| 00:00.09 | goozbach | sjansen: how many fedora bugs did _YOU_ find/fix/report? |
| 00:00.27 | goozbach | I only like the even releases anyway |
| 00:00.39 | sjansen | Uhm.. er.. that is... |
| 00:00.51 | sjansen | Beautiful weather we're having, no? |
| 00:00.55 | goozbach | which is to mean starting with RHL 5 |
| 00:01.09 | goozbach | (old odd, new even) |
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| 00:01.44 | findlay | F9? |
| 00:01.46 | goozbach | I bet it's elg's fault |
| 00:01.51 | findlay | RH oly got to 9 |
| 00:02.08 | findlay | time for a new set of distros from the hat guys |
| 00:02.19 | goozbach | findlay, for all intents and purposes FC1 == RHL 10 |
| 00:02.30 | findlay | Bowler Cap 1 |
| 00:02.44 | sjansen | And we've already had another rename with FC -> F. |
| 00:03.03 | elg | it's all my fault |
| 00:03.08 | goozbach | sjansen: yes, but they didn't reset the numbering scheme, so it doens't count |
| 00:03.16 | sjansen | ~punish elg |
| 00:03.17 | ibot | ACTION forces elg to install and use Windows |
| 00:03.17 | findlay | yeah, but how many red bowler caps have _you_ seen? |
| 00:03.24 | goozbach | packs up and heads home to have a date with his wife. |
| 00:03.37 | goozbach | fi |
| 00:03.44 | findlay | if |
| 00:03.52 | goozbach | findlay: I own one |
| 00:03.58 | goozbach | and it's a fedora |
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| 00:08.14 | lakshmi | hey |
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| 00:31.04 | nick125_eee | Anyone here know how to statically link something using gcc/glibc? Whenever I try to statically link GeoIP, I get a weird error like.. |
| 00:31.22 | nick125_eee | warning: Using 'gethostbyname_r' in statically linked applications requires at runtime the shared libraries from the glibc version used for linking |
| 00:31.26 | nick125_eee | Any ideas? |
| 00:31.41 | findlay | libnss is tricky to staticly link |
| 00:31.44 | findlay | if possible |
| 00:32.02 | nick125_eee | findlay: My main problem is that I need to statically link libGeoIP. |
| 00:32.25 | findlay | follow the money |
| 00:40.30 | findlay | man, java syntax seems to make nice indentations impossible |
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| 02:10.04 | Supaplex | has a power sneeze, and blows jsmith away |
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| 02:53.47 | findlay | queue's up some Bruckner |
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| 02:58.06 | drfindley | how does one insert a newline in a vim search and replace? |
| 02:58.21 | drfindley | such as %s/dumb/\ndumb/g |
| 02:58.28 | drfindley | except \n no worky |
| 02:59.26 | findlay | \r |
| 02:59.50 | findlay | one of the many legacy vim weirdisms |
| 03:00.16 | drfindley | drfindley: thanks |
| 03:00.26 | drfindley | findlay: thanks. and now I'm confused |
| 03:01.37 | findlay | why are you confused? |
| 03:02.36 | drfindley | findlay: I can't seem to type the right findley/findlay :) |
| 03:03.02 | drfindley | findlay: but that \r sure did the trick, thanks |
| 03:03.18 | findlay | np |
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| 03:41.58 | findlay | so, the federal governmnent just dumped $300 into my bank account |
| 03:42.11 | Sargun | excellent. |
| 03:42.19 | Sargun | Send it to me |
| 03:42.33 | Sargun | Dr. Johnson |
| 03:42.44 | Sargun | 1600 Nigeria Way |
| 03:42.54 | Sargun | I'll help you triple it. |
| 03:42.59 | findlay | that is Keynesian |
| 03:43.13 | findlay | to the point of getting a little offended |
| 03:43.21 | findlay | no, I'm quite disgusted |
| 03:43.31 | findlay | what do they think they're doing? |
| 03:44.18 | findlay | burning a little cash now to catalyze a fairy economic renewal to save us from the throes of recession? |
| 03:44.58 | findlay | s/that is/that is soo/ |
| 03:45.01 | keldwud | so who do we know in #utah that is actually in california? |
| 03:45.07 | keldwud | I'm in north hollywood right now |
| 03:45.48 | findlay | well Tom comes in to hang out under the pseudonym of Sargun |
| 03:46.02 | keldwud | hey Sargun you here? |
| 03:46.07 | Sargun | No. |
| 03:46.08 | keldwud | ~poke sargun |
| 03:46.09 | ibot | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind sargun, pokes sargun repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 03:46.21 | keldwud | what part of cali you in? |
| 03:46.31 | Sargun | keldwud, The better part -- northern. |
| 03:46.48 | keldwud | ahh, I am a week behind schedule to make it to the bay area |
| 03:47.04 | keldwud | I ate some asphalt in lancaster |
| 03:47.31 | Sargun | on tour? |
| 03:47.40 | keldwud | stuck in north hollywood until I can bend my knee again, but after that I will be in the bay area. |
| 03:47.47 | keldwud | yeah. I *was* touring |
| 03:47.56 | keldwud | but... heh. I laid my bike down. |
| 03:48.27 | Sargun | where in the bay area |
| 03:48.31 | keldwud | I was planning on just making contact with all the people I talk to online. whether it is occasionally or only once in a while. |
| 03:48.44 | keldwud | the bay area has a lot of people from online |
| 03:48.53 | Sargun | were you planning on biking up to northern california?! |
| 03:49.00 | keldwud | so I was planning on san jose, san fran, oakland |
| 03:49.05 | keldwud | the whole area really |
| 03:49.14 | Sargun | SJC |
| 03:49.24 | keldwud | I *was* planning on being there this last weekend |
| 03:49.36 | keldwud | but I wrecked my bike on the 7th in lancaster. |
| 03:49.48 | findlay | why did you wreck your bike? |
| 03:49.51 | keldwud | bike is okay but my knee has stitches and I can't bend my knee. |
| 03:50.04 | keldwud | oh because I thought it would make a great story and get me laid findlay |
| 03:50.17 | keldwud | I also wanted the excitement of being in pain |
| 03:50.21 | keldwud | laughs |
| 03:50.21 | Sargun | hahaha |
| 03:50.40 | keldwud | oh wait, you didn't mean that in a smart ass way did you findlay |
| 03:50.46 | findlay | my knee hurts too |
| 03:51.02 | findlay | keeps me from running up into the hills |
| 03:51.04 | keldwud | you were looking for a "how did it happen" I realize now. |
| 03:51.21 | findlay | well, it's your choice |
| 03:51.27 | keldwud | yeah, Unisys is telling me I may be on shaky ground. |
| 03:51.45 | keldwud | s'posed to be at work right now |
| 03:52.33 | keldwud | anyway, I will stop in here again before I hit the road and see if there is anybody who wants to have a bite to eat or a beer as I am coming through town. |
| 03:54.29 | Sargun | uh |
| 03:54.32 | Sargun | call me |
| 03:54.35 | Sargun | 925.202.9485 |
| 03:54.43 | keldwud | laughs |
| 03:54.46 | keldwud | awww. okay :) |
| 03:54.47 | Sargun | (when you're available) |
| 03:54.50 | Sargun | :-) |
