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| 00:39.44 | xanzion | an actual utah chat room on freenode? |
| 00:39.45 | xanzion | wow |
| 01:02.33 | sjansen | ~greet xanzion |
| 01:02.36 | ibot | ACTION dumps a bucket of cold oatmeal on xanzion |
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| 01:58.05 | Supaplex | pours a bucket full of boiling hot water on xanzion's cold oatmeal. now it's warm again. ;) |
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| 02:03.22 | tripzero | anyone know of a way I can sign with my gpg key without always having to enter a passphrase? |
| 02:23.40 | Supaplex | --use-agent |
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| 05:06.38 | findlay | there are days when I revel in my computer leetness, however little it may be |
| 05:07.02 | findlay | encryptz: what time tomorrow? |
| 05:10.49 | findlay | s/tomorrow/Sunday/ |
| 05:36.00 | levi | findlay: You have leetness? ;) |
| 05:39.17 | findlay | levi: don't you? |
| 05:44.37 | levi | Not anymore. Now I have mad skillz. |
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| 05:53.24 | levi | findlay: So, what are you up to? |
| 05:54.53 | Supaplex | 's counting all the dots on the inside of my eyelids |
| 05:56.26 | levi | How many so far? |
| 06:32.11 | sontek | levi: hows life? |
| 06:32.18 | sontek | levi: I've decided to try out emacs :) |
| 06:32.29 | sontek | saw a demo of it at python user group tonight |
| 06:32.32 | sontek | it was impressive |
| 06:37.59 | levi | What'd they show? |
| 06:39.13 | levi | emacs is awesome. I don't understand the animosity everyone has towards it, except for some weird desire to carry on the stupid editor feud. |
| 06:39.40 | findlay | ~flame emacs |
| 06:39.41 | ibot | emacs, YOU SUCK. And you know it. |
| 06:40.25 | findlay | levi: just enjoying having my computer as a diversion |
| 06:40.40 | sontek | levi: The things that impressed me were being able to have a python interpreter inside it for debugging purposes |
| 06:40.54 | sontek | the only thing that I think will bother me is those key bindings |
| 06:41.06 | sontek | having ctrl for everthing is going to be hard to get used to |
| 06:41.12 | levi | You can always run viper mode |
| 06:41.27 | levi | Though I would recommend just getting used to the emacs keys. |
| 06:41.35 | sontek | levi: do you know if they have static analysis for code completion rather than executing the code ? |
| 06:41.53 | findlay | i searched once for a vim emacs mode but couldn't find any |
| 06:41.59 | levi | They're useful elsewhere, too. |
| 06:43.25 | levi | sontek: I'm not sure what you mean by 'rather than executing the code' |
| 06:44.12 | levi | You might look at etags, hippieexpand, semantic bovinator, etc. |
| 06:44.17 | levi | See emacswiki.org |
| 06:45.12 | sontek | i'm going to try to get used to the emacs keybindings |
| 06:45.18 | sontek | but my pinky is a struggle ;) |
| 06:46.35 | levi | I remap capslock to control. |
| 07:05.18 | Sargun | anyone here have a VZW Treo 700p? |
| 07:11.28 | sontek | close! I have a tmo treo 650 ;) |
| 07:25.47 | Sargun | Tmobile sucks |
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| 13:47.10 | utahcon | kicks his belking router |
| 13:47.46 | encryptz | findlay: 10:50-12:00 |
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| 14:04.00 | tensai | ever heard of digimarc? |
| 14:04.08 | tensai | some kind of image watermarking scheme |
| 14:04.41 | tensai | claims it can give you "access reports online showing where your images are being use" |
| 14:04.57 | tensai | I don't see how that works unless the image reader reports back to the mother ship |
| 14:05.14 | tensai | or maybe they crawl the public intarwebs and look for their secret codes |
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| 15:24.11 | harleypig | chim chim cheree |
| 15:25.13 | utahcon | a sweep is as lucky? |
| 15:25.42 | harleypig | cache cow |
| 15:33.15 | levi | Yo. |
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| 15:51.01 | levi | types 'sudo su - |
| 15:51.04 | levi | Er |
