| 00:01.18 | keldwud | dilvie sez: what up sucka!? @ findlay |
| 00:01.19 | keldwud | :) |
| 00:02.39 | findlay | just worrying about my finals tomorrow |
| 00:04.32 | elg | basket weaving? |
| 00:04.49 | elg | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:18.27 | keldwud | I ate a quantum mechanic earlier today |
| 00:18.34 | keldwud | and then I got faster |
| 00:18.39 | keldwud | *toggle* |
| 00:19.02 | findlay | don't those give you an extra life? |
| 00:19.46 | keldwud | nah, they toggle your speed intrinsic |
| 00:19.52 | findlay | oh |
| 00:19.55 | keldwud | so if you are not fast, you become fast |
| 00:20.02 | keldwud | but don't eat one if you are a Valkrie |
| 00:20.09 | keldwud | they are already very fast |
| 00:32.12 | sargun_screen | ~ping |
| 00:32.13 | ibot | pong |
| 00:32.35 | sargun_screen | d_b |
| 00:32.41 | sargun_screen | b_d |
| 00:32.46 | sargun_screen | d_b |
| 00:32.48 | sargun_screen | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:32.54 | sargun_screen | \_/ |
| 00:33.44 | keldwud | e-peen! |
| 00:33.47 | keldwud | heh |
| 00:33.53 | keldwud | ( . )( . ) |
| 00:33.57 | keldwud | mmm breasteses |
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| 01:55.43 | elg | *gasp* |
| 01:55.45 | elg | this paper is more math than english |
| 01:56.00 | elg | it's like the borg |
| 01:56.05 | elg | or vader |
| 01:56.10 | elg | "He's more machine than man now" |
| 01:57.01 | levi | What paper? |
| 01:57.23 | fozzmoo | "It's more machine than paper now." |
| 01:57.53 | levi | "It's more fozzmoo than machine now." |
| 01:58.07 | fozzmoo | Hmmm. |
| 01:58.29 | fozzmoo | I never thought I'd be happy to say this... but Hillary's winning! |
| 01:58.37 | findlay | heh |
| 01:58.39 | elg | a paper on using sparse coding to do music transcription |
| 01:58.50 | elg | a really interesting application and concept |
| 01:58.59 | elg | but boy is the math heavy |
| 01:59.32 | elg | basically, it's a machine learning thing that tries to find the simplest possible explanation for the inputs |
| 02:00.00 | elg | neural network sort of thing |
| 02:01.24 | levi | fozzmoo: Because you think Obama has a chance of competing with McCain and she doesn't, or you think she'd be better as a President? |
| 02:01.43 | levi | Neural networks are surprisingly math-heavy. |
| 02:01.51 | levi | I was surprised, anyway. |
| 02:02.01 | elg | yeah you'd think they'd be simple |
| 02:02.16 | elg | graph, update rules, voilá |
| 02:02.19 | fozzmoo | levi: Mostly because I'm for limiting Obama's chances of being elected. |
| 02:02.26 | fozzmoo | I'm more frightened of him than her. |
| 02:02.41 | Tene | Why are you frightened of Obama? |
| 02:02.42 | elg | that makes one of you |
| 02:02.50 | fozzmoo | Tene: He's... BLACK! |
| 02:02.53 | elg | (i.e. I'm more frightened of her than him) |
| 02:02.58 | levi | I don't think any viable candidates are Left enough to be scary. |
| 02:03.14 | elg | actually i'm not really frightened of him at all |
| 02:03.18 | elg | slightly trepid |
| 02:03.23 | fozzmoo | levi: I don't think any of them are viable candidates, but Obama is... scary. |
| 02:03.25 | elg | but so about mcain as well |
| 02:03.31 | Tene | fozzmoo: howso? |
| 02:03.50 | levi | They're all scary. I mean 'viable' as in 'still in the running'. |
| 02:04.37 | fozzmoo | In an era where it seems a no-brainer that the federal govt needs to stop spending so much money, regardless of whether you think tax cuts are good or bad, Obama wants to add hundreds of billions of dollars of spending. |
| 02:05.04 | fozzmoo | Some of it is fairly unsurprising faire for liberals- universal health care, education, etc. |
| 02:05.07 | levi | Apparently, and this is just a blurb I saw in a headline, Clinton said that we could "totally obliterate" Iran in response to a nuclear strike against Israel. |
| 02:05.41 | fozzmoo | But some of it is just to pay respect to the UN. |
| 02:05.48 | levi | fozzmoo: Did he say he wants to add hundreds of billions in spending, or did his opponents make price estimates for stuff he said he wanted to do? |
| 02:05.49 | fozzmoo | Global taxation, distribution of wealth. |
| 02:06.10 | fozzmoo | levi: No, it's all fact. The candidates have all layed out their plans. |
| 02:06.17 | fozzmoo | It's either on their websites or in their speeches. |
| 02:06.28 | goozbach | but fozzmoo, it's more "FAIR" |
| 02:06.29 | fozzmoo | Hillary is behind Barack in spending. |
| 02:06.51 | fozzmoo | goozbach: Sure, it's more fair... it levels the playing field between me, you, and the poor kids in Ethiopia. |
| 02:06.52 | goozbach | anyone done any irssi scripting? |
| 02:07.13 | goozbach | is offically an "evil" person (according to the IRS) |
| 02:07.44 | elg | congrats |
| 02:07.45 | levi | I didn't know the IRS passed moral judgement. |
| 02:08.22 | Tene | goozbach: a bit |
| 02:08.24 | goozbach | levi: you can tell by how much money they take out |
| 02:08.33 | fozzmoo | levi: They do... if you don't feel charitable on 4/15, you're EVIL. |
| 02:08.35 | fozzmoo | :) |
| 02:08.42 | goozbach | Tene: I'm trying to create an event handler for "send text" |
| 02:08.58 | goozbach | but I'm sending text to a window which isn't connected to a server or channel |
| 02:09.35 | goozbach | so my window item which should be passed by the event is not getting passed |
| 02:09.36 | levi | fozzmoo: Nah, you're emparting too much emotion to them. You're either 'in compliance' or 'not in compliance'. |
| 02:10.50 | levi | I happen to like the idea of paying taxes for the government to spend, though of course I would object if it were onerous enough that I couldn't live comfortably. |
| 02:10.59 | Tene | goozbach: dunno |
| 02:11.40 | goozbach | Tene: you can see the code here: http://projects.friocorte.com/twitter-irssi/browser/trunk/twitter.pl |
| 02:11.41 | Tene | I'm personally in support of paying higher taxes if I have some indication that the money will be vaguely well-spent. |
| 02:12.31 | fozzmoo | Tene: You're so naive. :) |
| 02:12.43 | Tene | fozzmoo: quite true. |
| 02:13.11 | fozzmoo | K. I'm gone. Sons Of Nothing playing a short set at Liquid Joes tonight in SLC. 9:00. $5. If anyone's interesting. :) |
| 02:13.22 | levi | It's a bureaucracy, of course it's going to be largely wasted. Most money is largely wasted, though, so it's not like I'm getting that raw of a deal. |
| 02:13.26 | findlay | NO MOAR TAKKS! |
| 02:13.39 | findlay | now vote for me :) |
| 02:13.50 | elg | votes findlay off the islad |
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| 02:13.56 | findlay | yay |
| 02:14.05 | elg | don't be so happy to see Sargun |
| 02:14.11 | Sargun | yay, I'm here |
| 02:14.13 | Sargun | :-D |
| 02:14.15 | Sargun | I know |
| 02:14.15 | findlay | ~hap Sargun |
| 02:14.19 | goozbach | I'm interesting |
| 02:14.23 | Sargun | ~onjoin Sargun YAY! |
| 02:14.23 | ibot | ok, Sargun |
| 02:14.31 | Sargun | goozbach, Excuse me, what? ;-P |
| 02:14.57 | findlay | I'm not |
| 02:15.06 | findlay | guess that means I get to keep my $5 |
