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| 01:03.07 | Zelut | where is spr these days? |
| 01:12.01 | Supaplex | http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm318/DasutinD/ebay_shower.jpg |
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| 01:20.31 | lakshmi | hey |
| 01:23.35 | Supaplex | whaT? |
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| 02:16.49 | jgiboney | I am having a problem with dovecot... it says it load the certificate file, but I can't figure out why |
| 02:17.13 | nick125 | jgiboney: Can the dovecot user read the certificate file? |
| 02:17.15 | sinuhe | jgiboney: It loads the cert file what? |
| 02:17.33 | jgiboney | i don't know if the user can, let me check |
| 02:20.08 | jgiboney | okay, how do I find out if the dovecot user can read the file? |
| 02:23.42 | nick125 | jgiboney: Check the permissions, su to the dovecot user, etc. |
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| 02:25.29 | jgiboney | permission is -rw-r----- 1 root vmail 41306 .... |
| 02:50.34 | sontek | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TI6PA4v6dZg&hl=en |
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| 03:06.59 | elg | announces that he had a dead battery and anything you telled me since 5:30 i didn't see |
| 03:14.31 | goozbach | elg: didn't miss anything |
| 03:14.41 | elg | no i suppose not |
| 03:14.50 | elg | tensai: i made rellenos tonight |
| 03:15.06 | elg | i did a little camcordering, but I was in a hurry and so I don't know how well it turned out |
| 03:15.16 | elg | but they were a bonafide hit at the potluck |
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| 03:28.31 | Sargun | haha |
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| 04:04.39 | levi | Has anyone here set up screen to accept ^? as backspace? |
| 04:23.37 | levi | Ahh, xterm-color has kbs set to ^H, while xterm has it set to ^? |
| 04:23.42 | levi | That's screwy. |
| 04:26.19 | levi | Yay, I can backspace in emacs through screen on my Mac. |
| 04:35.14 | maquis | urgh... stupid apache |
| 04:35.17 | maquis | stupid stupid apache |
| 04:35.49 | maquis | it's not a bad request |
| 04:35.57 | maquis | it's a perfectly normal request, and i'm not trying to use ssl |
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| 04:38.36 | ECRS401 | pounces Spuzzy |
| 04:38.41 | Spuzzy | ack |
| 04:41.19 | Supaplex | RST |
| 04:41.53 | ECRS401 | ? |
| 04:42.16 | Supaplex | tcp :) |
| 04:45.57 | maquis | any debian gurus around? |
| 04:46.12 | maquis | i'm having some aptitude issues, probably due to lack of skill |
| 04:46.59 | Spuzzy | sorry. I'm not a guru of anything |
| 04:47.31 | Supaplex | maquis: what kind of aptitude issues? |
| 04:47.34 | ECRS401 | your a spuzz guru :-) |
| 04:47.50 | Spuzzy | lol. who knows spuzz better than spuzzy |
| 04:47.52 | maquis | Supaplex: trying to install php4-pgsql |
| 04:48.01 | maquis | but it depends on libpq4 |
| 04:48.12 | maquis | which i can't seem to get because aptitude will only let me get libpq5 |
| 04:48.18 | ECRS401 | well off to work, will be back later when mobile |
| 04:48.24 | maquis | i'm trying to upgrade to php5 to see if that works better |
| 04:48.24 | Spuzzy | see ya |
| 04:48.45 | maquis | but i kinda manually installed libpq5, and now i can't remove it because it wants to remove postgresql and apache and all that |
| 04:49.20 | Supaplex | you manually installed it from source? or apt+friends? |
| 04:49.26 | Supaplex | bbiam |
| 04:49.31 | maquis | aptitude |
| 04:49.56 | maquis | manually is the wrong word |
| 04:51.23 | maquis | looks like php5-pgsql installs after i upgrade to php5 |
| 04:51.29 | maquis | not sure if everything else will work, though |
| 04:52.04 | Supaplex | this must be in testing or newer |
| 04:53.32 | maquis | w00t! |
| 04:53.33 | maquis | yeah |
| 04:53.34 | maquis | testing |
| 04:53.37 | maquis | i got my site up! |
| 04:53.53 | maquis | kind-of |
| 04:53.56 | maquis | i got part of my site up |
| 04:56.17 | Spuzzy | yawns |
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| 04:57.44 | maquis | hmmm |
| 04:57.52 | maquis | why does admin.tuxgirl.com not resolve to my box? |
| 05:00.34 | Sargun | what is your DNS server |
| 05:00.43 | Sargun | xbmodder@god ~ $ host admin.tuxgirl.com |
| 05:00.43 | Sargun | Host admin.tuxgirl.com not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) |
| 05:01.23 | maquis | yeah |
| 05:01.24 | Sargun | macnewbold, bad record? |
| 05:01.26 | maquis | i'm trying to figure out why |
