| 00:03.42 | fozzmoo | herlo: good luck with that. |
| 00:05.06 | herlo | ~lart fozzmoo |
| 00:05.06 | ibot | squishes fozzmoo like a bug |
| 00:05.19 | fozzmoo | squeaks like a bug |
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| 01:18.58 | findlay | ~bug fozzmoo |
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| 01:29.43 | tuple | what the flip! |
| 01:29.48 | tuple | stupid vista |
| 01:29.59 | tuple | I hook these two computers together with an ethernet cable |
| 01:30.05 | nick125_eee | tuple: repetitive statement ... |
| 01:30.12 | tuple | i start copying 13 gigs via smb |
| 01:30.25 | tuple | (after spending no less than 40 minutes trying to figure out how to get vista to let me do that |
| 01:30.39 | tuple | hint: make sure explorer crashes then restart explorer, and now it will work fine) |
| 01:30.47 | tuple | and now it tells me 4 hours |
| 01:30.49 | tuple | and counting. |
| 01:30.53 | tuple | now it says 8.5 hours |
| 01:31.27 | tuple | let's see. 100 mbit. 13 GiB * 8 = 104 gbit |
| 01:31.33 | tuple | so 1000 seconds |
| 01:31.43 | tuple | or roughly 16 minutes |
| 01:31.54 | tuple | now it says 10 hours |
| 01:32.16 | findlay | haha |
| 01:32.24 | tuple | of course I don't have 10 hours to copy this data |
| 01:32.51 | nick125_eee | tuple: USB HD enclosure/ |
| 01:33.01 | nick125_eee | firewire? |
| 01:33.02 | nick125_eee | runs |
| 01:33.10 | tuple | well that's the great part, I'm going from a usb/firewire drive in the first place |
| 01:33.30 | nick125_eee | So why not hook the USB drive to the target machine? |
| 01:33.35 | tuple | but this isn't my vista machine. I don't do windows, so I had no reason to format it in something as horrendous as vfat, or unportable as ntfs |
| 01:33.36 | tuple | it's hfs+ |
| 01:33.37 | findlay | tuple: well, for now I'm just forwarding all spoofed error messags to /dev/null |
| 01:33.48 | findlay | still annoying, though |
| 01:34.03 | tuple | i extracted a bunch of data from two flailing laptops for these friends |
| 01:34.18 | nick125_eee | tuple: You could fire up a linux livecd that has hfs+ support and copy it over |
| 01:34.25 | tuple | they gave me their flailing laptops, I copied the data off as it was convenient |
| 01:34.47 | tuple | now they drop off their "production" laptop while they go on a date. I should be able to copy those 13 gigs over, no? in something like an hour tops |
| 01:35.06 | findlay | haha |
| 01:35.06 | tuple | nick125_eee: hmm, that's a thought. it would need ntfs write support too |
| 01:35.27 | nick125_eee | tuple: Worse case scenerio, you could roll a quick livecd with catalyst. |
| 01:35.28 | findlay | tuple: latest ubuntu livecd supports ntfs |
| 01:35.29 | tuple | well its estimate is back down to 1 hour 20 |
| 01:35.58 | tuple | and it's average 70 mbit by my bandwidth meter, so maybe it'll work out |
| 01:36.08 | tuple | chalk it up to vista can't count I guess |
| 01:36.46 | tuple | incidentally, to get the data off of the offending (XP) computers, |
| 01:36.54 | findlay | any of you guys use postgrey? |
| 01:37.03 | tuple | initially I fought with XP to let me share stuff. very very frustrating |
| 01:37.19 | findlay | I have it running, but it appears to do nothing, no logs or anything |
| 01:37.20 | tuple | more frustrating than just getting sharing enabled and the firewall off. it was determined not to work |
| 01:37.26 | nick125_eee | tuple: Just put <some linux distro> on there, put their data on it and call it a day. |
| 01:37.31 | tuple | so I got a live cd and used rsync. muahaha |
| 01:38.31 | tuple | (un)fortunately ubuntu didn't fit on the cdrw I had, so I had to find a small one, and I ended up finding http://rescuecd.pld-linux.org/ |
| 01:38.36 | brac | [PLD LINUX Rescue CD] |
| 01:38.36 | tuple | which I am very impressed with |
| 01:53.50 | levi | Huh, Mister Ed sent me an email explaining how he's going through some hard times and stuff. |
