| 00:00.18 | levi | First, though, I need to get wiring down to the closet it will live in. |
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| 00:03.01 | levi | I need to get electrical wiring in there as well as running network wire. |
| 00:03.52 | levi | Electrical wire should be easy, but network will require drilling and cutting some holes. :/ |
| 00:06.09 | levi | I've had all the tools and supplies for this handy for a while, but I haven't got around to it. Cutting holes in walls is scaring me, I guess. |
| 00:46.12 | Dew420 | And the boredom sets in |
| 00:51.47 | Sargun | oh |
| 00:51.48 | Sargun | ouch |
| 00:51.59 | Sargun | Dew420, what are you upto |
| 00:53.01 | Dew420 | sargun, absolutely nothing |
| 00:53.09 | Dew420 | setting up wordpress on my hosting in a minute here |
| 00:53.10 | Dew420 | thats about it |
| 00:53.19 | Sargun | I HATE WORDPRESS! |
| 00:53.29 | Dew420 | yeah I cba to update a site on my own tho lol |
| 00:53.31 | Dew420 | im lazy k? :P |
| 00:53.41 | Dew420 | is in a lazy-bored mood |
| 00:56.10 | Sargun | ah |
| 00:56.13 | Sargun | yeah |
| 00:56.18 | Sargun | write your own blog ;-P |
| 00:56.40 | Dew420 | Eh Could whip out bluefish and start coding lol. but I know i'd get fed up half-way through |
| 00:57.14 | Dew420 | Sargun, do you know why a site would re-direct to http://blabla.com when you type http://www.blabla.com ? |
| 00:57.18 | brac | [blabla.com] |
| 01:00.39 | Sargun | if the www hostname/address or *.blabla.com has a 320 redirect to blahblah.com |
| 01:00.54 | Sargun | Dew420, what are you in real life? |
| 01:01.03 | Dew420 | what do you mean? job-wise? |
| 01:02.21 | Sargun | yeah |
| 01:02.25 | Sargun | or are you a student |
| 01:02.28 | Sargun | or a hobo? |
| 01:02.58 | Dew420 | lol. just moved back to the usa so currently unemployed |
| 01:03.14 | Dew420 | only just got my state-id today so I can now get work |
| 01:03.28 | Dew420 | But I was doing admin work in the uk |
| 01:03.38 | Dew420 | and just about any other job to get by =] |
| 01:04.11 | Sargun | from where? |
| 01:04.14 | Sargun | oh |
| 01:04.17 | Sargun | why did you go to the UK? |
| 01:04.22 | Sargun | Why did you come back from the UK? |
| 01:04.33 | Dew420 | Went to the uk when I was younger, parents split, new guy in moms life etc etc lol |
| 01:04.53 | Dew420 | he was from the uk, she visited and loved it lol. Came back cuz things with my mom got..well tense to say the least |
| 01:05.07 | Dew420 | so now im with my dad...at least until I get a job and money to get out because |
| 01:05.10 | Dew420 | living with him is worse |
| 01:05.23 | Sargun | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:05.29 | Sargun | Not too bright :-/ |
| 01:05.34 | Dew420 | Yeah, I dno lol. might go back still |
| 01:05.41 | Sargun | Go back. Now. |
| 01:05.44 | Sargun | Flee. |
| 01:05.47 | Dew420 | it's kinda the plan to take the first or second wages and get a ticket |
| 01:06.08 | Sargun | We're going to become a Nanny state soon, and in a little bit the UK will too. |
| 01:06.15 | Sargun | but at least you guys will have cash |
| 01:06.17 | Dew420 | It's weird how you can move back to the country you were born and raised in |
| 01:06.19 | Dew420 | and not feel at home |
| 01:06.19 | Sargun | McCain will win. |
| 01:06.25 | Sargun | We'll get screwed. |
| 01:06.48 | Dew420 | yeah I haven't even bothered to follow the debates etc |
| 01:07.16 | Dew420 | The way I see it, no matter what happens, the world is fucked up lol |
| 01:09.31 | Sargun | hahaha, move to Saudi Arabia |
| 01:09.42 | Dew420 | Although the UK is not really that much better. Sure the money is worth more :P |
| 01:10.20 | Sargun | We're stupid and think that gay marriage is a bad idea. |
| 01:10.26 | Sargun | and abortion is a bad idea |
| 01:10.37 | Dew420 | lol. You can find people like that all over the world though |
| 01:10.38 | Sargun | interesting: http://jambafruit.com/ |
| 01:10.41 | brac | [Jamba/Dole] |
| 01:11.00 | Sargun | brac, shutup |
| 01:11.40 | Dew420 | Also, in my experience over in the uk, quite a lot of racists and people who will just hate you for being from any other country |
| 01:13.18 | Sargun | you can take on a british accent |
| 01:13.20 | Sargun | can't you? |
| 01:13.34 | Sargun | http://xbmodder.us/tmp/gah.html |
| 01:13.56 | Sargun | http://xbmodder.us/tmp/gah.html |
| 01:14.00 | Sargun | http://xbmodder.us/tmp/gah.html?hi |
| 01:14.08 | Sargun | http://xbmodder.us/tmp/gah.html?hi |
| 01:14.10 | Sargun | http://xbmodder.us/tmp/gah.html?hid |
| 01:14.19 | Sargun | http://xbmodder.us/tmp/gah.html?hid |
| 01:14.20 | Sargun | http://xbmodder.us/tmp/gah.html?hida |
| 01:14.31 | Sargun | http://xbmodder.us/tmp/gah.html?hidaa |
| 01:14.36 | Sargun | http://xbmodder.us/tmp/gah.html?hidaad |
| 01:14.41 | Sargun | hmm.. weird. |
| 01:14.44 | Dew420 | lol me? never tried don't think I will |
| 01:15.01 | Sargun | Dew420, are you not caucasian? |
| 01:15.02 | Dew420 | I just made sure the ones who hated me for being american knew I was proud to be american |
| 01:15.24 | Dew420 | me? na I class myself as "ghost-white" |
| 01:15.24 | Dew420 | lol |
| 01:15.47 | Sargun | don't be proud to be an america |
| 01:15.52 | Sargun | n |
| 01:17.30 | Dew420 | lol |
| 01:17.34 | Dew420 | why not? :P |
| 01:17.40 | Dew420 | it was good when I was born haha |
| 01:18.04 | Sargun | yeah, that was probably a long time ago. |
| 01:18.18 | Dew420 | Eh, nearly 20 years |
| 01:18.33 | Dew420 | Ima hate not being a teenager anymore man |
| 01:18.36 | Sargun | yeah, a long time ago. |
| 01:19.27 | Dew420 | lol. True, it is more fucked up now but it still wont make me un-proud of it |
| 01:19.47 | Dew420 | Am I proud of who has been leading the country the last 2 terms and the decisions hes made |
| 01:19.49 | Dew420 | hell nah but hey |
| 01:20.04 | Sargun | maybe fuel prices will go up enough that people will start to live in the cities rather than the suburbs |
| 01:20.40 | Dew420 | I have never drove and probably never will. Public transport where i've lived has always been good |
| 01:20.53 | Dew420 | and if it's within 1-3 miles, I have legs if I have to get there |
| 01:21.12 | Dew420 | but yeah, prices on everything is ridiculous, and the USD has become nearly worthless imo :P |
| 01:21.24 | Sargun | So you're a sysadmin? |
| 01:21.45 | Dew420 | Not college qualified but yeah, been messing with pc's since I was 11 |
| 01:22.27 | Sargun | I've been messing with PCs before that. |
| 01:22.33 | Dew420 | lol yeah, you older? |
| 01:22.35 | Sargun | no |
| 01:22.38 | Sargun | younger. |
| 01:22.43 | Dew420 | :P well.....s |
| 01:22.45 | Dew420 | so* |
| 01:22.46 | Dew420 | lol |
| 01:23.01 | Sargun | Particular area of system administration? |
| 01:23.17 | Dew420 | my first system was an apple 2e |
| 01:23.56 | Sargun | I've never owned an apple computer |
| 01:25.25 | Dew420 | and i can do a range of stuff |
| 01:25.37 | Dew420 | when I worked as an admin tho it was mainly doing anything my boss didn't want to |
| 01:25.39 | Dew420 | lol |
| 01:25.50 | Dew420 | updating website, backing the server up daily, filing, faxing, |
| 01:26.03 | Dew420 | 90% of the time copy-typing due to my wpm |
| 01:27.18 | Sargun | I love bananas |
| 01:27.26 | goozbach | Dew420: watch the language |
| 01:27.28 | Sargun | oh, boring stuff. |
| 01:27.37 | goozbach | keep the channel PG rated please |
| 01:28.10 | Dew420 | when did I swear :( |
| 01:28.39 | goozbach | 19:19 < Dew420> lol. True, it is more f***** up now but it still wont make me un-proud of it |
| 01:28.46 | Dew420 | ahh |
| 01:28.47 | Dew420 | sorry =] |
| 01:28.52 | goozbach | no prob |
| 01:29.23 | goozbach | just wanted to let you know we kinda frown upon that stuff here. :) |
| 01:30.43 | Sargun | goozbach, he's from the UK, he doesn't know what PG means ;-P |
| 01:30.48 | Dew420 | lol |
| 01:30.56 | Dew420 | they do swear a lot more |
