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| 00:44.34 | rsimpkins | Saw a preview of what Jay is going to be doing tonight. Wow. |
| 00:44.42 | rsimpkins | Hope you guys that want 'in depth' meant it. |
| 00:44.51 | rsimpkins | gotta go set up. |
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| 01:07.34 | findlay | what time is plug at? |
| 01:12.16 | Supaplex | 30 minutes before you show up |
| 01:17.52 | rsimpkins | findlay: same time as always, |
| 01:27.00 | goozbach | ~plug? |
| 01:27.02 | ibot | well, plug is the Provo Linux User's Group (www.plug.org) |
| 01:44.47 | findlay | ~supaplex Supaplex |
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| 02:28.06 | elg | ~lart hardy |
| 02:28.06 | ibot | chops hardy in half with a free AOL CD |
| 02:28.25 | elg | this is the crappiest supposedly long-term support release I have ever seen |
| 02:28.49 | elg | modprobe has apparently been replaced by a noop |
| 02:28.55 | elg | it doesn't complain when I run it as user |
| 02:29.01 | elg | it doesn't do anything when I run it as root |
| 02:29.06 | elg | i have to insmod |
| 02:29.25 | elg | sound gives me no end of trouble |
| 02:29.40 | elg | i don't think I can even blame pulseaudio for all of it |
| 02:30.33 | encryptz | elg: eh? |
| 02:30.45 | elg | eh. |
| 02:30.48 | encryptz | modprobe as unpriviliged complains here |
| 02:30.54 | encryptz | "Operation not permitted" |
| 02:31.18 | elg | so your heron likes you better than mine? |
| 02:31.48 | encryptz | i guess. it's failing with no error? |
| 02:32.29 | elg | yeah |
| 02:32.32 | elg | and return code 0 |
| 02:33.02 | encryptz | ouch. i'd say something's borked |
| 02:34.13 | elg | hm, actually it only seems borked with the nvidia driver |
| 02:34.17 | findlay | MYSQL PLZ SELECT ROYAL ROAD TO SQL-FU BRILLIANCE KTHXBYE; |
| 02:34.29 | elg | why I try something else it behaves normally |
| 02:35.29 | encryptz | interesting. so, maybe it's the module? |
| 02:35.55 | elg | maybe |
| 02:35.59 | elg | works fine when I insmod it though |
| 02:36.14 | elg | i uninstalled ubuntu's fail excuse of an nvidia solution |
| 02:36.21 | elg | since nothing worked properly. |
| 02:36.35 | elg | installed the nvidia driver the traditional way, and except for modprobe problems it works great |
| 02:37.11 | encryptz | what is ubuntu's fail excuse for an nvidia solution? |
| 02:37.46 | elg | the restricted driver stuff |
| 02:37.54 | elg | i don't know how they messed it up, but they did |
| 02:37.58 | findlay | wouldn't an nViDiA ubuntu.deb driver come from a bootleg black market repo anyway? |
| 02:38.26 | encryptz | it would come from restricted, probably |
| 02:38.38 | findlay | eh |
| 02:38.54 | Jayce^ | poor goozbach.. too bad you aren't in UT |
| 02:38.55 | findlay | I've had good success with Intel video drivers |
| 02:39.02 | elg | you know the little green card that shows up, you click on it, it says you could be running so and so restricted driver, so you click on the enable box, and it warns you you're part of the evil conspiracy |
| 02:39.06 | elg | then it installs stuff |
| 02:39.26 | encryptz | heh |
| 02:39.28 | Jayce^ | looks over findlay's shoulder |
| 02:39.32 | elg | it works, in the sense that there's acceleration |
| 02:39.39 | findlay | and the nv driver seems to work quite well for 2D. In fact it's better than the nvidia driver for 2D in my experence |
| 02:39.57 | elg | but x-plane fails to start. problems with corrupted display on 2d apps that shouldn't sweat it |
| 02:40.00 | elg | etc. |
| 02:40.08 | encryptz | findlay: yeah, i'm running intel, and love it. great 3d effects, opengl, and all that jazz |
| 02:40.13 | elg | when I unchecked the box (and it uninstalled stuff), then rant he nvidia installer, everything worked fine |
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| 02:42.53 | Jayce^ | nice, nested lists models.. how many people are lost now :) |
| 02:43.00 | encryptz | elg: that's just your punishment for gui foo. the tui and cmd gods are now sending cosmic rays from unknown galaxies to fiddle with the bits on your drive |
| 02:43.33 | elg | i use aptitude |
| 02:43.50 | elg | after ubuntu failed to do it automatically, I fired up aptitude |
| 02:45.03 | elg | i've had many a wrestle with nvidia and ubuntu. in the past it has been to get more recent drivers, and I found getting rid of ubuntu's nvidia stuff was not an easy task |
| 02:45.11 | elg | but I'm pretty confident I did this time |
| 02:45.24 | elg | don't see how it could mess up modprobe anyway. and locate nvidia.ko gives only one result |
| 02:51.15 | elg | tries nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel-source |
| 03:00.22 | Heartsbane | if that doesn't work try EnvyNG |
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| 03:06.19 | encryptz | emcnabb: pm? |
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| 03:11.38 | emcnabb | encryptz, hey |
| 03:14.22 | elg | what's envyng? |
| 03:15.48 | elg | man, this is weird. I get the same thing with module built from nvidia-kernel-source, from the one built by the nvidia installer, and from the one in restricted-modules |
| 03:17.55 | findlay | -google envyng |
| 03:17.56 | brac | envyng: http://albertomilone.com/wordpress/?p=159 |
| 03:18.10 | findlay | brac knows all |
| 03:19.04 | elg | artwork contest |
| 03:19.05 | elg | way to go brac |
| 03:21.07 | findlay | hehe |
| 03:23.08 | Supaplex | sup |
| 03:23.45 | Supaplex | ~seen Jayce^ |
| 03:23.53 | ibot | jayce^ is currently on #utos #utah. Has said a total of 15 messages. Is idling for 41m, last said: 'nice, nested lists models.. how many people are lost now :)'. |