| 01:55.02 | levi | He apparently feels bad that he's bungled his opportunity to mesh with the PLUG community. |
| 01:55.10 | findlay | ~flame levi |
| 01:55.11 | ibot | levi, YOU SUCK. And you know it. |
| 01:55.18 | levi | ~flame findlay |
| 01:55.18 | ibot | findlay, YOU SUCK. And you know it. |
| 01:55.22 | findlay | heh |
| 01:55.35 | levi | ibot is an uncreative insulter. |
| 01:55.55 | levi | findlay: You worked for him for a while, didn't you? |
| 01:56.03 | findlay | yeah |
| 01:57.16 | levi | How was that? |
| 01:58.10 | findlay | he was kind of a talker |
| 01:59.16 | findlay | he and harleypig went to the same HS |
| 02:00.02 | levi | Interesting. |
| 02:00.37 | sontek | :) |
| 02:00.45 | levi | Apparently the husband of a long-time friend of my wife's is a good friend of Josh Coates. |
| 02:01.51 | levi | They were roommates or something at one point. |
| 02:02.59 | levi | Apparently Mister Ed and Josh Coates are friends, too. And Josh Coates also conflicted with PLUG. Hmmm... |
| 02:03.13 | levi | There's the makings of a crazy theory here. :P |
| 02:03.15 | findlay | hehe |
| 02:03.21 | sontek | everyone conflicts on plug |
| 02:05.00 | Heartsbane | you mean the "off topic" mailing list? |
| 02:05.37 | sontek | its always on topic if you rename it to the flamewar list |
| 02:06.13 | Heartsbane | kill all top posters!!! |
| 02:06.17 | keldwud | five hours later, hello supap |
| 02:06.28 | keldwud | s/supap/supaplex/ |
| 02:07.08 | keldwud | dude the internets and mailinglists and forums and chat and all that would be *nothing* without flaming :) |
| 02:07.13 | keldwud | or trolls |
| 02:07.23 | levi | PLUG arguments aren't flamewars. |
| 02:07.25 | keldwud | it would be a very boring place indeed :) |
| 02:07.51 | levi | They occasionally get a little heated, and there have probably been a flamewar or two, but they're mostly pretty tame. |
| 02:08.44 | keldwud | oh speaking of tame... [obscure but witty joke about mothers and such] |
| 02:08.47 | keldwud | ;) |
| 02:14.44 | levi | And my compiler slowly, slowly comes together... |
| 02:16.31 | levi | By the way, if anyone here lives in the vicinity of Lehi, the new Thai restaurant on Main Street is pretty good. |
| 02:16.36 | levi | I went there for dinner tonight. |
| 02:17.47 | keldwud | what's it called? |
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| 02:27.05 | findlay | ~help exchange |
| 02:28.38 | findlay | ~quote gbp |
| 02:28.44 | findlay | ~quote eur |
| 02:28.52 | levi | keldwud: It's called Thai House |
| 02:29.19 | levi | keldwud: It's in a cool old house on Main Street. Used to be a Mexican restaurant that had been closed down for a while. |
| 02:31.09 | findlay | ~convert 140.70 eur to usd |
| 02:33.21 | keldwud | oh I remember that mexican restaraunt. my friend used to work there. it's the place that's really more like a house right? |
| 02:34.24 | findlay | listens to Schubert quartet music |
| 02:34.35 | keldwud | shit. fucking firefox is so fail. |
| 02:34.50 | findlay | ~language keldwud |
| 02:34.51 | ibot | ACTION grabs keldwud by the ear and washes keldwud's mouth out with soap |
| 02:34.54 | keldwud | GIVE ME MY rsources back! |
| 02:35.07 | findlay | heh |
| 02:35.16 | findlay | ff3 isn't much better |
| 02:35.25 | keldwud | zomgI cant see my typing |
| 02:35.43 | keldwud | okay phew. |
| 02:36.00 | keldwud | 20 seconds after it has been killed, I finally get my computer back |
| 02:36.33 | keldwud | dude, it was as bad as running windows and internet explorer. ever had your whole computer go on hold because IE decided it couldn't make up it's mind on what to do? |
| 02:36.35 | keldwud | god I hate FF |
| 02:37.06 | keldwud | anyway :) see you cats on the flip side, time for work again. |
| 02:37.55 | keldwud | oh and sorry about the lanuage :)I was mad :) |
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| 02:38.25 | findlay | is there a way to resize an fs image when it's a file? |