| 02:15.23 | goozbach | 20:13 < fozzmoo> K. I'm gone. Sons Of Nothing playing a short set at Liquid Joes tonight in SLC. 9:00. $5. If anyone's interesting. :) |
| 02:15.23 | findlay | that's 5 movies at the local theater :) |
| 02:15.34 | goozbach | Sargun: I'm mocking fozzmoo's typo |
| 02:15.54 | Sargun | ah |
| 02:16.25 | Sargun | got user-mode connection load balancing working :-D |
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| 02:16.45 | elg | would much rather be writing a compiler than a paper right now |
| 02:16.54 | Sargun | I can actually get something like 1.5 mbit/sec out of 3 EvDO connections |
| 02:17.01 | Sargun | (Download) |
| 02:17.12 | Tene | elg: you should write a compiler for parrot. |
| 02:17.20 | levi | elg: Me too, actually, but I'm wishing my compiler was done. |
| 02:17.25 | Sargun | and 10.2 mbit/sec downstream with two 6 mbit DSL lines. |
| 02:17.41 | elg | Tene: let me get back to you on that when I actually care about parrot |
| 02:19.32 | elg | isn't parrot some kind of vm or clr sort of thing? |
| 02:19.46 | elg | does parrot hold promise of neverending heaps of libraries, like cpan? |
| 02:19.55 | elg | or would it be starting from scratch? |
| 02:20.25 | levi | Parrot is vaguely interesting, but llvm is a more viable target machine at present, I think. |
| 02:20.37 | Tene | It holds promise of being able to use anything from cpan in any of its hosted languages. |
| 02:20.38 | findlay | ~llvm |
| 02:20.40 | goozbach | wow, 261 nicks on a channel and it's DEAD |
| 02:20.43 | elg | llvm? LoLlygagger VM? |
| 02:20.49 | findlay | yup |
| 02:20.55 | goozbach | #irssi |
| 02:21.00 | findlay | goozbach: idlerpg? :) |
| 02:21.00 | levi | elg: Since Parrot's primary language will probably be perl, CPAN will definitely be available. |
| 02:21.03 | elg | goozbach: that's a channel |
| 02:21.15 | elg | but will current CPAN be available, or only stuff ported to perl6? |
| 02:21.17 | levi | LLVM = Low Level Virtual Machine |
| 02:21.24 | Tene | elg: current cpan |
| 02:21.29 | Sargun | Is there a HLVM? |
| 02:21.31 | Sargun | ;-P |
| 02:21.33 | elg | and will one be able to interact with them? |
| 02:21.37 | levi | There are lots of HLVMs. |
| 02:21.41 | Tene | Yes. |
| 02:21.49 | Sargun | levi, I know, it was a joke. They are called VMs usually. |
| 02:21.50 | elg | from e.g. my toy language that I make up and implement in parrot |
| 02:21.57 | Tene | elg: yes. |
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| 02:22.16 | elg | can cpan help me write this paper? |
| 02:22.17 | Sargun | Math in Java != fun. |
| 02:22.26 | Tene | elg: Text::Markov |
| 02:23.04 | findlay | Paper::Write::Autogen::LaTeX |
| 02:23.16 | elg | i think my paper would have too many :: |
| 02:23.45 | levi | llvm is currently used in the OpenGL pipeline in OS X 10.5 to provide dynamically-optimized support for missing hardware features. |
| 02:24.10 | elg | interesting |
| 02:24.33 | findlay | how does that work? |
| 02:24.40 | levi | And it executes C code with efficiency rivalling gcc. |
| 02:25.06 | levi | findlay: A JIT compiler. |
| 02:26.12 | findlay | levi: I read that as 'llvm is teh awesome: it replaces missing pieces of hardware with dynamically built virtual components' |
| 02:28.10 | findlay | or do you mean it inserts code somehow into the drivers to support hardware features otherwise unsupported? |
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| 02:38.17 | levi | findlay: So, OpenGL is a library that draws 3d stuff. There's 3D acceleration available for most of it, but cards support different feature sets. You can ship a single library that, faced with missing hardware support for some features, can have platform-optimized software rendering of that feature. |
| 02:40.44 | levi | Apparently in OS X, it does vertex processing or something like that. |
| 02:41.07 | findlay | that's neat |
| 02:41.47 | levi | Here are slides describing it: http://llvm.org/devmtg/2007-05/10-Lattner-OpenGL.pdf |
| 02:43.34 | levi | llvm is really cool technology. |
| 02:49.08 | findlay | so, it's like compiling your own kernel |
| 02:57.11 | elg | no, that's ice cream |
| 02:57.32 | levi | Ice cream is like compiling your own kernel? |
| 02:59.29 | Sargun | levi, basically |
| 02:59.36 | findlay | ice cream is compactified kernel residue |
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| 03:26.59 | fozzmoo | is reporting live |
| 03:27.04 | fozzmoo | from Liquid Joes |
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| 03:28.42 | elg | ~pour liquid joe |
| 03:28.43 | ibot | ACTION quickly pours a 40-foot deep layer of concrete below where liquid joe is digging his hole, so liquid joe is only able to dig one inch and then no further |
| 03:30.58 | findlay | " |
| 04:27.58 | fozzmoo | If anyone cares, pictures are up: http://www.sonsofnothing.com/RockShow/gig/176/Images |
| 04:28.13 | Tene | fozzmoo: you're hanging out with SoN again? |
| 04:30.23 | findlay | that's enough |
| 04:32.02 | findlay | I have the crossdev toolchain setup. Compiling an 'embedded' kernel will be a task for a future day :) |
| 04:32.04 | lakshmi | fozzmoo pictures of? |
| 04:32.04 | fozzmoo | Tene: Just went to a show tonight, as a spectator |
| 04:32.12 | fozzmoo | lakshmi: Sons Of NOthing, silly. |
| 04:32.19 | fozzmoo | I taped the whole 45 min set too. |
| 04:32.24 | lakshmi | youtube? |
| 04:32.27 | fozzmoo | If it looks/sounds good, maybe I'll throw it up. |
| 04:32.29 | findlay | fozzmoo: how was the spectation? |
| 04:32.39 | lakshmi | how was the band? |
| 04:32.40 | fozzmoo | There's about 60 people here. |
| 04:32.42 | lakshmi | what kinda music is it? |
| 04:32.49 | fozzmoo | Progressive/Rock/Pop |
| 04:32.55 | fozzmoo | They threw in an Alan Parsons tune... |
| 04:33.05 | fozzmoo | and a Marillion tune. |
| 04:33.11 | Tene | fozzmoo: let me know if you upload it somewhere. |
| 04:33.16 | fozzmoo | I will. |
| 04:33.22 | fozzmoo | Okay. I'm going to pack up and go home. |
| 04:33.31 | fozzmoo | talk to ye all later., |
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| 04:42.28 | sontek | sup |
| 05:14.43 | Sargun | Can someone fill me in on the general jist of Christians questioning Christianity? |
| 05:15.15 | lakshmi | are you taking a humanities class or what dude? |
| 05:15.28 | lakshmi | i can tell you about hte protestant revolution |
| 05:15.49 | Sargun | uhh |
| 05:15.55 | Sargun | uh |
| 05:16.57 | Sargun | Any Christians here? |
| 05:17.10 | fozzmoo | raises his hand |
| 05:18.08 | Sargun | fozzmoo, Can you tell me if questioning one's faith is a discouraged practice in Christianity? |
| 05:18.32 | fozzmoo | I know in my faith, it's expected and encouraged. |
| 05:18.56 | fozzmoo | But I think it varies from church to church. |
| 05:18.58 | lakshmi | but isnt mormon christian a bit different ? |
| 05:19.10 | Sargun | fozzmoo, Is that part of the old testament also? |
| 05:19.43 | fozzmoo | lakshmi: We believe Jesus Christ is our savior. I think that's the most important part of being Christian, isn't it? |
| 05:20.36 | fozzmoo | Sargun: I don't profess to be an expert on old testament religious matters. It seems the Old Testament was more about obedience than faith or the questioning thereof. :) |