| 15:51.15 | levi | types 'sudo su -' on his ubuntu system to spite Christer. |
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| 15:57.13 | Zelut | is spited and continues to merely lurk in #utah. |
| 15:57.53 | bonez45 | Any ClamWin users here? My question is..once it's scanned and found viruses..then what? Does clamwin purge them or is that left to the user to do? |
| 15:58.24 | Tene | Zelut: you don't actually discuss the reasons to avoid opening a root shell. |
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| 16:00.52 | findlay | heh |
| 16:00.59 | findlay | encryptz: :( |
| 16:01.43 | findlay | encryptz: without forethought I committed to doing the broadcast Sunday morning and it doesn't get out until 10 |
| 16:07.52 | findlay | so I guess I'll be just in time for the food :) |
| 16:08.45 | levi | Okay, so on the second day of 'OUT FOR DELIVERY', maybe my package will actually get delivered. |
| 16:09.46 | synic | heh, delivery truck get a flat tire yesterday? |
| 16:10.07 | encryptz | findlay: sounds good |
| 16:10.09 | levi | I think it may have gone to the wrong UPS place. |
| 16:10.09 | encryptz | :) |
| 16:10.25 | levi | Yesterday it was out for delivery from SLC, today it's out for delivery from Orem. |
| 16:10.46 | elg | lazy slc driver |
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| 16:12.10 | levi | It's my $16 gigabyte dual-Xeon server board from eBay. :) |
| 16:12.34 | levi | My Intel board bios chip went bad, and I didn't want to screw around with LinuxBIOS. |
| 16:13.50 | levi | I figured $16 was a reasonable price to pay to get a dual-2.2Ghz Xeon w/4Gig ECC ram system going again. |
| 16:18.04 | goozbach | redbeard2: you need to write a cookbook about hotel cooking |
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| 16:20.28 | redbeard2 | goozbach: dude, just a couple of recipes do not a cookbook make |
| 16:20.44 | redbeard2 | and technically, the cheesecake isn't even fully working yet |
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| 16:26.55 | goozbach | I see the potential |
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| 17:07.48 | fozzmoo | http://www.mininova.org/tor/1393669 |
| 17:08.54 | levi | Geez, I thought it'd be some cool warez or something, it's just a silly linux iso. :P |
| 17:09.19 | nick125 | lol |
| 17:26.22 | tensai | is there any software that's worse than Outlook? |
| 17:26.39 | findlay | um |
| 17:26.43 | findlay | Access? |
| 17:27.02 | goozbach | access, ... Bob? |
| 17:27.33 | goozbach | KDE? SUSE? -- J/K |
| 17:27.36 | goozbach | :) |
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| 17:28.27 | sinuhe | tensai: Epiphany? |
| 17:28.58 | tensai | sinuhe: never used it. is it that bad? |
| 17:29.11 | sinuhe | tensai: It's an Outlook clone. |
| 17:29.33 | findlay | it's also the GNOME web browser |
| 17:30.12 | sinuhe | Silly me: Not Epiphany, but Evolution |
| 17:30.44 | sinuhe | I think goozbach had it with Microsoft Bob. |
| 17:30.55 | sinuhe | That is undoubtedly worse than Outlook. |
| 17:31.40 | sinuhe | I shouldn't say Evolution is worse. It is free software, after all. |
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| 17:35.12 | levi | Evolution is way better than Outlook. |
| 17:35.17 | sinuhe | Is there something I missing with gnome-cd, or does it only play one track at a time? |
| 17:35.53 | tensai | Evolution has issues but it's a far cry from the miserable mess that Outlook is |
| 17:36.19 | findlay | mplayer |
| 17:36.34 | findlay | that's the answer I have for every multimedia trouble |
| 17:37.02 | tensai | sinuhe: how can a cd player play more than one track at a time? it's only got one laser. |
| 17:37.05 | sinuhe | I know that it is easy to suggest the favourite tool to replace the tool I'm using so that the question I asked doesn't have to be answered, but is it possible to actually get an answer to the question asked? |
| 17:37.21 | sontek | any of you guys remember the daily wtf that showed this company that made tables for dates? |
| 17:37.24 | sontek | I'm trying to find it :P |
| 17:37.25 | sinuhe | tensai: Very funny. It does not continue on to the next track, but stops. |
