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| 01:41.25 | findlay | yay? |
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| 01:49.25 | levi | Yo. |
| 02:10.19 | elg | levi: does your hdhomerun IR work? |
| 02:11.42 | sontek | :) |
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| 02:44.38 | nick125 | Anyone here know of a good phone headset (2.5mm)? I lost the eartip on my Palm Pro headset, so I might as well look for a new headset (It doesn't look like Palm sells replacement eartips, either). I'd like something that has decent sound quality and any kind of noise cancelling would be good. Wind/other noise reduction in the microphone would be nice too. Any ideas? |
| 02:51.33 | elg | nick125: http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/cellphone/7830/ |
| 02:51.35 | brac | [ThinkGeek :: Retro Phone Handset] |
| 02:51.48 | nick125 | hahah |
| 02:52.02 | elg | i actually have the bluetooth one and love it |
| 02:52.18 | nick125 | I want a *normal* headset :p |
| 02:56.18 | levi | elg: I haven't tried my hdhomerun's ir. |
| 02:58.59 | levi | And if I ever get a bluetooth cell phone, I'm getting me one of those retro handsets. :) |
| 03:05.27 | elg | i don't have any cell phone |
| 03:05.31 | elg | let alone a bluetooth one |
| 03:05.41 | elg | I use it as a voip handset (laptop has bluetooth) |
| 03:07.07 | levi | Ahh, cool. |
| 03:07.35 | levi | I just use a regular phone for that via a PAP2 or whatever it is. |
| 03:10.05 | levi | Wow, UVSC fixed their Blackboard setup so I don't have to log in a second time and click through a billion pages to get to my classes anymore. |
| 03:12.16 | elg | snickers at jesse's facebook ad dilmena |
| 03:12.39 | elg | levi: yeah, we have that at home, I use the headset at school, or wherever I want to take it with my laptop |
| 03:12.52 | elg | it's only good in the immediate vicinity of the laptop |
| 03:13.23 | levi | I never got a vpn set up to use voip from work, so I just use my cell phone. |
| 03:17.12 | nick125 | Anyone here try/use Shure headsets? I'm wondering if they're worth the $$. |
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| 03:36.14 | vontrapp | who uses rtorrent and told me they can do directory saving? |
| 03:36.27 | Supaplex | *yawn* |
| 03:36.32 | vontrapp | er, that is, automatic directory choosing based on regexp or some such |
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| 03:50.08 | findlay | ~random |
| 03:50.48 | sargun_screen | Would anyone here pay $300/mo for a 11 mbit/sec download connection? |
| 03:50.57 | sargun_screen | 1 mbit/sec up |
| 03:51.34 | findlay | sargun_screen: I get 14 Mib up and down for $40 :) |
| 03:52.04 | sargun_screen | Damn Utahnians with their fiber and other shaningans |
| 03:52.10 | nick125 | lol |
| 03:53.22 | findlay | so, no, unless you have a really good reason |
| 03:53.53 | sargun_screen | IPv6 |
| 03:54.44 | findlay | UTOPIA is the largest municipal fiber network in the country, and it subliminally indoctrinats socialism according to the Utah Taxpayer Association |
| 03:55.04 | findlay | sargun_screen: hm, that's tempting |
| 03:55.35 | sargun_screen | Imagine all those extra bits! |
| 03:55.51 | findlay | ipv6 r0x0rz v4 |
| 04:01.39 | Supaplex | ya THINK? |
| 04:07.44 | levi | Awesome, my compiler seems to be doing ifs and whiles correctly, and also cins and couts. |
| 04:08.12 | sargun_screen | Cool. |
| 04:09.53 | levi | Now I just need to get it doing activation records properly, keeping track of object variable and array offsets, and other such fun things. |
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| 04:44.46 | levi | Ugh, I'm going to have to back-patch return addresses into my target code. |
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| 05:41.06 | findlay | Supaplex: Y |
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| 05:53.32 | findlay | Sargun: how do you feel: |
| 05:53.39 | findlay | a) undetermined |
| 05:53.45 | findlay | b) cowboyneal |
| 05:53.51 | Sargun | <findlay> b) cowboyneal |
| 05:54.20 | findlay | excellent. You dominate |
| 05:54.31 | Sargun | no |
| 05:54.37 | findlay | 1 |
| 05:54.53 | Sargun | <findlay> c) findlay |
| 05:55.04 | findlay | -chat about Sargun |
| 05:55.05 | brac | Sargun is assuming its a bad song? |
| 05:55.11 | findlay | probably |
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| 13:49.03 | sontek | http://kevin.vox.com/library/post/post.html |
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| 14:57.22 | elg | "we the people can change health care" |
| 14:57.35 | elg | "we the red blood cells can change this obesity problem" |
| 14:57.55 | elg | (in that one body, of course) |
| 15:00.50 | ^Migs^ | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080418/ap_on_re_us/art_hoax;_ylt=AjXYp9KFdGZM9JZX9JCIXbIuQE4F |
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| 15:03.02 | elg | what a nut |
| 15:03.11 | elg | conveniently coincide with her period? |
| 15:04.59 | elg | i'm no gynecologist, but my wife had a miscarriage (not at 28 days, a little further along). I doubt the body is ready for another go month after month |