| 05:20.52 | lakshmi | fozzmoo but i thought the mormon crhistians have vast differences which make them a whole different church |
| 05:21.36 | fozzmoo | lakshmi: The biggest difference in our belief and that of the Catholic church, for example, is that we believe Jesus Christ is a complete and separate person than God the Father. |
| 05:22.30 | Sargun | Ok |
| 05:22.33 | fozzmoo | They believe Jesus, God, and Holy Ghost are three ways of looking at the same person, or the same person at different times, or something. |
| 05:22.46 | fozzmoo | Not really sure,tho. Never been Catholic. |
| 05:23.52 | Sargun | fozzmoo, Christianity offers reprieve to those who repent, correct? Up to what point? |
| 05:24.14 | fozzmoo | Again, the belief varies from church to church. |
| 05:24.45 | fozzmoo | Some churches preach that you can be saved by simply professing a belief in the gospel of the church and in Christ. |
| 05:25.42 | fozzmoo | We (Mormons) believe one must have faith, but also must live in service to his fellow man (and his God) to be saved. |
| 05:26.35 | fozzmoo | Why all the religion questions, anyhow? |
| 05:27.02 | Sargun | fozzmoo, School essay. |
| 05:27.07 | fozzmoo | Ahhh. Fun. |
| 05:27.11 | Sargun | Very. |
| 05:28.54 | tensai | fozzmoo: I hear mormons have horns too |
| 05:29.11 | fozzmoo | tensai: yep. On top of our temples. :) |
| 05:29.20 | tensai | heh |
| 07:02.13 | sontek | yay, my office is re-wired |
| 07:02.43 | Sargun | sontek, how so? |
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| 07:06.32 | sontek | I just went through and replaced everything with cat6 :) |
| 07:08.03 | Sargun | nice. |
| 07:08.06 | Sargun | sontek, how much cable |
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| 07:14.32 | sontek | wasn't much, I only have 6 computers in my office, 4 of which are stacked on top of each other |
| 07:14.54 | sontek | but before I just had random cat5 cables that were like 10-25ft when they only needed to be a couple of inches |
| 07:14.56 | Sargun | oh, that's not bad |
| 07:14.57 | sontek | so it was a mess |
| 07:15.01 | Sargun | ouch |
| 07:15.04 | Sargun | Where do you work |
| 07:15.21 | Sargun | or what do you own? |
| 07:15.22 | sontek | this is my home office |
| 07:15.26 | Sargun | Ah. |
| 07:15.33 | sontek | but I work for a company called Orchid |
| 07:15.45 | sontek | our network room could use this same spring cleaning ;P |
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| 14:06.59 | gshipley | I have put forth an honest effort to like kde 4.0.3 --- but really, this thing not even close to being ready for shipping with current distros |
| 14:19.22 | fozzmoo | http://youtube.com/watch?v=TPex35JbJLM |
| 14:20.11 | fozzmoo | Tene: You asked for it. |
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| 15:09.17 | keldwud | you mean upside down text ibot? |
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| 15:56.45 | Tene | rotated |
| 16:10.04 | brasto | hey guys, we have a network folder mounted. The remote machine is a mac, and our local machines are all macs. It's mounted under "Places". cmd +j (show view options) /should/ have 'calculate all sizes' unchecked because it slows something down. However, if there is a power outage and our macs reboot, they all check that box again every time. Is there a way to force it to stay unchecked? |
| 16:13.15 | fozzmoo | Tene: rotated? |
| 16:13.29 | Tene | fozzmoo: yes |
| 16:13.41 | fozzmoo | blinks |
| 16:13.57 | levi | brasto: You might try editing the plist file for the Finder manually. |
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| 16:15.13 | bonez44 | if I hit File and Save As in Firefox...to save a page...will it in fact save the entire page...all in html... as it displays originally when browsed from the net? |
| 16:15.28 | fozzmoo | bonez44: It depends on how you save it. |
| 16:15.35 | fozzmoo | If you choose HTML Only, then that's all you get. |
| 16:16.05 | fozzmoo | If you choose Web Page, Complete, it will create a folder on your computer with all the supporting files (i.e. images, js, css, etc.) |
| 16:20.01 | brasto | where's that plist file, levi? |
| 16:20.25 | bonez44 | fozzmoo: thanks..I saved it as web page complete |
| 16:22.02 | fozzmoo | np |
| 16:22.31 | levi | brasto: I don't remember exactly; try looking in the Library directory. |
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| 16:31.34 | brasto | found it levi, but i'm not sure which section to edit |
| 16:32.28 | brasto | networkviewoptions didn't seem to have that setting, at least not with a similar enough name I'd recognize it. |
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| 16:51.36 | sjansen | ~rlart |
| 16:51.37 | ibot | duct-tapes eggyknap to the floor and drools on him |
| 16:53.20 | tensai | ~sjansenlart |
| 16:54.04 | sjansen | ~eggdrop findlay |
| 16:57.01 | tensai | ~eggdrop $findlay is <action> pours findlay into a chicken broth and scallion soup |
| 16:57.01 | ibot | tensai: okay |
| 16:57.08 | tensai | ~no, eggdrop $findlay is <action> pours $findlay into a chicken broth and scallion soup |
| 16:57.47 | tensai | ~forget cmd: eggdrop (.*?) |
| 16:57.47 | ibot | tensai: i forgot cmd: eggdrop (.*?) |
| 16:57.54 | tensai | ~eggdrop $findlay is <action> pours $findlay into a chicken broth and scallion soup |
| 16:57.55 | ibot | okay, tensai |
| 16:58.59 | sjansen | ~eggdrop tensai |
| 16:59.00 | ibot | ACTION pours tensai into a chicken broth and scallion soup |
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| 17:33.13 | levi | Hmm, why do my ping times suddenly jump from .5ms to 500ms? |
| 17:38.31 | jsmith | levi: Going over an EVDO connection? Overloaded router? Bad cable? |
| 17:38.46 | levi | jsmith: No, it's either a problem with my driver or my chip. |
| 17:39.21 | levi | I'm guessing that the chip is getting hosed. |
| 17:39.24 | jsmith | levi: Blame the silicon... |
| 17:39.34 | jsmith | levi: If it were a software problem, it'd be fixed by now |
| 17:39.41 | levi | Heh. |
| 17:40.13 | levi | Well, this is a pre-production chip and I'm not terribly confident in the skill of the designers. |
| 17:40.48 | jsmith | levi: I figured as much, which is why I blamed the silicon |
| 17:41.09 | jsmith | levi: Chip designers are rarely programmers, and vice versa ;-) |
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| 17:50.59 | ^Migs^ | what would be a good way to ruin Dell's reputation? |
| 17:51.08 | ^Migs^ | or ways |
| 17:51.44 | herlo | this makes me sad :( --> http://tinyurl.com/56ry36 |
| 17:51.53 | ^Migs^ | if I wanted to alert the media to shady practices going on within their company, who would I whistleblow to? |
| 17:52.15 | ^Migs^ | I guess I wouldn't technically be whistleblowing |
| 17:56.07 | ^Migs^ | they're really pissing me off. Now they're saying they won't honor our original quote even though it was SUPPOSED to be submitted 2 months ago |
| 17:56.43 | unum | you can post in on their website |
| 17:56.51 | unum | there's that one set up for just that sort of thing |