| 02:44.05 | tuple | don't see why not |
| 02:44.10 | tuple | same way you'd do it if it weren't |
| 02:45.30 | tuple | oh i hate windows |
| 02:45.45 | nick125_eee | is tempted to throw his server through HP's window |
| 02:45.48 | tuple | so it was taking way too long. so I decided to gamble and do the linux rescue cd |
| 02:46.03 | tuple | but linux didn't want to give me write on ntfs because of "unsupported flags" |
| 02:46.05 | nick125_eee | The SATA controller onboard is disabled with no way to enable it |
| 02:46.07 | tuple | so that was a waste of time |
| 02:46.26 | tuple | and now, windows has no obvious way of not retransferring the files I already copied |
| 02:46.46 | tuple | and figuring out how to get rsync on windows would take too long. so I just wait, again |
| 02:46.53 | tuple | they'll just have to come back tomorrow to get their laptop |
| 02:58.10 | nick125_eee | Anyone know if it's possible to have a RAID5 with two drives? |
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| 03:02.37 | tensai | ~echelon fodder |
| 03:02.38 | ibot | echelon fodder is probably Bush, Uranium, Dirty Bomb, Jihad, Allah Akbar, TNT, Rent a van, assassination , NSA, wiretaps, sleeper cell, suicide bomb, vest, Oklahoma City, Waco, revenge, anthrax, virgins, fuse, great celebration, July 4th, detcord, martyr, timer, backpack, subway. Ruby Ridge |
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| 03:31.25 | levi | The lack of a decent cross-platform filesystem is indeed sad. |
| 03:31.58 | mrpull-lt | levi: isn't NTFS pretty stable on the big three now? ;-) |
| 03:32.37 | levi | If one of your computers you're using here is a Mac, could you not put it in Firewire target disk mode? Though I guess the chances of the other laptop having firewire are slim. |
| 03:32.57 | levi | mrpull-lt: Which are the 'big 3'? |
| 03:33.12 | mrpull-lt | OSX, Windows, Linux |
| 03:33.36 | levi | Well, apparently not stable enough to help tuple. |
| 03:54.26 | findlay | ~stable |
| 03:54.26 | ibot | i guess stable is the status of a Debian release when no packages will be added or changed unless a security fix is needed, or sta-ble adj; uptime in excess of 365days, or where the horses live The current stable version of Debian is sarge (3.1). |
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| 05:10.24 | Supaplex | haha sarge? that's OLDstable :P |
| 05:10.46 | nick125 | Remember! In Debian, older than the hills == stable! |
| 05:13.58 | Supaplex | no that's RHEL |
| 05:14.02 | Supaplex | ;) |
| 05:14.19 | tensai | hey, my servers appreciate running stable |
| 05:14.41 | Supaplex | ditto |
| 05:14.41 | tensai | my desktops otoh, they prefer ubuntu |
| 05:15.10 | Supaplex | prefers backports and/or hand rolled upstream updates (ala uupdate) |
| 05:15.44 | tensai | yes. although the number of times I actually need something not in stable are pretty few. |
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| 05:30.05 | tuple | ntfs rw isn't mature in linux, and it's read-only on osx |
| 05:31.03 | tensai | just suck it up and use vista. you know you want to. |
| 05:31.47 | tuple | here we are, 4 hours after beginning this fiasco |
| 05:32.00 | tuple | and it's still trying to copy 13 gigs of files |
| 05:33.25 | tuple | and it thinks it has 2 hours left |
| 05:33.54 | tuple | 9 GB left. 1.28 MB/s |
| 05:34.08 | tuple | i don't know how that equals 2.75 hours |
| 05:34.46 | findlay | wipe it and install ubuntu-8.04-LTS! Tell them you've upgraded to vistas-sp2 :) |
| 05:35.08 | findlay | s/s//g |
| 05:35.19 | findlay | s/u//g |
| 05:35.28 | findlay | bnt! |
| 05:36.05 | tuple | abt 2 hours of that 4 hrs was it waiting for me to say overwrite or skip the files I had already copied |
| 05:36.19 | tuple | it asked me, halfway through copying them |
| 05:36.24 | findlay | haha |
| 05:36.37 | tuple | that's the sort of thing it would be helpful to ask at the beginning, so it's not held up by me |
