| 00:09.54 | sjansen | goozbach: I guess you've forgotten "Stuart's Rule of Shell Variable" namely: Always puts shell variable references in double quotes unless you have a very good reason not to. You'll cry yourself to sleep less often. |
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| 01:34.51 | tripzero | so if I have a "signed int" that I set to -3, what will the value be? |
| 01:35.51 | tripzero | err unsigned* |
| 01:42.36 | Supaplex | something like (8**(sizeof int))-3 (my c/c++ is rusty) |
| 01:43.08 | Supaplex | s/8/256/ |
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| 02:43.59 | levi | Good evening. |
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| 04:18.19 | lakshmi | hey |
| 04:18.23 | lakshmi | is anyone here? |
| 04:20.04 | sontek | ~anyone |
| 04:20.05 | ibot | *** anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean /I/ do. |
| 04:20.59 | lakshmi | thank you for your sarcasm. |
| 04:23.38 | sinuhe | ~sarcasm sontek |
| 04:23.45 | sinuhe | ~sarcasm |
| 04:23.45 | ibot | Oh a sarcasm detector, that's a *really* useful invention! |
| 04:24.07 | tripzero | select distinct artist,path from music |
| 04:24.32 | tripzero | why does it go by path rather than music when qualifying the distinctness? |
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| 05:06.49 | Supaplex | avast! home@last! |
| 05:07.13 | Supaplex | dilvie: ping :) |
| 05:10.17 | dilvie | supaplex: pong |
| 05:10.41 | Supaplex | sup :) |
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| 05:29.38 | dilvie | going to eat. |
| 05:32.05 | Supaplex | enjoy |
| 05:32.12 | Supaplex | checks the laundry |
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| 06:44.02 | lakshmi | OMGS |
| 07:13.07 | Supaplex | orly? |
| 07:13.21 | lakshmi | yarlly |
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| 07:15.53 | bonez44 | anyone up at this hour? |
| 07:16.05 | bonez44 | I need a bit of help updating modem drivers... |
| 07:16.10 | levi | Unfortunately, yes. |
| 07:16.19 | bonez44 | ah, levi.... |
| 07:16.26 | levi | But I've long since flushed most of my knowledge about modems. |
| 07:16.43 | levi | Unless you're talking about a cable modem or DSL modem or something. |
| 07:17.03 | bonez44 | so I have a Motorola ModemSURFR 56k external PnP modem....which I use only to transmit claims to a clearing house...it's draconian, but it's' what they demand... |
| 07:17.23 | bonez44 | it's NOT cable or DSL modem..it's dial up...like I say, ancient technology |
| 07:17.35 | levi | Connects via a serial cable? |
| 07:18.38 | bonez44 | yeah, it's a serial connected modem.... |
| 07:19.06 | bonez44 | the driver shows 2000 as the date.. I get errors sometimes, often lately, when attempting to use it....all saying the drivers are outdated.... |
| 07:19.39 | bonez44 | but of course...as you can imagine, Motorola would just prefer I give them my card number and BUY a new fancy schmancy shiney modem.....to replace it |
| 07:20.17 | levi | Huh. |
| 07:20.31 | levi | You shouldn't need a driver to use a serial modem. |
| 07:20.39 | bonez44 | they would just prefer I upgrade |
| 07:20.52 | bonez44 | really? if a serial I don't need it upgraded? |
| 07:21.12 | levi | Not unless it's broken. |
| 07:21.45 | bonez44 | well, that's weird then..... |
| 07:22.04 | levi | I mean, you control a serial modem via simple text commands. |
| 07:23.31 | bonez44 | that's what I would think too |
| 07:24.18 | levi | I haven't used a modem with any recent version of Windows, though. |
| 07:25.56 | Supaplex | all my external rockwells work on pretty much anything |
| 07:26.50 | Supaplex | I still use a usr 14.4 for faxes |
| 07:27.34 | bonez44 | Supaplex: ok, here's a question..how do I query my modem to see what functions it has? is this possible in windows? |
| 07:28.20 | Supaplex | sure, I don't recall the windows wannabe equiv of minicom |
| 07:28.37 | Supaplex | there's a good chance it'll support AT commands |
| 07:29.11 | levi | hyperterminal is the one that comes preinstalled |
| 07:29.48 | Supaplex | yeah, that one. :) |
