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| 00:56.18 | Tene | tensai: I never use mine. if you want to come get it tonight, you can have it. |
| 01:02.50 | goozbach | ibot: onjoin keldwud |
| 01:02.50 | ibot | onjoin for keldwud set by supaplex on Sat Apr 5 01:55:17 2008: http://www.discoverychannel.ca/shows/showdetails.aspx?sid=8102 |
| 01:03.05 | goozbach | ibot: onjoin -keldwud |
| 01:03.05 | ibot | goozbach: ok |
| 01:03.10 | goozbach | ibot: onjoin keldwud |
| 01:04.54 | keldwud | :) |
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| 02:19.31 | elg | -excuse |
| 02:19.31 | brac | Police are examining all internet packets in the search for a narco-net-trafficker |
| 02:19.41 | elg | -excuse |
| 02:19.41 | brac | Due to the CDA, we no longer have a root account. |
| 02:19.48 | elg | -excuse |
| 02:19.48 | brac | kernel panic: write-only-memory (/dev/wom0) capacity exceeded. |
| 02:22.43 | Sargun | that'd sad. :-( |
| 02:23.02 | Sargun | -excuse |
| 02:23.03 | brac | halon system went off and killed the operators. |
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| 03:41.08 | Supaplex | -excuse |
| 03:41.08 | brac | PCMCIA slave driver |
| 03:41.15 | tensai | Tene: thanks, but the drive would cost more than the device |
| 03:41.36 | tensai | ~onjoin -keldwud |
| 03:41.36 | ibot | ok, tensai |
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| 04:17.56 | elg | -excuse |
| 04:17.56 | brac | The keyboard isn't plugged in |
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| 04:25.23 | lakshmi | hey |
| 04:27.19 | findlay | nice |
| 04:27.34 | lakshmi | im nice? |
| 04:27.36 | findlay | Thomastik jacket up the price of a set of viola spirocores $20 |
| 04:27.36 | lakshmi | i know :D |
| 04:27.43 | findlay | s/et/ed/ |
| 04:27.52 | findlay | to $60 |
| 04:28.51 | findlay | when they did that to dominants I went looking for new strings, and for about 8 years spirocores have been my secret sauce. Loud, soft, flexible sound all for about $40 |
| 04:29.07 | findlay | ~lart Thomastik |
| 04:29.07 | ibot | drops a truckload of VAXen on Thomastik |
| 04:30.02 | findlay | and besides that, nobody will sell me a set of the narrow gauge kind :( |
| 04:33.26 | rsimpkins | Well our datacenter UPS works. Just incase y'all were wondering. :) |
| 04:34.07 | findlay | rsimpkins: how big is it? |
| 04:34.31 | rsimpkins | findlay: this one is pretty good sized. |
| 04:34.48 | findlay | container-sized? |
| 04:35.22 | rsimpkins | I dunno, maybe 70-80 thousand square feet total? |
| 04:35.32 | findlay | wow |
| 04:35.33 | rsimpkins | Maybe more including office space, probably north of 100 |
| 04:35.37 | rsimpkins | 100 thousand. |
| 04:35.47 | findlay | you have office space in your UPS? |
| 04:35.53 | rsimpkins | datacenter. |
| 04:35.56 | findlay | oh |
| 04:36.09 | findlay | I was wondering how big your UPS was :) |
| 04:36.17 | rsimpkins | We have a UPS in the datacenter, and it works. Except the overhead lights aren't connected to it. :) |
| 04:36.37 | findlay | out of power? :) |
| 04:36.39 | rsimpkins | Oh gosh, we have 1.5MW just to this room. So I'm guessing pretty awefully big. |
| 04:36.49 | rsimpkins | On generator now. Big storm in dallas at the moment. |
| 04:37.14 | findlay | better to have one big one than lots of small ones? |
| 04:37.39 | rsimpkins | I dunno, probably more cost effective. |
| 04:37.49 | rsimpkins | So if that is part of the 'better' equation - then probably. |
| 04:38.04 | Supaplex | yeah, only one thing to break ;) |
| 04:38.20 | findlay | you don't want a container UPS to break :) |
| 04:38.34 | findlay | imagine how much sulfuric acid that is |
| 04:38.45 | Supaplex | lots and lots |
| 04:38.53 | rsimpkins | Gallons no doubt. |
| 04:38.54 | Supaplex | plenty of lead too |
| 04:39.04 | findlay | enough to corrode lots of fun things |
| 04:39.11 | rsimpkins | In other words, call 911 and get out of the way. |
| 04:39.15 | findlay | I bet it's all contained in cells though |
| 04:39.41 | Supaplex | ~rlart |
| 04:39.42 | ibot | eats Zelut and falls over dead |
| 04:39.47 | findlay | -excuse |
| 04:39.48 | brac | Your computer's union contract is set to expire at midnight. |
| 04:41.32 | findlay | well, maybe I won't get new strings then :( |
| 04:41.45 | findlay | didn't know they'd be so pricey |
| 04:43.56 | Supaplex | ~blame big oil |
| 04:43.57 | ibot | ACTION blames big oil (and Canada) for all the evil in the world |
| 05:10.37 | Supaplex | -excuse |
| 05:10.38 | brac | Zombie processes haunting the computer |
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| 05:58.18 | Sargun | I know ibot |
| 05:58.37 | lakshmi | ~onjoin sargun noooooo!!! |
| 05:58.37 | ibot | ok, lakshmi |
| 05:58.43 | lakshmi | much better :P |
| 06:00.08 | Supaplex | ~onjoin lakshmi -excuse |
| 06:00.08 | ibot | ok, Supaplex |
| 06:00.14 | Supaplex | ;D |
| 06:00.40 | Supaplex | decides to go comatose for a few hours |
| 06:05.53 | Sargun | excellent. |
| 06:06.14 | Sargun | pours 2-3 bags of concrete into Supaplex's body cavitities |
| 06:44.36 | findlay | has peanut butter and strawberry sandwitches, because, you know, why eat preserved strawberries when you can have the real thing, besides strawberries are in season! |
| 06:46.44 | Sargun | ? |
| 06:46.56 | Sargun | drowns findlay in peanut butter |
| 06:47.16 | Sargun | shoots strawberries at hundreds of miles an hour at findlay |
| 06:47.43 | Sargun | watches in satisfaction as findlay gets obliterated by strawberries and peanut butter <Muwhahaha!> |
| 06:48.05 | lakshmi | ewww |
| 06:48.10 | lakshmi | banana and peanut butter |
| 06:48.13 | lakshmi | ewwwwwwww |
| 06:48.48 | Sargun | What do you guys think are good icons to ID someone |
| 06:49.12 | findlay | Sargun: use a sicle and crescent |
| 06:49.17 | Sargun | findlay, hehe |
| 06:49.44 | Sargun | We are rolling out a check-in program at work, and I'd like to make it so like depending on their affiliation with the company, their project, and their access restrictions it will print out different sets of icons |
| 06:50.02 | Sargun | Do you guys know where I can find small icons that would stand-out, but not make people look like idiots? |
| 06:52.53 | Sargun | For example if you're an auditor you'll get a little executioner on your badge. |
| 06:53.44 | lakshmi | why did they let you handle this particular job? |
| 06:53.46 | lakshmi | of all people? |
| 06:54.05 | Sargun | lakshmi, uhh, because I'm the only one that cares about security? |
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| 06:54.18 | Sargun | lakshmi, Then again olivia has to use this, which might end -very- badly. |
| 06:54.36 | lakshmi | your gunna make olivia use sometrhing you created? |
| 06:54.49 | lakshmi | her brain might explode from thinking bout this too hard |
| 06:55.01 | Sargun | hehe |
| 06:55.05 | Sargun | That's not difficult. |
| 06:56.18 | lakshmi | i know |
| 06:56.24 | lakshmi | shes delicate |
| 06:56.28 | lakshmi | your security system |
| 06:56.33 | lakshmi | not soo much |
| 07:00.07 | findlay | ~sargun lakshmi |
| 07:00.08 | ibot | see ~tene lakshmi |
| 07:00.17 | Sargun | ~zap findlay |
| 07:00.18 | ibot | ACTION takes out a cattle prod and gives findlay a good jolt. |
| 07:00.31 | findlay | ~trogdor Sargun |
| 07:00.31 | ibot | ACTION burninates Sargun |
| 07:01.26 | findlay | no more schoo |
| 07:01.27 | findlay | l |
| 07:01.34 | findlay | what should I do? |
| 07:01.44 | findlay | anybody want to study abstract algebra with me? |
| 07:01.54 | findlay | just for fun? |
| 07:02.16 | lakshmi | findlay no wonder ... |
| 07:02.24 | findlay | wonder? |
| 07:03.37 | findlay | you should wonder, if you intend to keep you intelligenece up. There's nothing so drastically destructive as failing to sustain a mind with an active imagination |
| 07:05.52 | Sargun | findlay, go skydiving, eat puffer fish, base jumping, kayaking through the most dangerous river in the world, and climb Everest. |