| 05:37.16 | tuple | ha! this is awesome |
| 05:37.28 | tuple | so it went from 9 GB, 3 hours left, to done |
| 05:37.32 | tuple | just like that |
| 05:38.07 | tuple | no doubt it finished because I had said don't overwrite the files that were already there, since the total size is what it should be |
| 05:38.15 | tuple | washes his hands of vista |
| 05:38.29 | tuple | although to be fair it's not treated me any worse than any previous version |
| 05:38.40 | tuple | and it does look a little cooler |
| 05:46.20 | tuple | so does anyone know if you can have two x sessions active at the same time? |
| 05:46.27 | tuple | i.e. one x session on each of two monitors |
| 05:46.39 | tuple | and both monitors showing something |
| 05:46.46 | tuple | though of course keyboard/mouse input limited to one |
| 05:48.10 | findlay | how long do you think it would take to read every dilbert cartoon? |
| 05:48.39 | tuple | long enough |
| 05:48.42 | tuple | and no longer |
| 06:00.41 | tensai | tuple: I was just reading up about dual monitors the other week |
| 06:01.13 | tensai | tuple: from what I understand, if you don't use xinerama, then you get two separate $DISPLAYs |
| 06:01.26 | tuple | ok, that's handy |
| 06:01.34 | tuple | makes it easy to get programs on the right one |
| 06:01.36 | tuple | and kind of makes sense |
| 06:01.45 | tuple | but does the mouse cross into them? |
| 06:02.01 | tuple | (i assume we're talking about one x session, two screens, no xinerama (or twinview)) |
| 06:02.18 | tuple | my wife will no doubt get confused if the mouse goes off the edge of the screen into oblivion |
| 06:03.10 | tuple | maybe if I position the tv screen diagonally |
| 06:03.18 | tuple | so you'd only escape if you went in the corner |
| 06:03.25 | findlay | ~date |
| 06:03.25 | ibot | It is now 2008.04.20 6:03:25 GMT |
| 06:03.44 | tuple | what about dpms? can the monitor go to sleep while we watch tv? can I disable tv going to sleep at all? |
| 06:03.54 | tuple | so many questions. I'm afraid only trial and error will answer them |
| 06:03.55 | findlay | tuple: you're thinking way too Euclidian |
| 06:04.03 | tuple | euclidian? |
| 06:04.33 | findlay | what you want is to position the displays in a hypernormal tensor array |
| 06:05.28 | tensai | I don't have all the answers. I've only done cursory investigation. |
| 06:05.44 | findlay | you may need an antimatter unit, though |
| 06:06.07 | nick125 | installs an antimatter unit into findlay |
| 06:06.18 | findlay | I want an antimatter display |
| 06:06.32 | tuple | interesting. http://tldp.org/HOWTO/XWindow-User-HOWTO/appendix.html |
| 06:06.34 | tensai | tuple: so you're planning this for a tv? |
| 06:06.58 | tuple | Yes, X can have more than one "display" available (though this is not a common configuration for the average user). Each "display" is a separate instance of "X". The "display" includes not only the obvious video components, but also the keyboard, mouse and other input type components. The user can only access one display at a time via the same keyboard and monitor. "Displays" may reside locally, or on a networked host "somewhere", or both. It is possible that |
| 06:07.01 | levi | tuple: If you have two separate X displays, you need two mice or something like that program whose name I can never remember to move the mouse from one into the other. |
| 06:07.16 | tuple | synergy |
| 06:07.20 | levi | Right. |
| 06:07.28 | tuple | synergy would work in a pinch, but the idea is that the remote is good enough for the tv |
| 06:07.32 | tuple | control myth with lirc |
| 06:07.42 | levi | has been neck-deep in his compiler assignment. |
| 06:07.57 | levi | I've just about got intermediate code done, and target code is about half-done. |
| 06:08.01 | tuple | tensai: yeah, currently my server is my freevo/myth box |
| 06:08.08 | levi | It should be fairly straightforward once I finish intermediate code. |