| 17:57.05 | ^Migs^ | they better give me a major discount for this inconvenience |
| 18:18.03 | dataw0lf | Dell is still alive? I would've thought he'd pull his piece on the wrong person and got himself killed by now |
| 18:18.56 | beandog | just buy all your computers from Walmart |
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| 18:21.39 | findlay | yay |
| 18:22.02 | beandog | huzzah |
| 18:22.04 | findlay | ~dell dataw0lf |
| 18:22.05 | ibot | Dude! dataw0lf's getting a dell! |
| 18:36.23 | beandog | sellout |
| 18:40.21 | herlo | haha |
| 18:43.08 | beandog | I dont suppose anyone knows off the top of their head what ports samba listens on |
| 18:43.14 | beandog | ~firewall |
| 18:43.14 | ibot | firewall is, like, This is a form of Internet security that stands between a private network and the Internet. It is like a wall in that it can prevent unwanted traffic from passing either way. Some firewalls have proxy functions built in. In fact, the distinction between a firewall and a proxy is often blurry. Add in the differences and similarities between a firewall and packet-filtering router and you've got one big ball of confusion. True firewalls ... |
| 18:43.21 | herlo | 446 tcp |
| 18:43.37 | herlo | beandog: we're covering it in class right now |
| 18:43.47 | beandog | herlo, yah? thanks, man |
| 18:43.49 | herlo | in fact, I'm looking at the page with the deatils |
| 18:43.52 | beandog | stupid nfs and its shifting ports. |
| 18:43.54 | herlo | beandog: try this |
| 18:44.07 | herlo | getent services microsoft |
| 18:44.16 | beandog | getent? |
| 18:44.26 | beandog | nada. |
| 18:44.30 | herlo | or this |
| 18:44.35 | herlo | getent services 446 |
| 18:44.37 | nick125 | kicks UPS |
| 18:44.43 | beandog | maybe nfs does stick to one port now. |
| 18:44.47 | herlo | beandog: do you not know getent? |
| 18:44.52 | beandog | herlo, no never used it |
| 18:45.10 | herlo | beandog: there's a way to configure nfs to lock its ports down with rpcbind |
| 18:45.17 | herlo | isn't sure how to do it in gentoo though |
| 18:45.21 | beandog | yah |
| 18:45.24 | herlo | in RH its /etc/sysconfig/nfs |
| 18:45.33 | beandog | last time I did it I remember having to do it in the kernel procline |
| 18:45.40 | beandog | which Im not a fan of |
| 18:45.46 | beandog | Id probably be better off with user auth anyway |
| 18:46.04 | beandog | and since Im running samba anyway, well.. |
| 18:46.15 | herlo | getent stands for getentities. The benefit of using it over 'cat /etc/services | grep' is that if service or password or group definitions are centralized all resources will be revealed and not just the ones on the local server |
| 18:46.32 | herlo | samba is slow! |
| 18:46.45 | beandog | Ive actually found it more reliable than nfs |
| 18:46.52 | beandog | especially when it comes to copying very large files. |
| 18:47.09 | nick125 | I've heard that CIFS is supposed to be better than NFS over unstable links |
| 18:47.12 | herlo | that's because Mr Tridgell did a good job implementing large file support that even winders didn't have |
| 18:47.20 | herlo | nick125: right |
| 18:47.27 | sinuhe | herlO The file system type definition clarified in the manpage are what lock down the ports. /etc/sysconfig/nfs simply refers to them: port= mountport= etc. |
| 18:47.31 | herlo | stability is NFS' weakness... |
| 18:47.36 | sinuhe | s/O/o/ Sigh. |
| 18:47.41 | herlo | sinuhe: I know |
| 18:47.44 | sinuhe | s/O/o/ |
| 18:47.48 | sinuhe | Aargh |
| 18:47.52 | beandog | heh |
| 18:48.05 | herlo | sinuhe: the problem is that there is probably a configuration file in gentoo I don't know about that can do the same things |
| 18:48.08 | beandog | Id get lockups copying huge files on nfs |
| 18:48.24 | beandog | anyway |
| 18:48.30 | beandog | anecdotal evidence. |
| 18:48.31 | sinuhe | I'm going to switch from s/// syntax to s??? syntax. At least that way I can edit beyond the last post, even if ibot doesn't get it. |
| 18:48.37 | nick125 | *cough* /etc/conf.d/nfs *cough* |
| 18:48.44 | herlo | see |
| 18:48.57 | sinuhe | Go go gadget nick125. :-) *cough* |
| 18:49.13 | nick125 | According to the comment in that file, lockd's port is set in /etc/sysctl.conf. |
| 18:49.27 | nick125 | But mountd and statd ports are set in there |
| 18:53.06 | encryptz | no verdict on the hans reiser murder case yet, eh? |
| 18:53.25 | encryptz | 'twould be nice to see the jury reach some sort of decision soon |
| 18:53.29 | sinuhe | That would make sense. I think the ports have to be defined as a daemon option when they load, which would be governed by the rc script that loads the daemon, and whatever file in includes (which it sounds like conf.d is the include directory, in typical sysV *.d verbosity). |
| 18:54.34 | jsmith | encryptz: I'd hate to sit on that jury... "This guy says he didn't do it, but he won't tell us where he put the seat to his car. This guy says he didn't do it, but he admitted to killing eight other people." |
| 18:54.58 | encryptz | yeah |
| 18:55.19 | encryptz | i think the defense has a weak case, playing the whole "geeks don't murder people" thing |
| 18:56.04 | encryptz | shame if he did it, regardless |
| 18:57.03 | sinuhe | s?in in?it in? |
| 18:57.24 | sinuhe | Heh. Why am I not surprised that ibot didn't get that. |
| 18:59.18 | sjansen | s|sinuhe|gnuru| |
| 18:59.51 | encryptz | why hit your shift key when you don't have to? |
| 18:59.52 | sinuhe | The evidence against Reiser seems circumstantial to me, but I think it very possible that he really knew about it, if not did it. I don't think he is entirely innocent. It's proving it that seems to be the problem. |
| 19:01.01 | encryptz | sinuhe: yes. the prosecution has nothing but curcumstantial evidence. "she saw him washing off his driveway 30min later" "we don't know where his passender car seat is" "we can't match the blood to nina or hans", etc etc |
| 19:01.51 | encryptz | on the flip side, the defense is in a worse position, not being able to raise reasonable doubt, especially playing on geek stereotypes |
| 19:02.09 | sinuhe | encryptz: Because the top to bottom single entry search isn't always useful. ??? always makes a clear search from bottom to top, and therefore can apply to previous comments. |
| 19:02.43 | sinuhe | How do you prove someone didn't do something? It's like trying to prove God doesn't exist. |
| 19:03.20 | sjansen | By find the person that did. |
| 19:03.21 | sinuhe | As for sjansen and his |||, I understand that to not be search and replace, but a multiple criteria search and match. |
| 19:03.32 | sinuhe | sjansen: Good point. |
| 19:03.33 | sjansen | sinuhe: It's perl. |
| 19:03.58 | sinuhe | Ah. I never did get into perl regex. It seems to break with "normal" regex tradition. |
| 19:04.10 | sjansen | To the betterment of Perl. |
| 19:04.47 | sjansen | $path =~ s|/etc|/tmp|; # much easier to read |
| 19:05.12 | jsmith | sjansen: Amen! |
| 19:05.35 | sjansen | $haystack =~ m{needle/eye}; # Also helpful. |
| 19:08.21 | sjansen | ~XFS++ |
| 19:08.44 | sjansen | The more I work with XFS, the more thankful I am for it. |