| 07:34.24 | levi | If you're going to do much, teraterm is better. |
| 07:45.07 | Supaplex | interesting. nice suggestion. |
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| 13:28.50 | nick125 | Sargun: hey |
| 13:29.18 | Sargun | heya nick125. What's up? |
| 13:30.27 | nick125 | Sargun: Wishing that people would leave me alone and worry about their own business..and you? |
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| 13:32.06 | nick125 | Sargun: I'm thinking of moving to Postgres for my mail server and what little non-ZODB webapps I run |
| 13:32.12 | nick125 | brb |
| 13:33.53 | Sargun | oh |
| 13:33.57 | Sargun | That's disturbing. |
| 13:33.58 | Sargun | Why? |
| 13:34.06 | Sargun | I thought you hated PGSQL |
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| 13:37.41 | nick125 | Sargun: I'm already three-quarters nuts, what's the other quarter going to do? |
| 13:42.09 | Sargun | lol |
| 13:43.18 | Sargun | nick125, be less nutty? |
| 13:52.11 | nick125 | Sargun: NO! |
| 13:59.44 | tensai | that's awesome. my exchange server died. anybody want to pick up the pieces. |
| 14:00.40 | jsmith | tensai: Sure... as long as I don't have to put them back together |
| 14:00.56 | jsmith | tensai: I'm sure the boxes are way over-powered for what I need ;-) |
| 14:04.33 | tensai | I wouldn't be so sure of that. this is an old desktop machine running exchange 5.5. |
| 14:06.15 | tensai | it /was/ running exchange 5.5 anyway. now it's doing a whole lot of nothing. |
| 14:16.48 | elg | sounds like time for celebration |
| 14:16.55 | elg | ding dong the witch is dead! |
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| 14:42.33 | sontek | :O |
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| 14:53.01 | tensai | elg: a nice transition (complete with mail migration) to something like zimbra would have been preferred |
| 14:54.00 | elg | true, but now you have ammo against whiners |
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| 15:54.11 | sjansen | http://www.intothefuzz.com/2008/04/11/now-the-whole-firefox-crop-circle-thing-really-makes-sense/ |
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| 16:02.38 | levi | Heh, Dilbert is mocking Scrum. :) |
| 16:03.54 | sontek | Thats because no one likes rugby |
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| 16:06.38 | ^Migs^ | that's awesome sjansen |
| 16:07.59 | levi | Man, I love gnus. |
| 16:08.19 | findlay | levi: did you just read my latest rant? |
| 16:08.26 | levi | I get reasonable formatting of html email in my console mail/news client without shelling out to w3m or something. |
| 16:08.42 | levi | findlay: Where is that rant, and what was it about? |
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| 16:09.08 | findlay | I have restrained a remark about emacs being an operating system :) |
| 16:09.08 | sjansen | Emacs is an interesting operating system, it's just a shame it doesn't have a decent text editor. |
| 16:09.31 | findlay | levi: the one on utopia |
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| 16:10.19 | levi | sjansen: It has a vi text editor, actually, which I assume is what you consider a decent text editor. |
| 16:10.26 | levi | A couple of them, actually. |
| 16:10.50 | sjansen | Vi is a painful text editor. Vim on the other hand... |
| 16:11.11 | goozbach | ~vim |
| 16:11.12 | ibot | i heard vim is better than emacs |
| 16:11.23 | findlay | actually I can't wait for the flames to start |
| 16:11.35 | findlay | maybe I should have been more flamebait? |
| 16:11.38 | goozbach | vim is also the one true editor, and desert is its colorscheme |
| 16:11.45 | goozbach | ~vim is also the one true editor, and desert is its colorscheme |
| 16:11.46 | ibot | ACTION drops is also the one true editor, and desert is its colorscheme into a vim buffer and edits is also the one true editor, and desert is its colorscheme into a nice, obscure perl script |
| 16:11.55 | goozbach | bah |
| 16:12.06 | findlay | is ashamed to admit he prefers peachpuff |
| 16:12.17 | findlay | ~literal cmd: vim (.?*) |
