| 00:00.48 | elg | ~rlart |
| 00:00.49 | ibot | pours hot grits down the front of Zelut's pants |
| 00:05.54 | Tene | http://www.enlightenment.org/p.php?p=news/show&l=en&news_id=10 -- 1.0 release of eet. |
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| 00:21.57 | elg | Eet? |
| 00:25.18 | elg | ~lart vontrapp |
| 00:25.19 | ibot | puts vontrapp through a wood chipper |
| 00:32.03 | sinuhe | Tene: What would be nice is an actual release of E17. |
| 00:36.10 | elg | so what is eet? |
| 00:53.11 | Tene | sinuhe: it's coming. |
| 00:53.55 | Tene | elg: data encoding/storage library. |
| 00:54.17 | Tene | elg: http://enlightenment.org/p.php?p=about/efl/eet&l=en |
| 00:56.56 | Supaplex | my stomach is soooooo satisfied right now |
| 01:07.01 | keldwud | woot! |
| 01:07.05 | keldwud | be VIGILANT! |
| 01:07.19 | keldwud | yay for me beating Beneath a Steel Sky |
| 01:07.47 | keldwud | now, to finish Flight of the Amazon Queen |
| 01:09.28 | Tene | sinuhe: I've been using e17 daily for 2-3 years now, fwiw. |
| 01:10.17 | Supaplex | sup keldwud |
| 01:10.44 | Supaplex | keldwud: did you look at your onjoin url I set on ibot? |
| 01:25.56 | levi | Hmm, my eyesight in my right eye is pretty poor. I wonder if a new prescription will help, or if I'd need rigid contacts to fix it. |
| 01:27.55 | keldwud | heya Supaplex |
| 01:28.03 | keldwud | send it again |
| 01:28.09 | keldwud | oh wait |
| 01:28.11 | keldwud | hmm |
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| 01:28.31 | keldwud | discovery channel eh? |
| 01:29.44 | keldwud | okay |
| 01:29.46 | keldwud | damn |
| 01:29.58 | keldwud | firefox completely locked up my syste |
| 01:30.04 | keldwud | wtf is wrong with that program anyway? |
| 01:30.09 | keldwud | why do people use it? |
| 01:30.30 | keldwud | you should see how many kills I have in my bash buffer dedicated to firefox |
| 01:30.42 | keldwud | it is more annoying than IE6 |
| 01:31.06 | keldwud | I couldn't even type into my IRC while it had my resources locked up. |
| 01:32.20 | Tene | keldwud: what version of the kernel are you using, btw? |
| 01:39.51 | keldwud | umm |
| 01:39.56 | keldwud | whatever came with my computer |
| 01:40.51 | keldwud | Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1.9) Gecko/20071025 Firefox/2.0.0.9 |
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| 01:59.26 | keldwud | dude, it is so easy to turn me EEE upside down :) |
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| 03:27.17 | nix_chix0r | ibot, huh |
| 03:27.20 | ibot | Welcome to ICQ. |
| 03:27.31 | nix_chix0r | icq??? |
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| 03:55.59 | findlay | ~icq nix_chix0r |
| 03:56.12 | nix_chix0r | huh |
| 03:56.19 | findlay | ~huh |
| 03:56.19 | ibot | Welcome to ICQ. |
| 03:56.24 | findlay | ~icq |
| 03:56.25 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, icq is http://www.lintux.cx/bitlbee.html for a IRC to other chat networks gatewayask me about 'messenging' for generic messenger programs |
| 03:56.30 | brac | [lintux.cx] |
| 03:56.31 | findlay | -chat icq |
| 03:56.31 | brac | icq went |
| 03:56.57 | levi | -chat findlay |
| 03:56.58 | brac | findlay had a delivery come before speed. |
| 03:57.10 | findlay | yay |
| 04:00.55 | findlay | -chat levi |
| 04:00.55 | brac | levi did |
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| 04:42.34 | findlay | ~dict expedient |
| 04:50.49 | findlay | ~dict precience |
| 04:50.54 | findlay | ~dict ibot |
| 05:22.10 | Supaplex | agggg |
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| 05:47.55 | sargun_screen | heya |
| 05:48.24 | sargun_screen | Everyone, choose your favorite pairs of numbers where each element of the pair is within the range (20, 50) |
| 05:50.08 | lakshmi | 13 |
| 05:51.30 | sargun_screen | and |
| 05:51.34 | sargun_screen | wait, that's not in the range |
| 05:52.17 | lakshmi | 20 |
| 05:56.27 | lakshmi | better sargun_screen ? |
| 06:01.06 | sargun_screen | uh |
| 06:01.12 | sargun_screen | (20 is not inclusive of 20 |
| 06:01.46 | lakshmi | your killing all my favorate numbers |
| 06:01.52 | lakshmi | flips you a sign |
| 06:03.14 | sargun_screen | uh |
| 06:03.15 | sargun_screen | a sign? |
| 06:04.29 | lakshmi | sargun_screen yes a special sign |
| 06:04.33 | lakshmi | just for you |
| 07:55.01 | levi | Man, if I hadn't figured out how to do printf-style debugging in Haskell, I'd be totally screwed. |
| 08:33.36 | tensai | ~printf levi |
| 08:33.37 | ibot | ACTION sticks levi into tensai |
| 08:33.50 | tensai | uh, ok... |
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| 08:43.51 | Sargun | heya all |
| 08:43.53 | Sargun | what's up |
| 08:44.15 | lakshmi | shhhhh no one talk to sargun! :P |
| 08:44.27 | Sargun | uh, what should I name my network? |
| 08:44.37 | lakshmi | lakshmi |
| 08:44.51 | lakshmi | the bestest/ |
| 08:44.57 | lakshmi | w>m |
| 08:44.59 | levi | imhskal |
| 08:45.12 | lakshmi | im HS kal |
| 08:45.16 | lakshmi | hah |
| 08:45.24 | Sargun | hehe |
| 08:45.30 | Sargun | levi, you're awake? |
| 08:45.39 | Sargun | People your age can stay awake this late? |
| 08:45.42 | Sargun | ;-P |
| 08:45.50 | lakshmi | levi your old?! |
| 08:46.09 | Sargun | lakshmi, it was a joke. |
| 08:46.40 | lakshmi | how old is levi ? |
| 08:50.47 | lakshmi | levi how old are you? |
| 09:02.41 | levi | I'm in my early 30s. :P |
| 09:04.19 | levi | Sargun: The combination of the end of the semester, full-time work, and kids that don't always sleep through the night means you get used to sleep deprivation. |
| 09:19.08 | levi | And now I'm going to sleep. |
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| 12:14.04 | Supaplex | *yawn* |
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| 13:29.22 | sjansen | findlay: http://www.glom.org/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page |
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| 14:26.29 | elg | kicks a hackey sack around |
| 14:29.00 | sargun_screen | heya elg. |