| 03:25.44 | Supaplex | ~$foo->{bar}->{boo}->{baz}++ |
| 03:26.50 | elg | grumble |
| 03:27.02 | elg | so apparently something (jockey?) put nvidia in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-local |
| 03:27.22 | elg | no flippin' wonder |
| 03:28.14 | Sargun | Gentoo Gentoo Gentoo! |
| 03:28.21 | Sargun | nick125, don't we love Gentoo? |
| 03:28.28 | nick125 | Sargun: yup |
| 03:28.47 | Sargun | Why do I have to implement a linked list using C++? Run away! |
| 03:29.04 | nick125 | Sargun: It's probably better than getting a C/Python module statically compiled |
| 03:29.24 | Sargun | nick125, you overestimate C++'s ability. |
| 03:29.33 | nick125 | At? |
| 03:30.10 | Sargun | being sane. |
| 03:30.26 | nick125 | haha |
| 03:30.32 | nick125 | It can't be *that* bad.... |
| 03:30.52 | Sargun | ... |
| 03:30.56 | Sargun | ok |
| 03:31.23 | nick125 | needs to charge up his camera gear |
| 03:38.39 | elg | a linked list in C++? easy |
| 03:38.42 | elg | klunky, but easy |
| 03:38.54 | elg | a linked list is almost always klunky |
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| 04:20.21 | findlay | man |
| 04:20.30 | findlay | crummy linear algebra texts |
| 04:21.42 | findlay | give me a solid covering of the facts undiluted of pedagogical blather and disturbingly annoying colors |
| 04:30.08 | Supaplex | nom nom nom's on smokehouse flavored almonds mmMMMmmmm |
| 04:30.30 | Supaplex | sorry lays, I can eat just one. These almonds on the other hand are a very different story. :-D~~~ |
| 04:31.00 | nick125 | lol |
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| 04:36.06 | findlay | http://catalog.lib.byu.edu/uhtbin/cgisirsi/HNxLWqKopL/LEE/296630046/9 |
| 04:36.27 | findlay | now, there's a text on linear algebra |
| 04:37.13 | findlay | stupid legacy proprietary library databases |
| 04:37.28 | findlay | ISBN: 3540972633 |
| 04:49.21 | Supaplex | Invalid or missing multifunction form CGI type |
| 04:49.30 | Supaplex | does that mean the math is defective? |
| 04:49.35 | Supaplex | :P hehhehe |
| 04:50.33 | findlay | ~blame infoproprietix |
| 04:50.33 | ibot | ACTION blames infoproprietix (and Canada) for all the evil in the world |
| 04:53.12 | findlay | -excuse |
| 04:53.12 | brac | Too many interrupts |
| 04:55.00 | findlay | -chat mysql |
| 04:55.00 | brac | mysql had |
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| 12:46.11 | sargun-palm | nick125 |
| 12:46.16 | sargun-palm | you there |
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| 12:56.30 | sargun-palm | heya elg |
| 12:58.22 | sargun-palm | who in here does photography? |
| 13:02.21 | sargun-palm | its awful silent in here... where is findlay? |
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| 13:15.19 | ^Migs^ | what kind of photography? |
| 13:15.34 | ^Migs^ | I'm a pretty good photographer, but I don't make a hobby of it exactly |
| 13:15.40 | ^Migs^ | only when it's time for family portraits |
| 13:20.36 | Sargun_screen | heya |
| 13:20.53 | Sargun_screen | ^Migs^: can I see what you've got? |
| 13:21.37 | Sargun_screen | I just tipped my baristas 6.9 minutes each (assuming they are making $13/hr) |
| 13:22.02 | Sargun_screen | Opening, and morning shift are usually the most $ wise... |
| 13:22.49 | Sargun_screen | hmm... there is a fairly old man (think 50-58) and a younger teenager (14?) that are both dressed in BDUs |
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| 13:23.58 | Sargun_screen | Hmm, ^Migs^ you sysadmin right? How do you do monitoring on your network? Internal, external, and from a remote location? |
| 13:24.12 | elg | mon |
| 13:24.19 | elg | and cacti |
| 13:24.36 | elg | and definitely not nagios |
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| 13:25.32 | elg | and definitely not emcnabb |
| 13:25.38 | ^Migs^ | I'm not a sysadmin. I'm a web manager. |
| 13:26.19 | ^Migs^ | and what do you mean see what I've got? Some photos I've taken? |
| 13:26.47 | Sargun_screen | yeah. |
| 13:27.07 | Sargun_screen | elg: I mean, for external monitoring, I assume he uses a 3rd party. Why not Nagios? Nagios is awesome. |
| 13:28.41 | ^Migs^ | http://justinliz.clarkefamilyinfo.com/pictures/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=1033&g2_serialNumber=1 |
| 13:28.51 | ^Migs^ | that's one of my favorites |
| 13:29.16 | ^Migs^ | http://justinliz.clarkefamilyinfo.com/pictures/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=1043&g2_serialNumber=1 |
| 13:29.25 | Sargun_screen | Me is: http://album.xbmodder.us/ |
| 13:29.28 | brac | [Album: htdocs] |
| 13:29.35 | Sargun_screen | That's going to be horribly slow, but screw it. |
| 13:29.47 | Sargun_screen | wow, did you really take that? |
| 13:29.50 | ^Migs^ | yeah |
| 13:29.53 | ^Migs^ | touched up in Photoshop |
| 13:29.55 | Sargun_screen | what tool did you use |
| 13:29.56 | Sargun_screen | ahh. |
| 13:30.18 | Sargun_screen | Photoshop can make the most imcompetent photographer look like a genius. |
| 13:30.20 | Sargun_screen | anyways, bbiab |
| 13:30.42 | ^Migs^ | it's even better when you're an awesome photographer, like me |
| 13:31.58 | ^Migs^ | http://justinliz.clarkefamilyinfo.com/pictures/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=4100&g2_serialNumber=1 |
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| 13:48.59 | Sargun_screen | ^Migs^: but you never answered myother question(s). |
| 13:49.18 | Sargun_screen | What do you use to externally monitor your web server cluster? |
| 13:49.26 | Sargun_screen | anbd to do offsite monitoring? |