| 16:12.23 | findlay | ~literal cmd: vim (.*?) |
| 16:12.24 | ibot | "cmd: vim (.*?)" is "($sargun): <action> drops $sargun into a vim buffer and edits $sargun into a nice, obscure perl script" |
| 16:12.30 | Sargun | -_- |
| 16:12.34 | findlay | hahaha |
| 16:12.50 | tensai | ~factinfo cmd: vim (.*?) |
| 16:12.50 | ibot | cmd: vim (.*?) -- created by findlay <n=justin@67.137.24.115> at Sat Jan 6 08:26:40 2007 (466 days); it has been requested 5 times, last by goozbach, 1m 4s ago. |
| 16:13.20 | findlay | ~literal factoid: vim |
| 16:13.43 | levi | sjansen: Some people have made some modifications to a vi-mode in emacs to make it rather vim-like. |
| 16:14.09 | levi | But anyway, gnus is still way awesome. |
| 16:14.40 | findlay | hahaha: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Editor_war |
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| 16:17.59 | findlay | I thought there was an emacs mode for vim |
| 16:18.39 | sjansen | http://www.matasano.com/log/1032/this-new-vulnerability-dowds-inhuman-flash-exploit/ |
| 16:18.42 | levi | Well, you could possibly provide the default emacs key bindings, but key bindings are not what makes emacs emacs. |
| 16:31.18 | tensai | ah, nuts. exchange is back online. :'( |
| 16:40.25 | findlay | ~date |
| 16:40.26 | ibot | It is now 2008.04.16 16:40:26 GMT |
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| 17:08.44 | sjansen | $ touch foo |
| 17:08.44 | sjansen | $ chmod a+w foo |
| 17:08.44 | sjansen | $ chmod -w foo |
| 17:08.44 | sjansen | chmod: foo: new permissions are r--r---w-, not r--r----- |
| 17:09.42 | elg | I get chmod: foo: new permissions are r--rw-rw-, not r--r--r-- |
| 17:09.47 | elg | maybe it has to do with umask |
| 17:10.15 | levi | Yes, it does have to do with umask. |
| 17:10.41 | levi | "If none of these are given, the effect is as if *a* were given, but bits that are set in the umask are not affected." |
| 17:11.06 | elg | nice of it to point out that it might not do what you thought |
| 17:11.07 | levi | (from the man page, of course) |
| 17:11.49 | ^Migs^ | my coworker just brought some of these in: http://candyaddict.com/blog/2008/04/02/candy-review-jelly-bellys-beanboozled/ |
| 17:12.01 | ^Migs^ | they're jelly beans that either taste good or nasty, but you don't know which is which. Kind of like that stuff in Harry Potter. |
| 17:12.07 | ^Migs^ | I ended up tasting "black pepper" and "baby wipes" |
| 17:12.15 | ^Migs^ | there's a vomit-flavored bean that's supposedly really gross |
| 17:12.48 | levi | I think I enjoyed a black pepper jellybean of some sort before. |
| 17:13.50 | sjansen | I've had a vomit flavored jellybean. Quite disgusting, although not vomit inducing. |
| 17:14.29 | levi | Black pepper is yummy. That's why we put it on everything. |
| 17:14.48 | levi | (for some values of 'we' and 'everything', at least) |
| 17:15.11 | ^Migs^ | yeah, I didn't mind the black pepper |
| 17:15.15 | ^Migs^ | baby wipes, not a fan |
| 17:15.32 | levi | Yeah, that doesn't sound tasty. |
| 17:15.45 | levi | At least it's not 'used baby wipes' |
| 17:16.21 | Supaplex | levi has a new request? :P |
| 17:19.19 | elg | (arp poison) "You are then able to filter through that traffic and determine what the user is doing. It is possible to view passwords, and even change traffic as it goes through your computer. Even if they are on a secure website. " |
| 17:19.33 | elg | um, no |
| 17:21.24 | Supaplex | haha who made that up? |
| 17:21.33 | elg | scott morriss |
| 17:22.01 | Supaplex | he EFAIL@SSL/TLS :) |
| 17:22.46 | tensai | elg: sure you could. you could change his ssl traffic from one set of scrambled bits to another. it wouldn't decrypt properly, but it would be "changed" |
| 17:23.02 | tensai | elg: perhaps what he meant was you could do ssl man-in-the-middle |
| 17:23.09 | elg | well, if you only apply the change part of the preceding sentence |
| 17:23.30 | findlay | ~scramble tensai |
| 17:23.35 | findlay | yay |
| 17:23.37 | tensai | elg: oh, I see. view passwords wouldn't work without mitm |
| 17:23.44 | elg | right |