| 05:01.31 | Sargun | maquis, Call zoneedit |
| 05:01.45 | Sargun | Slap them around. |
| 05:01.59 | Sargun | maquis, It is their fault. |
| 05:02.06 | Sargun | Blame them. |
| 05:02.46 | maquis | sargun: i'm working on it |
| 05:03.08 | Sargun | maquis, why don't you host your own DNS? |
| 05:03.29 | maquis | Sargun: because i don't yet :) |
| 05:04.48 | Sargun | yet? |
| 05:04.59 | maquis | i might eventually, but i haven't set it up |
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| 05:16.18 | maquis | ha |
| 05:16.18 | maquis | it's up |
| 05:18.50 | Sargun | uh |
| 05:59.24 | Supaplex | hummm bootnic... |
| 06:05.10 | Sargun | bootnic? |
| 06:06.58 | Supaplex | I'm trying to find my old dos boot disks with various network card utilities. I have yet to find a linux way to enable the bootrom for the 3c905b-tx pci card. The etherboot utilities ships with some source to flash the firmware (which works so far). |
| 06:07.17 | Supaplex | I have the firmware flashed already, but unless the bootrom is enabled, the nic ignores it. |
| 06:10.33 | maquis | ~convert 20.90 CNY to USD |
| 06:10.42 | maquis | ooh... that's not a bad price |
| 06:11.05 | maquis | wonder how much shipping would be |
| 06:11.31 | maquis | (maybe i should start by wondering whether i an figure out how to create an account) |
| 06:15.04 | Sargun | ~convert 1 USD to CND |
| 06:15.12 | Sargun | ~convert 1 USD to CDN |
| 06:15.21 | Sargun | ~convert 1 USD to CD |
| 06:19.45 | maquis | hmmm |
| 06:20.00 | maquis | ~convert 89 CNY to USD |
| 06:20.09 | maquis | ah... i guess that's not that bad after all |
| 06:21.08 | maquis | ooh! i found the wish list functionality! |
| 06:21.46 | findlay | Supaplex: is that like a contemporary beatnick? |
| 06:23.51 | Supaplex | I suppose |
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| 11:58.51 | Spuzzy | yawns |
| 12:24.35 | Sargun | hi |
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| 13:16.00 | Sargun_screen | gshipley: Hello |
| 13:16.16 | gshipley | Sargun_screen: hey |
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| 14:42.42 | ECRS401 | yawns |
| 14:42.58 | Spuzzy | pokes ECRS401 in the butt |
| 14:49.06 | ECRS401 | ahhh |
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| 14:58.49 | ^Migs^ | this is sweet |
| 15:00.11 | ^Migs^ | I set my 5 year-old up with an ooVoo account |
| 15:00.25 | ^Migs^ | now she has access to a "DaddyCam" while I'm at work |
| 15:02.03 | fozzmoo | ^Migs^: How does ooVoo do with Linux? |
| 15:02.23 | ^Migs^ | no Linux port yet, but supposedly they're working on it |
| 15:02.30 | ^Migs^ | just Windows and Mac, for whatever bizarre reason |
| 15:02.36 | fozzmoo | blah blah blah |
| 15:03.06 | ^Migs^ | if you want a one-way stream, you could just set up an Icecast server and use VLC to stream Theora+Vorbis |
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| 15:03.29 | jsmith | Yeah, and Duke Nukem Forever will be in Walmart next week... uh huh... |
| 15:03.46 | ^Migs^ | yeah, supposedly they've been working on a Linux port for over a year |
| 15:03.57 | ^Migs^ | I'm not holding my breath |
| 15:04.01 | jsmith | Oh, and Enlightenment is releasing 0.18 next month too ;-) |
| 15:04.04 | fozzmoo | heh. |
| 15:04.47 | jsmith | I don't care if someone has been working on something for a year... if it can't be done in a year (in software, in general), something is terribly wrong ;-) |
| 15:05.23 | ^Migs^ | agreed |
| 15:05.57 | ^Migs^ | it's still neat |
| 15:08.17 | fozzmoo | http://townhall.com/funnies/2008/05/10/3 |
| 15:08.27 | findlay | jsmith: haha |
| 15:08.32 | ECRS401 | hey Migs |
| 15:08.37 | ECRS401 | told you i would be here |
| 15:09.23 | ^Migs^ | good thing you showed up. |
| 15:09.44 | ^Migs^ | it would have been disastrous for you if you hadn't |
| 15:09.58 | ECRS401 | was here at 1am too |
| 15:10.01 | ECRS401 | but no one was awake |
| 15:10.59 | unum | hey ECRS401 where are you living in Murray? |
| 15:11.28 | ECRS401 | between 45th and 39th, just off state |
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| 15:12.35 | unum | do you work with a jacob? |
| 15:12.59 | unum | I think he works nights there as well |
| 15:13.03 | ^Migs^ | I've never met a jacob I didn't like |
| 15:13.05 | ECRS401 | im contract security at ARUP, but talks are we are going inhouse |
| 15:13.13 | unum | ah |
| 15:13.23 | ECRS401 | so he may work there, but i would need a last name to verify |
| 15:13.25 | unum | I know a couple of the day time blood testers |