| 07:08.11 | lakshmi | drive on that cool road to the andes |
| 07:08.13 | lakshmi | even better |
| 07:08.44 | Sargun | That aught to kill him. |
| 07:08.54 | Sargun | I mean, errr live life like its no other! |
| 07:36.34 | findlay | Sargun: are you turning down abstract algebra? |
| 07:37.17 | Sargun | findlay, would you like to study abstract algebra in Nigeria? |
| 07:37.32 | Sargun | An area of nigeria where all findlays are shot |
| 07:38.21 | findlay | Sargun: I run a mile up the mountain every other day or so. That has proved to be sufficient aventure for me |
| 07:38.48 | findlay | s/a/ad/g |
| 07:40.17 | tensai | findlay: I don't think you're naive. I think you're a little night music. |
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| 13:19.56 | *** topic/#utah by atoponce -> http://plug.org/irc | Channel log @ http://ibot.rikers.org/%23utah/ | UTOSC 2008 Call for Papers @ http://2008.utosc.com | PLUG server has new home, will probably move week of April 28th. | Ubuntu 8.04 released - use the torrents - http://releases.ubuntu.com/8.04/ |
| 13:20.03 | Supaplex | looks like someone hit the reset button on mornings. |
| 13:22.26 | ^Migs^ | A driver, stranded after he drove into a river, said his sat-nav system guided him in there. |
| 13:22.31 | ^Migs^ | Pat Bowles, from Streamline Taxis, said: "Normal people would stop and back out but because his sat-nav told him to keep going that's what he did. |
| 13:22.35 | ^Migs^ | hahahahaha what an idiot |
| 13:22.49 | ^Migs^ | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/norfolk/7362254.stm |
| 13:22.52 | brac | [BBC NEWS | England | Norfolk | Sat-nav takes cabbie into river] |
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| 14:07.31 | sargun_screen | NAna |
| 14:09.40 | sargun_screen | hello all! |
| 14:09.44 | sargun_screen | Good morning. |
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| 14:22.34 | elg | ~rlart |
| 14:22.35 | ibot | hurls dozens of incontinent, insomniac, hungry kittens with tiny little razor-sharp claws and a wide variety of contagious intestinal parasites at neybar |
| 14:22.40 | elg | -excuse |
| 14:22.42 | brac | Sysadmin didn't hear pager go off due to loud music from bar-room speakers. |
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| 14:44.41 | bbeattie | Anyone seen an fstab mount a filesystem out of order from the fstab? I'm trying to figure out why /store/data is being mounted before /data/samba before /data so I have to unmount and remount /data/samba to get to the samba data. |
| 14:51.32 | kai4785 | I think fstab mounts them in order, but they don't wait for the file system to finish mounting before it moves on to the next one, except for / ofcourse |
| 14:55.42 | sinuhe | In the beginning was SCCS, then was RCS, CVS, Arch, then git. All |
| 14:55.42 | sinuhe | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:55.42 | sinuhe | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:59.42 | bbeattie | .. it's just odd a samba fs mounts before a local drive when the samba drive is late in the fstab ;) |
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| 15:17.37 | atoponce | bbeattie: how do you know mount is mounting the /etc/fstab entries out of order? |
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| 15:22.25 | goozbach | -excuse |
| 15:22.25 | brac | Your Flux Capacitor has gone bad. |
| 15:22.29 | goozbach | -excuse |
| 15:22.30 | brac | waste water tank overflowed onto computer |
| 15:24.40 | goozbach | grrr. I didn't install the ssh server on the servers I built yesterday. now I can't connect to them. |
| 15:24.53 | atoponce | that sux |
| 15:25.25 | atoponce | and you sit there, thinking of any possible route, all with no success |
| 15:25.57 | atoponce | "if i can ssh to my router, then maybe i could send a packet to reboot my box, then i could..." |
| 15:26.10 | atoponce | at least crap like that goes through my mind |
| 15:28.03 | goozbach | perhaps I forgot to disable the firewall, I can't seem to even ping them. |
| 15:30.20 | bbeattie | atoponce: because files that are on sda3 in /store/samba/touchedfiles appear when it also says /store/samba/ is mounted, but the touchedfiles are on sda3, not the cifs mount |
| 15:31.47 | atoponce | so, /dev/sda3 is getting mounted twice? or it's getting mounted to the wrong spot? |
| 15:33.22 | bbeattie | once, |
| 15:33.30 | bbeattie | sda3 should be /store, a cifs mount on /store/samba |
| 15:34.05 | bbeattie | a df shows both are mounted on boot, but data in /store/samba is data from sda3, not samba |
| 15:34.51 | bbeattie | and there's another quirk that about 10 minutes into boot, the samba shares vanish and ?--------- ? ? ? ? ? /store/samba appears in /store |
| 15:35.14 | atoponce | what is the output of 'ls -ld /store/samba' |
| 15:35.33 | atoponce | and 'ls -ld /store' |
| 15:35.36 | bbeattie | one sec, rebooting the box |
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| 15:38.42 | bbeattie | atponce /store is drwxr-xr-x 9 root root 97 2008-04-23 23:08 /store /store/samba is drwxrwxr-x 2 brandon users 23 2008-04-24 01:09 |
| 15:39.47 | atoponce | is samba mounted to /store/samab currently? |
| 15:39.49 | bbeattie | In this last reboot I removed /store/samba from the root fs so only /store exists and the samba mount does not get mounted on boot anymore, but mount -a mounts it |
| 15:40.01 | bbeattie | samba is mounted in those two commands |
| 15:40.22 | atoponce | so, currently, they are mounted correctly |
| 15:40.24 | atoponce | ? |
| 15:40.36 | bbeattie | not without running mount -a after the boot |
| 15:41.21 | bbeattie | but now suddenly the samba mount has vanished |
| 15:42.01 | bbeattie | ls -ld's still the same for both paths |
| 15:42.33 | bbeattie | mount -a brings them back |
| 15:43.52 | bbeattie | nevermind, ls -ld now says drwxrwxr-x 1 root root 0 2008-04-24 00:04, which is a change from 2 to 1 |
| 15:44.52 | levi | Morning. |
| 15:45.28 | mrpull | can a man who uses MS Comic Sans as his email font be trusted? |
| 15:47.50 | Tene | I vote no. |
| 15:48.41 | markl_ | only if you compare to someone who uses Dingbats |
| 15:49.45 | bbeattie | and again the mounts vanish. :) |
| 15:56.11 | mrpull | bbeattie: stupid weather |
| 16:03.25 | bbeattie | atoponce: my connection dropped, did you say something and I missed it? |
| 16:03.25 | bbeattie | atoponce: when the mounts vanish from 'df' they still show up under 'mount' but of course trying to access the directory result in the "?--------- ? ? ? ? ? " |
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| 16:12.23 | atoponce | bbeattie: nope. went to lunch |
| 16:13.00 | atoponce | bbeattie: so, it sounds like you have 1) a bad network connection or 2) a bad samba share |
| 16:13.05 | nick125 | hands bbeattie the roll of duct tape |
| 16:14.44 | bbeattie | both aren't likely though, just one smc managed switch that both systems are connected to in my home and both systems are new ubuntu installs. :) I just love chaos. |
| 16:15.04 | nick125 | stabs this stubborn NFS mount |
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| 16:52.26 | elg | ~lart vontrapp |
| 16:52.26 | ibot | explains, ever so gently, that if vontrapp doesn't give the channel more information, they can't help |
| 16:57.21 | findlay | ~ubuntu vontrapp |
| 16:57.21 | ibot | ACTION lovingly explains to vontrapp in a way that causes vontrapp to weep with gratitude that vontrapp must read the fine, friendly manual |
| 17:01.21 | keldwud | oh is *that* what the F stands for? ;) |
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| 17:02.39 | sontek | ~ustl vontrapp |
| 17:02.56 | elg | ~whack a mole |
| 17:02.57 | ibot | ACTION whacks a mole upside the head. |
| 17:03.57 | sontek | how do I create a factoid/ |
| 17:06.08 | sontek | whoops, it might exist, I typed it wrong |
| 17:06.12 | sontek | ~utsl vontrapp |
| 17:06.17 | sontek | nope :( |
| 17:09.36 | sontek | ~utsl vontrapp |