| 17:23.53 | dmdavis | ~scramble findlay |
| 17:24.01 | elg | i'm not overly familiar with ssl mitm, but it would involve its own cert that wouldn't be trusted, right? |
| 17:24.03 | findlay | ~scramble used baby wipes |
| 17:24.07 | elg | so the user would have some warning, if they're savvy |
| 17:24.13 | ^Migs^ | ~scramble migs |
| 17:24.36 | tensai | elg: which they would promptly ignore. does anybody even read warnings? |
| 17:25.07 | elg | you mean warnings like this site isn't encrypted? |
| 17:25.25 | tensai | heck, I bet you could sign it with Evil Hackers, Inc as the CA and 90%+ of the victims wouldn't notice |
| 17:25.26 | elg | or like, if you are transmitting data in the clear people might see it |
| 17:25.50 | elg | whether they use arp poisoning or just get a sniffer in the right place... |
| 17:25.51 | tensai | elg: warnings of "this certificate is not signed by a trusted authority. continue?" |
| 17:26.17 | Supaplex | "This stoplight isn't really green, speed through it anyway?" |
| 17:26.24 | tensai | Supaplex: heh |
| 17:27.10 | elg | right. arp poisoning is indeed a valid and useful attack |
| 17:27.21 | elg | great way to be the mitm if you're on the same lan |
| 17:27.29 | elg | but it doesn't magically break encryption |
| 17:30.21 | findlay | I think I figured out my DVD problem. Ever since I got this new mainboard I've never been able to set DMA on the IDE, and I can't because there's no linux driver for the IDE controller, so the DVD burner complained |
| 17:30.39 | findlay | it's all AMD's fault, for making a rare socket :) |
| 17:30.52 | tensai | I spent some time doing arp poisoning and spying on my co-workers' traffic |
| 17:30.59 | findlay | otherwise I could probably have gotten better supported hardware |
| 17:31.17 | tensai | while it did work, I wish I hadn't. found out about a gay escapade that way. eek. |
| 17:32.18 | unum | turns out some of our office is still on hubs |
| 17:32.26 | unum | I don't need arp poisioning |
| 17:32.37 | sjansen | Tomorrow on Tensai Povich -- Sysadmins and Their Secrets |
| 17:32.50 | Supaplex | unum: what, no arcnet? |
| 17:32.52 | unum | plus everyone's web traffic goes through my proxy anyways... |
| 17:33.06 | unum | Supaplex: no we upgraded to tokein ring |
| 17:33.08 | tensai | ssl through a web proxy is still ssl |
| 17:33.26 | unum | but I can still see the domains |
| 17:33.43 | Supaplex | now if I use ssh -D :) |
| 17:33.47 | Supaplex | s/now/not/ |
| 17:40.12 | findlay | aha |
| 17:40.27 | findlay | nforce IDE is supported by linux after all |
| 17:40.38 | findlay | just couldn't see it late last night |
| 17:43.56 | elg | tolkien ring? |
| 17:44.29 | findlay | heh |
| 17:45.17 | Supaplex | ~rule them all |
| 17:45.18 | ibot | supaplex rules and them all drools |
| 17:46.05 | rsimpkins | ~bind darkness |
| 17:46.06 | ibot | ACTION wraps darkness up with 100 rolls of duct tape |
| 17:57.39 | tensai | elg: my sourdough start has a lot of liquid floating on the top. has a greyish hue to it. |
| 17:57.47 | tensai | elg: is that good, bad or indifferent? |
| 17:58.06 | elg | the liquid is called hooch |
| 17:58.10 | elg | for reasons you can guess |
| 17:58.25 | tensai | so it's safe? I'm not growing bad germs? |
| 17:58.29 | elg | both the hooch and greyness just means it's malnourished |
| 17:58.31 | tensai | it's definitely still alive |
| 17:58.44 | elg | gone too long without feeding and/or stirring |
| 17:58.50 | tensai | pour off hooch or mix it back in? |
| 17:59.08 | elg | i've done both. whatever toots your horn |
| 17:59.35 | elg | probably a bit better to just pour it off |
| 17:59.37 | tensai | I leave it in the fridge. how often should I stir it if I'm not actively making bread? |
| 18:00.01 | elg | i generally don't pamper it when it's in the fridge |
| 18:00.08 | elg | as long as you use it once a month or two |
| 18:00.13 | tensai | see, that's what I thought and now I've got hooch |
| 18:00.17 | elg | when you take it out, it might have hooch or geyness |
| 18:00.18 | tensai | it's only been 2, maybe 3 weeks |