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| 15:06.35 | trip0 | what's the equivalent to "fdisk -l" in solaris? |
| 15:06.53 | ^Migs^ | I know |
| 15:06.54 | elg | apt-get install linux |
| 15:06.55 | ^Migs^ | what a useless girl |
| 15:06.59 | ^Migs^ | she's in hiding now |
| 15:07.04 | ^Migs^ | "Groups for and against abortion rights expressed outrage over the affair." |
| 15:07.16 | ^Migs^ | she's going to get a serious buttkicking if anyone finds her |
| 15:07.26 | elg | someone at yale admissions is getting the grill |
| 15:08.58 | jsmith | I'll bet |
| 15:09.21 | trip0 | heh, "apt-get install linux" is working! |
| 15:10.08 | ^Migs^ | apt-get install windows |
| 15:10.24 | trip0 | "bad command or filename" |
| 15:10.39 | ^Migs^ | that command should just give you a BSOD |
| 15:11.04 | trip0 | lol |
| 15:11.25 | goozbach | not that you guys are interested, but I've posted my after action report from a presentation I did last night: http://blog.friocorte.com/presentation-storage/presentation/ |
| 15:11.44 | ^Migs^ | I'm now interested because you tried to tell me I'm not interested |
| 15:12.07 | goozbach | ^Migs^: then don't listen to this song: http://www.jonathancoulton.com/songdetails/Stroller%20Town |
| 15:12.38 | ^Migs^ | k, listening now |
| 15:13.13 | trip0 | is there any other unix command to list the device mounts? |
| 15:13.19 | trip0 | other than fdisk -l ? |
| 15:15.03 | Supaplex | cat /proc/partitions ? |
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| 15:17.14 | goozbach | mount |
| 15:17.20 | goozbach | cat /etc/mtab |
| 15:18.25 | elg | mount | vgrep |
| 15:20.33 | findlay | there's probably some /dev and/or /sys information you could look at |
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| 15:25.49 | sjansen | http://www.mdk.org.pl/2008/4/18/nordea-sucks |
| 15:25.50 | brac | [MDK |
| 15:25.50 | brac | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:25.50 | brac | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:39.04 | encryptz | Supaplex: that could be lying to you, actually |
| 15:51.56 | tensai | or maybe encryptz is lying to you |
| 15:53.20 | encryptz | i'm not. the kernel could be though |
| 15:57.11 | tensai | jsmith-lunch could be eating your kernel for lunch |
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| 16:04.59 | Supaplex | the kernel and the disk may disagree, but that's usually because the partition table wasn't reloaded (eg, maybe it's still in use) |
| 16:08.23 | sjansen | Did someone say partition table reloads? Has partprobe already been mentioned? |
| 16:09.05 | sjansen | Of course, you'll have to umount any filesystem using the old partition(s). Deactivate any swap devices. Destroy any RAID members. Etc. |
| 16:09.31 | sjansen | o/~ I'm so smart. S. M. R. T. ~/o |
| 16:12.40 | tensai | ~light sjansen on fire |
| 16:13.52 | elg | here we call that burn |
| 16:13.54 | elg | ~burn sjansen |
| 16:13.54 | ibot | ACTION pours gasoline all over sjansen, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze |
| 16:16.20 | tensai | elg: did I tell you about my sourdough post-hooch? |
| 16:16.40 | elg | just that it worked out |
| 16:16.42 | elg | but i love details |
| 16:19.10 | tensai | I poured off the hooch and added flour and water. I reserved a little of that immediately in the fridge. |
| 16:19.39 | tensai | the bread turned out quite delicious. the kids snuck in and ate a bunch yesterday morning. |
| 16:20.10 | tensai | I think the dough over rose though. doesn't seemed to have made much difference though. |
| 16:20.34 | tensai | and even though the start is definitely alive, I don't have much of a sour taste to the bread |
| 16:24.08 | elg | "Prestige is like a powerful magnet that warps even your beliefs about what you enjoy. It causes you to work not on what you like, but what you'd like to like." |
| 16:24.59 | elg | the mysteries of sourness |
| 16:25.08 | elg | you get people telling all kinds of things, in search of that sour |
| 16:25.21 | elg | long ferments with little start. short ferments with lots of start |
| 16:25.26 | elg | cold, warm |
| 16:25.36 | tensai | I'm not sure I want the sourness though. I kinda like what I've got. |
| 16:26.01 | elg | i like the complex flavor with or without the twang |
| 16:26.20 | elg | i've never made white bread that was tooo sour, but I have done it with whole wheat |
| 16:26.42 | elg | but my brother in law thought it was the best thing since steel wool |
| 16:27.08 | tensai | I don't think I'd like steel wool bread either |
| 16:27.16 | elg | :) |
| 16:27.41 | elg | what method did you use? |
| 16:27.56 | elg | i.e. how long was the dough alive before baking? |
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| 16:29.03 | tensai | normally I take half my start (100g) from the fridge, add 350g of flour and 200g of water, and let it rise at room temp |
| 16:29.29 | tensai | rise time depends. the other day it was about 5 hours |
| 16:29.42 | elg | sounds about right |
| 16:29.50 | elg | try an experiment for me? |
| 16:30.00 | tensai | I based it on your no-knead pdf, so it better be |
| 16:30.19 | elg | but you don't do the overnight |
| 16:30.28 | elg | just one rise |
| 16:30.29 | tensai | true. too lazy and forgetful. |
