| 00:09.02 | findlay | man, I am so bored |
| 00:09.32 | lakshmi | findlay so am i ? |
| 00:17.36 | jnbek | why not go outside and enjoy the rest of this awesoem day...!! |
| 00:19.10 | sontek | any of you guys have your dotfiles posted some where? I just put mine up on my site http://sontek.net/dotfiles/ and now I want to see everyones to see if I can improve mine |
| 00:23.47 | Sargun | oh. |
| 00:24.49 | Sargun | just sent sontek a linked in message |
| 00:37.53 | sontek | just accepted Sargun's linked in |
| 00:37.58 | sontek | now we can be bff |
| 00:38.38 | Sargun | awesome |
| 00:39.02 | Sargun | Let's party <high pitched voice>girlfriend! |
| 00:39.39 | whiteinge | cool, sontek. mine are here: http://eseth.org/filez/prefs/ |
| 00:39.45 | brac | [Index of /filez/prefs] |
| 00:48.24 | sontek | whiteinge: I like some of your settings :] |
| 00:49.40 | whiteinge | sontek: and I like some of your Vim settings. :-) |
| 00:51.34 | whiteinge | I tried to use the snippets plugin a while back, but gave up. I'm gonna try again. |
| 00:52.32 | whiteinge | I do a lot of Django too, and hate typing in all that boilerplate manually. |
| 00:53.15 | sontek | I *love* the snippets plugin |
| 00:53.18 | sontek | makes things so fast |
| 00:53.24 | sontek | I use the python and django ones a lot |
| 00:53.53 | sontek | I've actually been meaning to set my ft in vimrc to have those enabled by default on .py files |
| 00:53.56 | sontek | I always forget |
| 00:55.35 | sontek | just put the plugin in the ftplugin folder, and then do : set ft=django_model.django_template.python |
| 00:55.53 | sontek | that'll make vim think its a python, django model, and django template file |
| 00:56.19 | whiteinge | ah, cool |
| 00:56.23 | sontek | then you can do stuff like mmodel<tab> |
| 00:56.42 | sontek | or def<tab> |
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| 00:58.57 | whiteinge | I've never played with omnicompletion 'cause I was under the impression you had to have Python compiled into Vim (and I hadn't set aside the time). But, nope, it just works. Cool! :-) |
| 00:59.41 | whiteinge | Oh, wait. My version of Vim has Python compiled in. Heh. |
| 01:00.45 | goozbach | my new favorite unicode char: à·´ |
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| 01:17.30 | findlay | lakshmi: so are you? |
| 01:18.18 | lakshmi | im bored too |
| 01:18.52 | findlay | lakshmi: you asked me |
| 01:19.19 | lakshmi | what did i ask? |
| 01:19.20 | findlay | sontek: jfindlay.us/rc/ Don't untar that in your home dir :) |
| 01:19.27 | findlay | 18:09 < lakshmi> findlay so am i ? |
| 01:19.54 | lakshmi | yeah i said so am i, im bored too... so its not a big deal? |
| 01:20.33 | findlay | sontek: that gets updated by cron and I wget it by cron on all other machines that I work on |
| 01:20.56 | findlay | sort of a central rc hack |
| 01:23.16 | findlay | lakshmi: why don |
| 01:23.32 | findlay | 't you experiment ending every statement with a question mark? |
| 01:23.35 | findlay | like this? |
| 01:26.16 | lakshmi | i know ppl that do |
| 01:26.47 | Sargun | (??(hiiwhat's up? |
| 01:26.49 | Sargun | hmm.. |
| 01:30.37 | Sargun | http://69.12.172.152/python/foo.py |
| 01:30.38 | brac | [AndrÂsup(â®â®(hello] |
| 01:31.00 | Sargun | http://69.12.172.152/python/foo.py?hi |
| 01:31.01 | brac | [AndrÂsup(â®whatâ®(hello] |
| 01:47.05 | wps | I am trying to avoid pinging the database twice |
| 01:47.30 | wps | is there a way to do a MySQL query with a limit on it and also get a count of the total matches? |
| 01:48.01 | wps | I only want it to return the first ten matches but I also want a count of how many matches there were |
| 01:48.05 | Sargun | maybe |
| 01:50.51 | wps | never mind |
| 01:50.54 | wps | found the answer |
| 01:50.55 | wps | SELECT FOUND_ROWS(); |
| 01:54.02 | wps | hmmâ¦Â not working |