| 01:31.04 | Sargun | yeah, they do |
| 01:31.14 | Dew420 | but they also have good ways to swear..but still sound pg |
| 01:34.22 | Sargun | like? |
| 01:35.18 | Dew420 | I think one of them explains it all but people may still call that a +pg |
| 01:35.54 | Dew420 | I guess it depeneds on the person. My step-dad thought every word I used was bad |
| 01:38.57 | Sargun | uh |
| 01:39.00 | Sargun | you mean pg+ |
| 01:39.11 | Sargun | wouldn't that be thinks? |
| 01:39.16 | Sargun | or does he no longer think |
| 01:43.33 | Dew420 | huh? |
| 01:44.10 | Dew420 | Was trying to figure out what the prefix for my sqldb name is |
| 01:44.18 | Dew420 | since it's not just dewpress |
| 01:45.53 | Sargun | huh |
| 01:45.57 | Sargun | dewpress |
| 01:46.06 | Sargun | who is this wordpress install for |
| 01:58.23 | Sargun | Dew420, I'm going about to do other things; if you want my attention: 925.202.9485 |
| 01:59.47 | findlay | that's not a proper address |
| 02:00.15 | findlay | there's 4 place-values, and they're all [0-255] inclusive |
| 02:01.06 | Dew420 | lol. dewpress = the name of the mysql database. the install is for me |
| 02:01.49 | findlay | stupid gmail thinks I want huge fonts |
| 02:02.25 | findlay | not on this tiny screen |
| 02:02.27 | Dew420 | lol |
| 02:02.54 | Dew420 | I have nothing to hold against gmail :( |
| 02:04.13 | Sargun | gmail is awesome. |
| 02:04.15 | Sargun | kills findlay |
| 02:05.13 | findlay | it has this useless banner across the top *CALENDAR* *DOCUMENTS* *PHOTOS* that doesn't respect the local font settings |
| 02:05.29 | findlay | and uses up valuable screen space with it's uselessness |
| 02:06.02 | findlay | besides gmail is getting teh slow |
| 02:06.37 | Sargun | findlay, you are the slow |
| 02:08.03 | findlay | google wants you to use all their stuff and then you'll realize only too late you have become a minion to their terrible thirst for world domination by a tyranny architected by their nefarious doings of no evil |
| 02:09.00 | findlay | plain old google search has the same banner and it respects my font settings |
| 02:09.39 | findlay | ~kill Sargun |
| 02:09.40 | ibot | ACTION shoots a hyper-charged pseudoelectron gun at Sargun |
| 02:12.34 | Sargun | ~lart findlay |
| 02:12.34 | ibot | pulls out his louisville slugger and uses findlay's head to break the homerun record |
| 02:12.52 | findlay | ~advise Sargun |
| 02:12.53 | ibot | Sargun: of course, the eigenspinor of casmir forces will compactify prerogative spaces and dilute volition density |
| 02:21.14 | fozzmoo | ~lart CentOS 4.5 guests that won't boot. |
| 02:21.14 | ibot | wallops CentOS 4.5 guests that won't boot. with a main rotation server that needs rehubbing. It won't take long |
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| 02:43.00 | Supaplex | -excuse |
| 02:43.00 | brac | le0: no carrier: transceiver cable problem? |
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| 03:22.01 | goozbach | ~convert 77794seconds to hours |
| 03:22.07 | goozbach | eek |
| 03:22.17 | goozbach | 21hrs behind |
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| 03:26.22 | Dew420 | Gotta love installing just about every game under ubuntu in one go |
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| 03:29.28 | Sargun | What are some good SFW shock sites? |
| 03:29.39 | Sargun | 20 May 20:29:39 ntpdate[11051]: adjust time server 72.36.170.170 offset 0.064033 sec |
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| 03:43.17 | Dew420 | noooooooooooooooo |
| 03:43.20 | Dew420 | star wars surround sound |
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| 03:43.22 | Dew420 | NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO |
| 03:43.25 | Dew420 | TOOO LOUD |
| 03:43.43 | Supaplex | o.O |
| 03:44.05 | Dew420 | :( |
| 03:44.16 | Dew420 | if only you lived within a 1 mile radius lol |
| 03:44.52 | Sargun | lol |
| 03:45.42 | Dew420 | my bro decided to whip out his surround sound full blast on knights of the old republic |
| 03:45.50 | goozbach | ~convert 77241seconds to hours |
| 03:47.01 | Dew420 | :( my ears lol |
| 03:55.38 | Sargun | Dew420, how old is your brother |
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| 05:24.46 | Sargun | 1/0 |
| 05:24.54 | lakshmi | s |
| 05:25.01 | lakshmi | Sargun u didnt do ti |
| 05:26.06 | Sargun | uh |
| 05:26.11 | Sargun | divide by zero |
| 05:26.14 | Sargun | yeah yeah! |
| 05:26.20 | lakshmi | send the link |
| 05:26.23 | lakshmi | yeah yeah |
| 05:26.24 | lakshmi | looser |
| 05:26.54 | fozzmoo | Make it more loose! |
| 05:27.10 | findlay | l000z3r |
| 05:27.16 | lakshmi | u make it more loose |
| 05:27.35 | findlay | ~random |
| 05:29.05 | lakshmi | are jesuits catholic fozzmoo ?! |
| 05:29.16 | lakshmi | fozzmoo |
| 05:29.18 | lakshmi | answer me |
| 05:29.19 | lakshmi | fast! |
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| 05:29.37 | fozzmoo | You watching Jeopardy or something? |
| 05:29.44 | lakshmi | no |
| 05:29.44 | findlay | ~answer |
| 05:29.45 | ibot | 42 |
| 05:29.49 | lakshmi | studying |
| 05:29.51 | findlay | lakshmi: 42 |
| 05:29.53 | lakshmi | about catholic reformation |
| 05:30.06 | findlay | hands wikipedia to lakshmi |
| 05:30.14 | lakshmi | and jesuits and coucil of trent |
| 05:30.16 | lakshmi | what are they |
| 05:30.21 | fozzmoo | Jesuits are the largest male religious order of the Roman Catholic Church |
| 05:30.21 | lakshmi | and are they prostents |
| 05:30.33 | lakshmi | so they are catholic? |
| 05:30.38 | lakshmi | and they hate protestants |
| 05:30.39 | fozzmoo | sure seems that way. |
| 05:30.39 | lakshmi | got it |
| 05:30.55 | findlay | got what? |
| 05:31.03 | findlay | who could ask for anything more? |
| 05:31.05 | findlay | who could ask for anything more? |
| 05:31.17 | fozzmoo | who could ask twice for anything more? |
| 05:31.29 | findlay | </gershwin> |
| 05:33.02 | fozzmoo | I should watch The Fisher King again. |
| 05:33.14 | DC | ... |
| 05:33.19 | fozzmoo | And Terry Gilliam really should make more films. |
| 05:35.00 | DC | <--- bored |
| 05:35.24 | findlay | no film here, my desk is clean |
| 05:39.34 | levi | Yay for Terry Gilliam. |
| 05:39.56 | fozzmoo | DC, what would you be doing if you were not bored? |
| 05:40.29 | levi | Grr, somehow I managed to buy a 2-prong, non-grounded outlet instead of the standard 3-prong one. :/ |
| 05:40.50 | Dew420`irie | lol. nice levi |
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| 05:47.45 | sontek | levi: just rip the ground off of your appliances! problem solved :D |
| 06:44.05 | Sargun | o.O |
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| 07:35.37 | Dew420`irie | Hum |
| 07:36.36 | Dew420`irie | Guess yall are sleeping like normal people eh |
| 08:13.16 | Sargun | no |
| 08:13.18 | Sargun | we're awake |
| 08:22.21 | sontek | its true |
| 08:25.55 | Sargun | sontek, what's up |
| 08:44.59 | Dew420`irie | lol |
| 08:46.09 | Sargun | Dew420`irie, what's up |
| 08:46.14 | Sargun | why are you `ire? |
| 08:46.48 | Dew420`irie | hmm |
| 08:46.51 | Dew420`irie | someone has my dew name |
| 08:46.55 | Dew420`irie | wtf over |
| 08:47.18 | Dew420 | I dno lol thats my secondary name |
| 08:47.39 | Dew420 | thanks for pointing that out :) |
| 08:47.43 | Dew420 | How's it going? |
| 08:49.02 | Sargun | well |
| 08:49.07 | Sargun | just getting ready to go to bed |
| 08:49.08 | Sargun | you |
| 08:50.43 | Dew420 | nothing |
| 08:50.49 | Dew420 | chatting to friends from the uk and yeah..thats it |
| 09:00.05 | Dew420 | wooooow. Three Doors Down. theres a group I haven't heard in years. |
| 09:38.41 | keldwud | I met this guy at cheers who claimed to be the lead singer for three doors down |
| 09:39.00 | keldwud | I was taking a shit in the bathroom at cheers and there is no divisor for privacy really |
| 09:39.44 | keldwud | and he talked to me and said he had a concert at Usana, and told me to come to the show. I said, you a crew member? sound, light, what? he said "I'm the lead singer for three doors down" |
