| 00:03.29 | *** join/#utah sjansen (n=sjansen@75-169-116-114.slkc.qwest.net) |
| 00:03.44 | sjansen | Hans Reiser has been found guilty. |
| 00:13.46 | sjansen | http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/hans_reiser_trial/#49144716 |
| 00:41.27 | Supaplex | anyone have a terminal server collecting dust? like a cisco 2511 with octal cables? :) |
| 00:42.18 | herlo | I will challenge anyone at the release party to a foosball game. Loser buys soda |
| 00:45.21 | *** join/#utah unum (n=unum@70.89.247.221) |
| 00:45.40 | *** join/#utah unum_ (n=unum@70.89.247.221) |
| 00:50.00 | *** join/#utah Midorikawa (n=insanemo@75-169-219-145.slkc.qwest.net) |
| 00:51.53 | *** join/#utah beandog (n=steve@gentoo/developer/beandog) |
| 01:05.55 | findlay | NaCO2 |
| 01:06.04 | findlay | Na(CO2)2 |
| 01:06.10 | findlay | soda |
| 01:07.22 | *** join/#utah tripzer1 (n=tripzero@c-67-177-46-190.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 01:07.46 | tripzer1 | if i can echo "blah" >>blah.txt to append something, how do I prepend something? |
| 01:07.58 | Tene | tripzer1: you don't. |
| 01:08.09 | tripzer1 | :( |
| 01:10.39 | beandog | you mean like add it to the top? |
| 01:12.03 | Tene | tripzer1: TMP=`mktemp`; echo blah > $TMP; cat file.txt >> $TMP; mv $TMP file.txt |
| 01:12.07 | Tene | approximately. |
| 01:15.34 | keldwud | trying to install a blue tooth dongle with a xandros distro. any suggestions on where I should start? |
| 01:16.30 | *** join/#utah nearn (n=burn@64.251.22.233) |
| 01:20.59 | Supaplex | tripzer1: ( tac blah.txt ; echo blah ) | tac > blah2.txt |
| 01:21.21 | tripzer1 | ooOOo, "tac" ? |
| 01:21.26 | tripzer1 | mans tac |
| 01:21.49 | Tene | Supaplex: you mean: echo halb |
| 01:21.55 | Tene | oh, nevermind. |
| 01:21.56 | Tene | you're right. |
| 01:23.00 | keldwud | hey supa, got any suggestions for linux AND windows compatible multiplayer strategy games? me and my buddy are sitting next to each other with laptops and want to play a game kind of like axis and allies. |
| 01:23.00 | tripzer1 | "\n" = newline right? |
| 01:23.19 | keldwud | or does anybody else have a good suggestion/ |
| 01:24.02 | Tene | keldwud: wesnoth is the traditional default. |
| 01:24.23 | sontek | keldwud: Play FPS =) UT2k4, Quake3 (I suggest urban terror mod), BZ Flag, etc =) |
| 01:24.52 | *** join/#utah peno (i=peno@slacknet.com) |
| 01:24.57 | Supaplex | keldwud: Tremulous? |
| 01:25.17 | keldwud | I as thinking of wesnoth too |
| 01:25.21 | keldwud | he was scared of it :) |
| 01:25.38 | keldwud | and yeah tremulous is teh win too. I suggested both of those and he shot them both down |
| 01:25.42 | sontek | most run well under wine |
| 01:25.53 | sontek | I've ran warcraft 3 and starcraft under wine before |
| 01:26.37 | keldwud | oh I'm not a big fan of wine |
| 01:26.41 | sontek | you could try http://www.boswars.org/ |
| 01:26.47 | brac | [Bos Wars] |
| 01:27.11 | keldwud | looks good :) |
| 01:27.30 | sontek | Those are the guys from freecraft |
| 01:27.44 | sontek | after freecraft shutdown they started strategus and then went on to bos wars |
| 01:27.44 | keldwud | I am for sure going to install those three suggestions but what about a turn based as opposed to real time? |
| 01:27.53 | sontek | dunno the history of all of it, but they seem dedicated to this one :P |
| 01:27.58 | Tene | keldwud: wesnoth is turn-based |
| 01:28.04 | sontek | keldwud: wesnoth or freeciv |
| 01:28.13 | keldwud | I should make him install wesnoth then |
| 01:28.21 | sontek | keldwud: freeciv is good too |
| 01:28.24 | keldwud | I was planning on doing that today and he kept saying no. |
| 01:28.31 | keldwud | oh there's freeciv? swee |
| 01:28.32 | keldwud | t |
| 01:28.34 | *** join/#utah devhen|Work (n=devhen@216.194.118.110) |
| 01:28.46 | sontek | I want to start playing games again |
| 01:28.48 | sontek | its been so long |
| 01:28.53 | keldwud | haha :) |
| 01:29.08 | sontek | I was a badass at starcraft and counter-strike |
| 01:29.15 | sontek | I used to play tournies :P |
| 01:29.37 | keldwud | I was badass at doom over crossover cable! |
| 01:31.00 | sontek | I didn't really start my love for gaming until Duke Nukem |
| 01:33.24 | keldwud | oh wow, I love the simplicity of sudo apt-get install wesnoth |
| 01:33.29 | keldwud | sighs dreamily |
| 01:33.43 | findlay | sudo apt-get emerge gentoo |
| 01:33.52 | beandog | :) |
| 01:33.59 | keldwud | package managers are sexy |
| 01:34.03 | Supaplex | E: Invalid operation emerge |
| 01:34.03 | beandog | gentoo has *so* many freaking games, too |
| 01:34.04 | beandog | its instane. |
| 01:34.09 | beandog | insane |
| 01:34.14 | keldwud | I don't think I can ever go back to the windows way of installing things |
| 01:34.36 | findlay | keldwud++ |
| 01:34.51 | keldwud | oh I get two plus symbols? how come? |
| 01:34.51 | Supaplex | keldwud =~ s/the // s/way.*// |
| 01:34.58 | Supaplex | ibot: karma keldwud |
| 01:34.58 | ibot | keldwud has neutral karma |
| 01:35.03 | keldwud | laughs |
| 01:35.05 | Supaplex | ibot: karma Supaplex |
| 01:35.06 | ibot | supaplex has karma of 1 |
| 01:35.07 | keldwud | what just happened? |
| 01:35.14 | keldwud | scratches head |
| 01:35.23 | Supaplex | findlay: frogot ~keldwud++ |
| 01:35.37 | sontek | ~karma sontek |
| 01:35.38 | ibot | sontek has karma of 1 |
| 01:36.36 | findlay | ~keldwud++ |
| 01:36.44 | findlay | ~karma fozzmoo |
| 01:36.44 | ibot | fozzmoo has neutral karma |
| 01:36.47 | findlay | ~karma findlay |
| 01:36.47 | ibot | findlay has neutral karma |
| 01:36.50 | keldwud | uh oh. my 7inch screen is too small |
| 01:37.02 | *** join/#utah redbeard3 (n=redbeard@uslec-63-243-69-198.cust.uslec.net) |
| 01:37.04 | sontek | keldwud: don't let her get you down, size doesn't matter |
| 01:37.06 | keldwud | looks into the --windowed option to figure out how to make it right |
| 01:37.10 | Tene | ETOOMANYREDBEARD |
| 01:37.22 | findlay | keldwud: I'm at a lower lattitude, mine is therefore smaller due to coreolis forces :( |
| 01:37.34 | keldwud | lmfao |
| 01:38.00 | keldwud | anybody know how to properly use the --windowed option for wesnoth to run on a 7inch screen? |
| 01:39.00 | findlay | what's wesnoth? |
| 01:39.07 | keldwud | is reading through the wesnoth man |
| 01:39.19 | findlay | eh |
| 01:39.25 | findlay | emerge bzflag :) |
| 01:39.26 | keldwud | findlay: http://shutupandgoogleit.com/ ;) |
| 01:39.27 | keldwud | hehe |
| 01:39.29 | keldwud | ducks |
| 01:39.31 | brac | [shut up and google it] |
| 01:39.32 | Supaplex | a screen? is that a bigger telegraph? |
| 01:40.23 | findlay | keldwud: that's funny |
| 01:40.35 | keldwud | it's my favorite link to hand out because it's a real site :) |
| 01:41.23 | findlay | but, then again, I'm at a higher altitude, so that may mitigate the net change in acceleration, hm ... |