| 14:29.30 | elg | there, i celbrated earth day |
| 14:29.36 | sargun_screen | Excellent. |
| 14:30.00 | sargun_screen | I celebrated earth day by walking to work rather than taking the free bus. |
| 14:30.25 | elg | so the bus emitted more waste because you didn't avail yourself |
| 14:30.37 | sargun_screen | Of course. |
| 14:30.46 | elg | then bus numbers will be down, and routes canceled |
| 14:30.52 | elg | and people like you will have to drive |
| 14:30.56 | elg | nice way to ruin the planet |
| 14:31.24 | sargun_screen | Thanks ;-) |
| 14:31.32 | elg | a hackey sack is so much more earth friendly |
| 14:31.40 | elg | unless you play on the lawn with kleets, of course |
| 14:32.15 | sargun_screen | Do not hack the sack. -_- |
| 14:33.00 | sargun_screen | The sack is wirtten in a compiled language, and the binaries are signed. |
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| 14:56.58 | elg | ~rlart |
| 14:56.59 | ibot | stuffs undertakingyou into a shiny new tin can and vacuum seals it |
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| 14:58.32 | ^Migs^ | I ordered some servers from Dell last February, and they haven't come yet. In fact, they can't find our PO, and the guy who submitted the PO isn't returning my calls or answering my emails. |
| 14:58.43 | ^Migs^ | does Dell have a bad reputation I'm unaware of? |
| 15:02.39 | undertakingyou | ^Migs^: I have had my issues with dell. |
| 15:02.59 | gshipley | ^Migs^: I requested a quote from Dell two weeks ago and still have not heard back... :) Granted, its only been two weeks and not months like you |
| 15:04.48 | goozbach | wow, I've never had an issue like that |
| 15:04.50 | ^Migs^ | I'm disappointed. I like their servers, but this isn't worth it |
| 15:05.06 | goozbach | every time I purchace something from dell I can't get them to leave me alone |
| 15:05.18 | ^Migs^ | maybe it's just a case of a rogue sales rep |
| 15:05.27 | goozbach | I went from quote to racked in 10 days |
| 15:05.28 | ^Migs^ | a rep who doesn't play by the rules |
| 15:05.34 | goozbach | on the last batch |
| 15:06.01 | gshipley | goozbach: mind sending me the email of the person you got a quote from? The guy we have been working with sucks |
| 15:06.11 | ^Migs^ | yeah, who's this guy? |
| 15:06.37 | ^Migs^ | I'm escalating this to upper management. Maybe we can get this guy fired. |
| 15:06.53 | gshipley | I have been working with a guy name "Jacob Adams" |
| 15:07.56 | goozbach | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:08.00 | ^Migs^ | our guy is named Joshua Gossett |
| 15:08.04 | ^Migs^ | ah |
| 15:08.13 | ^Migs^ | fine, Mr. 2good4u |
| 15:08.33 | ^Migs^ | actually, nm. I'm going to complain to this guy's manager |
| 15:08.46 | ^Migs^ | things'll get done that way. If they don't, I'm taking this straight to the top. |
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| 15:10.41 | keldwud | I could have sworn that the command was 'aptget' |
| 15:10.46 | keldwud | what am I forgetting? |
| 15:11.05 | goozbach | keldwud: apt-get |
| 15:11.09 | goozbach | apt-get install foo |
| 15:11.17 | keldwud | doh. thanks :) |
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| 15:11.49 | keldwud | sudos his way to nethack |
| 15:12.06 | keldwud | woohoo |
| 15:12.07 | keldwud | :) |
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| 15:12.58 | elg | more pulseaudio fail |
| 15:13.00 | elg | snickers |
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| 15:23.07 | sontek | pulse audio is awesome, but is a failure on hidef/surround sound right now |
| 15:23.18 | sontek | I had to switch back to alsa on my mediabox |
| 15:24.03 | Tene | Yay, my laptop has left HK! |
| 15:25.08 | elg | why is it awesome? I fail to see how it is a failure knockoff of dead technology |
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| 15:31.52 | sontek | elg: I use it to stream audio from my laptop to my server with nice speakers on it so I can have good audio while using my lappy |
| 15:32.01 | sontek | elg: that, in my opinion, is awesome =) |
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| 15:34.01 | elg | http://netjack.sourceforge.net/ |
| 15:34.02 | brac | [netJack] |
| 15:34.12 | elg | but i agree, definitely an awesome thing to do |
| 15:38.00 | sontek | yeah, other than that, I think all its awesomeness is on the developers side |
| 15:38.20 | sontek | I haven't tried to integrate with it myself, but from what I've heard, its API is much nicer to integrate with |
| 15:41.36 | elg | than what? |
| 15:44.15 | beandog | toast |
| 15:44.33 | Tene | I've found it useful to have separate volume controls for each application using audio. |
| 15:44.39 | sontek | esd, arts, and alsa |
| 15:45.21 | sontek | so rather than interfacing with any of those, just interface with pulse and it'll handle the rest |
| 15:48.53 | elg | esd and arts are the evil predecessors of pulse |
| 15:49.14 | elg | alsa is a bit of a pain, I'll agree |
| 15:49.23 | elg | jack is very nice to program for |
| 15:49.46 | elg | and better than pulse in every high brow way |
| 15:49.58 | elg | everything cool you can do in pulse, could be done better in jack |
| 15:50.15 | elg | but I am not familiar with pulse' api, so I can't comment on comparing them |
| 15:50.44 | Tene | elg: so why do I now have pulse support on my desktop shortly after I heard of pulse, when jack has been around for a decent while and very little supports it? |
| 15:50.46 | elg | looking at their page, though, I got the impression it was like esd but "better" |
| 15:51.05 | elg | Tene: because pulse is really esd in sheep's clothing |
| 15:51.29 | elg | so why didn't esd take over the world? why does esd suck? |
| 15:51.48 | elg | my legitimate question is how can pulse possibly be any better than esd when you strip away the hype |
| 15:51.52 | Tene | I would enjoy being persuaded of how awesome jack is. I like good software. |
| 15:52.08 | Tene | What do you find bad about pulse? |
| 15:52.36 | elg | it's a new implementation of a broken paradigm |