| 16:30.30 | elg | which is fine |
| 16:30.40 | elg | well that's what this experiment is all about |
| 16:31.04 | elg | do the same thing you do, but when you mix it put it in the fridge for 2 days to a week |
| 16:31.14 | elg | mix, refrigerate |
| 16:31.20 | elg | then take it out of the fridge and let it rise then bake it |
| 16:31.36 | elg | might take more time to rise because it's cold at first |
| 16:32.01 | elg | and see if the taste is substantially different |
| 16:32.53 | elg | even 1 day. whatever's convenient |
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| 16:37.23 | tensai | elg: I'll give it a shot |
| 16:40.39 | elg | and I assume you use salt ;-) |
| 16:42.32 | tensai | I do forget salt on occasion |
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| 16:53.54 | tensai | why haven't I received any email from netflix since 2/21? anybody else missing email from them? |
| 16:54.30 | sjansen | There is no Netflix, there is only Xul. |
| 17:04.27 | goozbach | tensai: got one last night |
| 17:06.45 | ^Migs^ | last.fm is down |
| 17:10.09 | tensai | goozbach: thanks |
| 17:12.11 | findlay | mrpull: ping |
| 17:14.30 | sjansen | ibot: ping |
| 17:14.31 | ibot | pong |
| 17:15.35 | tensai | ibot: ping pong |
| 17:15.35 | ibot | pong pong |
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| 17:28.29 | tensai | from a craiglist posting: "Also please no scams" |
| 17:28.40 | tensai | I'm sure that will discourage the scam artists |
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| 17:32.40 | elg | :-D |
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| 18:33.36 | tensai | so quiet today |
| 18:33.39 | tensai | ~rlart |
| 18:33.40 | ibot | beats Jayce^ into protomatter with the andromeda galaxy |
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| 18:43.35 | findlay | I'm having trouble getting openoffice to recognize the JRE I have installed. Does anybody know how to make it work? |
| 18:44.06 | elg | you have to sacrifice a green chicken |
| 18:45.03 | encryptz | is it chicken sacrifice today? sjansen was on that kick earlier. did i miss the memo? |
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| 18:46.40 | jsmith | encryptz: Only if it's a full moon. Since it's no longer a full moon, I think it's just the chicken's *liver* that's necessary... Or maybe it was the gizzard.... I always mix those up... |
| 18:46.49 | encryptz | ~sacrifice jsmith |
| 18:46.50 | ibot | ACTION sacrifices jsmith on an altar of Windows EULAs soaked in the blood of Perl. |
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| 18:47.20 | sinuhe` | Wow: that's quite the sacrifice. |
| 18:47.24 | encryptz | not PERL? |
| 18:47.30 | encryptz | hides |
| 18:52.43 | goozbach | encryptz: you should sacrifice a bucket of fried chicken :) |
| 18:52.52 | elg | -chat |
| 18:52.53 | brac | ~marry supaplex |
| 18:53.14 | elg | ooh, Supaplex and brac sitting in a tree |
| 18:53.22 | elg | ~spell kissing |
| 18:53.41 | tensai | when is it *not* appropriate to sacrifice a chicken, I ask. my answer is: never. |
| 18:53.56 | sjansen | Last time I had KFC, I swear I got food poisoning from something. |
| 18:53.58 | elg | the only real question is what to do with the eyes |
| 18:54.07 | sjansen | Kinda turned me off the whole bucket of chicken thing. |
| 18:54.15 | Supaplex | o.O |
| 18:54.34 | rsimpkins | sjansen: The coleslaw from KFC is well known for causing food poisoning. |
| 18:54.51 | sjansen | elg: Resell them as "Premium Jumbo Caviar" |
| 18:54.52 | Supaplex | I detest coleslaw |
| 18:55.10 | elg | now in green and blue! |
| 18:55.22 | encryptz | didn't tiger woods already sacrifice a bucket of fried chicken? |
| 18:55.41 | Supaplex | let's use thermite! |
| 18:55.44 | tensai | elg: did you see the Good Eats pretzel episode? |
| 18:55.49 | elg | yeah |
| 18:56.04 | tensai | when he broke out the lye, I thought of you :) |
| 18:56.18 | elg | :) |
| 18:57.15 | elg | pretzels are dumb |
| 18:57.23 | findlay | stupid openoffice |
| 18:57.33 | elg | theyre an ok snack, nothing special |
| 18:57.35 | elg | but a pain to make |
| 18:57.44 | elg | not a royal pain. more like a middle-class pain |
| 18:57.47 | findlay | stupid java |
| 18:57.47 | encryptz | findlay: work it out? |
| 18:57.52 | nick125 | I really wish that the guy at the Qwest CO would quit looking at my DSL line and saying "oo, I wonder what happens when I unplug THIS" |
| 18:58.02 | findlay | encryptz: I've been trying for the past hour |
| 18:58.26 | findlay | all I can find on the web is lots of other people with the same problem, who eventually gave up |
| 18:58.45 | encryptz | what do you need java for? |
| 18:58.51 | findlay | good question |
| 18:59.01 | unum | nick125: comcast does that to me too |
| 18:59.03 | findlay | ~lart oo for needing java |
| 18:59.03 | ibot | beats oo over the head with a microkernel for needing java |
| 18:59.03 | encryptz | i haven't seen the need for it in OOo yet |
| 18:59.09 | unum | then they come by and accuse me of stealing it |
| 18:59.12 | Sargun | sjansen, You know what's a good alternative to KFC? Long John Silver. |
| 18:59.18 | Sargun | They have equally awesome fried foods. |