| 03:54.52 | Sargun | ;-P |
| 03:54.59 | keldwud | right now okay? |
| 03:55.15 | keldwud | so as I don't forget to do it later |
| 03:55.53 | Sargun | phone is too hot |
| 03:56.11 | levi | Yo. |
| 03:56.47 | keldwud | yo yo |
| 03:56.54 | keldwud | yoyo ma |
| 03:57.17 | keldwud | as in the Cellist |
| 03:57.33 | Sargun | I'll tell you |
| 03:57.43 | Sargun | you work for Unisys? |
| 03:57.49 | Sargun | or a contractor? |
| 03:57.50 | levi | I rode my bicycle today. Woot. :) |
| 03:58.23 | keldwud | sargun - contracted through their in house thingy |
| 03:58.29 | Sargun | Queue up Queen's bicycle! |
| 03:58.43 | keldwud | they do it weird. UTS is part of unisys, but they hire like employment agencies do. |
| 03:59.07 | keldwud | so I'm a contractor contracted by unisys to work for unisys |
| 03:59.08 | Sargun | what's the easiest way to parse this into two datetimes? "05/02/2008 18:00 0:55" |
| 03:59.21 | keldwud | laughs |
| 03:59.39 | Sargun | keldwud, what do you do at Unisys? |
| 04:00.05 | keldwud | just support. I am failing at my CS degree right now so I do not have any respectable skills or knowledge ;) |
| 04:00.26 | Sargun | Unisys does support? |
| 04:00.42 | keldwud | yeah. they do corporate support |
| 04:00.46 | Sargun | I though you had to buy a 3rd party contract for that |
| 04:00.58 | keldwud | they also provide IT and HelpDesk solutions for HUGE companies |
| 04:01.22 | keldwud | that may be why they hire their helpdesk people through their in-house contracting agency. |
| 04:01.25 | Sargun | Do you have access to their blades? |
| 04:01.30 | Sargun | like to play with |
| 04:01.37 | keldwud | nope. |
| 04:01.40 | keldwud | well.. |
| 04:01.53 | keldwud | we'll talk later |
| 04:02.06 | Sargun | to "test" on? ;-P |
| 04:02.10 | keldwud | laughs |
| 04:02.17 | levi | keldwud: You should probably not fail your CS degree. |
| 04:02.28 | keldwud | yeah. how much of my wages can you compensate if I get in troubole Sargun? ;) |
| 04:02.36 | levi | I tried that, and it sucked. |
| 04:02.47 | keldwud | levi: you are absolutely correct. I just stopped going before finals. |
| 04:03.09 | keldwud | I haven't flunked anything serious though |
| 04:03.24 | keldwud | only have 3 semesters worth of credits. just generals and stuff. |
| 04:03.42 | levi | I flunked an entire semester when I didn't go to finals, too. |
| 04:03.47 | levi | It was a bad idea. |
| 04:04.00 | fozzmoo | I still have nightmares about finals. |
| 04:04.01 | keldwud | it is a very Bad Idea. |
| 04:04.31 | levi | Now, many years later, I am finally within a reasonable distance of graduation. |
| 04:04.42 | levi | Would have been a lot easier to just not flunk out to begin with. |
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| 04:33.06 | jgiboney | so my mail server seems to be working perfectly now... the problem I am having is with 1and1.com's mx record... does anyone have experience with this? |
| 04:34.58 | tensai | not specifically. what kind of mx problem? |
| 04:35.13 | elg | throws something across the room |
| 04:35.56 | jgiboney | i don't know... i set the mxrecord to justingiboney.com... but when I try to send an email, i get a message to the effect that the user justin is not available from 1and1.com |
| 04:36.13 | tensai | elg: was it a brick? |
| 04:36.14 | elg | so something about heron ruined pydance |
| 04:36.23 | elg | which my wife likes to use from time to time |
| 04:36.31 | elg | now it freezes up, but only when using the dance pad |
| 04:36.41 | elg | so I try this stepmania thing |
| 04:36.46 | elg | works great, but no sound |
| 04:37.11 | elg | well, it's ignoring the default alsa device and going with hw:0, which is the onboard sound card. so I finally after a little googling figure out how to specify the sound card |
| 04:37.27 | elg | and then it doesn't work with my turtle beach santa cruz |
| 04:37.38 | elg | apparently someone else has the same problem. |
| 04:37.43 | tensai | jgiboney: looks fine to me. can you pastebin the bounce you get? |
| 04:37.52 | Sargun | uh |
| 04:37.53 | elg | stupid developers that think they know better what they need out of sound and break everything |
| 04:38.02 | Sargun | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:38.02 | Sargun | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:38.02 | Sargun | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:38.02 | Sargun | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:38.02 | Sargun | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:38.03 | Sargun | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:38.05 | Sargun | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:38.08 | Sargun | people shouldn't be allowed to take vacation. |
| 04:38.30 | elg | so I try forcing dmix. nope. doesn't work with pulseaudio (much to the chagrin of many users in the forums). |
| 04:38.44 | elg | so i either hook up more speakers or fail |
| 04:38.55 | elg | or wait for pydance devs to stop dancing and figure out my bug |
| 04:38.57 | levi | elg: Get rid of pulseaudio. It is indeed crap. |
| 04:39.02 | elg | :) |
| 04:39.15 | Sargun | PulseAudio is kickass. |
| 04:39.21 | levi | Sargun is a moron. |
| 04:39.26 | tensai | ~language Sargun |
| 04:39.27 | ibot | ACTION grabs Sargun by the ear and washes Sargun's mouth out with soap |
| 04:39.34 | jgiboney | nm, it wasn't working an hour ago, so I assumed that it still wasn't working... it seems to be fine |
| 04:39.39 | elg | I've been giving it a fair shot. it's not as bad as it could be, but it's no panacea |
| 04:39.41 | jgiboney | boy, do i feel stupid |
| 04:39.47 | levi | Er, sorry. I mean, Sargun has ill-informed opinions! |
| 04:40.28 | levi | elg: All I know is that I was having difficulties with it enabled, and they went away when I disabled it. |
| 04:40.32 | elg | and it didn't even come close to working out of the box in heron |
| 04:40.43 | elg | of course having 2 sound cards is a fringe setup, but not unheard of by any means |
| 04:40.51 | levi | I don't see why I need it, or why I should even want it. |
| 04:41.30 | elg | well, so far the only true advantage I've seen is per-app volume control |
| 04:41.45 | levi | I wouldn't care if it didn't get in my way, but it did. Not ready for prime time yet. |
| 04:42.15 | levi | Hmm. Well, if that was useful to me, I might bother with it. |
| 04:42.33 | levi | I rarely use a Linux desktop, though. Most of my Linux use is via ssh. |
| 04:43.14 | levi | Anyway, it's time for sleep. |
| 04:43.59 | tensai | elg: do you remember the max temperature that cinder blocks can reasonably withstand? |
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| 05:18.36 | findlay | levi: do you sleep via ssh too? |