| 01:48.15 | *** join/#utah lakshmi (n=shnocksh@66-240-25-49.isp.comcastbusiness.net) |
| 01:49.48 | *** join/#utah keldwud (n=keldwud@72.8.114.227) |
| 01:55.17 | findlay | ~date |
| 01:55.19 | ibot | It is now 2008.04.29 1:55:19 GMT |
| 02:01.54 | keldwud | I am totally failing @ running triplea |
| 02:02.11 | keldwud | tried sudo - permission denied |
| 02:02.20 | keldwud | tried logging in as root -permission denied |
| 02:02.24 | keldwud | ./triplea_unix.sh |
| 02:02.27 | keldwud | damn |
| 02:06.33 | keldwud | okay I have a clue for the wesnoth on a 7inch screen |
| 02:06.34 | keldwud | it says |
| 02:08.06 | keldwud | try running the program with the --windowed option using a 16bpp X windows setting |
| 02:08.13 | keldwud | could not initialize display |
| 02:08.30 | keldwud | needs help deciphering |
| 02:15.37 | *** join/#utah tiwula (n=lane@208.64.90.18.static.utahbroadband.com) |
| 03:08.40 | Supaplex | now this should be fun. let's see if I can get freebsd 4.4 installed from netboot+nfs |
| 03:14.12 | *** join/#utah TimRiker (n=timr@rikers.org) |
| 03:14.13 | *** mode/#utah [+o TimRiker] by ChanServ |
| 03:18.14 | Supaplex | hey tim =( |
| 03:18.20 | Supaplex | s/\(/)/ |
| 03:33.39 | *** join/#utah wps (n=wps@208.53.47.251) |
| 03:36.52 | *** join/#utah levi-erc (n=user@levi.dsl.xmission.com) |
| 03:37.09 | levi-erc | Ahh, good, the configuration option to keep the prompt at the bottom of the screen works. |
| 03:37.20 | levi-erc | I think I could switch over to this full-time. |
| 03:41.14 | *** join/#utah levi (n=user@levi.dsl.xmission.com) |
| 03:42.08 | levi | Yay for emacs. :) |
| 03:43.27 | *** join/#utah undertakingyou (n=will@undertakingyou.dsl.xmission.com) |
| 03:44.15 | Supaplex | schweet. freebsd 4.4 booted from pxegrub. |
| 03:54.26 | levi | Whatcha installing freebsd for? |
| 03:55.08 | Supaplex | juniper simulator for junos etc |
| 03:58.54 | findlay | cues The Planets |
| 03:58.58 | findlay | by Holst |
| 03:59.13 | findlay | that reminds me of a blog entry I need to finish |
| 03:59.39 | levi | Mmm, The Planets. |
| 04:00.10 | findlay | levi: what's your favorite one? |
| 04:00.30 | findlay | mine's Mercury |
| 04:02.15 | levi | I don't remember. |
| 04:02.20 | levi | I like most of them, though. |
| 04:03.34 | findlay | named his laptop hermes after the god of travelers, orators, wit, literature, poets, weights and measures, invention, commerce, and cunning. A bringer of dreams, a watcher by night, a thief at the gates, one who was soon to show forth wonderful deeds among the deathless gods |
| 04:03.41 | findlay | hermes, that is |
| 04:03.48 | findlay | </wikipedia> |
| 04:03.55 | findlay | oh, nevermind |
| 04:04.12 | levi | is attempting to reinstall Ubuntu on his father-in-law's pc. |
| 04:04.34 | findlay | ubuntu is so awesome these days it might break it |
| 04:07.54 | findlay | well, it's gnucash time |
| 04:08.04 | findlay | I've put it off long enough |
| 04:08.23 | levi | What are you going to do with gnucash? |
| 04:10.31 | findlay | it is going to eat all my recipts and autoproduce amazingly colorful graphviz images depicting how I spent all this money on stuff and that girl that turned out she didn't like me anyway |
| 04:15.32 | findlay | what else does one do with gnucash? |
| 04:20.57 | levi | Yeah, girls are like that. ;) |
| 04:26.47 | levi | So, they found Reiser guilty. |
| 04:37.04 | tensai | wow |
| 04:39.09 | Supaplex | stabs nfs install in the eye |
| 04:54.32 | *** part/#utah tripzer1 (n=tripzero@c-67-177-46-190.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 04:55.32 | *** join/#utah Midorikawa (n=insanemo@oldoffice.bluehost.com) |
| 04:59.50 | levi | Apparently he shot himself in the foot by taking the stand repeatedly to try to explain all the bizarre stuff he did. |
| 05:09.42 | *** join/#utah sinuhe (n=user@kaptah.deevans.net) |
| 05:13.13 | *** join/#utah bonez44 (n=scott@75.145.58.209) |
| 05:25.07 | *** join/#utah Sargun (n=Sargun@atarack/staff/sargun) |
| 06:25.12 | *** join/#utah _ccjoe_ (n=ccjoe@75-169-39-184.slkc.qwest.net) |
| 06:29.03 | *** join/#utah zjf (n=insanemo@oldoffice.bluehost.com) |
| 06:30.29 | *** join/#utah beandog (n=steve@gentoo/developer/beandog) |
| 06:34.30 | sontek | hey, anyone know perl? Need to know how to handle an array of an array properly |
| 06:35.24 | sontek | http://rafb.net/p/AGj8Zm22.html |
| 06:35.30 | sontek | thats the array some of it |
| 06:35.38 | sontek | I need to loop through and grab all the screen names |
| 06:49.01 | levi | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:49.06 | levi | Oops. |
| 06:50.20 | levi | sontek: I keep learning perl, but then I forget it again. |
| 06:50.47 | sontek | I haven't spent the time to learn it yet, just trying to finish up this script :P |
| 06:51.14 | levi | Personally, I think it's too complex, but lots of people seem to like it. |
| 06:51.31 | levi | Once I've got it loaded into my brain, I don't have much to complain about. |
| 06:51.48 | levi | I don't use it often enough to keep it there, though. |
| 06:55.08 | levi | Anyway, I need to sleep. |
| 07:05.53 | bonez44 | sleep |
| 07:05.54 | *** part/#utah bonez44 (n=scott@75.145.58.209) |
| 07:11.12 | sontek | I figured it out =) |
| 08:07.00 | sontek | anyone awake want to test latest irssi twitter? |
| 08:07.15 | Sargun | no |
| 08:07.18 | sontek | grr |
| 08:30.49 | *** join/#utah sontek (n=sontek@opensuse/member/Sontek) |
| 08:37.32 | *** join/#utah sontek (n=sontek@opensuse/member/Sontek) |
| 12:01.56 | *** join/#utah ^Migs^ (n=Migs@wsddevdude.weber.k12.ut.us) |
| 12:50.39 | *** join/#utah mrpull-lt (n=Jake@mail.pollmann.us) |
| 13:08.59 | *** join/#utah gshipley (n=gshipley@nat/redhat/x-2219ef4a773ad43a) |
| 13:12.33 | *** join/#utah emcnabb (n=emcnabb@nat/redhat/x-f61bc04f196e240f) |
| 13:12.33 | *** mode/#utah [+v emcnabb] by ChanServ |
| 13:17.45 | *** join/#utah elg (n=fugalh@216.31.27.110) |
| 13:17.45 | *** mode/#utah [+v elg] by ChanServ |
| 13:18.00 | elg | ~lart emcnabb |
| 13:18.00 | ibot | slams emcnabb against a large cement Tux |
| 13:18.26 | emcnabb | ~lart elg |
| 13:18.26 | ibot | takes a rusty axe and swings it violently, taking elg's head off |
| 13:19.09 | elg | ~forgive emcnabb |
| 13:19.09 | ibot | Well, emcnabb boy, I guess I could do that. But I believe forgiving is God's job, I'm just arranging the meeting. *blows emcnabb head apart with .44 magnum* |
| 13:19.23 | emcnabb | oh my |
| 13:42.58 | *** join/#utah macnewbold (n=mac@166.70.178.114) |
| 13:50.28 | *** join/#utah unum (n=unum@70.89.247.221) |
| 14:24.54 | *** join/#utah elg (n=fugalh@fugalh.NMSU.Edu) |
| 14:24.54 | *** mode/#utah [+v elg] by ChanServ |
| 14:27.45 | elg | -excuse |
| 14:27.45 | brac | system needs to be rebooted |
| 14:30.40 | sinuhe | That was an interesting wat to start the morning. |