| 09:42.01 | Dew420 | lol |
| 09:42.02 | Dew420 | crazy |
| 09:42.10 | Dew420 | You know of Craddle Of Filth? |
| 09:42.21 | Dew420 | I know them pretty well. |
| 09:42.46 | Dew420 | at least used to, lost contact about a year before moving back. Lived in Dani's old house lol |
| 09:45.32 | keldwud | I never got into Cradle much. |
| 09:53.26 | Dew420 | nah I hated their music |
| 09:53.32 | Dew420 | Loved their parties |
| 10:16.03 | tristanbob | I'm awake |
| 10:16.45 | keldwud | tristanbob: me too |
| 10:17.13 | tristanbob | I was sleeping, but then an idea got in my head so I had to work on it |
| 10:17.27 | tristanbob | otherwise I would forget it in the morning |
| 10:19.04 | keldwud | that's the only way to do it :) |
| 11:46.15 | Dew420 | yeah im still awake |
| 11:54.53 | keldwud | heh |
| 11:54.55 | keldwud | waves |
| 11:55.00 | Dew420 | waves |
| 11:55.21 | keldwud | I was just reading about the new Roku player |
| 11:55.35 | Dew420 | I haven't even heard of it to be honest with you. |
| 11:56.08 | Dew420 | checks google now |
| 11:56.17 | keldwud | and actually interested because my eeepc won't play netflix |
| 11:56.39 | keldwud | because netflix needs windows DRM, DirectX I think, and windows media player |
| 11:56.51 | Dew420 | im interested in most things new lol. I've had 0 problems with ubuntu 8.04 so im getting bored of it |
| 11:56.53 | keldwud | none of which will work conveniently on my 7inch handwarmer |
| 11:57.05 | keldwud | it is 100 bux |
| 11:57.20 | Dew420 | ah |
| 11:57.21 | Dew420 | lol |
| 11:57.28 | keldwud | which is about how much a windows XP license costs |
| 11:57.38 | keldwud | so why not get the hardware with it as well? :) |
| 11:57.41 | Dew420 | Thats true |
| 11:57.46 | keldwud | just plugs into your internet and your tv |
| 11:58.03 | keldwud | and you can stream your netflix to your tv |
| 11:58.29 | keldwud | I would love to take advantage of the unlimited "watch now" but like I said before, not using windows on my computer. |
| 11:59.01 | Dew420 | Yeah, windows wont install on my hdd |
| 11:59.19 | Dew420 | it either restart's the setup on it's own, dosn't copy x file, or stops at 39 minutes and just freezes |
| 11:59.21 | Dew420 | nce or twice bsod |
| 11:59.42 | Dew420 | so I gave up and went back to ubuntu. was using it for about 3 months before, not dependant on windows anymore |
| 11:59.47 | keldwud | rumor has it though that the ruko netflix player will be based on the blackfin DSP core |
| 12:00.11 | keldwud | so it may be a very hackable 100 dollar device to use with your television |
| 12:02.25 | keldwud | only useful though if you don't have other hardware in the home |
| 12:02.31 | keldwud | all I have right now is my eeepc |
| 12:02.39 | Dew420 | hmm. I spose. Im not much of a tv person so I wouldn't need it all that much |
| 12:02.40 | keldwud | and maybe a ps2 for games and DVD soon |
| 12:02.49 | keldwud | netflix is all movies :) |
| 12:02.51 | Dew420 | :( I had to get rid of my ps2 |
| 12:02.58 | Dew420 | and give up the chance to have a xbx360 |
| 12:02.59 | keldwud | oh I guess they have TV episodes too |
| 12:03.02 | Dew420 | because I moed back to the usa! :( |
| 12:03.38 | Sargun | netflix has TV shows. |
| 12:05.10 | Dew420 | Rah. I need a job now that I have an id lol |
| 12:06.02 | keldwud | points out his correction right above sargun's ;) |
| 12:06.08 | keldwud | oh and I need IE too. |
| 12:06.21 | keldwud | sucks that it is locked into the windows/IE thing |
| 12:06.36 | Sargun | blame the movie studios. |
| 12:07.08 | keldwud | yeah, they are scared of "losing" control over their content |
| 12:07.48 | keldwud | sargun - looks like I have to skip my bay area trip |
| 12:08.10 | keldwud | my knee just barely healed and I am already a week and a half past my original week of vacation from work :( |
| 12:10.29 | keldwud | but the Ruko box seems like a great solution for those of us who do not use windows or IE |
| 12:22.26 | Sargun | keldwud, That sucks. |
| 12:22.36 | Sargun | The Ruko is awesome. Hail to the Roku. |
| 12:22.47 | Sargun | er, that would have been better suited with a semicolon |
| 12:24.30 | keldwud | I don't want to early adopt though because the quality is still piss poor even though they hope to expand to HD service |
| 12:27.02 | Sargun | who cares about quality? |
| 12:27.11 | Sargun | I mean any content vs. no content |
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| 12:28.45 | keldwud | I'm not a big fan of quality either :) |
| 12:29.00 | keldwud | that is why I am happy with 8bit games still and my EEE PC |
| 12:29.36 | Sargun | haha |
| 12:32.17 | keldwud | http://www.natuba.com/photo/43fOry/ |
| 12:32.23 | keldwud | pokes brac |
| 12:32.36 | keldwud | doesn't he chime up right about now? I posteded a link |
| 12:33.15 | keldwud | on the cake from walmart "best wishes suzanne / underneath that / we miss you" |
| 12:45.58 | Sargun_screen | heya |
| 12:46.00 | Sargun_screen | sup |
| 12:47.02 | Sargun_screen | aren't female real estate agentss supposed to look attractive to better manipulate you? |
| 12:48.08 | Sargun_screen | broadcast: PING |
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| 12:51.59 | keldwud | if that were true sargun then why do they even bother wearing a top? |
| 12:52.09 | keldwud | they should just go topless if that is the bottom line ;) |
| 12:52.45 | Sargun_screen | that could make them go to jail... |
| 12:52.50 | keldwud | why? |
| 12:52.57 | keldwud | what's dangerous about boobs? |
| 12:53.01 | Sargun_screen | and the wives of clients very angry |
| 12:53.05 | keldwud | who do they harm? |
| 12:53.06 | keldwud | laughs |
| 12:53.27 | Sargun_screen | something about obscenity and the laws surrounding it... |
| 12:53.30 | keldwud | I thought jail was where they put people who are a threat to themselves or others. I don't see the threat behind boobs ;) |
| 12:54.01 | Sargun_screen | not my decision - ask a lawyer |
| 12:54.11 | keldwud | are we confusing "probably go to jail" with all the different degrees to which things are 'against the law' |
| 12:54.38 | keldwud | not your decision? in a democracy? then who makes the decisions in a democracy if it wasn't you? ;) |
| 12:54.42 | keldwud | ducks |
| 12:55.05 | Sargun_screen | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:56.10 | keldwud | but you see what I'm getting at by pointing out that not every alleged infraction of the law immediately ends in jail right? |
| 12:56.27 | keldwud | if that were the case then we would have even *more* overcrowded jails and prisons |
| 12:56.40 | keldwud | there just isn't any room for even violent offenders |
| 12:56.50 | Sargun_screen | even though not a single part of my life leaves thaat signature, I'm still treated like a second class citizen, i have to commit fraud to gtet even the simplestb thing done. |
| 12:57.00 | keldwud | so those that are less than violent may get some sort of other sentence |
| 12:57.23 | Sargun_screen | you are talking about the same idiotic justice system that I am, right? |
| 12:57.36 | keldwud | I believe so yeah. |
| 12:57.45 | keldwud | adds a comma ^ |
| 12:57.56 | Sargun_screen | the one that would ratyher put tax offenders behind bars than criminals, right? |
| 12:58.03 | keldwud | yep |
| 12:58.26 | Sargun_screen | sorry about my terrible syntax |
| 12:58.48 | keldwud | the reality of the situation is much different than the public's percception of what they *think* should happen because of movies and what they are told by talking heads that "such and such should be the punishment" |
| 12:58.56 | Sargun_screen | i am on a portable device via a not-so-interavtibe ssh console. |
| 12:59.01 | keldwud | oh it was my syntax I was adding a comma to. |
| 12:59.35 | keldwud | I think a person's fear of getting in trouble is much more effective than actually having to put people in jail |
