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| 00:28.59 | elg | multivalent messes up my figures, and pdftk says the perfectly fine pdf has errors |
| 00:29.52 | Supaplex | ~lart pdf |
| 00:29.53 | ibot | whips out his power stapler and staples pdf's foot to the floor |
| 00:38.41 | elg | and pdfjoin (from pdfjam) creates corrupted files |
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| 00:50.08 | sjansen | elg: If you're willing to get you hands dirty with Ruby+Cairo+Poppler it shouldn't take too long to roll your own. |
| 00:51.06 | sjansen | Don't remember where I saw it, but you can find example code for converting pdf <--> svg and use that for inspiration. |
| 00:51.17 | elg | nah |
| 00:51.38 | elg | i'll just use a boring title for the electronic version |
| 00:53.24 | sjansen | elg: Did you say you'd be happy with converting the PDF to PNG at a specific scale? |
| 00:53.56 | elg | that was for a figure, but i got that handled |
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| 02:08.40 | goozbach | ~convert 4300800 KB to GB |
| 02:08.56 | goozbach | ~convert 4300800 Kilobytes to Gigabytes |
| 02:09.01 | goozbach | bah |
| 02:09.06 | goozbach | ibot doesn't know his bytes |
| 02:20.04 | elg | ~convert 4300800KiB to GiB |
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| 02:20.50 | nick125 | elg: You broke it. |
| 02:20.50 | elg | apparently ibot doesn't agree with iso |
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| 02:28.00 | goozbach | I knew I was missing a 0 |
| 02:28.08 | goozbach | I needed 42G |
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| 02:28.50 | goozbach | ohboy |
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| 02:30.33 | elg | levi et al: http://hans.fugal.net/writings/fugal_phd_comprehensive.pdf |
| 02:39.21 | goozbach | anyone here do squid accelerator caching? |
| 02:39.35 | goozbach | a 1% hit rate isn't good, is it? |
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| 08:13.20 | lakshmi | sham wow |
| 08:29.34 | Tene | Mmm. I love adding new features with four lines of code. |
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| 13:42.48 | elg | is getting a review copy of http://www.packtpub.com/building-telephony-systems-with-openser/book |
| 13:49.38 | Sargun | elg, tell us how it is |
| 13:53.24 | elg | -chat |
| 13:53.27 | brac | rather, fi |
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| 14:20.01 | brac | [An IRC Tutorial] |
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| 15:43.44 | ^Migs^ | HAHAHA http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7388036.stm |
| 15:43.48 | brac | [BBC NEWS | Americas | Students arrested in US drug raid] |
| 15:43.55 | ^Migs^ | Twenty-nine people, most of them students, have been arrested in a drugs raid at a university in California. . . . Also among those arrested was a student who was about to receive a criminal justice degree, and another who was to receive a master's degree in homeland security, police said. |
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| 15:46.37 | sjansen | ~accuse emcnabb |
| 15:46.51 | sjansen | ~blame pmcnabb |
| 15:46.52 | ibot | ACTION blames pmcnabb (and Canada) for all the evil in the world |
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| 16:01.18 | levi | ^Migs^: What kind of drugs? |
| 16:02.36 | ^Migs^ | cocaine |
| 16:03.15 | utahcon | @ ^Migs^: that is funny |
| 16:03.28 | utahcon | The youth are our Future. |
| 16:03.40 | ^Migs^ | it would've made more sense if it had been Adderall |
| 16:08.19 | levi | Hah. SDSU was in one of my mission areas. |
| 16:09.15 | Sargun | oh |
| 16:09.53 | levi | Tracting through the neighborhoods right next to the school was an interesting experience. |