| 18:59.20 | unum | they did that twice at my last apartment |
| 18:59.21 | findlay | encryptz: it wants it for oobase |
| 18:59.21 | Sargun | ;-) |
| 18:59.39 | encryptz | findlay: can't you run base without it? i swore you could |
| 18:59.50 | findlay | encryptz: not the parts I need |
| 18:59.52 | encryptz | admits to not using OOo for at least a year or so |
| 19:00.33 | sjansen | findlay: Let me save you time. oobase isn't worth the trouble. |
| 19:00.44 | findlay | sjansen: ok. What is? |
| 19:00.55 | sjansen | On Linux? Nothing I've ever tried. |
| 19:01.24 | encryptz | that's quite the dead end |
| 19:01.39 | sjansen | Besides, real men access their DB from psql. |
| 19:01.42 | elg | depressing isn't it? |
| 19:02.19 | encryptz | i guess for findlay, it is. unless he's willing to move to another platform |
| 19:02.30 | elg | findlay: go write a RAD tool/language using DBI so all real databases can be used as backends |
| 19:03.02 | goozbach | class::DBI is kicking us in the teeth here |
| 19:03.08 | findlay | sjansen: sadly I'm the only real man here. Nobody else wants to become a real man in order to use the database, especially not the office ladies who will be using it daily |
| 19:03.08 | tensai | nick125: they really do, or you're just speculating? it's a little harder than just unplugging stuff. |
| 19:03.09 | sinuhe` | I find it interesting the discussion of the need for a tool without discussing the end result desired or expected. Perhaps I jump into the conversation when I should just listen. |
| 19:03.10 | elg | just don't look at access first. your creativity will be stifled and you'll just produce something poisonous and unexciting |
| 19:03.26 | elg | kind of like oobase |
| 19:03.28 | Sargun | sjansen, No, real men using magnets to manipulate their DB's storage array |
| 19:03.29 | findlay | elg: I'm lazy |
| 19:03.50 | elg | if you were truly lazy, you'd let them use excel |
| 19:03.51 | sjansen | There used to be a proprietary Qt based app that looked pretty decent. I think the company went out of business though. Wish I could remember the name. |
| 19:04.13 | tensai | Sargun: that's too easy. I leave the hard drive in place and manipulate the earth's magnetic field. |
| 19:04.21 | sjansen | goozbach: Have you tried DBIx::Class? |
| 19:04.50 | sjansen | It's pretty nice for somethings. Of course, other times it makes me want to scream and use raw SQL... which is supports (more or less). |
| 19:07.08 | elg | it makes you wonder |
| 19:07.29 | elg | what do you really need? a spreadsheet interface to tables |
| 19:07.32 | elg | and views |
| 19:07.58 | elg | not glamorous, but doesn't seem hard. so why isn't there anything? is there a hidden dragon that eats everyone up that tries it? |
| 19:08.17 | Sargun | PHPmyAdmin |
| 19:08.21 | encryptz | is there a need for it? |
| 19:08.32 | elg | esp. with a toolkit like Qt with spreadsheety widgets |
| 19:08.36 | elg | encryptz: uh, yeah |
| 19:08.39 | elg | see access |
| 19:08.46 | elg | and excel is often abused in this fashion |
| 19:09.13 | sjansen | Access may not be a great DB, but it's better than a spreadsheet on a shared drive. |
| 19:09.20 | elg | and i personally have had at least two projects that would have taken 2 hours apiece |
| 19:09.35 | elg | but not worth the effort without such a tool |
| 19:09.53 | encryptz | if the demand exists, then i would bet there is money to be made for the supplier |
| 19:10.27 | encryptz | which, seeing as though a supplier hasn't stepped up to the plate other than sun, the demand doesn't seem too pressing to me |
| 19:10.28 | elg | phpmyadmin almost counts, but it's a silly web app |
| 19:10.30 | tensai | there's a big need for it. we (ab)use a number of spreadsheets that should really be stored in a database. |
| 19:10.43 | elg | encryptz: i'm not buying it |
| 19:11.10 | elg | if access didn't exist, maybe. but microsoft hasn't coddled access along through all these years for no reason |
| 19:11.15 | Sargun | Spreadsheets are awesome! |
| 19:11.26 | elg | spreadsheets are awesome, but they're not databases |
| 19:11.46 | sjansen | There's a problem. MS already created access and hands it out with Office like crack. |
| 19:11.57 | elg | access is a terrible database, (un)fortunately |
| 19:12.05 | Sargun | sjansen, Access isn't a database ;-) |
| 19:12.09 | sjansen | Why buy another solution when you've already sunk you life savings into Office? |
| 19:12.17 | elg | all the people who want to hand over money for pseudo databases just use access |
| 19:12.28 | elg | all the geeks think they're real men and just code in SQL and perl |
| 19:12.50 | sjansen | Sargun: Access is for people who are too cheap and/or lazy to higher a real developer and use a real DB. |
| 19:13.02 | sjansen | s/higher/hire/ |
| 19:13.56 | elg | so anyway, if it's done well and elegantly, there's a lot of opportunity for real geeks to be more productive |
| 19:14.36 | elg | set up an app in a few hours, hit the "compile" button, and hand it to the secretaries. then spend a few weeks refining it to their needs |
| 19:15.26 | elg | ideally it would be extensible in myriad ways, because there's always that edge case where your needs vary from simple database access |
