16.26 | Tene | findlay: no, my girl |
| 05:16.33 | Tene | findlay: openmoko++ |
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| 05:18.04 | Cyberkruz | Moving to Utah in August for the win. |
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| 05:33.15 | tensai | ~wb |
| 05:33.15 | ibot | It's great to be back! |
| 05:51.47 | maquis | for future reference, ibm/lenovo gets massive points for service in my book |
| 05:52.14 | maquis | i just had my cd/dvd drive go out on my thinkpad, and i think that i might have just had the most pleasant experience i've ever had with tech support |
| 05:52.22 | maquis | A) they listened to me |
| 05:52.48 | maquis | B) they didn't talk down to me (i've gotten that from a lot of support people elsewhere) |
| 05:52.52 | maquis | C) the guy was friendly |
| 05:53.13 | maquis | D) they came up with a quick and simple way to solve my problem very expediently. |
| 05:53.36 | maquis | E) i waited a grand total of 20 seconds to talk to a real person (about 10 seconds + the "this call may be monitored" message) |
| 05:53.47 | maquis | anyway, i just had to say that) |
| 06:03.21 | maquis | (is it bad if i find it surprising to have a company hit those 5 points in a tech support call?) |
| 06:05.25 | tensai | bad for all the other companies. kind of a sorry commentary. |
| 06:32.55 | Sargun | maquis, IBM/Lenovo tech support is good. |
| 06:33.21 | lakshmi | haha |
| 06:33.27 | lakshmi | tech support is cool |
| 06:33.46 | lakshmi | unless you have an insane friend on the other line thats confusing everyone :P |
| 06:39.29 | maquis | Sargun: yeah |
| 06:39.49 | maquis | lakshmi: i've called tech support for friends who were afraid of calling tech support themselves... |
| 06:39.56 | maquis | i assure you that tech support is *not* cool |
| 06:40.50 | maquis | i've had a couple of tech support guys who, from the moment i started speaking, assumed that i was an idiot, and started talking down to me and ignoring everything i said. that made me furious |
| 06:46.36 | lakshmi | well ive only dealt with lenovo tech support |
| 06:46.40 | lakshmi | and they were fantastic |
| 06:46.50 | maquis | yeah |
| 06:46.52 | maquis | lenovo rocks |
| 06:46.54 | maquis | dell suck |
| 06:46.56 | maquis | s |
| 06:47.10 | Sargun | dell is awesome too |
| 06:47.12 | lakshmi | i agree |
| 06:47.13 | lakshmi | no |
| 06:47.13 | Sargun | don't diss them |
| 06:47.16 | Sargun | business support rocks |
| 06:47.22 | Sargun | Stop dissing dell. |
| 06:47.25 | lakshmi | my dell overheats and self combusts |
| 06:47.33 | lakshmi | and dies |
| 06:47.38 | lakshmi | and my other dell hates me |
| 06:47.44 | Sargun | Do you have a business class dell |
| 06:47.46 | maquis | Sargun: perhaps my experiences have been poor, but i've only worked with their personal support, and i've had *very* bad experiences |
| 06:47.49 | lakshmi | and support for eithe rof them is meh |
| 06:47.53 | Sargun | Dell and Lenovo compete in two different areas |
| 06:48.13 | Sargun | Lenovo is Business class, and Dell is personal and business class |
| 06:48.21 | lakshmi | why would that matter for their tech support |
| 06:48.25 | Sargun | You can't compare apples and oranges |
| 06:48.26 | lakshmi | no matter what you call for they should be chill |
| 06:48.31 | maquis | Sargun: i have a personal IBM machine, and i've helped friends talking to dell tech support |
| 06:48.34 | maquis | (for personal machines) |
| 06:48.34 | lakshmi | busines or personal |
| 06:48.50 | maquis | with IBM/Lenovo, i've had very good experiences |