| 05:18.55 | findlay | tensai: probably more than most metals :) |
| 05:23.08 | findlay | ~date |
| 05:23.09 | ibot | It is now 2008.05.14 5:23:09 GMT |
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| 06:14.12 | jnbek | findlay: glad you got it figured out, that would definitely explain the problem you were having. :) |
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| 07:46.53 | sontek | whoops |
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| 14:36.05 | ECRS401 | morning! |
| 14:36.32 | fozzmoo | belches |
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| 15:08.23 | sontek | turned my server back on =) |
| 15:09.58 | levi | It's always nice to have the server on. |
| 15:11.39 | levi | So, when is this 'fuel bubble' supposed to burst? |
| 15:14.09 | sinuhe | levi: It is bursting. Remember, in 2003, fuel was only $1.63. It peaked at $2 during the war, $3 with hurricane katrina, and is pushing to 4 this year (last year it was back to $3). It is supposed to get to $5 with then next year or two. The world is currently at maximum production, and China is just getting started. |
| 15:14.40 | levi | sinuhe: I think you misunderstood the question. |
| 15:15.22 | levi | The question assumed a 'fuel bubble', which the bulk of your answer assumes is not actually present. |
| 15:15.44 | levi | If there were a fuel bubble, and it burst, fuel prices would drop. |
| 15:15.56 | sinuhe | levi: What do mean by fuel bubble? |
| 15:16.15 | levi | The same thing that people meant by 'internet bubble' and 'housing bubble'. |
| 15:17.07 | levi | I.e. artificially inflated prices due to rampant speculation. |
| 15:17.29 | levi | And perhaps some price gouging. |
| 15:17.42 | levi | A lot of people seem to believe that's happening with fuel prices right now. |
| 15:18.02 | sinuhe | Oh, I see. There will be no bursting of a bubble, until people stop using oil for fuel, and switch to another non-food supply, at which point a fuel bubble will be irrelevant. |
| 15:18.07 | levi | At this point, I'm not sure whether they're correct or your view is correct. |
| 15:18.18 | sinuhe | levi: I assume by "your" you mean me? |
| 15:18.31 | levi | Well, yes. Who else is talking to me? |
| 15:18.54 | levi | And I'm well aware that your view is a fairly widespread one as well. |
| 15:19.47 | levi | I read a rather sad story last night about the fall of Sears. |
| 15:20.14 | levi | http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Global_Economy/JE14Dj03.html |
| 15:20.15 | sinuhe | My view is based on what scientists have been saying for 30-50 years. However, scientists are just environmental, political activists grabbing for power, at least according to some of my conservative friends. |
| 15:20.15 | brac | [Asia Times Online :: Asian news and current affairs] |
| 15:21.31 | levi | sinuhe: Well, there seems to be some disagreement as to when we'll hit 'peak oil'. I've no doubt that we will hit it at some point, and we may well have hit it, but I'm not sure we have. |
| 15:21.44 | sinuhe | Unfortunately, in their efforts to communicate this fuel shortage, some scientists have over dramatized the possible results of a fuel shortage. |
| 15:22.36 | sinuhe | levi: There is no way to be sure when the fuel itself when run out, though we apparently have a basic idea of the total possible amount of oil available. Currently facilities appear to be at peak production of that oil. |
| 15:23.03 | harleypig | http://io9.com/390181/how-to-build-a-violent-world-in-one-easy-step |
| 15:23.50 | levi | harleypig: So, we just need to outlaw alcohol sales, and all that violence will go away! Oh, wait... |
| 15:24.43 | sontek | fuel is a waste, in soviet russia car drives you! |
| 15:25.58 | elg | the best hope for reducing carbon emissions (if that is a thing you hope for) is fuel shortage. Nothing will work as well as high prices in driving adoption of alternative fuels |
| 15:26.31 | sinuhe | harleypig: The problem with alcohol is that it increases an already existing lack of responsibility. Criminalize the consumption of alcohol by those who have abused it through violence, or irresponsibility. Don't punish those who are responsible. |
| 15:27.38 | levi | sinuhe: So everyone will need to get a 'booze card' if they want to buy a drink? |
| 15:28.32 | sontek | we'll all have to have those little blow things install in our cars and the car won't start until we blow clean! |
| 15:28.35 | levi | elg: Well, that's definitely true. Unfortunately, rising fuel prices mean rising prices of pretty much everything. |
| 15:28.47 | elg | yes, i don't say it will be comfortable |
| 15:28.55 | elg | just that global warming alarmists should be rejoicing |
| 15:32.19 | levi | elg: Well, they're hypocrites just like everyone else. Take away their cheap food and plastic, and watch out! |
| 15:32.26 | elg | yup |
| 15:32.51 | sontek | elg: what was the link to doing network audio with jack? |
| 15:33.09 | tensai | I don't know that I'm happy that prices are going up, but in the long run I think it's good for globalized products to be priced more realistically |
| 15:33.31 | elg | http://netjack.sourceforge.net/ |
| 15:33.32 | brac | [netJack] |
| 15:33.51 | levi | Speaking of which, apparently a Chinese company is now outsourcing some manufacturing to North Carolina or something like that. |
| 15:34.43 | harleypig | sinuhe: it's saying it doesn'tmatter if you partake in alchohol or not ... the area surrounding the location of alchohol purchase experiences an increase of violence. |
| 15:35.16 | harleypig | levi: :] I don't think so, but there's certainly some indication (based on this report) that violence may be increased just by the increase of alchohol. |
| 15:35.35 | tensai | it doesn't make sense that during the height of apple season store shelves are stocked with new zealand fruit. I mean, c'mon. |
| 15:35.44 | sinuhe | levi: You already have to show ID in Utah. Add a note to the IDs for the Liquor stores. Utah has already done it to make it so illegal immigrants can't buy alcohol (not that I agree with that). |
| 15:36.36 | sinuhe | harleypig: I think the logic that the presence of alcoholic purchases is equivalent to violence is absurd. It is the inhibitions that over consumption of alcohol causes, which we already know, that makes more sense. |
| 15:37.16 | levi | Yeah, because lots of people buy alcohol from the liquor store to sit it on their shelf. |
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| 15:37.26 | levi | Purely as decoration. |
| 15:38.21 | levi | Clearly, alcohol purchases in an area correlate highly with alcohol consumption in an area. |
| 15:41.12 | fozzmoo | I've seen studies that correlate alcohol consumption to teenage pregnancy. Doesn't seem that absurd. |