| 01:54.44 | wps | never mindâ¦Â it is |
| 02:02.18 | sontek | findlay: thanks, i'll check it out |
| 03:03.52 | sontek | is rocking out to NIN |
| 03:04.12 | nick125 | just screwed up really badly. |
| 03:04.33 | lakshmi | NIN is awsome |
| 03:04.37 | lakshmi | what did nick125 do? |
| 03:04.52 | nick125 | For some reason, PAM is letting anyone in who enters a password...any password |
| 03:06.32 | sontek | lol! |
| 03:06.35 | sontek | give me ssh1 |
| 03:06.41 | nick125 | I just shutdown sshd |
| 03:07.39 | findlay | nick125: haha |
| 03:08.08 | findlay | remerge pam? |
| 03:19.09 | Supaplex | nice :P |
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| 04:32.37 | bonez44 | Here's a dilemma... |
| 04:33.02 | bonez44 | I boot up an XP machine..and it shows, E: drive, for my CDROM...and for the hard drive it shows...D:\ |
| 04:33.07 | bonez44 | no C: drive anywhere in site.... |
| 04:33.14 | bonez44 | any ideas what might cause this? |
| 04:49.10 | sontek | bonez44: you can change drive letters in control panel->computer management |
| 04:49.33 | bonez44 | really? |
| 04:50.00 | bonez44 | are you sure? no limitations about permissions or something dumb? |
| 04:51.13 | levi | Yow, my father-in-law's Ubuntu computer got totally hosed. |
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| 04:51.40 | bonez44 | how? |
| 04:51.45 | Supaplex | sudo ;) |
| 04:51.46 | levi | Apparently it stalled in the middle of an update, he rebooted it, and it hasn't worked since. |
| 04:52.13 | levi | Now a bunch of stuff segfaults. |
| 04:52.31 | levi | But I'm not sure what things, because they show up while running postinst scripts. |
| 04:52.45 | bonez44 | sontek: In MY control panel..I find NOTHING called Computer Management |
| 04:52.55 | levi | Anyway, I brought it home with me to reinstall. |
| 04:53.03 | Supaplex | right click my computer, manage |
| 04:54.09 | sontek | bonez44: administration tools->computer management |
| 04:54.20 | sontek | bonez44: I don't have a windows machine to get the exact names, but its there |
| 04:54.26 | bonez44 | ok...under Disk 0, it shows C: (D:) as I gave it the name C: but it's wanting to call itself D: |
| 04:54.31 | bonez44 | ok.... |
| 04:54.37 | bonez44 | under Disk Management? |
| 04:54.40 | sontek | right click D: -> properties |
| 04:54.44 | sontek | under disk management |
| 04:54.49 | sontek | you can choose change drive |
| 04:54.52 | sontek | or something like that |
| 04:55.31 | bonez44 | it says there.. |
| 04:55.45 | bonez44 | Windows cannot modify the drive letter of your system volumen or boot volume.... |
| 04:56.08 | sontek | yeah, looks like you wont be able to change it then :P |
| 04:56.12 | sontek | live with having D: =) |
| 04:56.52 | bonez44 | but, that's the problem, I need to install something, and that program insists on instlaling to C: drive, and since C: is nto there....I can't install it... see the problem? |
| 04:57.04 | bonez44 | I'll post this in ##windows..and see if they can help |
| 05:06.50 | Supaplex | ~onjoin dilvie |
| 05:07.00 | bonez44 | I will..I think I found some help... |
| 05:07.07 | Supaplex | ~onjoin dilvie \o/ congrats on your new $HOME |
| 05:07.07 | ibot | Supaplex: ok |
| 05:13.37 | findlay | /o\ |
| 05:13.53 | findlay | \o/ |
| 05:14.08 | findlay | >.> |
| 05:14.12 | findlay | <,< |
| 05:14.17 | findlay | >.< |
| 05:14.23 | findlay | rests his eyes |
| 05:14.24 | sontek | KMFDM is the best coding music |
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| 06:58.47 | Tene | I still need to get some of their music. |
| 07:22.33 | Sargun | agrees with sontek |
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| 15:30.45 | levi | Morning. |
| 15:31.09 | sjansen | Is it? |
| 15:31.23 | sjansen | Well, lookey there. It is. |
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| 15:36.08 | sontek | ~snuggle sjansen |