| 06:08.28 | tuple | my desktop is only a few more feet away though, and it's fast enough to play HD live |
| 06:08.41 | tensai | based on that doc, what I was referring to was actually multiple screens. e.g. :0.0 and :0.1 |
| 06:08.58 | tuple | ya |
| 06:09.03 | tuple | that's what it looks like |
| 06:09.19 | tuple | i'm curious about that multiple display in one session thing |
| 06:09.26 | tuple | that sounds promising |
| 06:09.37 | tensai | sounds like a maze to me |
| 06:09.40 | tuple | I know I'll never figure it out by googling, but it can be fun :) |
| 06:09.53 | tuple | i can't justify taking the computers apart until after the semester ends |
| 06:10.23 | tuple | (I'll have to switch video cards) |
| 06:10.44 | levi | Time for me to sleep. |
| 06:10.54 | tuple | dream of compiler gremlins |
| 06:11.32 | tensai | tuple: I'm still not clear on what you're trying to accomplish |
| 06:11.58 | tuple | basically, I want my desktop to remain undisturbed, but also do myth on tv-out |
| 06:12.03 | tuple | using the same video card |
| 06:12.27 | tensai | so server goes back to its normal chores and is out of the picture |
| 06:12.34 | tuple | right |
| 06:12.40 | tuple | back to being a server |
| 06:12.49 | tuple | what slavery |
| 06:13.01 | tensai | ok, that makes sense. you want to have myth running and controlling the tv out, but also be able to run X and use it as a desktop |
| 06:13.08 | tuple | yup |
| 06:13.37 | tuple | i know i could do it with two screens no xinerama, but I'm not sure the mouse would stay isolated |
| 06:13.47 | tuple | and not entirely sure window managers would be well-behaved |
| 06:14.12 | tuple | it's been a few years since I had a dual-head setup, but I remember gnome being particularly braindead about things like the panels |
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| 06:14.22 | tuple | and gnome is what we use on the desktop |
| 06:14.37 | tensai | I'm sorry to hear that |
| 06:14.49 | tensai | have you tried therapy? |
| 06:14.59 | tuple | :) |
| 06:15.03 | tuple | what do you use? |
| 06:15.23 | tensai | the other grand champion of excess: kde |
| 06:15.24 | tuple | there's no telling what it would be if I were the primary user. who knows how many times I would have switched by now |
| 06:16.44 | tensai | I've been around the block with window managers and I'm satisfied with kde. I probably would be with gnome too if I had stuck with it years ago. |
| 06:17.32 | tensai | the one thing that drove me away from gnome was not being able to use the meta key to move windows. it had to be alt. |
| 06:19.01 | tensai | anyhoo, back to your problem. I suspect it could be done with two different video cards. I wonder if your video out supports being controlled separately from the vga, or if they have to show the same image. |
| 06:19.11 | tuple | haha, I just learned about something called "zaphod mode" |
| 06:19.19 | tuple | which sounds perfect, digging more |
| 06:19.32 | Sargun | anybody here ever customize laptops? |
| 06:19.46 | tuple | only one agp slot |
| 06:19.51 | tensai | Sargun: like by dropping one? |
| 06:19.57 | Sargun | lol |
| 06:20.08 | tuple | and neither the tv out nor the 3d flight simulation is going to happen with a cheap pci card |
| 06:20.16 | Sargun | No, as in being a typical "modder" |
| 06:20.47 | tuple | tensai: my video card is an nvidia geforce4 |
| 06:20.54 | tensai | tuple: you could get tv out on a pci card. 3d, probably not though. |
| 06:20.59 | Sargun | tuple, I've seen crappy Video Cards with TV out. |
| 06:20.59 | tuple | it supports dual monitor stuff |
| 06:21.25 | tuple | well, for myth it has to be xv capable. maybe a pci exists |
| 06:21.42 | tuple | but not in my house, and I'm not going on a second video card hunt. I just finished the first one :) |
| 06:21.59 | Sargun | I've actually seen like $80 video cards with 3d accelertion. |
| 06:22.12 | tuple | this one was free and has 3d acceleration |