| 15:42.06 | harleypig | sinuhe: I'm not sure where you're getting this ... the article just points out that "your chances of being assaulted in a given area generally increase as booze purchased in the last 24 hours increases" |
| 15:42.11 | sinuhe | levi: I think that's a more accurate statement, yes. Some people don't know how to drink responsibily. You have to think ahead, know your weight to the amount of consumption you have safely, and never go over it. You also have to drink regularly, and in small amounts to be healthy. |
| 15:42.21 | levi | fozzmoo: Well, what sinuhe seems to be arguing is that it's silly to speak of the *purchases* causing anything, since we all know that you have to consume enough of it for it to affect your judgement. |
| 15:42.22 | harleypig | That's not equivalent. |
| 15:43.02 | fozzmoo | levi: Almost as if purchasing alcohol affects your judgement. :) |
| 15:44.02 | levi | I'm saying that high alcohol purchases will correlate strongly with irresponsible alcohol consumption, so arguing that particular point is silly. |
| 15:44.15 | fozzmoo | I think it's the other way around. |
| 15:44.28 | fozzmoo | Affected judgement causes alcohol purchases. :) |
| 15:44.49 | Sargun | fozzmoo, I'd believe that's likely. Has anyone correlated THC usage to pregnancy & drinking? |
| 15:45.09 | Sargun | sinuhe, you don't have to drink.... |
| 15:45.18 | Sargun | "You also have to drink regularly" |
| 15:45.25 | fozzmoo | You don't *have to* be thirsty |
| 15:45.32 | findlay | heh, guess I'm not healthy :) |
| 15:45.58 | levi | Sargun: There aren't nice handy purchase statistics on THC like there are of alcohol in places where you can only purchase it from the gov't. |
| 15:47.24 | Sargun | levi, but how do they come up with the statistics that X% of people in age range Y-Z use THC? I thought they use the anonymous survey system. |
| 15:47.59 | levi | Although the wording was a bit ambigious, I think he meant that, if you're going to drink alcohol, drinking it regularly and in small amounts is the way to be healthy with it. Although he could be implying that drinking small amounts regularly has health benefits, in which case I would argue that there's nothing healthy in alcohol that you can't get elsewhere. |
| 15:48.05 | sontek | I'm here because of alcohol! Long live drunk unprotected love! |
| 15:48.29 | findlay | ~burn alcohol |
| 15:48.30 | ibot | ACTION pours gasoline all over alcohol, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze |
| 15:48.45 | Sargun | findlay, that never ends well... |
| 15:49.01 | findlay | ibot has no sense of his carbon output responsibility |
| 15:49.03 | sontek | oooh, alcohol + marshmallows is genius! |
| 15:49.16 | levi | Sargun: Well, yes, you could do a statistical study based on those surveys, but it would probably be less accurate. Go see if you can find one! |
| 15:49.50 | harleypig | http://io9.com/390184/goth-schoolgirl-falls-for-killer-robot-in-killdroid |
| 15:49.59 | sinuhe | Sargun: I agree, but my statement about "you should drink regularly" is if you do drink, it is not healthy to binge, or be a Friday night drinker. I have a glass of wine, or a shot of scotch, every other night, but I have a two drink limit for any given night. This keeps me under .04, even on an empty stomach. |
| 15:50.56 | levi | sinuhe: The people who enjoy getting drunk would probably be pretty annoyed if you told them they shouldn't get drunk anymore. |
| 15:51.24 | sontek | yeah, how are we supposed to be able to talk to girls without getting drunk? |
| 15:51.28 | sinuhe | levi: Alcohol does have proven health benefits related to the heart (clearing the crap from your arteries), iron in some drinks, and sterilization of your drink. |
| 15:51.28 | sontek | liquid courage ftw |
| 15:51.37 | Sargun | sinuhe, how much do you weigh? |
| 15:51.49 | Sargun | sontek, hehe. |
| 15:52.15 | sinuhe | levi: People *shouldn't* drink too much. If you have to get drunk as their goal for drinking, they probably shouldn't drink at all. |
| 15:52.16 | findlay | eh, who needs girls, or talking to them? |
| 15:52.50 | sinuhe | Sargun: I'm a bit over weight, but it is from drinking too much Coca Cola when my metabalism slowed down in my late twenties. |
| 15:52.54 | levi | sinuhe: Yes, well, here's where that 'freedom' thing comes into play. |
| 15:53.07 | Sargun | sontek, I believe Stanford medical did a study that you could find the benefits of most alcoholic drinks in other substances. |
| 15:53.29 | Sargun | Like Sodium Penthanol. |
| 15:53.35 | Sargun | ;-P |
| 15:53.43 | sontek | Sargun: lies! Thats like saying global warming is real! |
| 15:53.52 | Sargun | -_- |
| 15:53.59 | sontek | darn alarmists |
| 15:54.21 | sinuhe | levi: I respect those who choose not to drink for religious reasons, muslims, Mormons, etc., but I resent being condemned for drinking, when I do so responsibily. |
| 15:54.32 | sontek | If getting drunk and having a kid was good enough for my parents, its good enough for me! |
| 15:54.59 | levi | sinuhe: I'm certainly not condemning you for drinking. |
| 15:55.13 | levi | I applaud you for doing so responsibly. |
| 15:55.30 | levi | And I abhor the condemning of people for drinking. |
| 15:55.36 | findlay | sinuhe: stop! You're forcing me to abandon my warped comfort zone world view by talking rationally |
| 15:55.45 | findlay | :) |
| 15:55.47 | sontek | pfft, sinuhe is a slacker, the rest of us are just trying to make up for all those who don't drink |
| 15:55.59 | sontek | findlay: i'm trying to help out |
| 15:56.01 | JoshH | sinuhe: i don't care about being condemned by them, since i can ignore it, but i do resent having to drive to wyoming if i want anything but 3.2 beer, or beer that has been on the shelves warm for 10 months (even though the box says to keep refrigerated and rotate the stock) |
| 15:56.16 | sinuhe | levi: Thank you for the clarification. I wasn't thinking you might be. However, I have heard "you're free to do or think what you want" as a response to disagreement, or insinuated condmentation. I was reminded of this by your comment, but understood you were promoting the need for freedom. Just for clarification. |
| 15:56.22 | JoshH | not to mention the crappy selection |
| 15:57.19 | sinuhe | JoshH: Guinness is 4.2, and you can buy it off the shelf, (or have I been disillusioned by a specially made Utah Guinness?) |
| 15:57.40 | levi | I also abhor irresponsible behavior of all kinds, and I don't have much sympathy for those who choose to get drunk and then behave irresponsibly as a result. |
| 15:57.40 | JoshH | guiness draught is 4.0 everywhere |
| 15:57.53 | JoshH | extra stout is slightly more, and our liquor stores do have it |