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| 16:19.36 | sjansen | Make the world a better place! Friends don't let friends use backticks in scripts. |
| 16:19.49 | sinuhe | sjansen: Oh? |
| 16:21.14 | utahcon | oh? |
| 16:23.46 | levi | Friends don't let friends write scripts in shell languages. :P |
| 16:24.07 | sjansen | The only reason to use backticks in portability. But since none of you have to worry about some ancient, impoverished *nix without Bash, I can get away with generalizations. |
| 16:24.28 | utahcon | assumptions... they are evil |
| 16:24.58 | sjansen | No, abstractions make life possible. Backticks are evil. |
| 16:25.38 | sinuhe | levi: Shell scripting is useful. It relies on the existing login shell, and can provide a good model for a program specification to verify the spec makes sense, and save you the time of writing it in the appropriate language if it doesn't. |
| 16:25.41 | sjansen | Is it smart to drive without your seat belt because "that how I learned"? No! |
| 16:26.03 | sjansen | Is it smart to use backticks because "that's how I learned?" No! Never! A million times NO! |
| 16:26.28 | levi | Shell scripting would be useful if shell languages weren't so heinous. |
| 16:26.32 | sinuhe | sjansen: Is your objection to backticks related to its readability? |
| 16:26.44 | sjansen | Yes. |
| 16:27.12 | levi | The idea of shell scripting is wonderful. It's the execution that's horribly flawed. |
| 16:27.21 | tensai | sjansen: did backticks kill your dog and pee in your cheerios? |
| 16:27.27 | sjansen | $() is both more readable and more powerful |
| 16:27.28 | sinuhe | lol |
| 16:27.29 | sjansen | echo $(echo $(date)) |
| 16:27.54 | sinuhe | echo `echo $(date)` |
| 16:27.57 | sinuhe | ? |
| 16:28.00 | sinuhe | What's the diff? |
| 16:28.00 | sjansen | Let's see you nest your nasty backticks! Can't be done. |
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| 16:28.18 | sjansen | You admitted defeat. |
| 16:28.34 | sinuhe | You said they shouldn't be used. I noted how they could be useful. |
| 16:28.48 | sinuhe | I found mine more readable. |
| 16:28.57 | sjansen | How? All I see is a more confusing construct better expressed using only $() |
| 16:29.10 | sinuhe | shrugs. Whatever works |
| 16:29.32 | sinuhe | retreats to retrieve more spare tire expanding sugary goodness. |
| 16:29.35 | sjansen | As for the shell, the more I learn about shell scripting the more convinced I am that it is pure evil. But useful. |
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| 17:08.38 | sjansen | Signs you might be about to pick the wrong contractor: |
| 17:08.47 | ^Migs^ | is there a name for a house that has two rooms, with one dividing wall between them? |
| 17:08.54 | ^Migs^ | like old Western style houses? |
| 17:09.00 | sjansen | 1) He asks to borrow a napkin or any other piece of paper to write his bid on. |
| 17:09.16 | Sargun | haha. |
| 17:09.19 | sjansen | 2) His cell phone has a ring back song. |
| 17:09.22 | Sargun | sjansen, What are you outsourcing? |
| 17:11.29 | sjansen | A co-worker is having "fun" working will a contractor he hired to pour concrete. |
| 17:12.49 | Sargun | oh. |
| 17:12.58 | Sargun | See, that kind of contractor is ok |
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| 18:21.35 | harleypig | what was the url of the headphone website? |
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| 18:21.52 | harleypig | that was talked about on the mailing list? |
| 18:23.14 | elg | ~rlart |
| 18:23.15 | ibot | teaches pmcnabb the basics, including how to RTM |
