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00:39.58herlofindlay: I wonder, why didn't that girl like you?
00:40.58herloyou seem nice enough, odd and strange, but nice enough :)
00:45.13lakshmihey do apple's products use apples operating system
00:45.14lakshminick125
00:45.37lakshmiSargun_screen u here?
00:45.44Heartsbanehe died
00:46.28lakshmiHeartsbane were u the one that killed him?
00:47.07Heartsbanealthough that thought does make me happy, I did not.
00:47.19lakshmithat is unfortunate :-(
00:47.26lakshmido you know the answer to my question though?
00:47.55Heartsbaneyes being happy is unfortunate... no I do not know the answer
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01:10.53lakshmiHeartsbane how is killing sargun gunna make you happy?
01:15.16Heartsbaneisn't this channel logged
01:15.25Heartsbane~logs
01:15.26ibotlogs is probably apt/ibot/infobot/jbot/purl all log daily to http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian | lines that start with a space are not shown | some channels have stats at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz
01:15.39Heartsbaneya I am not going to answer that
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01:18.23whiteingesontek: nj on the twitter plugin. makes twitter not a pita. :-)
01:20.17goozbachwhiteinge: make sure to cataloge any bugs you find: http://projects.friocorte.com/twitter-irssi/
01:21.07whiteingerighto!
01:23.57Sargun_screen<PROTECTED>
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01:24.09Sargun_screenI didn't know one's could assume ownerchip.
01:24.21Sargun_screen"Complement sums?"
01:25.10Sargun_screenIPv4 is possibly one of the worst RFCs ever.
01:26.42Sargun_screenAnybody want to parse that?
01:28.14Sargun_screenGuess not
01:29.37sontekwhiteinge: glad you like it, I'm using it as my main twitter client now too
01:32.52whiteingeI signed up today to see what the fuss was about, and didn't think i'd use it, but now I think I will. :-)
01:40.27sonteki'm addicted to tweeting ;)
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01:54.38whiteingewhat's the deal with people you don't know following you on twitter? spammers?
01:54.54sontekwhiteinge: mainly spammers
01:55.02Heartsbanefanboys
01:55.25whiteingeok
01:55.34penostalkers
01:56.01Heartsbanemaybe I will join and stalk someone
01:56.09penostalk sontek
01:56.16Heartsbanenaw
01:56.20SargunI want a language with the speed of C/C++, but power of python...
01:56.28SargunHm, maybe Erlang.
01:56.44SargunI'm writing a User mode network stack
01:57.09sontekSargun: C#
01:57.40sontekSargun: C# is fast, but has type inference, lamda expressions, and an extensive class library
01:57.52Sargunsontek, Hehe... funny...
01:58.16SargunSomething more standard.. And faster... And native execution....
01:58.27SargunActually C# has native execution now IIRC
01:58.48sontekIts standard, very fast, and has native execution :)
01:58.52sontekbut i'm biased ;)
01:58.59sontekSargun: vala?
02:00.40Sargunsontek, You work for Microsoft?
02:01.04SargunPreferably also something with a C API
02:01.58sontekSargun: I work on mono
02:02.40SargunClose enough
02:02.55SargunOCaml, C#, C++, C, Erlang
02:02.55sontek~heartsbane Sargun
02:02.56ibotSargun is a great example of the only thing good about kids is making them
02:02.57SargunCurrently in the running
02:03.33sontekI've heard good things about Erlang
02:14.55elgfindlay: ping
02:21.28elglevi: ping
02:24.45sontekwhats that terminal written in python that is similar to powershell in windows?
02:25.05nick125Hmm....65% of visitors to my website use firefox 3
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02:30.27lakshmihey
02:30.29lakshmiim back
02:30.29lakshmi!
02:30.36Supaplexuhoh!
02:30.54lakshmiSupaplex  hey
02:32.03Supaplexhi
02:32.13lakshmisup?
02:32.41Supaplexstudying my brains out for the JNCIA
02:32.46elgoh, i didn't get a chance to call you
02:33.19lakshmiSupaplex whats a JNCIA?
02:35.56Supaplexlarts his paste buffer
02:36.00Supaplexhttp://www.juniper.net/training/certification/mt_series_track.html#jnciam
02:37.19lakshmiuhh wanna jus summarize what it is?
02:39.23Supaplexit's a certification for a series of routers Juniper Networks released. the brains of the internet backbones
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03:33.03Supaplexouuu double rot13 encrypted. nice.
03:34.47sontekany of you guys use openwrt? trying to figure out why it wont fort port 80 away from itself
03:34.55sontekall other ports forward fine
03:35.11sontekbut it has its own webserver and doesn't forward it on to where I want
03:37.17sontekiptables -t nat -A prerouting_wan -p tcp --dport 80 -j DNAT --to 192.168.101:80
03:37.17sontekiptables        -A forwarding_wan -p tcp --dport 80 -d 192.168.1.101 -j ACCEPT
03:37.25sontekthose are my 2 routing statement
03:47.05Heartsbanesontek: well shouldn't the first line be 'iptables -t nat -A prerouting_wan -p tcp --dport 80 -j DNAT --to 192.168.1.101:80'
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03:49.49sontekHeartsbane: nice catch! ;p
03:50.39HeartsbaneI just have seen enough iptables stuff
03:50.50Heartsbaneeasy catch
03:51.36sontekstill not working
03:52.54sontekACCEPT     tcp  --  anywhere             192.168.1.101       tcp dpt:80
03:52.54Heartsbanewhat exactly is the configuration
03:53.05sontekthats correct
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03:59.47Heartsbanesontek: hahahaha it routing just not internal
04:03.24sontek:(
04:09.56findlayelg: pong
04:10.06elgdid you get my email?
