| 00:01.03 | Dew420 | heh |
| 00:01.26 | Dew420 | gotta love when you help someone with a easy problem, they start giving you webhosting and domains |
| 00:01.54 | nick125 | lol |
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| 01:52.12 | levi | This video is awesome: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFsCRzMmdIw |
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| 02:24.58 | elg | heh |
| 02:25.13 | elg | be sure and read the more info |
| 02:25.19 | elg | "Whilst being off work I have dedicated all my time to building 'The Tunstallator'. It has brought me many hundreds of hours pleasure and is my beacon of light in the misty sea of this foggy life as I float near the shore of hope with the anchor of guilt on my stern." |
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| 03:19.35 | goozbach | fozzmoo: you should watch this: http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/fin/gizmodo-psa-contest-game-over-man-game-over-257114.php |
| 03:19.43 | goozbach | looks like something you would do. |
| 03:21.36 | fozzmoo | thanks. |
| 03:22.29 | lakshmi | hey fozzmoo |
| 03:30.47 | findlay | hey lakshmi |
| 03:31.21 | lakshmi | hi findlay |
| 03:33.36 | fozzmoo | Okay. |
| 03:33.47 | fozzmoo | I just added that political compass thing to my website. |
| 03:33.55 | fozzmoo | No, I mean to my Facebook profile. |
| 03:37.18 | fozzmoo | goozbach: That PSA was alright. |
| 03:37.39 | fozzmoo | Too bad they didn't have a guy who looked like Grizzly Adams sitting in a computer boneyard. |
| 03:38.09 | fozzmoo | "We can't save them all, but for pennies a day, you could make a difference in the life of one of these gadgets." |
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| 03:44.17 | goozbach | fozzmoo: I figured you would be able to do it better. |
| 03:44.33 | fozzmoo | :-D |
| 03:48.32 | findlay | ~do it better |
| 03:48.32 | ibot | ACTION does it better. |
| 03:51.42 | goozbach | ~doit doit doit |
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| 05:04.17 | Supaplex | anyone want a 17" flat screen for free? |
| 05:04.48 | Lone_Wanderer | Yes. |
| 05:04.51 | Supaplex | http://tokyo.craigslist.jp/zip/686615145.html |
| 05:05.03 | Lone_Wanderer | Sweet. |
| 05:08.33 | elg | free. just trot over to japan and pick it up? |
| 05:09.38 | Supaplex | yup |
| 05:16.44 | bonez45 | herlo: running etch |
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| 05:42.01 | Supaplex | I don't get why people outbid you when it's cheaper to buy some other buy it now item. :p |
| 05:43.01 | Lone_Wanderer | Because they're stupid, clearly. |
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| 15:25.26 | elg | -chat |
| 15:25.31 | brac | "you're still here? |
| 15:25.32 | elg | -chat if only |
| 15:25.32 | brac | if only we didn't need (like error checking :-) |
| 15:25.39 | elg | if only |
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| 15:30.47 | findlay | -chat Because |
| 15:30.49 | brac | Because was |
| 15:32.21 | unum | steve novick may get the democratic nomination for us senator from oregon |
| 15:33.18 | levi | And that would be significant because...? |
| 15:35.03 | unum | there was a /. blurb about him so I thought some of you may have read |
| 15:35.09 | unum | I didn't think he had a chance at the time |
| 15:35.24 | unum | he's 4'9" and was born with out a left hand |
| 15:42.30 | levi | Huh, interesting. |
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| 16:42.50 | brasto | brings up an old and common topic |