| 06:49.00 | maquis | with Dell, nothing but trouble |
| 06:49.20 | lakshmi | i agree with maquis |
| 06:49.21 | Sargun | Yeah, but when you buy IBM they have business class machines. |
| 06:49.32 | Sargun | All of their machines are meant for profcessionala |
| 06:49.52 | maquis | Sargun: sure |
| 06:50.31 | maquis | but even for a personal call, late at night, they are friendly and nice on the phone, do what it takes to get the problem fixed, and don't treat me like i'm an idiot just because i'm female |
| 06:51.18 | Sargun | lakshmi is afraid to call tech support |
| 06:51.32 | lakshmi | Sargun im not afraid to call tech support |
| 06:51.35 | lakshmi | i would have done it |
| 06:51.44 | maquis | i've had lots of friends who were afraid to call tech support because tech support made them feel stupid by the way they talk |
| 06:51.51 | lakshmi | by myself if you hadnt done it and then confused me! |
| 06:52.11 | lakshmi | maquis i could have done it myself, with out Sargun |
| 06:52.28 | maquis | lakshmi: yeah. i don't doubt it |
| 06:52.31 | maquis | you hang out on irc :) |
| 06:52.39 | lakshmi | exactly!? |
| 06:56.28 | Sargun | lakshmi, you didn't for weeks |
| 06:56.50 | lakshmi | thats cause i was busy |
| 06:56.54 | Sargun | sure |
| 06:56.57 | lakshmi | and i procrastinate |
| 06:56.58 | lakshmi | member |
| 06:57.14 | lakshmi | i was gunna call ... |
| 06:57.20 | Sargun | lol |
| 06:57.41 | maquis | Sargun: i believe lakshmi |
| 06:57.54 | lakshmi | thank you maquis |
| 06:58.03 | lakshmi | sticks her tongue out at sargun, there! |
| 06:58.17 | Sargun | I have had absolutely no problem with Dell hardware. |
| 06:58.22 | Sargun | (Business class) |
| 06:58.51 | maquis | Sargun: that might be the difference |
| 06:59.20 | Sargun | Get a business class machine; they cost about as much as a 1up'd lenovo |
| 06:59.35 | Sargun | Its midnight! |
| 06:59.40 | Sargun | (nearly) |
| 06:59.42 | Sargun | Fri May 23 23:59:42 PDT 2008 |
| 06:59.46 | Sargun | Fri May 23 23:59:46 PDT 2008 |
| 07:00.00 | Sargun | Sat May 24 00:00:00 PDT 2008 |
| 07:00.06 | Sargun | Sat May 24 00:00:06 PDT 2008 |
| 07:00.09 | Sargun | Sat May 24 00:00:09 PDT 2008 |
| 07:00.10 | Sargun | Sat May 24 00:00:10 PDT 2008 |
| 07:00.41 | Sargun | Sat May 24 00:00:41 PDT 2008 |
| 07:00.47 | lakshmi | its midnight! |
| 07:00.49 | lakshmi | we get it ! |
| 07:01.01 | Sargun | Sat May 24 00:01:00 PDT 2008 |
| 07:01.02 | lakshmi | isnt that past your bedtime sargun? :P |
| 07:01.16 | maquis | Sargun: as far as dell goes, i've used one at work. it's not pleasant... but i don't think it's actually a business-class machine |
| 07:01.32 | lakshmi | dell overheats and failurizes |
| 07:03.49 | tensai | I'm on my third dell battery |
| 07:04.13 | tensai | no, second battery. third hard drive and third power supply. |
| 07:24.37 | Sargun | Business dell, or personal dell |
| 07:29.57 | maquis | Sargun: if it matters, then the company doesn't respect their customers |
| 07:31.57 | Sargun | yeah, |
| 07:32.02 | Sargun | I'll agree on that |
| 07:32.09 | Sargun | maquis, isn't it a little late for you? |
| 07:33.52 | tensai | Sargun: business dell, with gold support |
| 07:34.21 | Sargun | Hm, surprising |
| 07:34.35 | Sargun | I'm on my lenovo's and one of my dell's second battery |
| 07:34.46 | Sargun | It seems the new batteries last about 2 years |
| 07:35.11 | Sargun | but as stupid stuff keeps breaking in this lenovo |
| 07:35.18 | lakshmi | like what/ |
| 07:35.18 | Sargun | I'm thinking about switching over to Dell |
| 07:35.24 | Sargun | Like stuff lakshmi. |