| 06:22.34 | tuple | and the new ones that would meed my needs were $30 after shipping and blow the pants off of any 3d card I've got now |
| 06:22.42 | tuple | just about every card sold today has 3d acceleration |
| 06:23.01 | tuple | and no cards sold today are plain pci |
| 06:23.12 | tensai | sure they are. they're just hard to find. |
| 06:23.24 | tuple | well, yes, it's a big internet |
| 06:23.28 | tuple | and there's the used market of course |
| 06:23.46 | tuple | i suppose there is a nonzero need for replacing dying video cards in old servers that don't have agp |
| 06:24.01 | tensai | or setting up dual head :) |
| 06:24.57 | Sargun | I like PCI video cards. |
| 06:25.14 | tuple | well, almost all cards sold today support dual head by themselves |
| 06:25.20 | tuple | but maybe for 3-head :) |
| 06:25.37 | tensai | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814143032 |
| 06:26.08 | tensai | there's a decent pci video card with 3d and tv out |
| 06:26.29 | tuple | awesome |
| 06:26.39 | tuple | i stand corrected on a technicality ;-) |
| 06:27.01 | tensai | I'm assume you're not gonna blow $70 on this project though |
| 06:28.01 | tuple | nope |
| 06:28.17 | tensai | this reminds me of a post on /. a while back. somebody was looking for recommendations on the best way to set up a server. |
| 06:28.20 | tuple | it'll work or it'll semi-work and we'll make do, or I'll wait for HD to transcode |
| 06:29.07 | tensai | his plan was to put in a top of the line 3d card and use two drives for speed, but skip raid because that would just slow it down and waste space |
| 06:29.29 | tensai | and everybody mocked him because he deserved it |
| 06:29.36 | nick125 | lol |
| 06:29.52 | Sargun | lol |
| 06:30.00 | Sargun | RAID0 |
| 06:30.11 | Sargun | No, I want RAID1*10 ontop of RAID0 ;-) |
| 06:30.26 | nick125 | Sargun: No, I want a RAID0 on a single drive. |
| 06:30.46 | nick125 | or a RAID1 |
| 06:30.47 | tuple | nick125: can't you do something like that with lvm? |
| 06:30.56 | Sargun | nick125, haha |
| 06:30.59 | tensai | sure, you *could* |
| 06:31.39 | tuple | well raid1 would be pretty silly |
| 06:31.49 | tuple | and who knows if raid0 would actually give you any performance improvement |
| 06:33.53 | Sargun | tuple, doubtfully |
| 06:34.14 | tuple | probably reduce it |
| 06:35.05 | tensai | tuple: I've heard mention of xv on tv out. tell me more. |
| 06:35.23 | tuple | Xv I think is short for XVideo |
| 06:35.41 | sontek | :O |
| 06:35.43 | nick125 | But RAID1 is supposed to make your data more secure! |
| 06:35.51 | tuple | it's an acceleration thing for playing video with the help of the video card |
| 06:35.52 | sontek | i'm a raid5 man myself |
| 06:35.59 | tensai | that part I'm familiar with. I know that for video decoding it gives you a good speed boost and that some video cards don't support xv on their tv ports. |
| 06:36.22 | tuple | then there's XvMC (motion compensation), which is more sophisticated and supported (sometimes badly) by more recent cards |
| 06:36.37 | tuple | ati doesn't seem to do xv |
| 06:36.48 | tuple | they do support another acceleration protocol called vidix |
| 06:36.59 | tuple | which has worked fine for me |
| 06:37.03 | tuple | but myth doesn't |
| 06:37.53 | tuple | myth is one big pustule of NIH |
| 06:41.49 | tensai | have you used xv with nvidia? |
| 06:42.18 | tuple | yeah |
| 06:42.54 | tuple | when I started using myth (when I got the hdhomerun), my ati card wasn't hacking it (would have been fine if myth did vidix) |
| 06:43.07 | tuple | so I begged and found this geforce4 |
| 06:43.19 | tuple | workin' great |
| 06:43.33 | tensai | any special config required? |
| 06:43.47 | tuple | for myth? |
| 06:43.52 | tuple | no, it assumes you have xv |
| 06:43.54 | tensai | myth or x |
| 06:44.00 | tuple | no, not for x |
| 06:44.07 | tuple | mplayer -vo xv ... |