| 16:43.07 | brasto | what do some of you recommend for a laptop with Linux? |
| 16:45.03 | decriptor | brasto: thinkpad |
| 16:45.10 | findlay | epc |
| 16:45.13 | brasto | folks here at guru labs (now my co-workers) recommend a thinkpad |
| 16:45.25 | brasto | ~epc |
| 16:45.48 | findlay | 3epc |
| 16:45.57 | brasto | ~3epc |
| 16:46.14 | findlay | eeepc |
| 16:46.29 | decriptor | brasto: thinkpads are great laptops, 3epc is a portable mini notebook/large pda :P |
| 16:46.44 | brasto | findlay: is epc the manufacturer, make, or model? |
| 16:46.51 | brasto | oh... nm, findlay |
| 16:46.54 | decriptor | brasto: its an asus |
| 16:47.20 | findlay | I got it because it didn't come with the microsoft tax |
| 16:47.42 | decriptor | findlay: I don't know that you will have that problem with the thinkpads |
| 16:47.53 | findlay | decriptor: really> |
| 16:47.57 | findlay | s/>/?/ |
| 16:48.18 | brasto | ~eeepc |
| 16:48.21 | decriptor | findlay: pretty sure, they have a big partnership with novell to ship SLED |
| 16:48.38 | brasto | ~wiki eeepc |
| 16:49.04 | decriptor | brasto: what do you plan on doing with the laptop |
| 16:49.57 | brasto | teaching linux, open office, chat |
| 16:50.21 | decriptor | brasto: you shouls talk to herlo since he has both |
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| 16:50.40 | brasto | thinks herlo is away for another week |
| 16:50.49 | decriptor | he's online though |
| 16:51.01 | findlay | ugh, openoffice |
| 16:51.25 | brasto | findlay: OpenOffice is Suite (pun intended) |
| 16:52.36 | findlay | don't know why microsoft had to go and do their own office. If openoffice isn't Enterprise enough for microsoft, then they must be amazingly grotesque |
| 16:53.21 | findlay | brasto: openoffice ships with it's own copy of stlport, boost, python, freetype, glibc, etc. |
| 16:53.37 | findlay | it's a fine example of Enterprise |
| 16:54.08 | brasto | enterprise? the space ship in Star Trek? |
| 16:54.09 | findlay | a set of programs developed in the classic proprietary manner that happens to be open source |
| 16:54.40 | findlay | s/classic/classic monolithic/ |
| 16:55.41 | brasto | sometimes you have to do someething like that to make it usable for a large populace that may not have those components installed separately. |
| 16:56.09 | findlay | brasto: that's what a package manager is for :) |
| 16:56.23 | brasto | right, for Linux users |
| 16:56.47 | brasto | or Unix/BSD |
| 16:57.09 | findlay | fine if they want to roll all that bundle of stuff into the windows version, but doing so on a platform where a mature package management system already exists is inconsiderate |
| 16:57.34 | brasto | but say "package manager" to a Windows user, and they look at you with a blank, uncomprehending stare. |
| 16:58.32 | findlay | inconsiterate and lazy, IMO |
| 16:58.53 | findlay | or the code base is so large that it's fragile |
| 16:59.00 | findlay | or they use that as an excuse |
| 16:59.05 | brasto | i see your point, though findlay, in fairness |
| 16:59.22 | brasto | s/, in fairness// |
| 16:59.52 | brasto | move that comma one more word to the right |
| 17:00.35 | fozzmoo | jsmith: ping |
| 17:00.46 | findlay | I guess most users don't worry about stuff like that except package maintainers |
| 17:55.36 | findlay | stupid windows |
| 17:55.43 | findlay | it has to make everything hard |
| 18:05.33 | herlo | brasto: but I'm online |
| 18:05.43 | findlay | regex question |
| 18:06.43 | findlay | if I have m/(herlo|brasto)/ will the parens used in the expression capture? |