| 07:35.31 | maquis | Sargun: a little, but i don't have work tomorrow :) |
| 07:37.03 | Sargun | br. |
| 07:37.36 | Sargun | http://xbmodder.us/ |
| 07:38.41 | Sargun | beautiful |
| 07:38.48 | Sargun | Anyone want to read/comment |
| 07:42.56 | lakshmi | hey Sargun look in your PM.. |
| 07:46.01 | Sargun | Anyone? |
| 07:47.19 | Tene | what about it? |
| 07:57.11 | Sargun | Make a comment on it, or give me some hits. |
| 07:57.35 | Sargun | A comment whether it be on the site, or on IRC |
| 07:57.56 | Sargun | Tene, Do you find any of it interesting? |
| 07:59.05 | Tene | no |
| 07:59.09 | Tene | I find you very boring. |
| 07:59.18 | Sargun | That's depressing. |
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| 14:14.51 | tensai | elg: I did a little transcoding in mythtv last night. going from mpeg2 to nuv results in a 2x increase in size at low quality. |
| 14:15.02 | tensai | I think I'll stick to mpeg2 then |
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| 14:19.51 | elg | heh, oh yeah? |
| 14:20.00 | elg | did you change the quality settings? |
| 14:20.21 | elg | I think all the quality settings are the same by default, which is a quite generous bitrate of 2mbit and rtjpeg, iirc |
| 14:20.34 | elg | which is about as intelligent as giving a bunch of yaks grenades |
| 14:25.14 | elg | my default transcode is: resize 640xauto, mpeg4, 2200, no HQ settings checked, 48000 quality 7 mp3 |
| 14:27.00 | elg | which is relatively easy on the cpu and quality is ok, and tends to be about half of the original mp2, but that depends on the bitrate of the original stream of course |
| 14:27.20 | elg | ~230M for half an hour |
| 14:28.16 | elg | no i take that back, about 470M for half an hour. the 230 is another transcoder |
| 14:28.40 | elg | if you enable the high quality options you can go down to 1000-1500 with ok quality, esp for things with little movement like the news |
| 14:30.56 | elg | since they use constant bitrate, the bitrate is your best indicator of how big the file will be |
| 14:34.00 | tensai | I'll look again. I thought they were set to different bitrates. |
| 14:35.28 | elg | 2200kbit * 3600 seconds / 8 bits / byte is roughly 1GB |
| 14:37.32 | elg | i am less than impressed with their transcoding options |
| 14:37.52 | elg | but if you trade a little space (compared to what you could do with more options) it works well enough |
| 14:44.07 | tensai | well sure enough, it was just as you said |
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| 16:07.05 | findlay | -chat Tene's girl |
| 16:07.05 | brac | Tene's girl in the templates, etc. |
| 16:07.55 | Tene | http://perlgeek.de/en/article/mutable-grammar-for-perl-6 |
| 16:08.03 | Tene | -chat ti'ocpi |
| 16:08.03 | brac | ti'ocpi did |
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| 16:45.58 | tensai | tristanbob: I've wanted to try out vyatta for a while. it looks pretty cool. would be fun to compare it to my ciscos. |
| 16:46.16 | tristanbob | tensai, I am having a lot of fun with it |
| 16:46.47 | tristanbob | I setup a remote-access VPN in 15 minutes, starting from scratch with no Vyatta knowledge |
| 16:47.07 | tristanbob | and the VPN commands makes sense, they are written in plain english |
| 16:47.13 | tristanbob | try that with a pix! |
| 16:47.43 | tensai | it's not hard to beat a pix :) |
| 17:02.40 | tristanbob | tensai, I did that all via command line - I will be blogging about how do configure remote-access VPN |
| 17:03.03 | tristanbob | I am also interested in how their web interface is going to look |
| 17:03.12 | tristanbob | Cisco ASDM is actually very well done |
