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| 02:12.58 | levi | shakes Mr. Ed. |
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| 02:15.56 | levi | Awesome, UDOT is widening Redwood from Saratoga Springs to Bangerter. |
| 02:16.17 | levi | It will then have a shoulder, and I'll be able to use that route safely on my bike. |
| 02:21.44 | tensai | levi: heh @ your plug comment |
| 02:23.07 | levi | tensai: He totally deserved that. |
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| 02:55.09 | Supaplex | ~find yesterdays recepits |
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| 03:31.08 | whiteley | and once again, the plug list self destructs. |
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| 03:55.21 | ph4se | anyone around that has experience with RT (Request Tracker)? |
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| 04:24.52 | findlay | levi: what I'm looking for is a pluggable frontend that fully supports SQL. So far oobase seems to do what I need. I've just been having some trouble with java on linux |
| 04:25.24 | nick125 | findlay: What are you looking for? |
| 04:29.04 | findlay | nick125: not really looking right now. I'm experimenting with oobase as a postgres frontend |
| 04:29.13 | nick125 | aah |
| 04:29.29 | nick125 | I used to use knoda a long time ago...it's like Access, in a weird sense. |
| 04:29.43 | nick125 | it interfaces with hk_classes, which interfaces with mysql, sqlite and postgres |
| 04:29.53 | findlay | seems like everybody has their favorite one :) |
| 04:30.04 | findlay | maybe I should write all these down |
| 04:30.08 | nick125 | lol |
| 04:30.16 | nick125 | Or maybe you could use a database for them ;-) |
| 04:31.46 | sontek | I've never seen oobase, it looks interesting |
| 04:32.02 | findlay | sontek: 'like access' :) |
| 04:32.05 | sontek | the other day I was looking for a *good* db gui, best I could find was db visualizer, but its not free |
| 04:32.08 | findlay | which is what we currently have |
| 04:32.21 | sontek | I just need something to run queries in |
| 04:32.32 | findlay | sontek: why not some ORM? |
| 04:32.33 | sontek | and inspect tables |
| 04:32.51 | findlay | perl DBI or SQL Alchemy |
| 04:33.01 | sontek | findlay: I am using an ORM, I mean for when I need to inspect data in the db by myself |
| 04:33.06 | sontek | not inside an application of any kind |
| 04:33.10 | findlay | oh |
| 04:33.37 | findlay | I don't understand. You want to execute raw SQL statements? |
| 04:33.53 | herlo | SQL is never raw, its always cooked! |
| 04:35.31 | findlay | herlo: does GL ensure that you get your safe handler's permit for raw SQL? |
| 04:35.55 | sontek | findlay: correct |
| 04:36.30 | herlo | findlay: of course |
| 04:37.02 | findlay | sontek: why do you want something more than a text editor and a SQL prompt out of curiosity? |
| 04:37.28 | findlay | ~burn herlo's SQL |
| 04:37.29 | ibot | ACTION pours gasoline all over herlo's SQL, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze |
| 04:37.36 | findlay | that should do it |
| 04:37.39 | herlo | ~travolta findlay |
| 04:37.40 | ibot | ACTION replaces findlay with several craters in a multi-colored display of superior fire power |
| 04:37.42 | sontek | findlay: because a console SQL prompt is very hard to read when there is large amounts of data |
| 04:38.02 | sontek | findlay: a tool that returns the data in a spreadsheet like manner where I can view the columns easily is better |
| 04:38.10 | findlay | sontek: I'm very intrigued |
| 04:38.42 | findlay | in a general sense, I've never seen anybody come up with a meaningful transcendence of the command line |
| 04:39.41 | findlay | just what altogether amounts to a bag of tricks that trick out the existing concept of a shell |
| 04:39.48 | sontek | I would love a good ncurses interface fofr a sql query tool |
| 04:40.03 | sontek | but the current tools out there just return all the data, and place new lines when it wraps |
| 04:40.10 | sontek | so columns don't line up and you can't ready anything |
| 04:40.13 | findlay | I guess a spreadsheet makes sense |
| 04:41.35 | findlay | an ncurses (or slang) spreadsheet would be interesting :) |