| 13:50.02 | Sargun_screen | like do you havea failover colo somewhere which monitors it in order to detect L1-L6 failures in order to take over routing? |
| 13:50.09 | ^Migs^ | I don't do the monitoring. I'm a developer. Not so much a sysadmin. |
| 13:50.16 | ^Migs^ | I tell someone else to set up my web servers. |
| 13:50.18 | Sargun_screen | and you just use that data... |
| 13:50.25 | ^Migs^ | then I configure them how I want afterward. |
| 13:50.26 | Sargun_screen | ah. A deveoper, another developer :-( |
| 13:50.39 | Sargun_screen | developers developers developers! |
| 13:50.42 | ^Migs^ | don't sound so disappointed |
| 13:51.00 | ^Migs^ | I could ask |
| 13:51.14 | ^Migs^ | I used to know, but I find that stuff boring so I quickly forget |
| 13:51.20 | Sargun_screen | I'd have to say the first image was the best. |
| 13:51.30 | Sargun_screen | out of your set. |
| 13:51.34 | ^Migs^ | yeah, I agree |
| 13:51.48 | Sargun_screen | Such a beautiful rack: http://album.xbmodder.us/rack/tn/img_0147.jpg.html |
| 13:51.51 | brac | [Album: img 0147] |
| 13:52.11 | Sargun_screen | For people who are afraid of small animals (chipmunks): http://album.xbmodder.us/chipmunk/tn/img_0145.jpg.html |
| 13:52.14 | brac | [Album: img 0145] |
| 13:55.53 | Sargun_screen | Are There Too Many Women in IT? (Doesn't neccessarily represent my view on the topic): http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/career/article.php/3746501 |
| 13:56.04 | brac | [Are There Too Many Women in IT?] |
| 13:58.49 | ^Migs^ | girls using computers? Unthinkable! |
| 14:00.24 | Sargun_screen | of course. |
| 14:01.07 | Sargun_screen | ^Migs^: are those your little girls or else? |
| 14:01.33 | ^Migs^ | those are mine |
| 14:01.43 | ^Migs^ | actually the one in "Baby Kisses" sitting in the chair is my wife's cousin's kid |
| 14:02.07 | Sargun_screen | Dang, cute kids. |
| 14:02.16 | ^Migs^ | ty |
| 14:03.59 | Sargun_screen | So blog topics: Utility computing, Distributed CDN, Distributed monitoring economies |
| 14:04.03 | Sargun_screen | which one? |
| 14:04.08 | Sargun_screen | (1), (2), (3) |
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| 14:19.20 | nick125 | yawns |
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| 14:20.22 | Sargun_screen | nick125: finally, you are alive. |
| 14:20.22 | Sargun_screen | fail. |
| 14:20.35 | nick125 | yeah, yeah, yeah...stuff it. |
| 14:21.00 | Sargun_screen | after 2 hours... |
| 14:21.07 | Sargun_screen | Dude, nice... 2 hours... |
| 14:22.42 | nick125 | lol |
| 14:23.37 | Sargun_screen | When do you have to leave for grad ceremony? |
| 14:23.46 | nick125 | Sargun_screen: Oh yeah, that 500 songs will fit on my Treo. 1.7GB |
| 14:24.08 | nick125 | Sargun_screen: I don't know, I'm about to call my instructor and ask him what time he wants me to be there so I can setup my equipment |
| 14:25.29 | Sargun_screen | hm. I'll encode my songs in Ogg, and put them on my treo |
| 14:25.44 | Sargun_screen | what do you use to play the songs? |
| 14:26.23 | nick125 | ptunes |
| 14:26.27 | nick125 | with ogg plugin |
| 14:34.10 | elg | so i got sick of playing video card roullette last night and ordered an nvidia 6200 |
| 14:34.44 | nick125 | video card roulette...sounds like fun |
| 14:35.18 | elg | decidedly not |
| 14:35.50 | elg | after my ubuntu issues (which had nothing to do with the actual card) I was definitely not in the mood for a misbehaving video card in my myth box |
| 14:38.41 | Sargun_screen | hehe. |
| 14:39.54 | Sargun_screen | I need to DL the idol plugin |
| 14:39.58 | Sargun_screen | err. ogg |
| 14:40.17 | Sargun_screen | yay, I get to make the GF of china |
| 14:41.14 | Sargun_screen | I have to administer a network which has IPsec VPN past the great firewall (with permission) and I have to sign a bunch of documents and agree to a bunch of things saying I will try my hardest to implement the filtering that China wants |
| 14:41.24 | Sargun_screen | and I thought that other ISPs have difficult NDAs |
| 14:42.59 | fozzmoo | FREE TIBET! |
| 14:43.12 | Sargun_screen | iptables -I INPUT --src fozzmoo -j DROP |
| 14:43.15 | fozzmoo | (with purchase of Tibet or equal or lesser value) |
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| 14:46.01 | jsmith | fozzmoo: Good one! |
| 14:46.14 | fozzmoo | ;-) |
| 14:46.46 | Sargun_screen | Did you know that people put full articles into DNS records? |
| 14:47.03 | Sargun_screen | usually DNS is unfiltered. |
| 14:50.46 | Sargun_screen | aright |
| 14:50.47 | Sargun_screen | bye bye |
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| 15:12.16 | unum | I wish we were using debian at work.... |
| 15:12.21 | unum | everything is so easy at work |
| 15:12.25 | unum | s/work/home |
| 15:12.39 | unum | anyone know where I can find something like this -> http://www.perlmonks.org/?node_id=105674 |
| 15:12.42 | unum | but for debian |
| 15:12.55 | unum | it's an init script for a custom made perl daemon |
| 15:17.34 | tuple | use runit |
| 15:17.53 | elg | no futzing about with complicated init scripts, and supervision to boot |
| 15:18.28 | goozbach | what happens to a runit script at boot? |
| 15:18.35 | goozbach | is runit akin to daemontools? |
| 15:18.43 | goozbach | or more akin to init? |
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| 15:19.26 | elg | yes |
| 15:19.33 | elg | it's like daemontools |
| 15:20.03 | elg | its website even looks like daemontools |
| 15:20.15 | elg | http://smarden.org/runit/ |
| 15:26.50 | jsmith | unum: If you were running Debian at work, you'd be upgrading like mad today, right? |