| 15:52.43 | Tene | What's broken about it? |
| 15:52.53 | elg | sound servers are a hack |
| 15:53.14 | elg | to get around poor decisions made by linux kernel devs. decisions that have been remedied in the meantime and the hacks are no longer necessary |
| 15:53.42 | elg | for doing cool things, we have jack which was designed by serious audio people who understand the issues and produce quality software |
| 15:54.38 | elg | just when the linux general software world is beginning to catch up with writing audio the right way (it's not necessarily harder either) |
| 15:56.04 | elg | some upstart "esd but better" comes along and steals mindshare. it's as if flash was finally dying in favor of svg, then someone comes up with a "flash but better" plugin |
| 15:56.28 | elg | although it's a poor analogy, it was on my mind from reading plug ;-) |
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| 15:57.32 | elg | and that's all the bile I can spare for pulse today |
| 15:57.59 | sontek | I don't do enough audio to know which is better, but the powers that be say Pulse is the way to go ;P |
| 15:58.10 | elg | well that's just it |
| 15:58.16 | elg | who are the powers that be? |
| 15:58.22 | elg | do they know anything about audio? |
| 15:59.16 | sontek | I think most users trust that they do |
| 15:59.20 | elg | from where I sit, pulse is definitely shaping up to be a worse is better situation |
| 15:59.56 | elg | Tene: as for jack, I'd be happy to elaborate on what makes it awesome sometime |
| 16:00.05 | sontek | could you read up on pulse more and write up a detailed blog about why its bad? I've only heard good things about it, I'd love to see the other side of the story |
| 16:00.06 | elg | it'd help to know what matters to you |
| 16:00.14 | elg | yes, I plan to do that after the semester |
| 16:00.19 | elg | 3 weeks |
| 16:01.00 | elg | maybe when I take a closer look I'll change my tune, in which case I'd recommend a facelift on their introductory content so other audio devs like myself don't get the wrong idea in the future |
| 16:01.11 | JoshH | i haven't had any issues with pulse, on hardy 64 bit, but all i do with it is listen to music, watch youtube, and use mplayer. i'm no audio expert by any means |
| 16:01.21 | JoshH | no crashes or problems of any kind though |
| 16:01.49 | elg | JoshH: but why use pulse at all then? you can listen to music, watch youtube, and use mplayer without a sound daemon |
| 16:02.22 | JoshH | the only reason is so i don't have to stop my background music to watch a quick video on youtube or cnn or something |
| 16:02.37 | elg | and if you don't run pulse you have to? |
| 16:02.53 | JoshH | i'd have to use something else like it, afaik |
| 16:03.06 | JoshH | like esd or something |
| 16:03.13 | elg | but in actual experience, have you had that problem (recently)? |
| 16:03.57 | JoshH | nope |
| 16:04.05 | elg | i venture that you wouldn't |
| 16:04.24 | elg | everyone assumes they need a sound daemon, because you used to need one for crappy sound cards to listen to more than one thing at once |
| 16:04.39 | Tene | elg: I have it often on my laptop, actually, but never have on my desktop. |
| 16:04.39 | elg | decent sound cards (starting at $30) don't have the problem |
| 16:04.50 | Tene | I've never had that problem on any system other than my laptop. |
| 16:05.10 | elg | recent (as in the past 1-2 years or so, I don't remember precisely) versions of alsa (aka the kernel) |
| 16:05.16 | JoshH | i just have the onboard intel 82801I. if my apps are set to use the alsa output plugin, i can only have one sound at a time. |
| 16:05.18 | elg | have dmix enabled by default |
| 16:05.34 | elg | so that mixing happens in software for all alsa (and oss using oss emulation from alsa) |
| 16:05.44 | elg | so your alsa setup is broken |
| 16:06.02 | elg | and your distro, instead of not breaking alsa, throws in an evil sound server |
| 16:06.06 | JoshH | it could be, but i'm too lazy to look into it since i don't have pulse problems :P |
| 16:06.10 | elg | right |
| 16:06.21 | elg | it's not your fault |
| 16:06.41 | elg | just to be clear, I don't get mad at people using pulse consciously for whatever reason is important to them |
| 16:06.56 | elg | it's distros using pulse because they're too stupid to not break alsa in the first place that annoy me |
| 16:07.36 | elg | and if alsa has trouble with dmix on soundcard X (I don't know if that's common or not), then that should be pushed upstream where it can be fixed once and for all |
| 16:07.44 | elg | not covered up with a stupid soundserver |
| 16:08.12 | JoshH | i used to hate esd |
| 16:08.16 | ^Migs^ | ~lart esd |
| 16:08.16 | ibot | tries to shut esd up |
| 16:08.23 | elg | nice, ibot :) |
| 16:08.29 | sontek | elg: so can JACK handle stuff like per app audio ? |
| 16:08.34 | JoshH | i'm just switching to ubuntu from debian for the first time with hardy, and decided not to mess with the sound setup |
| 16:09.00 | elg | sure, and why mess with it? even if it's pulse, if it's doing what you need then hey |
| 16:09.20 | JoshH | exactly |
| 16:10.26 | sontek | elg: I think pulse has the benefit of being an abstraction layer, it can push audio to jack, alsa, esd, arts, etc.. So developers can interface with it and it'll interface with whatever the user has |
| 16:10.32 | elg | sontek: meaning.. you want to control the volume on a per app basis? or do you want to pass different apps through different filters, or send some apps over the network and others to one sound card and others to another sound card? or do you mean you want to feed the output of one app as the audio input to another app (say, hook up your browser audio to your softphone and play a duehickey for your riend)? |
| 16:10.45 | sontek | elg: and it has the ability to handle audio per application |
| 16:11.07 | sontek | elg: and on the roadmap is "policies" which would allow you to say "mute banshee and I get a skype call" or something like that |