| 04:42.26 | sontek | I've thought about taking a hack at it, It'd be easy to do in most languages, they all have odbc and ncurses wrappers |
| 04:42.36 | sontek | but I need to finish some projects first |
| 04:47.00 | findlay | a spreadsheet is one area where a cursor can really help simplify things |
| 04:47.18 | findlay | an ncurses one may seem a little clunky |
| 04:47.57 | findlay | if you can't easily fit the data into reasonably sized cells I guess |
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| 05:36.22 | sargun | whoa, that took a while |
| 05:43.21 | lakshmi | sargun what took a while? |
| 05:43.29 | findlay | while sargun |
| 05:43.46 | findlay | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:55.58 | lakshmi | hey findlay |
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| 06:02.59 | findlay | while sargun: take(lakshmi) |
| 06:14.48 | findlay | acronyms/conractions are terribly unimaginative as neologisms |
| 06:15.42 | findlay | contractions less so, but we already have this huge litany of tens of thousands of words staked up back into antiquity to mine |
| 06:16.15 | findlay | and other languages too |
| 06:16.52 | findlay | silly humans |
| 06:18.12 | Supaplex | tricks are for breakfast? |
| 06:18.28 | findlay | acronyms are unimaginative because they are a cheap way of contracting a multi word description of something that deserves the blessing of a single, meaningful name |
| 06:18.41 | findlay | is it breakfast time already? |
| 06:18.51 | levi | Not quite yet. |
| 06:21.10 | findlay | levi: I ran my car up to 7000 RPM's today :-) |
| 06:21.30 | levi | findlay: Nice. :) |
| 06:21.35 | findlay | the tach goes up to 8000, but the redline is at 6500 |
| 06:21.48 | findlay | didn't hit the revlimit, though |
| 06:22.22 | findlay | actually I'm kind of afraid of throwing a rod |
| 06:57.02 | lakshmi | what? |
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| 13:45.49 | elg | ~wow |
| 13:45.50 | ibot | I have no life | Lets go raid! |
| 13:45.52 | elg | what a piece of work |
| 13:48.11 | elg | i love how he goes on about immaturity. this is the guy that wouldn't use capitalization, punctuation, or proper spelling when he first showed up because it was too conformist |
| 13:48.21 | elg | and then wanted us to take him seriously |
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| 14:33.01 | keldwud | oh thank goodness, I got my EEE PC back |
| 14:33.19 | keldwud | or I could just say that was a *very* long bike ride :) |
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| 15:23.36 | keldwud | damn, my wordpress is broken. |
| 15:23.47 | keldwud | I can't upload pics for some reason. |
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| 15:42.41 | elg | ~rlart |
| 15:42.41 | ibot | beats Zelut to within 2.54cm of his life |
| 15:44.17 | Zelut | takes the 2.54cm of remaining life and slithers away... |
| 15:45.02 | elg | so, 64 bit, is it worth it? |
| 15:47.12 | tensai | probably not |
| 15:48.20 | keldwud | unless you have BeOS :) |
| 15:48.21 | keldwud | heh |
| 15:49.32 | tensai | elg: what are you hoping to accomplish with 64 bits that can't be done with 32? |
| 15:49.38 | tensai | after all, 640k is enough for anybody |
| 15:49.41 | elg | :) |
| 15:50.04 | elg | tensai: well, I'm under the impression that it just may give an edge to video transcoding |
| 15:50.27 | elg | i've had this 64 bit machine for years, and never had a reason to go 64 bit |
| 15:50.41 | elg | but if it makes a big difference in transcoding, it might be worth it |
| 15:51.59 | keldwud | haha tensai |
| 15:53.27 | tensai | well if you've got it, flaunt it, right? |
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| 15:54.07 | keldwud | ~irc watching porn |
| 15:54.08 | ibot | Oh IRC, why do you distract me so from watching porn? |
| 15:54.08 | tensai | I've only got hearsay and conjecture about 64 bits, so don't mind me |
| 15:54.47 | keldwud | oh wow, I see supaplex in here AND in xmlounge on a different server :) what a small world |
| 15:55.16 | tensai | ~smack keldwud |
| 15:55.18 | ibot | ACTION smacks keldwud upside the head. |