| 14:30.44 | sinuhe | s/wat/way/ |
| 14:33.58 | *** join/#utah sargun (n=sargun@64-142-51-251.dsl.static.sonic.net) |
| 14:35.02 | *** join/#utah thaddeusq (n=thaddeus@216.49.181.128) |
| 14:52.29 | *** join/#utah decriptor (n=decripto@166-70-62-135.ip.xmission.com) |
| 14:53.25 | *** join/#utah TimRiker (n=timr@70-7-114-120.area7.spcsdns.net) |
| 14:53.25 | *** mode/#utah [+o TimRiker] by ChanServ |
| 14:55.49 | *** join/#utah trixtur (n=trixtur@166-70-62-135.ip.xmission.com) |
| 14:55.57 | brac | [An IRC Tutorial] |
| 14:56.36 | *** mode/#utah [+o elg] by ChanServ |
| 14:56.36 | goozbach | wonders where sontek went... |
| 14:58.24 | *** topic/#utah by elg -> http://plug.org/irc | Channel log @ http://ibot.rikers.org/%23utah/ | UTOSC 2008 Call for Papers @ http://2008.utosc.com | PLUG server has new home, will probably move week of April 28th. | Ubuntu 8.04 released - use the torrents - http://releases.ubuntu.com/8.04/ | elg is looking for volunteers to proofread a literature review on computer music April 29/30 |
| 15:01.30 | eggyknap | elg: how long's the review? |
| 15:01.54 | elg | as long as you make it. ;-) the paper is roughly 40-50 pages (not quite done yet) |
| 15:02.07 | eggyknap | lol :) |
| 15:02.20 | eggyknap | I'm willing to proofread at least the part of it I end up having time for. |
| 15:02.28 | elg | any help is welcome, even if it's just a cursory scan |
| 15:02.29 | eggyknap | ...or until I get really bored wtih it :) |
| 15:02.33 | elg | cool, I'll let you know |
| 15:02.34 | elg | haha |
| 15:02.44 | elg | maybe i won't bother sending it to you then... |
| 15:03.14 | eggyknap | heh :) I expect I'll find it interesting. Computer music is one of those things I've been playing with lately. |
| 15:04.50 | *** join/#utah sontek (n=sontek@opensuse/member/Sontek) |
| 15:05.41 | encryptz | sontek: no, never got it working. too many dependancies that i didn't have installed, then errors running it |
| 15:05.50 | encryptz | well, actually, no errors. it would just unload |
| 15:09.05 | *** join/#utah Sargun (n=Sargun@atarack/staff/sargun) |
| 15:09.57 | *** join/#utah fungus (n=olsonl@bromine.sosstaffing.com) |
| 15:19.11 | *** join/#utah wps (n=wps@64.0.192.242) |
| 15:23.49 | *** join/#utah shnockshnee_ (n=shnocksh@66-240-25-49.isp.comcastbusiness.net) |
| 15:29.22 | decriptor | for any opensuse lurkers, there is #opensuse-us-ut now |
| 15:30.32 | elg | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:32.14 | *** join/#utah Tadaka (n=Tadaka@c-67-169-241-41.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 15:34.10 | *** join/#utah dmdavis (n=dmdavis@67.214.225.122) |
| 15:38.19 | *** join/#utah sontek (n=sontek@opensuse/member/Sontek) |
| 15:40.15 | *** join/#utah sontek (n=sontek@opensuse/member/Sontek) |
| 15:40.52 | elg | ~onjoin sontek this is backwards backwards text. |
| 15:40.52 | ibot | ok, elg |
| 15:41.10 | sontek | nooooooo |
| 15:41.15 | sontek | ~backwards elg |
| 15:41.20 | sontek | ~backwardstext elg |
| 15:41.25 | sontek | dang, forgot what it was |
| 15:41.32 | sontek | rikers added that feature though :P |
| 15:41.56 | sontek | encryptz: when you have time #twitter-irssi and we can help you get it up and running |
| 15:42.36 | elg | ~reverse sontek |
| 15:42.47 | elg | ~upsidedown sontek |
| 15:43.07 | elg | ~upsidedown naïve |
| 15:43.14 | elg | victory |
| 15:44.42 | sontek | nice :) |
| 15:50.40 | *** join/#utah brasto (n=brasto@166.70.44.49) |
| 16:00.30 | *** join/#utah sjansen (n=sjansen@hq-nat2.gurulabs.com) |
| 16:01.53 | harleypig | and monkeys will fly out of my BUTT! |
| 16:03.19 | sjansen | And in other news, Microsoft today announced their plans to rename PlaysForSure to ScrewedForSure. Referring to the name change, CEO Steve Ballmer said "Microsoft has always been committed to leveraging our core competencies to generate value for investors. We just wanted customers to know where they fit in that equation." |
| 16:05.24 | sjansen | http://www.eff.org/press/archives/2008/04/28 |
| 16:05.59 | harleypig | http://bash.org/?857578 |
| 16:05.59 | brac | [QDB: Quote #857578] |
| 16:06.03 | harleypig | sfw |
| 16:07.06 | *** part/#utah pelaofeliz (n=PelaoFel@67.108.236.230) |
| 16:07.47 | elg | and don't have to blow people up to get them |
| 16:08.52 | harleypig | too true |
| 16:11.07 | *** join/#utah levi (n=user@levi.dsl.xmission.com) |
| 16:13.22 | sjansen | Per capita, there are probably as many Muslims eager to blow themselves up for virgins as there are Mormons eager to "marry" thirteen year olds. |
| 16:13.46 | sjansen | In other words, don't let bin Laden make you think he's a representative sample. |
| 16:17.40 | findlay | why do domain transfers take so long? |
| 16:18.09 | findlay | it's 2008 and the intertubes are there to automate and facilitate such thinge |
| 16:18.12 | findlay | s/e/s/ |
| 16:18.36 | sjansen | findlay: Do you have any idea how hard it is to find a moving truck for a domain? |
| 16:18.40 | elg | sjansen: even among polygamist breakaway fundamental groups, 72 wives is a lot. |
| 16:19.24 | findlay | sjansen: I bet the registrars usually just fax a stack of forms to each other for each domain |
| 16:19.54 | findlay | then the CEO reviews each one by hand and sends a runner back to the other registrar with an envelope containing success |
| 16:20.30 | sjansen | Where can I find me an envelope of success? |
| 16:21.09 | findlay | yes, I am mocking the ridiculous amount of time it takes to transfer a domain. 5-7 business days?! Why? |
| 16:22.10 | findlay | sjansen: one that says sjansen and mrs sjansen will be solemnized for time and all eternity ... |
| 16:22.21 | elg | because overworked sysadmins have to manually make the changes |
| 16:22.34 | elg | overworked and probably with underdeveloped brains |
| 16:22.53 | peno | domain transfers are actually transmitted using RFC1149 |
| 16:22.59 | sjansen | "Well shoot, hand me the rusty nail, we have to transfer another domain." |
| 16:23.19 | findlay | elg: that is possible, but how hard is it to automate something like that, especially since it relates to your core business? |
| 16:23.50 | elg | harder than telling people it takes 5-7 days and being a corporate sloth that sucks the life out of people? |
| 16:25.51 | levi | orders a replacement mirror for his Miata. |
| 16:26.12 | findlay | ~rfc 1149 |
| 16:26.12 | ibot | it has been said that rfc 1149 is Standard for the transmission of IP datagrams on avian carriers. D. Waitzman. Apr-01-1990. (Format: TXT=3329 bytes) (Status: EXPERIMENTAL) |
| 16:26.22 | findlay | heh |
| 16:27.32 | sjansen | orders a baseball bat for levi's replacement mirror for his Miata |
| 16:29.32 | findlay | maybe all registrars are just evil |
| 16:32.29 | sjansen | wants minions to do his work for him |
| 16:32.42 | sjansen | Maybe it's time I moved into management... |