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| 19:15.35 | elg | so it would need to be like emacs |
| 19:15.57 | elg | but if it tried to be too extensible, failure |
| 19:16.09 | elg | gotta stay RAD, you know |
| 19:16.11 | encryptz | can't emacs already do it? |
| 19:16.36 | elg | probably, but there aren't enough butterflies |
| 19:26.28 | sjansen | findlay: Just remembered that name. Rekall by TheKompany. http://www.thekompany.com/products/rekall/ |
| 19:27.29 | sjansen | Sadly, I also remember that I gave it a try about 6 months ago after find out it had been GPLd and decided it wasn't worth the hassle. |
| 19:27.47 | sjansen | But you might feel differently. |
| 19:31.49 | findlay | sjansen: already saw it in portage :) |
| 19:35.11 | findlay | fighting with oo makes me feel like a windows user |
| 19:35.27 | findlay | I'm almost starting to believe in dialog voodoo |
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| 20:11.16 | findlay | c++ gets lambda's and closures |
| 20:12.53 | findlay | http://herbsutter.wordpress.com/2008/03/29/trip-report-februarymarch-2008-iso-c-standards-meeting/ |
| 20:13.08 | findlay | wonders what levi and sjansen think of that |
| 20:15.43 | sjansen | I'm generally in favor of languages becoming more powerful, but in the case of C++ I question the wisdom of making it even more powerful. |
| 20:16.19 | sjansen | s/even more powerful/even more complicated/ |
| 20:16.31 | ^Migs^ | hahaha http://www.shipmentoffail.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/cow1.jpg |
| 20:18.51 | tensai | a database is nothing more than a proram that stores data in some ordered format. so by that definition, Access *is* technically a database. |
| 20:19.50 | sjansen | As far as I'm concerned, if it isn't ACID it isn't a database. |
| 20:20.37 | jsmith | sjansen: Amen, brother! Praise the transactions and pass the roll-backs! |
| 20:22.49 | Jayce^ | sjansen but what about the METH databases? |
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| 20:23.42 | harleypig | SHROOOOOOMS! |
| 20:23.59 | Jayce^ | so, if each db were a drug, what would the correlation be, and why? |
| 20:24.18 | Jayce^ | fair game to use harleypig as a refernce :) |
| 20:25.34 | Sargun | At what price point is 10 mbit/sec worth it? |
| 20:25.48 | sontek | MySQL is weed, gets the job done, but has a very limited feature set, its what you use when you first get started |
| 20:26.33 | sjansen | harleypig: Which reminds me, just the other day Jayce^ was complaining that you never come to work in a speedo anymore. Apparently he misses it. And you know, now that the weather has been getting nicer... |
| 20:26.39 | sontek | postgresql is cocaine, Does the job much better than mysql, its what experienced users want |
| 20:26.45 | Jayce^ | MySQL is your mom's medicine cabinet.. Cheap, Easy to get, but unkown results |
| 20:27.02 | fozzmoo | hee hee. |
| 20:27.07 | Sargun | Oracle? |
| 20:27.14 | Sargun | What's oracle? |
| 20:27.37 | fozzmoo | The (former) Soviet Union |
| 20:27.51 | eggyknap | If you count .45 hollow points to the head as a drug, that's Oracle. |
| 20:27.57 | Sargun | Oracle SELECTs you? |
| 20:28.14 | eggyknap | Ye have not chosen me... |
| 20:29.00 | fozzmoo | I'm thinking.... |
| 20:29.03 | harleypig | sjansen: I'm thinking about following this guys example: pixyland.org |
| 20:29.10 | fozzmoo | maybe a really weak beer. |
| 20:29.13 | Sargun | SELECT people FROM possible_victims WHERE nickname LIKE 'eggyknap'; |
| 20:29.22 | fozzmoo | Cuz you've got to spend a lot of money on it to get anything done. |
| 20:30.08 | harleypig | especially this one http://pixyland.org/peterpan/photo_closeups_bbMW.htm |
| 20:30.09 | Jayce^ | SQLServer - once you're on it, there's no getting off? |
| 20:30.11 | brac | [Peter Pan's fashion pages. Close up: Authentic Blue Boy!] |
| 20:30.24 | Sargun | Which database is Vodka, extremely effective, yet not very stable. |
| 20:30.38 | harleypig | And you can't tell if they've been using it |
| 20:31.14 | unum | my coworkers bought one of those shirts and had it mailed to a client |
| 20:31.16 | Jayce^ | sybase? |
| 20:31.23 | unum | pixyland |
| 20:32.31 | harleypig | that's mean. |
| 20:32.37 | unum | ya |
| 20:32.39 | sjansen | unum: John McCain? |
| 20:32.52 | unum | sjansen: no the guy that handled his account ! |
| 20:32.54 | harleypig | sjansen: I know ... I could wear that thong that christer (? I think) made with my pic on it. |
| 20:32.57 | fozzmoo | sontek: http://www.snorgtees.com/alcoholistheanswer-p-402.html |
| 20:32.58 | brac | [Sometimes Alcohol Is The Answer Womens T-Shirt | Snorg Tees] |
| 20:33.01 | unum | actually I don't think he did work with mccain |
| 20:33.14 | unum | I'm not sure who works with who. it's not really party of my job |
| 20:33.16 | sontek | haha |
| 20:33.20 | unum | but the guy no longer works there.... |
| 20:33.38 | unum | actaully I think he's trying to get a job directly with a campaign |
| 20:35.57 | sontek | fozzmoo: beer is always the answer! |
| 20:36.05 | sontek | fozzmoo: thats why google taps a keg at oscon :p |