| 17:37.53 | sinuhe | I have to click "next" to get gnome-cd to go on to the next track. |
| 17:37.57 | tensai | sinuhe: I see. that does seem like degenerate behavior. |
| 17:38.08 | levi | sinuhe: We'd have to actually use gnome-cd to have any idea how to answer your question. |
| 17:38.33 | findlay | I haven't used gnome-cd in like 4 years |
| 17:39.01 | findlay | is it worse than outlook? :) |
| 17:39.39 | levi | Well, stopping after every track may actually make it worse for its intended purpose than Outlook is for its purpose. |
| 17:40.07 | fozzmoo | http://engrish.com/recent_detail.php?imagename=handle-with-cake.jpg (Best engrish in a long time!) |
| 17:40.12 | brac | [Preferably chocolate...] |
| 17:42.49 | sinuhe | Interesting: if I set it to autoplay on startup, it will continue and play the next track, but as soon as I select a specific track it will play it only. |
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| 17:44.21 | sinuhe | I seem to remember more features to gnome-cd in older days. Is this another symptom of feature-anti-creep in Gnome? I'm used to the old Gnome 1 days with Enlightenment, when Gnome was capable of making your coffee (or at least telling you when your coffee was done). |
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| 17:45.51 | findlay | sinuhe: it's depressing |
| 17:53.37 | sinuhe | findlay: Feature lack in Gnome 2, you mean? |
| 17:56.11 | findlay | yeah |
| 17:58.04 | sinuhe | I can see where Gnome is going with it, and agree to a point (Gnome 1 was not very stable, because of its over abundance of features), but there is a level of paucity that borders on disfunction. |
| 17:58.49 | findlay | yeah, it's almost as boring as windows :) |
| 18:03.05 | Sargun | Does Verizon have prepaid phones? |
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| 18:08.35 | tensai | Sargun: yes |
| 18:17.45 | Sargun | needs access to a VZW treo. |
| 18:25.41 | ^Migs^ | whoa, I just let a big one rip |
| 18:25.48 | ^Migs^ | the guy sitting next to me never says anything |
| 18:26.05 | ^Migs^ | that's the right attitude, if you ask me. If you don't like a NATURAL BODILY FUNCTION, that's your problem, not mine |
| 18:26.06 | levi | Could we get him to replace you here? |
| 18:26.22 | utahcon | high fives ^Migs^ |
| 18:26.34 | utahcon | The guy next to me burns popcorn, so I don't feel bad at all |
| 18:29.03 | ^Migs^ | I often breathe an audible sigh of relief, just so he knows I'm proud of my gassiness. |
| 18:30.04 | utahcon | lol |
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| 18:36.15 | sjansen | listens to the Duck Tales intro song |
| 18:36.23 | sjansen | loves the Internet |
| 18:36.31 | ^Migs^ | that's a fabulous song |
| 18:36.47 | ^Migs^ | you know what's another great song? The Moon theme from the Duck Tales NES game |
| 18:37.14 | ^Migs^ | http://remix.supertux.com/songs/Ducktales_Duck_Blur_OC_ReMix.mp3 |
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| 18:55.41 | maquis | ok. is there any way to do "find usages" from inside vim (besides grepping for the name of the function)? |
| 18:56.24 | maquis | ie, if i have a poorly-named function, where the codebase has many classes that all have a function by this name... is there any way to find instances of the function that i'm particularly looking for? |
| 19:00.26 | thaddeusq | maquis: you mean like searching for a phrase in vim? |
| 19:00.39 | maquis | thaddeusq: not quite |
| 19:00.56 | maquis | so, in some ides, you can do things like "find usages" of a function |
| 19:03.01 | maquis | and it only finds the ones that are actually referring to that particular class's function, and ignores all the uses of other functions in the project by the same name |
| 19:03.10 | maquis | i'm just hoping that there's some way to do that with ctags that i haven't found yet |
| 19:03.36 | findlay | ctags, man |
| 19:04.12 | findlay | cscope, maybe |
| 19:09.17 | levi | Cool, someone wrote a Markdown parser in C with a PEG library. |
| 19:11.10 | goozbach | heh |
| 19:11.24 | levi | http://ctags.sourceforge.net/faq.html <- see #7, does that help? |