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| 19:22.49 | goozbach | sjansen: what did xfs do this time to impress you? |
| 19:23.37 | sjansen | Oh, the usual, rescued a Gig of space from ext3. |
| 19:25.10 | goozbach | wow |
| 19:25.11 | gshipley | sweet... just got approval for my new development box.. quad core 16gb ram |
| 19:25.45 | goozbach | gshipley: I was just going to brag about my box with 16GB RAM... but now if I do that I'll just be a copycat |
| 19:26.11 | unum | I have a box at home with 16mb ram |
| 19:26.16 | goozbach | mine has Two quad-core CPUs however |
| 19:26.34 | gshipley | goozbach: sweet. I wanted dual proc but it was like an extra 2k |
| 19:26.36 | unum | p90 |
| 19:27.49 | findlay | gshipley: this sounds like a proverbially archaic thing to ask, but why do you need 16 Gib? |
| 19:28.09 | gshipley | findlay: xen virtual machines to setup a jboss cluster |
| 19:28.29 | sjansen | findlay: He's a Java dev. Need we say more? |
| 19:28.37 | findlay | heh |
| 19:29.25 | goozbach | just enabled VT on his CPUs to allow for XEN power |
| 19:29.57 | jsmith | goozbach: Some of us still wish our CPUs had VT (or the equivalent) |
| 19:29.59 | gshipley | I figure with 16gb I can have 8 machines setup to emulate a more prod like environment... seperate vm for db, ldap, etc etc |
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| 19:34.49 | goozbach | these Poweredge 1950 revision III boxes have three internal usb ports |
| 19:35.15 | goozbach | not just jumpers mind you but a block of full-size usb ports sticking up off the motherboard |
| 19:35.25 | goozbach | and plenty of room around that for running cables. |
| 19:35.33 | goozbach | that's pretty interesting. |
| 19:36.24 | unum | ya that is |
| 19:36.34 | unum | perfect to store my secret spy drive in.... |
| 19:37.14 | goozbach | I'm thinking I'm gonna make a 32meg private key to encrypt my hard drives |
| 19:37.24 | goozbach | then stick it on a key plugged in there |
| 19:41.02 | fozzmoo | goozbach: Good for internal flash drives? |
| 19:41.04 | jsmith | goozbach: Sure, just go rubbing it in our faces ;-) |
| 19:41.04 | fozzmoo | yeah. |
| 19:42.23 | beandog | http://code.google.com/soc/2008/gnu/appinfo.html?csaid=E0D9A2E69F7D3637 |
| 19:42.23 | brac | [Google Code - Summer of Code |
| 19:42.24 | brac | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:42.24 | brac | Application Information] |
| 19:42.25 | beandog | rawk on. |
| 19:43.57 | sinuhe | sjansen: Re: XFS. All things SGI I have tended believe were made by a benevolent God to teach us silly mortals the next step in our computer evolution. |
| 19:46.35 | sjansen | beandog: Very nice. But I would have preferred "For my summer of code project, I will finally freaking release GRUB2." |
| 19:46.46 | sinuhe | lol |
| 19:46.59 | sinuhe | The same could be said for E17 stable. |
| 19:47.13 | beandog | Im surprised myth didnt get on there. |
| 19:47.58 | jsmith | sjansen: Amen, brother.... but not GRUB3? |
| 19:48.04 | jsmith | is only kidding |
| 19:48.20 | beandog | whats the big deal with grub2? |
| 19:48.49 | sjansen | GRUB2 has all kinds goodies to drool over, but it isn't officially stable yet, so most distros don't ship it. |
| 19:49.03 | jsmith | Like PXEGRUB! |
| 19:49.10 | jsmith | (or did they take that back out?) |
| 19:49.15 | sjansen | I especially look forward to LVM support. |
| 19:49.48 | beandog | pxe in grub would be nice. |
| 19:49.53 | jsmith | Yeah... we'll see solid LVM support in GRUB about the time E18 gets released ;-) |
| 19:50.06 | sjansen | ~curse jsmith |
| 19:50.07 | ibot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, jsmith ! |
| 19:50.14 | jsmith | Right after I go to Wal-Mart and buy a copy of Duke Nukem Forever |
| 19:50.18 | goozbach | grub2, how I have lusted after thee |
| 19:50.35 | jsmith | goozbach: Not as long as I've lusted after E17 |
| 19:50.45 | goozbach | E17? |
| 19:50.51 | beandog | youre going to walmart? |
| 19:50.56 | jsmith | goozbach: Enlightenment 0.17 |
| 19:51.12 | jsmith | beandog: Sure, just as soon as I can buy a copy of Duke Nukem Forever there ;-) |
| 19:51.21 | jsmith | beandog: (and not a moment sooner!) |
| 19:51.25 | goozbach | bah, windowmanagers are all the same |
| 19:51.28 | goozbach | draw stuff |
| 19:51.34 | goozbach | blah blah blah |
| 19:51.46 | jsmith | goozbach: The same could be said for bootloaders ;-) |
| 19:52.15 | goozbach | I just want to be able to do grub-set-default, reboot, and wa'la! fearless remote kernel upgrade |
| 19:52.57 | goozbach | opensuse is freaking HUGE |
| 19:52.59 | jsmith | goozbach: Well, that *mostly* works these days |
| 19:53.08 | beandog | goozbach, you ever tried kexec? |
| 19:53.31 | beandog | although |
| 19:53.38 | beandog | I guess the grub one would be safer... I agree, that'd be nice. |
| 19:53.42 | sontek | goozbach: openssuse provides a 1 disk install/livecd instead of the dvd |
| 19:54.37 | findlay | heh, CD installs. I update my release-based distros by copying the install image to the hdd and rebooting |
| 19:54.51 | findlay | as for gentoo, well, that's easier :) |
| 19:55.04 | findlay | s/install/installer/ |
| 19:55.21 | beandog | findlay, I hope youre kidding |
| 19:55.27 | findlay | beandog: nope |
| 19:55.29 | sjansen | WTF? NetApps have binaries in /etc? What kinda crack smokin' is that? |
| 19:55.43 | beandog | findlay, you unpack the new stage over your existing root install? (did I read that right?) |
| 19:55.47 | goozbach | sjansen: not done much with NetApps then? |
| 19:55.55 | goozbach | it's some STRONG crack |
| 19:56.00 | sontek | findlay: I do the samething, Iadd the initrd and kernel of the installer into grub and install that way |
| 19:56.02 | findlay | using a CD just to upgrade your distro is at worst a waste of a perfectly good CDR and at worst inelegant |
| 19:56.27 | findlay | sontek: yeah, that's what I meant, except I didn't say it as good as you did |
| 19:56.44 | findlay | s/worst/best/ |
| 19:56.45 | sjansen | s/good/well/ |
| 19:56.49 | findlay | buh |
| 19:57.13 | sjansen | s/buh/dur/ |
| 19:57.21 | sjansen | ;-P |
| 19:59.10 | levi | sjansen: Binaries in /etc/ used to be fairly common, IIRC. |
| 19:59.51 | sjansen | Is nothing sacred? Next you'll be telling my user home dirs were often under /usr/lib |
| 20:01.39 | jsmith | sjansen: No, under /usr/share ;-) |
| 20:02.24 | findlay | and then there were the dark user days of when /home was in /tmp |
| 20:03.48 | levi | No, but they were under /usr, IIRC. |
| 20:04.36 | findlay | well /usr/home does make sense |
| 20:05.08 | levi | There wasn't a 'home', it was just /usr/fred, /usr/bob, etc. |
| 20:05.43 | beandog | what if your name was lib |
| 20:05.48 | beandog | that'd be tricky. |
| 20:06.19 | unum | jsmith: you forgot about using e18 on hurd with the grub that boots lvm |
| 20:06.30 | unum | although grub does support hurd... |
| 20:07.43 | jsmith | unum: Actually, I was hoping to have GRUB2 load a FreeDOS kernel from an LVM partition so that I could load my NE2000 driver and network boot into Netware |