| 17:09.36 | ibot | ACTION hands vontrapp vim and git and in his best yoda voice says "Use the source vontrapp" |
| 17:09.42 | sontek | :D |
| 17:13.33 | sontek | ~rlart |
| 17:13.34 | ibot | beats the living hamstercrap out of dataw0lf |
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| 17:26.28 | thaddeusq | MSG ibot |
| 17:26.45 | findlay | ~msg |
| 17:26.46 | ibot | (1) Use private messages to the bots to reduce channel spam, but don't message people on #debian without asking permission first. Most questions should be asked on channel, so that others can benefit from the question and the answers received. (2) Always feel free to message freenode network staff. They're the people with hostnames ending in 'staff.freenode'. (3) Monosodium glutamate, a food additive (see http://truthinlabeling.org/). |
| 17:29.41 | keldwud | haha. ibot's a smartass :) |
| 17:41.32 | findlay | man, why can't hp printers support postscript level 3? |
| 17:41.38 | findlay | the world would be so much simpler |
| 18:20.36 | findlay | autounmask++ |
| 18:24.00 | findlay | autounmask irc-user/lakshmi |
| 18:24.19 | lakshmi | what? |
| 18:24.27 | findlay | hehe |
| 18:24.42 | findlay | ask sontek |
| 18:24.50 | findlay | s/sontek/Sargun/ |
| 18:25.23 | lakshmi | no |
| 18:25.30 | lakshmi | findlay you did it, you explain |
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| 18:26.33 | findlay | lakshmi: you are now at the latest version |
| 18:27.41 | Sargun | why not ask sontek |
| 18:27.55 | keldwud | laughs @ finger pointing |
| 18:28.06 | Tene | http://dontstayvirgin.movielol.org/main2.php |
| 18:28.08 | brac | [Don't Stay a Virgin] |
| 18:28.20 | keldwud | waves his arms frantically, "over here! I'm wide open. pass it to me!" ;) |
| 18:28.48 | findlay | lakshmi: ask keldwud |
| 18:28.55 | lakshmi | omgs |
| 18:28.57 | lakshmi | someone tell me |
| 18:29.03 | findlay | heh |
| 18:29.07 | findlay | just some silly app |
| 18:30.53 | keldwud | heh :) |
| 18:31.21 | keldwud | are you guys playing keep-away? from lakshmi? play nice now ;) |
| 18:33.45 | findlay | Description: autounmask - Unmasking packages the easy way |
| 18:33.57 | findlay | its for teh gentoos |
| 18:48.17 | Sargun | How do you handle vertical lines in linear algebra? For doing intersections/matrix work with them? |
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| 18:54.46 | redbeard2 | ~lart sjansen |
| 18:54.46 | ibot | executes killall -TERM sjansen |
| 18:55.09 | sjansen | ~travolta redbeard2 |
| 18:55.09 | ibot | ACTION replaces redbeard2 with several craters in a multi-colored display of superior fire power |
| 18:55.43 | redbeard2 | wow... i didn't even know you could do that |
| 18:55.54 | Tene | ~sjansen redbeard2 |
| 18:55.54 | ibot | ACTION tells redbeard2 good things about sjansen |
| 18:56.03 | findlay | ~tene sjansen |
| 18:56.04 | ibot | ACTION h4x0rz sjansen onto parrot |
| 18:56.08 | redbeard2 | Tene: that one i have seen before |
| 18:56.23 | Tene | ~redbeard2 sjansen |
| 18:56.49 | redbeard2 | ~brulee sjansen |
| 18:56.50 | ibot | ACTION whisks sjansen with eggs and cream, and bakes at 350F before sprinkling with sugar and torching |
| 18:56.54 | findlay | Sargun: a vertical line is undefined, therefore it has no domain, therefore it's not a function |
| 18:57.09 | Sargun | ugh. |
| 18:57.26 | Sargun | findlay, If I want to find the intersection of a vertical line and another line, then what do I do? |
| 18:57.35 | findlay | whatever it is you're trying to do with vertical lines can almost certainly be accomodated by some transform or other |
| 18:57.41 | Sargun | solve for that x |
| 18:57.43 | Sargun | uhh |
| 18:57.53 | sjansen | alter your coordinate system |
| 18:58.05 | Sargun | ugh, I'm going to have to right routines to check for undefined slopes. |
| 18:58.28 | findlay | the fact that vertical lines translate into singular algebraic objects is an interesting introspection into the fundamental relationships of mathematical realms |
| 18:58.40 | sjansen | I recommend a Negroponte transform. It's computational complexity is low, and the degree of unpredictability makes it more exciting. |
| 19:00.10 | Sargun | heh. |
| 19:00.19 | sjansen | Although using a radio-cubical coordinate system can also be enjoyable since it has an unusual tendency to result in images vaguely similar to New Yorker cartoons. |
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| 19:01.38 | findlay | lines are just fine, but when you try to map them out with coordinates and then construct functions from those coordinates, unfortunate things will happen |
| 19:02.56 | findlay | so as you see, mathematics in the end is all about definitions and the clever things you can construct with the things you define |
| 19:03.20 | findlay | 'following the rules'. Ask Wittgenstein about that one |
| 19:04.34 | findlay | contrary to silly popular belief, mathematics does not rest upon some cosmic consistency or certainty |
| 19:04.56 | jsmith | findlay: The problem is, definitions are often shortcuts, and there are often assumptions that are made in those definitions that can get you into real trouble... |
| 19:05.04 | findlay | it originates and remains the tool and toy of the human wit and intellect |
| 19:05.14 | findlay | jsmith: truly |
| 19:05.28 | jsmith | findlay: I was gonna say "human torture device", but to each his own ;-) |
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| 19:08.04 | sjansen | I am the Walrus. |
| 19:09.08 | findlay | steps off his math soapbox |
| 19:12.41 | sjansen | http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/funny-pictures-ducktape-duck.jpg |
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| 19:29.33 | goozbach | I forgot that SUSE has to reboot twice during an install |
| 19:29.52 | goozbach | so I took out my disc on the first reboot, and walked away... |
| 19:30.05 | nick125 | SuSE :( |
| 19:30.22 | goozbach | came back about 45min later and it's sitting on the bios screen saying "no operating system installed" |
| 19:31.26 | sjansen | nick125: To be fair, anyone who complains about "SuSE" instead of "SUSE" probably hasn't used it in forever. |
| 19:32.25 | nick125 | sjansen: You have a point there.. |
| 19:34.26 | goozbach | I'm giving SUSE another chance |
| 19:34.40 | sontek | I love my SUSE |
| 19:36.02 | findlay | ~suse Sargun |
| 19:36.05 | findlay | ~suse sontek |
| 19:36.11 | Sargun | -_- |
| 19:36.11 | sjansen | Every time I dig into the inner workings of SUSE I end up wondering how many dealers it takes to supply their engineers. |
| 19:36.12 | Sargun | Lines: (41.57815,-87.63582) and (41.57822,-87.59624) at (-87.63582000000315,41.5 |
| 19:36.12 | Sargun | 78149999999994) |
| 19:36.12 | Sargun | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:36.12 | Sargun | Lines: (41.57815,-87.63582) and (41.57815,-87.59571) at (NaN,NaN) |
| 19:36.16 | Sargun | erg, FSCK! |
| 19:36.36 | sinuhe | sjansen: I know this from experience. My last version of SuSE was 6.3. (I saw 7, but didn't use it extensively.) |
| 19:36.39 | Sargun | They freaking intersect you piece of crap junk |
| 19:38.27 | sjansen | I plan on running openSUSE 11.0 for awhile when it comes out. Since Novel bought them, them I get the impression they're drifting toward sanity... but that might just be wishful thinking. |
| 19:39.34 | mrpull | sjansen: novel will _improve_ the Suse situation? |
| 19:39.57 | sinuhe | mrpull: That was my thought, too... |
| 19:41.29 | sjansen | mrpull: Have you looked at some of the crazy-a** things SUSE does? sux, SuSEconfig, rug, their stupid one kernel at a time upgrades, a boot process built using make, and more |
| 19:42.08 | mrpull | maybe novel's ties to microsoft will help them out <joking> |
| 19:42.14 | goozbach | ... the fact it takes HOURS to do a simple install |
| 19:42.31 | findlay | ~make sjansen |
| 19:42.32 | ibot | make: *** No rule to make target `sjansen'. Stop. |