| 16:11.12 | elg | if pulse works for everything under the sun, and provides an abstraction layer to bring all those apps into jack land |
| 16:11.29 | elg | then it has my utmost respect. no matter how evil it is otherwise, that would be really awesome |
| 16:11.56 | elg | btw, all those things I mentioned jack can do |
| 16:12.02 | sontek | elg: what I use it for is having banshee at a low volume ( I like background noise ) but have vlc/mplayer at higher volume because I like to hear my movies :P |
| 16:12.10 | elg | if the apps support jack |
| 16:12.36 | Tene | elg: most of those things, pulse can do right now. |
| 16:12.36 | sontek | elg: pa works with jack, alsa, and esd for sure, i'm not sure how many others it works for |
| 16:12.51 | elg | pa? portaudio? |
| 16:13.25 | sontek | pulse audio ;p I get lazy |
| 16:13.59 | elg | so, if application X (say, flash plugin in firefox) is written for ye olde lowest common denominator (OSS, through alsa's oss emulation) |
| 16:14.14 | elg | can pulse capture it and proxy it to jack? |
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| 16:14.57 | Tene | elg: yes, iirc. |
| 16:15.18 | elg | i'll definitely have to take a closer look when I get a chance |
| 16:15.35 | elg | so i'm hearing that it's the default sound setup in hardy heron? |
| 16:15.43 | sontek | elg: I'm pretty sure it can, as it has both an alsa emulation layer and the ability to push things to jack.. but I'd have to test to be sure :P |
| 16:15.56 | sontek | elg: yeah, Fedora, Ubuntu, and SUSE all made it default in their next releases |
| 16:16.08 | elg | do apps have to be pulse-aware to use the alsa emulation layer? |
| 16:16.14 | sontek | nope |
| 16:16.26 | elg | so how does the layer get inserted? |
| 16:16.43 | elg | just by virtue of being a child process somehow, or does it insert itself at a kernel level? |
| 16:16.49 | sontek | I don't know how the layer gets inserted, but its emulation of alsa is what made it so easy for the distros to switch |
| 16:17.06 | sontek | because no one had to worry about applications breaking |
| 16:17.25 | elg | if they've accomplished that, that's good |
| 16:17.48 | elg | see, it's shaping up. glad you guys are here to set me straight |
| 16:18.06 | elg | do you know its latency characteristics? |
| 16:18.18 | Tene | elg: it sets itself up as the default alsa source and sink, or something of the sort. |
| 16:18.24 | sontek | I know jack has been proven to be faster than pulse for latency |
| 16:18.31 | Tene | alsamixer, for example, will control the pulse mixers. |
| 16:18.51 | Tene | I read a blog post recently about someone dramatically improving latency for pulse. I don't recall where, though. |
| 16:18.54 | elg | sontek: well yeah I'd assume that. jack is designed for überlow latency |
| 16:19.23 | elg | i'm just curious how much overhead pulse introduces |
| 16:19.26 | sontek | but I know they were working on it, and I don't have any issue when I'm streaming my audio to my server |
| 16:19.43 | elg | yeah, latency is only really a problem when you're interacting |
| 16:20.05 | elg | software synthesizers, digital audio workstations, etc. |
| 16:20.19 | elg | but pulse i'm sure doesn't get in the way of direct jack usage |
| 16:20.41 | elg | because to "support jack" it would just have to be a jack client, because of how awesome jack is in the first place |
| 16:20.58 | sontek | haha |
| 16:22.14 | elg | so, if pulse inserts itself beneath all programs and proxies to jack and is now the default on the major distros, and it works well, then I'll go from hating pulse to all-out celebration. why, just the implications for asterisk alone make me tingle |
| 16:22.45 | elg | if it does capture routing as well as playback I should mention |
| 16:23.03 | levi | elg: Speaking of audio latency, AVB will make network audio/video latency extremely low and predictable. It will be the Win! |
| 16:23.11 | Tene | "capture routing"? |
| 16:23.27 | elg | levi: awesome :) |
| 16:23.36 | elg | AVB does sound exciting. I'd like to learn more about it sometime |
| 16:23.50 | Tene | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AVB ? |
| 16:23.52 | elg | I once wrote a networked midi thingy. it was fun |
| 16:24.13 | jsmith | elg: You know that Asterisk now has a JACK client, right? |
| 16:24.15 | elg | just sending midi packets over the network had a lot of jitter and was really sick |
| 16:24.19 | elg | jsmith: no I didn't |
| 16:24.21 | levi | Tene: Uh, no. |
| 16:24.28 | jsmith | elg: You learn something new every day ;-) |
| 16:24.28 | elg | asterisk itself as a jack client? |
| 16:24.45 | Tene | dial-a-youtube! |
| 16:25.09 | jsmith | elg: http://www.russellbryant.net/blog/index.php/2008/01/13/jack-interfaces-for-asterisk/ |
| 16:25.13 | jsmith | elg: Yes, Asterisk itself |
| 16:25.36 | elg | "I recently learned about PureData, so very quickly I wanted to be able to get phone calls in and out of Pd (PureData)." :-D |
| 16:25.52 | elg | that makes me do a happy dance |
| 16:25.54 | Tene | I was going to present a phone tree for dial-a-youtube, but I can't think of any stereotypes of youtube videos. |
| 16:26.38 | elg | it also makes me shake my head - flightgear people have been doing crazy dances using asterisk and sip libraries and who knows what horribly wrong approaches to get networked voice communications (radio) |
| 16:27.10 | elg | if flightgear did jack (probably not too hard) it'd be so simple you'd just write a howto instead of code |
| 16:27.20 | levi | elg: AVB has a time synch protocol, so all participating devices have the same wall clock. It has the concept of presentation time, which is the exact wall clock time at which a given sample should play. It has a reservation protocol to reserve bandwidth through a network, and it has QoS features to enforce the reservation, including transfer rate control so that buffered audio is streamed at an appropriate rate. |
| 16:27.27 | elg | Tene: rickroll :) |
| 16:27.55 | elg | levi: stop it. you're making me drool |