| 18:07.55 | Tene | Yes. |
| 18:08.10 | Tene | (?: ... ) is the non-capturing version, iirc. |
| 18:08.44 | findlay | right, but I'm wondering if the (<a>|<b>) is a special use of parenthesis |
| 18:08.52 | Tene | It isn't. |
| 18:09.29 | findlay | as if capturing by accident |
| 18:10.42 | Tene | eh? |
| 18:11.09 | Tene | No, parens always capture. pcre doesn't have separate non-capturing grouping. |
| 18:11.12 | findlay | Tene: but you can't otherwise limit the arguments used by the | character |
| 18:11.18 | Tene | Perl 6 rules do, though. |
| 18:11.29 | findlay | k |
| 18:11.52 | Tene | findlay: /foo|bar/ doesn't need parens. |
| 18:11.53 | findlay | mm, perl6 |
| 18:12.13 | findlay | Tene: yes, but suppose you wanted /foo|bar-baz/ |
| 18:12.24 | findlay | you couldn't match foo-baz with that |
| 18:12.33 | Tene | Nope. |
| 18:12.39 | findlay | there's no way for | to know what you wanted in that case |
| 18:12.56 | findlay | thus the (|) expression |
| 18:13.09 | Tene | So you just deal with it or you use (?:foo|bar)-baz |
| 18:13.23 | findlay | why does life have to be so hard? |
| 18:13.31 | Tene | findlay: if that were the case, what would you suggest would be used to capture an alternation? |
| 18:13.35 | Tene | ((.|.)) ? |
| 18:13.42 | Tene | That would be absurd. |
| 18:13.55 | findlay | indeed |
| 18:13.57 | Tene | And would you suggest that parens suddenly stop capturing whenever anyone added an alternation to them? |
| 18:14.04 | findlay | I'm just exploring the issue |
| 18:14.27 | Tene | Or would there be some sort of complicated heuristic based on complexity of the sides of the alternation, such that they stop capturing when they drop too low in complexity? |
| 18:14.38 | Tene | Oh, okay. I'm not sure what that means here. |
| 18:14.43 | Tene | I think I might be confused. |
| 18:14.59 | findlay | Tene: or you could use different delimiters for | |
| 18:15.30 | findlay | but with regexs pretty much all characters are used for something |
| 18:15.45 | Tene | yeah, Perl 6 uses [] for non-capturing grouping. |
| 18:16.23 | findlay | what does it use for char classes then? |
| 18:16.58 | Tene | <[ ]> |
| 18:17.11 | findlay | interesting |
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| 18:18.19 | Tene | Which fits in well with the rest of the syntax. |
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| 18:27.40 | *** topic/#utah by elg -> http://plug.org/irc | Channel log @ http://ibot.rikers.org/%23utah/ | UTOSC 2008 Call for Papers @http://2008.utosc.com | tensai has a new daughter - Congratulations! | elg is now officially a PhD Candidate. What is this world coming to? |
| 18:35.49 | herlo | I'm looking for a lightweight gui email client. While I love tbird, its a bit much for the eee pc |
| 18:35.54 | herlo | any suggestions? |
| 18:36.07 | sinuhe | herlo: balsa |
| 18:50.50 | encryptz | herlo: mutt |
| 18:51.13 | brasto | herlo: pine |
| 18:51.22 | brasto | :) |
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| 18:53.12 | encryptz | herlo: and, hopefully, you're running fluxbox on your eee, not gnome. ã |
| 18:56.08 | nick125 | pets fluxbox |
| 18:57.21 | nick125 | encryptz: the eee comes with KDE as the advanced desktop by default. heh |
| 18:58.08 | encryptz | fluxbox: for those who enjoy "config it" |
| 19:00.26 | nick125 | Gnome/KDE: for those who want point-and-drool |
| 19:01.13 | elg | fvwm: for those who like the early 90s look |
| 19:01.27 | brasto | herlo, we b co-workers now |