| 19:11.27 | brac | [Exuberant Ctags FAQ] |
| 19:11.41 | goozbach | as if there weren't enough parsers for markdown |
| 19:12.02 | levi | goozbach: Most of them are stupid ad-hoc parsers. This one uses a grammar. |
| 19:12.59 | goozbach | and the perl module isn't fast enough? |
| 19:13.22 | levi | It's a stupid ad-hoc parser. Speed is not the issue here. |
| 19:14.12 | findlay | stroustrup is big on grammar |
| 19:14.35 | levi | Now, instead of porting a stupid ad-hoc parser, you can just grab a PEG engine for your favorite language, plug the grammar in, and get a parser. |
| 19:14.49 | levi | Parsing Expression Grammars are awesome. |
| 19:16.07 | eggyknap | has enjoyed playing with yacc/lex of late |
| 19:17.06 | levi | yacc and lex are cool, but using them necessitates splitting your parser into separate parse/lex phases, which puts some significant limitations on the flexibility of your language. |
| 19:17.43 | levi | PEGs don't have separate lexing and parsing. |
| 19:17.48 | eggyknap | is pretty new to the field, and is unfamiliar with alternatives |
| 19:18.28 | findlay | what do you do with a LCD that won't settle down after you hit the autoadjust button lots of times? |
| 19:18.42 | levi | findlay: Choose a different video mode? |
| 19:18.43 | eggyknap | In any case, this is for PL/LOLCODE development. PostgreSQL already depends on lex/yacc (well, flex/bison), so it made sense to adopt them for a PostgreSQL-related project. |
| 19:18.49 | utahcon | findlay: throw it out the window... or give it to your wife |
| 19:19.02 | levi | findlay: What kind of behavior is it exhibiting? |
| 19:19.13 | findlay | hm, looks like the wife option is a stub |
| 19:19.36 | findlay | levi: the pixels are all jiggling around |
| 19:19.53 | levi | findlay: What kind of video card are you using? |
| 19:20.42 | findlay | don't know. somebody at my company just bought a new LCD, probably the cheapo one and I happened to notice it |
| 19:21.08 | findlay | guess I could try another card |
| 19:21.13 | utahcon | mine has very bad lines (they aren't straight) |
| 19:22.02 | levi | Last time I saw jittery video, it was due to a crappy video card that I was running at a higher bandwidth than it could support. |
| 19:22.34 | levi | I'd try dropping to 1024x768 or something and see if it stabilizes. |
| 19:22.47 | findlay | well, leave it to windows drivers to overload the card |
| 19:25.56 | sjansen | maquis: Areyou talking about something like ctags/etags? |
| 19:28.13 | sjansen | n/m |
| 19:28.37 | maquis | sjansen: yeah.. .just in reverse :) |
| 19:29.19 | levi | In reverse? |
| 19:30.41 | maquis | instead of giving it a usage of a function and asking for the function itself, i want to go from the function to its usages |
| 19:31.37 | levi | Have you tried cscope? |
| 19:31.59 | maquis | nope. i should look at that |
| 19:33.56 | maquis | levi: this looks like what i was looking for |
| 19:33.57 | maquis | thanks! |
| 19:34.14 | levi | Also maybe look at this: http://silentbob.sourceforge.net/ |
| 19:35.56 | Sargun | uh |
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| 19:46.47 | levi | Yay, my motherboard was delivered. |
| 19:48.05 | levi | Wow, the oscilloscope on my desk costs more than I've paid for most of the cars I've owned. |
| 19:48.37 | levi | scopes are crazy expensive. |
| 19:57.38 | Sargun | levi, nice scopes are $ |
| 19:57.58 | Sargun | So, its learn Erlang, or learn to program for the Palm. |
| 19:58.05 | Sargun | Learn Erlang well really |
| 20:02.17 | findlay | levi: fortunately I had an old AGP geforce4 to replace the aging geforce2 that was in there. She said she tried another monitor and it had the same problems |
| 20:02.46 | findlay | I put the new card in, downloaded the driver and it turned out looking quite nice |
| 20:04.08 | findlay | I'm kind of jealous. It's a widescreen LCD |
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| 20:12.57 | levi | findlay: So, you don't get to keep the monitor? |
| 20:13.08 | findlay | it wasn't for me |
| 20:13.23 | levi | You can get a widescreen 20" monitor for <$200 these days. |