| 16:28.09 | jsmith | levi: See, you're making elg drool all over his yoke |
| 16:28.11 | elg | seriously, that's the sort of thing I'd like to work in |
| 16:28.16 | levi | Hah, Rick Astley hold music. |
| 16:28.37 | levi | elg: Well, graduate and send in a resume. :) |
| 16:28.46 | elg | yeah no kidding |
| 16:29.55 | jsmith | elg: The JACK thing for Asterisk should be in 1.6.0, I think... |
| 16:30.13 | elg | it'd be nice if there's a way to set the JACK_HOOK globally |
| 16:30.22 | elg | ie it's always on so all calls get hooked into jakc |
| 16:30.23 | elg | jack even |
| 16:31.00 | levi | IEEE 1733, the layer 3 AVB transport protocol, is apparently being based on RTP. |
| 16:31.54 | levi | So, hopefully it won't be terribly difficult to switch VoIP over to it. |
| 16:32.10 | jsmith | elg: All you have to do is call the JACK function as the first step on all your calls |
| 16:32.16 | jsmith | levi: Sounds awesome |
| 16:32.42 | elg | jsmith: yeah, but it'd be nice to not have to do that |
| 16:33.47 | jsmith | elg: I'll suggest it |
| 16:34.08 | levi | Anyway, I should stop talking about it and go back to making it work. :) |
| 16:34.11 | elg | also from that blog post it's not obvious if there's any way to set the jack client names |
| 16:34.58 | elg | conceivably you'd want some voice munger waiting to see a client of the name asterisk_munge_me or something and automatically hook itself in |
| 16:34.58 | jsmith | elg: I will ask |
| 16:35.35 | elg | oh the possibilities |
| 16:35.38 | elg | "god mode" |
| 16:35.59 | elg | "threatening ransom call mode" |
| 16:36.33 | elg | "at the zoo" mode |
| 16:36.45 | elg | "i can't hear you - you're breaking up" |
| 16:37.03 | elg | speech recognition |
| 16:38.27 | jsmith | elg: So the answer to the "turn it on for all calls" question is "probably not" |
| 16:38.31 | scottj | Is there a big speed/coverage difference between AT&T, Verizon, and Sprint wireless data plans in Utah and nationally? |
| 16:38.47 | elg | figures |
| 16:38.57 | jsmith | elg: The answer for the "change the channel names" is "Sure, the API lets you do that -- we just haven't exposed it in Asterisk yet. I can't do it now, but I'll put it on my to-do list" |
| 16:39.14 | elg | cool thx |
| 16:40.37 | jsmith | elg: Or maybe I"ll get a wild hair and code it myself... I've been itching to get back into C code |
| 16:40.56 | elg | then you'd be not only coding in C, but coding audio stuff in C. |
| 16:40.58 | elg | what could be finer? |
| 16:41.19 | elg | ok, maybe coding audio stuff in something other than C could be finer |
| 16:41.32 | elg | but C isn't too terrible for audio stuff |
| 16:42.54 | jsmith | elg: Naw, I'd just be adding a function in Asterisk to call the JACK API to change the channel name... I wouldn't be messing with audio |
| 16:43.06 | jsmith | elg: I couldn't code myself out of a wet paper bag if I had to worry about audio |
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| 16:46.52 | tensai | locks jsmith in a paper bag and turns the hose on |
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| 16:47.55 | cbutler | I need some mod_proxy help... |
| 16:48.45 | cbutler | I've got an apache server that front-ends connections for a Glassfish server using mod_rewrite and mod_proxy |
| 16:49.06 | cbutler | I'm having trouble getting it working without opening up the proxy to the world |
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| 16:49.44 | jsmith | elg: Ask and ye shall receive... we now have the option of changing the JACK channel name |
| 16:49.45 | cbutler | I am using the general configuration described in this link: http://www.manorrock.com/documents/glassfish/proxy.html |
| 16:49.48 | brac | [Apache, mod_proxy and Glassfish] |
| 16:50.01 | elg | jsmith: w00t |
| 16:50.22 | elg | you're my most powerful friend |
| 16:50.25 | elg | must send chocolates |
| 16:50.37 | jsmith | elg: Revision 114533 |
| 16:50.51 | cbutler | I _think_ I need a proxy directive that allows me to accept proxy requests from the world, but only if destined for localhost:8080 |
| 16:50.56 | elg | i'll have to play with it this summer |
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| 17:01.35 | jsmith | elg: This summer? You're gonna wait until this summer?!? |
| 17:01.47 | elg | definition, starting 3 weeks from now |
| 17:01.57 | jsmith | elg: Here I go and get the feature added (in less than ten minutes, mind you!) and you don't even care |
| 17:02.08 | elg | :-D |
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| 17:31.13 | sjansen | findlay: Did you see that link to Glom? |
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| 17:44.51 | findlay | sjansen: I've already looked at glom. It doesn't support a full SQL backend |
| 17:45.21 | Tene | I thought it ran on postgresql? |
| 17:45.35 | jsmith | Tene: It does, but you have to do everything from within Glom |
| 17:50.14 | findlay | Tene: it's even worse than that. It doesn't work with databases it didn't generate, so you can't plug it into an arbitrary database and expect it to work |
| 17:50.50 | findlay | and it doesn't support all of postgresql, just a subset |
| 17:51.06 | findlay | I think glom is a great app, it's just not what I need |
| 17:55.58 | findlay | ~seen timriker |
| 17:55.59 | ibot | timriker <n=timr@pdpc/supporter/bronze/TimRiker> was last seen on IRC in channel #elinux, 20h 55m 18s ago, saying: 'dunno'. |
| 17:56.58 | findlay | haha, awesome |
| 17:57.09 | findlay | wiki.familysearch.org uses mediawiki |
| 17:57.51 | keldwud | ~seen keldwud |
| 17:57.52 | ibot | keldwud is currently on #utah (57m 16s). Has said a total of 1 messages. Is idling for 1s, last said: '~seen keldwud'. |
| 17:58.14 | keldwud | ~seen your mom |
| 17:58.15 | ibot | keldwud: i haven't seen 'your mom' |
| 17:58.17 | keldwud | haha |
| 18:01.16 | sontek | ö |
| 18:03.12 | keldwud | ~seen anything like it before |
| 18:03.13 | ibot | i haven't seen 'anything like it before', keldwud |
| 18:04.29 | findlay | ~make ö |