04:11.26findlayno
04:20.35elgmy fault or yours?
04:21.18findlayherlo: it's a love-hate relationship we have, me and girls.  They're just as succeptible to flights of irrationality and spontaneous opinions as I am for geeking out randomly
04:22.06Heartsbanefindlay: wow so have you ever called them 'God's little contradictory chemical factory'
04:25.24sontekHeartsbane: i'm thinking about getting tickets to a bees game next week
04:25.25sontekwanna go
04:25.48Heartsbaneday?
04:26.32sontekThey are homoe 6-13
04:26.32Heartsbaneand time?
04:26.37sontekso any of those days
04:26.54herlofindlay: okay, makes sense
04:27.14sontekmost of their games are at 6pm, they have a few during the day (a 2pm one and a 10am one)
04:27.17sontekI prefer the 6pms
04:27.30herloHeartsbane: usually the games start around 7pm, sontek btw, I'm interested
04:27.49Heartsbaneya probably could swing that
04:28.41sontekwe'll need to check what days we can get good seats
04:29.16findlayHeartsbane: I've never thought of it that way before
04:29.30findlaygirls seem to enjoy their emotional paradoxes though
04:29.38findlayhas to go boil the broccoli
04:31.47Heartsbaneis that what they are calling it these days, boil the broccoli
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04:32.09HeartsbaneThat just doesn't sound right
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04:32.35sontekfindlay: you should transfer to byu, there were a few hottie geek girls at byuug
04:32.42sontekthen you guys can geek out together
04:32.50herlosontek: you missed a u
04:33.15Heartsbanemaybe you could get someone to boil your broccoli
04:33.45sontekHeartsbane: nope, they have 1 to many!
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04:38.02sontekHeartsbane: lets go tues night
04:38.25findlayHeartsbane: well, I don't have a steamer
04:38.56Heartsbanefindlay: like a Park City Steamer
04:39.16Heartsbanefindlay: that was unfair, that was actually a joke for sontek
04:39.18findlayand I'm trying to figure out a good potatoe broccoli soup that I like
04:39.35sontekfindlay: I had a park city steamer the other day
04:39.36findlays/e//g
04:39.52findlaysteam is very hot at standard pressure
04:41.07Heartsbaneyes it is
04:41.50sontekI hear the park city steamers are a little cooler with less pressure
04:41.56sontekstay away from the clevelands
04:42.25Heartsbanesontek: if we go on a Tuesday, ... LOL ... I will just be getting to the ballpark after a 12 hour day
04:42.42Heartsbanedo they have a game Thursday
04:43.21sontekHeartsbane: thats perfect!
04:43.30sontek12 hour day means you need to kick back with a few beers
04:43.39sontekby few I mean a lot
04:43.54sontekand you know how I like my hot dogs
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05:05.27lakshmiwhy is stats sooo painful
05:05.31lakshmi~lart statistics
05:05.31ibotinstalls PocketPC on statistics's PDA
05:07.12findlay~statistics lart
05:16.15elglakshmi: without stats, how would you know how much wood a woodchuck could chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood
05:16.16elg?
05:17.36lakshmielg well i shouldnt have to do corellation coefficients by hand
05:18.09elgwell i admit that's a bit like trimming the woodchuck's nails
05:20.32lakshmiyeah very painful
05:33.38SargunParsing error
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05:42.57lakshmiSargun AIM
05:43.50Sargunno
05:43.54SargunI hate AIM
05:44.03lakshmimy irc is frustrating me
05:44.07lakshmiit keeps randomly logging off
05:45.02Supaplex~blame it's comcastic
05:45.03ibotACTION blames it's comcastic (and Canada) for all the evil in the world
05:45.17lakshmiSupaplex i know
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13:38.16bracnot enough memory, go get system upgrade
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13:42.28bracWhat a crazy fool!  Did you mean |help stats?
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14:58.58encryptzso, /etc/rc.d/ was a mistake in RH, eh? interesting
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15:45.37whiteingeHow was it a mistake? What's the story?
15:58.58fungusSpeaking of killyourwifefs: http://digg.com/linux_unix/Hans_Reiser_was_convicted_Monday_of_first_degree_murder_in_t
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16:10.05sjansenDude, a few commas, here and there, would be good,.
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16:24.23levielg: So, I finally dug up my Art of Noise CDs.
16:24.36leviAlong with a couple of Joy Division CDs I haven't listened to in ages.
16:26.13sinuheWow.  sjansen was torturing us earlier with his Art of Noise CDs.  I wonder if it's something in the air.
16:26.32leviGood for you, sjansen!
16:26.51leviMaybe he got the idea because I've been talking about them with elg for the past few days.
16:27.03sinuhewonders if Daryl McBride would claim rights to the Art of Noise...
16:27.06leviOr maybe he's just got good taste sometimes. ;)
16:27.18sinuhelevi: This is sjansen we're talking about, right?
16:37.24rsimpkinsJayce^: ping
16:52.02sjansenwhimpers
16:52.32dmdavislevi: what kind of music is art of noise?
16:54.00levidmdavis: It's early sample-based music, ranging from fairly poppy to avant-garde.