| 15:28.44 | unum | actually two days ago.... |
| 15:28.52 | synic | heh, yeah. |
| 15:29.04 | unum | but debian stable updates are pretty painless |
| 15:29.22 | unum | the annoying thing would be telling our clients to accept the new ssh keys |
| 15:33.19 | sontek | silly debian users, production is for redhat! |
| 15:33.31 | sontek | ;) |
| 15:45.57 | unum | actually I forgot that machine is red... |
| 15:46.02 | unum | s/red/redhat |
| 15:47.43 | unum | rhel4 |
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| 15:48.06 | lakshmi | hey |
| 15:49.17 | unum | hey |
| 15:49.26 | Jayce^ | ~beat goozbach for introducing me to a new comic |
| 15:49.26 | ibot | ACTION relentlessly beats goozbach for introducing me to a new comic over the head with a Louisville Slugger |
| 15:49.43 | goozbach | Jayce^: there's only 273 of them |
| 15:50.01 | goozbach | if you click on three per minute it won't take you all day to finish. |
| 15:50.29 | goozbach | ... i mean, I wasn't up all night and most of this morning clicking "next"... |
| 15:50.46 | goozbach | Jayce^: you need to share your "daily" list with me |
| 15:50.58 | goozbach | I'll share my daily list with you... |
| 15:51.09 | elg | speaking of comics, i wonder what happened to my get fuzzy feed |
| 15:53.04 | unum | which comic did he introduce you to? |
| 15:53.34 | unum | pa and xkcd unfortunately are not daily |
| 15:53.40 | unum | questionable content is |
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| 15:54.51 | sontek | I like phdcomics as well |
| 15:55.02 | sontek | I still read userfriendly but its not always funny |
| 15:56.03 | sinuhe | sontek: I read userfriendly for its first 3 years (I blame this on redbeard2), but it lost its charm after that. |
| 15:56.03 | elg | it's rarely funny would be more accurate |
| 15:56.25 | findlay | it's accurate but not funny |
| 15:56.36 | lakshmi | hey people |
| 15:56.37 | findlay | accurately funny |
| 15:56.40 | lakshmi | Third-grader Michael can barely contain himself in class; the minute the teacher asks a question, he calls out the answer; half the time he hasnt even waited to hear the entire question; much of the time he gets the answer wrong. |
| 15:56.46 | elg | am i the only one who gets christer's post about ufw not needing a gui EVERY DAY? |
| 15:56.50 | lakshmi | does that sound like an ADHD child to ya'll ? |
| 15:57.52 | goozbach | unum: not from concentrate: http://nfccomic.com/ |
| 15:57.55 | brac | [Not From Concentrate] |
| 15:57.55 | elg | doesn't participate in armchair diagnosis |
| 15:59.15 | findlay | my chair doesn't have arms either |
| 15:59.18 | findlay | I took them off |
| 15:59.19 | levi | This guy has the best toy ever: http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/Man-soars-Alps-jet-powered-wing-Bex2C-Switzerland-Anja-Niedringhaus/ss/events/lf/051408yvesrossy/s:/ap/20080514/ap_on_re_eu/switzerland_rocket_man/im:/080514/481/1e8e3d34fb9a47cf94e8c6ab648d1dde/;_ylt=AgB6nw.uk92eLZ4RGoBuVzlbbBAF#photoViewer=/080514/ids_photos_wl/r377956208.jpg |
| 15:59.27 | findlay | because they wouldn't fit under the desk |
| 15:59.30 | levi | Yow, I didn't know the link was that long. |
| 16:00.02 | Jayce^ | goozbach you show me yours..... :) |
| 16:03.40 | unum | lakshmi: I don't really think the doctors know what they're talking about when it comes to ADHD |
| 16:04.02 | unum | I've seen people with such different symptons diagnosed with the same problem and given the same drugs |
| 16:04.09 | lakshmi | well what do you think thta child in the example has |
| 16:04.12 | lakshmi | poor parenting |
| 16:04.16 | unum | thinks physicians try to solve to many problems with drugs |
| 16:04.17 | lakshmi | or addhd |
| 16:04.32 | unum | poor parenting |
| 16:04.47 | unum | really not enough data to decide |
| 16:04.55 | unum | maybe a mental disorder |
| 16:04.56 | sinuhe | unum: My brother is adhd and it is most definately not poor parenting that was the problem. |
| 16:05.08 | unum | was diagnosed add |
| 16:05.29 | unum | but I wasn't drugged during years that I had good teachers |
| 16:05.40 | unum | because I didn't need the drugs, I did fine with out them.... |
| 16:06.17 | unum | but other years the teachers would tell my parents they needed to drug me |
| 16:06.19 | sontek | pfft, I think add/adhd is a way of saying you didn't beat your kid enough |
| 16:06.21 | sontek | :D |
| 16:06.23 | maquis | sinuhe: i wouldn't say all people diagnosed with adhd have poor parenting, but many of the people that i've known who were diagnosed with adhd, it ended up being a way for the parents to discount responsibility and take the easy way out |
| 16:06.54 | maquis | a lot of times it's also because they are rather bright, and the schools aren't challenging them, and they don't have the discipline to handle that correctly |
| 16:07.09 | elg | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7402374.stm |
| 16:07.12 | brac | [BBC NEWS | Americas | Net video lands US man in prison] |
| 16:07.44 | levi | One of my teachers thought I might be ADD because I was perpetually bored in her class. |
| 16:08.04 | lakshmi | from the information given |
| 16:08.09 | lakshmi | unum |
| 16:08.12 | lakshmi | what would u say |
| 16:08.22 | lakshmi | Third-grader Michael can barely contain himself in class; the minute the teacher asks a question, he calls out the answer; half the time he hasnt even waited to hear the entire question; much of the time he gets the answer wrong. |
| 16:08.23 | lakshmi | has |