| 15:13.43 | sinuhe | ECRS401: That's where I live. It's quite nice there. |
| 15:13.58 | ECRS401 | i know most of the cute college girls that run around up there, but thats bout it |
| 15:14.01 | unum | there's a few of us murrayites in here now |
| 15:14.02 | ECRS401 | sinuhe, cool |
| 15:14.16 | ECRS401 | i like Murray, but i hate this apt complex |
| 15:15.33 | sinuhe | ECRS401: Which complex? |
| 15:15.41 | ECRS401 | Country Lake |
| 15:16.08 | utahcon | Country Lake is packed... never any parking |
| 15:16.28 | ECRS401 | nope, espcially when we have 4 ppl in 1 apt and everyone drives |
| 15:17.03 | utahcon | My buddy lives there an no fail whenever we play poker I have to park out on 300 |
| 15:17.06 | ECRS401 | soon as me and Spuzzy can find a good house for rent, we're out of here |
| 15:17.10 | Spuzzy | yep yep |
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| 15:18.01 | utahcon | Spuzzy? |
| 15:18.13 | Spuzzy | yes? |
| 15:18.20 | utahcon | oh |
| 15:18.20 | utahcon | lol |
| 15:18.23 | Spuzzy | lol |
| 15:18.23 | utahcon | missed you were in here |
| 15:18.28 | Spuzzy | everyone misses me |
| 15:18.32 | Spuzzy | I'm a stealth ninja |
| 15:19.01 | utahcon | shhh |
| 15:19.02 | utahcon | don't tell |
| 15:20.09 | utahcon | is looking at new apts too |
| 15:20.23 | utahcon | for some reason the 80x80 pixel previews don't help |
| 15:20.37 | findlay | roomates? |
| 15:20.40 | levi | http://scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=326 |
| 15:20.43 | ECRS401 | im sick of a apt, im ready for a actual house |
| 15:20.46 | ECRS401 | findlay, engaged |
| 15:20.52 | findlay | I'll only be your roomate if you subsidize my rent |
| 15:20.58 | findlay | ;) |
| 15:21.10 | findlay | ECRS401: lucky |
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| 15:21.15 | findlay | </Napoleon> |
| 15:21.31 | Tene | findlay refused to be my roommate. He thinks he's too cool for me. |
| 15:21.39 | ECRS401 | oh, i thought you were asking if me and Spuzzy were roommates |
| 15:21.40 | levi | The above link is food for thought for libertarians, many-worlds quantum theorists, or people who converse with the same. ;) |
| 15:21.43 | ECRS401 | but yea we are engaged |
| 15:22.10 | findlay | engaged to Spuzzy? |
| 15:22.17 | ECRS401 | yea |
| 15:22.35 | ECRS401 | since '06 |
| 15:22.46 | findlay | I was afrait I'd be blinded by Tene's coolness |
| 15:22.50 | findlay | s/t/d/ |
| 15:23.08 | utahcon | Engaged since '06... |
| 15:23.12 | findlay | besides, I'm moving in with my parents this fall anyway, living on the cheap |
| 15:23.15 | utahcon | it's um... 08 |
| 15:23.19 | utahcon | ;) |
| 15:23.24 | ECRS401 | yea? |
| 15:23.34 | utahcon | how long you planning on staying engaged? |
| 15:23.40 | ECRS401 | im still waiting on my divorce from the bitch |
| 15:23.53 | utahcon | ah |
| 15:23.54 | utahcon | lol |
| 15:24.01 | utahcon | I hear that all to often any more |
| 15:24.01 | Spuzzy | hopefully until this fall or sometime soon |
| 15:24.06 | utahcon | I am so glad my divorce was fast |
| 15:24.09 | ECRS401 | and it was end of 06 (Nov) so |
| 15:24.22 | Spuzzy | she's dragging it out |
| 15:24.48 | findlay | so much conjugal turbulance |
| 15:24.59 | findlay | and now you're all getting married again |
| 15:25.08 | Tene | levi: http://www.overcomingbias.com/2008/05/collapse-postul.html -- Collapse Postulate |
| 15:25.14 | utahcon | findlay: I was married less than a year from my divorce |
| 15:25.14 | ECRS401 | well, the first one happened after knowing each other 2 weeks |
| 15:25.19 | ECRS401 | this one is a lot different |
| 15:25.23 | Tene | levi: and http://www.overcomingbias.com/2008/05/many-worlds-one.html -- MWI |
| 15:28.21 | levi | Tene: And you're probably a stinkin' Libertarian too, eh? ;) |
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| 15:28.54 | fozzmoo | levi: One of those two. |
| 15:29.19 | Tene | levi: I don't know too much about what libertarians believe. |
| 15:29.56 | Tene | I don't recall ever disagreeing too violently with fozzmoo, though. |
| 15:32.27 | ECRS401 | so, the ones in Murray, ages? just curious |
| 15:32.29 | ECRS401 | 25 here |
| 15:32.31 | Spuzzy | 22 |
| 15:33.06 | levi | I really don't have a horse in the quantum theory interpretation race, myself. But I'm not a fan of Libertarian thought. |
| 15:34.12 | levi | The interesting thing about the blog entry I linked to is that sometimes the bullet-swallowers are *right*. |
| 15:34.21 | tensai | ECRS401: watch the language please. we try to keep this channel clean. |
| 15:34.24 | levi | But not always. :) |