16:54.33levidmdavis: If you remember the Max Headroom show, they did the theme song to that.
16:54.33dmdavisOK
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16:55.35levidmdavis: They also did the theme to Dragnet for the 1987 movie.
17:00.55rsimpkinsDoes anyone have Jason's phone number? Can you please PM it to me?
17:05.23sjansenrsimpkins: As in Jayce^? Or another Jason?
17:07.21rsimpkinssjansen: Jayce^.
17:10.25goozbachrsimpkins: tweet him! http://twitter.com/JayceHall
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17:15.23leviUgh, Twitter.
17:20.27levisinuhe: So, I'm curious what CD sjansen was playing.
17:21.05sinuhelevi: Not sure.
17:21.18sinuhesjansen: Which CD were you playing?
17:21.21levisjansen: OK, what Art of Noise CD were you playing?
17:21.26sinuhelol
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17:25.14sjansenlevi: AON - Reduction
17:25.36sjansenNow listening to Best of AON
17:26.36*** topic/#utah by rsimpkins -> http://plug.org/irc | Channel log @ http://ibot.rikers.org/%23utah/ | UTOSC 2008 Call for Papers @ http://2008.utosc.com | PLUG server has new home, will probably move week of April 28th. | Ubuntu 8.04 released - use the torrents - http://releases.ubuntu.com/8.04/ | elg is looking for volunteers to proofread a literature review on computer music April 29/30
17:26.42rsimpkinsBAH!
17:27.14levisjansen: This is the same CD you were playing earlier?
17:27.29leviI'm listening to In No Sense? Nonsense!
17:27.35sjansenI was playing Reduction earlier.
17:27.52*** topic/#utah by rsimpkins -> http://plug.org/irc | Channel log @ http://ibot.rikers.org/%23utah/ | UTOSC 2008 Call for Papers @ http://2008.utosc.com | PLUG server moving today, expect strangness. | Ubuntu 8.04 released - use the torrents - http://releases.ubuntu.com/8.04/ | elg is looking for volunteers to proofread a literature review on computer music April 29/30
17:27.57rsimpkinsThere we go.
17:28.15leviAhh, I don't have Reduction.
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17:31.33leviI have "Who's Afraid Of...! (The Art of Noise?)", "In No Sense? Nonsense!", "The Seduction of Claude Debussy", "The Best of The Art of Noise", "The Ambient Collection", "The Drum and Bass Collection", and the "Yebo!" single.
17:31.35*** topic/#utah by findlay -> http://plug.org/irc | Channel log @ http://ibot.rikers.org/%23utah/ | UTOSC 2008 Call for Papers @ http://2008.utosc.com | PLUG server moving today, expect strangness. | Ubuntu 8.04 released - use the torrents - http://releases.ubuntu.com/8.04/ | elg is looking for volunteers to proofread a literature review on computer music April 29/30
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17:32.27tensaianybody else want to set the topic?
17:34.40leviNow I've moved on to a CD of Joy Division covers.
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17:41.39leviThis is fascinating: http://www.matasano.com/log/1047/toast-spells-tsaot-in-reverse/
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18:10.44sjansentensai: I do.
18:11.20*** topic/#utah by sjansen -> http://plug.org/irc | Channel log @ http://ibot.rikers.org/%23utah/ | UTOSC 2008 Call for Papers @ http://2008.utosc.com | PLUG server moving today, expect strangeness. | Ubuntu 8.04 released - use the torrents - http://releases.ubuntu.com/8.04/ | elg is looking for volunteers to proofread a literature review on computer music April 29/30 | sjansen was here
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18:12.20sjansentensai: Thanks.
18:13.42elgrsimpkins: the ttl on plug is 3600 I see. will you be bringing that down to oh 300 about 65 minutes before the move?
18:19.52sjansenelg: Better to leave it high and allow employers to enjoy a spike in productivity.
18:20.22elg:)
18:23.39elgsometimes irc is too much fun
18:24.06elgthere's a redneck on a local channel that has this irrational hatred of bots
18:24.17elgso he has brac's twin ignored
18:24.32elgso I switched our nicks. took him all day to notice
18:24.37elgnow i think he has us both ignored
18:30.03rsimpkinselg: Do you know who has the everydns login? The master needs to be changed.
18:30.27elghmmm. I don't
18:30.35elgI'd suspect Jayce^ or me
18:30.38rsimpkinsWell, DNS won't work until we figure it out. :)
18:30.38elgbut I don't remember having it
18:30.54elgi can try random passwords...
18:31.13rsimpkinsOr change auth servers - in which case Jayce^ should have the login details with the registrar.
18:32.37elgoh look at that, plug.org is in my everydns login
18:32.48rsimpkinslol
18:32.53rsimpkinsmmmkay. :)
18:33.13elgit's set up a secondary, so just make the changes and it should axfr them
18:33.44elgit axfr from ns.plug.org
18:34.01rsimpkinsYeah, that's gonna work the second it goes away.
18:34.24rsimpkinsI have an everydns account - how do you transfer domains between accounts? Can you?
18:34.31elgI don't know
18:34.34rsimpkinsI e-mailed the guy one time and he eventually helped me.
18:34.51elgwe could probably coordinate - i should be around at 4, 5, 6
18:35.00elginto the eve, maybe with a break for dinner
18:35.11rsimpkinsokay, The TTL won't have any effect.
18:35.15elgi could change it to use the IP as the master when it's ready
18:35.16rsimpkinsEverydns ignors the TTl.