| 16:08.58 | sontek | I would diagnose it as the teacher hasn't asked him to wait until the full question is asked and to raise his hand |
| 16:09.03 | levi | lakshmi: So, if physicians have a hard time properly diagnosing this stuff, and none of us are even trained physicians, what information could you possibly get by asking here? |
| 16:09.21 | sontek | and the parents didn't teach him manners, or they don't pay enough attention to him at home, so this is his way of getting attention |
| 16:09.36 | lakshmi | well i have an essy to right |
| 16:09.38 | lakshmi | er |
| 16:09.40 | lakshmi | write |
| 16:09.41 | lakshmi | and its either |
| 16:09.43 | harleypig | I blame goozbach for my dramatic drop in productivity this morning. |
| 16:09.44 | lakshmi | poor parenting |
| 16:09.46 | harleypig | And Jayce^ |
| 16:09.58 | lakshmi | or adhd |
| 16:10.02 | lakshmi | so yeah |
| 16:10.07 | lakshmi | wanting to get insight |
| 16:10.12 | levi | lakshmi: If you're just writing a stupid essay, pick one and go with it. |
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| 16:10.27 | goozbach | harleypig: I am glad I'm not the only one not being productive... |
| 16:10.27 | harleypig | lakshmi: Sent me $100 and I'll give you some insight. |
| 16:10.29 | lakshmi | uhh it needs to be right |
| 16:10.48 | sontek | goozbach: harleypig: Today is totally a Friday |
| 16:10.57 | sontek | i'm doing nothing too! :P |
| 16:11.02 | harleypig | So what's going to be tomorrow then? |
| 16:11.05 | harleypig | or |
| 16:11.13 | harleypig | So what's tomorrow going to be then? |
| 16:11.21 | levi | lakshmi: How could there possibly be a 'right' answer to that? |
| 16:11.52 | goozbach | pineapple http://nfccomic.com/index.php?comic=22 |
| 16:11.55 | brac | [Not From Concentrate - #22] |
| 16:12.04 | goozbach | sontek: it's friday? |
| 16:12.08 | goozbach | ~date |
| 16:12.10 | ibot | It is now 2008.05.15 16:12:10 GMT |
| 16:12.23 | sontek | I'm working like it is :P |
| 16:12.24 | goozbach | ~not that date, the day of the week? |
| 16:12.28 | lakshmi | uhhh either the kid has ADD |
| 16:12.30 | lakshmi | or the kid doesnt |
| 16:12.32 | goozbach | ~ddate |
| 16:12.36 | lakshmi | one is right and and one is wrong. |
| 16:12.48 | levi | lakshmi: This is a hypothetical kid, right? |
| 16:12.53 | sontek | 99% of the time add/adhd is bad parenting in my personal experience |
| 16:13.40 | harleypig | lakshmi: there are degrees of add and adhd |
| 16:13.42 | levi | lakshmi: Why don't you explain more about this assignment? What kind of class is it for? |
| 16:13.44 | elg | levi: obviously one answer is politically correct, and therefore right |
| 16:14.22 | harleypig | The politically correct one being the one that covers the administration as much as possible while leaving the affected party as few avenues as possible. |
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| 16:14.28 | elg | I feel sad that I'm not more surprised that someone has an assignment requiring her to be an armchair psychiatrist |
| 16:14.28 | lakshmi | child development/psychology |
| 16:14.59 | findlay | ~advise lakshmi |
| 16:15.00 | ibot | lakshmi: of course, the eigenspinor of casmir forces will compactify prerogative spaces and dilute volition density |
| 16:15.04 | unum | why can't someone have an assignment to be an armchair psychiatrist, all the physicians are doing it!!! |
| 16:15.14 | elg | :) |
| 16:15.28 | elg | let's just cut out the middle man |
| 16:15.28 | harleypig | Can I be an armchair astronaut? |
| 16:15.36 | elg | harleypig: yes |
| 16:15.44 | harleypig | I first parsed that as "let's just cut up the middle man" |
| 16:15.46 | elg | harleypig: eat lots of beans |
| 16:15.54 | elg | that works too |
| 16:15.58 | unum | I know a girl who's mom works with doctor specializing in sleep disorders. the girl was seeing a therapist, the therapist never suggested that she takes medicen for bipolar disorder |
| 16:16.10 | unum | but the physicians that work with her mom, said she should |
| 16:16.13 | unum | and so she did..... |
| 16:16.18 | unum | boggles the mind |
| 16:16.25 | elg | wow |
| 16:16.33 | harleypig | yoga is the answer |
| 16:16.37 | harleypig | and tantric sex |
| 16:16.39 | levi | lakshmi: Okay, what you need to do is get your textbook and find the indicators of ADHD. Find all the behaviors of the kid that match the indicators. If they seem to you to match well, then say so and explain why. If not, say so and explain why. |
| 16:16.56 | findlay | yoga? But that means you'd be eating *live* bacteria! |
| 16:17.02 | harleypig | levi: You're expecting him to actually do his assignment ... that's so unfair. |
| 16:17.25 | unum | I'd talk about attempting alternative treatments before drugging the kid |
| 16:17.38 | elg | i'd talk about finding more information |
| 16:17.42 | lakshmi | well my book doesnt talk about ADHD at all |
| 16:17.45 | unum | like saying wait until I finish asking the question... |
| 16:17.55 | lakshmi | nor does my teacher follow the textbook since she thinks shes better than it |
| 16:17.58 | levi | lakshmi: Well, look at your notes, then. |
| 16:18.01 | lakshmi | she mentioned ADHD once. |
| 16:18.05 | lakshmi | briefly |
| 16:18.13 | lakshmi | she mentioned parenting styles more |
| 16:18.18 | levi | lakshmi: Or go to a medical website. |
| 16:18.21 | elg | then you should hypothesize in your essay that your teacher has adhd |
| 16:18.30 | lakshmi | well see this kid does show signs of ADHD |
| 16:18.38 | lakshmi | AND he shows signs of poor parenting |
| 16:18.44 | lakshmi | idk which to pick |
| 16:18.56 | levi | The point of an essay question is generally to see if you can intelligently defend your answer. |