| 19:01.55 | findlay | and e ftw! |
| 19:02.13 | encryptz | findlay: 16 or 16.9999999? |
| 19:02.20 | findlay | dr17 |
| 19:02.35 | encryptz | 16.999999... that's what i thought |
| 19:02.43 | nick125 | e16 was...meh |
| 19:02.49 | findlay | 16 is just plain annoying |
| 19:02.53 | findlay | s/is/was/ |
| 19:03.09 | nick125 | e17 is nice, if you like stuff that doesn't work or crashes often (but, that's expected for a DR) |
| 19:03.10 | findlay | 17 with a decent theme and keybindings is just what I need |
| 19:03.40 | findlay | no more no less |
| 19:03.53 | nick125 | I *like* e17, I just wish it was more stable and actually have decent themes. |
| 19:03.53 | findlay | fb was unfortunately less than what I wanted |
| 19:04.11 | findlay | clearlooks is the only one I can stand |
| 19:04.31 | nick125 | screenie? |
| 19:04.38 | findlay | haven't seen that one |
| 19:11.40 | herlo | brasto: w00t! |
| 19:12.07 | herlo | sinuhe: encryptz brasto: GUI!!! |
| 19:12.32 | herlo | encryptz: I run gnome, but I'd try fluxbox |
| 19:14.35 | findlay | gewy |
| 19:14.48 | brasto | gu? |
| 19:14.51 | brasto | ~gu |
| 19:14.52 | ibot | gu is probably Guam |
| 19:15.09 | brasto | ? |
| 19:17.06 | brasto | rpm -qa | less |
| 19:17.09 | brasto | doh |
| 19:17.12 | brasto | wrong window |
| 19:17.36 | brasto | gotta go, so's not to be distracted during class... |
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| 19:18.02 | neybar | I really miss focus follows mouse on OSX... what were they thinking when they left that out? |
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| 19:45.46 | maquis | neybar: is there a hack someplace for it? |
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| 19:53.03 | ^Migs^ | just got back from the Microsoft Product Launch in SLC |
| 19:53.07 | ^Migs^ | they gave all sorts of swag |
| 19:53.20 | maquis | such as? |
| 19:53.42 | ^Migs^ | Server 2008, SQL Server 2008, Visual Studio 2008, Vista Ultimate, Windows Mobile... |
| 19:53.50 | maquis | hmmm.. |
| 19:53.58 | ^Migs^ | and more free pens than I could carry. Plus these nifty bags with a thermos built into the lower half |
| 19:53.59 | maquis | i don't have any interest in that swag... |
| 19:54.15 | maquis | my friend keeps offering me a free copy of vista (he works for m$) |
| 19:54.22 | rsimpkins | herlo: Jay from MySQL doesn't have your contact info. Who should he e-mail to work out the sponsorship details? |
| 19:54.24 | ^Migs^ | I don't necessarily either, but it was free |
| 19:55.15 | herlo | rsimpkins: decriptor@utos.org works |
| 19:55.34 | rsimpkins | herlo: Are you the contact name then? |
| 19:55.45 | herlo | no, Stephen Shaw is |
| 19:56.00 | herlo | rsimpkins: but, you can just point him to the sponsorship docs if you like |
| 19:56.06 | ^Migs^ | this product launch has the retardingest name, though: Heroes Happen Here |
| 19:56.09 | herlo | http://www.utosc.com/08/pdfs |
| 19:56.13 | ^Migs^ | I wonder what marketing moron got paid 6 figures to come up with that |
| 19:56.14 | rsimpkins | herlo: Thanks. |
| 19:56.19 | herlo | np |
| 19:56.26 | ^Migs^ | I went into the trade show a lowly developer, and emerged a HERO! |
| 19:56.33 | herlo | rsimpkins: there's a prospectus and a sponsorship level there... |
| 19:57.31 | rsimpkins | ^Migs^: For short: HE HA HE |
| 19:57.41 | rsimpkins | Laughing all the way to the bank. |
| 20:01.10 | ^Migs^ | hahaha |
| 20:02.53 | levi | neybar: Did you miss Steve Yegge's rant on that? |
| 20:06.05 | neybar | no, I caught it. I just raised it's head again for me. |