| 20:07.52 | jsmith | unum: But hurd was a good guess ;-) |
| 20:08.10 | beandog | heh |
| 20:08.23 | findlay | jsmith: and then kexec plan9? |
| 20:09.22 | jsmith | findlay: Naw... not until it gets rewritten in Lisp. |
| 20:09.38 | jsmith | findlay: Or Prolog... there was a time I could really grok Prolog. |
| 20:09.57 | jsmith | findlay: In fact, I met my wife in a Prolog class. |
| 20:10.51 | levi | jsmith: Where'd you take a prolog class? |
| 20:10.52 | jsmith | findlay: Would it be too much of a pun to say my Plan9 plans are in limbo? |
| 20:11.01 | levi | *groan* |
| 20:11.10 | jsmith | levi: BYU (the summer between my junior and senior years of high school) |
| 20:11.26 | sinuhe | jsmith: Mmmm...you said Lisp... |
| 20:11.29 | jsmith | levi: forgets(Jared,prolog) |
| 20:11.36 | levi | jsmith: Hey, I went to that too. :) |
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| 20:11.48 | jsmith | levi: Oh? What year? |
| 20:11.52 | levi | 1993 |
| 20:11.58 | findlay | I wish meeting you wife was as easy as a prolog class |
| 20:12.00 | jsmith | Uh... scary! |
| 20:12.06 | jsmith | levi: You probably met my wife then too! |
| 20:12.21 | levi | Possibly. :) There were a lot of people there, though. |
| 20:12.26 | jsmith | levi: You remember the cute girl from Mississippi... with the short haircut? |
| 20:12.40 | jsmith | levi: The one that couldn't bowl worth a darn? |
| 20:12.53 | levi | Nope, doesn't ring a bell. |
| 20:13.05 | jsmith | Lucky for me ;-) |
| 20:13.16 | findlay | jsmith has bells :) |
| 20:13.19 | findlay | hehe |
| 20:13.42 | jsmith | findlay: Yeah... echo ^G^G |
| 20:13.51 | levi | The only person that I remember was there was a cute girl from my previous high school, which surprised me because I didn't know she was the least bit interested in CS. |
| 20:13.56 | findlay | jsmith: was a pun ... |
| 20:14.23 | jsmith | levi: What was her name? |
| 20:14.45 | levi | Elizabeth |
| 20:14.58 | levi | She was blonde, and from Dugway. |
| 20:15.09 | jsmith | Yeah... she was kind of dingy? |
| 20:15.28 | levi | Possibly. :) |
| 20:15.49 | levi | I'm pretty sure she was the only girl from Dugway there, though. |
| 20:16.38 | levi | I came there from Virginia, but I had lived in Dugway the year before. |
| 20:17.01 | findlay | silly girls, they always complicate things |
| 20:19.14 | jsmith | levi: Yeah... |
| 20:19.19 | jsmith | findlay: Exactly! |
| 20:19.25 | jsmith | findlay: That's why we like them so much! |
| 20:22.52 | sjansen | Well lookey there: tar cvf backup.example.com:backup.tar test/ --rsh-command=/usr/bin/ssh |
| 20:27.17 | goozbach | answermethis... why can I not partition a software RAID device in any modern installer? (eg I want to create software RAID1 and then partition it into /boot and /) |
| 20:28.13 | unum | because you shouldn't be using software raid? |
| 20:28.18 | sinuhe | goozbach: LVM? Or is that your point? |
| 20:28.20 | jsmith | goozbach: WORKSFORME in Fedora 9 Preview, and CentOS 5.1 |
| 20:28.27 | sontek | can you not do that in openSUSE's installer? |
| 20:28.37 | sontek | I swear you could... but haven't did software raid in awhile |
| 20:29.23 | sjansen | Does _anybody_ still use dump for backups? Or anything else? |
| 20:30.32 | sjansen | goozbach: Uhmmm... to what end? |
| 20:30.32 | Tene | sjansen: does tcpdump count? |
| 20:31.33 | jsmith | sjansen: Does dd piped to nc count? |
| 20:32.42 | sjansen | Interesting: http://dump.sourceforge.net/isdumpdeprecated.html |
| 20:32.43 | brac | [Is dump deprecated?] |
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| 20:35.08 | lakshmi | hi |
| 20:37.02 | goozbach | sjansen: I'd like to have software raid1 on both full disks |
| 20:37.10 | goozbach | then partition the raid device in two |
| 20:37.22 | goozbach | one for /boot, and the remainder for an LVM PV |
| 20:37.41 | goozbach | then set everything up in LVM |
| 20:38.07 | goozbach | haven't tried in Fedora 9, but it doesn't work in Cent 5.1 |
| 20:39.39 | sjansen | Yeah, but your BIOS doesn't understand software RAID. Neither does GRUB. You can abuse the fact that RAID1 is a mirror copy and use only one copy for /boot, but that actually make recovery more difficult. |
| 20:40.14 | goozbach | sjansen: I still use dump for backups |
| 20:40.36 | unum | I us pg_dump for back ups |
| 20:40.37 | beandog | just boot ro |
| 20:40.40 | unum | that reminds me |
| 20:40.44 | unum | checks his backups |
| 20:40.51 | sinuhe | I don't think I've ever used dump/restore, outside of lecture examples. |
| 20:43.23 | Tene | goozbach: why not just make two raid partitions? |
| 20:43.29 | unum | is it likely that I'll have a 2gb file limit in linux? |
| 20:43.43 | unum | I should start piping them to bzip |
| 20:44.16 | Tene | unum: not unless you're writing to a fat32 filesystem |
| 20:44.31 | unum | Tene: is there a limit? |
| 20:45.44 | sontek | anyone have a dell latitude c640 power adapter just laying around? we just found one in our network closet, want to see if it works :P |
| 20:47.47 | jsmith | sontek: No, but I've got one of those multifangled handy-dandy all-in-one third-party expensive-as-sin power adapters. |
| 20:47.53 | jsmith | sontek: (with a Dell tip) |
| 20:48.13 | sontek | It isn't a round tip like current dells, its a weird square |
| 20:48.36 | jsmith | sontek: I think I have one of those tips too... only I'm in Virginia, and I'll bet you're not |
| 20:48.53 | dmdavis | jsmith: where are you in VA? |
| 20:49.21 | sontek | jsmith: you should come visit all your old friends in UT, and bring it with you :) |
| 20:50.02 | goozbach | sontek: you should make a trip to visit your friends elsewhere |
| 20:50.23 | goozbach | herlo, jsmith, emcnabb, and I had a lot of fun at Fudcon. |
| 20:50.56 | herlo | goozbach: we're doing it again in June! |
| 20:51.14 | emcnabb | yup |
| 20:52.28 | sontek | goozbach: but I'm not a FUDer! i'm a SUDer |
| 20:52.42 | jsmith | dmdavis: Between Washington D.C. and Richmond, about ten miles outside of Fredericksburg |
| 20:53.02 | dmdavis | jsmith: just wondering, cuz I'm moving out to VA in August. going to grad school at UVa |
| 20:53.31 | goozbach | June, huh? |
| 20:53.34 | goozbach | Raliegh? |
| 20:53.34 | dmdavis | know any realtors in the Charlottesville area? :) |
| 20:53.53 | herlo | goozbach: its in Boston |
| 20:54.10 | herlo | http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A%2F%2Ffedoraproject.org%2Fwiki%2FFUDCon%2FFUDConF10&ei=66EPSJ6aLafqeY7C5ckJ&usg=AFQjCNF0HjsbvqRq1RK3k0HcNsMcNo798A&sig2=vGgNAuKUXER8T7urotxeoQ |
| 20:54.14 | herlo | oops |
| 20:54.16 | levi | I'm jealous. I'd like to visit Charlottesville again. |
| 20:54.23 | herlo | http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon/FUDConF10 |
| 20:54.31 | dmdavis | levi: well, once I have a house there, you're welcome to stay any time |
| 20:54.39 | herlo | VA is where its at, except for Utah, of course :) |
| 20:54.54 | jsmith | goozbach: Boston |
| 20:55.01 | jsmith | dmdavis: UVa rocks! |
| 20:55.12 | goozbach | can't make it to boston |
| 20:55.13 | dmdavis | jsmith: :) I'm very excited about it |