| 06:44.38 | tuple | one problem I've seen with this card is when using xv large resolutions are teh fail |
| 06:44.42 | tuple | weird display problems |
| 06:44.58 | tuple | if I don't use xv (i.e. with mplayer -vo x11) then it seems to go away |
| 06:45.07 | tuple | but of course those are HD recordings and my compy can't keep up with them anyway |
| 06:45.39 | tuple | myth lets you set up playback profiles so that you can use xv or xvmc or neither or whatever based on the resolution |
| 06:45.55 | tensai | where is that set up? |
| 06:46.42 | tuple | mythfrontend setup/utilities -> tv settings -> playback |
| 06:47.02 | tuple | they have several presets and you can roll your own |
| 06:48.04 | tensai | hmm. I need to check that out. |
| 06:48.18 | tensai | I'm still learning the ropes with my myth |
| 06:48.57 | tensai | we keep the mythtv off most of the time because the psu is so darn loud |
| 06:48.59 | tuple | actually two settings there - which lib it uses to decode (apparently libmpeg is fster on some systems than ffmpeg, and vice versa) |
| 06:49.16 | tuple | and then which acceleration, if any, to use |
| 06:49.28 | tuple | xv, xvmc, opengl, quartz if you're on a mac... |
| 06:57.17 | tuple | 'night |
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| 08:10.03 | ibot | pong |
| 10:33.35 | sontek | did you guys know you can stick stuff to the top of the terminal with PS1? |
| 10:33.37 | sontek | i didn't :P |
| 10:34.25 | xbmodder_ | Did you know burning hard drives make you cry? |
| 10:34.42 | xbmodder_ | (Really, the plastic burning emits certain chemicals which cause you to emit tears) |
| 10:35.27 | xbmodder_ | I just experienced it |
| 10:35.47 | sontek | export PS1='\e[1A\e[s\e[H\e[37;44;1m\e[K \u@\h: \e[33;44;1m\w \e[199C\e[8D\e[37;44;1m [\A] \e[0m\e[u\n$ ' |
| 10:35.50 | sontek | best PS1 ever |
| 10:37.16 | xbmodder_ | ok |
| 10:37.19 | xbmodder_ | that's neat. |
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| 12:33.02 | sontek | http://stuffthathappens.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/programmer-job.png |
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| 13:28.53 | keldwud | tschhkkplink or tcchhkkpop? |
| 13:29.09 | keldwud | which is the better onomodapeia |
| 13:29.16 | keldwud | I can never spell that word btw |
| 14:06.45 | elg | tensai: hey, looks like modern Xorg has this thing called -novtswitch and -sharevts |
| 14:06.52 | elg | -novtswitch don't immediately switch to new VT |
| 14:06.53 | elg | -sharevts share VTs with another X server |
| 14:07.39 | elg | that gives you completely independent X servers. people use it to have multiple X users (multiseat X) |
| 14:07.50 | elg | they have to do all sorts of input device configuring too |
| 14:08.02 | elg | the only question really is whether it'll work with one video card |
| 14:12.24 | elg | looks like no, according to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MultiseatX |
| 14:32.30 | tensai | elg: bummer |
| 14:33.54 | tensai | but it makes sense. even though the card has two outputs I'm sure there are lots of components that there are only one of, and that would create contention between the x servers. |
| 14:34.02 | elg | yeah |
| 14:43.39 | elg | is setting up a 64-bit transcoding experiment |
| 14:55.34 | keldwud | still workin on that eh elg? |
| 14:56.36 | tensai | elg: I couldn't find any xv options in mythtv |
| 14:56.42 | keldwud | damn, I am stuck in Beneath a Steel Sky. Anybody remember that game and want to give me a clue? |
| 14:56.48 | elg | did you find the playback profiles? |
| 14:57.03 | tensai | but I switched my player from Internal to mplayer and that cleared up the choppy video I was having |
| 14:57.16 | tensai | I found playback groups |
| 14:57.32 | tensai | and recording groups |
| 14:57.41 | tensai | but I didn't see xv in any of them |
| 14:57.57 | elg | wait, you did what? |
| 14:58.20 | tensai | I dunno. it was late last night. |