| 15:36.16 | sontek | what?! no snuggle?! |
| 15:36.48 | sjansen | backs away, searching for a weapon |
| 15:37.25 | sontek | uses ubuntu ship it cd's like chinese stars to pin sjansen to the wall |
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| 15:45.09 | levi | This is totally awesome: http://www.dabbledb.com/explore/8minutedemo/ |
| 15:45.45 | sjansen | Psssssssh. What a toy. It's not even written in Java. |
| 15:46.23 | levi | No indeed--it's written in Squeak Smalltalk. |
| 15:47.04 | sjansen | How's it supposed to scale to 50,000 users with a language like that? |
| 15:47.18 | levi | I'm not sure it is supposed to. |
| 15:47.31 | levi | The key is that the users pay, not advertisers. |
| 15:47.40 | sjansen | I'd be embarrassed to tell my friends I was programming in a language called "Squeak". |
| 15:47.44 | levi | If he had 50,000 users, he could afford the servers. :) |
| 15:47.54 | sontek | sjansen: scaling === more hardware! ;) who trys to write efficient code these days? computers are cheap =) |
| 15:48.14 | levi | Anyway, Squeak is faster than Ruby anyway. |
| 15:48.38 | levi | Ruby's implementation is just pathetic in the speed department. |
| 15:48.54 | sjansen | Ruby? That's so last year. All the cool kids are using Python now.... Or was that Erlang? |
| 15:49.37 | sontek | Ruby is so last year |
| 15:49.41 | levi | Squeak is basically a reimplementation of the virtual machine that ran on the Xerox Altos. It had to be fast, because those machines were ridiculously slow by today's standards. |
| 15:49.56 | sontek | the programming world is like the fashion world |
| 15:50.25 | sontek | java is like bell bottoms, hopefully it never comes back in style |
| 15:50.32 | sjansen | Oh come off it. Java == coffee == a programmer's best friend. Enough said. I win. |
| 15:50.35 | beandog | whats wrong with bell bottoms? |
| 15:50.59 | sjansen | beandog: Nothing. And might I add your bell bottoms today look especially awesome. |
| 15:51.15 | sontek | beandog: oh, nothing at all... |
| 15:51.26 | sontek | giggles behin beandog's back |
| 15:52.54 | levi | Anyway, if you're bored enough to make silly arguments about languages, you should have time to watch that awesome demo. |
| 15:53.01 | sjansen | levi: Doesn't Squeak require a GUI or something annoying like that? |
| 15:53.20 | sontek | levi: if its not on youotube we don't watch it! |
| 15:53.23 | sjansen | Or am I confusing it with DrScheme? |
| 15:53.29 | beandog | sjansen, I found you a weapon: http://blog.riflegear.com/archive/2007/12/26/hello-kitty-ar-15---evil-black-rifle-meets-cute-and.aspx |
| 15:54.08 | levi | sjansen: Yes, but it can also run headless in a production environment. |
| 15:54.32 | levi | sjansen: And GNU Smalltalk gets away from that paradigm. |
| 15:56.06 | levi | Anyway, I didn't post it to advocate the platform, I posted it because it's a really cool app. |
| 15:56.34 | levi | It's like a next-generation database for people who would otherwise be using Excel. |
| 15:56.59 | sontek | Its enterprise! |
| 15:59.01 | sjansen | Okay, in all seriousness it's wicked cool. Anything to prevent yet another abuse of Excel or Access. |
| 16:00.42 | sontek | access, yes, excel is actually pretty impressive |
| 16:01.37 | levi | Well, Access is the tool that's designed to do the sorts of things that DabbleDB does, except it's at the same time overkill and not sophisticated enough. |
| 16:01.55 | levi | Excel is a pretty impressive spreadsheet, but a poor database. |
| 16:05.25 | findlay | remember those pundits a couple of years ago who tried to criticize open source apps because their names didn't reflect their functions? :-) |
| 16:05.52 | findlay | as far as I know, Excel is a beef processing company :) |
| 16:07.23 | findlay | and access is what the kid didn't have in War Games |