| 18:36.30 | ^Migs^ | http://www.divinecaroline.com/article/22323/49129-spare-change--hilarious-panhandling-signs |
| 18:36.32 | brac | [Spare Change? Hilarious Panhandling Signs : DivineCaroline] |
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| 19:06.46 | findlay | ~noscript++ |
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| 19:18.44 | pashdown | http://peteashdown.org/journal/2008/05/07/iprovo-sale-and-rfp/ |
| 19:22.17 | elg | ~weep |
| 19:22.18 | ibot | ACTION weeps uncontrollably |
| 19:24.11 | utahcon | @ pashdown: That sucks. More for the citizens on the iProvo network than anything. Let's hope for better luck/sense in the UTOPIA project in SL County |
| 19:24.29 | pashdown | yes |
| 19:30.12 | Jayce^ | harleypig is the Disco-man |
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| 19:35.03 | levi | I wonder how easy it would be to hack these things: http://www.brookstone.com/store/product.asp?pid=570846&wid=0&cid=0&sid0&search_type=subcategory&search_words=&cross_flag=y&cm_sp=Exit*Crosssell*1&prodtemp=t1 |
| 19:35.11 | brac | [Brookstone: 12 x 4 Vent Miser⢠Programmable Register Vent] |
| 19:36.46 | utahcon | that would be really cool if networkable :D |
| 19:40.24 | levi | Well, it's just timer controlled, but since the programmable module is removable, I figure it's possible that it might be easy to interface with the motor. |
| 19:45.17 | harleypig | All aboooooard the disco train! HHAHAHAHAHAHA |
| 19:49.20 | findlay | pashdown: that is really aggrivating and disappointing, being a citizen of Provo and an iProvo subscriber, especially since I explicity paid money to sign up for and use iProvo even when the landlord provides comcast service gratis |
| 19:49.59 | findlay | looks like Provo city government didn't consult my needs |
| 19:49.59 | pashdown | that stinks. |
| 19:52.05 | levi | I was thinking of taking the module out, putting in a a microcontroller and an xbee module, and having them all wirelessly controlled. |
| 19:52.33 | levi | It would get expensive fast, though. |
| 19:53.34 | utahcon | @ levi yes it would, but it would be cool |
| 19:54.04 | levi | The XBees are ~$22 each from sparkfun. |
| 19:55.04 | utahcon | $19 at digi.com |
| 19:55.23 | levi | Does that include the antenna? |
| 19:55.57 | utahcon | prob not |
| 20:01.19 | findlay | Jayce^: you ever done anything with EDI? |
| 20:02.31 | findlay | regarding iProvo, as far as Provo city is concerned, I still don't even know about it. No letters, no notices, nothing. This was very badly handled on their part |
| 20:02.51 | findlay | of course it's easy to complain |
| 20:02.57 | utahcon | @ findlay: probably by design |
| 20:04.00 | findlay | utahcon: why do you think that? If so they must have had a very compelling reason to make the deal they did and no other |
| 20:05.48 | harleypig | of the monetary sort of compelling |
| 20:05.49 | harleypig | of the monetary sort of compelling |
| 20:05.50 | utahcon | NDAs in gov dealings always worry me |
| 20:07.24 | utahcon | I think transparency in government is very crucial |
| 20:07.49 | findlay | makes you think of national government secret agencies, not the stuff a city would do. Who do they think they're hiding from? |
| 20:08.08 | findlay | I would think a city is much more vulnrable to an incenced public in that way |
| 20:08.48 | elg | provo city government has never failed to negatively impress me |
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| 20:09.07 | elg | well, except for that newsletter with the goofy furnace guy. he's alright |
| 20:09.21 | utahcon | ? |
| 20:09.38 | elg | though I guess that's a utility, not the city government proper |
| 20:11.02 | findlay | same with WJ city government |