| 15:55.44 | keldwud | hehe |
| 15:57.00 | elg | i'm all about flaunting, but I don't want flaunting 64 bit to become a full-time job :) |
| 15:57.47 | elg | downloads bubuntu 8.04rc2 |
| 15:57.51 | keldwud | ibot should play a sound clip from the gap band when emoting the smack. |
| 15:57.58 | elg | oh, just kidding. rc (only) |
| 15:58.07 | keldwud | "oops upside your head, oops upside yo' head" |
| 16:10.51 | sontek | yayaay |
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| 16:25.39 | keldwud | hey anybody know any good reasons why a connection will intermittently drop and then not come back until a power cycle is completed? |
| 16:25.48 | keldwud | happens with different routers |
| 16:25.52 | keldwud | different cables |
| 16:26.00 | keldwud | and have ruled out the ISP |
| 16:26.16 | elg | bad nic? |
| 16:26.27 | elg | bad driver? |
| 16:26.32 | elg | have you tried rmmod/insmod? |
| 16:26.36 | keldwud | yeah that was what I was working to. |
| 16:26.59 | keldwud | haven't tried rmmod/insmod yet |
| 16:27.27 | keldwud | I am thinking of running diags on card next and checking the driver. |
| 16:29.33 | keldwud | could it be anything as high as the application layer though? like the o/s or other programs messing around with something? |
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| 16:38.26 | keldwud | -hic- |
| 16:40.26 | elg | can nvidia do two screens as two different X sessions, and do acceleration on both? |
| 16:42.00 | keldwud | ohman, trying to troubleshoot 5 computers and 3 routers. started three days ago. |
| 16:42.22 | keldwud | lose connection and powercycle fixes issue. |
| 16:50.29 | keldwud | hey what's an AP in context of Utopia? |
| 16:50.50 | keldwud | oh wait, n/m |
| 16:50.53 | keldwud | access portal |
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| 17:41.49 | bonez44 | anyone around today? |
| 17:41.53 | bonez44 | I need help with ssh |
| 17:45.27 | keldwud | i would phail |
| 17:45.47 | keldwud | have you tried |
| 17:46.00 | keldwud | http://shutupandgoogleit.com/ yet? ;) hehe. j/k. |
| 17:46.03 | brac | [shut up and google it] |
| 17:46.20 | keldwud | it's a real site. |
| 17:46.21 | keldwud | :) |
| 17:47.11 | keldwud | sadly I would not be of much help with ssh, I can only provide jests. |
| 17:50.08 | bonez44 | always a clown in the audience, eh? always a clown around |
| 17:50.51 | keldwud | well I have to be a clown to make up for my lack of technical experience :) |
| 17:51.10 | keldwud | I use it as a mask to hide my insecurities behind |
| 17:51.31 | bonez44 | excellent |
| 17:51.34 | keldwud | but besides that, did anyone catch the cool new story over at http://waxy.org/2008/04/milliways_infocoms_unreleased_sequel_to_hitchhikers_guide_to_the_galax/ |
| 17:51.35 | keldwud | ? |
| 17:51.41 | whiteinge | I may not be much help, but what's the ssh question? |
| 17:51.59 | keldwud | bonez44: I hope you were tapping your fingers together gently when you said that :) |
| 17:52.16 | keldwud | and maybe even draw out the sillibant syllable a little bit |
| 17:53.20 | bonez44 | whiteinge: well, I can use ssh at work, on my LAN there, to access my mail machine..server..but if I am at home .. I can't ssh to it, even though I can access the machine via logmein to another machine and then ssh from it to that server machine... |
| 17:53.42 | elg | oh wow |
| 17:54.16 | bonez44 | elg? any ideas? |
| 17:54.18 | keldwud | I volunteer that it is a port issue on his system at home |
| 17:54.36 | keldwud | or is this a laptop that you take to all those places? |
| 17:54.43 | elg | sounds like a firewall |
| 17:54.49 | elg | i was wowing kewldud's link |
| 17:54.57 | keldwud | haha elg :) |
| 17:54.58 | bonez44 | I WAS able to ssh to work yesterday from the machine I am on now.... |
| 17:55.01 | bonez44 | but today.. I can't... |
| 17:55.09 | bonez44 | firewall, eh? |
| 17:55.14 | elg | i don't know what logmein is |
| 17:55.21 | keldwud | what has changed between yesterday and today? |
| 17:55.26 | bonez44 | the target ssh machine runs linux/debian... and I don't run iptables on it... |
| 17:55.34 | elg | static ip? |
| 17:55.38 | bonez44 | so woudl the firewall be on this win xp machine from which I am sshin'g? |