| 16:41.47 | *** join/#utah pelaofeliz (n=PelaoFel@67.108.236.230) |
| 17:02.45 | encryptz | need help here with fedora and networking/routing |
| 17:03.13 | encryptz | on ubuntu hardy, i'm running virtualbox to virtualize fedora. i want to setup networking between ubuntu and fedora |
| 17:03.49 | encryptz | so, virtualbox provides me with the VBoxTunctl tool to create a tap0 |
| 17:03.53 | Sargun | encryptz, Install Gentoo ;-P |
| 17:04.06 | encryptz | i give tap0 the ip of 192.168.1.100, and bring the device up |
| 17:04.19 | *** join/#utah tiwula (n=lane@75.148.99.197) |
| 17:04.20 | encryptz | i use parprouted to map wlan0 to tap0 |
| 17:04.59 | encryptz | then, i bring up fedora, and assign eth0 to 192.168.1.41, and i can successfully ssh to ubuntu, and vice-versa |
| 17:05.16 | encryptz | however, fedora can't get online. i suspect it has to do with my routing, but i can't get it |
| 17:05.29 | encryptz | Sargun: nah. my time is far too valuable |
| 17:06.36 | sjansen | encryptz: Is 192.168.1.* local to your box or is that the network your physical NIC is plugged into? If virtual only, you're going to need NAT. |
| 17:07.51 | encryptz | 192.168.1.0/24 is the network |
| 17:08.02 | sjansen | Physical network? |
| 17:08.06 | encryptz | yes |
| 17:08.26 | encryptz | i can ping all boxes on the network, and ssh fine |
| 17:08.40 | encryptz | from virtual fedora |
| 17:10.22 | encryptz | wait... |
| 17:10.57 | sjansen | Interesting, I've only ever worked with brctl not parprouted. |
| 17:12.28 | rsimpkins | Jayce^: ping |
| 17:12.37 | encryptz | bummer |
| 17:13.27 | findlay | -google parprouted |
| 17:13.28 | brac | parprouted: not found! |
| 17:13.55 | elg | -google findlay |
| 17:13.56 | brac | findlay: http://www.findlay.edu/ |
| 17:14.02 | findlay | yay |
| 17:14.16 | sjansen | encryptz: What was the "wait..." about? |
| 17:14.19 | goozbach | ~convert 61158 seconds to hours |
| 17:14.22 | elg | don't you get preferential treatment at that university? |
| 17:14.34 | findlay | probably |
| 17:14.59 | encryptz | sjansen: thought i had it figured, but apparently not |
| 17:15.10 | elg | -google fugal |
| 17:15.11 | brac | fugal: not found! |
| 17:15.11 | sjansen | ~convert 1 goozbach to strawberry shakes |
| 17:15.13 | encryptz | 192.168.1.111 is my nat/gateway, of which should be the default route |
| 17:15.18 | encryptz | or, at least i would think |
| 17:15.22 | elg | -google sjansen |
| 17:15.22 | brac | sjansen: http://lightfixation.com/ |
| 17:15.50 | goozbach | 1 goozbach is approx 3.45821 strawberry shakes |
| 17:15.51 | elg | sjansen, you didn't tell me you were a bison photographer |
| 17:15.52 | sjansen | Silly me, it only goes the other way. Strawberry shakes are converted to goozbachs. |
| 17:16.28 | elg | ~convert 1 goozbach to kilowatts |
| 17:17.03 | goozbach | 3.45821 is the average number of strawberry shakes a goozbach consumes on a GuruLabs travel week |
| 17:17.05 | elg | -insult ibot |
| 17:17.05 | brac | ibot is a mammering bucket of knotty-pated yoo-hoo |
| 17:17.14 | encryptz | hmm. i can get outside... i just can't resolve hostnames... |
| 17:17.36 | elg | wonders why he read that as "can't resolve pheremones" |
| 17:17.39 | findlay | encryptz: when you figure out a sane network configuration for virtual OSes, let me know :) |
| 17:17.55 | findlay | phonemes |
| 17:18.12 | elg | ~smell findlay |
| 17:18.50 | encryptz | findlay: well, i want each of my virtual oses to appear as regular boxen on the already existing network |
| 17:18.57 | findlay | right |
| 17:19.03 | rsimpkins | Jayce^: PING PING PING ;-) |
| 17:19.08 | sjansen | encryptz: Define "get outside". Ping? SSH? Have you tried using wireshark to see if the UDP packets are making it out? |
| 17:19.18 | rsimpkins | Oh come on, there is no way he is working. |
| 17:19.26 | rsimpkins | I bet they are all sitting around playing WoW. |
| 17:20.42 | findlay | encryptz: I don't know if this will help or not, but a year and a half ago when I was playing with xen it took me weeks to figure out that the virtual domains couldn't get any traffic out until they pinged the gateway, or the gateway pinged them to prime the route or something. I got as far as starting to dig through the xen network scripts and brctl before giving up |
| 17:22.11 | sjansen | findlay: You sure the extra time to run ping wasn't just enough delay for spanning tree to complete? |
| 17:22.46 | encryptz | sjansen: i can ping any ip. ssh, web, etc. does not work |
| 17:23.06 | findlay | sjansen: the domains could be running for several minutes or even hours before I stumbled over the ping initialization |
| 17:23.09 | encryptz | scratch that |
| 17:23.11 | sjansen | Sounds like simple firewall to me. |
| 17:23.11 | findlay | and then I would wonder what happened |
| 17:23.23 | encryptz | i just successfully ssh'd to the ip address of thor.gurulabs.com |
| 17:24.09 | sjansen | So we're back to ICMP and TCP work but UDP is unconfirmed. Have you tried wireshark yet? |
| 17:24.31 | encryptz | and there we have it |
| 17:24.56 | encryptz | /etc/resolv.conf kept getting overwritten (forgot about PEERDNS=no) with odd values |
| 17:25.11 | encryptz | head meet desk |
| 17:25.27 | sjansen | ~mallet encryptz |
| 17:26.09 | sjansen | ~hammer encryptz |
| 17:26.18 | sjansen | ~sledgehammer encryptz |
| 17:26.24 | sjansen | ~stupidbot encryptz |
| 17:26.31 | sjansen | ~dosomethingviolent encryptz |
| 17:26.40 | encryptz | ibot likes me |
| 17:26.40 | ibot | ACTION runs and gives encryptz a big bear-hug. |
| 17:26.45 | encryptz | see? |
| 17:26.51 | *** join/#utah pelaofeliz (n=PelaoFel@67.108.236.230) |
| 17:26.52 | sjansen | harrumph |
| 17:27.53 | *** part/#utah pelaofeliz (n=PelaoFel@67.108.236.230) |
| 17:27.57 | *** join/#utah pelaofeliz (n=PelaoFel@67.108.236.230) |
| 17:28.56 | sjansen | ~punish ibot |
| 17:28.56 | ibot | ACTION forces ibot to install and use Windows |
| 17:29.13 | sjansen | Ha! That'll learn ya good. |
| 17:30.01 | encryptz | ~badger sjansen |
| 17:32.45 | *** join/#utah tuple (n=fugalh@fugalh.NMSU.Edu) |
| 17:32.45 | *** mode/#utah [+v tuple] by ChanServ |
| 17:33.06 | *** join/#utah utahcon (n=barreta@bromine.sosstaffing.com) |
| 17:34.23 | *** join/#utah utahcon (n=barreta@bromine.sosstaffing.com) |
| 17:35.44 | *** join/#utah utahcon (n=barreta@bromine.sosstaffing.com) |
| 17:46.29 | *** join/#utah sontek (n=sontek@opensuse/member/Sontek) |
| 17:49.12 | encryptz | i'd like to see backwards upsidedown mirrored text |
| 17:49.44 | *** join/#utah sjansen (n=sjansen@hq-nat2.gurulabs.com) |
| 17:49.51 | sontek | ~upsidedown encryptz |
| 17:50.49 | findlay | ~upsidedownandbackwards sdrawkcabdnanwodedispu~ |
| 17:51.57 | sjansen | ~toomuchtime findlay |
| 17:53.19 | findlay | maybe I can just read backwards fast |
| 17:53.42 | findlay | ~scramble ~upsidedownandbackwards sdrawkcabdnanwodedispu~ |