| 20:36.10 | Zelut | harleypig: I don't remember making it. /me shudders at t th thought |
| 20:36.27 | sontek | harleypig: herlo made it I thought |
| 20:36.47 | sontek | harleypig: we were supposed to give them away at UTOSC but I think I was the only one who signed up for one :( |
| 20:40.32 | Jayce^ | herlo made it |
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| 20:45.06 | bonez44 | anyone else use use ClamWin for antivirus? |
| 20:45.26 | bonez44 | I get the following when I d/l the signature updates: ClamAV update process started at Fri Apr 18 14:44:18 2008 |
| 20:45.26 | bonez44 | WARNING: Invalid DNS reply. Falling back to HTTP mode. |
| 20:45.37 | bonez44 | The question I have is about "Invalid DNS reply..." |
| 20:45.54 | bonez44 | any ideas on why I would get that message? |
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| 21:20.57 | ^Migs^ | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/04/18/funny-pictures-frank-i-dropped-the-baby/ |
| 21:22.42 | Supaplex | but http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/04/17/funny-pictures-for-a-present-pull-here/ is funnier |
| 21:22.51 | nick125 | Anyone here ever try a Shure headset? I'm wondering if they're worth the money |
| 21:23.43 | pmcnabb | is the source for ibot available? |
| 21:24.22 | Supaplex | infobot.sf.net I think |
| 21:24.23 | nick125 | I believe so |
| 21:30.37 | sjansen | ~blootbot |
| 21:30.40 | ibot | rumour has it, blootbot is an IRC bot written in perl descended from infobot. Hosted on SF. This project is now merged back into the main infobot project. See [infobot] |
| 21:30.50 | sjansen | ~infobot |
| 21:30.51 | ibot | sjansen, I love abuse, feed me! |
| 21:31.02 | sjansen | ~slap ibot |
| 21:31.03 | ibot | ACTION slaps ibot, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 21:31.10 | harleypig | erm |
| 21:32.21 | unum | ~lart ibot |
| 21:32.21 | ibot | wallops unum with a main rotation server that needs rehubbing. It won't take long |
| 21:33.40 | Supaplex | ^Migs^: http://mine.icanhascheezburger.com/View.aspx?ciid=993508 |
| 21:34.09 | ^Migs^ | heh |
| 21:34.48 | pmcnabb | how do you set the '-' or '~' prefix for the bots? |
| 21:39.48 | levi | I'm not sure who was interested in a simple database app, but there's a web-based one called DabbleDB that's pretty cool. |
| 21:42.21 | sjansen | findlay was |
| 21:43.20 | goozbach | couchdb |
| 21:52.49 | levi | Awesome, my ethernet driver works now. |
| 21:53.03 | levi | goozbach: I don't think couchdb is the same sort of thing at all. |
| 21:53.23 | goozbach | nope |
| 21:53.36 | goozbach | couchdb isn't ready for primetime yet |
| 21:53.41 | goozbach | but it's a database |
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| 21:56.37 | levi | It's a backend database, IIRC. DabbleDB is a simple database app for people who would otherwise be using a spreadsheet. |
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| 21:57.30 | levi | Not that couchdb isn't way cool. |
| 22:21.11 | mrpull | has anybody watched kjzz since it switched to HD? |
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| 22:31.13 | levi | It switched? I'll have to look into that. |
| 22:31.20 | elg | ~rlart |
| 22:31.20 | ibot | overclocks encryptz until encryptz burns out |
| 22:31.45 | levi | Drive-by rlart. |
| 22:31.48 | mrpull | I've just been reading up a little... they are broadcasting the jazz playoff games in HD |
| 22:32.06 | levi | Same frequency? |
| 22:32.15 | mrpull | 14-1 |
| 22:32.33 | levi | That's the channel id, not the frequency. |
| 22:32.54 | mrpull | heh... you are right... smarter than the average bear |
| 22:33.00 | mrpull | I believe the same frequency |
| 22:33.31 | mrpull | I don't think they have much other programming in HD yet... maybe the KUTV switch to HD news will mean their 2 news at nine will be HD too |
| 22:34.01 | levi | Was kjzz already digital, just not HD? |
| 22:34.13 | mrpull | yes already digital |
| 22:34.17 | levi | I always forget which channel it is that's still analog. |
| 22:34.56 | mrpull | I understand they were selling half of their bandwidth to a terrestrial HDTV company (voom?) and stayed SD because of that |
| 22:35.00 | mrpull | that deal is dead now |
| 22:37.22 | mrpull | comcast has picked up the new HD feed... directv won't pick it up before the playoffs. I'm SOL. |
| 22:38.50 | levi | All of my TV is terrestrial broadcast. |
| 22:40.52 | mrpull | sat tv is a habit (and bill) that I haven't tried to break |
| 22:41.15 | mrpull | I like sports too much to not have pay tv |
| 22:41.27 | mrpull | the discovery networks have some pretty killer HD content too |
| 22:41.56 | unum | hates atheletes too much too pay for tv |
| 22:42.11 | unum | the thought that some football player is getting one dime from me makes me angry |
| 22:42.20 | sontek | thinks unum got picked on in high school |
| 22:42.29 | mrpull | I'm not an athlete, but I am a sports fan :) |
| 22:42.31 | unum | goes on a rampage |
| 22:42.32 | goozbach | or picked last :) |
| 22:42.36 | sontek | haha |
| 22:42.38 | unum | sontek: I wish it stopped in high school |
| 22:42.53 | unum | the college basketball team once came into my work and started picking on me |