| 19:42.42 | goozbach | ... the fact it takes three reboots to do an install (very microsoft-ish) |
| 19:42.58 | mrpull | I haven't tried suse for anything beyond a desktop install to poke my head around |
| 19:43.58 | sjansen | Thankfully, some of those things are historical. The make based boot seems to have been a failed experiment. sux has been replaced by pam_xauth. They've added libvirt and virt-manager as an alternative to their annoying YaST Xen wizard. |
| 19:45.42 | sjansen | Heck, they've even added the "service" command. A choice I can only explain by guessing that Novell is pushing their engineers to make it easier for customers to transition from RH, a natural result of which is less NIH wackiness. |
| 19:47.05 | sjansen | RH may have its faults, but it's generally done a better job of working with the community to get it's work adopted by others, and RH hasn't been afraid of copying the best ideas from Debian. |
| 19:48.41 | sjansen | And speaking of community, openSUSE is finally starting to come into its own. That's going to be another force for good. |
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| 19:52.25 | findlay | pashdown: what are your conclusions from the KSL radio show on public wireless? |
| 19:52.40 | pashdown | someone with a company talked to cannon |
| 19:52.44 | findlay | heh |
| 19:53.11 | pashdown | looks like that m2v or whatever they are have lobbied for spectrum before |
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| 19:58.51 | ^Migs^ | what's some open source video editing software? |
| 19:59.40 | beandog | what kind of editing |
| 20:00.03 | ^Migs^ | something like Adobe Premiere |
| 20:00.09 | ^Migs^ | splicing video tracks, adding audio, etc. |
| 20:00.12 | findlay | media-video/avidemux, media-video/cinelerra-cvs, media-video/kdenlive, media-video/lives, media-video/pitivi |
| 20:00.19 | ^Migs^ | cinelerra, that's what I was thinking of |
| 20:00.39 | findlay | " |
| 20:00.52 | findlay | s/"//g |
| 20:02.23 | ^Migs^ | never seen pitivi |
| 20:02.25 | ^Migs^ | looks cool |
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| 20:08.42 | ^Migs^ | whoa |
| 20:08.50 | ^Migs^ | what are YOU doing here, VanLearRose? |
| 20:09.07 | VanLearRose | looking for someone |
| 20:09.27 | ^Migs^ | that sounded disapproving. I didn't mean for it to. |
| 20:09.29 | VanLearRose | actually i am stalking you |
| 20:09.33 | VanLearRose | meh |
| 20:09.35 | VanLearRose | its fine |
| 20:09.38 | ^Migs^ | spleh |
| 20:10.04 | VanLearRose | what are YOU doing here? |
| 20:10.56 | ^Migs^ | ME??? |
| 20:11.06 | ^Migs^ | I'm a permanent fixture of #utah. |
| 20:11.13 | VanLearRose | oh wait i am the Odd one right right |
| 20:11.36 | Tene | Hi! |
| 20:11.48 | ^Migs^ | ~lart Tene |
| 20:11.48 | ibot | executes killall -HUP Tene |
| 20:14.38 | findlay | ~migs VanLearRose |
| 20:14.38 | ibot | ACTION forces VanLearRose to learn perl from ^Migs^ |
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| 20:18.04 | findlay | ~migs VanLearRose |
| 20:18.05 | ibot | ACTION forces VanLearRose to learn perl from ^Migs^ |
| 20:18.14 | VanLearRose | snort |
| 20:18.19 | ^Migs^ | ~vanlearrose findlay |
| 20:18.27 | ^Migs^ | ~whaleslap vanlearrose |
| 20:18.28 | ibot | ACTION beats vanlearrose upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 20:18.40 | VanLearRose | gah! |
| 20:18.45 | VanLearRose | don't pick on me |
| 20:19.02 | VanLearRose | If Jayce knew i was in her he would be pickin on me too |
| 20:19.39 | findlay | ~jayce ^Migs^ |
| 20:19.40 | ibot | ACTION replaces ^Migs^ with a small perl script. |
| 20:19.40 | markl_ | ~lart Jayce^ |
| 20:19.40 | ibot | whips out his power stapler and staples Jayce^'s foot to the floor |
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| 20:22.35 | elg | -excuse |
| 20:22.35 | brac | it has Intel Inside |
| 20:23.10 | findlay | haha |
| 20:25.37 | levi | Crazy, someone wrote a PHP compiler in Scheme. |
| 20:26.50 | Jayce^ | ~lart markl_ |
| 20:26.50 | ibot | whacks markl_ upside the head |
| 20:27.48 | markl_ | ouch |
| 20:27.56 | markl_ | Jayce^: what's new? |
| 20:28.34 | Jayce^ | so one of the people I'd just trained to do all my operational work at UNTD just quit |
| 20:28.38 | Jayce^ | :) |
| 20:28.48 | Jayce^ | funny watching pete Panic |
| 20:31.17 | Jayce^ | picks on VanLearRose , not knowing who it is |
| 20:32.32 | VanLearRose | you do that and I am going to flip you off |
| 20:33.14 | VanLearRose | wait can i say that in here? |
| 20:33.22 | VanLearRose | maybe i should be nicer |
| 20:33.38 | VanLearRose | I am the better looking one of the Redbeard Duo |
| 20:33.40 | sjansen | ~greet VanLearRose |
| 20:33.40 | ibot | ACTION dumps a bucket of cold oatmeal on VanLearRose |
| 20:34.35 | VanLearRose | your not like the others guys here in the trailor park Stewart |
| 20:35.04 | sjansen | Yup, he's a Hall. |
| 20:35.31 | sjansen | ~redbeard2 VanLearRose |
| 20:35.40 | sjansen | ~redbeard VanLearRose |
| 20:36.10 | sjansen | ~jphall VanLearRose |
| 20:36.24 | sjansen | Harumph. Bad ibot, no biscuit. |
| 20:36.57 | VanLearRose | tehe |
| 20:38.32 | beandog | I dont understand how this --directory option is supposed to work in tar |
| 20:39.05 | beandog | or whats its trying to accomplish |
| 20:39.20 | beandog | its still prepending the entire directory in front of everything |
| 20:46.28 | goozbach | I'm now up to 4(Four) reboots |
| 20:46.44 | goozbach | (because I decided to update my system during the install) |
| 20:48.05 | elg | ~lart emcnabb |
| 20:48.05 | ibot | beats emcnabb senseless with a 50lb Unix manual |
| 20:48.14 | sjansen | beandog: It's primary use is to compensate for the fact that (as a safety feature) tar always strips the leading slash from absolute paths. |
| 20:49.10 | beandog | right |
| 20:49.11 | sjansen | tar xvf full-system.tar -C / # restore in place instead of to $PWD |
| 20:49.23 | beandog | oh, is intended for extract? |
| 20:49.26 | beandog | that makes sense, then. |
| 20:49.59 | sjansen | gives himself a Scoobie snack |
| 20:50.24 | elg | irradiates sjansen's scoobie snack |
| 20:51.11 | elg | wonders if he can survive another 1.5 weeks of this working all the time thing |
| 20:51.28 | sjansen | That elg, always looking out for me, making sure I don't eat anything dangerous. |
| 20:51.32 | sjansen | ~thank elg |
| 20:51.32 | ibot | my pleasure, sjansen |
| 20:51.49 | sjansen | is waiting for ibot to show his gratitude for him |
| 20:52.04 | elg | ~lart the bot |
| 20:52.04 | ibot | gets a hotmal account and SPAMs the bot |
| 20:53.26 | tensai | has anyone solved the traveling salesman problem yet? |
| 20:53.41 | tensai | sjansen: did you have a chance to look at your bluetooth adapter? |
| 20:53.52 | elg | tensai: sure |
| 20:54.01 | tensai | elg: in O(n) time? |
| 20:54.32 | elg | O(1) time |
| 20:54.35 | sjansen | tensai: I guess I never went online to give you a chance to remind me. |
| 20:54.52 | elg | http://xkcd.com/399/ |
| 20:54.53 | brac | [xkcd - A webcomic of romance, sarcasm, math, and language - By Randall Munroe] |
| 20:54.55 | tensai | sjansen: I stayed up until 4am waiting for you |
| 20:55.41 | sjansen | You should've used your secret ISP powers to track me down and hack my system. I was streaming Pretender episodes until 2am. |
| 20:56.34 | tensai | I think you've got me confused with the NSA |
| 20:58.03 | VanLearRose | I met the Pretender one time |
| 20:59.19 | elg | is that a dog trainer? |
| 20:59.28 | tensai | elg: question about transcoding in myth. if I understand correctly, myth can record at full resolutions and then reencode at lower bitrates, right? is that what you're doing? |
| 20:59.49 | elg | sort of, and yes |
| 20:59.54 | goozbach | I watched "Curious Jarod" night before last, and "The Paper Clock" last night |
| 21:00.07 | goozbach | <3's the Pretender |
| 21:00.11 | beandog | tensai, depends on your card, as well |
| 21:00.17 | elg | with an hdhr (that's what you have right?) myth can *only* "record" at full resolution |