| 20:11.23 | findlay | in fact, UT state government is liable for all sorts of nonsense |
| 20:11.39 | utahcon | findlay: I am sure that goes for all government |
| 20:11.43 | utahcon | not just UT |
| 20:11.48 | findlay | yeah, anarchy! |
| 20:15.02 | tensai | where's bucky when we need him to complain about utah government? |
| 20:15.08 | tensai | ~buckybot |
| 20:15.15 | tensai | ~buckybot maquis |
| 20:15.16 | ibot | maquis: you're a stupid idiot, and I can tell you that all I want, but if you say anything mean to me, I'll start crying and insulting everything I can, because you're discriminating against me! |
| 20:15.38 | maquis | hey! |
| 20:16.55 | tensai | maquis: well you're the one discriminating against buckybot |
| 20:17.16 | maquis | curls up in her corner and starts to cry |
| 20:17.25 | elg | we haven't had a good rabblerouser in awhile |
| 20:17.28 | elg | nominates harleypig |
| 20:17.40 | findlay | ~emulate harleypig |
| 20:17.48 | elg | decides now is a good time to eat this here lunch |
| 20:19.19 | tensai | elg: I got some poblanos yesterday |
| 20:20.06 | elg | excellent |
| 20:24.21 | jsmith-teaching | tensai: Chiles Rellenos? |
| 20:24.24 | maquis | mmm |
| 20:24.27 | maquis | i want some! |
| 20:24.30 | tensai | jsmith-teaching: they will be eventually |
| 20:24.58 | jsmith-teaching | tensai: Eventually? |
| 20:25.28 | tensai | jsmith-teaching: right now they're just poblanos. once I stuff and fry them, then they'll be chiles rellenos. |
| 20:26.31 | jsmith-teaching | tensai: OK, I misunderstood... I thought you were saying "Yeah, once they hang out in my fridge and get all soggy and gross, then I'll turn them into chiles rellenos |
| 20:26.45 | tensai | jsmith-teaching: well, that too |
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| 20:26.56 | tensai | I'm all about the soggy and gross |
| 20:28.28 | sjansen | ~punish utahcon for using the twitter @ in IRC |
| 20:28.29 | ibot | ACTION makes utahcon drink American beer for using the twitter @ in IRC |
| 20:32.20 | levi | Hrm, $80 for Arduino+XBee. Yow. |
| 20:35.31 | utahcon | American beer! |
| 20:35.32 | utahcon | ok |
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| 20:58.35 | sjansen | dmdavis and other interested in git/bzr/hg: http://www.infoq.com/articles/dvcs-guide |
| 21:06.58 | ^Migs^ | is there a way to use modulo division to determine if the decimal part of a number is greater than .5? |
| 21:07.18 | ^Migs^ | I'm thinking there's gotta be some fancy-shmancy way to do it |
| 21:09.51 | tensai | why do you need a fancy shmancy way to do it? are you trying to impress your girlfriend? |
| 21:11.16 | ^Migs^ | I don't think my wife would approve of me showing off my numerical prowess to other girls |
| 21:11.36 | findlay | speaking of impressing, I was driving down the freeway yesterday with a girl and somehow was tempted to downshift and rev up my lameo car to impress her. It was an interesting experience |
| 21:11.44 | ^Migs^ | was she impressed? |
| 21:11.50 | findlay | I didn't do it |
| 21:11.54 | ^Migs^ | because I don't think any girls are actually impressed by that. |
| 21:12.20 | ^Migs^ | wait, you were with a girl? |
| 21:12.36 | findlay | yup |
| 21:12.44 | ^Migs^ | was she hot? |
| 21:12.48 | findlay | sure |
| 21:12.49 | sjansen | float n=i % 1; n+=0.5; n > i ? "yes" : "no"; |
| 21:12.51 | ^Migs^ | pics or ban |
| 21:12.52 | ^Migs^ | haha, j/k |
| 21:13.10 | sjansen | I don't know that it's impressive, but it might work if you're not too picky about accuracy. |
| 21:13.19 | ^Migs^ | i %1? |
| 21:13.49 | ^Migs^ | ah, okay |
| 21:16.44 | sjansen | Just be careful has floating point math is a nasty and quirky if you don't have a solid understanding of how much error you can tolerate and how to deal with it. |