18:35.23rsimpkinsOn transfers any how.
18:36.45elghm. ns4.everydns.net has a ttl of 48 hours
18:37.13elgoop, and now ns3, and in 3 minutes ns2, and in one hour ns1
18:37.24elgin other words, everydns won't time out for two days from nowish
18:37.43rsimpkinsYeah, that's what you get for fr33. :0
18:37.52elgisn't there a way to force update? doesn't bind do that by default? or does everydns ignore the notification?
18:38.01rsimpkinseverydns ignores.
18:38.07rsimpkinsI talked with the guy about it - for good reason too.
18:38.14elgmaybe xname then? get jayce to switch it
18:38.23elgxname doesn't ignore it, I know
18:38.30elgrecently verified that
18:38.38rsimpkinsI'd perfer to not go screwing around with DNS the same day I'm also moving a server - but that's jsut me. ;)
18:38.51elgwell, they generally go hand in hand
18:39.01rsimpkinsI mean, at the registrar level.
18:39.03elgif you move a server without screwing with dns, dns will screw you
18:39.10rsimpkinsYes - you are right, they usually mess things up real good.
18:41.15sjansenJust send out an announcement: "Due to circumstances beyond our control, plug.org will be unavailable for 72 hours while we convert it to Windows 2003."
18:41.31rsimpkinssjansen: Sounds great. Do you have the disk?
18:41.46elgwindows 3.11 for workgroups
18:41.50elgplug is a workgroup, right?
18:42.07rsimpkinswin95, we upgraded.
18:42.27elgwho's the registrar? if we initiate the change now, is it likely to happen before tonight?
18:43.46elggodaddy. isn't it fairly automated there?
18:44.10rsimpkinsIt may be automated yes, but all the humans that have to touch it between now and then aren't.
18:44.36elgwell that would just be Jayce^ right?
18:44.38rsimpkinsSilly humans always gumming up the tubes.
18:45.27elgbeen awhile since i changed dns at the registrar, but I don't remember it involving humans. could be the rose glasses though
18:46.48rsimpkinsIf you and Jason can figure it all out that would be great. I am in meetings until four. Plan B will be to stay with everydns - and just update the master IP when we get it from tier four.
18:47.35elgsounds like a plan
18:50.12^Migs^the other day I was talking to someone who worked at GoDaddy who kept insisting to me that blogs are "databases"
18:50.25^Migs^in fact, all of GoDaddy's applications are databases.
18:50.39elgeverything is a databse
18:50.49Sargun^Migs^ is a database.
18:50.53elgand mysql is a hammer
18:51.08^Migs^I am a database
18:51.23^Migs^if you were a database, what database would you be?
18:51.24elgyou are an nonnormalized database
18:51.53elgi wouldn't be mythconverg that's for sure
18:51.56elgwhat does that even stand for?
18:52.00elgwacky myth devs
18:52.42RyanEelg: Isaac (the myth guy) originally called it the 'mythical convergence device'.  I assume it's from that.
18:52.53RyanEstill a dumb name.
18:53.50elgsomeone write me a conclusion
18:53.52elg-movieplot
18:53.53bracSummary: He's a maverick chivalrous sorceror in a wheelchair. She's an enchanted impetuous magicians assistant who believes she is the reincarnation of an ancient Egyptian queen. They fight crime.
18:53.57dmdaviselg: in mutt, I have new emails colored to make them stand out in the index, but it doesn't apply to collapsed trees with new emails.  You know how to make it apply there?
18:54.19elgno, sorry
18:54.23elgvontrapp might
18:54.30elglooks like he's awol though
18:54.35dmdavisnods
18:54.39dmdaviselg: thanks
18:54.40elgstill awol a lot even though the semester's over
18:54.48elgprobably working a bunch
18:54.53dmdavis~ping vontrapp
18:54.53ibotpong vontrapp
18:55.06elg~ping pong
18:55.06ibotpong pong
18:55.17dmdavis~ping ping
18:55.17ibotpong ping
18:55.26elg~ping kong
18:55.27ibotpong kong
18:57.09findlay~rhyme elg
18:58.33sjansen"And in conclusion, I'm sure the reader and all other right thinking persons will agree: SAN DIMAS HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL RULES. Thank you."
18:59.52sjansenelg: Does that work for you?
19:00.18elgthat's pretty good, but I prefer hockey
19:00.26elg-fortune
19:00.26bracYou attempt things that you do not even plan because of your extreme stupidity.
19:00.51elg-fortune
19:00.52bracAre you making all this up as you go along?
19:00.57elgyes
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19:01.37elg-fortune
19:01.37bracA long-forgotten loved one will appear soon.    Buy the negatives at any price.
19:02.16elgconclusions are so stupid
19:02.34elg"and so, um, $repeat_random_bit_of_paper. yeah. the end"
19:02.56elgConclusion: see abstract
19:04.12elgoooh, pidgin fork
19:04.13elgawesome
19:04.30sjansenelg: If you're having problems with the conclusion then you haven't mastered the art of the surprise reveal.
19:04.45elgthat's so hilarious. pidgin forks because of the text input box
19:05.15elgsjansen: ah, I see. so, "and so we see that ... computers will learn to sing and take over the world within a decade"
19:05.18elgsomething like that?
19:05.25sjansenYou conclusion should either include a critical piece of knowledge radically transforming the thrust of your paper and forcing the reader to read everything a second time, or it should include a cliff hanger laying the groundwork for a sequel.