| 17:55.30 | *** join/#utah sontek_ (n=sontek@opensuse/member/Sontek) |
| 17:57.12 | tuple | is almost, not quite, tempted to go to /. and see what the throngs have to say about the reiser verdict |
| 17:58.50 | tuple | for(i = 0; i < 2; i++) { switch(i) { case 0: a = array[i]; case 1: b = array[i];} } |
| 17:59.17 | tuple | maquis: you'll like that one |
| 18:01.12 | elg | "There is no reason to change the code to your version because they both do the same thing." |
| 18:01.25 | elg | (his version is a = array[0]; b = array[1];) |
| 18:03.37 | utahcon | I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if Reiser gets a commuted sentence or a very low level punishment. |
| 18:03.48 | utahcon | then again... |
| 18:03.59 | elg | why wouldn't you be surprised? |
| 18:04.29 | utahcon | Because the lack of evidence and the narture of the person. |
| 18:04.47 | utahcon | If he does do any time it will be very short, and more than likely in a very low security prison. |
| 18:05.57 | elg | i thought the sentence was to be 25 to life |
| 18:06.04 | tensai | elg: are you suggesting he leave the redundant for loop? |
| 18:06.14 | utahcon | I may be wrong |
| 18:06.17 | elg | i'm just relating a real life wtf |
| 18:06.18 | utahcon | <-- is not god |
| 18:06.32 | elg | his coworker is |
| 18:06.42 | elg | and/or others involved. came up in a code review |
| 18:06.56 | elg | he's sitting there wondering why in the world they are even having code reviews |
| 18:07.12 | sjansen | Just to make sure we're all on the same page, OJ is guilty 'cause he's black and we're not and Reiser is innocent 'cause he's a geek like us, right? |
| 18:07.42 | sontek | anyone want a job coding in .NET? =) |
| 18:07.59 | elg | i don't know if reiser is guilty, but from what little I've read it sounds like he is |
| 18:08.22 | sontek | sjansen: Reiser was innocent until he took the stand, and everyone knows geeks don't do well in social situations |
| 18:08.25 | sontek | he fell apart |
| 18:08.31 | elg | and if so he shouldn't get any preferential treatment for being a geek, a jerk, or for writing a filesystem |
| 18:08.38 | utahcon | elg and sjansen: I am not suggesting his geek let him go. I am suggesting a better more reliable evidence is needed, that is all. OJ was a total FUBAr |
| 18:08.43 | sontek | but even with his testimony, its not above reasonable doubt |
| 18:09.03 | sontek | and if there is any doubt, you can't convict that man |
| 18:09.20 | sontek | plus, reiserfs has a lot going for it, i'm sick of ext3 |
| 18:09.21 | elg | it's sad when justice breaks down, but I can't say whether it has |
| 18:09.21 | utahcon | I would wager he was actually served worse by being a geek |
| 18:09.30 | elg | certainly wouldn't be the first or last time, probably not even this year |
| 18:09.30 | sjansen | Yeah, sure, that's what I'm saying. We're all freaks too socially inept to talk to women let alone commit murder. |
| 18:09.40 | elg | otoh, might not be the first or last time this year that justice worked the way it should |
| 18:09.59 | *** join/#utah shnockshnee_ (n=shnocksh@66-240-25-49.isp.comcastbusiness.net) |
| 18:10.59 | elg | it's a turning point for reiserfs, to be sure |
| 18:11.29 | elg | it can fall apart, or it can work out its organizational issues and walk away |
| 18:12.05 | elg | apparently reiser himself has been a big part of the hinderance to accepting reiser4 into the kernel. so it may even be a positive turn for the project |
| 18:12.08 | elg | depending on how they handle it |
| 18:12.19 | sjansen | reiserfs? No, reiserfs was abandoned long ago. Now reiser4 might still have a future. |
| 18:12.40 | elg | ok, didn't know there was a distinction |
| 18:12.44 | elg | isn't a reiser user |
| 18:13.14 | tensai | has a fondness for reiserfs |
| 18:13.27 | tensai | it rocks for mail servers. blows away anything else. |
| 18:13.53 | *** join/#utah pelaofeliz (n=PelaoFel@67.108.236.230) |
| 18:14.07 | elg | are you saying it's a killer filesystem? |
| 18:16.06 | encryptz | i thought firefox 3 was supposed to fix hogging all my memory |
| 18:16.34 | utahcon | firefox isn't a memory hog |
| 18:16.36 | utahcon | the addons are |
| 18:16.52 | elg | encryptz: no, sorry, that was sjansen's memory |
| 18:16.55 | elg | yours is still fair game |
| 18:17.04 | encryptz | firefox is a memory hog |
| 18:17.25 | encryptz | but yes, the addons are worse |
| 18:18.07 | utahcon | until there is a browser as good/better with the same flexibility... I am a memory hog... err... firefox lover. |
| 18:18.26 | encryptz | epiphany comes close |
| 18:18.39 | encryptz | at a fraction of the footprint |
| 18:19.05 | elg | even I don't fret much about the footprint of programs |
| 18:19.13 | elg | if *I* can afford the RAM... |
| 18:19.18 | utahcon | lol |
| 18:19.43 | encryptz | well, when i've got 4GB, and 14% is being eaten by firefox, i wonder... |
| 18:19.52 | elg | is it a memory hog? yes. would it be better if it wasn't a memory hog? yes. |
| 18:20.10 | utahcon | are you running firefox with no addons? |
| 18:20.27 | encryptz | no |
| 18:20.32 | elg | so your claim is that firefox is using 560M of active RAM? |
| 18:20.35 | utahcon | I have never done it, but I wonder the total difference in memory usage (leakage) with no addons vs addons |
| 18:21.00 | encryptz | elg: i only see what htop reports |
| 18:21.01 | utahcon | I may have to dedicate a weekend to such a task. |
| 18:22.41 | encryptz | i wouldn't gripe if firefox would remain snappy during extended periods of usage. but, when ctrl+l takes 3 seconds to reach the address bar, i get annoyed, and restart it |
| 18:22.44 | elg | encryptz: so the RES column is 560M? |
| 18:22.53 | encryptz | elg: yes |
| 18:23.14 | utahcon | I hate when closing tabs takes a while :D |
| 18:23.18 | encryptz | 563 actually |
| 18:24.01 | elg | so, if you ran 8 instances of firefox, you'd start swapping |
| 18:25.09 | encryptz | why would i want it to start swapping? it's laggy already |
| 18:25.21 | elg | laggy? |
| 18:25.40 | utahcon | slow |
| 18:25.46 | utahcon | unresponsive |
| 18:26.23 | lakshmi | is away: i'm obviously afk, so CALL ME |
| 18:27.06 | elg | as in, your 4G machine is swapping because firefox is taking 14%? |
| 18:27.50 | elg | because unless you're swapping, firefox taking 14% ain't gonna slow nothin' donw |
| 18:28.13 | encryptz | no. it's not swapping. as in, firefox takes 2s to open a new tab. 4s to go to the address bar. etc |
| 18:28.31 | encryptz | killing and restarting fixes the issue |
| 18:28.42 | elg | what does that have to do with memory? |
| 18:28.57 | elg | other than they might both be a symptom of the same problem |
| 18:29.05 | encryptz | i figure its lack of ability to address that much |
| 18:29.12 | encryptz | shrugs |