| 16:09.50 | sontek | I'm going to watch war games tonight now :P |
| 16:16.39 | sontek | hmm.. so only thing we had in our minifridge was monsters |
| 16:16.51 | sontek | turns out those aren't good breakfast drinks |
| 16:16.54 | sontek | my stomach hurts |
| 16:17.43 | tensai | I can't connect to archive.org. anybody else? |
| 16:18.20 | sontek | tensai: worked for me |
| 16:18.45 | tensai | well now it's working. interesting. |
| 16:19.18 | tensai | got the same failure (timeout) using two different ISPs |
| 16:19.34 | Tene | tensai: http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/ |
| 16:19.35 | brac | [Down for everyone or just me?] |
| 16:19.46 | tensai | Tene: ooh, that sounds cool |
| 16:19.56 | levi | sontek: That happens to me sometimes with Mountain Dew if I also eat a donut. |
| 16:20.33 | sjansen | What? Dew and donuts is poisonous? |
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| 16:29.41 | levi | sjansen: Not so much poisonous as an insta-heartburn. |
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| 16:44.20 | sjansen | levi: You're not helping in my quest to start an urban legend. |
| 16:46.03 | dmdavis | sjansen: snopes will never let you do it! |
| 16:50.31 | sjansen | http://www.zedshaw.com/ <-- Uhm, wow. |
| 16:50.35 | brac | [ZSFA -- All About Me] |
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| 17:06.49 | brac | get back to style, culture, and ego maybe... |
| 17:07.06 | findlay-w | tell me if you can get to 72.8.120.68 |
| 17:11.51 | tensai | findlay-w: ping, no. http, no. |
| 17:12.58 | findlay-w | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:13.20 | findlay-w | that's the funny thing, because *that* still goes through |
| 17:13.48 | tensai | zapateller, then "the person at extension..." |
| 17:19.32 | findlay-w | hm, this is the weird thing. My domainname seems to have disappeared from DNS |
| 17:20.22 | findlay | but everything looks fine over at everydns |
| 17:20.44 | findlay | how could that happen? |
| 17:21.03 | tensai | how many of you are there? |
| 17:21.12 | findlay | just one |
| 17:22.00 | tensai | findlay: Domain Expiration Date: Mon Apr 28 23:59:59 GMT 2008 |
| 17:23.39 | findlay | oh, hm :) |
| 17:23.43 | findlay | I see |
| 17:24.17 | findlay | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:29.37 | tensai | ~onjoin -lakshmi |
| 17:29.37 | ibot | ok, tensai |
| 17:30.50 | lakshmi | tensai hi |
| 17:30.58 | lakshmi | why is there not a #lenovo |
| 17:31.04 | lakshmi | i need like laptop help |
| 17:31.42 | lakshmi | well thinkpad help |
| 17:31.47 | lakshmi | i think i broke mine >.< |
| 17:32.22 | dmdavis | what kind of thinkpad? Is it actually a thinkpad, or only like one? :) |
| 17:34.05 | dmdavis | OK, the second half of that was a joke, but the first half wasn't. what kind of thinkpad? I have a t60p |
| 17:35.06 | goozbach | lakshmi: you are on the closest thing to #thinkpad I think you'll ever find |
| 17:35.24 | Tene | http://blog.plover.com/math/recounting.html -- interesting, math |
| 17:35.27 | brac | [The Universe of Discourse : Recounting the rationals] |
| 17:35.27 | goozbach | shoot your question, I'm one of a BIG handful of people with thinkpads |
| 17:35.35 | sjansen | T61p |
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| 17:38.26 | goozbach | t61p and t41 |
| 17:38.45 | Tene | T61p, T30 |
| 17:39.24 | lakshmi | t61 |
| 17:39.43 | lakshmi | the litttle plastic part thats on the side right next to where the CD drive is missing |
| 17:39.51 | lakshmi | im wondeirng if this is a problem. |
| 17:40.23 | dmdavis | the one that lets you pop out the CD drive? |
| 17:42.22 | findlay | rsimpkins: ping |
| 17:42.33 | goozbach | lakshmi: the cover of the hard drive? |
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| 17:43.47 | dmdavis | OK, maybe a more appropriate question would be, has that caused you any problems? |