| 17:55.43 | bonez44 | yeah, it's a static ip... |
| 17:55.47 | elg | what isp? |
| 17:55.52 | bonez44 | comcast |
| 17:56.07 | elg | ok, so we can't rule out an evil firewall somewhere at comcast |
| 17:56.07 | keldwud | they are notorious for blocking certain traffic |
| 17:56.10 | bonez44 | I have port 22 forwarded in my router there, routing to the desired machine |
| 17:56.24 | elg | ah, and a maybe-flaky router |
| 17:56.43 | elg | so your router has a static ip, and port-forwards 22 to your ssh box on the lan |
| 17:56.51 | bonez44 | yeah, elg, exactly... |
| 17:57.01 | elg | any other services you can or can't get to on that box? |
| 17:57.11 | keldwud | has your windows machine updated itself recently? like since the last time you were able to connect? that could have changed the security settings on the firewall. |
| 17:57.17 | bonez44 | the router is fairly new... 5 months old...wrtp54g.. it's a linksys with 2 voice ports...which I use with Vonage... |
| 17:57.31 | bonez44 | I can access a web and mailman which run on that machine JUST FINE |
| 17:57.33 | elg | so it's probably good |
| 17:57.46 | elg | if it worked yesterday probably configured right (unless you touched the router) |
| 17:57.50 | elg | ok, so it's just ssh |
| 17:57.54 | keldwud | I still blame something blocking the port from the windows side. |
| 17:58.06 | bonez44 | wait..I take that back..now .. at the moment it seems I can NOT access mailman on there... |
| 17:58.09 | keldwud | updates always screw things up. |
| 17:58.11 | elg | what IP? I can see if ssh is listening |
| 17:58.15 | bonez44 | even though I can access the routers' webmin page |
| 17:58.25 | bonez44 | ip... wel, it's for fyrenice.com |
| 17:58.32 | bonez44 | I don't have it memorized... |
| 17:58.40 | elg | dns works |
| 17:58.51 | bonez44 | ok |
| 17:59.05 | elg | ok, I get ssh |
| 17:59.09 | elg | can't log in obviously |
| 17:59.16 | elg | but I get ssh asking for a password |
| 17:59.20 | bonez44 | I figure if I can access the router's web page..it should work |
| 17:59.24 | elg | so if you don't from where you are, blame windows probably |
| 17:59.36 | bonez44 | oh, I get a login password prompt... |
| 17:59.46 | bonez44 | but when I supply the password it fails.. |
| 17:59.51 | bonez44 | I'll paste here...hold a sec |
| 18:01.19 | bonez44 | I get this : login as: scott and then it shows scott@75.144.9.237's password: and I provide it... and then it shows Access denied and prompts again for password |
| 18:01.37 | elg | well, sounds like you failed to authenticate |
| 18:01.46 | elg | you sure you remember your password? caps lock? |
| 18:01.57 | elg | right username? |
| 18:02.04 | bonez44 | yeah, I am using the right name and pass |
| 18:02.18 | bonez44 | I can connect to a windows box on office lan...running win xp.. |
| 18:02.20 | elg | not according to ssh |
| 18:02.33 | bonez44 | and on that box, I bring up putty, and then connect and I can ssh there JUST FINE..with the same use and pass |
| 18:02.53 | bonez44 | is it the fault with ssh...er...putty on my home win xp box? |
| 18:03.08 | elg | wouldn't hurt to grab the latest putty |
| 18:03.16 | bonez44 | I DID...earlier today.... |
| 18:03.24 | elg | mysterious |
| 18:03.30 | bonez44 | and I went into the registry and tried to wipe out any trace of putty... |
| 18:03.40 | bonez44 | and then d/l'd the latest version... |
| 18:04.14 | bonez44 | maybe I should ahve the office machine reboot....er... reboot the router...oh, wait..I can't remotely reboot it, can I |
| 18:04.35 | elg | i really really doubt it has anything to do with the server |
| 18:04.45 | elg | if you can log in from putty somewhere, then ssh is working fine |
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| 18:05.51 | bonez44 | on the router..I check the router table...er. DHCP table..and it doesn't show the subnet address for the target machine...since it has statically assigned internal ip.. |
| 18:06.07 | bonez44 | elg: even if the log in using putty is from a machine on the same network? |