| 15:58.07 | sinuhe | levi: via media: a good principle to follow |
| 15:58.49 | JoshH | but i like to get stuff from certain craft breweries in oregon and colorado, and they don't distribute here because A: we are a control state with too much red tape, and B: liquor stores here don't have fridges |
| 15:59.09 | JoshH | but they know that evanston is the way to reach the salt lake market, so i go there and fill my trunk every couple months |
| 15:59.54 | JoshH | also, i never get drunk |
| 16:00.31 | JoshH | sinuhe: also, keep in mind the difference between weight and volume |
| 16:00.38 | JoshH | 3.2 by weight = 4.0 by volume |
| 16:02.38 | JoshH | i have nothing against 3.2 beer if that's an appropriate alcohol content for the style, but when breweries like squatters and wasatch are forced to make all their beers, regardless of style, the exact same ABV, the quality does suffer. our locally brewed beers just aren't as good as those from other states. |
| 16:03.47 | sinuhe | JoshH: I already stated that. |
| 16:03.59 | JoshH | i must have missed it |
| 16:04.00 | sinuhe | JoshH: Never mind. Different topic. |
| 16:04.18 | sinuhe | JoshH: You're right. I was thinking in terms of volume. You're right. |
| 16:04.28 | sinuhe | Sigh. Redundant, me |
| 16:04.53 | findlay | heh |
| 16:05.54 | sontek | darn alcoholics who know the specifics of their alcohol |
| 16:06.13 | sontek | us responsible drinkers just enjoy a nice cold brew while watching the game |
| 16:07.07 | sinuhe | sontek: I'm finding I like wine with steak, or Italian, beer with sushi, and at night to relax, either a Guinness, or a 15-year single malt scotch. |
| 16:09.20 | sontek | I find different beers go better with different meals, I like a red wine with fish for some reason, and don't do scotch |
| 16:09.59 | findlay | I drank a cup of water last night |
| 16:10.56 | peno | some beer is like drinking water. |
| 16:11.01 | JoshH | i like beer with every type of food, but different types depending on the meal |
| 16:12.15 | JoshH | i've never cared much for wine, and i rarely drink liquor |
| 16:18.16 | bbeattie | any asterisk users active? |
| 16:18.41 | findlay | bbeattie: what's your question? |
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| 16:18.44 | ^Migs^ | #utaug |
| 16:19.02 | ECRS401 | hey migs |
| 16:19.07 | ^Migs^ | hey HEY hey ECRS |
| 16:19.29 | bbeattie | <- goes to $utaug |
| 16:19.49 | ^Migs^ | unset($utaug); |
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| 16:21.48 | findlay | -excuse |
| 16:21.48 | brac | kernel panic: write-only-memory (/dev/wom0) capacity exceeded. |
| 16:24.30 | ^Migs^ | this is freakin sweet |
| 16:25.14 | ^Migs^ | I just set up my Icecast server to work with Ogg Theora+Vorbis. I managed to get VLC to stream my webcam to Icecast. Then I integrated it into osTube with the Cortado player. http://www.webertube.com/mediadetails.php?key=jreeve_live |
| 16:25.48 | ^Migs^ | I'm starting to think Theora isn't quite ready for live streaming on the web, though |
| 16:26.20 | ^Migs^ | not to mention VLC crashes on Windows frequently |
| 16:29.53 | ECRS401 | ive not had any issues with VLC in windows |
| 16:30.06 | ^Migs^ | it usually crashes with either the libvlc.dll or libvorbis.dll |
| 16:30.14 | ^Migs^ | at least that's what it reports. |
| 16:30.31 | ^Migs^ | I actually rambled all about what I'm doing here: http://blog.weber.k12.ut.us/jreeve/2008/05/13/live-streaming-server/ |
| 16:30.37 | ECRS401 | its actually never crashed with me for windows |
| 16:30.53 | ^Migs^ | I'm thinking it might either just be a configuration or compilation issue |
| 16:30.58 | ^Migs^ | something hopefully solveable |
| 16:32.12 | elg | any reason why you're using theora and vorbis specifically? not that I don't love ogg, but it might be worth trying a few codecs to see which ones work in your streaming situation and with the kind of video you're encoding and ... |
| 16:34.48 | ^Migs^ | because that's the only ones that Icecast supports right now |
| 16:34.52 | ^Migs^ | for video, at least |
| 16:35.18 | ^Migs^ | and I like Icecast's mountpoints. I just stick our employees' LDAP usernames in them. |
| 16:35.53 | elg | ah |
| 16:36.15 | ^Migs^ | I think this will have to remain a novelty for now. |
| 16:36.40 | ^Migs^ | I'm sure I can get some tech-savvy teachers on board, but not the untechnical ones |
| 16:39.03 | ^Migs^ | there has to be a good way to do this, and keep it open source |
| 16:44.13 | levi | elg: So, you're doing this Square Foot Gardening thing? |
| 16:47.52 | tensai | levi: I just got that book. I'm going to give it a shot. |
| 16:51.01 | levi | Cool, my local library has it. |
| 16:51.28 | levi | Heh, except it has 3 hold requests and isn't due until May 23. |
| 16:52.33 | levi | Some other guy wrote 'Cubed Foot Gardening' |
| 16:56.30 | levi | I wonder if I can find it in a local bookstore. |
| 16:58.07 | tensai | I got mine 25% off at fred meyer |
| 16:58.44 | maquis | ooh... i don't have the book |
| 16:58.56 | maquis | but i'm doing a bit of gardening on my back porch |
| 16:59.18 | fozzmoo | maquis: You rock |
| 16:59.27 | maquis | fozzmoo: ? |
| 16:59.27 | tensai | maquis: you're growing rocks? |
| 16:59.36 | fozzmoo | maquis: You always have. |
| 16:59.36 | maquis | tensai: tomatos :) |
| 16:59.45 | maquis | fozzmoo: glad to hear that |
| 16:59.45 | fozzmoo | I planted three rows of corn last night. |
| 17:00.09 | ^Migs^ | oh gosh, I gotta plant some stuff |
| 17:00.18 | fozzmoo | The tomato plants I planted in late March are popping out of their wall-o-waters. |
| 17:00.18 | ^Migs^ | for that matter, I still gotta turn my sprinklers on |
| 17:00.24 | fozzmoo | Time to get the cages goin. |
| 17:00.35 | maquis | fozzmoo: wall-o-waters? |
| 17:00.53 | maquis | i keep meaning to set up some tomato cages, but i haven't had a chance to make them yet |
| 17:00.59 | levi | I've gotta finish fixing my sprinklers. |
| 17:01.00 | fozzmoo | Yeah- kinda like mini-greenhouses.] |
| 17:01.10 | maquis | fozzmoo: cool! |
| 17:01.17 | tensai | fozzmoo: I bought a few wall-o-waters this year. so far so good. they've only been in 2 weeks though. |
| 17:01.20 | maquis | heh... silly utah people need sprinklers... |
| 17:01.23 | fozzmoo | http://www.planetnatural.com/site/wallo-water.html |
| 17:01.37 | maquis | i certainly don't need to worry about sprinklers here |
| 17:02.09 | fozzmoo | http://www.seedsofchange.com/garden_center/product_details.asp?item_no=PS15689 |
| 17:02.17 | fozzmoo | That last one has a nice picture of them in action |
| 17:02.17 | brac | [Seeds of Change | Item Detail] |
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| 17:02.30 | brac | puts track spikes into Lone_Wanderer's side |