| 21:00.28 | elg | it doesn't really record, it just saves the mpeg2 stream to disk |
| 21:00.33 | tensai | elg: yes, that's what I have and that's what I suspected |
| 21:00.44 | elg | then you can transcode it to save space or make it playable, etc. |
| 21:00.47 | tensai | explains why 30 minutes of tv is 2.5G |
| 21:00.53 | Sargun | tensai, why not? |
| 21:01.01 | levi | elg: How is saving the stream to disk not really recording? |
| 21:01.03 | tensai | Sargun: why not not? |
| 21:01.13 | Sargun | -_- |
| 21:01.26 | elg | stream size depends on the station too |
| 21:01.26 | Sargun | tensai, what resolution is this tv? |
| 21:01.40 | tensai | Sargun: the display? it's an analog tv, ntsc. |
| 21:01.41 | elg | levi: it all depends on what one means by record |
| 21:01.55 | Sargun | tensai, how many FPS? |
| 21:01.56 | elg | tensai: i transcode all of my stuff down to 640xauto |
| 21:02.06 | levi | elg: What's your definition that it doesn't meet? |
| 21:02.13 | elg | since it's getting resized to roughly that size on playback anyway |
| 21:02.17 | elg | ~dict record |
| 21:02.34 | goozbach | this network install of SUSE is difficult |
| 21:02.51 | Sargun | how many bytes is a pixel? |
| 21:02.51 | goozbach | I have to manually force yast to boot the hard drive each time I reboot |
| 21:02.55 | tensai | elg: how does one set that up? I've tried a few things and I never get any transcoding. |
| 21:03.11 | elg | levi: to me record implies a change of format. you have analog signal and you store it on magnetic tape, or sample it and store it on disk |
| 21:03.19 | markl_ | tensai: 2.5G is nothing, that is probably not even a hi def signal |
| 21:03.23 | tensai | Sargun: how many fps is the TV? it's 30 fps interleaved. that's standard ntsc. |
| 21:03.32 | tensai | markl_: yes, that's what concerns me |
| 21:03.33 | elg | if I copy a movie file from one HD to another, did I record something? |
| 21:03.42 | Sargun | Tene, Wikipedia: NTSC with a frame rate of 23.976 fps is described in the NTSC-film standard. |
| 21:03.46 | elg | technically, in the sense that copying any file is "recording to disk", perhaps |
| 21:03.47 | markl_ | actually 2.5G per half hour might be nbc |
| 21:03.52 | tensai | elg: yes and you should pay your tax to the mpaa |
| 21:03.54 | elg | if I download an mp3 from the web, did I record it? |
| 21:04.13 | markl_ | tensai: just get a multi terabyte raid array and you'll be ok |
| 21:04.33 | markl_ | imo the transcoding isn't worth the pain, i can barely tolerate mythcommflag |
| 21:04.35 | tensai | markl_: bugger's too loud already. that's the last thing I need. would be fun though. |
| 21:04.43 | elg | but in the sense of "i captured the bits flying through the air for later playback" it does fit |
| 21:04.49 | markl_ | tensai: pxe boot to an iscsi array in the other room :) |
| 21:05.00 | levi | elg: If it's a live stream that happens to be in mp3 format, 'record' seems as good a term as any. |
| 21:05.01 | Tene | Sargun: Thanks! I always wanted to know that! Why are you telling me, though? |
| 21:05.02 | nick125 | anyone here use GFS? |
| 21:05.13 | Sargun | nick125, the RH thing? |
| 21:05.15 | elg | it's a close fit, but depending on the context it could be glazed over and the significance of the not-really-recordingness missed, which is why I pointed it out explicitly |
| 21:05.34 | Tene | nick125: I've used it in the lab a few times. |
| 21:05.42 | elg | levi: I say saving is a better term |
| 21:05.42 | nick125 | Sargun: yeah |
| 21:05.47 | levi | elg: I'm just not seeing what essential sense of the word 'recording' it doesn't capture. |
| 21:05.55 | tensai | nick125: same here. used it once in a test environment. never really got it working right. |
| 21:06.12 | nick125 | I was thinking of giving GFS+AoE a try. |
| 21:06.19 | Sargun | Tene, 56 mbit/sec with no compression.. |
| 21:06.20 | elg | levi: record might have implied that it could be recorded at varying quality/bitrate/etc. |
| 21:06.26 | levi | So, 'saving' might be a better fit, but you're saying that 'recording' is technically incorrect on some level, and I'm trying to see why. |
| 21:06.36 | elg | I didn't know if the word record implied that to tensai or not, so I made it explicit |
| 21:06.38 | Sargun | nick125, goozbach must have. he is an RHCX |
| 21:06.59 | Tene | Sargun: you're tab-completing wrong. Check your tab-completiong. |
| 21:07.08 | Tene | Sargun: you want to talk to tensai, not tene. |
| 21:07.12 | elg | because with an hdhr, you get the stream you get, and then you can transcode it. there's no changing "recording quality" |
| 21:07.21 | Sargun | Tene, Hmph, you guys are about the same ;-P |
| 21:07.43 | Tene | Sargun: true, but tensai is missing the hilights. |
| 21:07.45 | goozbach | Sargun: RHCX doesn't mean you know GFS |
| 21:07.48 | markl_ | what is an hdhr? |
| 21:07.50 | levi | elg: Anyway, I understand what you meant now, though "recording quality" with other types of recording is just transcoding by another name. |
| 21:07.56 | markl_ | how does it compare to a pchdtv 5500 |
| 21:07.58 | elg | incidentally, HD is something like 20mbit/s which is about 9G/hour, so 2.5 G for half an hour would be roughly half HD, and it might be HD resolution with lower bitrate |
| 21:08.03 | tensai | markl_: hdhomerun |
| 21:08.05 | goozbach | GFS is only handled in the RHCA level classes |
| 21:08.18 | Sargun | goozbach, you never did the RHCA level classes? |
| 21:08.27 | goozbach | nope |
| 21:08.29 | Sargun | goozbach, All RHCXs should have to be RHCAs! :-P |
| 21:08.31 | tensai | markl_: don't know how it compares though. the hdhr has dual tuners and just feeds an mpeg2 stream across the network. |
| 21:08.40 | sinuhe | I can't imagine wanting to do RHCA. RHCSS sounds interesting, but I doubt I'd be interested in much more. |
| 21:08.42 | markl_ | dual tuners is nice |
| 21:08.43 | goozbach | Sargun: doesn't work that way |
| 21:08.58 | goozbach | wished it had... |
| 21:09.00 | elg | levi: well, yes, but since it's encoding from analog it's not really *trans*coding, so much as *en*coding. but yeah, same CPU requirements though myth doesn't (afaict) support transcoding on the fly as you save the mpeg2 stream |
| 21:09.02 | goozbach | but oh well |
| 21:09.03 | sinuhe | Some things in computers just aren't that interesting. |
| 21:09.06 | Sargun | goozbach, Yeah, I know, but that's how Cisco does it, sort of.. |
| 21:09.08 | tensai | I think I've got too much signal loss with my splitter though. right now I've only got one tuner active |
| 21:09.09 | markl_ | i have a pair of 5500's and it is kind of a PITA to get going due to weird module issues when you have 2 |
| 21:09.13 | sinuhe | Now selinux, kerberos...aaahhh |
| 21:09.24 | Sargun | sinuhe, SELinux :-( |
| 21:09.30 | sinuhe | :-(? |
| 21:09.36 | elg | tensai: so when you set up a recording, you can choose the recording profile and the transcoding profile, and whether to allow it to auto-transcode |
| 21:09.37 | Sargun | SELinux is a pain |
| 21:09.51 | elg | the recording profile, just ignore it with an hdhr |
| 21:09.52 | sinuhe | A pain for crackers, yes. :-) |
| 21:09.55 | tensai | markl_: yeah, that's why I went with the hdhr. dead simple dual tuners. and only $169 to boot. |
| 21:09.56 | levi | elg: Analog signals are encoded, too, though I guess the term encoding is more common for digital. |
| 21:10.06 | elg | basically the only setting you can set in a recording profile is whether or not to allow auto transcoding |
| 21:10.36 | levi | markl_: That's the advantage of the hdhomerun. No kernel issues whatsoever; no driver required. |
| 21:10.39 | elg | levi: well now you're just being silly. :) of course they're encoded but they're not digitally encoded. |
| 21:11.18 | tensai | elg: I upgraded myth from 0.20 to 0.21 last night and now I've got that magical xv setting you were telling me about |
| 21:11.20 | beandog | meh |