| 15:34.27 | Tene | From what I've seen, the evidence against the collapse postulate is pretty significant, and the only real objection to MWI is "That sounds weird." |
| 15:34.37 | Sargun | 42 |
| 15:35.01 | ECRS401 | tensai, sorry, wasnt posted and no one said anything last night about it |
| 15:36.22 | Tene | But, yeah, I was curious if those documents seemed to match the "bullet swallower" theme |
| 15:38.42 | levi | Well, I think they do, in the sense that the logical conclusion of the reasoning is a fairly counter-intuitive result. It makes perfect sense given the line of reasoning, but it's hard to swallow nonetheless, and there's no real evidence either way. |
| 15:41.14 | tensai | ECRS401: not a big deal. just lettin' you know. |
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| 15:46.54 | ^Migs^ | remember, we know where you live now. |
| 15:47.06 | ECRS401 | heh, that doesnt bother me |
| 15:47.26 | ^Migs^ | oh it should. Nothing could be worse than being mobrushed by a swarm of Linux geeks. |
| 15:47.42 | ^Migs^ | we'll replace you and your entire family with small shell scripts |
| 15:48.10 | ECRS401 | i run linux too, linux geeks dont scare me |
| 15:48.20 | ^Migs^ | oh IT'S ON THEN |
| 15:48.54 | ECRS401 | :-) |
| 15:49.10 | ECRS401 | and you know the complex, not the apt or even building |
| 15:49.18 | ECRS401 | there is a lot of ppl here |
| 15:49.30 | tensai | look for the one with the penguin in the window |
| 15:49.39 | Spuzzy | and alot of ppl that LOOK like us. ;) |
| 15:49.55 | ECRS401 | heh, no penguins in my windows |
| 15:50.07 | Spuzzy | I made him take em down. :p |
| 15:52.41 | jgiboney | I got my mail server all set up and i can telnet into pop, but I can't do it with thunderbird, mail.log doesn't have any errors, what could be wrong? |
| 15:53.31 | tensai | jgiboney: are you sure thunderbird is connecting? sounds like a thunderbird config issue. |
| 15:53.51 | tensai | jgiboney: I would fire up tcpdump on the mail server and see what hits port 110 |
| 15:54.46 | jgiboney | ya, that is what I thought, thunderbird gives me this message:sending of password did not succeed. Mail server ... responded: Authentication failed |
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| 15:58.26 | jgiboney | lol, i installed tcpdump, then typed tcpdump, and now it is running through a ton of stuff, how long will it last? |
| 15:59.17 | findlay | forever |
| 15:59.26 | Tene | jgiboney: are you running it locally or on a remote system over ssh? |
| 15:59.31 | jgiboney | over ssh |
| 15:59.31 | findlay | heh |
| 15:59.37 | Tene | then findlay is right |
| 15:59.41 | jgiboney | lol |
| 15:59.49 | jgiboney | can i stop it? |
| 15:59.53 | findlay | `tcpdump ! port ssh` |
| 16:00.01 | goozbach | he he |
| 16:00.01 | Tene | ctrl+c |
| 16:00.06 | jgiboney | thanks |
| 16:00.17 | findlay | remembers the first time he ran tcpdump over ssh |
| 16:00.17 | jgiboney | okay, how do i check port 110 |
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| 16:00.31 | findlay | `tcpdump port 110` |
| 16:00.34 | Tene | tcpdump port 110 |
| 16:00.46 | findlay | ~port Tene |
| 16:02.05 | Tene | ~findlay findlay |
| 16:02.06 | ibot | ACTION recreationally nmaps findlay with abandon |
| 16:02.26 | findlay | ~tene Tene |
| 16:02.26 | ibot | ACTION h4x0rz Tene onto parrot |
| 16:06.14 | jgiboney | here is the output from tcpdump http://expresslanevideo.com/transfer/tcpdump.jpg |
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| 16:12.36 | unum | ECRS401: I'm 29 and was just pretty close to your place |
| 16:12.46 | unum | the it manager had me follow him over to the nissan dealer |
| 16:13.58 | ECRS401 | cool |
| 16:18.03 | tensai | jgiboney: that shows there's definitely some traffic |
| 16:18.27 | jgiboney | ya, i think it was the username... sorry |
| 16:19.01 | jgiboney | i didn't realize that the way i set it up i had to include the domain in the username |
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| 16:38.18 | bonez45 | does the recent iProvo fiasco spell doom for the rest of the project, in other cities? |
| 16:38.38 | levi | iProvo isn't related to Utopia, IIRC. |
| 16:40.06 | bonez45 | my mistake....for lumping them together..is / was iProvo a fiber initiative, or was it just a highspeed framework with copper and cable? |
| 16:40.26 | levi | Yes, I believe it was fiber, but I'm not positive. |
| 16:40.47 | bonez45 | ok... |