| 17:02.39 | Lone_Wanderer | ohhh, track spikes! |
| 17:03.27 | fozzmoo | Completely unrelated: This looks cool: http://www.technovoyance.com/index.php/The-Coolest-Ever-Pico-ITX-Board.html |
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| 17:06.23 | findlay | -excuse |
| 17:06.24 | brac | divide-by-zero error |
| 17:15.50 | maquis | i've got a -excuse |
| 17:15.55 | maquis | er |
| 17:15.56 | maquis | -excuse |
| 17:15.57 | brac | Did you pay the new Support Fee? |
| 17:16.09 | maquis | -excuse |
| 17:16.09 | brac | struck by the Good Times virus |
| 17:25.27 | ^Migs^ | are there any commercial media streaming servers as awesome as Icecast? |
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| 17:28.54 | findlay | sure aren't :) |
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| 17:36.07 | elg | so I have a question. |
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| 17:36.11 | elg | does ufw need a gui? |
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| 17:45.21 | elg | ^Migs^: you'll like this one http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7394384.stm |
| 17:45.43 | brac | [BBC NEWS | Americas | Pelican 'bombs' bather in Florida] |
| 17:46.08 | ^Migs^ | hahahaha |
| 17:46.35 | ^Migs^ | I never did like pelicans |
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| 18:15.03 | elg | -chat if only |
| 18:15.04 | brac | if only it were a bison photographer |
| 18:24.33 | Lone_Wanderer | -chat I remember |
| 18:24.33 | brac | I remember you asking a girl out. |
| 18:24.42 | Lone_Wanderer | Yeah, it really didn't go too well =( |
| 18:42.28 | elg | -chat i forget |
| 18:42.29 | brac | i forget they can cap the number with a cattle prod and gives it to be stating what has R done for you, thank you later |
| 18:42.45 | elg | -chat if only |
| 18:42.45 | brac | if only that were recorded in the state? |
| 18:43.05 | findlay | -chat Tene did |
| 18:43.06 | brac | Tene did |
| 18:43.11 | elg | oh did he |
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| 18:57.06 | maquis | -chat maquis is |
| 18:57.06 | brac | maquis is just annoying....I'm not going well. and you? |
| 18:57.15 | maquis | :( |
| 18:57.20 | maquis | cries... |
| 18:57.29 | findlay | -chat stuff |
| 18:57.29 | brac | stuff had |
| 18:57.36 | maquis | -chat maquis |
| 18:57.36 | brac | maquis had to do is limit access to computers |
| 18:57.41 | maquis | -chat maquis |
| 18:57.41 | brac | maquis did not compute! |
| 18:57.45 | maquis | -chat maquis |
| 18:57.46 | brac | maquis had to leave a bad time |
| 18:57.49 | maquis | -chat maquis |
| 18:57.49 | brac | maquis was probably a real state machine, not master or slave...from factory... |
| 18:57.55 | maquis | -chat maquis |
| 18:57.55 | brac | maquis was really little |
| 18:58.05 | maquis | brac: why don't you like me? |
| 18:58.06 | brac | you best check yo'self! |
| 18:58.11 | elg | -chat maquis is |
| 18:58.11 | brac | maquis is interested in someone? |
| 18:58.25 | elg | -chat that bot |
| 18:58.25 | brac | that bot sucks balls |
| 18:58.35 | maquis | ~language brac |
| 18:58.36 | ibot | ACTION grabs brac by the ear and washes brac's mouth out with soap |
| 18:58.36 | elg | -chat is slow |
| 18:58.39 | brac | but chat is it |
| 18:58.41 | brac | is slow right now? |
| 18:59.03 | elg | -chat maquis was |
| 18:59.03 | brac | maquis was very interesting |
| 18:59.18 | levi | elg: Have you done the Square Foot Gardening thing before, or is this your first time? |
| 19:06.18 | elg | first time |
| 19:06.28 | elg | kimball larsen set me on it |
| 19:06.50 | levi | I guess he's had good luck with it? |
| 19:06.57 | elg | apparently works pretty well for him. it had the benefit of being simple and sitting on top of my gravel which I was unable to get rid of |
| 19:07.59 | elg | he says he's been impressed with how the plants grow in the mix |
| 19:08.00 | unum | just wrote his first perl daemon |
| 19:08.03 | levi | We were planning on doing raised beds once I got our garden area leveled off. |
| 19:08.08 | elg | apparently this Mel guy lives in Utah |
| 19:08.50 | elg | it's kind of funny - it's a classic anti-establishment establishment |
| 19:09.13 | levi | The 6" bed seems a little short. |
| 19:09.14 | elg | ie "groundbreaking" (ha ha pun) but presented in a one-way-to-do-it fashion |
| 19:09.48 | elg | however, it's hard to argue with the apparent results, and he basically gives you the information on the website |
| 19:10.06 | elg | and it really is a flexible method, if you're willing to rebel against mel ;-) |
| 19:10.14 | levi | Heh. |
| 19:10.26 | elg | my mom is a green thumb incarnate, and she says it sounds like it should work |
| 19:10.27 | levi | That Mel I'm willing to rebel against. |
| 19:10.41 | levi | My wife also goes by Mel, and rebelling against her is another matter. ;) |
| 19:10.45 | elg | i was worried about the 6" too |
| 19:11.06 | elg | but after reading the book i'm convinced it is likely going to work |
| 19:11.07 | findlay | who's the mel guy? |
| 19:11.33 | elg | basically, the soil you use is rich enough that the plants don't have to go diving for nutrients, |
| 19:11.46 | levi | I think I'm going to pick this one up, too: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1580172121 |
| 19:12.03 | elg | and most plants (vs larger stuff like trees) don't go much deeper most of the time anyway |
| 19:13.08 | elg | my herbs last year grew in 6" of dirt no problem |
| 19:16.07 | levi | One of the reviewers on amazon.com said he tried it out, and although the stuff grew, it was his worst yield year and had the most insect problems, etc. And he recommended the Vegetable Gardener's Bible. |
| 19:18.16 | elg | the mel book has a nice appendix on the common stuff people grow, with charts (based on frost date) for when to plant, when they'll be producing, etc. |
| 19:18.40 | levi | Yeah, though I understand the previous version had more in-depth data like that. |
| 19:19.34 | elg | so I understand as well |
| 19:20.44 | elg | aside from the silliness of mel (which I find amusing but not a problem) I am impressed with the book and method. we will see if it works for us this summer |
| 19:21.32 | elg | i remember a lot of compost and peat moss growing up |
| 19:22.16 | elg | and large rocks for landscaping. those are hard to forget |
| 19:22.56 | elg | she'd take us on trips to nat'l forest with a rock permit and pick out the biggest, most obnoxious rocks to carry |
| 19:24.29 | levi | Who's 'she'? |
| 19:24.34 | elg | my mom |
| 19:24.40 | levi | Ah, okay. |
| 19:25.07 | levi | I remember some tomatos and strawberries a long, long time ago, but my family didn't garden much after that. |
| 19:26.05 | maquis | heh.. |