| 20:55.15 | levi | dmdavis: My other friends there would kill me if I didn't stay with them. :) |
| 20:55.18 | goozbach | though that would be fun |
| 20:55.19 | jsmith | goozbach: Why not? |
| 20:55.32 | dmdavis | levi: :) I understand |
| 20:55.35 | herlo | goozbach: fly! |
| 20:55.38 | goozbach | I've already got all my time off lined up with other priorties |
| 20:56.14 | goozbach | that, and I won't have paid off Uncle Sam until late July |
| 20:56.46 | herlo | goozbach: you shouldn't get into debt with that uncle for sure... |
| 20:57.23 | jsmith | goozbach: Uncle Sam? You're still not paying for that ticket, are you? |
| 20:57.40 | jsmith | goozbach: They won't let you travel out of state until you've paid it off? |
| 20:57.42 | jsmith | ducks |
| 20:59.09 | herlo | laughs! |
| 20:59.28 | goozbach | jsmith: no, it's just that I was a 1099 employee for half of last year... and Guess who didn't pay his quarterly estimates... |
| 21:00.02 | sontek | goozbach: don't worry about it! They'll just take it out of next years! |
| 21:00.06 | sontek | speaks from experience |
| 21:00.42 | goozbach | I'm flying to utah in August and perhaps somewhere tropical in September |
| 21:02.06 | jsmith | goozbach: That's OK... I was a regular employee all year long, but one of my employers didn't withhold any payroll taxes (and I didn't notice) |
| 21:03.42 | sjansen | yikes |
| 21:03.52 | jsmith | yikes is right... |
| 21:04.20 | beandog | rawr, stupid samba. |
| 21:04.43 | sjansen | Hello Mr JSmith, this is the Federal Government. We'll be coming by April 16th to take away your HD television. We recommend that you not resist. |
| 21:04.44 | jsmith | sjansen: No kidding... There went my savings account, and my rainy day fund, and my new deck |
| 21:05.19 | dmdavis | pictures the white house with a tiny (relatively) new deck stuck on the back |
| 21:05.54 | sjansen | Perhaps now is a good time to mention how much I love gnucash. |
| 21:06.12 | jsmith | dmdavis: Tan house, no deck on the back :-( |
| 21:06.29 | sjansen | jsmith: s/white house/White House/ |
| 21:06.38 | emcnabb | ~lart sjansen |
| 21:06.38 | ibot | raises middle finger to sjansen |
| 21:06.43 | emcnabb | there we go ibot |
| 21:06.47 | sjansen | ~travolta emcnabb |
| 21:06.48 | ibot | ACTION replaces emcnabb with several craters in a multi-colored display of superior fire power |
| 21:06.54 | sjansen | ~botsnack |
| 21:06.54 | ibot | :), sjansen |
| 21:06.55 | beandog | heh |
| 21:06.59 | unum | needs to budget |
| 21:07.04 | sjansen | ibot likes me more. |
| 21:07.05 | ibot | ACTION runs and gives me more. a big bear-hug. |
| 21:07.18 | markl_ | macnewbold: testing 1, 2, 3 |
| 21:07.23 | emcnabb | I have every transaction I've made over the last 4 years in gnucash |
| 21:07.26 | unum | I stayed out of debt during college, and then I start a full time professional job |
| 21:07.26 | emcnabb | very handy to have |
| 21:07.38 | unum | and everyone started handing me credit |
| 21:07.45 | unum | I thought I could be responsible |
| 21:07.48 | unum | I've learned better |
| 21:07.49 | sjansen | unum: Start simple. Use gnucash to track stuff first, then when you've got the habit budgeting is easier. (Especially since you don't have to make up numbers and hope they're realistic.) |
| 21:08.09 | unum | ya seeing where my cash is going would probably help me |
| 21:08.23 | markl_ | the simple rule (which i also learned the hard way): if you don't have the money, don't buy it |
| 21:08.42 | unum | markl_: but sooooo may people will give me the money |
| 21:08.43 | sjansen | emcnabb: Show off. I only have ~3.75 years of transactions. |
| 21:08.51 | markl_ | unum: yeah it is sick isn't it |
| 21:08.56 | emcnabb | ~shame sjansen |
| 21:08.56 | ibot | Shame on you sjansen! |
| 21:09.00 | unum | actually today my problem was I hadn't saved for a rainy day |
| 21:09.02 | unum | and then one came |
| 21:09.20 | unum | fortunatly I was close to where I needed to be and I can pay it off in two days |
| 21:09.49 | unum | did any of you happen to see me last night on the freeway with my blown out tire? |
| 21:10.02 | markl_ | doh, which freeway |
| 21:10.19 | unum | I15 just north of salt lake |
| 21:10.30 | unum | right across from the reagan advertising building |
| 21:10.39 | sjansen | unum: I was in the BMW that pulled over just ahead of you, backed up, spun my tires to cover you in gravel, than took off again. ;-) |
| 21:11.00 | unum | sjansen: I was wondering who that was |
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| 21:11.15 | unum | the best part of the story is that I carry two jacks and no tire iron |
| 21:11.24 | elg | ~lart vontrapp |
| 21:11.24 | ibot | beats vontrapp severely about the head and shoulders with a rubber chicken |
| 21:11.25 | jsmith | sjansen: Three-series? Five series? The new one-series? |
| 21:11.29 | ^Migs^ | http://www.vosgeschocolate.com/product/bacon_exotic_candy_bar/exotic_candy_bars |
| 21:12.48 | sjansen | jsmith: Actually, 95 Camry with a rusting roof and missing hub cap. I'm too cheap to buy another car until it hits 200,000 or starts needing major repairs. |
| 21:13.59 | unum | plans to drive his malibu into the ground |
| 21:14.09 | unum | just like the tires |
| 21:14.12 | elg | my honda has started showing age |
| 21:14.16 | ^Migs^ | ~seen atoponce |
| 21:14.20 | ibot | atoponce <n=aaron@ubuntu/member/pdpc.supporter.bronze.atoponce> was last seen on IRC in channel #ubuntu-us-ut, 26d 23h 28m 31s ago, saying: ':)'. |
| 21:14.23 | elg | something's wrong with the muffler. now it sounds ghetto |
| 21:14.34 | elg | if anyone asks, I'm a rier |
| 21:14.37 | elg | ricer even |
| 21:14.45 | sjansen | ^Migs^: atoponce is encryptz |
| 21:14.50 | elg | and the slow oil leak is gaining speed |
| 21:14.52 | dmdavis | my wife refuses to drive my honda because it's purple, rusty, '93, and has a headlight hanging out by the wires :) |
| 21:14.58 | ^Migs^ | oh I see. He's in ninja mode. |
| 21:15.13 | elg | mine is '91, I win |
| 21:15.20 | elg | no hanging headline |
| 21:15.21 | dmdavis | how many miles? |
| 21:15.24 | elg | headlight even |
| 21:15.27 | elg | lots |
| 21:15.40 | elg | alas I don't remember right now |
| 21:15.47 | sjansen | ~159,650 miles |
| 21:15.48 | elg | it was 220k or something when we bought it |
| 21:15.56 | ^Migs^ | whoa |
| 21:15.59 | dmdavis | bows to your more impressively crappy car |
| 21:16.02 | sjansen | ~award elg |
| 21:16.05 | dmdavis | mine has about 190k |
| 21:16.09 | sjansen | ~win elg |
| 21:16.10 | ibot | Congratulations, elg! You have won the US presidency! |
| 21:16.11 | ^Migs^ | why would you buy a car with 220k on it? |
| 21:16.13 | elg | mine is less rusty |
| 21:16.18 | elg | a little, but mostly not rusty |
| 21:16.24 | ^Migs^ | oh, it's a honda |
| 21:16.25 | dmdavis | I think. someone stole my spedometer cluster, had to get a new one |
| 21:16.30 | ^Migs^ | nm. Those things last forever. |
| 21:16.32 | elg | because it's in good shape, a honda, and affordable |
| 21:16.35 | unum | mine has 42,000 |
| 21:16.52 | ^Migs^ | I bet if I still had my 1985 Honda Accord, it'd still be running |