| 16:41.25 | bonez45 | I realize the expense at the front end is very high.....but .. the dividends.. for business and home....and to draw people...business and residential buyers.. to an area has to be enormous... |
| 16:42.07 | levi | From what I've heard, there has been a not-insignificant draw of business to Utopia cities. |
| 16:42.14 | bonez45 | I can't imagine anyone developing anywhere, without laying out all the latest and fastest fiber....even if dark for a fewyears, so that it's all in place when the market and pricing catch up...to NOT include it would be foolish.... |
| 16:42.33 | levi | Indeed, but developers around here are nothing if not foolish. |
| 16:42.43 | utahcon | indeed levi |
| 16:42.58 | utahcon | The real problem is that it isnt the developers call, it is the providers |
| 16:42.59 | ECRS401 | k, time for a movie, then bed, later yall |
| 16:43.11 | bonez45 | I believe problems exist on all fronts....but Utopia needs to promote it more....and raise awareness of how much better one can get things done with a faster connection |
| 16:44.09 | elg | here's an odd thing |
| 16:44.09 | elg | http://pastebin.com/d7c29aa40 |
| 16:44.15 | elg | libGL.so.1 is in /usr/lib |
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| 16:44.57 | levi | Ahh, autoconf. |
| 16:45.23 | elg | yes, but the oddness in this case seems to be ld |
| 16:45.47 | levi | Well, seemingly so. I wouldn't be surprised if it's some weird environment setup though. |
| 16:46.31 | elg | which is why i exported LDFLAGS=-L/usr/lib |
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| 16:49.05 | elg | i wish autoconf wouldn't put that | at the beginning of the failed programs |
| 16:49.15 | elg | otherwise it'd be easy to cut & paste and try compiling it manually |
| 16:52.41 | bonez45 | elg: have you tried vbox ? just curious |
| 16:53.01 | elg | no |
| 16:56.53 | bonez45 | ok |
| 16:58.10 | elg | more fodder for the binary secure/not secure argument |
| 16:58.11 | elg | cc -o conftest -Wall -W -Wno-unused -Wno-switch -O3 -L/usr/lib conftest.c -lGL |
| 16:58.12 | elg | grr |
| 16:58.15 | elg | http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/2008/msg00152.html |
| 16:58.17 | brac | [[SECURITY] [DSA 1571-1] New openssl packages fix predictable random number generator] |
| 16:58.32 | elg | i think he would have argued ssh was secure |
| 16:59.19 | levi | Hmm? |
| 17:00.26 | fozzmoo | predictable random number generator. Hmmm. |
| 17:00.30 | fozzmoo | Who would have thunk? |
| 17:04.01 | tensai | more readable explanation of it. http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/596 |
| 17:04.43 | findlay | I have a question that will baffle you |
| 17:05.41 | findlay | I have a cron job that tries to wget (or curl) a file from http, but it always times out, whereas when I wget or curl the URL manually it always works |
| 17:06.09 | findlay | I've even swapped the URL with http://google.com/ which will be wgot just fine from cron |
| 17:06.22 | findlay | so, why is wget not working on the file that I want it to? |
| 17:06.27 | findlay | (from cron) |
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| 17:07.48 | findlay | so, are you baffled? |
| 17:08.07 | jnbek | the the wget user agent blocked on the host? |
| 17:08.19 | jnbek | err is? |
| 17:08.26 | findlay | which host? |
| 17:08.37 | jnbek | that you're trying to get said file that times out |
| 17:09.03 | findlay | jnbek: but I can wget the file just fine from the shell |
| 17:09.16 | findlay | wouldn't that send the same User-Agent? |
| 17:09.26 | bonez45 | elg: I often use ssh to connect to work, from home..is it not that secure? what's a better option? |
| 17:09.27 | jnbek | yea probably.. |
| 17:09.37 | elg | yes it's secure |
| 17:09.59 | elg | but if you generated a key on a debian system in the past 2 years you should probably regenerate it |
| 17:10.04 | findlay | I don't think it's blocking user agents, unless apache does it by default |
| 17:10.48 | jnbek | well at work, i get people asking me how to block libwww, so i took a long shot and figured maybe wget too :) |
| 17:11.27 | jnbek | i do doubt though that wget will use a different UA on cron that from shell |
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| 17:14.36 | levi | elg: You'd have to know it was a Debian-generated key to bother trying to break it, wouldn't you? |
| 17:15.04 | elg | i'd think so |
| 17:15.50 | findlay | so it's only affecting Debian? |
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| 17:16.34 | findlay | jnbek: maybe I should check the logs on the server :) |