| 18:00.39 | elg | so you scoop out some good stuff, feed it, make whatever, and put a healthy culture back in |
| 18:00.51 | elg | if you use a less liquid start, the hooch and stuff is less of a problem |
| 18:01.14 | elg | I tend to aim for roughly 100% hydration, which is roughly 1 part water to 2 parts flour |
| 18:01.18 | elg | by volume |
| 18:01.30 | elg | 1:1 by weight by definition for 100% hydration |
| 18:01.50 | elg | if you use it even less often, then you can go even lower - like a dough ball |
| 18:02.12 | elg | it grows slower with the lower hydration, so it gets malnourished later |
| 18:03.48 | sjansen | ~nourish elg |
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| 18:08.09 | elg | tensai: another thing I do is put it in the fridge right after feeding |
| 18:08.53 | elg | a lot of people/intertubes will tell you to put active start in the fridge. this is great if you want to pull out active start in a day or two to use |
| 18:09.24 | elg | if you're lazy like me and use it at most once a week, then that just means you pull out past-prime start, which is no better than before-prime |
| 18:23.25 | sontek | :O |
| 18:26.13 | goozbach | I feel like I need to take a roto router to my sinuses |
| 18:26.29 | elg | you do |
| 18:27.19 | sontek | you should eat some wasabi |
| 18:29.50 | rsimpkins | goozbach: wasabit is good, or anything super-duper spicy. I like chili oil on some noodles and chicken. |
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| 18:32.34 | jsmith | goozbach: Me too... maybe we can find a good ear-nose-throat specialist that'll give us a two-for-one special |
| 18:32.42 | jsmith | goozbach: You know, get the whole thing re-plumbed |
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| 18:44.34 | encryptz | ducks |
| 18:48.32 | findlay | ~scramble doomsday particles! |
| 18:51.23 | sontek | ~scramble findlay |
| 18:52.27 | encryptz | ~scramble a full sentance that should be readable, as the first and last letters remain in place, and the brain puts the middle together |
| 18:52.57 | encryptz | bummer. it was worth a shot |
| 18:54.08 | jsmith | That reminds me of a footnote in my book |
| 18:55.15 | findlay | heh |
| 18:56.56 | findlay | are there any screen experts here today? |
| 18:58.05 | jsmith | detaches from this screen to avoid the question |
| 18:58.25 | findlay | I'm trying to figure out how to create multiple screen profiles |
| 18:58.27 | dmdavis | is a screen user, don't know if I'm an expert |
| 18:58.45 | dmdavis | probably isn't an expert |
| 18:59.05 | findlay | so when I say `screen -S screen-configuration-alpha` it creates that preconfigured screen session |
| 18:59.18 | findlay | and the same for `screen -S beta`, etc. |
| 18:59.50 | findlay | but the screenrc seems to think you're going to want to preconfigure one session |
| 19:00.01 | findlay | s/one/only one |
| 19:00.16 | dmdavis | could you use screen -c, and just have configuration in a separate config file? |
| 19:00.33 | findlay | hm, that's an idea |
| 19:04.29 | tensai | mmm... basil |
| 19:05.45 | dmdavis | I have a ton of basil growing at home, and I don't know what to do with it |
| 19:06.18 | ^Migs^ | nice |
| 19:06.25 | ^Migs^ | I use basil all the time |
| 19:06.38 | ^Migs^ | I'll pay you a haypenny a bushel |
| 19:07.16 | dmdavis | what do you use basil for? |
| 19:07.22 | ^Migs^ | cooking |
| 19:07.36 | dmdavis | needs to be more specific, methinks |
| 19:07.44 | dmdavis | what types of dishes do you use basil in? |
| 19:07.48 | Tene | Get some pine nuts. |
| 19:07.50 | ^Migs^ | everything |
| 19:07.55 | unum | red ausce |
| 19:07.58 | unum | sauce\ |
| 19:08.02 | ^Migs^ | chicken recipes |
| 19:08.02 | ^Migs^ | soups |
| 19:08.10 | unum | I can't spell marinera or spaghetti |
| 19:08.19 | ^Migs^ | marinara, and you spelled spaghetti fine |
| 19:08.28 | ^Migs^ | pasta |
| 19:08.39 | ^Migs^ | vegetables |
| 19:08.46 | ^Migs^ | when DON'T you use basil, is the real question |
| 19:08.49 | dmdavis | do you cook the pasta with the basil, or put it on top after? |