| 18:29.15 | utahcon | if you kill and restart firefox it will release the memory it has locked and isnt using |
| 18:29.36 | encryptz | when it's slow, it's using considerable ram. when it's responsive, it's not |
| 18:30.25 | elg | no, addressing wouldn't be an issue. that's the kernel |
| 18:30.41 | elg | you can address any address in your virtual memory space just as quickly as the other |
| 18:30.50 | elg | you're observing a correlation, not a cause |
| 18:31.23 | encryptz | what conclusion are you drawing then? that the kernel can't address 500MB ram for 1 application? |
| 18:31.32 | elg | i'm not drawing that conclusino |
| 18:31.47 | elg | my only conclusion is that when you observe firefox slowing down, apparently it uses more memory too |
| 18:32.17 | encryptz | correct. the more memory, the slower |
| 18:33.07 | elg | but no causal relationship |
| 18:33.58 | encryptz | so, it's not related? |
| 18:34.15 | elg | it would seem they are related |
| 18:34.26 | encryptz | i'm confused |
| 18:34.27 | elg | but hogging memory doesn't seem to be *causing* the slowdown |
| 18:34.42 | encryptz | then what is? |
| 18:35.23 | elg | something else is causing the slowdown and the memory hogging both |
| 18:35.23 | elg | i.e. a bug |
| 18:35.23 | elg | or a bad design decision |
| 18:35.23 | elg | or who knows what |
| 18:35.23 | elg | the memory hogging is a symptom just like the slowdown is |
| 18:36.48 | elg | you can test it yourself. write a program to do something cpu-hungry for a few seconds and benchmark it |
| 18:37.18 | elg | then insert a malloc(600*1024*1024) at the beginning and benchmark it again |
| 18:37.35 | elg | there will be possibly a slight delay due to the malloc, but the program will run just as fast |
| 18:37.58 | elg | even if you randomly flip a bit somewhere in the huge array you malloc'd |
| 18:38.04 | elg | every time through the loop |
| 18:41.21 | encryptz | fair enough |
| 18:45.21 | unum | anyone at the trial? |
| 18:55.08 | utahcon | trial |
| 18:55.09 | utahcon | ? |
| 18:57.45 | unum | sco vs novell |
| 18:57.51 | unum | or is it novell vs sco now? |
| 18:59.34 | *** join/#utah beandog (n=steve@gentoo/developer/beandog) |
| 19:06.32 | *** join/#utah levi (n=user@levi.dsl.xmission.com) |
| 19:06.58 | elg | ~welcome levi the pirate |
| 19:07.01 | ibot | Hey, levi the pirate! Glad you could join us. |
| 19:09.59 | gshipley | sco owns c++ |
| 19:10.08 | gshipley | or so Mr Darryl claimed when I worke dthere |
| 19:12.02 | tensai | methinks he was somewhat confused |
| 19:12.59 | gshipley | tensai: Well, he claimed SCO owns the copyrights and patents around C++ and hinted that people should pay them a royalty |
| 19:14.38 | utahcon | how it must be to be that full of yourself |
| 19:15.08 | gshipley | well, you kind of have understand |
| 19:15.14 | gshipley | he just repeats what people tell him |
| 19:15.23 | gshipley | he can hardly turn a computer on |
| 19:15.32 | utahcon | that would suck |
| 19:16.16 | rsimpkins | Someone should tell him "Sir, you are actually a woman. Not a man. You should be wearing a dress." |
| 19:16.48 | rsimpkins | "You're real name is Darlene McBride, ma'am." |
| 19:21.36 | rsimpkins | Now tell me, in what kind of crazy impementation does it take 30 minutes to delete 30,000 messages from a mailbox? |
| 19:21.48 | rsimpkins | I'll tell you... exchange. |
| 19:21.53 | unum | do they really let a cs professor teach a law related class at the U? |
| 19:21.59 | unum | or did the trib reporter screw up |
| 19:34.30 | *** join/#utah unum_ (n=unum@70.89.247.221) |
| 19:40.22 | levi | Maybe he's a lawyer who happens to teach CS classes. |
| 19:45.24 | unum_ | grrrr |
| 19:45.35 | unum | curses comcast |
| 19:45.35 | sjansen | Maybe he's a super genius like Jarod on The Pretender. |
| 19:45.49 | sjansen | ~curse Comcast |
| 19:45.52 | ibot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, Comcast ! |
| 19:46.25 | unum | but the professor made some statement about the case originally being about copyrights not contracts |
| 19:46.40 | unum | apparantly he never read the original case filings |
| 19:46.55 | unum | it was always about contracts |
| 19:47.31 | sjansen | It was always about SCO get a giant payout no matter what it took. |
| 19:47.47 | unum | ya that's true |
| 19:48.00 | unum | ~curse comcast |
| 19:48.00 | ibot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, comcast ! |
| 19:48.03 | sjansen | I went to the the early court hearing and my impression is that the McBride brothers are not very smart. |
| 19:48.43 | sjansen | Don't know how one of them got to be CEO, maybe his tie collection, but they're either incompetent or willing to say anything. |
| 19:51.01 | sjansen | All sides have very competent lawyers. (Although Mr. Marriot pretty consistently comes across as the most prepared and intelligent.) |
| 19:52.06 | findlay | hearing? Today? |
| 19:52.22 | rsimpkins | I thoguht it was a trial, not a hearing. |
| 19:52.22 | sjansen | Except for Kevin McBride who struck me as arrogant and incompetent, hoping to trade on his charm and local connections instead of facts. The judge would ask him one question and he'd answer a different one. There's a reason he never made another appearance after the first hearing. |
| 19:53.30 | sjansen | As for Darl McBride... I promised him I wouldn't repeat his crazy claims. But I am willing to say that during the height of the terrorism scare he wasn't above holding that brush himself. |
| 19:54.16 | sjansen | Somehow he thought claiming knowledge of state secrets would make him sound persuasive instead of insane. |
| 19:56.23 | sjansen | rsimpkins: It is a trial. SCO v. Novell is finally happening today. |
| 19:57.21 | findlay | whatever happened to SCO v IBM? |
| 19:57.31 | findlay | the trial that got all the local papers talking |
| 19:57.54 | rsimpkins | I think this one has to happen first before IBM can proceed. |
| 19:57.56 | findlay | got them so emphatically wrong |
| 19:58.12 | findlay | got me so mad at local newspapers |
| 19:58.28 | findlay | doesn't trust newspapers anymore |
| 19:59.10 | sjansen | Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach... er, report. |
| 20:00.34 | findlay | they also got UTOPIA plain wrong too |
| 20:02.00 | *** join/#utah djeebus (n=Miranda@208-47-173-164.dia.static.qwest.net) |
| 20:02.17 | sjansen | And whose fault what that? You can't expect reporters to be experts on everything. If you want a story to go your way, you need to put together press packets and pre-written articles with the truth as you see it. |
| 20:02.23 | sjansen | findlay: Did you do that? |
| 20:02.28 | sjansen | I didn't think so. |
| 20:02.37 | beandog | blames findlay for all the bad media |
| 20:02.41 | sjansen | So who's fault is it? |
| 20:02.47 | sjansen | Really, whose fault is it? |