| 17:16.54 | unum | debian and ubuntu |
| 17:17.17 | jnbek | findlay: yes, that could prove informative, lol |
| 17:18.52 | tensai | levi: the SSH banner proclaims its debian-ness, so it's not a hard thing to deduce |
| 17:19.04 | tensai | e.g. "SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_4.3p2 Debian-9" |
| 17:20.07 | levi | Ahh. |
| 17:20.34 | tensai | I don't see why they would do that, but they did |
| 17:20.35 | unum | hmmm I actually generated all my keys on sarge.... |
| 17:20.41 | unum | then upgraded to etch |
| 17:21.59 | tensai | unum: you might be vulernable to a different issue then. http://tinyurl.com/2w4apm |
| 17:23.27 | unum | tensai: really bad 80's music videos? |
| 17:23.47 | tensai | you know it |
| 17:26.43 | tensai | is there any need to regenerate ssh host keys? I don't think it would matter. |
| 17:27.39 | encryptz | it all comes down to practicality |
| 17:29.57 | encryptz | does anyone really want to hack your ssh keys? is your data that important? |
| 17:30.20 | sjansen | ~lart elg |
| 17:30.20 | ibot | beats elg senseless with a 50lb Unix manual |
| 17:30.35 | sjansen | is teaching in PDT but his stomach in in MDT |
| 17:30.52 | sjansen | elg: That's for making me want feijoada! |
| 17:31.19 | jsmith | sjansen: Now you've got me wanting it... |
| 17:32.22 | unum | tamalli day at baijos! |
| 17:32.48 | goozbach | tamal day? |
| 17:33.04 | goozbach | tamal <- singular for Tamales |
| 17:33.06 | goozbach | :) |
| 17:34.20 | ^Migs^ | what's some good software I can use to create a pretty calendar with flowers and bunnies on it? |
| 17:34.42 | tensai | encryptz: I have data which is worth the cost of regenerating keys, if that step is actually necessary |
| 17:35.28 | tensai | my concern is that somebody will come out with a tool for script kiddies |
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| 17:39.57 | sjansen | ^Migs^: MS Paint |
| 17:40.45 | ^Migs^ | MS Paint is flowers-and-bunnies-capable? |
| 17:40.59 | ^Migs^ | or is it flowers-and-bunnies-ready? |
| 17:42.36 | unum | will open office let you put bunnies and flowers? |
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| 17:46.18 | ^Migs^ | it better or I'll be upset |
| 17:46.43 | bonez45 | bunnies and flowers? who needs them? |
| 17:47.08 | ^Migs^ | my wife is trying to make a calendar for her playgroup |
| 17:47.32 | bonez45 | ah...figured this was a lady project... |
| 17:49.45 | ^Migs^ | nonsense. I appreciate bunnies, flowers, rainbows, kittens, butterflies, and unicorns as much as any girl. |
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| 17:52.03 | bonez45 | ^Migs^: not to denegrate those things..they are fine and I like them too...... |
| 17:52.21 | elg | sjansen: apparently Jayce^ is afraid of it |
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| 17:55.46 | sjansen | ~taunt ^Migs^ and bonez45 for being girly men |
| 17:55.46 | ibot | ACTION taunts ^Migs^ and bonez45 for being girly men a second time |
| 17:56.29 | bonez45 | girly man, eh? not likely..... |
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| 17:57.03 | ^Migs^ | more like secure enough in our masculinity to be able to appreciate so-called "girly things" |
| 17:57.30 | bonez45 | sjansen: I like bunny stew.....and flowers..in my garden, and rainbows after a violent rainstorm.... and...well, I could spin the rest...but no bother |
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| 17:58.02 | fozzmoo | is quite disappointed with Fedora 9 |
| 17:58.38 | JoshH | i like bunnies too.... with steel spikes and rocket launchers strapped to their bodies |
| 17:58.41 | sjansen | http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/funny-pictures-kitten-shook-soda.jpg |
| 17:58.55 | bonez45 | heheh |
| 17:59.10 | sjansen | http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/funny-pictures-troll-car-hating.jpg |
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| 18:47.08 | elg | finally |
| 18:47.12 | elg | tracked down some vermiculite |
| 18:47.19 | elg | that was disproportionately hard |
| 18:47.57 | eggyknap | elg: where? |
| 18:47.59 | tensai | elg: this for your oven? |
| 18:49.06 | elg | no, garden |
| 18:49.09 | elg | eggyknap: a brick yard |
| 18:50.36 | elg | everyone either sold only small expensive bags or was out of stock |
| 18:50.42 | elg | then i thought to call the brickyard |
| 18:50.52 | elg | they have 149 4 ft^3 bags |
| 18:51.01 | elg | for half the price the nurseries wanted |