| 17:44.18 | shnockshnee_ | not yet |
| 17:45.08 | goozbach | what's the debian command which tells you which package owns a file? (ala rpm -qf /some/file/somewhere) |
| 17:45.40 | shnockshnee_ | but im scared that dust is gunna get in there and my computer is gunna die |
| 17:46.12 | dmdavis | can you cover it with tape or something? |
| 17:46.32 | sjansen | goozbach: Isn't it a dpkg-query command? |
| 17:46.43 | goozbach | sjansen: I don't know |
| 17:46.57 | sjansen | I can never remember since DPKG options still haven't been translated from the original Hungarian. |
| 17:46.58 | goozbach | that's why I'm asking |
| 17:47.28 | sjansen | goozbach: Well, man dpkg-query until someone more useful comes along. I don't have access to a Debian box at the moment. |
| 17:48.52 | goozbach | sjansen FTW! dpkg-query -S MFN.pm |
| 17:51.56 | findlay | rsimpkins: nevermind |
| 17:57.15 | sjansen | Anyone know the secret handshake to get Vim to syntax highlight reStructuredText? |
| 17:59.39 | goozbach | sjansen: the answer is to use multiMarkDown and this script: http://plasticboy.com/markdown-vim-mode/ :) |
| 17:59.59 | sontek | sjansen: :set ft=rst ? |
| 18:00.10 | levi | Heh. |
| 18:00.39 | sjansen | sontek: If only it were so obvious. |
| 18:01.15 | sontek | sjansen: http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=973 |
| 18:03.04 | sontek | sjansen: openSUSE also comes with an rst.vim by default |
| 18:03.13 | sontek | sjansen: maybe your distro just doesn't have it? |
| 18:03.23 | sontek | sjansen: I can't put it up on the web if you need it |
| 18:03.37 | sjansen | It's there, it's just not doing anything. |
| 18:04.44 | sontek | sjansen: after I do set ft=rst |
| 18:04.47 | sontek | it highlights for me |
| 18:04.54 | shnockshnee_ | dmdavis that would make it look ugly |
| 18:05.00 | shnockshnee_ | i want it to fix itself |
| 18:05.26 | sjansen | Huh. |
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| 20:16.15 | Tene | bonez44: unlikely. maybe you could try running it again? |
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| 20:32.42 | bonez44 | Tene: I ran it all again, and it finishes..but I can't figure out to start it and configure it |
| 20:33.35 | Tene | Hm. |
| 20:33.45 | Tene | did you try just running 'virtualbox' in a terminal? |
| 20:35.04 | bonez44 | just open a terminal and type virtualbox at prompt? |
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| 20:35.30 | bonez44 | yes, comes back command not found |
| 20:38.49 | Tene | :( |
| 20:50.44 | sjansen | harleypig: Heathen. |
| 20:51.50 | sjansen | harleypig: If you won't eat it, I will. Bring it here. |
| 20:53.19 | findlay | ~eat it |
| 20:53.19 | ibot | ACTION slurps up all the it available |
| 20:54.10 | tensai | sjansen: if you use dpkg -S much you'll want to install dlocate |
| 20:54.32 | tensai | I don't know how it works, but it's 1000x faster |
| 20:56.00 | sjansen | It probably uses a real database. My understanding is dpkg grovels over a directory full of text files every time. |
| 20:59.47 | harleypig | just eat it |
| 20:59.58 | findlay | ~eat it |
| 20:59.59 | ibot | ACTION slurps up all the it available |
| 21:00.04 | findlay | ~eat that |
| 21:00.05 | ibot | ACTION eats that and falls over dead |
| 21:00.08 | harleypig | ~eat maple syrup |
| 21:00.08 | ibot | ACTION slurps up all the maple syrup available |
| 21:00.15 | findlay | ~slurp harleypig |
| 21:00.17 | harleypig | ummm ... that's a dangerous one. |
| 21:00.21 | harleypig | see what I mean? |
| 21:00.49 | Jayce^ | ~coxinha harleypig |
| 21:00.56 | harleypig | ... |
| 21:01.10 | sjansen | harleypig: Oh, gee, thanks. Now I can't get pictures of Weird Al in a single white, sequined glove out of my head. |
| 21:01.43 | harleypig | You know ... my rl name is Al(an) right? |