| 18:08.51 | bonez44 | elg: this is too weird...but the linksys software, includes an item...under Administration...Management for Remote Router Access...it has Web and then a port to assign, and then Secure Shell. it was Enabled..and once I disabled it..it works now... |
| 18:08.57 | bonez44 | very odd, in my opinion |
| 18:09.52 | elg | no |
| 18:09.56 | elg | remote access via ssh |
| 18:10.05 | elg | you were trying to log into the router, and didn't use the right user/pass |
| 18:10.28 | bonez44 | so, for whom or what purpose does the router Enable ssh .. if it clearly does NOT enable it when I attempt to ssh in to a machine behind said router? |
| 18:10.34 | bonez44 | ah..... |
| 18:10.35 | bonez44 | I see.. |
| 18:10.46 | whiteing1 | anyone else get booted from freenode just now? |
| 18:11.01 | bonez44 | so, the ssh there, means that any incoming ssh requests, go to the router and not through it....to a target machine |
| 18:11.13 | keldwud | no boot here whiteing1 |
| 18:11.39 | bonez44 | it's just you, whiteing |
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| 20:36.33 | findlay | is it possible to spoof a From email header? |
| 20:37.10 | elg | sure |
| 20:37.12 | findlay | I've just all of the sudden gotten 400 failure notices this morning |
| 20:37.15 | elg | if you have the opportunity |
| 20:37.30 | findlay | elg: so how do I stop it? |
| 20:37.36 | elg | stop what? |
| 20:37.59 | findlay | people from spoofing their From address to be my domain |
| 20:38.04 | elg | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_job |
| 20:38.37 | elg | basically, you don't |
| 20:38.45 | elg | then you get fed up |
| 20:38.49 | findlay | well, is there anything I can do about it? |
| 20:38.53 | elg | then you come up with this crazy idea |
| 20:38.55 | elg | you call it spf |
| 20:38.58 | elg | everyone loves it |
| 20:39.02 | elg | but it's horribly broken and ruins the internet |
| 20:39.05 | elg | congratulations |
| 20:39.29 | elg | then microsoft kind of copies your idea but screws it up even more |
| 20:39.50 | elg | which means now nobody sane can email msn addresses and trust the users will actually get them |
| 20:40.23 | elg | so in short, no |
| 20:40.27 | findlay | microsoft loves to do that |
| 20:40.33 | elg | you might be able to curtail it somewhat if you adopt spf |
| 20:40.40 | elg | but that's something I can't encourage you to do |
| 20:40.46 | findlay | why? |
| 20:40.53 | elg | because spf is considered harmful |
| 20:41.26 | elg | but you specifying an spf rule won't really hurt anything |
| 20:41.43 | elg | unless someone out there is doing some internet-wide survey of who publishes spf rules |
| 20:42.24 | elg | if you do, then major mail servers that use spf will query your spf record, see they're not authorized to be you, and reject the mail (or mark it as spam) |
| 20:42.52 | elg | and that includes you, if you are, say, using a laptop in a hotel in florida |
| 21:00.59 | sargun | elg, Someone is. IIRC renesys was looking at it. |
| 21:01.24 | sargun | and I think there are SA rules |
| 21:03.14 | elg | someone is what? |
| 21:03.18 | elg | in a hotel in florida? |
| 21:04.46 | sargun | That too. |
| 21:05.13 | sargun | But doing an internet wide survey of SPF records, amongst other anti-spam measures |
| 21:05.17 | sargun | they own a root server. |
| 21:05.26 | sargun | so they watch for SPF record queries |
| 21:05.41 | elg | i see |
| 21:13.02 | nick125 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:13.02 | nick125 | er |
| 21:17.13 | nick125 | is bored |
| 21:17.15 | nick125 | sargun: What's up? |
| 21:21.38 | nick125 | what the heck, for some reason saves to my microSD card are randomly failing |
| 21:33.12 | sargun | weird |
| 21:36.14 | nick125 | goes treo app trying |
| 21:36.54 | Supaplex | sup keldwud |
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| 22:30.18 | levi | elg: Immaturity = behaving in ways other than I do. :P |
| 22:31.30 | elg | :) |
| 22:34.37 | nick125 | hmmm...I need a longer VGA cable to reach my server |
| 22:35.03 | fozzmoo | Get a VGA-to-Cat5 balun set. :) |
| 22:35.36 | nick125 | I need like...10ft more |
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| 23:50.20 | herlo | jsmith-away: ping |