| 12:59.39 | Sargun_screen | well, my syntax is also appaling |
| 13:00.00 | Sargun_screen | yes, and that judges are elected |
| 13:00.13 | keldwud | make 'em think that "you'll goto jail" for something that you don't actually goto jail for and you've saved yourself a lot of money spent on controlling that populace |
| 13:00.32 | Sargun_screen | you are more likely to elect the tough justice than the reasonable one |
| 13:00.52 | keldwud | I hear it all the time whenever I go do something that any free citizen can do, and I hear "you shouldn't do that" why not? "well what if you get in trouble?" |
| 13:01.07 | keldwud | I've never been to jail |
| 13:01.41 | keldwud | but I have been accused, not by police, but by citizens who believe "there ought to be a law" of breaking the law |
| 13:01.45 | Sargun_screen | neither but with his flirtations with the us justice systemm, its not enjoyable. |
| 13:02.16 | keldwud | the whole premise of the system is that they rely on YOU for convictions |
| 13:02.42 | keldwud | you cannot get into trouble unless you let them convince yourself that you have done something wrong |
| 13:03.01 | keldwud | once you admit that you did something wrong, does not matter if there is a law against it or not, you've convicted yourself |
| 13:03.09 | Sargun_screen | me, as in me, the future criminal? |
| 13:03.43 | Sargun_screen | yes, that is why you don't talk and get a lawyer... |
| 13:03.44 | keldwud | which usually happens long before you get into trouble because you already go into the action with the forethought that you are commiting crime. whether it is or it isn't is irrelevant. |
| 13:03.49 | Sargun_screen | a good lawyer |
| 13:03.54 | keldwud | :) |
| 13:04.22 | Sargun_screen | I hate lawyers, but they are needed in such cases |
| 13:04.27 | keldwud | but it starts before the lawyer |
| 13:04.39 | keldwud | it is about knowing that you are a free man before you even need a lawyer |
| 13:04.50 | keldwud | not beligerently free |
| 13:04.55 | keldwud | but free in your mind |
| 13:05.07 | Sargun_screen | yeah, lawyers help you stay the free man |
| 13:05.17 | Sargun_screen | well, what were ylu accused of? |
| 13:05.24 | keldwud | they can only help you do that if you are convinced you are free |
| 13:05.39 | keldwud | never been accused of anything by any courts or any officials or any government |
| 13:05.46 | Sargun_screen | they are good at that, some are |
| 13:05.54 | Sargun_screen | citizens? |
| 13:05.55 | keldwud | only accused by friends and family that say "you could get into trouble" |
| 13:06.25 | keldwud | "what if they call the cops?" |
| 13:06.40 | keldwud | say I am drinking a beer at my place of residence, on my property |
| 13:06.43 | keldwud | not against the law |
| 13:06.50 | keldwud | but people are still scared to do it |
| 13:07.00 | keldwud | because they think that you "might get in trouble" |
| 13:07.11 | Sargun_screen | yes scare tactics are amazing |
| 13:07.20 | keldwud | crap, I need to sleep before my long ride coming up in a few hours |
| 13:07.26 | Sargun_screen | so, looping back to the orginal point |
| 13:07.33 | keldwud | and if I get started now, I won't stop typing for a while ;) |
| 13:07.35 | keldwud | laughs |
| 13:07.48 | Sargun_screen | would you sell houses wirh your penis hanging ut? |
| 13:07.55 | keldwud | yes I would |
| 13:08.00 | keldwud | I streak all the time |
| 13:08.11 | keldwud | and I will never goto jail for it beacuse I do it as a free man |
| 13:08.11 | Sargun_screen | try it, tell me how it goes |
| 13:08.26 | keldwud | even if I get caught, the worst they can do to me is what I give them consent to do to me |
| 13:08.40 | Sargun_screen | try... |
| 13:08.45 | keldwud | laughs |
| 13:09.10 | keldwud | it may be against the law, but not the "do not pass go" type |
| 13:09.46 | keldwud | keep this topic fresh for me, I should put it in my blog |
| 13:09.52 | keldwud | I'll be back on later |
| 13:10.53 | Sargun_screen | bye |
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| 13:35.34 | eggyknap | That was interesting. |
| 13:36.29 | Sargun_screen | it was. a lilberal utahnian! who would have though? |
| 13:36.35 | eggyknap | :) |
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| 13:45.47 | Sargun_screen | hm, fathers do not pay enough attention to their young daughters |
| 13:46.21 | Sargun_screen | i dont think they realize in several years their daughters will be into much much younger men. |
| 13:46.51 | Sargun_screen | but then again, I'm a teenager and my opinion is wrong, |
| 13:47.16 | Sargun_screen | and I am not a person to judge anyone?'s |
| 13:47.28 | Sargun_screen | and I am not a person to judge anyone's parentinng style... |
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| 13:50.28 | Sargun_screen | good morning utahcon. |
| 13:51.19 | utahcon | morning |
| 13:54.02 | Sargun_screen | hello |
| 14:07.37 | Sargun_screen | This is awkward. I'm sitting across from the person on the train that I was partially responsible for getting kicked out of school even though she wasn't really the one that perpretrated the act. |
| 14:07.47 | Sargun_screen | and I don't really know what to say to her. |
| 14:07.58 | Sargun_screen | She doesn't even know who I am, well she doesn't remember who I am. |
| 14:10.18 | ^Migs^ | laugh in her face |
| 14:10.53 | Sargun_screen | That would end -very- badly |
| 14:11.20 | Sargun_screen | That would end with me bloodied and having to wait until the next train stop of the paramedics |
| 14:11.34 | Sargun_screen | and holding up a train of very angry, impatient. commuters |
| 14:20.17 | ^Migs^ | http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/funny-pictures-yassir-arracat.jpg |
| 14:21.30 | Sargun_screen | haha |
| 14:21.45 | ^Migs^ | wtf, my mouse wheel just broke |
| 14:22.46 | Sargun_screen | haha |
| 14:27.15 | eggyknap | Sargun_screen: I bet she knows exactly who you are, and doesn't know any more than you do what to say. |
| 14:27.41 | Sargun_screen | no, because I said hi to her |
| 14:27.51 | Sargun_screen | and said "Do I know you from somehwere?" |
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| 14:28.01 | Sargun_screen | she said "I don't recognize you" |
| 14:28.34 | Sargun_screen | window 13 |
| 14:29.34 | Tene | No, window 15! |
| 14:30.04 | Sargun_screen | kicks Tene in the gut |
| 14:30.25 | eggyknap | I'm not convinced. :) |
| 14:32.54 | Sargun_screen | eggyknap: We'll see... I don't want to interrupt her reading. |
| 14:33.01 | Sargun_screen | I love public transportaion though |
| 14:33.08 | Sargun_screen | So amazing it is. |
| 14:34.19 | eggyknap | It's better in places other than Utah, but yes, it's nice. |
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| 14:34.54 | tomhat | I want them to build trax up to wasatch blv and 3900s |
| 14:35.22 | eggyknap | tomhat: is that in the plans, ever? I'm not following their trax plans... |
| 14:35.37 | Sargun_screen | I want to have excellent public transportaion |
| 14:35.39 | tomhat | doubt that, but they are extending trax to the airport and a few other places |
| 14:36.12 | Sargun_screen | TRAX is a GPS |
| 14:36.19 | Sargun_screen | PNAV device thingy. |
| 14:37.49 | Sargun_screen | KVPs or XML? |
| 14:38.02 | Sargun_screen | For my new char protoxol |
| 14:38.04 | Sargun_screen | protocol |
| 14:43.49 | unum | they were going to go west with trax |
| 14:44.10 | unum | the state interfered so I'm not sure which plans got canceled and which ones remained |
| 14:44.48 | unum | the state took a bunch of the money that was going to be used for trax expansion and is planning on building a highway instead iirc |
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| 14:48.40 | Tene | findlay: did you know that there's a city in Ohio named 'Findlay'? |
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| 14:51.43 | Heartsbane | claim it as yours |