| 21:01.46 | harleypig | :> |
| 21:01.52 | harleypig | and I'm weird. |
| 21:01.59 | harleypig | speedo |
| 21:02.04 | Jayce^ | it's your favorite! A twinkie-wiener sandwich! |
| 21:02.20 | Jayce^ | ouchy-the-harleypig |
| 21:02.22 | harleypig | Get *THAT* picture outta your head1 |
| 21:02.27 | harleypig | errr ... ! |
| 21:02.30 | Jayce^ | speedo + the glove |
| 21:02.47 | harleypig | and purple socks! |
| 21:03.10 | findlay | do you recommednd socks over squid? |
| 21:03.25 | harleypig | <_< |
| 21:03.28 | harleypig | >_> |
| 21:03.30 | sjansen | Eeeeeeeeeeeeeek. |
| 21:03.32 | harleypig | bites his tongue. |
| 21:03.33 | findlay | squid beaks are the hardest known organic material |
| 21:03.41 | harleypig | I chased sjansen away! |
| 21:03.57 | findlay | researchers are trying to recreate it in the laboratory |
| 21:04.54 | findlay | I just say 'sprinkle nanotechnology liberally' and that will magically solve all your research dillemas |
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| 21:05.22 | findlay | there are nanostructured carbon materials with higher young's moduli than diamond |
| 21:05.44 | sjansen | Is is secret? Is it safe?! |
| 21:06.09 | findlay | I don't know what the organic fascination is all about. It's like going for a world land speed record for lawnmowers |
| 21:06.19 | Jayce^ | sjansen: define "is" |
| 21:06.46 | findlay | presumably this has something to do with organic 'compatability' |
| 21:07.14 | sjansen | Jayce^: Fool of a Took. |
| 21:07.28 | sjansen | harleypig: You. Shall. Not. PASS! |
| 21:07.46 | findlay | I guess embedding nanostructures into people may have negative effects |
| 21:07.58 | findlay | nanoparticles are said to cause sillicosis |
| 21:08.49 | findlay | this concludes your daily 'Random Rants with Findlay'. |
| 21:09.15 | beandog | can we get an rss feed? |
| 21:09.45 | findlay | beandog: I haven't implemented my rss feeder in csh yet |
| 21:09.58 | findlay | :) |
| 21:10.01 | beandog | slacker! |
| 21:10.35 | beandog | ok |
| 21:10.46 | beandog | so is it even possible to encrypt a partition after I've already set it up |
| 21:10.46 | sjansen | suggests beandog setup a paypal account to collect donation for a findlay rss feed |
| 21:10.51 | beandog | or am I gonna have to start from scratch |
| 21:11.04 | findlay | apt-get emerge scratch |
| 21:11.08 | sjansen | beandog: s/partition/filesystem/ # the difference is important |
| 21:11.34 | beandog | uh |
| 21:11.45 | beandog | *blank stare* |
| 21:12.27 | sjansen | Most likely you're going to have to backup your data and reformat if you want an encrypted FS. Unless eCryptFS meets your needs. |
| 21:12.57 | beandog | poo |
| 21:13.22 | sjansen | Partition = logical division of a disk. Filesystem = format used to store data. |
| 21:13.38 | beandog | yes, I know, I just wasnt prepared for the question. |
| 21:13.46 | beandog | er |
| 21:13.47 | beandog | whatever. |
| 21:13.51 | beandog | *monday* |
| 21:13.54 | findlay | sjansen = arcane term demagogue |
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| 21:14.53 | sjansen | *shrug* Just weight until _you_ get beaten with an old Unix manual for confusing an experienced admin. (And pray it isn't an X11 manual.) |
| 21:15.13 | findlay | haha |
| 21:15.45 | levi | Heh, 'weight' fits there in a strange, ungrammatical kind of way. |
| 21:15.56 | findlay | demagogue was a little too strong of a term, but it sounded funny |
| 21:17.12 | findlay | oh well, s/demagogue/the unimaginative guru term/ |
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| 21:33.07 | elg | ~decompress |
| 21:34.47 | elg | ~rlart |
| 21:34.48 | ibot | beats mrpull senseless with a 50lb Unix manual |
| 21:34.50 | elg | -excuse |
| 21:34.52 | brac | Bogon emissions |
| 21:35.55 | tensai | sjansen: ever find out what that bluetooth adapter is? |