19:06.59sjansenYou could include a sudden cut to black. For example, the final episo
19:07.06findlayand sequels are always vogue
19:07.10sjansen(Although that didn't go over so well.)
19:10.44encryptzthe pidgin fork was long overdue
19:11.14encryptzdevs that listen to community? wha?
19:11.30findlaywhat's it called, robyn?
19:12.07encryptz'funpidgin'
19:12.30elgfunpidgin? really? that's terrible. is that the best they could do?
19:12.59findlaywhy not continue with bird misspellings?
19:13.01sjansenPray that it's temporary while they look for something less... stupid.
19:13.21findlaydon't worry, I'm sure debian will repackage it under a cooler name
19:13.23elgtheir website is purple
19:13.24findlayliterally
19:13.31findlayicerobyn
19:13.35sjansenhttp://funpidgin.sourceforge.net/ <-- Their theft of a My Little Pony theme does not inspire confidence.
19:14.16findlaysjansen: I'm altering the deal.  Pray that I won't alter it any further
19:15.48encryptzfindlay: fork funpidgin, just to rename it to something cool
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19:16.44bonez44anyone know where I could purchase..here in Salt Lake...a working USR external 56k modem, today?
19:16.45sjansen*sigh* Pidgin annoys me, but there "make pidgin better by making it more complex approach" doesn't excite me. Could I just get a freaking IM client that works?
19:16.46lakshmihttp://www.divinecaroline.com/article/22323/48732-view-side-fence
19:16.51brac[View From The Other Side Of The Fence : DivineCaroline]
19:16.58encryptzsjansen: gajim
19:17.06bonez44sjansen: is pidgin giving  you heartburn?
19:17.10findlaylakshmi is posting URL's in #utah
19:17.28lakshmifindlay  yes?
19:17.33findlaynow her conversion to geekness is complete
19:17.52lakshmihehe
19:18.05lakshmimy life goal has been accomplished
19:18.10elgbonez44: how did you determine the one you have doesn't work?
19:18.13lakshmii can now die in peace
19:18.27elglakshmi: do it outside please. sjansen hates it when people die on the carpet
19:19.04sjansenlakshmi: elg is right
19:19.46bonez44elg: I dial and dial and dial..and hear lots of whining, hissing, screeching, noise...but never any connection to a known-working number..and then a tech guy comes over with his trusty USR external modem, dials the same..and ta da....first time....and about80% of the time thereafter it connects..quickly.....
19:20.23elgsounds like a reasonable diagnostic
19:20.35elgonline is probably your best bet
19:20.49bonez44elg:  mine is a motorola modemsurfr 56k external... with date code 3297   not sure if that mean march 2, 1997, but it could
19:21.03synicheh.
19:21.07synicI read modemsmurf.
19:21.07findlaymaybe you need modem grease to cut down on all that screeching
19:21.12synicI want a modem smurf
19:21.51elgyou want a modem smurfette
19:22.07synicwell, maybe.
19:23.36bonez44smurfette, eh? .. but would the wife approve? :)
19:25.23findlaywhatever.  Everyone knows the existence of smurfettes were only conjectured
19:25.36synicI'll ask her.  I'd probably better meet her and get married first, though.
19:26.21bonez44elg: can you think of any other tests for a modem? and what would 'go out' in a modem over time? what parts fail?
19:30.37unumis there a way to search for packages with up2date?
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19:31.29unumah showall
19:31.33unumthat's just stupid
19:32.17unumah turns out it's not over configured....
19:32.40findlaywhy are you using up2date?
19:41.50encryptzmy guess is RHEL 3
19:42.57Sargunup2date is awesomeee!
19:43.02Sargun~lart findlay
19:43.02ibotshoves a crumpet down findlay's throat, happy now?! Huh? Want some JAM with that?
19:44.14findlay~jam Sargun
19:47.10unumwhew turns out the support hadn't expired
19:47.29unumit actually is a RHEL4 box(I thought it was 3 at first)
19:47.37unumthough I think we are moving to centos
19:49.54unumhe thought thah he had been updating with up2date and had let support lapse
19:50.18unumso it was partially updated
19:50.29SargunGo debian or something not RPM-based
19:50.40unumall of my personal computers are debian
19:51.00unumunfortunatly I can't convince the IT manager the errors of his ways
19:51.39unumturns out the support hasn't expired yet so I can run up2date(which wasn't configured) and get the package I need
19:52.05unumbut I'm not allowed to do it until tommorrow because he's afraid I might break something, while install a devel package
19:52.13nick125Hmm....
19:52.23unumwhich is quite possible since I don't think the machine has ever been updated
19:52.28nick125If I ground PS_ON on this PSU, it should turn on, right?
19:53.29unumground?
19:53.33unumyou mean bridge?
19:53.44nick125if I connect PS_ON to ground.
19:54.16unumactually I'm probably thinking something different
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19:54.25unumI was thinking of PS_ON on the mainboard
20:13.00sontekso I setup a vista machine lastnight
20:13.13sontek8.6gb for C:\windows folder
20:14.56sontekwtf is in the OS that takes 8.6gb/
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20:16.09findlayyou can install a full distro in about that much space and IMO do way more with it than a vanilla windows install
20:23.00encryptzwhiteinge: ping
20:23.44encryptzsontek: dlls
20:24.12sontekencryptz: not 8.6gb worth :P
20:24.17encryptzツ
20:24.25sontekencryptz: My whole root partition in linux is only 6gb
20:24.33sontekand I have *everything* i'll ever need
20:24.48encryptzlinux > windows
20:25.12sontekbut my wireless works perfectly ;)
20:25.23sonteklinux > windows in some spots, windows > linux in others
20:25.35sontekI think linux is better in that parts that matter too me though
20:25.54encryptzwindows > linux you've already demonstrated with storage
20:26.03encryptzツ
20:26.20sontekhaha
20:28.08Sargunshort circuits nick125
20:34.32elghttp://blog.esaba.com/projects/catphotos/catimagessimple2/905383.jpg
20:35.02harleypigI'm heeeeeeer!