| 21:11.24 | beandog | just get an hd tivo :) |
| 21:11.29 | elg | tensai: you might want to enable transcoding in the default hdhr recording profile |
| 21:11.32 | levi | elg: Yeah, but I'm saying the ADC process is a transcoding proces, because you've got to decode the analog signal and then encode the digital one. |
| 21:12.01 | elg | for an analog radio signal, ok I'll grant it though not in the usual sense of "transcode" when talking amongst computer geeks |
| 21:12.04 | tensai | beandog: and miss out on all this fun? |
| 21:12.14 | elg | though it's not the ADC process that's transcoding |
| 21:12.33 | elg | ADC is just ADC. the interpretation of the sample analog signal is the transcoding bit |
| 21:12.43 | beandog | tensai, my tivo swore me off of ever trying to hack mythtv for recording tv ever again |
| 21:13.11 | elg | i can't see myself paying a subscription for a PVR |
| 21:13.15 | beandog | I do love MythVideo though. |
| 21:13.21 | beandog | elg, yah, I bought a lifetime sub. |
| 21:13.23 | elg | subscription for channel information (schedules direct) sure |
| 21:13.23 | tensai | beandog: building it is half the fun |
| 21:13.39 | mrpull | tivo is the answer... though I did just trade in the directv tivo for the lousy d* branded dvr |
| 21:13.42 | elg | beandog: I thought I heard they were aboloshing that and screwing the lifetime subscription customers |
| 21:13.49 | levi | $20/yr is completely reasonable for Schedules Direct. I'm happy how that turned out. |
| 21:13.50 | beandog | elg, nope |
| 21:13.55 | beandog | elg, I just got mine a few weeks ago |
| 21:14.35 | beandog | I think its $15/yr isnt it? |
| 21:14.39 | elg | I might go tivo when I have the money to burn. hardly seems worth it for broadcast tv though |
| 21:14.55 | elg | tensai: what kind of signal gains do you get? |
| 21:14.59 | beandog | elg, well, yah, mines dual-tuner HD. is very nice. Picks up all the encrypted channels too. |
| 21:15.06 | elg | the splitter I have doesn't seem to have much loss |
| 21:15.09 | beandog | CableCard++ |
| 21:15.16 | tensai | elg: 65-70% |
| 21:15.18 | levi | beandog: So, how much was your Tivo and how does it compare with your former MythTV recording? |
| 21:15.20 | beandog | elg, come over some time, Ill demo it for yah |
| 21:15.22 | markl_ | man i wish i could combine cablecard with mythtv |
| 21:15.30 | markl_ | dish network dvr hella sucks |
| 21:15.32 | elg | beandog: maybe come Christmas :) |
| 21:15.36 | beandog | levi, well, tbh, I was never happy with mythtv recording anyway, so it didnt take a lot for me to jump ship |
| 21:15.43 | elg | I like dish's dvr |
| 21:15.48 | beandog | levi, Tivo was $250 plus $400 for lifetime sub |
| 21:15.50 | elg | though I've never graced a tivo |
| 21:15.51 | markl_ | it is better than no dvr |
| 21:15.54 | beandog | but, I'm hooked. |
| 21:15.58 | elg | but comcast's REALLY sucked |
| 21:15.59 | beandog | I've got 4 at home now. 3 with lifetime subs. |
| 21:16.00 | markl_ | tivo is about a zillion times better than dish |
| 21:16.20 | elg | and dish is about a zilion times better than comcast |
| 21:16.31 | markl_ | i have heard that comcast is the worst |
| 21:16.32 | levi | beandog: $650 is reasonable compared to a dual-HD MythTV setup. |
| 21:16.44 | elg | tensai: what about with the splitter? |
| 21:16.51 | beandog | levi, yah? I guess so, never really thought about it. One nice thing is I dont have to split between two cards. |
| 21:17.03 | beandog | the cable I mean. |
| 21:17.21 | beandog | and yes, Comcasts' DVR will make you want to slay kittehs. |
| 21:17.22 | elg | what kind of antenna do you have? you should try the coat hanger loop |
| 21:17.36 | tensai | elg: haven't done a qualitative analysis. with the splitter I wasn't able to complete a channel scan. |
| 21:17.55 | levi | beandog: Well, there's probably a signal splitter inside the box. |
| 21:18.03 | tensai | elg: antenna is a massive external brute |
| 21:18.09 | markl_ | i have the old voom dish/antenna combo still |
| 21:18.16 | elg | ah, then the coathanger loop might not help :) |
| 21:18.32 | elg | but maybe if you hook up the other tuner with one you can at least pick up some of the stations on it |
| 21:18.47 | mrpull | I bought an inexpensive phillips antenna to check out KJZZ's HD coverage of the jazz games |
| 21:18.50 | elg | you don't have an amplifier probably |
| 21:18.59 | levi | Massive external antennas are generally tuned for low VHF channels, aren't they? |
| 21:18.59 | mrpull | POS doesn't keep the gain setting for the amp |
| 21:19.02 | beandog | levi, yah, I just mean, its nice that I don't have to split my cable one more time with an external splitter. |
| 21:19.08 | mrpull | every fifteen minutes you have to get up and reset it |
| 21:19.11 | beandog | levi, andd degrade the signal even more |
| 21:19.20 | tensai | elg: part of the problem I'm sure is that I have another splitter already in line, so my loss is even more magnified. I need to rethink my cabling. |
| 21:19.24 | elg | levi: depends on the design. they can do uhf too |
| 21:19.41 | elg | oh yeah, two or more splitters is asking for it |
| 21:19.55 | levi | elg: Yeah, I'm just thinking that if it's really old, it might not be optimal for UHF. |
| 21:19.57 | mrpull | it took all of 5 seconds to google it and find that lots of others have the same problem with this antenna |
| 21:20.07 | elg | tensai: levi has a point - all my HD channels are (for now) UHF, and your antenna may be primarily designed for VHF |
| 21:20.17 | elg | s/HD/digital/ |
| 21:20.42 | elg | mrpull: did you see my blog entry about a coathanger antenna? |
| 21:20.50 | elg | it beat the pants off of my RCA amplified antenna |
| 21:20.55 | mrpull | I did. Are you familiar with the term WAF? |
| 21:21.14 | levi | Anyway, from my research, a good UHF antenna with a signal amplifier right next to it might work well if you need to go through a splitter. |
| 21:21.14 | elg | :) |
| 21:21.22 | elg | well you can run coax to it and put it in the garage or something |
| 21:22.01 | elg | or just pull it out for jazz games. jazz games are probably pretty low on the WAF scale to begin with ;-) |
| 21:22.04 | tensai | elg: some of mine are vhf and some are uhf. channels 9, 17, 23 and 36 |
| 21:22.49 | levi | tensai: I seriously doubt any digital signals are on the real channel 9, 17, etc. |
| 21:22.52 | beandog | so what would be larger in size, 1080i or 720p? |
| 21:22.58 | mrpull | my wife just had some custom furniture designed for the new TV |
| 21:22.59 | elg | tensai: which ones don't come in well? btw, make sure you're finding out the real channel, not the advertising channel |
| 21:23.17 | levi | tensai: Have you looked on antennaweb? |
| 21:23.20 | tensai | levi: yes, those are the real channels. they claim to be 3, 6, 8 and 10. |
| 21:23.23 | elg | antennaweb is awesome |
| 21:23.46 | levi | tensai: What's your zip code? |
| 21:23.48 | elg | what kind of antenna does antennaweb say you need? |
| 21:23.58 | tensai | levi: 83402 |
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| 21:24.15 | mrpull | when D* releases their OTA addon for their DVR I'll probably pay somebody to come install an outdoor antenna |
| 21:25.04 | tensai | now that I think about it, it's the higher freq channels that don't come in as well |
| 21:25.19 | elg | tensai: sounds like you could use a UHF antenna |
| 21:25.26 | mrpull | levi: do you get KSTU's UHF signal? |
| 21:25.33 | mrpull | I get everything but "13" |
| 21:26.04 | tensai | elg: all of them come in fine for the dtv converter box. occasionally there's some garbage, but not like the hdhr experiences |
| 21:26.05 | levi | tensai: antennaweb says you have 3 current digital channels at frequencies 17, 23, and 36. They correspond to analog 10, 6, and 3. |
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| 21:26.24 | tensai | levi: channel 8 is on digital 9 as well |