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| 15:25.03 | harleypig | monkeys blowing bubble gum flying out sphincters |
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| 15:46.50 | levi | Good morning. |
| 15:49.21 | Sargun | Morning |
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| 15:57.51 | sjansen | http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/funny-pictures-kittens-hugs-before-you-go.jpg |
| 16:00.45 | maquis | 'morning |
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| 16:04.08 | ^Migs^ | hahaha http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/7412417.stm |
| 16:04.13 | brac | [BBC NEWS | Special Reports | Microsoft CEO's egg attack] |
| 16:04.14 | ^Migs^ | Steve Ballmer, the CEO of Microsoft, was heckled and had eggs thrown at him during a lecture to university students at the Corvinus University in Budapest. |
| 16:08.06 | findlay | Tene: yup |
| 16:08.15 | maquis | heh |
| 16:11.35 | findlay | front runner all the way to Provo would be awesome |
| 16:11.51 | findlay | too bad I'm going to leave the state before that happens |
| 16:13.03 | findlay | and then they should build a high speed inter city train to Las Vegas and to Denver, not this slow amtrack stuff |
| 16:13.16 | harleypig | feh ... Happy Valley ites wouldn't do it in enough numbers. |
| 16:13.23 | harleypig | Most would think they were too good for it. |
| 16:13.26 | eggyknap | Las Vegas? Why not L.A. while they're at it |
| 16:13.28 | eggyknap | would go for that! |
| 16:13.41 | harleypig | And Pittsburgh! |
| 16:13.44 | utahcon | would take a highspeed train to LV or LA |
| 16:13.46 | Tene | Hey, anyone know where in the valley I could find a rental property with Utopia? |
| 16:13.48 | harleypig | Why not go for Pitt too. |
| 16:13.51 | elg | -chat |
| 16:13.54 | eggyknap | Yeah, Pitt might be less likely :) |
| 16:14.06 | harleypig | awww |
| 16:14.06 | brac | lukfugl <3 PHC |
| 16:14.13 | harleypig | picks up pieces of his bubble. |
| 16:14.14 | findlay | harleypig: you've never been on the bus in the morning in or out of happy valley |
| 16:14.17 | Tene | apartment, house, whatever, I'm very flexible. |
| 16:14.18 | findlay | it's packed |
| 16:14.28 | findlay | Tene: under the highway? |
| 16:14.41 | harleypig | findlay: ? I used to commute from Provo to SLC every morning ... |
| 16:14.50 | harleypig | But think about it. |
| 16:14.55 | unum | I think most houses in murray and midvale have it |
| 16:14.57 | findlay | harleypig: maybe times have changed :) |
| 16:14.59 | unum | so look for houses |
| 16:15.01 | harleypig | Those busses only run once an hour. |
| 16:15.07 | unum | stillwater claimed they were getting it |
| 16:15.14 | unum | then I moved out... |
| 16:15.36 | harleypig | Even as packed as they were, there wasn't enough demand for them to move it up to every 15 minutes. |
| 16:16.04 | harleypig | Or ... I guess I should say "only ran once an hour" I dunno if they still do. |
| 16:16.51 | findlay | harleypig: I'm sure you use only 95% of your total bandwidth, therefore we have no cause to upgrade you to a fiber link |
| 16:17.03 | harleypig | huh? |
| 16:17.16 | harleypig | tries to wipe the stoopid look off his face. |
| 16:17.33 | harleypig | :] |
| 16:17.39 | harleypig | I'm feeling emotive this morning. |
| 16:17.43 | unum | findlay: did you see the debate where hatch mocked the ideo of building high speed trains |
| 16:17.54 | unum | that's "wasting taxpayers money" |
| 16:17.58 | harleypig | Hatch is woefully behind the times. |
| 16:18.08 | findlay | harleypig: just saying that because the demand might appear small, doesn't mean it wouldn't work out in the end |
| 16:18.10 | unum | I voted against him :) |
| 16:18.14 | harleypig | On top of that, he was extremely condescending to my mom. |
| 16:18.16 | unum | heck I even campaign against him |
| 16:18.18 | maquis | throws eggyknap at hatch |
| 16:18.32 | maquis | (sorry eggyknap... i don't have any eggs around, so you'll have to do for that) |
| 16:18.38 | findlay | unum: I volunteered a little with pashdown's campaign |
| 16:18.55 | harleypig | findlay: oh ... I wasn't catching the relevance. |
| 16:19.27 | harleypig | heh ... I probably have too negative attitude about the sheeple in Utah Valley. |
| 16:19.28 | harleypig | :> |
| 16:19.30 | findlay | yeah, trains are the new fad in transportation |
| 16:19.50 | harleypig | I want my personal matter transmitter! |
| 16:19.52 | findlay | because Hatch thinks they're bad is a pretty sure sign that it's going to be big :-) |
| 16:20.01 | eggyknap | maquis: :) |
| 16:21.43 | eggyknap | figures the personal automobile idea is clearly broken, but perhaps that's youthful idealism |
| 16:28.47 | levi | I love my personal automobile, but I'd love to commute by train. |
| 16:29.05 | levi | Commuting in my personal automobile isn't all that much fun. |
| 16:29.56 | levi | I'd really love to commute by bicycle, but distance is an issue there right now. |
| 16:33.44 | unum | did not commute by bicycle today |
| 16:33.48 | unum | I wimped out |
| 16:34.34 | levi | Well, today is not a very bike-friendly day. |
| 16:34.55 | maquis | i commute by bus |
| 16:35.08 | maquis | it's nice because i can do other stuff while commuting |
| 16:35.33 | levi | That's exactly why I'd like to use mass transit. |
| 16:35.41 | levi | It'd be a perfect time to read, do homework, etc. |
| 16:36.04 | maquis | :) |
| 16:36.17 | maquis | question: who here has a crackberry, and do you like it? |
| 16:37.38 | harleypig | I did at one time ... I loved it. |
| 16:37.43 | levi | A crackberry is something work buys for you, and you use it because you have to. :P |
| 16:37.50 | harleypig | :> |
| 16:38.03 | harleypig | 2 polar opposite opinions in the same minute. |
| 16:38.24 | levi | (I haven't actually used one, just observed people who have them from work) |
| 16:38.49 | harleypig | Ah ... then you're a virgin talking about sex! |
| 16:38.50 | harleypig | ducks |
| 16:39.08 | levi | Erm, not exactly an apt analogy. :P |
| 16:39.25 | Tene | but levi, does your bicycle run linux? |
| 16:39.33 | maquis | i'm trying to decide whether to get one |
| 16:39.37 | levi | Tene: No, I run my bicycle! |
| 16:39.49 | harleypig | I've found my next halloween costume: http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2304088320/nm0354085 |
| 16:39.53 | levi | maquis: Are you an obsessive email-checker? |
| 16:39.54 | brac | [Photos of Sid Haig] |
| 16:39.58 | maquis | levi: yup |
| 16:40.04 | Tene | I'm an obsessive IRC-checker. |
| 16:40.13 | unum | can you run badblocks on a raid volume? |
| 16:40.15 | levi | maquis: Well, then the crackberry is probably right up your alley. |
| 16:40.29 | maquis | can you run ssh and stuff like that from a crackberry? |
| 16:40.36 | levi | I check email frequently, but I'm happy to not check it when I'm away from my computer. |
| 16:41.03 | levi | I have no idea about that. The people I see using them are just always frantically scrolling the stupid little trackball to read their emails. |
| 16:41.44 | Tene | I use ssh on my treo |
| 16:41.48 | levi | I wonder how the push email works if you don't have it set up through your company. |
| 16:41.49 | Tene | I check email with it using mutt |
| 16:41.57 | levi | Ugh. |
| 16:42.09 | Tene | There are native clients too |
| 16:42.18 | levi | Don't get me wrong, mutt is a decent email program, but it really wants you to have a real keyboard. |
| 16:42.36 | Tene | tinyqwerty doesn't count? ;) |
| 16:42.59 | levi | I wouldn't attempt to do anything useful via ssh on my treo if I had any alternative. |
| 16:43.10 | Tene | Yeah. |
| 16:43.20 | Tene | Like I said, IRC and reading email. |
| 16:43.27 | Tene | I didn't say "productive". :) |
| 16:43.42 | levi | Well, let me rephrase that. I wouldn't use ssh at all on my treo if I could avoid it. |
| 16:43.57 | levi | I pretty much never used ssh on my treo. |