| 18:51.11 | lobo235 | does anyone know if Tier Four offers co-location services for a server that cannot be rack mounted because it is in a regular desktop case? |
| 18:59.07 | jsmith | lobo235: Yeah, they'll work with you on that. |
| 18:59.16 | jsmith | lobo235: I had a desktop case there for a couple of years |
| 18:59.27 | lobo235 | ok |
| 19:00.17 | lobo235 | jsmith, do you have any idea how much it will cost me to co-locate the box there and how much bandwidth costs? |
| 19:00.51 | lobo235 | jsmith, what were you paying if you don't mind me asking |
| 19:00.51 | jsmith | lobo235: Nope... even if I had to guess, I'd probably be wrong. Why don't you just call them? |
| 19:01.02 | lobo235 | jsmith, I have emailed them |
| 19:02.55 | findlay | elg: is that the stuff you use to patch a beryllium sphere? |
| 19:11.03 | synic | is it possible/legal to run OS X on vmware server running in linux? |
| 19:11.34 | sjansen | IANAL, but I think it's legal on Apple hardware. |
| 19:12.32 | synic | mmk |
| 19:23.05 | elg | possible? maybe, but probably not out of the box |
| 19:23.30 | findlay | which box? |
| 19:24.06 | elg | the one with the blue pill |
| 19:26.18 | findlay | does it remind you to take the green pill? |
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| 19:26.38 | findlay | nick125_eee: how's it going? |
| 19:26.57 | nick125_eee | findlay: Alright, and you? |
| 19:27.34 | elg | unwell, thank you |
| 19:27.56 | findlay | last time I got as far as figuring out how to cross compile a kernel, from there I should be able to boot a stage 3 and be running |
| 19:28.27 | elg | findlay: no, green is only offered in liquid form now |
| 19:28.31 | elg | but since there is no spoon... |
| 19:28.47 | findlay | in the meantime I've made a few nice improvements to my xfce experience that I'll take with me |
| 19:29.32 | findlay | nick125_eee: and I figured out the POSIX locale issue with debian. The problem was $LANG was left unset so it went to the default locale |
| 19:30.05 | findlay | ~praise /etc/env.d |
| 19:30.06 | ibot | All hail /etc/env.d! |
| 19:30.45 | findlay | elg: but where does Barbara Striesand figure into all of this? |
| 19:30.57 | elg | "I'm tired of being awesome. Can't I be awful for a day? |
| 19:31.19 | elg | on a clear day you might be able to see a spoon. |
| 19:37.42 | sjansen | The cake is a lie. |
| 19:37.47 | sjansen | So is the spoon. |
| 19:37.54 | peno | the cake is a spy |
| 19:37.54 | findlay | cake? I want cake |
| 19:38.42 | findlay | man, why do programs litter my home dir with garbage? |
| 19:39.04 | findlay | gnome and gnome-based apps are especially guilty of this |
| 19:39.38 | findlay | most kde apps that I've dealt with usually put their stuff in ~/.qt or ~/.kde |
| 19:39.52 | elg | i prefer dot directores in ~ |
| 19:40.03 | elg | that's what ~ is for |
| 19:40.05 | sjansen | findlay: Just put "su - -c" in front of every command and it won't happen anymore. |
| 19:40.23 | findlay | elg: yes, but 94 of them is a bit inconsiderate |
| 19:40.32 | elg | you're the one running 94 programs |
| 19:40.33 | elg | get over it |
| 19:40.43 | findlay | no |
| 19:40.47 | findlay | I'm filing a bug |
| 19:40.49 | findlay | somewhere |
| 19:41.19 | sjansen | Dear $DIETY, The Universe is unfair. Could you do something about that? By Friday? |
| 19:42.19 | findlay | bugs.linux.com/bug0x0042/PLZ-undo-unscrupulous-dot-directory-madness-in-my-homedir-KTHXBYE/ |
| 19:43.44 | findlay | aha! So, sjansen, you're saying that the Universe is actually deterministic? |
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| 20:03.23 | findlay | Tene: what do you use, calendar-wise? |
| 20:03.46 | elg | gregorian? julian? mayan? |
| 20:03.58 | goozbach | discordian |
| 20:04.11 | elg | i use unix time |
| 20:04.21 | elg | seconds from the epoch is all you'll ever need |
| 20:04.23 | findlay | a combination Japanese Klingon |
| 20:04.43 | findlay | intarwen time |
| 20:04.50 | findlay | s/n/b/ |
| 20:04.55 | findlay | s/n/b/g |
| 20:05.41 | findlay | nah, Planck units are the future |
| 20:06.06 | unum | I use unum time. number of seconds since I was born |
| 20:06.14 | unum | nothing else really matters. |
| 20:07.03 | findlay | anybody who complains about the floating point overhead for scaling the units into macroscopic reality doesn't have any appreciation for good science |
| 20:07.22 | findlay | ~convert 42 seconds to jiffies |
| 20:07.37 | findlay | ibot: you're using the wrong jiffy |
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| 20:08.05 | findlay | ~jiffy |