| 19:26.30 | findlay | -chat advise |
| 19:26.31 | brac | advise went |
| 19:27.05 | maquis | i was reading these books on emergency preparedness, and got a laugh out of the fact that one of the books was by this lady in manti (and various things she said sounded *very* much like stuff that i'd heard in 5th-sunday lessons), and the other book was a guy whose first name was James, and his middle name was Talmage... |
| 19:30.44 | unum | speaking of gardening does anyone keep their recipes online? |
| 19:30.48 | sinuhe | maquis: What's a 5th-sunday lesson? |
| 19:31.22 | unum | I'm guessing in his ward it's usually about emergency preparedness |
| 19:31.25 | maquis | sinuhe: it's a lesson on the 5th sunday of the month in church. sometimes it's about food storage (has been a lot for my area) |
| 19:32.09 | sinuhe | maquis: Which church? |
| 19:32.42 | unum | lds |
| 19:32.53 | findlay | FLDS, obviously |
| 19:33.19 | sinuhe | Interesting |
| 19:33.45 | findlay | hehe |
| 19:34.39 | sinuhe | Is there some millenarian significane to emergency preparedness as a sunday school lesson, or is a public service kind of thing? |
| 19:34.45 | sinuhe | s/ne/nce/ |
| 19:35.01 | unum | depends on who's teaching that sunday :) |
| 19:35.07 | sinuhe | lol |
| 19:35.27 | unum | when the general leaders of the church talk about it, they often talk about it in context of losing your job |
| 19:35.36 | maquis | honestly, i think it's very useful in terms of self-sufficiency in the case of personal emergencies |
| 19:35.48 | maquis | because i've known too many people who got hit by personal emergencies |
| 19:35.53 | unum | local leaders often point out we are in an earth quake area |
| 19:36.25 | sinuhe | dreads the 8 rictor dead trap that awaits us |
| 19:36.30 | sinuhe | s/dead/death/ |
| 19:36.43 | maquis | doesn't like earthquakes |
| 19:36.56 | maquis | they're scary |
| 19:37.17 | sinuhe | Of course, tornadoes romping by my house was never expected, and I've only barely felt one of the 3 rictors I've experienced. |
| 19:37.26 | levi | sinuhe: There's definitely a 'be prepared for the last days' flavor to it, but it's more focused on natural disasters and the sorts of immediate emergencies that might come up. |
| 19:37.44 | levi | It's Richter, BTW. |
| 19:37.56 | sinuhe | s/rictor/richter/g |
| 19:38.04 | sinuhe | levi: Danke schoen |
| 19:39.20 | sjansen | Or course, tomatoes romping by my house was never expected, and I've only barley felt one the 3 [potato] ricers I've experienced. |
| 19:40.53 | sinuhe | The whole "last days," "Left Behind" idea never took for my understanding of parousia. |
| 19:40.57 | sinuhe | sjansen: groan |
| 19:42.11 | findlay | well, I for one was quite disappointed y2k never happened. I was all prepared for a good show |
| 19:42.18 | findlay | I want my money back |
| 19:44.19 | elg | -chat your mom |
| 19:44.20 | brac | your mom on the Internet contains all three machines.....on one monitor...with one keyboard and mouse. |
| 19:44.33 | elg | übermom! |
| 19:58.51 | elg | some day I think I'll get me a tablet, and make presentations in digital freehand (with inserted diagrams) |
| 20:00.31 | sjansen | wishes he had an excuse to use a Pico ITX board |
| 20:00.40 | Tene | also |
| 20:01.11 | levi | elg: You can buy one of those MacBook tablet conversions. ;) |
| 20:01.12 | findlay | look at a MB through a telescope |
| 20:01.22 | elg | no, i don't want a tablet laptop |
| 20:01.48 | levi | What kind of tablet? |
| 20:01.59 | elg | stuff like what wacom makes |
| 20:01.59 | elg | http://www.wacom.com/index2.cfm |
| 20:02.07 | levi | Ahh, okay. |
| 20:02.18 | elg | my brother in law (an artist) has one, it's pretty slick |
| 20:02.37 | elg | most comics are done on tablets these days I'd guess. |
| 20:02.45 | elg | i know dilbert is |
| 20:02.57 | levi | Yeah, I've always lusted after those, even though I have absoltuely no artistic talent, nor the fine motor control in my hands necessary to draw or paint or whatever. |
| 20:03.56 | elg | I think even stick figures and handwritten bullet points (assuming you can print legibly) trump even the coolest font and slide transition effects |
| 20:04.27 | elg | I went to a colloquium here a few weeks back and the presenter had done all his slides by hand on transparencies |
| 20:04.34 | levi | The legibility of my printing varies widely. |
| 20:04.55 | elg | he was not a bad artist either, but just the approachability of the material was amazing |
| 20:05.07 | elg | plus I think doing it by hand encourages brevity |
| 20:05.10 | levi | I think the ability to draw stuff on-the-fly in response to the audience needs would be great. |
| 20:05.54 | elg | yeah, but by golly don't erase transparency marker by licking your finger and smearing it everywhere! |
| 20:06.05 | levi | Oh, yeah. |
| 20:08.43 | sjansen | Why does Windows suck so much? |
| 20:09.00 | levi | Apparently Randall Munroe draws his stick figures on the fly during his presentations. |
| 20:09.12 | sjansen | HP has an online teaching environment. Students can use Windows/Mac OS/Linux but instructors have to use Windows. |
| 20:09.43 | sjansen | I'm getting really tired of Windows blinking at me to tell a window needs attention when its a blatant lie. |
| 20:11.42 | RyanE | sjansen: no, it *wants* attention. Your less-used windows are getting lonely. |
| 20:13.01 | sjansen | I know part of the problem is that I've never spent much time on Windows, but using it is like death by a million paper cuts. There's so many little ways its UI is worse than GNOME. |
| 20:13.49 | sjansen | For example, we added a third-party thingy to get virtual desktops in Windows, but even the virtual desktops are worse. |
| 20:14.37 | utahcon | hasn't seen Virtual Desktops in Windows worth using |
| 20:17.48 | fozzmoo | sjansen: Worse then GNOME?! |
| 20:18.08 | fozzmoo | Yeah, I guess I can see that. |
| 20:21.39 | bonez45 | is there any way, in windows or linux...to prevent windows from jumping to top Z-level, .. i.e., at the front...? sometimes I'll be entering stuff, while loading another app, and it jumps up and interrupts my entry |
| 20:22.18 | findlay | bonez45: ooh, I hate that :) |
| 20:22.35 | findlay | I don't think you can prevent it on windows though |
| 20:23.08 | findlay | most decent window managers will let you customize stuff like that |
| 20:24.06 | bonez45 | ok.... |
| 20:27.40 | sjansen | clear + clean = clearn |
| 20:28.29 | sjansen | bonez45: Use a decent window manager. GNOME's Metacity isn't too bad (now that I have its maintainer a steak dinner for fixing it). |
| 20:31.31 | Tene | sjansen: what fix did you buy with that? |
| 20:32.06 | tensai | that was the one the focus problem he moaned and complained about, I bet |