20:35.06harleypigyeah
20:35.21elg~lart harleypig
20:35.21ibotcalls harleypig on the phone ... the lights are on but nobody's home
20:35.27elg-insult harleypig's hairdresser
20:35.28harleypighuh?
20:35.31bracharleypig's hairdresser is a folly-fallen petrification of spongy poopy
20:35.36Jayce^harleypig is a she?
20:35.43harleypigman boobs
20:38.39unummy /var partitition filled up
20:38.50elgsucks to be you
20:38.52unumturns out some spammer found some services of mine
20:39.02unums/spammer/spammers
20:39.04elgyou offer those kind of services?
20:39.18unumwiki and bullitin board
20:39.20findlay~lart ugly, crappy websites
20:39.20ibotdrops a truckload of VAXen on ugly, crappy websites
20:39.28elgoh, so not "services"
20:39.33findlayand you all know you're guilt of them
20:39.42elgnot me
20:39.45elgugly yes, crappy no
20:39.48unumthe one bullitin board I had forgotten about, it's not linked from a page
20:39.48findlaya good website is far too rare, but so refreshing
20:40.06elgunum: don't you love it when spammers waste their time on irrelevant wikis?
20:40.11elgat least, until it fills up /var
20:40.45elgwhat is it about staplers, anyway?
20:41.07findlayis that what the spammers are reaving about these days?
20:41.14findlays/ea/a/
20:41.26elgno
20:43.15harleypigred staplers?
20:43.25harleypigred swingline staplers?
20:52.32leviI have one.
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20:59.37whiteingeencryptz: pong
21:00.05encryptzwhiteinge: what are the steps you took to get Twitter::Irssi working? what distro is it running on?
21:00.49whiteingeI just installed the plugin and updated a lot of Perl modules using the CPAN shell. I'm on Slackware.
21:01.13encryptzwhat version of Net::Twitter? 1.11?
21:01.49whiteingeI'm not sure how to check. CPAN grabbed it automatically.
21:02.12whiteinges/CPAN/the CPAN shell/g
21:03.32whiteingeAh, found it. v1.11
21:05.26leviInteresting news on the Ruby front: http://www.infoq.com/news/2008/04/maglev-gemstone-builds-ruby
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21:20.30encryptzMr. T vs Chuck Norris! discuss
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21:22.37encryptzmr. t would kick his @##
21:23.21whiteingeNo way, Mr. T is too busy playing WoW, and Chuck Norris is too busy trying to distance himself from ChuckNorrisFacts.com.
21:24.48elgthis is totally illogical. i have the exact same setup for domain A as for domain B, but domain A refuses AXFR and domain B doesn't
21:25.28findlayhates DNS bugs
21:33.42keldwudwhiteinge: don't forget that chuck norris is busy backing presidential candidates efore they drop out :)
21:34.01keldwudand that's my favorite commercial ever. "I'm mr T and this is my night elf mohawk"
21:34.13whiteingelol
21:34.39keldwudMr T was like, my idol in the 80's and early 90's
21:35.21whiteingeMine was Hulk Hogan, but Mr. T was also awesome. :-)
21:35.43keldwudultimate warrior > than hulk hogan!
21:35.46keldwudwtf!? ehhe
21:36.03mrpullwhere is the ultimate warrior now?
21:36.14mrpullhulk is still making noise
21:36.56keldwudhttp://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3902234703634305442&q=ultimate+warrior+vs+hulk+hogan&ei=QOYYSPH-N5GcqgPPk93gBg
21:36.59mrpull~praise wikipedia
21:36.59ibotAll hail wikipedia!
21:37.04keldwudhaha :)
21:37.21keldwuddamn, google still keeps hiding the way for me to get the original link
21:37.23mrpullapparently is wrestling again in JUNE!
21:38.23keldwudoh found it. this is better http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NieFybxTEaI sorry about the long link up there.
21:39.55keldwudoh hey, that means there should be some Mr T matches online somewhere too!
21:39.56keldwudhehe.
21:40.36keldwudhey do any of you know some good pro bono lawyers that are dedicated to father's rights in the state of Utah?
21:41.39keldwudI was always a fan of Mick Foley.
21:42.26keldwudgimme the good 'ol days when it was easy to tell who was a baby face and who was a heel
21:45.37sjansenHulk Hogan was cool until he started wearing black and acting all stupid. Hulkamania was the downfall of Hogan.
21:46.00findlaythe new movie remake doesn't look that great either
21:46.44keldwudsame as hollywood hogan.