| 20:06.51 | levi | It's not so much that they 'missed' it, but that it's fundamentally incompatible with the OS X GUI philosophy. |
| 20:07.05 | levi | Primarily with the 'menu on the top of the screen' bit. |
| 20:08.03 | neybar | I know. That's no excuse though. I want my focus :) |
| 20:08.23 | levi | I missed it for a while, but I don't anymore. |
| 20:09.07 | neybar | although I think I'm evolving. I don't want focus follow mouse anymore, I need focus follows eyes. I get burnt by that all the time. |
| 20:09.19 | levi | Since Linux is the only platform I use that supports it, and I use OS X and Windows at least as much, I figured it was more prudent to change my habits. |
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| 21:28.20 | elg | mrpull: i just tried playing hd with the athlon 2800+ using mythfrontend (probably with Xv but not XvMC) and it failed |
| 21:31.25 | elg | mrpull: I *think* it was 12098 kb/s mpeg2 1080i |
| 21:31.56 | elg | and now, to put in my new video card! |
| 21:55.27 | elg | anyone know anything about agp settings? aperture size, fast write, etc? While I'm in the BIOS I might as well check them |
| 21:59.21 | levi | Alas, no. |
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| 22:06.26 | maquis | hey! that's cool |
| 22:06.54 | Sargun | ....... |
| 22:07.10 | elg | ~dot sargun |
| 22:07.55 | Sargun | digraphs galore! |
| 22:10.03 | Dew420 | o.O |
| 22:10.20 | Dew420 | evening/afternoon |
| 22:10.33 | Sargun | heya Dew420 |
| 22:10.35 | Sargun | what's up |
| 22:10.36 | levi | Cool, SATA PCI cards are cheap. |
| 22:10.38 | Sargun | its afternoon. |
| 22:10.43 | Sargun | levi, always. |
| 22:10.51 | levi | I think I'm going to need one to bring my server hardware to life. |
| 22:10.58 | Sargun | like $20 for a dual port SATA card. |
| 22:11.11 | levi | PCI-X SATA-II cards are not cheap, though. |
| 22:11.13 | elg | i have one that has worked great |
| 22:11.22 | Sargun | no, no they are not |
| 22:11.33 | Dew420 | nothing much up here, how about you? |
| 22:11.37 | Sargun | A lot of the cheap ones are terrible thoguh |
| 22:12.19 | levi | I don't think the drive I'm going to swap is SATA-II, though, so I won't need a fancy PCI-X SATA-II card. |
| 22:14.46 | nick125 | SATA-II drives will work with SATA I, anyways. |
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| 22:15.20 | levi | I assumed so, but I'd prefer the greater speed if I had it available. |
| 22:16.23 | nick125 | levi: The drives aren't going to hit SATA-150 speeds, let alone SATA-300. |
| 22:17.13 | levi | That's a good point. |
| 22:17.40 | levi | If I had been planning to buy a multi-hundred dollar card, I wouldn't be anymore. |
| 22:18.29 | nick125 | I didn't think SATA-300 cards were that expensive. |
| 22:18.46 | findlay | heh, so whenever I search for movies in Provo and then sort by 'theater distance' it always brings up listings for some theater in Miami Florida |
| 22:18.56 | findlay | (using google movies that is) |
| 22:18.58 | levi | nick125: They are if they're PCI-X cards. |
| 22:19.06 | elg | ~hug xvmc |
| 22:19.06 | ibot | ACTION jumps into xvmc's lap and huggles and *hugs* xvmc |
| 22:19.09 | levi | Though there does seem to be one relatively cheap one. |
| 22:19.25 | elg | we have HDTV |
| 22:19.28 | levi | elg: Nice. |
| 22:19.32 | findlay | pci-xyz |
| 22:19.41 | findlay | whatever |
| 22:19.45 | levi | elg: Do you also have a monochrome OSD? |
| 22:19.58 | elg | no, it's color |
| 22:20.07 | elg | cpu usage 50% |