| 20:13.52 | findlay | I've got a pretty nice flat 19" CRT |
| 20:14.09 | findlay | I seriously doubt it was <$200 :) |
| 20:14.29 | levi | You can only get really crappy CRTs for <$200. |
| 20:14.29 | utahcon | CRT or LCD levi? |
| 20:14.40 | levi | utahcon: LCD. |
| 20:14.41 | ^Migs^ | http://ninjapirate.com/content.php?f=firefox-sucks.html |
| 20:14.42 | brac | [Uninstall Firefox because it is garbage software.] |
| 20:14.45 | utahcon | you can get a 20" LCD for about $250 now |
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| 20:15.45 | levi | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824014168 |
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| 20:16.38 | levi | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824116099 |
| 20:18.51 | fozzmoo | http://blog.jrock.us/articles/String%3A%3ATT.pod |
| 20:18.53 | fozzmoo | That's nice. |
| 20:19.03 | findlay | ~blog fozzmoo |
| 20:19.04 | ibot | ACTION scrambles to his keyboard so he can proclaim to the world his unique knowledge and perspective on fozzmoo |
| 20:19.07 | levi | Granted, you probably have to pay at least $250 for a *nice* 20" LCD. |
| 20:20.09 | levi | Actually, this one looks pretty nice: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824009108 |
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| 20:44.11 | fozzmoo | I have a 20-inch CHIMEI that I bought from New Egg and I like it a lot. |
| 20:47.28 | levi | Was it <$200, though? |
| 20:49.52 | utahcon | ~240 |
| 20:50.30 | utahcon | dreams of the day he can mount three of those bad boys for his desk display |
| 21:24.01 | harleypig | BAH! |
| 21:27.37 | sjansen | bah |
| 21:27.40 | sjansen | black sheep |
| 21:27.44 | sjansen | have you any wool |
| 21:27.46 | sjansen | ? |
| 21:31.13 | findlay | ~wool harleypig |
| 21:31.16 | Sargun | NPR is a government organization, rihgt? |
| 21:31.22 | findlay | heh |
| 21:31.53 | sjansen | Sargun: Uh, no. |
| 21:32.13 | Sargun | err, government funded. |
| 21:33.29 | unum | I believe it receives government money |
| 21:33.38 | unum | anyone else going to a state convention |
| 21:35.41 | Heartsbane | no |
| 21:40.20 | sontek | its public radio! financed by the public! |
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| 22:00.36 | nick125 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:00.36 | nick125 | er |
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| 22:17.30 | fozzmoo | Jayce^: Ping |
| 22:21.02 | nick125 | Hmm...this doesn't seem good |
| 22:21.11 | nick125 | claws-mail[3089]: segfault at ff1f356b eip 080e8e49 esp bfc2d310 error 4 < in dmesg, then Xorg crashed |
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| 23:00.32 | sargun-palm | heya |
| 23:01.19 | sjansen | http://www.news.com/8301-13580_3-9936329-39.html?tag=blog.1 |
| 23:08.10 | tensai | yay for unicode |
| 23:08.54 | tensai | wøøt! |
| 23:09.56 | maquis | æå欢åä¸æåã |
| 23:10.04 | maquis | hmmm |
| 23:10.08 | maquis | it got all but one of them |
| 23:10.09 | maquis | :) |
| 23:14.28 | tensai | maquis: "I write in Chinese"? |
| 23:15.02 | tensai | I see "I" and "chinese characters". not sure about the middle bits. |
| 23:15.19 | maquis | tensai: if it had done all the characters, it would've said "i like to write in chinese characters" |
| 23:15.33 | maquis | the second character in to like disappeared |
| 23:15.36 | tensai | I was just wondering if you meant like. |
| 23:15.41 | findlay | defines ä¸ as the NP() operator |
| 23:17.42 | sjansen | project checked out using arch: 1.7G |
| 23:17.51 | sjansen | project checked out using git: 64M |
| 23:17.54 | sjansen | Any questions? |
| 23:18.10 | sjansen | ~git++ |
| 23:19.05 | findlay | why are you using arch? |
| 23:19.11 | findlay | do people still use that? |
| 23:19.20 | sjansen | transitioning away from arch |
| 23:20.44 | goozbach | sjansen: it's not arch, it's baz! |
| 23:20.51 | goozbach | and that's mostly my fault |
| 23:21.02 | goozbach | if he's still talking about xiphias |
| 23:51.04 | synic | rsimpkins: |
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