21:47.03findlaypretty soon we'll be measuirng Hollywood epochs by successive, periodic, terrible Hulk remakes
21:47.10keldwudI can't believe I am geeking out on old wrestlemania videos right now. hah
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21:47.31keldwudgets nostalgic for the late 80's and early 90's
21:47.54keldwudhaha findlay: well *some*body has to take ah'nold's place ;)
21:48.26keldwudyou know you've reached the peak of your career when you star in the obligitory "disney movie"
21:49.06findlayfor some reason an obligatory role in a Disney movie smaks of nadir rather than peak :)
21:49.17keldwudhow many actors have succumbed to the starring role in a campy disney flick to realize that their careers are no more afterwards? :)
21:49.19findlayeither that, or surprise anticlimax :)
21:49.50findlaywonders what a Disney movie starring Harrison Ford would be like
21:49.51keldwudadds the <sarc></sarc> tags to the "peak career = disney" statement :)
21:50.08keldwudI bet we only need to wait a few more years for it findlay
21:51.04findlayor Disney could just buy a stake in the Indiana Jones movie and aftermarket industry
21:51.05keldwudthe only one I understand is Eddie Murphy, and he said it was because he was raising kids and needed something else out there other than his crude shit.
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21:51.36keldwudnon of the others have much of an excuse. :) like vin diesel? c'mon
21:51.49keldwudhey, I just had a great Idea for a web page
21:52.20findlayjumpedthetoycuteplasticdisneyshark.com
21:52.40keldwudI bet the information is not all compiled somewheres on the nets. I should make a page dedicated to all those movies that were created just to let movie stars have a role in a disney movie
21:53.07keldwudmyagentsaidthiswouldhelpmewiththe8-13yrolddemographic.com
21:53.12elgbind, thou art truly evil
21:53.22elgso it was a rogue process hanging around
21:53.41elgbut the weird thing was I thought of that and checked it by trying a transfer when I had (supposedly) stopped bind
21:53.55elgno transfer. timeout. you'd think that'd mean all the bind processes were dead
22:06.07sjansenrsimpkins: I can't reach Plug. Is something wrong with the server?
22:06.18sjansen~alert elg that rsimpkins broke the server
22:06.34elgno, that's me
22:06.37elgor rather, everydns
22:06.40sjansenThe Microsoft takeover has begun. Plug is doomed!
22:06.48elgyou can reach it by train, or with the IP
22:06.58elgdig @fugal.net plug.org
22:07.07elgplug.org.300INA63.108.71.211
22:07.10sjansenWe should've seen this coming. Why didn't we better prepare our defenses?
22:07.12elgthey are getting ready to take it down though
22:07.28elgoh, i take it all back
22:07.29sjansenBetrayal from within. Oh the agony!
22:07.31elglooks like they already have
22:07.46elgJayce^ and rsimpkins are running to canada with our server!
22:07.54elgor maybe costa rica
22:08.10sjansenThink of the children. Just think of the children!
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22:08.56sjansenWhat will you say when when little Johny asked "Where were you Grandpa when they came for the Plug server?"
22:09.09Sargunhehe
22:09.27elgon IRC where I belonged
22:09.28sjansenWill you lower your head and whisper. "I was on IRC. $DIETY help me, I was on IRC."
22:09.31elgnever left my post
22:10.10sjansenvows revenge
22:10.37elghands sjansen a cookie
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22:21.15bonez44elg: recall that dying modem, from this morning? I went to lunch, came back and it HAD connected after all. .. I am mystified how it can work intermittently...
22:21.40elgit's the electrons
22:21.43elgthe ones with bad attitudes
22:21.58elgyou need to purge them
22:22.09elgsjansen will sell you a rubber chicken - you use that for insulation
22:24.27sjansenCaveat emptor.
22:30.44bonez44swell
22:36.30elgcaveat irctor
22:40.17sontekhave any of you guys ran andLinux before?
22:40.20sontekits awesome =)
22:40.29leviWhat is it?
22:40.31sontekI don't mind using windows now :)
22:40.40sonteklevi: allows you to run linux apps on windows
22:41.03leviIn a different manner than vmware does?
22:41.11sonteklevi: semi-natively
22:41.20fozzmooSounds interesting.
22:41.21sonteklevi: it runs coLinux in the background
22:41.38sontekI have a *real* terminal running what feels like natively in Vista right now
22:42.05fozzmooI want the other way around.
22:42.05leviI really don't use too many Linux GUI apps.
22:42.36sonteklevi: I'm not running any gui apps right now other than a terminal
22:42.41sontekbut cmd in windows is terrible
22:42.53sontekthis gives me the ability to have a real terminal
22:43.18leviI get by just fine with a bunch of open source apps running on Windows and either a remote Linux box or a vmware instance.
22:43.20sontekI had all the gnu tools (screen, find, grep, etc) installed in cmd but they felt funny
22:43.25sonteknow I can use them all properly :)
22:43.34leviYou can get rxvt for Windows.
22:43.53sontekI thought you had to run it via cygwin
22:44.26leviOr mingw.
22:44.40tensaiusing windows makes me angry. I can't do it for more than about 2-3 weeks.
22:44.54levitensai: You should see a counselor about that. :P
22:45.10sontektensai: I was hating life last night, but now i'm actually enjoying it :)
22:45.12tensailevi: if I thought it was a bad thing, I would :D
22:45.31sontekI've got a terminal, gimp, inkscape, vim, and all the gnu tools
22:45.43sontekI can't think of one thing I use in Linux that I don't have in windows right now
22:45.51tensaisontek: I can't deny the geekiness of that. still seems like lipstick on a pig though.