| 20:02.59 | sjansen | blames findlay too |
| 20:03.45 | tensai | FYI, a PII 500Mhz computer is not capable of displaying HDTV |
| 20:03.58 | tensai | if anybody was curious |
| 20:04.13 | findlay | ~truth sjansen |
| 20:04.17 | findlay | ~truthiness sjansen |
| 20:05.19 | levi | tensai: Indeed. |
| 20:05.36 | levi | tensai: It might be able to with the right video card and right drivers, though. |
| 20:05.39 | *** join/#utah djeebus (n=Miranda@208-47-173-164.dia.static.qwest.net) |
| 20:05.51 | levi | tensai: I'm not sure if that combination exists in Linux at the moment, though. |
| 20:06.05 | tensai | levi: well sure. you can offload just about anything. |
| 20:08.58 | levi | Actually, I think it's currently possible with CUDA to write accelerators for important parts of the MPEG2 decoding process, but I don't think it's been done and packaged. |
| 20:10.13 | sjansen | ~language levi |
| 20:10.13 | ibot | ACTION grabs levi by the ear and washes levi's mouth out with soap |
| 20:15.21 | elg | tensai: lol |
| 20:15.34 | elg | my athlon xp 2000+ is also incapable |
| 20:16.14 | elg | it seems my athlon 2800+ is though |
| 20:16.18 | beandog | man |
| 20:16.19 | tensai | my althon xp 2600+ does just fine. took a little tweaking. |
| 20:16.20 | elg | iirc, with cursory testing |
| 20:16.23 | beandog | I miss my little Athlon XP |
| 20:16.24 | beandog | :C |
| 20:16.39 | tensai | beandog: would you like a Windows XP to replace it? |
| 20:16.51 | beandog | tensai, huh? |
| 20:17.29 | tensai | beandog: attempted humor |
| 20:17.40 | beandog | i dont get it. |
| 20:17.50 | sjansen | tensai: I'll take any _hardware_, so long as it was produced in the last 2 years. |
| 20:17.53 | elg | quick, someone get the fire hose! tensai crashed and burned |
| 20:18.03 | sjansen | ~hose tensai |
| 20:18.04 | ibot | ACTION hooks into a hydrant and hoses tensai down. |
| 20:18.07 | beandog | lol |
| 20:18.09 | beandog | ~console tensai |
| 20:18.10 | ibot | ACTION gives tensai the consolation moose |
| 20:18.16 | levi | I had to get a dual-core Athlon to get MythTV to do its live TV without stuttering. |
| 20:18.25 | levi | (with HD channels, that is) |
| 20:18.27 | tensai | yay. now I'm clean and I have a moose. |
| 20:18.35 | elg | but is your moose clean |
| 20:18.38 | elg | huh? |
| 20:18.51 | elg | ~hose tensai's moose |
| 20:18.52 | ibot | ACTION hooks into a hydrant and hoses tensai's moose down. |
| 20:18.54 | beandog | if someone has a spare athlon xp, Id buy it |
| 20:18.55 | sjansen | ~steal tensai's moose |
| 20:18.56 | ibot | ACTION grabs tensai's moose and gives it to sjansen |
| 20:18.59 | jsmith | Did you guys see the Mythbusters where they built the rubber moose? |
| 20:19.00 | beandog | well, maybe. |
| 20:19.06 | jsmith | beandog: I've got one |
| 20:19.19 | sjansen | A rubber moose? |
| 20:19.20 | elg | beandog: i'll trade you my athlon xp for your athlon 2600+ |
| 20:19.42 | *** join/#utah unum (n=unum@70.89.247.221) |
| 20:19.48 | tensai | elg: I've got the 2600+ |
| 20:19.50 | jsmith | sjansen: Yeah, and then cars hit it at varying speeds... |
| 20:20.14 | sjansen | jsmith: Do I want to know why you have a rubber moose, or is it better not to know? |
| 20:20.14 | beandog | elg, I dont have one |
| 20:20.25 | beandog | anyone have a spare mini-itx they wanna sell me? |
| 20:20.57 | sjansen | Is the Mini ITX a new model of rolling speed bump? |
| 20:21.13 | tensai | sjansen: with built-in moose |
| 20:21.32 | tensai | no more silly moose add-on cards |
| 20:21.40 | sjansen | I hear that because they're too tiny to crumble, they're built rigid enough to bounce off in an accident. |
| 20:22.20 | elg | the moose? |
| 20:22.30 | levi | An 8-series nVidia card plus http://www.elementaltechnologies.com/products.php?id=2 should get you MPEG-2 playback in a fairly wimpy machine. |
| 20:22.33 | brac | [RapiHD MPEG-2 Decoder SDK] |
| 20:23.28 | elg | "can achieve real-time decoding with streams up to 225 Mbps. " |
| 20:23.31 | elg | yeah, that should about cover it |
| 20:23.55 | levi | Now, we just need some open source hacker to recreate it for free. ;) |
| 20:23.55 | elg | considering ATSC signals are about 20 mbps |
| 20:24.37 | levi | I don't think there are any onboard 8-series nVidia chipsets yet though. |
| 20:24.48 | elg | cool that it runs on linux. wonder what it costs. looks like one of those "if you have to ask, it's too much" things |
| 20:25.03 | levi | Yeah, it doesn't look like it was aimed at consumers. |
| 20:25.13 | levi | It was written with nVidia's CUDA library, though. |
| 20:26.08 | levi | Oh wait, I did find a nVidia GeForce 8200 HDMI board. |
| 20:27.01 | levi | It's <$100, too. Might be a fun project. |
| 20:27.49 | elg | might be a way to get slightly famous, lavished with praise, insults, and barraged with questions |
| 20:27.57 | elg | i say go for it! |
| 20:28.49 | levi | Fits the Phenom CPUs, too. |
| 20:28.57 | levi | Though I must admit I don't really know what they are. |
| 20:29.09 | elg | i bet they're phenomenal |
| 20:30.16 | *** join/#utah shnockshnee_ (n=shnocksh@66-240-25-49.isp.comcastbusiness.net) |
| 22:03.58 | *** join/#utah ibot (i=ibot@pdpc/supporter/active/TimRiker/bot/apt) |
| 22:03.58 | *** topic/#utah is http://plug.org/irc | Channel log @ http://ibot.rikers.org/%23utah/ | UTOSC 2008 Call for Papers @ http://2008.utosc.com | PLUG server has new home, will probably move week of April 28th. | Ubuntu 8.04 released - use the torrents - http://releases.ubuntu.com/8.04/ | elg is looking for volunteers to proofread a literature review on computer music April 29/30 |
| 22:03.58 | *** mode/#utah [+o ibot] by ChanServ |
| 22:04.48 | unum | bonez44: most likely the worse thing that will happen is that your ps2 device won't work until you reboot |
| 22:04.53 | unum | but you could fry the port |
| 22:04.58 | unum | which would really suck |
| 22:05.11 | unum | I think I did actually have that happen once |
| 22:05.28 | bonez44 | unum,.. looks like it worked ok |
| 22:05.33 | bonez44 | thanks.... |
| 22:05.35 | *** part/#utah bonez44 (n=david_pa@75.144.9.237) |
| 22:06.36 | unum | I have done that a lot though... |
| 22:19.41 | *** join/#utah fungus (n=olsonl@bromine.sosstaffing.com) |
| 22:20.10 | rsimpkins | thaddeusq: We use a lot of SAN here. |
| 22:20.35 | thaddeusq | rsimpkins: did you see my question to synic? |
| 22:21.33 | rsimpkins | thaddeusq: nope, missed it. |
| 22:21.47 | thaddeusq | I'm trying to figure out how to get linux to recognize that a LUN has been extended. |
| 22:22.03 | rsimpkins | lvm? |
| 22:22.08 | thaddeusq | yep. |
| 22:22.15 | rsimpkins | multipath? |
| 22:22.19 | thaddeusq | yep. |
| 22:23.00 | thaddeusq | fdisk -l /dev/emcpowera still shows the un-extended size. After a reboot fdisk -l shows the larger size. |