| 20:08.05 | ibot | Fast Java RMI-compiler written in C++. URL: http://www.jiffy.de/ |
| 20:08.12 | brac | [Jiffy RMI] |
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| 20:09.20 | findlay | ibot: jiffy is also the Planck time: 1e-44 s |
| 20:09.21 | ibot | findlay: okay |
| 20:09.44 | findlay | - |
| 20:10.14 | ^Migs^ | ~convert 3 miles to jiffies |
| 20:10.32 | ^Migs^ | ~convert 3 jiffies to biffies |
| 20:11.29 | ^Migs^ | ~convert 7 migs to jiffies |
| 20:11.30 | ^Migs^ | <ibot> Operation overload: 1.50030E+79..//~Migs is too awesome to be converted.. |
| 20:12.43 | Tene | findlay: cal(1) |
| 20:13.46 | findlay | Tene: well I installed gcal, but haven't had time to investigate it yet |
| 20:29.34 | JoshH | is there anyway to make ubuntu realize you don't actually need to reboot, and make the blue arrow thing disappear, without deleting the notification area applet? |
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| 20:46.23 | lakshmi | hey yall |
| 20:52.23 | bonez45 | I have a compaq deskpro, older machine..pizza box...it has a pretty good mono speaker inside....how do I turn the PC speaker off...so that I don't hear it? |
| 20:56.48 | bonez45 | ideas? |
| 20:57.02 | findlay | unplug it |
| 20:57.36 | findlay | IMO, a pc speaker is an annoyance from an eariler era |
| 20:58.00 | nick125 | yeah, I'd suggest unplugging it |
| 20:58.20 | nick125 | If it's running Linux and a kernel that has pc speaker support as a module, you can rmmod pcskpr |
| 20:58.30 | bonez45 | ok.... |
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| 21:56.52 | levi | Heh, jwz with craptacular bike advice for SF. |
| 22:14.49 | sjansen | ~advise levi |
| 22:18.22 | sjansen | ibot: No advice? Fine then... |
| 22:18.28 | sjansen | ~consult levi |
| 22:18.30 | goozbach | bonez45: wire snips |
| 22:18.56 | bonez45 | goozbach: ok .. I get the idea |
| 22:21.03 | findlay | decides to try out dojo |
| 22:25.37 | goozbach | ooh bonez45 you could try a .45 (just aim carefully so you don't hit the important bits) |
| 22:27.06 | findlay | ibot: advise $sjansen is <reply> $sjansen: of course, the eigenspinor of casmir forces will compactify prerogative spaces and dilute volition density |
| 22:27.07 | ibot | findlay: okay |
| 22:27.25 | sjansen | aims a .45 at findlay's important bits |
| 22:29.12 | findlay | ~advise sjansen |
| 22:29.13 | ibot | sjansen: of course, the eigenspinor of casmir forces will compactify prerogative spaces and dilute volition density |
| 22:29.49 | findlay | sorry, I couldn't think of a better general advice string |
| 22:29.53 | findlay | I must be tired |
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| 22:49.21 | findlay | ~dojo sjansen |
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| 22:59.55 | findlay | ~advise emcnabb |
| 22:59.56 | ibot | emcnabb: of course, the eigenspinor of casmir forces will compactify prerogative spaces and dilute volition density |
| 23:01.32 | findlay | what's all this about JS being fast in FF3? AllI get is teh slow |
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| 23:03.09 | levi | Well, it's got the new JS engine. I don't think the engine's optimizations are all working yet, though. |
| 23:04.03 | findlay | that definitely sounds like a milestone feature :) |
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| 23:40.10 | goozbach | ok, so fedora 9 is kinda buggy |
| 23:40.39 | goozbach | can't get Xen to install and run, had to manually instal XFCE after I had already chosen it during install... |
| 23:41.24 | findlay | jnbek: I think I figured it out. I had cron jobs running at the same time on the server and client, so before the client could finish downloading, the server had tarred up a new file to replace it leaving apache with a dangling file descriptor |
| 23:57.57 | sjansen | goozbach: And whose fault is that? |
| 23:58.18 | sjansen | goozbach: It's yours isn't. _You_ should have tested one of the betas and reported bugs. |
| 23:58.32 | goozbach | ~blame the people who didn't fix the bugs goozbach reported |
| 23:58.33 | ibot | ACTION blames the people who didn't fix the bugs goozbach reported (and Canada) for all the evil in the world |
| 23:58.50 | sjansen | goozbach: _You_ are messing it up for _all_ of us. |
| 23:59.23 | goozbach | actually I did do a little bug testing, just not on fedora itself, only Func and Certmaster |
| 23:59.30 | goozbach | I'm helping. I promise |
| 23:59.38 | goozbach | starts sobbing |
| 23:59.40 | sjansen | goozbach: Don't make me revoke your Linux privileges! |