| 18:04.30 | ibot | make: *** No rule to make target `ö'. Stop. |
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| 18:24.49 | ^Migs^ | http://www.vouspensez.com/2008/04/22/the-geekiest-pants-ever/ |
| 18:29.00 | sjansen | ~flash amcnabb |
| 18:29.01 | ibot | ACTION starts a firmware update on amcnabb, then pulls the plug halfway through |
| 18:36.24 | gshipley | any of you guys have a non fedora kde4 box running? |
| 18:36.32 | gshipley | I need to see if a bug only exists in fedora |
| 18:36.45 | gshipley | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=443599 |
| 18:36.55 | amcnabb | hi, sjansen! |
| 18:37.07 | keldwud | ~what is good in life? |
| 18:37.08 | ibot | ACTION is good in life to understand recursion, you must first understand recursion |
| 18:37.39 | keldwud | ~what is best in life? |
| 18:37.40 | ibot | ACTION is best in life to understand recursion, you must first understand recursion |
| 18:37.53 | findlay | ~recurse |
| 18:37.54 | ibot | ~recurse |
| 18:38.09 | keldwud | it *should* say "To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of the women!" |
| 18:38.23 | keldwud | can somebody make ibot say that when I do ~what is best in life? |
| 18:53.02 | Sargun | http://www.pandora.com/music/song/disturbed/down+with+sickness is one weird song. |
| 18:53.25 | keldwud | ooh wah-ah-ah-ah |
| 18:53.43 | keldwud | it's even better when weird al covers it in his angry white boy polka |
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| 18:56.21 | lakshmi | hey |
| 18:57.42 | goozbach | ~what is |
| 18:57.42 | ibot | ACTION is to understand recursion, you must first understand recursion |
| 18:57.47 | goozbach | ~what |
| 18:59.53 | keldwud | ibot should *know* that conan's answer is what is best in life :) |
| 18:59.54 | ibot | I think you lost me on that one, keldwud |
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| 19:23.24 | Aliosa27_ | people on craigslist are strange |
| 19:23.30 | Aliosa27_ | http://saltlakecity.craigslist.org/sys/652121986.html |
| 19:27.28 | keldwud | haha |
| 19:30.36 | findlay | -chat craigslist |
| 19:30.37 | brac | craigslist had |
| 19:30.56 | Tene | -chat craigslist are |
| 19:30.56 | brac | craigslist are strange |
| 19:31.00 | Tene | -chat craigslist is |
| 19:31.00 | brac | craigslist is |
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| 19:50.09 | cbutler | |
| 19:50.17 | cbutler | quit |
| 19:50.25 | sontek | having a hard time? :P |
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| 20:30.53 | sjansen | gshipley: If you can wait a couple days, I could download openSUSE 11.0 Beta and check. |
| 20:31.31 | beandog | mmm, beta |
| 20:31.40 | beandog | its like crack for nerds. |
| 20:31.43 | findlay | the beta quadrant? |
| 20:32.08 | findlay | beandog: and that's why you run ~amd64? or -*? :) |
| 20:32.30 | gshipley | sjansen: it might be fixed by then.. :) |
| 20:32.43 | beandog | findlay, actually I run stable, beleive it or not |
| 20:32.50 | beandog | I don't believe it. |
| 20:32.52 | gshipley | sjansen: do you know if opensuse is runny 4.0.2 or .3? |
| 20:33.11 | findlay | beandog: I've found that x86 stable is quite stable, believe it or not |
| 20:33.21 | beandog | yah x86 is in great shape. |
| 20:33.23 | beandog | amd64, not so much. |
| 20:33.40 | beandog | reveals seekrit inside gentoo info |
| 20:33.44 | findlay | that reminds me. I still need to become an amd64 AT |
| 20:34.05 | sjansen | Silly user, gentoo's for kids. |
| 20:34.06 | findlay | need to setup an amd64 chroot |
| 20:34.15 | beandog | findlay, yes, yes! |
| 20:34.16 | beandog | :) |
| 20:34.34 | sjansen | gshipley: .3 |
| 20:35.19 | findlay | sjansen: sure. Go ahead and do adult stuff with your RHEL RHCQ SLED SLES SLEQ |
| 20:35.40 | findlay | beandog: I've got a question for you |
| 20:35.59 | findlay | how would you set up a distcc for an x86 laptop on an amd64 server? |
| 20:36.12 | beandog | emerge crossdev |
| 20:36.16 | findlay | did that |
| 20:36.25 | beandog | and then, uh |
| 20:36.32 | beandog | do the thing where you compile the x86 toolchain |
| 20:36.34 | findlay | do you initiate emerges on the server or the laptop |
| 20:36.45 | findlay | crossdev sets all that up |
| 20:36.52 | beandog | on the laptop |
| 20:36.55 | findlay | hm |
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| 20:37.24 | sjansen | ~bake elg |
| 20:37.25 | ibot | I think you mean ~cook elg, sjansen |
| 20:37.50 | sjansen | ibot: You second guessin' me bot? You know what I do the uppity bots? DO YOU?! |
| 20:38.07 | findlay | ~guess sjansen's second |
| 20:38.19 | findlay | -chat sjansen |
| 20:38.20 | brac | sjansen did a great 3d card and gives findlay a good set of studio monitor speakers: http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/JBL-LSR4328P-Studio-Monitor-Pair?sku=600377&src=3WFRWXX |
| 20:38.25 | findlay | nice |
| 20:41.48 | keldwud | ~what is best in life? |
| 20:41.49 | ibot | ACTION is best in life to understand recursion, you must first understand recursion |
| 20:41.53 | keldwud | phooey |
| 20:42.10 | keldwud | I know what is best in life. Conan the Barbarian taught me all about it |
| 20:42.20 | keldwud | reprograms ibot |
| 20:42.27 | keldwud | ~reprogram ibot |
| 20:42.32 | keldwud | damn |
| 20:42.32 | findlay | ~what |
| 20:42.36 | findlay | ~what is |
| 20:42.37 | ibot | ACTION is to understand recursion, you must first understand recursion |
| 20:42.47 | keldwud | ~what_is_best_in_life? |
| 20:42.56 | findlay | ~literal cmd: what is (.*?) |
| 20:42.56 | ibot | okay, findlay |
| 20:42.58 | sjansen | ~language keldwud |
| 20:42.59 | ibot | ACTION grabs keldwud by the ear and washes keldwud's mouth out with soap |
| 20:43.02 | keldwud | haha |
| 20:43.22 | keldwud | I phail at having a clue about ibot :) |
| 20:43.23 | findlay | ~literal |
| 20:43.23 | ibot | Leave me alone you! I won't reveal my secrets! |
| 20:43.27 | findlay | ~literal cmd |
| 20:43.27 | ibot | "cmd" is "the ultimate Microsoft IIS remote administration tool." |