| 16:19.05 | unum | ya |
| 16:19.07 | elg | if all you know about the kid is one sentence about one behavior, I don't know whether you can assert either one |
| 16:19.12 | levi | If you pick the 'wrong' one and defend it with facts, you should at least get partial credit. |
| 16:19.20 | unum | most teachers won't dock you for taking the "wrong" side |
| 16:19.42 | unum | and if they're are the type of teacher to do that. the "wrong" side will already be obvious |
| 16:20.46 | elg | which isn't to say you couldn't write an intelligent essay speculating either way |
| 16:21.35 | levi | If you want to write the answer you think your teacher intends, go ahead. You're in a much better position to speculate on that than we are. |
| 16:24.29 | findlay | pubmed |
| 16:24.36 | levi | elg: Anyway, I bought Ed Smith's "The Vegetable Gardener's Bible" yesterday, and it's an excellent book so far. Great information, great writing style, glossy pages with full-color photos, nice layout, etc. |
| 16:25.03 | findlay | haha: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/ |
| 16:26.05 | elg | findlay: haha: http://www.nsaspeaker.org/ |
| 16:26.09 | brac | [National Speakers Association] |
| 16:26.33 | levi | I was going to buy Square Foot Gardening as well, but B&N didn't have it. |
| 16:26.53 | elg | we planted most of the seeds last night |
| 16:27.07 | elg | hopefully we can remember to keep things moist until stuff germinates |
| 16:27.11 | levi | They did have a whole bunch of books on growing Cannabis, though! :P |
| 16:27.17 | elg | oh yeah? |
| 16:27.27 | elg | who needs books? |
| 16:27.33 | elg | ~google growbox |
| 16:27.39 | elg | -google growbox |
| 16:27.39 | brac | growbox: http://www.homegrown-hydroponics.com/ |
| 16:27.42 | findlay | elg: what about it? |
| 16:27.49 | elg | findlay: you first |
| 16:28.46 | findlay | elg: levi suggested going to a medical website |
| 16:28.57 | findlay | so I naturally suggested the best |
| 16:29.39 | elg | so what's funny about that link? |
| 16:30.18 | findlay | it's a broken server |
| 16:30.22 | findlay | I always find that funny |
| 16:33.12 | findlay | anyway, this appears to be the 'real' pubmed: http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/ |
| 16:33.20 | brac | [PubMed Central Homepage] |
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| 16:36.26 | elg | what's broken about it? |
| 16:37.54 | findlay | http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/ |
| 16:38.19 | elg | you keep pasting that link. I do not think it means what you think it means. |
| 16:38.20 | findlay | if you can't see anything broken, then your part of the intertubez must be antibroken |
| 16:38.49 | findlay | or maybe your isp is substituting it for a link farm |
| 16:39.00 | elg | maybe you are delusional |
| 16:39.05 | elg | so many possibilities |
| 16:39.07 | findlay | it's possible |
| 16:39.28 | findlay | when I see ERROR: 404 Not Found |
| 16:39.38 | findlay | that suggests brokenness |
| 16:40.34 | elg | hans.fugal.net/tmp/pubmed.png |
| 16:41.15 | findlay | wierd |
| 16:41.38 | findlay | dang, the error went away |
| 16:42.09 | findlay | well, it was fun while it lasted. Too bad nobody else got to enjoy it |
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| 16:47.15 | findlay | jnbek: looks like I'm still getting the same problem. For some reason the server or the (local web proxy?) won't let cron grab the file. It keeps timing out connecting to the server |
| 16:49.53 | findlay | aha, the proxy. I didn't have http_proxy set for my script |
| 16:51.47 | findlay | that's it |
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| 17:27.42 | sjansen | Reasons I hate Windows #2476: Edge resistance. Windowing systems without edge resistance are just barbaric. |
| 17:28.05 | sjansen | (Which is also one of the reasons I don't like Compiz.) |
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| 17:28.46 | ^Migs^ | this is so junior high. My wife went to a pajama party last night with her friends and they toilet-papered the house of their friend who didn't show up |
| 17:31.30 | findlay | ^Migs^: your wife sounds cool |
| 17:31.51 | ^Migs^ | bunch of 25-35 year-old housewives with kids tping houses. |
| 17:31.52 | ^Migs^ | that's great |
| 17:32.04 | sjansen | ~tp ^Migs^ |
| 17:32.11 | ^Migs^ | and writing "PARTY POOPER" all over their driverway in chalk |
| 17:32.16 | findlay | ~advise ^Migs^ |
| 17:32.17 | ibot | ^Migs^: of course, the eigenspinor of casmir forces will compactify prerogative spaces and dilute volition density |
| 17:32.23 | sjansen | ^Migs^: Nows your change to educate ibot! |
| 17:32.31 | findlay | haha |
| 17:32.37 | sjansen | *sigh* |
| 17:33.02 | ^Migs^ | ~advise findlay |
| 17:33.02 | ibot | findlay: of course, the eigenspinor of casmir forces will compactify prerogative spaces and dilute volition density |
| 17:33.05 | ^Migs^ | oops |
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| 17:50.02 | levi | ^Migs^: It's a good thing your wife went, or you'd be cleaning TP off of your house today. :P |
| 17:50.21 | ^Migs^ | yeah, no kidding |
| 18:07.26 | ^Migs^ | http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/2996/pmeo9hcjp7aw9.jpg |
| 18:10.29 | ECRS401 | haha |
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| 18:47.36 | sinuhe | That about sums it up for Debian. |
| 18:48.43 | ^Migs^ | good thing I use Ubuntu. No WAY would I EVER use Debian. |
| 18:48.50 | ^Migs^ | EVER. |
| 18:52.53 | jnbek | findlay, so you got it working by setting the http_proxy? |