| 21:26.29 | elg | antennaweb tells me you have channels 10.1, 8.1, 6.1, 3.1, and 15, that are really on channels 17, 8, 23, 36, 15 respectively |
| 21:26.48 | levi | elg: You'll note that 2 of them have live dates in the future. |
| 21:26.50 | elg | but the post-transition stuff I'm not sure about |
| 21:27.04 | elg | yeah, antennaweb lies to me about the post-transition ones too |
| 21:27.15 | tensai | I have 15 and 31 which are analog only and will have a hot-cut to digital some time in the future |
| 21:27.18 | elg | even though they are live on a different frequency now |
| 21:27.55 | elg | http://www.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/lineupui?Cmd=LocationProgramsWeb&Country=US&Postcode=83402 |
| 21:28.24 | elg | looks like your digital landscape isn't near as cool as mine |
| 21:28.50 | elg | anyway, it says yellow UHF and one green UHF (that you don't get digitally yet anyway) |
| 21:29.07 | beandog | don't watch the yellow UHF |
| 21:29.14 | elg | which is what antennaweb says about mine too. you ought to try the coat hanger |
| 21:29.33 | elg | you might be surprised |
| 21:29.46 | tensai | elg: that's not me. it says "11 programs for US:83301" and none of those channels match mine. |
| 21:30.13 | elg | tensai: oh, interesting. anyway, I'm looking at antennaweb still |
| 21:31.20 | elg | you don't have to solder anything at first. just bend a coat hanger, rub off the enamel, and hold it in place at the end of a coax cable |
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| 21:31.36 | elg | kind of tricky, but non-permanent (except that you ruin a coat hanger - oh noes!) |
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| 21:36.08 | levi | tensai: I have this antenna, and it works well for me: http://www.solidsignal.com/prod_display.asp?PROD=CM4220M |
| 21:36.11 | brac | [Channel Master CM 4220M Two-Bay HDTV / UHF Antenna with Mount (CM-4220M) | CM4220M [Channel Master] | db2 CM 4220 CM4220 CM 4220 4228 4221] |
| 21:37.00 | elg | levi: are any of those channels there going to go vhf next year? |
| 21:37.09 | levi | Possibly. |
| 21:37.22 | elg | i know a couple of mine are. |
| 21:37.26 | levi | In that case, I might have to investigate another antenna. |
| 21:37.56 | elg | cross that bridge when it falls down |
| 21:38.25 | mrpull | I understand that KSTU will be VHF after the analog cutoff |
| 21:38.26 | elg | a vhf coat-hanger dipole is easy to make too :) |
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| 21:39.17 | elg | i wonder about combining them onto the same feed line though |
| 21:46.37 | levi | I wonder how much this costs: http://www.computermodules.com/broadcast/atsc-master-fd.shtml |
| 21:46.40 | brac | [ATSC Master, ATSC and SMPTE 310M PCI Interface for capture and playback.....] |
| 21:47.12 | nick125 | Anyone here ever do a mixed NAT/public IP setup? |
| 21:47.25 | elg | nick125: as in ... |
| 21:47.43 | elg | a public IP with a nat behind it? |
| 21:47.57 | nick125 | elg: Some machines are assigned NAT'ed IPs, some are assigned public IPs, and they can communicate between each other |
| 21:48.08 | elg | that's me home network |
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| 21:48.41 | elg | do you want two subnets on the same network segment? |
| 21:48.45 | nick125 | I don't want to do 1:1 NAT, either. |
| 21:48.48 | nick125 | elg: essentially, yes. |
| 21:49.05 | elg | it can be done, but it's easier if you can keep them separate with a router between |
| 21:49.11 | elg | but i do it |
| 21:49.44 | nick125 | well, my server is going to be the "router" for the entire network |
| 21:49.55 | elg | the hardest part in my setup is that the modem's public IP and my server's public IP are on the same subnet but different segments |
| 21:50.14 | nick125 | elg: I had a similar problem here. |
| 21:50.26 | tensai | nat is Teh Evil® |
| 21:50.28 | elg | i have cisco -- openwrt -- lan |
| 21:50.41 | nick125 | elg: 678? |
| 21:50.49 | elg | cisco, openwrt, and a couple boxes on lan have public IPs in the same subnet |
| 21:51.03 | elg | other boxes on lan get dynamic NAT'd IPs (NAT at openwrt) |
| 21:51.19 | levi | Hmm, gnuradio might be able to transmit ATSC. |
| 21:51.25 | elg | the hard bit was setting up the openwrt and cisco so that things didn't get confused |
| 21:51.41 | beandog | tensai, heh |
| 21:51.42 | nick125 | My problem was that two interfaces on my router/server had an IP in the same subnet as my modem, so it wouldn't know where to send stuff...so I had to add an explicit route |
| 21:52.13 | nick125 | basically routing <modem IP> to <modem IP> on the WAN interface. |
| 21:52.16 | elg | http://hans.fugal.net/blog/articles/2007/11/24/my-openwrt-configuration |
| 21:52.49 | elg | yup, needs a static route. and the stupid cisco 678 was getting its arp tables confused for no apparent reason |
| 21:53.04 | tensai | elg: originally we moved to the big daddy antenna because we got crap for analog with bunny ears. the directional antenna worked well enough for that, although not perfect |
| 21:53.17 | tensai | I tried a bunch of indoor antennas and they all sucked |
| 21:53.55 | elg | were you able to watch the stations at all? |
| 21:54.29 | mrpull | tensai: pre or post digital tv? |
| 21:54.38 | tensai | mrpull: pre |
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| 21:55.01 | elg | i get digital stations that were nothing but snow before |
| 21:55.02 | tensai | elg: with bunny ears, mostly no. with directional antenna, yes although with issues |
| 21:55.14 | mrpull | my experience has been that given the same equipment the digital stations come in MUCH better |
| 21:55.18 | elg | don't know how they'd be now with my coat hanger antenna |
| 21:55.23 | elg | guess I could hook up the tv and see |
| 21:55.49 | tensai | I do still have the bunny ears. I could put that on port 1 and see what it does. |
| 21:56.06 | elg | bunny + circle? |
| 21:56.08 | tensai | that would be even easier than bending a coat hanger |
| 21:56.19 | elg | true that |
| 21:56.20 | tensai | elg: yes. the bunnies should be irrelevant for uhf, no? |
| 21:56.26 | elg | right |
| 21:56.28 | elg | and vice versa |
| 21:56.50 | tensai | if only I didn't have that one vhf station |
| 21:57.26 | elg | well the combo one, if it's worth anything (mine wasn't) will let you get both vhf and uhf |
| 21:58.11 | levi | Ouch, the hardware to use gnuradio goes for $700. |
| 21:58.15 | tensai | and I could always prune that channel out of the lineup for that port |
| 21:58.45 | nick125 | elg: Do you know if there is a way to route NAT'ed traffic out a specific virtual interface/IP? |
| 21:58.49 | tensai | levi: they say something about being able to use a modified cable modem. I have an old one you could have. |
| 21:59.06 | levi | tensai: That's receive-only, though. |
| 21:59.08 | levi | I think. |
| 21:59.27 | tensai | levi: possibly. I get very confused every time I read about gnuradio. |
| 22:00.12 | elg | tensai: yah, you could set up two sources - vhf antenna and uhf antenna |
| 22:01.03 | elg | gnuradio looks really cool but expensive to get started |
| 22:02.05 | elg | nick125: more info please |
| 22:07.06 | Sargun | nick125, look into source based routing |
| 22:11.04 | findlay | ~weather kpvu |
| 22:11.17 | findlay | light snow? |
| 22:11.23 | findlay | hardly |
| 22:11.36 | dmdavis | findlay: is it heavy where you are? |
| 22:11.43 | findlay | dmdavis: it was |
| 22:11.51 | elg | -metar kslc |
| 22:11.52 | brac | KSLC 242153Z 26011G19KT 10SM SCT055 BKN065 BKN140 07/M03 A3017 RMK AO2 SLP211 SH DSNT SE T00721033 |
| 22:13.14 | mrpull | stupid snow |
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| 22:14.20 | elg | ~lart redbeard2 |
| 22:14.20 | ibot | resizes redbeard2's terminal to 40x24 |
| 22:14.25 | beandog | ~weather |
| 22:14.38 | findlay | ~redbeardn |
| 22:16.49 | elg | -weather ksfo |