| 20:43.30 | findlay | ~literal cmd: |
| 20:43.31 | ibot | "cmd:" is "($1): <action> tries to throw a NullPointerException at $1." |
| 20:43.38 | findlay | ~cmd: keldwud |
| 20:43.39 | keldwud | lmfao |
| 20:44.17 | keldwud | ~cmd "what is best in life?" "To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of the women!" |
| 20:44.18 | ibot | okay, keldwud |
| 20:44.24 | keldwud | ~what is best in life? |
| 20:44.25 | ibot | ACTION is best in life to understand recursion, you must first understand recursion |
| 20:44.28 | keldwud | doh. |
| 20:44.44 | keldwud | ~cmd "what is best in life?": "To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of the women!" |
| 20:44.44 | ibot | ...but cmd "what is already something else... |
| 20:44.47 | findlay | ~cmd "what is best in life?" |
| 20:44.47 | ibot | ...but cmd "what is already something else... |
| 20:44.52 | findlay | aha |
| 20:45.03 | keldwud | what were we doing wrong? |
| 20:45.09 | elg | ~cmd "what |
| 20:45.09 | ibot | hmm... cmd "what is best in life?" "To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of the women!" |
| 20:45.10 | keldwud | whitespace is fail? |
| 20:45.20 | findlay | well the 'is' word is an assignment operator |
| 20:45.24 | keldwud | aaahh |
| 20:45.28 | keldwud | howabout this |
| 20:45.41 | keldwud | ~cmd "what's best in life?" "To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of the women!" |
| 20:46.08 | keldwud | ~cmd what "is best in life to understand recursion, you must first understand recursion" |
| 20:46.16 | elg | ~cmd what " |
| 20:46.19 | keldwud | ahh, I fail at the operators |
| 20:46.37 | keldwud | I was trying to fix what, back to what it should have been |
| 20:46.47 | keldwud | maybe I should go RTFM. is there one? |
| 20:46.56 | sjansen | ~bzfrag keldwud |
| 20:46.56 | ibot | ACTION kills keldwud with a shot from his BZTank |
| 20:47.08 | sjansen | BOREing |
| 20:47.16 | sjansen | ~bzfrag keldwud |
| 20:47.17 | ibot | ACTION squishes keldwud with a steamroller |
| 20:47.20 | keldwud | hehe |
| 20:47.43 | keldwud | ~irc learning how to program me |
| 20:47.43 | ibot | Oh IRC, why do you distract me so from learning how to program me? |
| 20:48.34 | keldwud | okay so somebody explain the different parts in the following - "cmd:" is "($1): <action> tries to throw a NullPointerException at $1." |
| 20:52.06 | sjansen | breaks down and grabs a can of corn syrup from the company fridge |
| 20:53.09 | sjansen | Hmmmmm, A&W |
| 20:53.18 | sjansen | ~homer A&W |
| 20:54.22 | keldwud | two bones files on the same lvl. nice |
| 20:54.23 | keldwud | whoops |
| 20:54.28 | keldwud | wrong window |
| 20:54.59 | sjansen | ibot: homer $item is <action> tips back her head and (drooling) moans "Hhhmmmmm, $item" |
| 20:55.00 | ibot | sjansen: okay |
| 20:55.03 | sjansen | ~homer A&W |
| 20:55.04 | ibot | ACTION tips back her head and (drooling) moans "Hhhmmmmm, A&W" |
| 20:57.08 | keldwud | is ibot lagging? |
| 20:59.41 | sjansen | ~lag |
| 20:59.41 | ibot | lag is probably very bad here :( |
| 20:59.47 | sjansen | keldwud: Nope. |
| 21:02.56 | sjansen | What's the R in BRIC countries again? |
| 21:03.35 | elg | it makes the rrrr sound |
| 21:03.43 | elg | buh rrrrr ick |
| 21:08.42 | beandog | anyone got a suggestion on how to setup a ssh root jail acct |
| 21:09.22 | kai4785 | beandog: depends on the type of jail you want |
| 21:10.05 | beandog | uh |
| 21:10.13 | beandog | just access to their homedir, and that's it. |
| 21:10.38 | kai4785 | http://www.fuschlberger.net/programs/ssh-scp-sftp-chroot-jail/ |
| 21:10.40 | brac | [fuschlberger.net - Howto Setup a chroot-jail for ssh/scp with Linux] |
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| 21:11.38 | kai4785 | that's kinda what you're looking for right? Like your FTP clients can't see files outside the root directory |
| 21:11.49 | beandog | well, SFTP in this case. |
| 21:14.54 | kai4785 | ya, ssh has built that in |
| 21:15.10 | kai4785 | It's a matter of setting up the correct parameters in your sshd_config, from what I've read. Havn't done it myself though. |
| 21:16.42 | beandog | would that work for a per-user basis though? |
| 21:18.31 | kai4785 | yes |
| 21:18.34 | kai4785 | you jail each user |
| 21:19.37 | mrpull | beandog: I vaguely remember a shell that you could choose for those users |
| 21:19.58 | mrpull | maybe "scponly"? |
| 21:20.30 | beandog | yahp |
| 21:20.36 | beandog | Im looking at that one right now |
| 21:20.36 | mrpull | do those users need to actually log in or is SCP/SFTP the only need? |
| 21:20.43 | unum | I modified by pam file to force certain users to a chrooted directory |
| 21:20.58 | unum | very nice for what we needed |
| 21:21.05 | kai4785 | scponly may still allow users to view outside their home directory. |
| 21:21.17 | beandog | oh really? crap. |
| 21:21.22 | beandog | I can't have that. |
| 21:21.30 | mrpull | scponlyc will lock them into their home |
| 21:24.29 | mrpull | but it appears you have to create a chroot environment in their home. |
| 21:24.32 | mrpull | maybe this will help |
| 21:24.33 | mrpull | http://geekzine.org/2007/09/28/easy-sftp-and-chroot-sftp-with-scponly/ |
| 21:37.07 | ^Migs^ | Type "find chuck norris" into Google then click "I'm Feeling Lucky" |
| 21:38.39 | keldwud | ~chuck norris |
| 21:38.39 | ibot | chuck norris is probably and there is no chin under Chuck Norris' Beard. There is only another fist. |
| 21:38.45 | keldwud | haha |
| 21:39.00 | keldwud | ibot can do it too :) |
| 21:40.15 | findlay | -google chuck norris |
| 21:40.16 | brac | chuck norris: http://www.chucknorrisfacts.com/ |
| 21:40.56 | beandog | okay |
| 21:40.57 | beandog | well |
| 21:41.02 | beandog | I think im gonna do push instead of pull |
| 21:41.09 | beandog | that'll resolve a lot of simple issues. |
| 21:48.37 | Jayce^ | ~run from harleypig singing Flight of the Conchords music |
| 21:55.31 | whiteley | Is knoppix still the king of liveCD distros? |
| 21:56.58 | beandog | hasnt been updated in a while |