| 21:37.08 | sjansen | tensai: Nope. Either my desk swallowed it, or PXEs carried it off to their magic land. |
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| 21:37.59 | levi | -excuse |
| 21:37.59 | brac | heavy gravity fluctuation, move computer to floor rapidly |
| 21:39.40 | tensai | sjansen: where did you acquire it? |
| 21:39.56 | sjansen | Office Depot |
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| 21:40.28 | sjansen | I wanted one quick, so I took my Treo and Googled what the store had. First one I grabbed worked. |
| 21:40.34 | tensai | do you recall the price? |
| 21:40.40 | sjansen | cheap |
| 21:40.45 | sjansen | <$20, IIRC |
| 21:40.51 | tensai | I like that |
| 21:41.00 | bonez44 | I need to get an external dial up modem....a la USR 56k .. with external controls..... |
| 21:41.09 | sjansen | Skip eating out for lunch a couple days and you've earned. |
| 21:41.12 | bonez44 | anyone know where in Salt Lake I could buy one today? |
| 21:41.15 | sjansen | s/./it./ |
| 21:41.35 | sjansen | s/it./ it./ |
| 21:42.14 | bonez44 | I know that USR sells them....for ca. $100.00 new....but I would like to find a working good one previously owned here in town if possible |
| 21:42.59 | bonez44 | I have checked at Computer ReNu on 21st and 7th...no luck...absolutely NO external modems...and elsewhere....nada... |
| 21:44.15 | bonez44 | here's why I need the modem...I have to submit my claims, by calling a dial up modem..at Blue Cross...from my modem..and then I transmit them over the wire....they refuse to set up a secure server..and the web.....the old dinosaurs at BC (so appropriately named) demand it....cause it's "safer"... in their opinion |
| 21:44.25 | bonez44 | any ideas on this? |
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| 21:48.47 | elg | i still find it unlikely the external modem he has doesn't work |
| 21:50.25 | elg | watches the daily sunlight creep across his desktop |
| 21:52.13 | rsimpkins | ewww, sunlight. |
| 21:52.23 | elg | so i finally got around to trying that leopard widgets-on-the-desktop thing. i'm overly dismayed to learn that the widgets float above everything |
| 21:52.29 | rsimpkins | ~darkness elg |
| 21:53.04 | levi | elg: Is that some sort of a Dashboard hack? |
| 21:53.35 | elg | yeah, though I could swear it was on that really long list of things new to leopard that apple was touting |
| 21:53.35 | tensai | if the only difference between two bluetooth adapters is the transmission range, does that just indicate a different antenna? if one worked with linux, would you expect the other to as well? |
| 21:53.39 | elg | but i could be misremembering |
| 21:53.57 | elg | anyway, it's not hard to enable, and you "drag" things on and off by holding the widget while pressing f12 |
| 21:54.08 | elg | just a pity they're on top |
| 21:55.06 | elg | http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20050422172929402 |
| 21:55.12 | elg | hmm, that indicates it works in tiger |
| 21:55.23 | sjansen | tensai: Depends on what you mean. If they're the same chipset, I would expect both to work. If their the related models, however, manufacturers have been known to use multiple chipsets without making it obvious in the model number. |
| 21:55.35 | elg | which might mean it's not a leopard thing which might mean there's another way to do it in leopard |
| 21:55.44 | elg | oh well |
| 22:04.24 | harleypig | monkey butt |
| 22:04.36 | tensai | sjansen: same manufacturer, different model. the 321 is listed as linux compatible, but the 221 is unlisted. on the spec sheet, the range is all that's different. |
| 22:04.52 | tensai | sure wish they would list chipset |
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| 22:26.44 | levi-erc | I've been meaning to try out ERC for a while. |