| 22:16.49 | brac | 21 minutes ago, on Thu Apr 24 21:56:00 UTC 2008, the wind was blowing at a speed of 7.20 meters per second (16.11 miles per hour) from the West at KSFO. The temperature was 17.2 degrees Celsius (63.0 degrees Fahrenheit), and the pressure was 1024 hPa (30.00 inHg). The relative humidity was 32.6%. There were scattered clouds at a height of 4572 meters (15000 feet). The visibility |
| 22:16.50 | brac | was 2.0 kilometers (1.2 miles). |
| 22:17.41 | nick125 | Sargun: Want some LDAP Jelly to go on some LDAP Bread with LDAP Butter? |
| 22:17.54 | Sargun | Heck No! |
| 22:18.10 | findlay | ~ldap nick125 |
| 22:18.11 | nick125 | gives Sargun some more LDAP Koolaid |
| 22:19.17 | nick125 | Sargun: I mean, don't you want an LDAP webserver with an LDAP mail server and an LDAP LDAP server? |
| 22:22.23 | Jayce^ | from whiteout to sunny and blueskies in < 5 minutes... nice |
| 22:25.16 | findlay | it's over |
| 22:25.30 | tensai | elg: well, the rabbit ears are working about as well as I expected. cuts in and out quite a bit |
| 22:26.03 | elg | -metar kpvu |
| 22:26.03 | brac | KPVU 242150Z 30014G23KT 2SM -SN SCT008 BKN027 OVC055 03/M04 A3021 |
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| 22:30.25 | tensai | -weather kida |
| 22:30.31 | brac | couldn't find weather data for KIDA |
| 22:30.48 | tensai | -metar kida |
| 22:30.53 | brac | couldn't find weather data for KIDA |
| 22:30.58 | tensai | hmmm |
| 22:31.06 | elg | -weather kidf |
| 22:31.11 | brac | couldn't find weather data for KIDF |
| 22:31.16 | tensai | http://www.airnav.com/airport/KIDA |
| 22:31.17 | brac | [AirNav: KIDA - Idaho Falls Regional Airport] |
| 22:31.20 | tensai | it's definitely kida |
| 22:31.37 | elg | ~metar kida |
| 22:31.42 | levi | Hmm, there's a card called a TVB 590 that will take an MPEG2 stream on disk and send it out via QAM or 8VSB. |
| 22:31.54 | levi | And it's got Linux drivers. |
| 22:32.07 | elg | levi: gonna start your own tv station? |
| 22:32.24 | goozbach | ~metar atl |
| 22:32.39 | goozbach | ~metar atlan |
| 22:32.41 | elg | ~metar katl |
| 22:32.58 | levi | elg: I'm thinking that it would be useful for video distribution around a house. |
| 22:33.12 | elg | :) |
| 22:33.14 | elg | could work |
| 22:33.30 | levi | elg: Like how you can use an RF modulator to throw the output of a VCR or whatever around. |
| 22:34.20 | tensai | levi: sounds like it would be cheaper to run coax |
| 22:34.46 | levi | tensai: Um, it requires that you run coax. |
| 22:34.57 | levi | tensai: The idea is that you get HD video, not SD video. |
| 22:36.08 | tensai | for $700 you could buy a lot of coax |
| 22:36.22 | levi | It basically 'broadcasts' a digital TV station to an antenna or closed-loop coax distribution system. |
| 22:36.42 | levi | tensai: You seem to have missed something fundamental here. |
| 22:36.58 | levi | You have to buy the coax anyway. |
| 22:37.57 | tensai | your mention of gnuradio threw me. I thought you meant rebroadcasting the signal. |
| 22:38.46 | levi | Clearly you can easily throw NTSC signals around your house through the coax network. But that gets you a standard def, 2-channel audio signal. |
| 22:39.27 | levi | Here, you can populate a digital channel in your home with HD programming you stored on your media server. |
| 22:39.57 | levi | I'm just dreaming here, of course, but it's interesting to see how feasible your dreams are occasionally. |
| 22:41.52 | findlay | levi: the Industry wants you to use HDMI(R) |
| 22:41.58 | findlay | :) |
| 22:42.26 | nick125 | Here goes nothing. |
| 22:42.50 | findlay | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:43.20 | findlay | <nothing> |
| 22:43.46 | tensai | I notice that my wifi has a tough time with a full hd stream |
| 22:43.52 | levi | findlay: HDMI is not suitable for long-distance transport. |
| 22:44.31 | levi | findlay: Which is why we have QAM and 8VSB. They're what digital cable and digital broadcast TV use. |
| 22:44.48 | levi | I am aiming to replace HDMI with EthernetAV, anyway. |
| 22:46.11 | tensai | levi: will ethernetav have all that drm junk? |
| 22:46.45 | mrpull | levi: directv has a "pro" receiver that sends HDMI over fiber |
| 22:47.41 | levi | tensai: Undoubtedly some transport protocols will have drm, but the basic technology won't. |
| 22:47.57 | levi | mrpull: Fiber is expensive; cat5 is cheap. |
| 22:48.29 | jsmith | levi: Not really, with the price of copper these days... it's the labor that's expensive |
| 22:48.32 | tensai | cheap and ubiquitous |
| 22:49.04 | mrpull | not many have glass in their wall yet though |
| 22:49.06 | jsmith | tensai: As opposed to "cheap and ridiculous" |
| 22:49.17 | mrpull | if we are dreaming, lets make it all wireless |
| 22:49.22 | findlay | I saw a DVD player that had optical out and the optical cable was about the size of an xlr cord |
| 22:50.23 | findlay | mrpull: somebody can intercept your sound packets and listen/watch your movie from their laptop in the car across the street! |
| 22:50.34 | findlay | better encrypt your theater data |
| 22:50.35 | levi | Hm, I guess fiber isn't terribly expensive anymore. |
| 22:51.05 | levi | Well, if fiber ever becomes cheaper than twisted pair, you can easily run ethernet over it. :) |
| 22:51.25 | findlay | multiple aethernets :) |
| 22:51.49 | levi | EthernetAV is being designed to work with 802.11, too. |
| 22:52.23 | mrpull | of course our utopia detractor friends will tell us that fiber will be worthless in 6 weeks |
| 22:52.32 | findlay | haha |
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| 23:04.36 | tensai | mrpull: that's was on monday. it's only 5 1/2 weeks now |
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| 23:04.38 | *** mode/#utah [+o TimRiker] by ChanServ |
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| 23:07.22 | findlay | TimRiker: ping |
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| 23:11.46 | findlay | TimRiker: I have some questions about the new familysearch wiki if you know anything about it |
| 23:17.55 | *** part/#utah xpot (n=xpot@144.35.254.4) |
| 23:18.05 | findlay | ye haw, phpBB :-) |
| 23:24.46 | findlay | ~date |
| 23:24.46 | ibot | It is now 2008.04.24 23:24:46 GMT |
| 23:25.59 | beandog | if only I could wear ibot on my wrist. :'C |
| 23:26.18 | beandog | I'd lart everyone |
| 23:26.21 | beandog | ~rlart |
| 23:26.22 | ibot | nabs the moon and broadsides markl___ with the sea of tranquility |
| 23:27.14 | Heartsbane | ~lart beandog |
| 23:27.14 | ibot | forces beandog to use Outlook Express |
| 23:28.30 | jnbek | awww, that's just gross |
| 23:31.54 | *** part/#utah brasto (n=brasto@166.70.44.49) |
| 23:36.06 | nick125_eee | I'm going to assume this is bad: |
| 23:36.08 | nick125_eee | ata1.00: tag 0 cmd 0xc8 Emask 0x1 stat 0x51 err 0x4 (device error) |
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| 23:39.06 | synic | fires up Jayce^'s last.fm station |
| 23:44.21 | levi | So, for anyone who does code reviews, take a look at Review Board. |
| 23:48.28 | Supaplex | -excuse |
| 23:48.28 | brac | Mouse has out-of-cheese-error |
| 23:51.15 | tensai | nick125_eee: it means your eee is failing and you might as well send it to me |
| 23:52.00 | nick125_eee | tensai: Haha...very funny. The even funnier part is that error wasn't on my eee ;-) |
| 23:52.45 | tensai | nick125_eee: see how far the destruction has spread? better get rid of it before everything you own starts erroring out. |
| 23:53.07 | nick125_eee | hahah |
| 23:53.24 | nick125_eee | tensai: You send me a new server and I'll send you this one |
| 23:55.39 | tensai | new new or just new to you? |
| 23:55.58 | nick125_eee | *shrugs* |
| 23:57.51 | *** join/#utah elg (n=fugalh@dhcp18.cs.nmsu.edu) |
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| 23:58.34 | Supaplex | elg: do you cringe at the thought of making homemade bread with a bread machine? |
| 23:58.57 | elg | only insomuch as it makes inferior bread and takes up counter space |
| 23:59.10 | elg | but if it's that or wonderbread, hey |
| 23:59.20 | Supaplex | indeed =) |