| 16:45.32 | levi | I did have an old one with a low-res screen, though. |
| 16:46.07 | levi | I'm sure the hi-res screen would help, but the 'keyboard' was a major problem with using terminal apps. |
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| 16:46.40 | nick125_1ee | The main issue with SSHing over the Treo is the latency |
| 16:47.07 | maquis | ooh |
| 16:47.12 | maquis | my teammate brought in his DSLR |
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| 16:47.37 | levi | Mmm, DSLRs. |
| 16:47.37 | maquis | i'm having *major* camera envy |
| 16:47.42 | levi | I love my DSLR. |
| 16:47.50 | levi | Forget the crackberry, get a camera. |
| 16:47.58 | maquis | my powershot is pretty nice, but it's nothing next to a dslr |
| 16:48.13 | nick125_1ee | maquis: What id? |
| 16:48.15 | nick125_1ee | *kind |
| 16:48.49 | levi | I just saw an article on a 50mm f/0.7 lens. |
| 16:49.17 | maquis | nikon d200, he says |
| 16:49.26 | nick125_1ee | maquis: mm...nice |
| 16:50.18 | levi | It belonged to Stanley Kubrick. |
| 16:50.46 | levi | It was apparently used to film candlelight scenes in Barry Lyndon. |
| 16:51.00 | Jayce | my bro uses the 40d.. loves it |
| 16:51.10 | nick125_1ee | pets his XTi |
| 16:51.18 | maquis | wants an XT |
| 16:51.24 | levi | I considered getting a 40d, but I didn't like the fact that it didn't have a lens drive motor. |
| 16:51.33 | maquis | (too cheap for anything more expensive than that) |
| 16:52.04 | levi | I have a Pentax K100D. |
| 16:52.12 | nick125_1ee | maquis: The XT isn't a bad camera, but the XTi should be coming down in price due to the XSi. |
| 16:52.21 | maquis | nick125_1ee: true |
| 16:52.30 | levi | It's compatible with all Pentax autofocus lenses, plus it's got anti-shake technology built into the body. |
| 16:52.46 | Jayce | http://www.flickr.com/photos/jeremyhall/ <-- examples from his 40d |
| 16:52.46 | maquis | i still haven't managed to fit the XT into our budget yet... maybe soon, though... |
| 16:53.08 | Jayce | currently he's on with the Osmonds on their Europe tour, doing another behind the scenes book |
| 16:53.32 | maquis | wow |
| 16:53.35 | maquis | nice pics |
| 16:53.38 | levi | Jayce: Actually, I was thinking of the Nikon D40, not the Canon 40d. |
| 16:54.05 | nick125_1ee | maquis: The XTi has a better AF, sensor cleaning, higher resolution (doesn't matter much), a consolidated screen, and it can take more shots in continous mode. |
| 16:54.22 | maquis | nick125_1ee: yeah |
| 16:54.31 | maquis | it comes in the matte black, right? |
| 16:54.36 | nick125_1ee | maquis: right |
| 16:54.41 | nick125_1ee | It also comes in silver, I believe |
| 16:54.42 | maquis | i don't like the silver dslrs... they look ugly :) |
| 16:54.48 | Jayce | levi, ahh. |
| 16:55.05 | Jayce | I know enough to care, but not nearly to the level people like him go to... |
| 16:55.19 | nick125_1ee | maquis: I'd suggest you get a Speedlite if you plan on doing a lot of indoor photography. |
| 16:55.21 | Jayce | he is with Photo's as I am with my paintball equipment/guns :) |
| 16:55.32 | Jayce | anybody here do the Utah photowalking? |
| 16:55.42 | maquis | nick125_1ee: speedlite? |
| 16:55.47 | nick125_1ee | I personally like the consolidated screen in the XTi over the split screen on the XT. |
| 16:55.51 | nick125_1ee | maquis: external flash unit |
| 16:55.56 | levi | Jayce: Does he do much Photoshop postprocessing on his shots? |
| 16:56.05 | maquis | eventually i'll probably do indoor photography eventually, but for now i do mostly outdoor with my powershot |
| 16:56.21 | nick125_1ee | You can adjust it to bounce the light off of the ceiling, which gets rid of shadows and not have the harsh light that you get with the internal flash. |
| 16:56.29 | maquis | ah. that's nice |
| 16:56.31 | levi | maquis: DSLRs are great for indoor photography, since you can get wide-aperture lenses. |
| 16:56.40 | maquis | levi: that makes sense |
| 16:57.32 | Jayce | levi, depends on the shot/requirements.. sometimes a lot, sometimes very little. |
| 16:58.09 | Jayce | check out his photoshop fun set for examples in the extreme |
| 16:58.19 | levi | I'm anxious to get a 40mm f/1.4 lens. |
| 16:58.22 | nick125_1ee | I think some of the nikons can do higher ISOs than the Canons, but you usually don't want to do that. |
| 16:59.39 | nick125_1ee | I've heard decent things about the Pentax DSLRs, but I ultimately decided against it for some reason...I forget what. |
| 16:59.41 | levi | Wide apertures also give you narrow depth-of-field, which can be useful. |
| 17:00.05 | maquis | my current camera is a canon, and i've had very good experiences with it |
| 17:00.13 | nick125_1ee | Some people don't like the feel of the Canon, so I'd suggest you try one out at a store. |
| 17:00.14 | maquis | so... :) |
| 17:00.26 | levi | nick125_1ee: They're a lot less common these days, so getting stuff from local stores is harder. |
| 17:00.35 | maquis | from what i've seen, it's also a bit smaller than some of the other dslrs |
| 17:01.23 | levi | maquis: Most of the camera companies have a smaller consumer-level DSLR than their pro models. |
| 17:02.15 | Jayce | levi, yeah, my bro has a few newer lenses he's been playing with for different shots. including that big one he's caressing in his photo :) |
| 17:02.27 | levi | maquis: I'd shop around; all of the makers have good cameras, so you should shop by the features that you need, not just by brand. |
| 17:02.42 | Jayce | for the concert tour he has two 40d frames he's carrying, with different lenses.. |
| 17:07.45 | levi | A lot of his shots have some vignetting, and I figured he must have added it in post-processing. |
| 17:08.31 | levi | He also seems to do some color manipulation occasionally. |
| 17:08.36 | levi | Good stuff. |
| 17:13.40 | levi | Jayce: He sure gets invited to post his photos to a lot of groups. |
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| 17:18.34 | Jayce | hehe, yeah |
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| 17:49.06 | findlay | ~xbmodder |
| 17:49.06 | ibot | well, xbmodder is sargun |
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| 18:21.41 | bbeattie | anyone know of a good web photo gallery to not only store albums but also lets you crop/remove red eye etc? Just looking for something I can toss on my server for family pictures... |
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| 18:26.57 | levi | Man, I hate ADSL upload speeds. :/ |
| 18:27.01 | jsmith | bbeattie: I'm not sure about the photo editing, but gallery2 is a fairly decent open source photo gallery program |
| 18:32.35 | bbeattie | thanks, that works well, no red-eye though. |
| 18:37.02 | nick125 | levi: It could be worse. |
| 18:37.17 | nick125 | I mean, it could be Cable upload speeds. |
| 18:56.36 | jnbek | nick125: EEWWW!!! |
| 18:56.47 | jnbek | feels all dirty after reading that |
| 18:57.05 | harleypig | I'm gonna hunt him down and make him read his own damn code! |
| 18:57.25 | harleypig | *THEN* I'm gonna make him drink hyrdroflouric acid |
| 18:57.49 | harleypig | ummm ... |
| 18:58.00 | harleypig | wrong window ... but I don't care anymore. |
| 18:58.26 | jnbek | hehe :) |
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| 19:16.57 | Tene | ~nick125 nick125 |
| 19:16.58 | ibot | ACTION puts nick125 on a VPS with 32MB of ram and makes nick125 use Gentoo on there. |
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| 19:31.05 | xbmodder_ | harleypig, haha |
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| 19:35.47 | levi | harleypig: Dealing with someone else's perl code, eh? :P |
| 19:52.14 | Jayce | levi, I've seen it, the person shoudl be shot.. |
| 19:52.14 | elg | flippin hack |
| 19:52.27 | elg | so mythfrontend doesn't accept lirc events unless it has focus |
| 19:52.32 | Jayce | layers of javascript calling perl calling javascript calling perl to return html |