| 14:58.44 | elg | is this for mythtv as in recording from tv, or is it mythvideo plugin for watching stuff you already got? |
| 14:58.53 | tensai | playing |
| 14:59.10 | elg | so not tv capture? |
| 14:59.40 | tensai | well, both I suppose. but I was having choppy video when playing .mkv files. |
| 14:59.59 | elg | myth has a rather pitiful distinction between "video" (e.g. torrents you downloaded) and "recordings" which is what you record off tv |
| 15:00.06 | tensai | tv capture seems to work well except that my hdhomerun is dropping frames |
| 15:00.14 | elg | oh? |
| 15:00.40 | tensai | yeah. I confirmed it using vlc. |
| 15:00.43 | elg | so mythvideo will let you use mplayer to play stuff |
| 15:00.53 | elg | might even be the default |
| 15:01.11 | elg | in that case, you edit the default mplayer command flags somewhere in mythvideo settings |
| 15:01.29 | elg | for playing back recorded TV, you do the whole playback profile thing |
| 15:01.30 | tensai | yes I managed that |
| 15:01.44 | elg | and afaict there's no way not to use myth's internal player there |
| 15:09.12 | elg | so if you figured that out, let me know indeed |
| 15:09.49 | tensai | mplayer is just for videos, not for live tv. that's still using the internal player. |
| 15:10.35 | elg | ok |
| 15:10.48 | elg | to make sure that's using xv, go to the tv settings, then to playback |
| 15:11.07 | elg | there will be in there somewhere a screen that is labeled playback profiles |
| 15:11.13 | elg | with a big "add new" button |
| 15:12.30 | tensai | hmm. well I'll look again. |
| 15:13.17 | elg | i think that screen uses XVideo instead of XV |
| 15:13.24 | elg | and the default profile may not be using xv |
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| 16:39.41 | elg | yay for unscientific empirical tests |
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| 20:09.33 | Supaplex | ~test elg |
| 20:09.34 | ibot | Testing elg... ROM BASIC NOT FOUND$#$ |
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| 21:17.46 | levi | "Let's talk about Open Source, but no one had better bring up any politics!" |
| 21:19.55 | Sargun | hehe |
| 21:38.08 | Heartsbane | after Bush is done being President, I say we ask him to be ambassador to IRAQ! |
| 21:43.37 | nick125 | good idea |
| 21:48.49 | Sargun | Heartsbane, of course! |
| 21:48.54 | Sargun | Heartsbane, better yet North Korea! |
| 22:30.15 | nick125 | better yet, lets send Sargun |
| 22:30.35 | Sargun | -_- |
| 22:31.10 | nick125 | can see them shipping Sargun back in one of these: http://gizmodo.com/381166/human-shipping-materials-not-the-most-comfortable-way-to-travel |
| 22:31.44 | nick125 | Just hope they don't forget to write the RMA # on the package :p |
| 22:31.58 | Sargun | nick125, It took me amount 10 hours to figure out how to add a port to a vlan for this switch |
| 22:32.16 | nick125 | haha |
| 22:32.39 | nick125 | Sargun: You should've called the Geek Squad...god that would be funny |
| 22:33.02 | Sargun | -_- |
| 22:34.01 | Sargun | nick125, I would rather impale myself with findlay |
| 22:34.58 | nick125 | Sargun: I could see it now...a Geek Squad tech trying to fiddle with a bunch of juniper routers |
| 22:36.00 | nick125 | http://consumerist.com/381845/let-best-buy-professionally-install-your-xbox-games |
| 22:37.33 | Sargun | lol |
| 22:51.19 | Sargun | nick125, Better yet who Cisco a cray |
| 22:51.35 | Sargun | Err, geek squad a cray |
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| 23:19.05 | levi | Man, I'm so hungry all the time, and I'm gaining weight at an alarming rate. |
| 23:24.11 | Sargun | Try Celery |
| 23:25.22 | Sargun | Its low calorie, high volume. |
| 23:25.49 | lakshmi | water weight |
| 23:27.43 | synic | evict the tapeworm... they are nothing but bad news, despite what they might have told you. |
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| 23:37.26 | Supaplex | ~lart tapeworm |
| 23:37.26 | ibot | urinates on tapeworm |