| 22:20.16 | elg | well, and 10% for xorg |
| 22:20.51 | levi | Hmm. XvMC always gave me the monochrome OSD, along with general instability. I'm running fairly old mythtv packages, though, I think. |
| 22:21.02 | levi | Awesome that it works for you, though. |
| 22:21.16 | levi | Is that with a recorded show, or live TV? |
| 22:21.20 | elg | live |
| 22:21.27 | levi | Excellent. |
| 22:21.37 | elg | 1080i I htink |
| 22:21.52 | levi | Now you just need to test live TV while recording another program. |
| 22:22.27 | elg | well, the frontend isn't the one with the disks |
| 22:22.35 | elg | next step is to see if the dual-screen thing will work |
| 22:23.42 | levi | Ahh, separate front-end/back-end. Nice. |
| 22:25.44 | maquis | ~lart life |
| 22:25.44 | ibot | takes out life with the trash |
| 22:25.52 | maquis | -lart life |
| 22:25.52 | brac | signs life up for getting hit on the head lessons |
| 22:25.58 | maquis | -lart levi |
| 22:25.59 | brac | installs windows on levi's machine |
| 22:26.03 | maquis | -lart elg |
| 22:26.03 | brac | removes Debian from elg's system |
| 22:26.23 | maquis | -lart findlay |
| 22:26.24 | brac | sporks findlay |
| 22:26.31 | maquis | :( |
| 22:26.40 | elg | ~whack maquis |
| 22:26.40 | ibot | ACTION whacks maquis upside the head. |
| 22:26.50 | maquis | cries |
| 22:28.47 | *** join/#utah roving_prole (n=Harper@peace.office.dharmatech.org) |
| 22:31.12 | findlay | -excuse |
| 22:31.12 | brac | Your computer hasn't been returning all the bits it gets from the Internet. |
| 22:33.51 | Sargun | who does |
| 22:34.41 | unum | I've been shaving off extra bits for years, no one has noticed yet |
| 22:34.53 | findlay | ~shoot Sargun |
| 22:34.54 | ibot | ACTION shoots Sargun in the ear with a spitwad! |
| 22:35.11 | findlay | ~kill bits |
| 22:35.11 | ibot | ACTION shoots a hyper-charged pseudograviton gun at bits |
| 22:35.14 | Sargun | ~lart findlay |
| 22:35.14 | ibot | installs a bad bootloader on findlay and turns findlay into a brick |
| 22:35.18 | Sargun | haha! |
| 22:35.24 | findlay | ~brick Sargun |
| 22:35.25 | ibot | ACTION installs a bad bootloader on Sargun and turns Sargun into a brick |
| 22:36.39 | findlay | ~random |
| 22:38.40 | findlay | ~quote scoxe |
| 22:38.50 | findlay | ~quote scox |
| 22:39.06 | findlay | ~quote ibm |
| 22:39.13 | findlay | there you have it |
| 22:40.04 | findlay | guess ironic insidious insinuations of corruption don't pay |
| 22:44.27 | elg | hmm, now I'm not so sure I used xvmc at all |
| 22:44.45 | levi | Well, if you don't need it... |
| 22:45.34 | elg | the log says "Desired video renderer 'xvmc-blit' not available. codec ... using xv-blit instead" |
| 22:45.39 | elg | true |
| 22:46.02 | elg | though I don't know if my athlon 2000+ could keep up, and I have yet to really decide which computer it's going in |
| 22:46.24 | elg | i can worry about it later, anyway |
| 22:47.36 | *** join/#utah Killarny (n=Killarny@xbmc/user/Killarny) |
| 22:53.14 | Sargun | ~quote Sargun |
| 22:53.20 | Sargun | ~quote elg |
| 22:53.29 | Sargun | ;-P |
| 22:54.08 | tristanbob__ | the coolest thing about the Vyatta router |
| 22:54.27 | tristanbob__ | is that I can "apt-get update" and "apt-get upgrade"! |
| 22:55.08 | Sargun | and it runs quagga |
| 23:39.00 | *** join/#utah rsimpkins (n=rsimpkin@io.ryansimpkins.com) |
| 23:40.28 | Sargun | wow... |
| 23:59.38 | levi | Cool, it turns out the drive I need to swap isn't even SATA at all. |
| 23:59.57 | levi | I should be able to just swap it in and boot it up. |