| 19:52.49 | findlay | haha |
| 19:53.32 | vontrapp | elg: that's so it doesn't do stuff with remote events when mplayer is playing |
| 19:53.44 | elg | that's the stupidest excuse I've ever heard |
| 19:53.49 | elg | that's why lircrc has the prog line |
| 19:53.54 | vontrapp | it may be lame, but that's the reason |
| 19:54.15 | elg | that makes it completely useless on a second screen |
| 19:54.41 | Sargun | We have MapReduce written in Perl. |
| 19:54.47 | vontrapp | elg: agreed |
| 19:55.05 | elg | myth continues to amaze me in its stupidity |
| 19:55.12 | vontrapp | they should have simply had it launch a secondary program and not do anything until that child process returned |
| 19:55.26 | vontrapp | simple, effective |
| 19:55.29 | elg | what's most amazing is that this bunch of monkeys managed to write something that works at all |
| 19:55.49 | findlay | try freevo |
| 19:55.55 | vontrapp | what's more amazing is that there's nothing better |
| 19:56.00 | vontrapp | comparable, yes, but not better |
| 19:56.13 | findlay | ~better |
| 19:56.14 | ibot | hmm... better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 19:56.21 | findlay | hee |
| 19:56.30 | elg | freevo is a possible option, but I'd have to hack together the hdhomerun to work with it |
| 19:56.41 | elg | which should be relatively easy but not easy |
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| 20:02.06 | vontrapp | dallin! |
| 20:02.08 | vontrapp | ~lart squitoey |
| 20:02.08 | ibot | blasts squitoey to oblivion with a kamehameha wave |
| 20:02.26 | squitoey | Yes? |
| 20:03.17 | vontrapp | just haven't seen you in forever |
| 20:04.36 | squitoey | I keep forgetting to check in and see how things are... So I thought I would visit see how things are. |
| 20:05.19 | findlay | things are awful, thanks for asking |
| 20:05.33 | elg | mythtv-users jerk: "can hardly be called a bug if it's intended behaviour :)" |
| 20:06.21 | findlay | one man's intended behavior is another man's junk |
| 20:09.37 | Tene | http://www.terrybisson.com/meat.html |
| 20:09.41 | brac | [meat.rtf] |
| 20:11.39 | findlay | ~contradict Tene |
| 20:16.05 | ^Migs^ | http://arstechnica.com/journals/thumbs.ars/2008/05/20/new-urinal-video-games-launched-in-belgium-by-beer-fans |
| 20:16.12 | ^Migs^ | As if peeing into a urinal wasn't fun enough already, it's now possible to play video games while doing so. Two men in Belgium (the home of the world's greatest beers) have unveiled Place to Pee, a video game that relies on players hitting sensors in urinals to control game play. |
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| 20:24.11 | RyanE | elg: if the telnet interface to Myth worked without crashing, you could have lirc fire those instead... |
| 20:27.23 | elg | there's an idea |
| 20:27.30 | elg | i haven't tried it - does it crash in 0.21? |
| 20:29.47 | tensai | compresses elg with StuffIt |
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| 20:36.55 | Jayce | tensai++ |
| 20:44.55 | Jayce | ~lart twitter's lack of stability |
| 20:44.55 | ibot | moos at twitter's lack of stability |
| 20:45.04 | RyanE | elg: it crashes when I go into the setup/video manager, other times it doesn't crash. |
| 20:45.19 | RyanE | it's improved from .19, but still not that great for some reason. |
| 20:45.45 | RyanE | It works better than my http server -> send X keystrokes did. |
| 20:50.03 | sjansen | hugs all the shiny happy people |
| 21:04.13 | levi | Speaking of mythtv issues, mine stops recording sound in the middle of programs sometimes. |
| 21:04.32 | levi | Fortunately they're mostly worthless reality TV shows, but it makes my wife unhappy. |
| 21:05.02 | RyanE | levi: what's your capture setup? |
| 21:05.14 | tensai | mine's been working pretty well. it's just too noisy. |
| 21:05.48 | levi | RyanE: hdhomerun |
| 21:06.23 | levi | I can watch via VLC and get the sound fine, so I don't think it's the hdhomerun's fault. |
| 21:07.34 | tensai | levi: cuts out or stops completely? |
| 21:07.35 | findlay | how did you get a wife though, did she come preinstalled with mythtv? |
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| 21:07.47 | levi | tensai: Stops completely. |
| 21:08.08 | elg | odd |
| 21:08.09 | levi | There will be audio for 3/4 of the show, and then it stops and there's no more audio at all. |
| 21:09.02 | tensai | but not the video? that's pretty weird. |
| 21:09.26 | elg | transcoding? |
| 21:09.26 | levi | Indeed, it's pretty weird. |
| 21:09.31 | levi | No transcoding. |
| 21:10.26 | elg | what if you play the file directly with mplayer? |
| 21:10.36 | levi | Haven't tried that one. |
| 21:10.36 | elg | or is tat what you mean via vlc? |
| 21:10.43 | elg | not live, but the recorded file |
| 21:10.58 | levi | No, I was doing vlc live, I haven't tried playing the recorded file with another player. |
| 21:10.59 | elg | that will tell you if the audio was there and was/is corrupted by myth or if it's a broadcast or hdhr prob |
| 21:11.04 | levi | My wife would delete them before I got a chance. |
| 21:11.41 | elg | well cant really be hdhr's fault. it doesn't process the stream |
| 21:12.07 | levi | Yeah. |
| 21:12.17 | levi | I need to upgrade my mythtv, but I'm afraid to. :) |
| 21:12.53 | RyanE | aren't we all. :) |
| 21:15.10 | nick125 | Sargun: Are you alive? |
| 21:23.06 | fozzmoo | Sargun: Or are you... not? |
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| 21:23.55 | findlay | ~pong Sargun |
| 21:23.55 | ibot | Sargun: PONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 21:24.01 | findlay | ~wake Sargun |
| 21:24.02 | ibot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on Sargun and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
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| 22:02.29 | encryptz | http://digg.com/microsoft/Don_t_give_Microsoft_the_remote_control_fight_against_DRM |
| 22:03.25 | findlay | ~haha microsoft |
| 22:03.26 | ibot | ACTION beats microsoft about the head with the ha ha bat |
| 22:04.03 | levi | So, I wonder how well SageTV works. |
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| 22:10.09 | elg | i was wondering the same thing |
| 22:10.35 | levi | Apparently only the 'place shifter' component runs in Linux, though. |
| 22:11.11 | levi | But running it in Windows would give the advantage of nVidia's hardware acceleration for hd video. |
| 22:11.29 | findlay | and all those disadvantages of running windows :) |
| 22:11.40 | levi | Such as? |
| 22:11.49 | findlay | um, windows? |
| 22:12.18 | findlay | malware, wga, AV, etc. |
| 22:12.33 | levi | Sorry, you'll have to be more specific. I'm running it right now, and it's working just fine. |
| 22:13.07 | findlay | well if that payload is transparent enough for you that you're not bothered by it, they go ahead and run windows with vigor |
| 22:13.36 | sinuhe | findlay: DRM... |
| 22:13.41 | sinuhe | shudders |
| 22:13.43 | findlay | yeah, that too |
| 22:13.54 | findlay | TPM |
| 22:14.20 | findlay | Microsoft's voluntary compliance with the broadcast flag |
| 22:14.31 | levi | You seem to be intentionally overlooking the fact that most of those objections don't apply at all when you're using Windows to run a single program. |
| 22:15.03 | findlay | well I wouldn't even use windows for that |
| 22:15.11 | levi | And the fact remains that nVidia's hd video acceleration is only available in Windows. |
| 22:15.27 | sinuhe | I heard recently that Microsoft is disabling Media Center functionality that allows you to save TV programs from some broadcasters, such as NBC. They claim it's an FCC reg, but they must know the Supreme Court ruled FCC as powerless in the face of fair use rulings on this topic. |
| 22:15.35 | elg | but another video card is cheaper than sagetv and would simplify myth enough |
| 22:15.40 | levi | sinuhe: Yes, well, I wouldn't be using Media Center. |
| 22:15.41 | elg | (my situation) |