22:45.58sontekhaha
22:46.04tensaisontek: iptables :)
22:46.13sontektensai: thats what my linux router is for ;)
22:46.22sontektensai: I don't run iptables on my lappy :p
22:46.32sontektensai: but you can do route statements in windows
22:46.40sontektensai: even ono winxp
22:47.12sontekso you can have stuff like dev network interface and external interface
22:47.23leviAnyway, putty makes a fine terminal.
22:47.58sontekyou can't click on links in irssi when using putty
22:48.16levitensai: If the programs you run aren't the meat of your computing experience, you're doing it wrong.
22:49.00levisontek: True, but I don't click on links in irssi anyway.
22:50.56sontekThat was one thing that was annoying me
22:51.21sontekand plus putty has to shell out
22:51.28sontekyou can't use it locally
22:51.39sontekunless you enable telnet and telnet into yourself (which i've done :P)
22:52.13sontekso doing stuff like find and grep aren't possible
22:52.43leviYeah, I just have those installed via cygwin.
22:53.01leviIt's not a perfect solution, but I find it pretty adequate.
22:53.06sontekyou can't full screen cygwin
22:53.12leviI wouldn't want to.
22:53.14sontekbut I guess you could ssh into it via putty :P
22:53.47leviI just use it via the regular cmd.exe shell (running bash).
22:54.26sontekYeah, I couldn't stand cmd, but having xterm on here is great
22:54.35leviWhich is not a great terminal, but it works.
22:54.59sontekyeah, Now I don't have to settle, I've got the same term I use in Linux :P
22:55.16leviI like to stay flexible and avoid feeling like I absolutely have to have a certain environment to function.
22:55.24tensailevi: I don't drive my car just for the quality of the upholstery, but if the seats were inlaid with rusty nails that would definitely detract from the experience
22:55.24sontekIts crazy, but I have every important tool on Linux natively running on windows right now :P
22:56.00tensaisimilarly, I could probably find what I need in windows, but I enjoy it much more in linux
22:56.24levitensai: I think that's a pretty poor analogy.
22:56.24Jayce^wow, talk about getting the point across http://www.methproject.org/ads/run/Pri_bathroom.jpg
22:57.17synicwhoa
22:57.25leviUm, okay.
22:58.15sontekthe only thing I'm missing from linux is being able to hit alt and drag a window :P
22:58.24sontekknow of a solution for that?
23:01.28leviJayce^: Most of their ads are pretty disturbing.
23:08.13elgsontek: lots of window managers do that
23:08.14harleypigTheir tv ads are wierd.
23:08.28elgtry holding down the window key (meta, whatever you like to call it)
23:08.47levielg: He's in Windows, though.
23:08.55harleypigFrom io9's review of the Hulk trailer: And what would a superhero movie be without the soaking wet lady/clingy clothes scene which Betty Ross (Liv Tyler) gives on a rainy bridge.
23:08.58elgoh, i misparsed his sentence
23:08.59harleypigI'm there.
23:09.05elgand since i wasn't following along...
23:09.32harleypigNow picture *me* in the clingy clothes scene in the rain on the bridge
23:09.36harleypiglaughs evilly.
23:10.56leviI'll stick with the Liv Tyler mental image, thanks.
23:11.40harleypig:]
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23:15.38sontekelg: yeah, i'm looking for Linux wm functionality in windows
23:15.49sontekelg: i'm doing good so far :P
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23:19.23levihttp://www.howtogeek.com/howto/windows-vista/get-the-linux-altwindow-drag-functionality-in-windows/
23:19.24brac[Get the Linux Alt+Window Drag Functionality in Windows :: the How-To Geek]
23:20.15fozzmooWhat does ALT+Drag do?
23:20.20fozzmooIs that a Guh... nome thing?
23:20.55leviIt drags a window from any point within it.
23:21.06leviIt does work within Gnome, but I don't think it originated there.
23:21.35fozzmooHuh.
23:21.39fozzmooI've never used that. It's nice.
23:22.07leviYeah, especially if you have a small screen and the title bar is off the top.
23:22.16fozzmooYeah. i can see that.
23:22.22fozzmooWow. I learned something new!
23:22.26fozzmooThanks!
23:22.58leviNo problem.
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23:43.44sjansen~steal fozzmoo's knowledge
23:43.44ibotACTION grabs fozzmoo's knowledge and gives it to sjansen
23:44.11fozzmooUhhh... WTF
23:44.47rsimpkinsWoot, plug.org in new home.
23:44.54rsimpkinselg: You 'round?
23:44.59elgyar
23:45.09rsimpkinsWhat's the plan fur DNS sir?
23:45.25elgtell me the IP and i'll see what I can do
23:45.59rsimpkins216.194.126.66
23:47.00rsimpkinsUpdating plug.org zone now.
23:48.06elgthat's nice
23:48.23elgbut it won't help :) i managed to get everydns to listen to me, and it's pointing at my dns server now
23:48.48elglater (as in maybe tomorrow) I can change it back to plug as the master
23:49.12rsimpkinsOkay, zone looks good.
23:49.27rsimpkinsokay, it is ready when you are.
23:49.39elg~nslookup plug.org
23:49.50rsimpkinsdig plug.org @216.194.126.66
23:49.53elgsleep 179
23:53.16elg~nslookup plug.org
23:53.26elgpity, they have it cached
23:53.40elgwell, when they refresh the cache (i don't know how often they do, but it's at least every day) it'll work
23:55.08keldwudmeh, filing for paternity is so tedious
23:56.01rsimpkinsokay, well - I'm going home. Freel free to panic as needed. :)

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