| 22:43.03 | unum | oooh look at the loser who has to pay to go to school |
| 22:43.23 | sontek | I was a closet nerd in high school, I did football, wrestling, and track, but I'd go home and hack on Linux secretly :P |
| 22:43.40 | unum | I have bad genes, I can't even run |
| 22:43.45 | unum | I get chest pains |
| 22:43.47 | sontek | unum: you should've put itching powder in their jock straps, gets'm every time |
| 22:44.22 | sontek | saw that on revenge of the nerds |
| 22:44.42 | unum | I was also "late" so I was short and scrawny most of the time growing up |
| 22:45.10 | sontek | Thats why got invented steroids |
| 22:45.19 | sontek | everyone can be equal with a little bit of drugs! |
| 22:45.48 | sontek | to slow? speed! to angry? weed! to small? roids! to sleepy? cocaine! |
| 22:45.53 | unum | my last roommate kept steroids in the fridge |
| 22:46.10 | unum | coincedtly I put on 30lbs while living with him |
| 22:46.29 | unum | now I need a drug to learn to spell |
| 22:46.43 | sontek | ginko biloba! |
| 22:47.05 | rsimpkins | I know we've got some smart developers in here. Does anyone know alternative methods to file integrity checking besides md5summing? |
| 22:47.14 | unum | we were going to the gym but he lost his motivation and my joints started hurting me too bad |
| 22:47.17 | unum | mostly my shoulder |
| 22:47.20 | rsimpkins | What are some common methods? |
| 22:48.22 | sjansen | You looking for a command or algorithmn? |
| 22:48.36 | levi | rsimpkins: Why isn't md5sum appropriate for you? |
| 22:48.51 | rsimpkins | levi: Too slow. |
| 22:49.04 | rsimpkins | levi: Do you have any ideas for alternative methods? |
| 22:49.16 | sjansen | If you want speed, you could try a simple CRC. |
| 22:50.28 | levi | Yeah, any reasonable hash function ought to work okay as long as a small change anywhere in the file produces a change in the result. |
| 22:52.13 | tensai | sweet. just ordered me a half a cow. |
| 22:52.39 | levi | CRCs are designed to be simple to implement in hardware, though; they're not the best choice for speed. |
| 22:53.14 | rsimpkins | levi: Interesting. Didn't realize that. |
| 22:53.38 | harleypig | tensai: 1/2 cow last us about 6 months. It's very nice not having to worry about meat. :> |
| 22:54.05 | goozbach | don't you need freezer space to do something like that? |
| 22:54.13 | levi | According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_checksum_algorithms , CRC-32 is about as expensive as MD5. Adler-32 looks like a reasonable choice. |
| 22:55.55 | rsimpkins | levi: Reading about alder-32 now. Seems like that might work for us. |
| 22:56.36 | dmdavis | tensai: where'd you get a ½ cow? how does it come? |
| 22:57.41 | harleypig | http://bash.org/?851971 |
| 22:57.42 | brac | [QDB: Quote #851971] |
| 22:57.45 | harleypig | sfw |
| 22:58.50 | tensai | dmdavis: it's a butcher in pocatello. they basically cut it to order, however you want. |
| 22:59.00 | levi | rsimpkins: Have you analyzed the compute vs. io cost of md5ing to see if a different hash function will really speed things up? |
| 22:59.32 | dmdavis | tensai: sweet. if you don't mind me asking, how much for it? |
| 22:59.49 | tensai | dmdavis: 2.19 per pound |
| 22:59.57 | harleypig | wow |
| 23:00.06 | harleypig | what does meat cost at the store where your at? |
| 23:00.25 | RyanE | I've heard a pound of flesh is expensive. |
| 23:00.39 | harleypig | Ours is a little less than $3/lb, but it works out to a little more than that for the meat here. |
| 23:00.46 | harleypig | at the store, so its still better. |
| 23:00.50 | dmdavis | RyanE: I think this flesh comes with the blood |
| 23:00.53 | tensai | harleypig: depends on which meat. we generally pay about $2 per pound for ground |
| 23:00.54 | RyanE | heh |
| 23:01.05 | RyanE | I don't remember what our last 1/2 cow cost. |
| 23:01.14 | rsimpkins | levi: The io is not the issue, CPU is the issue here. |
| 23:01.15 | RyanE | but it's nice to have. |
| 23:01.33 | tensai | also nice to have a big variety of cuts |
| 23:01.44 | tensai | and I asked them to save me the bones, organs and fat :) |
| 23:02.21 | levi | tensai: Do you have to butcher it yourself? |
| 23:03.10 | RyanE | no, you don't have to butcher it, or find the cow. You just write a check, and it arrives fully flash-frozen and wrapped. |
| 23:03.20 | tensai | levi: no. they do all that. cut, wrap, freeze. |
| 23:03.22 | RyanE | in nice little packages that fit in your large freezer. |
| 23:03.47 | levi | Nice. |
| 23:03.48 | tensai | used the money uncle sam gave me back to buy the freezer |
| 23:04.10 | levi | I'm not sure I'd find use for a lot of the cuts. |
| 23:04.22 | tensai | levi: I bet you could buy a primal if you wanted, but you probably wouldn't |
| 23:04.29 | levi | Just gimme a tenderloin. :) |
| 23:05.29 | tensai | I think it will be a fun challenge to find uses for everything. feels like getting back to basics. |
| 23:05.48 | harleypig | tensai: Oh ... we pay $3/lb for the entire 1/2 cow, regardless of the cut. |
| 23:06.27 | tensai | harleypig: with this deal, that's the way it is. I was saying that at the supermarket ground is about $2/lb |