| 22:16.02 | levi | Nor would I be using Vista. |
| 22:16.12 | findlay | I don't see why my objections->disadvantages should be invalidated whether you're running one or 100 programs |
| 22:16.34 | sinuhe | I think at this point the use of Windows should be boycotted, (not that I haven't thought that for awhile). |
| 22:17.20 | levi | findlay: They're not practical objections, they're based on your dislike of peripheral stuff that wouldn't be issues for my particular usage. |
| 22:18.06 | findlay | levi: well, as I said before, go ahead and use windows if that doesn't bother you :) |
| 22:19.19 | levi | Gee, the Free Software zealots want to boycott Windows. Color me surprised! |
| 22:19.24 | elg | if i were to dedicate an entire computer to the sole purpose of playing media, i'd probably go with the apple one or a tivo |
| 22:19.33 | unum | sinuhe: media center recognize the broadcast flag that the broadcasters are using |
| 22:19.41 | elg | what did beandog say, ~$400? $600? |
| 22:20.00 | tensai | elg: 600 iirc |
| 22:20.19 | levi | I don't remember, but it sounded reasonable to me considering the cost of an hd-capable MythTV box. |
| 22:20.21 | elg | easily comparable to a new computer |
| 22:20.35 | elg | if you're gonna be a cheapskate, go all the way, like me ;-) |
| 22:21.07 | levi | I don't think it was available when I put together my Myth box. |
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| 22:21.27 | tensai | elg: it's not just the tv though. I can do a lot of other fun things with my myth box. |
| 22:24.58 | sinuhe | Unum: free software would allow for disabling recognition of the broadcast flag. Microsoft's lack of disabling of the recognition is the problem. |
| 22:26.08 | squitoey | Maybe that is just a crappy developer (doesn't know how to make it do that). |
| 22:26.21 | squitoey | It is M$ we are talking about |
| 22:26.50 | sinuhe | squitoey: Let's write Microsoft, and ask them to add a feature to disable the broadcast flag. I'm sure that will go over like a ton of bricks. |
| 22:27.37 | sinuhe | As to MS and crappy developers, they have the best developers in the world. That's not the problem. |
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| 22:43.54 | decriptor | anyone from utah county going to SLLUG tonight? |
| 22:44.29 | unum | forgot that was tonight |
| 22:44.37 | unum | darn |
| 22:44.54 | keldwud | I'll hopefully be to vegas by then |
| 22:44.56 | decriptor | OBS looks really cool, I was hoping to go, but wanted to car pool |
| 22:45.06 | levi | What's OBS? |
| 22:45.06 | keldwud | but it is getting late so I will not be back to utah till tomorrow |
| 22:46.12 | decriptor | levi: Opensuse Build Service |
| 22:46.26 | levi | Oh, yeah, that is kind of cool. |
| 22:46.44 | decriptor | its an online opensuse/sles/fedora/ubuntu/mandriva build environment |
| 22:46.54 | findlay | don't you love it when some project uses an ordinary word and then hijacks the top 5 google hits on that word? |
| 22:47.01 | keldwud | rolls out like the autobots on his motorcycle, leaving North Hollywood in order to get back to Utah |
| 22:47.02 | decriptor | it lauches a XEN box for the build and then kills itself |
| 22:47.17 | levi | We used it a bit at Linux Networx, but the guys running it had it in a virtual machine that was pretty loaded, and it was as slow as molasses. |
| 22:47.36 | keldwud | slow as your -what- is? |
| 22:47.50 | decriptor | levi: this is pretty fast once you get a slot (and even then not too bad) |
| 22:48.11 | levi | decriptor: Is 'get a slot' some Xen terminology? |
| 22:48.17 | decriptor | no |
| 22:48.31 | decriptor | levi: a slot as in time |
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| 22:48.36 | levi | Oh. |
| 22:48.41 | decriptor | you have to take turns :( |
| 22:48.49 | levi | Well, anyway, they've probably improved it since I attempted to use it. |
| 22:49.08 | decriptor | I used it a couple weeks ago. I was pretty impressed |
| 22:49.29 | vontrapp | wives and their reality shows :/ |
| 22:49.31 | levi | The concept was certainly slick, it was just the particular implementation I used that was lacking, and I'm not sure how much of that was the box it was running on and how much was the actual software. |
| 22:49.38 | vontrapp | levi: i watch hdtv on my laptop no problem |
| 22:49.44 | vontrapp | it has an nvidia card |
| 22:50.07 | levi | vontrapp: Sure, a fast enough CPU can decode HD video just fine. |
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| 22:50.21 | vontrapp | my laptop is over 4 years old |
| 22:50.46 | levi | vontrapp: That doesn't invalidate my statement. |
| 22:51.25 | levi | CPUs have been fast enough for a while. |
| 22:51.52 | levi | Nevertheless, offloading video decoding to the video card is a good thing. |
| 22:52.29 | vontrapp | yeah, it's good, but not good enough to use windows |
| 22:52.35 | vontrapp | :p |
| 22:54.13 | vontrapp | oh yeah, and RyanE, i haven't had any problems with mythtv telnet interface crashing |
| 22:54.47 | levi | It comes down to the fact that you can get a HD player with a lower total hardware cost if you can use the video decoding hardware built into modern nVidia chips. If I already have a Windows license, it becomes a very pragmatic option if I don't have any silly Free Software zealotry holding me back. |
| 22:54.48 | vontrapp | but i only use it for listing upcoming recordings, almost expiring and free space information |
| 22:55.35 | vontrapp | then agian, i have it wrapped in a rescue that re-establishes a connection to the backend |
| 22:55.59 | vontrapp | thought i was just being prudent but maybe it helps me a lot |
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| 22:56.46 | vontrapp | the real question is, why don't the linux nvidia drivers do it? |
| 22:56.59 | levi | Because nVidia is lame that way, I guess. |
| 22:57.20 | vontrapp | ~shoot nvidia |
| 22:57.20 | ibot | ACTION shoots nvidia in the head with a phase pistol! |
| 22:57.51 | vontrapp | and the big, big coo would not stand STILL! |
| 22:58.21 | levi | Theoretically, you could write an open-source decoder in CUDA, but I don't think any onboard nVidia chips support CUDA at this point. |
| 23:00.44 | vontrapp | maybe it's just a matter of the software not giving the stream to the vid card to decode? |
| 23:01.18 | levi | I think it may be a matter of not having that API exposed in the Linux driver. |
| 23:01.58 | levi | I don't think it's a full decoder, I think it's a bunch of routines necessary for decoding that you can offload to the GPU. |
| 23:02.12 | levi | But I don't really know for sure. |
| 23:05.15 | Dew420 | ugh. not enough sleep |
| 23:05.28 | Dew420 | stupid dad..wake me up 2 horus after I go to sleep "want ajob?" lol. |
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| 23:13.00 | encryptz | sinuhe: syn |
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| 23:15.04 | sinuhe | encryptz: syn? |
| 23:15.15 | encryptz | ack. ack! :) |
| 23:16.45 | sinuhe | ack I understand, syn I don't. |
| 23:16.54 | sinuhe | needs an acronym dictionary |
| 23:18.35 | RyanE | vontrapp: my telnet interface code is also wrapped in re-connect, but that doesn't help when the frontend outright *crashes*... |
| 23:18.44 | encryptz | sinuhe: i sent you a pm, but you may not be registered, so... :) |
| 23:23.02 | sinuhe | I'm registered. I used to run the gnu-webmasters chat. Alas, no more. |
| 23:23.02 | sinuhe | (pm: private message. Gotcha.) Evil acronyms! |
| 23:23.45 | maquis | i'm hungry |
| 23:25.58 | vontrapp | RyanE: you mean the backend crashes? or the frontent (your telnet code) crashes? |
| 23:26.29 | vontrapp | or... are you talking about the "remote control" interface? |
| 23:26.50 | vontrapp | uhuh, that makes more sense |
| 23:26.52 | vontrapp | carry on then |
| 23:27.09 | vontrapp | i was thinking the interface on port 6543 |
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