| 22:29.59 | levi | It might have helped to join a more active channel to test it out. :P |
| 22:38.33 | sjansen | erc? |
| 22:38.46 | findlay | why not levIRC? :-) |
| 22:38.56 | nick125 | sjansen: IRC client for EmacsOS |
| 22:38.59 | sjansen | Is this another one of you evil emacs conspiracies? |
| 22:39.20 | levi-erc | sjansen: Can you IRC from inside vim? |
| 22:39.30 | sjansen | Do I want to IRC from inside Vim? |
| 22:39.42 | nick125 | sjansen: How dare you you insult CoE! |
| 22:40.02 | levi-erc | sjansen: No, but you'd want to irc from inside emacs if you used emacs. |
| 22:40.04 | Tene | levi-erc: yes, you can. |
| 22:42.42 | sjansen | levi-erc: Be gone foul demon of the nether editor! Tempt us not with your perversions! |
| 22:43.06 | Tene | sjansen: http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=931 |
| 22:43.07 | brac | [VimIRC.vim - An IRC client script : vim online] |
| 22:44.01 | sjansen | levi: I fear for your soul, brother. Emacs is consuming you. Soon there will be nothing left but two claw-like hands and a mask of pain. |
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| 22:50.12 | levi-erc | sjansen: Or, alternatively, I will be productive in a highly-customized computing environment. |
| 22:57.03 | harleypig | well, the mask of pain is pretty much indicative of a programmer anyway, right? |
| 22:57.08 | harleypig | and a sys-admin |
| 22:57.40 | findlay | haha |
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| 23:23.08 | rsimpkins | Okay bash gurus. How do I refer to a variable in a script? I wanna do something like this: FOO="STUFF"; BAR="MORE STUFF"; for x in FOO BAR; do echo "${$x}"; done |
| 23:24.03 | rsimpkins | So the output should be "STUFF" "MORE STUFF" |
| 23:24.25 | goozbach | rsimpkins: ${VARNAME} is the one true way |
| 23:24.50 | rsimpkins | goozbach: How do you make VARNAME a variable? |
| 23:25.17 | goozbach | FOO='myvar' echo ${FOO} |
| 23:25.31 | rsimpkins | goozbach: Read my example again. |
| 23:26.28 | goozbach | FOO="STUFF"; BAR="MORE STUFF"; for x in ${FOO} ${BAR}; do echo "${x}"; done |
| 23:26.47 | goozbach | the "$" goes outside the {} |
| 23:26.58 | nick125 | mmm...bash |
| 23:27.15 | rsimpkins | Not communicated right, but that gives me an idea... |
| 23:27.15 | goozbach | you were trying to reference a varible named <dollar>x |
| 23:27.24 | rsimpkins | Right, on purpose. |
| 23:27.42 | goozbach | I see |
| 23:27.53 | rsimpkins | goozbach: And that doesn't work. |
| 23:27.59 | goozbach | you want "more stuff" with the space pulled as one setting |
| 23:28.04 | rsimpkins | Correct. |
| 23:28.13 | goozbach | for is the wrong thing to do that |
| 23:28.16 | rsimpkins | I want to reference a variable. |
| 23:28.32 | rsimpkins | It's just an example. |
| 23:28.36 | goozbach | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:28.40 | rsimpkins | I wanna ref a var in bash, maybe you can't do it. |
| 23:29.03 | goozbach | put each var inside double quotes? |
| 23:29.14 | goozbach | that last example has the output you are looking for |
| 23:29.21 | goozbach | [dcarter@ord-mandell ~]$ FOO="STUFF"; BAR="MORE STUFF"; for x in ${FOO} "${BAR}"; do echo "${x}"; done |
| 23:29.25 | goozbach | STUFF |
| 23:29.27 | goozbach | MORE STUFF |
| 23:29.44 | rsimpkins | Ahh ha! Here it is: http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/ivr.html |
| 23:39.09 | goozbach | the ABS is awesome!! |
| 23:40.37 | rsimpkins | Yeah, and that little eval trick is a gem. |
| 23:40.40 | rsimpkins | I'm going to remember that. |
| 23:40.44 | rsimpkins | Worked perfectly. |
| 23:40.50 | goozbach | it's been a while since I've read the ABS |
| 23:41.00 | goozbach | I should re-read i |
| 23:41.07 | goozbach | s/i/it/ |
| 23:41.47 | findlay | ~read goozbach |
| 23:43.17 | rsimpkins | eval foo=\$$bar; is the power. |
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