| 20:32.30 | findlay | -chat steak dinner |
| 20:32.31 | brac | steak dinner to celebrate solstice |
| 20:33.00 | tensai | -chat fix it |
| 20:33.01 | brac | fix it that way in gpg to move the batch file habit |
| 20:35.51 | sjansen | tensai: yep, somewhere there's a blog entry about it |
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| 20:47.39 | harleypig | AGHHHHHH!!!! WOMEN SUCK! |
| 20:48.15 | harleypig | Ummm ... and, for you pervs, that's not meant the way it might sound. |
| 20:48.33 | thaddeusq | Not all Women do. |
| 20:48.44 | harleypig | meh |
| 20:48.47 | harleypig | I'm venting. |
| 20:49.14 | thaddeusq | vent away. |
| 20:49.20 | harleypig | :/ |
| 20:49.52 | Tene | Argh. Metacity's window-placement algorithm is so braindead. |
| 20:49.54 | harleypig | Not much point in venting much beyond that anyway. |
| 20:50.15 | harleypig | I'll just say that the comparison between men and women and dogs and cats is an apt one. |
| 20:50.25 | harleypig | You can beat the shit out of a dog and he'll still love you. |
| 20:50.36 | harleypig | A cat'll rip up your furniture just to sharpen its claws. |
| 20:51.21 | thaddeusq | I don't know any humans that if you beat the s**t out of them won't love you anymore. |
| 20:51.42 | thaddeusq | s/won't/will/ |
| 20:52.27 | Tene | thaddeusq: I've got a friendship that regularly involves beating the shit out of each other, and we still love each other. |
| 20:52.58 | thaddeusq | Tene: Apparently I don't know you or your friend. |
| 20:53.40 | Tene | Apparently. |
| 20:53.43 | findlay | got his new strings yesterday |
| 20:55.26 | harleypig | thaddeusq: one of my best friends I found in a bar fight ... we nearly killed each other. |
| 20:56.11 | ^Migs^ | Some husbands beat the s**t out of their wives and they still love them |
| 20:56.20 | harleypig | ^Migs^: that's not the same thing. |
| 20:56.31 | ^Migs^ | husbands and wives aren't humans? |
| 20:56.39 | harleypig | not the same thing as love. |
| 20:56.51 | harleypig | well ... |
| 20:56.57 | harleypig | it's poisened love. |
| 20:57.04 | thaddeusq | ^Migs^: I disagree. I don't think they still love them, I think they are scared of leaving. They can't see themselves making it on their own. |
| 20:57.10 | ^Migs^ | yet love nonetheless. |
| 20:57.21 | harleypig | IN ANY CASE ... the cats and dogs thing is an allegory that fits my mood! |
| 20:57.22 | harleypig | :P |
| 20:57.27 | ^Migs^ | I don't know. My wife's cousin's boyfriend abuses her constantly, yet she still claims to "love him." |
| 20:57.46 | thaddeusq | "claims" being the key word there. |
| 20:58.09 | ^Migs^ | I don't think there's much physical abuse, though |
| 20:58.09 | ^Migs^ | no. I can only say "claims" because I'm not her. |
| 20:58.09 | ^Migs^ | it's not a validation of your theory. |
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| 21:00.19 | thaddeusq | looks forward to going home to his beautiful wife, his children, and his house with the white picket fence. |
| 21:00.45 | ^Migs^ | yeah, I don't understand the whole abusive man thing |
| 21:01.03 | ^Migs^ | why not just punch an inflatable clown or something? |
| 21:01.16 | ^Migs^ | or take some medication |
| 21:01.20 | harleypig | yeah! twist the knife thaddeusq! :> |
| 21:01.49 | thaddeusq | tosses some salt in harleypig's direction. |
| 21:02.48 | harleypig | :D |
| 21:02.59 | harleypig | How about some lemon juice too. |
| 21:43.45 | harleypig | ugh ... this code wasn't grown organically |
| 21:43.52 | harleypig | it was beaten until it whimpered uncle |
| 21:51.04 | tensai | harleypig: but does it still love you? |
| 22:14.00 | harleypig | tensai: probably not ... but it might still love whoever beat it into submission |
| 22:14.04 | harleypig | in a sick twisted way |
| 22:14.12 | harleypig | cause it's not givin' up its secrets easily. |
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| 22:40.48 | levi | Best music video ever: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFGzGfym-7Y |
| 22:40.56 | lakshmi | er |
| 22:43.44 | Tene | levi: you see eliezer's response to that MWI/Libertarian thing? |
| 22:44.02 | Tene | http://www.overcomingbias.com/2008/05/science-doesnt.html |
| 22:44.03 | levi | Tene: Nope. |
| 22:46.30 | goozbach | how long has twitter been down? |
| 22:46.39 | Tene | goozbach: three days |
| 22:48.38 | goozbach | really? |
| 22:48.41 | goozbach | why? |
| 22:48.45 | goozbach | did they fold? |
| 22:49.03 | goozbach | why haven't I heard more stink about this? |
| 22:49.27 | goozbach | and how did I not notice until just now :? |
| 22:52.24 | maquis | goozbach: maybe you didn't hear stink about it because twitter is your primary source of stink? |
| 22:55.56 | goozbach | I haven't logged into twitter for three days. |
| 22:55.58 | goozbach | or more |
| 23:01.52 | Supaplex | ~echelon fodder |
| 23:01.53 | ibot | echelon fodder is probably Bush, Uranium, Dirty Bomb, Jihad, Allah Akbar, TNT, Rent a van, assassination , NSA, wiretaps, sleeper cell, suicide bomb, vest, Oklahoma City, Waco, revenge, anthrax, virgins, fuse, great celebration, July 4th, detcord, martyr, timer, backpack, subway. Ruby Ridge |
| 23:08.34 | levi | shakes Jesse. "Social" is not a proper noun! |
| 23:14.12 | harleypig | ibot, echelon is also FLDS |
| 23:14.12 | ibot | harleypig: okay |
| 23:14.19 | harleypig | ~echelon fodder |
| 23:14.19 | ibot | from memory, echelon fodder is Bush, Uranium, Dirty Bomb, Jihad, Allah Akbar, TNT, Rent a van, assassination , NSA, wiretaps, sleeper cell, suicide bomb, vest, Oklahoma City, Waco, revenge, anthrax, virgins, fuse, great celebration, July 4th, detcord, martyr, timer, backpack, subway. Ruby Ridge |
| 23:14.24 | harleypig | meh |
| 23:20.16 | Supaplex | ibot: literal echelon fodder |
| 23:20.17 | ibot | "echelon fodder" is "Bush, Uranium, Dirty Bomb, Jihad, Allah Akbar, TNT, Rent a van, assassination , NSA, wiretaps, sleeper cell, suicide bomb, vest, Oklahoma City, Waco, revenge, anthrax, virgins, fuse, great celebration, July 4th, detcord, martyr, timer, backpack, subway. Ruby Ridge" |
| 23:21.06 | maquis | -chat |
| 23:21.13 | brac | I have an unshaven hippy spending all my servers before they graduated. |
| 23:21.16 | maquis | -chat maquis |
| 23:21.16 | brac | maquis went to the spoils of girlfriendness |
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| 23:42.05 | jgiboney | Can anyone tell me why my email server is not sending email from this log http://pastebin.com/d33c1bd82 |
| 23:43.13 | jgiboney | I think I am getting blocked by gmail, and byu and maybe others |
| 23:46.12 | jgiboney | if I created my own certificate would emails get blocked by gmail? |
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