| 21:17.00 | elg | well it was in good shape. still not too bad, but like I said, starting to show its age |
| 21:17.52 | elg | the stolen radio, complete with dangling wires, does add to the ghetto effect a bit |
| 21:18.02 | dmdavis | very nice |
| 21:18.39 | ^Migs^ | does it have gold rims? |
| 21:18.54 | elg | no, but a hubcap came off a few weeks back and rolled down the street |
| 21:18.56 | elg | that was awesome |
| 21:19.03 | elg | thank goodness too, it was rattling like crazy |
| 21:19.53 | jsmith | sjansen: That's OK... my truck has ~220k on it |
| 21:21.01 | encryptz | ^Migs^: what's up? |
| 21:21.13 | elg | here's a few poor pics http://foton.fugal.net/album/71 |
| 21:21.20 | elg | from like 1.5 years ago |
| 21:22.11 | ^Migs^ | just thought about you, for some reason |
| 21:22.34 | ^Migs^ | probably because I just had someone yell at me about my siet |
| 21:22.36 | ^Migs^ | *site |
| 21:22.48 | encryptz | heh |
| 21:22.52 | encryptz | i didn't yell |
| 21:23.01 | ^Migs^ | haha I know |
| 21:23.04 | encryptz | ã |
| 21:23.18 | encryptz | i'm glad you're responsive, though |
| 21:23.39 | encryptz | i send many an email to web devs asking for fixes, like 103jack.com, and never hear a thing |
| 21:23.40 | ^Migs^ | well, I try |
| 21:23.56 | encryptz | so, thank you |
| 21:24.07 | ^Migs^ | no no, thank you, for c&cing web sites |
| 21:24.13 | elg | yeah. i would probably never have known ataponce == encryptz otherwise |
| 21:24.19 | ^Migs^ | I wish people would do more of that |
| 21:24.26 | ^Migs^ | regardless of how much I complain about it |
| 21:25.08 | sjansen | elg: How'd you get your car to blend into the background so well in the fourth picture? Adaptive fiber optics? Electro-luminescence? Strong magnetic fields? |
| 21:25.26 | elg | effective use of shading |
| 21:26.00 | elg | see, the camera casing is shading the lense so that the car isn't in the picture |
| 21:26.40 | elg | that's not an album about my car of course. if it was, I'd have pictures that were at least somewhat about my car |
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| 21:29.12 | sjansen | I found your photos were compelling. The in-your-face rawness of the composition evoked challenged me to consider my position in space. The way you seemed to approach the car without actually reaching spoke to the sense of yearning we all feel on realizing how alone we are in the universe, even when next to one another. |
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| 21:31.34 | unum | wonders if ibot says booooo when he joins |
| 21:31.37 | Sargun | uh |
| 21:31.50 | Sargun | unum, kick him? |
| 21:32.22 | unum | good idea |
| 21:32.27 | unum | kicks ibot |
| 21:32.30 | unum | that felt good |
| 21:32.38 | sjansen | ~punch unum |
| 21:32.39 | ibot | ACTION lets fly with a wild haymaker which catches unum right on the nose |
| 21:32.55 | unum | so has anyone here ever written an always running perl script? |
| 21:33.11 | Tene | unum: I've done a few irc bots. |
| 21:33.14 | elg | as in it runs all the time or as in it never dies? |
| 21:33.17 | Tene | ibot: ibot |
| 21:33.18 | ibot | ibot is, like, an infobot written in perl, run by TimRiker. logs on http://ibot.rikers.org/<chan>/ , ibot, jbot, apt are all the same process. It uses sqlite, but mysql or other SQL storage is also supported. |
| 21:33.28 | unum | well I need to parse a log file.... |
| 21:33.36 | unum | well a set of log files |
| 21:33.37 | elg | congratulations |
| 21:33.57 | unum | that are constantly being updated |
| 21:34.11 | Tene | tail -f | perl ? |
| 21:34.19 | beandog | lol |
| 21:34.37 | unum | when a log file gets a certain size the program creates a new file |
| 21:34.45 | elg | i once wrote a log distiller. didn't mature, but the idea I like. I'd probably rewrite it rather than pick up where I left off |
| 21:34.46 | unum | so I need to detect when the new file is created |
| 21:34.49 | elg | ruby, not perl. http://hans.fugal.net/src/clog/ |
| 21:35.09 | elg | unum: why? |
| 21:35.16 | elg | why not tail -F | perl mycooldistiller |
| 21:37.25 | unum | I don't know that -F will work |
| 21:37.34 | unum | I think the program creates a new file each time |
| 21:37.58 | unum | so following the old one won't help me |
| 21:38.20 | elg | so how do you know where to find the next one? |
| 21:38.38 | unum | the file name is based off of the time |
| 21:38.56 | unum | and date |
| 21:39.08 | elg | so you look for a different file every second? |
| 21:39.10 | unum | so I just need to look for files that are newer than the one I'm looking at |
| 21:39.26 | unum | well that's what I'm trying to figure out |
| 21:39.48 | unum | right now I run the program every five minutes and it looks for all new files created since I last ran the program |
| 21:40.24 | unum | I keep track of the last file and line I looked at in a table in my database |
| 21:41.39 | unum | if I decide to keep the program running all of the time I'm not sure how to check for changes |
| 21:42.00 | unum | and new files |
| 21:42.20 | unum | I thought I could tell it to sleep for ten seconds |
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| 21:42.35 | unum | and then check for new lines to the file and if there weren't any, check for a new file |
| 21:44.04 | tristanbob_ | what is the name of the online service that stores your passwords? |
| 21:44.36 | bonez44 | keyring? |
| 21:45.50 | Tene | unum: inotify |
| 21:45.56 | tristanbob_ | bonez44, nope, some web 2.0 site |
| 21:46.23 | bonez44 | sorry |
| 21:47.05 | unum | Tene: wow that would be nice to use for this |
| 21:47.47 | unum | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:48.58 | unum | dnotify might work for my purposes |
| 21:49.19 | sjansen | unum: Use the source, Luke. (Check how tail does it.) |
| 21:50.00 | sjansen | unum: Oh, yes, Tene is right. Checkout inotify too. |
| 21:52.12 | unum | ya that looks like a really good idea |
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| 22:04.09 | unum | how do I check to see if an a package is installed on redhat |
| 22:04.21 | goozbach | rpm -q <pakagename> |
| 22:04.27 | unum | thanks |
| 22:16.16 | bonez44 | scottj? wow...that's my name too |
| 22:17.34 | macnewbold | markl_: I am still alive - I've been away from my desk all day |
| 22:18.55 | bonez44 | hey mac....how goes it? |
| 22:22.34 | bonez44 | back soon |
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| 23:23.18 | bbeattie | for you mysql query gurus.. if you have a table with cols A B C, where you have multiple rows where A and B are the same but C is different. How do you update all A's to from rows where C's value matches "test"? I've tried "update table mytable as m1 set A = ( select A,B from mytable where C = "test" ) as m2 where m1.B = m2.B" but obviously this won't work since you can't select A and B into a set A =. |
| 23:30.15 | tensai | anybody recommend a usb bluetooth adapter? |
| 23:38.59 | Supaplex | just one for me ;) |
| 23:57.57 | sjansen | tensai: Ping me later tonight. I've got one I used with my old laptop, but I don't have it with me now. |