| 21:16.54 | ^Migs^ | errors schmerrors |
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| 21:17.43 | sjansen | That's what I say. |
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| 21:18.50 | findlay | aren't there fully exhausted and tired libs in pretty much any language conforming to some floating standard for numbers? |
| 21:19.46 | *** topic/#utah by sjansen -> http://plug.org/irc | Channel log @ http://ibot.rikers.org/%23utah/ | UTOSC 2008 Call for Papers @http://2008.utosc.com | iWon't iCan't iProvo... iSell | synic's a papa - Congratulations! |
| 21:22.55 | sjansen | findlay: Sure, but a certain margin of error is inherent to floating point math. Conformance to the standard merely means introducing error in a predictable way. |
| 21:23.55 | dmdavis | sjansen: thanks for the link |
| 21:23.57 | tensai | predictable errors, like knowing that sjansen will misspell "a lot" |
| 21:24.35 | sjansen | tensai: I'm helping the language to evolve. |
| 21:24.55 | tensai | apparently he also misspells "devolve" as well |
| 21:27.24 | sinuhe | tensai: How is "a lot" a misspelling? |
| 21:28.16 | tensai | sinuhe: it is not. "alot" is and sjansen likes to use it despite knowing better. |
| 21:28.56 | sinuhe | A lot is actually an older form; alot is our inherited Germanization which combines words. I would say either is correct. |
| 21:29.51 | sinuhe | In fact, I would almost suggest that "a lot" is the correct form. |
| 21:30.31 | sinuhe | s/almost // |
| 21:30.46 | goozbach | I think you are alittle off |
| 21:31.00 | sinuhe | goozbach: lol |
| 21:32.27 | tensai | sinuhe: maybe I haven't explained my stance correctly. I posit that "alot" is not a word and "a lot" is the proper form. |
| 21:33.04 | tensai | sinuhe: I'm not familiar with this germanization you speak of |
| 21:34.01 | sinuhe | tensai: Ah. I see. |
| 21:35.02 | tensai | it's just one of my peeves and sjansen unfortunately is aware of it |
| 21:35.34 | sinuhe | tensai: The German language, of which English is a form, conjoins words to form new ones. In English, we will often hyphenate it first until it becomes normative. |
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| 21:36.03 | tensai | ah, such as e-mail => email |
| 21:36.28 | sjansen | te-ns-ai -> tensai |
| 21:36.30 | sinuhe | tensai: In the case of a lot, alot seems a devolution that does not help matters. |
| 21:37.09 | sjansen | sinuhe: Just 'cause you're afraid of the future. |
| 21:37.19 | dmdavis | ConserveTheSpaces! |
| 21:37.26 | sjansen | hands sinuhe a cardigan, a warm fire and a copy of OED to keep him busy |
| 21:37.58 | sinuhe | tensai: Yes, as regards email (I advocated email from the beginning, as I think hyphenation is a barbaric hesitation), but email may not be the best example, since it is not a conjoining of electronicmail exactly. |
| 21:38.14 | sinuhe | sjansen: Mmmm...the OED...Mmmm |
| 21:38.21 | tensai | sinuhe: do you have any better examples? |
| 21:38.26 | sinuhe | gets lost in the OED, and loses track of the conversation. |
| 21:39.12 | sinuhe | Bah! One XML element gets out of place and the whole thing goes to hell. What good is a validator if doesn't point out the error? |
| 21:39.49 | sinuhe | tensai: Not off the top of my head. |
| 21:40.47 | tensai | sinuhe: makes a little sense then why people would try to conjoin them if that behavior is inherently part of the language |
| 21:41.52 | sinuhe | It is indeed, but sjansen should know better than to do so in an obfuscated way. Then again, this is sjansen... |
| 21:42.51 | sinuhe | The Germans are a little more crazy with it, though, which is why some of their words are so long. |