| 22:24.25 | rsimpkins | thaddeusq: I know that is something we deal with all the time around here. It is not a prefered action though, so I don't usually do it. |
| 22:24.44 | rsimpkins | thaddeusq: We have a guy here that messes with that stuff, but he's out of the office until next week. Sorry about that. |
| 22:25.23 | thaddeusq | rsimpkins: if you remember, can you ask him and then shoot me an e-mail? My gmail account is tvanry |
| 22:26.22 | rsimpkins | thaddeusq: E-mail rsimpkins at omniture com with a description of how you have it set up, and what you wanna do. I'll forward it internally to our guy. He is in Denver working - so he just might respond. |
| 22:26.42 | thaddeusq | rsimpkins: will do. Thanks. |
| 22:26.55 | rsimpkins | I've done it in the past, but I do it so infrequently I can't recall of the top of my head what ya do. |
| 22:27.04 | rsimpkins | *off |
| 22:27.48 | findlay | what's an ad-laden site? |
| 22:27.59 | thaddeusq | findlay: a site with lots of ads |
| 22:28.04 | findlay | is trying to test out his proxy's adblocking-fu |
| 22:28.19 | findlay | thaddeusq: perhaps you can provide an illustrative example? |
| 22:28.38 | thaddeusq | realizes findlay wasn't looking for a definition. |
| 22:28.46 | findlay | heh |
| 22:28.48 | thaddeusq | findlay: how about www.sltrib.com |
| 22:29.21 | thaddeusq | or www.desnews.com |
| 22:29.57 | findlay | yeah, already looking at that one :) |
| 22:31.13 | beandog | which proxy? |
| 22:31.16 | beandog | I'd try yahoo.com |
| 22:31.26 | findlay | squid |
| 22:38.19 | unum | http://www.areino.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/mini.jpg hahahahaha |
| 22:39.16 | thaddeusq | heads home |
| 22:39.43 | *** join/#utah devhen|Work (n=devhen@216.194.118.110) |
| 22:42.37 | *** join/#utah shnockshnee_ (n=shnocksh@66-240-25-49.isp.comcastbusiness.net) |
| 22:47.40 | beandog | oh |
| 22:56.07 | *** join/#utah decriptor (n=decripto@166-70-62-135.ip.xmission.com) |
| 22:56.56 | decriptor | I'm looking for a recommendation for a gui toolkit(?) that is cross platform with windows and linux and maybe mac |
| 22:57.18 | unum | have you looked at gtk or qt? |
| 22:57.19 | decriptor | the first one that come to mind are wxwidgets,gtk,qt |
| 22:57.31 | unum | oh ya and that one |
| 22:58.19 | decriptor | I haven't really looked at them. I'm relatively sure that they would all accomplish what I need to do. More wondering if there are reasons to avoid one or the other |
| 22:58.40 | synic | what language? |
| 22:58.40 | unum | do you know the licensing on each one for each platform |
| 22:58.43 | decriptor | its for a simple app, basically an app to prove a algorithm concept |
| 22:58.46 | decriptor | c/c++ |
| 22:58.55 | decriptor | sorrry, should have mentioned that |
| 22:59.00 | unum | I'd probably go qt because I prefer c++ |
| 22:59.05 | decriptor | s/sorrry/sorry/ |
| 22:59.15 | synic | wxWidgets is c++ as well |
| 22:59.19 | unum | but I think gtk looks nicer |
| 22:59.22 | unum | that's good to know |
| 22:59.35 | unum | so are any of the libertarians still around? |
| 23:00.03 | nick125 | Anyone here know of good web analytics suite/program? Preferrably free/open source. |
| 23:00.10 | synic | decriptor: I'd probably go with wx... |
| 23:00.30 | decriptor | nick125: google analytics (free) awstats? |
| 23:00.44 | decriptor | synic: is there an advantage over the other? |
| 23:00.59 | nick125 | Google Analytics is.....meh, I could live with it. Awstats was a pain in the rear because I just want statistics for *one* site, not everything on my server. |
| 23:00.59 | decriptor | has wanted to look at wx for awhile, but never had a good excuse |
| 23:01.11 | synic | decriptor: I don't really know, gtk on os x has been lacking in the past |
| 23:01.16 | synic | I don't know if that's still true, though |
| 23:01.20 | decriptor | nick125: I use awstats on a per site basis |
| 23:01.38 | decriptor | not sure, so wx works just fine? |
| 23:01.48 | nick125 | decriptor: How do you force it to look at just one site? |
| 23:01.48 | synic | yeah |
| 23:01.58 | nick125 | (or one host, rather) |
| 23:02.01 | decriptor | nick125: I make a config for each site |
| 23:02.19 | nick125 | decriptor: I have a config file for the site I want to look at, but it's still grabbing everything. |
| 23:02.47 | decriptor | nick125: mine are all vhosts so I don't know if that makes a difference, each vhost has its own log files |
| 23:03.02 | nick125 | decriptor: ooh. |
| 23:03.33 | decriptor | synic: I'll check it out, is there an IDE for designing the gui and/or code? |
| 23:04.10 | decriptor | nick125: do you have several site logging to one file? |
| 23:04.19 | synic | yeah... now, if only I could remember the name |
| 23:04.29 | nick125 | decriptor: yes |
| 23:04.40 | decriptor | ah |
| 23:04.46 | decriptor | can you split them out? |
| 23:04.47 | nick125 | I think I might end up playing around with making a custom LogFormat variable |
| 23:04.58 | decriptor | I find it easier to have each site log to its own files |
| 23:05.50 | synic | decriptor: oh right, there's a few. DialogBlocks comes to mind. |
| 23:06.43 | decriptor | I don't have to have one, but it saves some time. |
| 23:07.55 | synic | dataw0lf: heh, wasn't your nick decriptor at one point? |
| 23:08.00 | nick125 | decriptor: Ah...that increased the usability of awstats by about...75% :-) |
| 23:08.12 | decriptor | oh yeah |
| 23:08.34 | decriptor | I think if you set the logs to combined in the vhost file, it just works |
| 23:08.41 | goozbach | nick125: webalizer |
| 23:08.41 | decriptor | or at least on opensuse it does |
| 23:09.01 | decriptor | never was a hugh fan of webalizer |
| 23:09.14 | decriptor | but neither has he looked at it in many years |
| 23:09.29 | nick125 | decriptor: I'm running lighttpd... |
| 23:09.34 | decriptor | oh |
| 23:09.44 | nick125 | Many things would be easier if I used apache..heh |
| 23:09.46 | decriptor | I'm running apache, never tried lighttpd |
| 23:19.41 | sontek | encryptz: irssi twitter plugin, gogoogogo |
| 23:24.11 | dataw0lf | synic: ... Perhaps. Who knows. |
| 23:25.10 | goozbach | http://twitter.com/goozbach/statuses/799920834 spread the word |
| 23:34.43 | nick125 | Anyone here good at doing iptables/NAT? |
| 23:35.49 | nick125 | I'm trying to do a mixed NAT/public IP setup, where the public IPs and the private IPs can pass traffic to each other through my gateway. |
| 23:36.57 | nick125 | (private NATed IPs would be assigned to "internal" devices as well as unknown devices through DHCP and public IPs would be assigned to known boxes that need a unNATed IP) |
| 23:39.23 | nick125 | (the idea is to reduce the amount of IP waste on my network, that's all) |
| 23:51.59 | *** join/#utah lakshmi (n=shnocksh@66-240-25-49.isp.comcastbusiness.net) |
| 23:59.59 | *** join/#utah Midorikawa (n=insanemo@75-169-219-145.slkc.qwest.net) |