| 17:03.19 | tristanbob | hard to beat, IMHO |
| 17:06.20 | peno | ew. cisco gui's. |
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| 17:36.27 | tensai | who's got 30 seconds to help me out with something? |
| 17:37.59 | tensai | it's simple, I promise |
| 17:41.08 | nick125 | Is vyatta still using xorp? |
| 17:41.51 | tensai | nick125: that was one of the changes to the recently released version |
| 17:41.54 | tensai | they're using quagga now |
| 17:42.14 | nick125 | I heard they were going to move to quagga, but I didn't know if they actually did |
| 17:42.27 | nick125 | speaking of VPNs, I need to setup openvpn. |
| 17:42.39 | tensai | you totally should. it rocks. |
| 17:44.20 | nick125 | That way, I can finally get rid of WEP/WPA |
| 17:48.49 | nick125 | Hmm...should I do X509 PKI or static key...hmm |
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| 19:13.38 | Tene | -chat sinuhe |
| 19:13.38 | brac | sinuhe did |
| 19:13.40 | Tene | -chat sinuhe |
| 19:13.41 | brac | sinuhe is right. |
| 19:13.53 | sinuhe | ? |
| 19:13.56 | Tene | -chat sinuhe |
| 19:13.56 | brac | sinuhe went |
| 19:19.07 | encryptz | -chat Tene is |
| 19:19.08 | brac | Tene is considering to western NC |
| 19:56.45 | findlay | -chat stuff |
| 19:56.46 | brac | stuff went into bc? |
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| 20:09.41 | findlay | whatever |
| 20:41.55 | Sargun | findlay, ! |
| 20:42.01 | Sargun | Sargun sucks yes? |
| 20:42.02 | Sargun | yes |
| 21:16.56 | findlay | yes what? |
| 21:20.45 | nick125 | Sargun: Don't be so hard on yourself. |
| 21:20.57 | Sargun | that's a la |
| 21:21.03 | Sargun | that's lakshmi's words. |
| 21:21.08 | Sargun | er, those are |
| 21:21.17 | findlay | interesting |
| 21:21.19 | nick125 | Sargun: I know :P |
| 21:23.25 | nick125 | Sargun: know anything about how to use the routes dispatcher with cherrypy? |
| 21:28.06 | nick125 | Or anything about routes, really. |
| 21:39.12 | Sargun | ip route add 4.2.2.2 blackhole |
| 21:39.23 | Sargun | 192.168.19.0/24 dev eth0 proto kernel scope link src 192.168.19.1 |
| 21:39.23 | Sargun | 10.21.1.0/24 dev eth1 proto kernel scope link src 10.21.1.2 |
| 21:39.24 | Sargun | 127.0.0.0/8 dev lo scope link |
| 21:39.24 | Sargun | default via 10.21.1.1 dev eth1 metric 2000 |
| 21:40.24 | nick125 | lol |
| 21:41.17 | Sargun | lakshmi doesn't know what a rickroll is. |
| 21:41.25 | nick125 | Sargun: har har har |
| 21:58.25 | Sargun | haha |
| 21:58.31 | Sargun | I like ip routing, not HTTP routing |
| 22:06.12 | nick125 | lol |
| 22:09.58 | nick125 | Sargun: I think I'm oing to work on PyBouncer2..PyBouncer1.x is broken |
| 22:15.13 | nick125 | I have to get it up soon...especially with Arduino.cc being up and down. |
| 22:16.08 | nick125 | (more down than up) |
| 22:17.03 | Sargun | Oh |
| 22:17.08 | Sargun | PyBouncer10! |
| 22:17.11 | Sargun | PyBouncer18! |
| 22:17.12 | Sargun | PyBouncer18.2! |
| 22:17.18 | Sargun | PyBouncer18.2439850230948320943049329432! |
| 22:17.25 | nick125 | lol |
| 22:17.43 | Sargun | how goo |
| 22:17.44 | Sargun | d is |
| 22:18.10 | Sargun | Lakshmi is here; She is fairly annoying. |
| 22:18.34 | Sargun | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:18.42 | nick125 | Sargun: I'm trying to get arduino to move to a VPS instead of another shared host.. |
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| 23:16.22 | elg | "easy candy", aka "no bakes" done right http://hans.fugal.net/recipes/easy_candy.txt |
| 23:16.25 | elg | accept no imitations |
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