| 18:53.27 | findlay | jnbek: yeah |
| 18:53.39 | jnbek | awesome |
| 18:53.55 | findlay | well the other thing I fixed was a potential problem too |
| 18:54.05 | jnbek | yea, for sure |
| 18:54.31 | ^Migs^ | I'm starting to second-guess whether it's such a good idea to have my 5 year-old daughter learn to be comfortable with a webcam |
| 18:54.48 | jnbek | hehe |
| 18:55.19 | ^Migs^ | she gets on ooVoo with me every day |
| 18:55.19 | findlay | ^Migs^: you're training her to be complacent with the spectre of a surveillence state |
| 18:58.07 | ^Migs^ | I was afraid I was training her to use webcam for other uses. |
| 19:07.23 | JoshH | i'd wait till she's a bit older than 5 to worry about such things |
| 19:07.55 | JoshH | it's not like she'll be chatting with random old dudes without your supervision, i would imagine |
| 19:08.52 | ^Migs^ | no, she wont' be |
| 19:09.00 | mrpull | ^Migs^: how is oovoo? how does it compare with using the video from the other popular services (or IM clients)? |
| 19:09.00 | ^Migs^ | unless someone figures out her screenname, I guess |
| 19:09.08 | ^Migs^ | I like oovoo. Quite a bit, actually. |
| 19:09.28 | ^Migs^ | Integrates with phone calls, too. They used to have free phone calls for awhile, and you could let anyway join in on your conference |
| 19:12.05 | mrpull | windows only? |
| 19:13.51 | ^Migs^ | WIndows and Mac. |
| 19:13.56 | ^Migs^ | They CLAIM to be working on a Linux port |
| 19:31.36 | harleypig | http://donaldsoffritti.blogspot.com/search?q=Decadence |
| 19:41.30 | sjansen | Hypothetically speaking, lets say you dropped your $600 cellphone in an airplane toilet and it bulls eyed through the hole, what would you do? |
| 19:42.50 | mrpull | sjansen: fish that sucker out |
| 19:43.07 | mrpull | I've changed enough diapers in the last 3.5 years that poop isn't quite as disturbing as it used to be |
| 19:44.08 | sinuhe | mrpull: I'm not sure fishing that "sucker out" is a viable option with an airplane toilet. |
| 19:44.44 | mrpull | I seem to remember a long post on a WoW forum about this topic |
| 19:44.54 | sjansen | According to my very connected boss, it took him 13.7 seconds to decide the phone was gone forever. Thankfully, he had an insurance policy to replace the phone for only $50. Does that change the equation for you? |
| 19:45.34 | mrpull | I'm not a airplane toilet guru, but the last time I saw one it was closed except for flushing time... that'd be really poor timing to drop it during flushing time |
| 19:45.41 | sinuhe | sjansen: 13.7? You sure that isn't 13.8, or 12? |
| 19:46.00 | mrpull | if the policy _really_ would replace it for my stupid mistakes, I'd get a new one for $50 |
| 19:46.14 | mrpull | most of the policies have so many exclusions they are worthless |
| 19:46.30 | sinuhe | mrpull: There is no closed. |
| 19:46.42 | sjansen | sinuhe: He repeated it 13.7 seconds 3 times. |
| 19:47.21 | mrpull | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=11211166&pageNo=1&sid=1 |
| 19:47.48 | sjansen | mrpull: There's a spring that can withstand a certain amount of force, but not the force of a falling cell phone. |
| 19:48.11 | sjansen | Or maybe it could... I guess I didn't think to ask.. |
| 19:48.50 | mrpull | if he's the boss, he should do what I did when I broke my phone |
| 19:49.21 | mrpull | get the fancypants new one, fix the old one, and give the old was as a hand-me-down to another employee |
| 19:49.45 | mrpull | I'll have to test the spring door theory next time I'm in a plane |
| 19:50.01 | mrpull | I took my 3.5 year old in an airplane bathroom on Monday |
| 19:50.04 | sinuhe | mrpull: don't forget your phone. :-) |
| 19:50.15 | mrpull | I think he was more board than needing to go |
| 19:50.25 | mrpull | poor sucker was scared to death when I closed the door |
| 19:50.50 | goozbach | see, I'm paranoid enough about things falling into toliets that I secure all flaps and pockets prior to entering the bathroom. |
| 19:52.42 | mrpull | http://msgboard.snopes.com/travel/graphics/seat29e.pdf |
| 19:53.36 | mrpull | the drawing of seat 39E is the best... having sat in that seat I concur |
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| 19:58.52 | Jayce^ | goozbach: agreed on that count |
| 19:59.01 | ^Migs^ | http://www.myconfinedspace.com/2006/05/09/charlie-brown-gone-anime/ |
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| 20:14.45 | Sargun | Did you guys here about CBS? |
| 20:15.01 | lakshmi | no |
| 20:15.47 | fozzmoo | They bought CNET? |
| 20:21.14 | Sargun | Sadly. |
| 20:22.51 | harleypig | seriously? |
| 20:22.58 | harleypig | this isn't a late april fools joke? |
| 20:26.23 | findlay | heh |
| 20:27.21 | unum | man I remember when I used to use CNET stuff all the time |
| 20:27.34 | unum | before I was told about /. I used to read news.com |
| 20:28.02 | unum | back before I started reading /. I cared more about what the big boys were doing.... |
| 20:28.17 | unum | and when I ran windows I used to use download.com all the time |
| 20:28.29 | findlay | heh, download.com |
| 20:28.56 | unum | now I use mirror.kernel.org for everything :) |
| 20:29.26 | unum | well I also use debian-multimedia |
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| 20:42.33 | vontrapp | anyone know about that crazy debugger program that lets you hear some representation of program execution? |
| 20:42.57 | sontek | an accessible debugger? :P |
| 20:43.12 | vontrapp | not exactly |
| 20:43.13 | fozzmoo | Dan Rather. Morley Safer. Katie Couric, Mary Jo Foley |