| 21:57.07 | beandog | still good though |
| 22:00.19 | whiteley | beandog: alternatives? |
| 22:00.38 | beandog | whiteley, I dunno, no real reason not to go with it |
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| 22:08.48 | keldwud | flips around his 7inch screen with ease :) |
| 22:14.26 | mrpull | whiteley: the ubuntu desktop cd's are nice and simple live cds |
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| 22:14.44 | mrpull | I guess it depends on what you want to do... there are so many specialized livecds now |
| 22:15.54 | beandog | thast true |
| 22:16.01 | beandog | I like DSL for quick and dirty |
| 22:20.49 | sontek | Gentoo's install disk has always been my favorite |
| 22:22.08 | whiteley | mrpull: rescue type stuff. I want to boot it on a friend's laptop and test some things that he's been having problems with -- hopefully to tell him whether ne needs new hardware or needs to reinstall windows to get rid of all the spyware and viruses. |
| 22:23.36 | mrpull | I have used http://www.nu2.nu/pebuilder/ to for windows rescue stuff |
| 22:23.46 | mrpull | s/to/too/ |
| 22:29.53 | Sargun | sontek, Gentoo's install disk is the best |
| 22:30.20 | mrpull | I guess I gave up on Gentoo before they had a decent install disk :) |
| 22:32.39 | beandog | I wish it had rsync |
| 22:33.15 | sontek | having suse install over ssh remotely after being launched from pxe has spoiled me... I just had to setup 5 win2k3 boxes and its painful |
| 22:33.32 | sontek | but i'm sure they have a way to remote boot/install, I just don't know how :P |
| 22:36.26 | mrpull | Windows uses RIS (Remote Installation Services), but 5 servers might not justify learning it |
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| 23:08.10 | keldwud | anybody want to give me some newsgroup suggestions? |
| 23:10.41 | tensai | alt.binaries |
| 23:10.48 | sontek | alt.xxx |
| 23:11.56 | keldwud | heh :) |
| 23:12.15 | Tene | alt.tasteless.bork.bork.bork |
| 23:13.06 | unum | alt.binaries.plumpers |
| 23:13.20 | unum | a friend recommended it, I haven't checked it out.... |
| 23:14.00 | unum | that reminds me I haven't checked rec.humor.funny for a couple of days |
| 23:15.44 | keldwud | hahaha |
| 23:15.55 | findlay | misc.random.this.way.lies.madness |
| 23:16.00 | keldwud | I'm still trying to figure out how to set up my newsgroups in opera |
| 23:16.03 | keldwud | god I love opera |
| 23:16.05 | keldwud | :) |
| 23:16.11 | findlay | silly opera |
| 23:16.24 | keldwud | hey you've seen how many times I have to kill firefox. |
| 23:16.30 | keldwud | I've never had to kill opera |
| 23:16.32 | beandog | seamonkey++ |
| 23:16.38 | findlay | elinks ftw! |
| 23:16.40 | keldwud | although I hear that FF is finally learning from their competition |
| 23:16.56 | keldwud | they have slimmed it down in order to be able to compete on the mobile platform market |
| 23:17.02 | findlay | icegorilla++ |
| 23:17.12 | keldwud | and apparently FF3 has a smaller footprint than opera now. |
| 23:17.44 | keldwud | I may check it out, but I've been using this browser WAY to long to start getting comfortable with a new one. |
| 23:17.45 | findlay | I don't know. Opera'd have to be as fat as a Wagner diva for that to happen |
| 23:18.04 | beandog | mmm I love elinks |
| 23:18.12 | beandog | findlay++ |
| 23:18.22 | keldwud | haha. I read a few articles actually. they *claim* FF is running smaller than opera right now, but I am sure that is without all the bells and whistles. |
| 23:18.25 | keldwud | I dunno. |
| 23:18.33 | keldwud | anyway, BRB. I'm off to dilvies for some grub. |
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| 23:18.45 | findlay | in my experience ff3 isn't that much better |
| 23:18.50 | beandog | speed is pretty much the last thing I care about when it comes to my browser |
| 23:20.27 | sontek | I made the switch to epiphany |
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| 23:36.19 | elg | ~rlart |
| 23:36.19 | ibot | --purges jlp_work |
| 23:36.28 | elg | so teh microsoft propaganda truck is coming next week |
| 23:37.44 | elg | hm, my advisor is retiring. I wonder what that means for me |
| 23:38.20 | Supaplex | you ordered thermite for this propaganda? |
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| 23:40.55 | keldwud | okay back |
| 23:41.03 | keldwud | hey where's Supaplex? |
| 23:41.08 | keldwud | ~poke supaplex |
| 23:41.08 | ibot | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind supaplex, pokes supaplex repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 23:41.36 | keldwud | supa, where are you??? |
| 23:41.52 | elg | i don't get people and different ssh ports |
| 23:41.58 | keldwud | come eat chicken and mashed potatoes |
| 23:42.15 | elg | you're afraid of a dictionary attack, so you move your daemon? what's wrong with this picture? |
| 23:42.31 | elg | when I'm afraid of a dictionary attack, I change my password(s) so that I'm not afraid of a dictionary attack |
| 23:42.40 | elg | this is what we call a healthy fear |
| 23:43.53 | Supaplex | I use iptables -m recent |
| 23:43.58 | Supaplex | keldwud: greets |
| 23:44.11 | Supaplex | keldwud: cool. where at? |
| 23:44.20 | keldwud | I'm over at dilvie's he wan'ts your attention |
| 23:44.23 | elg | if you want to be vengeful and tarpit the losers, that's admirable |
| 23:44.45 | keldwud | supa, come eat |
| 23:45.03 | Supaplex | keldwud: remember http://www.discoverychannel.ca/shows/showdetails.aspx?sid=8102 ? that works better than my car with a dead clutch :( |
| 23:45.48 | keldwud | that's funny, beacuse my bike has a dead clutch, all you gotta do is just shift at the right RPM |
| 23:46.01 | keldwud | just test it until it slides in |
| 23:46.07 | keldwud | but it is easier with a bike |
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| 23:59.03 | findlay | you're eating dead clutches and dictionaries? |
| 23:59.08 | findlay | with gravy |
| 23:59.55 | keldwud | haha |
| 23:59.59 | keldwud | and chicken |