| 23:07.04 | sontek | anyone want to start a company with me? I want my own company so I can put a slide from the server room to my office |
| 23:07.27 | goozbach | sontek: only if it's the other way around |
| 23:07.32 | tensai | sontek: just buy a slip-n-slide |
| 23:07.54 | sontek | goozbach: Yeah, I guess having a slide to the server room would be more useful |
| 23:07.55 | goozbach | slide from office to server room, and a belt-a-vator from the server room to the office |
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| 23:08.11 | sontek | goozbach: ok, we are so starting a company together, you've got good ideas |
| 23:08.22 | sontek | goozbach: you are going to have to move back to Utah though |
| 23:08.28 | sontek | i'm not building a slide to georgia! |
| 23:08.52 | bonez44 | I need to work on some graphics stuff..which was created by another who used Adobe InDesign...is there ANYTHING linux based, that would work with InDesign files? |
| 23:09.44 | goozbach | sontek: simple, we'll buy an Apeture Science "Handheld Portal Device" |
| 23:10.08 | goozbach | flash one portal on your office wall, and another on mine |
| 23:11.06 | tensai | bonez44: probably InDesign running in Crossover |
| 23:20.32 | bonez44 | tensai: ok.... |
| 23:20.45 | bonez44 | oh, I was asking about that issue the other day...the ssh.. recall? |
| 23:21.49 | bonez44 | I got that resolved..but now, I think I have a rootkit or something, remnant from Zone Alarm..on my winxp box.. I have another hdd , identical drive....and have xp installed on it... is there any specific routine for moving applications and data over to the other hdd? |
| 23:23.51 | sontek | bonez44: did you try scrubs? I think its the closest thing to indesign in linux |
| 23:24.28 | bonez44 | scrubs? or scribus? |
| 23:24.33 | sontek | haha |
| 23:24.35 | sontek | scribus* |
| 23:24.46 | bonez44 | scrubbin with scribus? he |
| 23:24.54 | bonez44 | or scrapbookin with scribus |
| 23:25.15 | goozbach | sontek: we'll buy an old abandoned factory |
| 23:25.27 | goozbach | and refurb it as our data center! |
| 23:25.31 | sontek | goozbach: :D!! |
| 23:25.47 | nick125 | lol |
| 23:25.47 | sontek | goozbach: theres also some abondoned paintball warehouses that might work |
| 23:26.03 | goozbach | went searching for pictures of "belt-o-vator" |
| 23:26.17 | goozbach | and found lotsa urban exploration photos |
| 23:26.39 | goozbach | I hear there's a steel factory in Utah valley... |
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| 23:40.50 | devhen|Work | hello all :) |
| 23:41.26 | devhen|Work | Is anyone here familiar with Fedora Directory Server ? (redhat-ds, centos-ds, etc) |
| 23:41.37 | devhen|Work | or ldap ? |
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| 23:45.01 | nick125 | devhen|Work: I have some basic familiarity with LDAP. |
| 23:45.18 | devhen|Work | nick125: great |
| 23:45.27 | devhen|Work | so ive got centos directory server setup on my email server |
| 23:45.41 | devhen|Work | and i want this email server to act as a centralized authentication server |
| 23:45.53 | nick125 | nods |
| 23:46.13 | nick125 | What kind of machines are you planning on authenticating? |
| 23:46.28 | devhen|Work | nick125: all i need is http authentication |
| 23:46.31 | nick125 | aah |
| 23:46.47 | devhen|Work | so my web server will authenticate my users, using their email address and email password |
| 23:46.56 | devhen|Work | for password protected dirs on my web server |
| 23:47.01 | nick125 | gotcha |
| 23:47.30 | devhen|Work | im not sure where to go from here. my centos directory server install has no users in it yet, according to the administrator console |
| 23:47.39 | devhen|Work | i just want to interface with the existing system users on that machine |
| 23:48.33 | nick125 | I'm not sure that you can do that (least in the way you're talking about) - However, you can migrate your system users to LDAP and have your mail server and your http server authenticate against LDAP. |
| 23:49.19 | devhen|Work | nick125: ok. thats what i suspected. so when i create new users i would have to add those users to ldap as well |
| 23:49.49 | nick125 | devhen|Work: Either that or you could simply have your mail server auth against LDAP |
| 23:50.11 | devhen|Work | hmm. thats a thought |
| 23:51.00 | devhen|Work | is there a better way to do centralized authentication against system users ? |
| 23:51.00 | nick125 | Not as far as I know of. |
| 23:51.00 | devhen|Work | yeah |
| 23:51.14 | devhen|Work | ok. well thanks for your thoughts nick125. i will have to look into this some more |
| 23:51.26 | nick125 | There are scripts to migrate system users to LDAP, and most mail servers (courier, postfix, exim, dovecot) can authenticate against LDAP. |
| 23:51.28 | devhen|Work | to decided whether to auth against the system or against ldap for my email users |
| 23:52.24 | devhen|Work | and ldap would tie their login to a particular mailbox ? |
| 23:52.41 | nick125 | It really depends on how you would set it up, I believe. |
| 23:52.53 | devhen|Work | ok. ill need to do some reading |
| 23:52.57 | devhen|Work | thanks again |
| 23:53.01 | nick125 | sure |
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