| 21:42.57 | sinuhe | The Welsh do the same thing. |
| 21:43.15 | sinuhe | Llanfairpwynngechgogerichwyndrobochllantysiliogogogoch. |
| 21:43.25 | sinuhe | I hope I spelled that right. I typed it fast. |
| 21:45.07 | tensai | kindergarten, luftwaffe |
| 21:45.14 | sinuhe | Ja. |
| 21:45.24 | sinuhe | kindergarten is an excellent example. |
| 21:45.30 | sinuhe | s/k/K/ |
| 21:45.41 | tensai | where we would still say air force instead of airforce |
| 21:45.58 | sinuhe | Airforce would make more sense at this point. |
| 21:46.34 | sinuhe | An air force gail attacked us, or the airforce attacked us. |
| 21:47.25 | sinuhe | s/gail/gale/ |
| 21:47.26 | sinuhe | Sigh |
| 21:47.37 | sinuhe | imagines a woman attacking him. |
| 21:50.16 | findlay | ~oed sjansen |
| 21:50.18 | findlay | ~oed sinuhe |
| 21:50.25 | sinuhe | Heh |
| 21:50.42 | sinuhe | My fifth edition Shorter is now out of date. That didn't take long. |
| 21:53.34 | goozbach | FORTH IF HONK THEN |
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| 22:44.23 | mgeary | hi folks |
| 22:44.30 | harleypig | lo |
| 22:44.40 | mgeary | hey, anyone know where i could post a job for a web designer? |
| 22:44.50 | harleypig | plug@plug.org |
| 22:44.59 | harleypig | also, sllug, uug ... |
| 22:45.11 | mgeary | umm |
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| 22:45.26 | mgeary | doubts that the designer he's looking for will have much clue about linux |
| 22:45.32 | sjansen | mgeary: uphpu |
| 22:45.39 | mgeary | ...or php |
| 22:45.51 | harleypig | then why are you asking in a linux heavy channel? |
| 22:45.52 | levi | So, you want a graphic designer? |
| 22:45.57 | mgeary | levi: yup |
| 22:46.03 | harleypig | sorry ... that came off more snippy than I meant. |
| 22:46.05 | mgeary | harleypig: because you guys all know and work with designers :) |
| 22:46.17 | sjansen | Actually, some PHP programmers have more clue about Web design than PHP. In addtion, they'll be able to recommend where to post. |
| 22:46.18 | levi | Heh, you assume we do web stuff. |
| 22:46.34 | mgeary | sjansen: yeah, but i pretty much live on uphpu. looking for other voices |
| 22:46.45 | mgeary | levi: i do indeed :) |
| 22:46.54 | mgeary | silly me |
| 22:46.59 | harleypig | sorry ... that came off more snippy than I meant. |
| 22:47.04 | levi | Yeah, bad assumption. :) |
| 22:47.05 | harleypig | damn up arrow |
| 22:47.06 | mgeary | not a prob |
| 22:47.47 | sjansen | Actually, I think most of us are somewhere between not caring and disliking Web stuff. |
| 22:47.58 | mgeary | hahaah. alrighty then |
| 22:48.20 | sjansen | I used to find the Web enjoyable... until I realized it is hopelessly depressing an unlikely to improve much for years. |
| 22:49.06 | sjansen | If ever. |
| 22:49.12 | levi | It's kind of an interesting platform for making toys, but doing anything real with it is too painful. |
| 22:54.07 | harleypig | thinks the web is the next platform for some stuff. |
| 22:58.21 | maquis | i like having my machine and being able to work somewhat disconnected |
| 23:02.23 | findlay | doesn't think a web works very well as a platform |
| 23:07.18 | sontek | I rarely use the web |
| 23:07.40 | sontek | All my apps are desktop, Gnumeric, Abiword, Evolution, etc |
| 23:07.52 | sontek | I don't use webmail or webdocs or any of that silly stuff |
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| 23:26.20 | sjansen | Oh yes, the Web is the future. It's just a depressing, poorly implemented future. I would say poorly architected, but parts of it were very well architected then implemented incorrectly. |
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