| 20:43.28 | vontrapp | as your program runs, it plays sounds to your soundcard, and you can hear patterns and such |
| 20:43.38 | fozzmoo | Oh yeah. Quake III. Good one. |
| 20:43.54 | fozzmoo | ducks |
| 20:43.57 | vontrapp | ~lart fozzmoo |
| 20:43.57 | ibot | shoots fozzmoo in his sleep |
| 20:44.18 | vontrapp | you wrap it around an arbitrary program, YOUR program, and you hear stuff |
| 20:44.30 | vontrapp | knows it exists but can't find it |
| 20:44.30 | fozzmoo | That could be fun. |
| 20:44.50 | vontrapp | my google fu is inadequate |
| 20:45.00 | fozzmoo | on_file_open(play_wav('slurp.wav')); |
| 20:48.43 | vontrapp | on_segfualt(play_wav('boom.wab')); |
| 20:48.51 | vontrapp | *wav |
| 21:05.51 | harleypig | cat file > /dev/sound0 |
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| 21:16.56 | goozbach | Jayce^: your turn: http://blog.friocorte.com/presentation-storage/comics/comic_list.mark |
| 21:22.12 | ^Migs^ | http://www.vimeo.com/993998 |
| 21:26.48 | vontrapp | harleypig: that's not execution, that's just source |
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| 21:39.20 | goozbach | strace program 2> /dev/sound0 |
| 21:39.28 | goozbach | that's getting closer. |
| 21:39.30 | Sargun | uh |
| 21:39.56 | Sargun | fozzmoo, what? |
| 21:41.15 | Tene | strace program -o /dev/audio |
| 21:41.25 | Tene | you don't want to mix application stderr with strace stderr |
| 21:44.47 | vontrapp | cool tene |
| 21:45.14 | vontrapp | although, the best would be to have different pitched noises for different things, like arithmetic, system calls, memory accesses, etc etc |
| 21:56.35 | vontrapp | not at 4:00 you can't, sheesh! |
| 22:33.34 | encryptz | how do i make a livecd boot with the dvorak layout rather than qwerty? |
| 22:34.00 | encryptz | edit the ./isolinux/isolinux.cfg file? if so, google is not helping any |
| 22:44.37 | Tene | encryptz: you mean once linux boots, or in the bootloader itself? |
| 22:45.01 | Tene | If the former, the only thing you could change in there that would be relevant are kernel arguments. |
| 22:45.01 | encryptz | when the boot prompt is displaying, the layout loaded should be dvorak |
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| 22:51.23 | findlay | I think ISOLinux is like a bootstrapper for the real livecd kernel |
| 22:51.55 | findlay | reminds me of the days when I had an old toshiba that couldn't boot from the cd drive |
| 22:52.09 | findlay | I tried lots of dark magic |
| 22:52.25 | findlay | none of it worked :) |
| 22:52.54 | findlay | I was kind of sad too, that was a tough machine |
| 22:53.15 | findlay | ~seen specialk |
| 22:53.27 | ibot | specialk <n=Bob@c-98-202-35-18.hsd1.ut.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 184d 18h 41m 50s ago, saying: 'That's money'. |
| 22:53.28 | findlay | ~seen specialz |
| 22:53.28 | ibot | specialz <n=skraczek@12.191.193.40> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 209d 23h 6m 19s ago, saying: 'I hope mine goes down around the end of November'. |
| 22:53.29 | Tene | encryptz: read /usr/share/doc/syslinux-3.61/keytab-lilo.doc |
| 22:53.52 | levi | findlay: You should have seen the hoops I had to jump through to get Linux on my Sony Picturebook. |
| 22:54.56 | levi | findlay: It had neither an internal CD drive nor an internal floppy drive. I had an external CD drive, but it wasn't bootable. I think maybe I could boot from a USB floppy drive, though. |
| 23:08.19 | findlay | levi: well I'm sure you're more competent with that kind of thing :) |
| 23:09.06 | fozzmoo | levi: How did you get it installed? |
| 23:09.44 | vontrapp | chicken blood |
| 23:09.49 | findlay | ~date |
| 23:09.50 | ibot | It is now 2008.05.15 23:09:50 GMT |
| 23:10.35 | vontrapp | geez it's late |
| 23:10.37 | levi | fozzmoo: It was through some bizarre combination of several distros, the usb floppy drive, and the CDROM drive. I don't remember the details. |
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| 23:31.24 | vontrapp | ~lart elg |
| 23:31.24 | ibot | eats elg and falls over dead |
| 23:34.49 | keldwud | = still stuck in North Hollywood |
| 23:35.03 | findlay | heh |
| 23:35.19 | elg | could be worse. you could be stuck in the sahara desert |
| 23:35.20 | findlay | I'm stuck in the most pointless orientation meeting evar |
| 23:35.53 | fozzmoo | orients findley |
| 23:35.58 | fozzmoo | ~orient findlay |
| 23:36.07 | findlay | ~occident fozzmoo |
| 23:36.11 | fozzmoo | gasps |
| 23:36.25 | findlay | ~dict occident |
| 23:36.47 | sjansen | findlay: Pay special attention to the discussion of how to use a doorknob. There will be a test later. |
| 23:37.24 | findlay | sjansen: ooh, I know this one, um ... you use the doorknob to punch people? |
| 23:37.59 | Heartsbane | findlay: only if it is a sack of doorknobs |
| 23:38.02 | sjansen | Uhm, no. Only under very special circumstance. Most of the time you use doorknobs to open and close doors. |
| 23:38.05 | findlay | feels like the HR people have gotten a hold of us and are trying to smother us with goodwill |
| 23:38.23 | elg | hrm, can't seem to get my tracking number from newegg |
| 23:38.36 | elg | it says it has shipped and a tracking number is available, but I can't seem to get to it |
| 23:38.38 | sjansen | findlay: Hold up your computer and point to IRC. They'll get the message that you are snarky and not to be troubled. |
| 23:38.43 | elg | nothing in my email either |
| 23:38.48 | findlay | hahaha |
| 23:39.31 | findlay | but there always seems to be something sinister with the HR people management mentality |
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