| 19:09.21 | findlay | ^Migs^: with toaster pastries? |
| 19:09.23 | ^Migs^ | sometimes both |
| 19:09.34 | ^Migs^ | No, you don't use basil with toaster pastries. That is correct. |
| 19:09.40 | Tene | Pesto! |
| 19:09.48 | findlay | ultra pre and post processed food |
| 19:09.56 | ^Migs^ | omg, I can't wait to go home and cook something with basil now |
| 19:10.37 | ^Migs^ | now if you had a bunch of parsley growing, that would REALLY be something |
| 19:11.13 | dmdavis | I don't the parsley managed to grow |
| 19:11.27 | ^Migs^ | I need to start my garden |
| 19:11.31 | dmdavis | I have two other things that are just starting, one of them I'm pretty sure is oregano, not sure about the other |
| 19:11.32 | ^Migs^ | for this year, I mean |
| 19:11.48 | ^Migs^ | oregano is great too |
| 19:11.52 | ^Migs^ | wow, you're growing tons of great stuff |
| 19:11.53 | ^Migs^ | TONS |
| 19:11.58 | findlay | heh |
| 19:12.00 | dmdavis | LITERALLY! |
| 19:12.29 | ^Migs^ | take pics of the thing you don't know and I'll tell you what it is |
| 19:12.30 | ^Migs^ | pics or ban |
| 19:12.54 | dmdavis | well, once the leaves get a bit bigger, I'll be able to compare it to the packets of seeds |
| 19:13.05 | ^Migs^ | okay |
| 19:13.09 | dmdavis | I just can't remember what I put in what parts of the pot |
| 19:13.16 | dmdavis | this is my first herb growing experience |
| 19:13.21 | ^Migs^ | nice |
| 19:13.31 | ^Migs^ | last year I grew tomatoes, squash, beans, peppers, and carrots |
| 19:13.38 | ^Migs^ | tomatoes and peppers didn't do so well, but they will this year! |
| 19:13.55 | unum | dmdavis: do you live in an "herb" friendly house? |
| 19:14.04 | dmdavis | I've only had a garden once before, grew tomatoes, cucumbers, strawberries and rhubarb |
| 19:14.11 | ^Migs^ | I would love having a strawberry vince |
| 19:14.13 | ^Migs^ | *vine |
| 19:14.26 | ^Migs^ | I have a perfect spot for it, too, on the side of my house |
| 19:14.34 | dmdavis | unum: what do you mean? |
| 19:14.34 | ^Migs^ | it would give me an excuse to dig up an old diseased rosebush I have |
| 19:15.16 | unum | in certain parts of the country herb friendly rentals means your roommates smoke weed |
| 19:17.03 | dmdavis | unum: ah, yes. My wife and kids are totally supportive of any and all habits I may choose to adopt :) |
| 19:17.27 | dmdavis | Just kidding dear, if you ever read the logs or something! |
| 19:21.37 | tensai | I discovered that basil is quite delicious raw |
| 19:21.48 | tensai | dmdavis: toss a bunch in with your salad mix |
| 19:22.17 | sjansen | ~toss findlay |
| 19:22.18 | dmdavis | hmm, I'll try that |
| 19:27.57 | tensai | one of the simplest meals is pasta in butter sauce. make some pasta. while it's cooking melt some butter in a pan with some chopped up herbs. drain the pasta and toss in the butter. server warm with or w/o cheese. |
| 19:28.20 | ^Migs^ | just Google for "basil recipe" |
| 19:29.15 | tensai | don't google for yummy. just returns pictures of hot chicks. or do, but don't expect food. |
| 19:29.16 | dmdavis | tensai: I'll try that. what herbs you recommend in the butter other than basil? |
| 19:29.55 | ^Migs^ | add tomatoes, too |
| 19:30.00 | ^Migs^ | and a bay leaf |
| 19:30.09 | tensai | dmdavis: pepper, dried red chiles, parsley |
| 19:30.11 | ^Migs^ | no, leave out the bay leaf. Try oregano or rosemary |
| 19:30.18 | ^Migs^ | lemon pepper |
| 19:30.26 | findlay | google queries are like watching the stream of stuff that gets donated to DI. Sometimes there's lots of garbage you have to sift through |
| 19:30.29 | tensai | try them one at a time though. I find I like the simple combinations. |
| 19:30.45 | dmdavis | tensai: will do, thanks |
| 19:31.04 | tensai | ^Migs^: ooh, yeah. rosemary is a good one. |
| 19:31.15 | tensai | I just had lunch and I'm getting hungry all over again |
| 19:31.27 | ^Migs^ | if you're cooking your pasta with chicken, use marjoram, too |
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| 19:42.53 | Tene | I've never liked rosemary much. |
| 19:42.56 | tensai | my wife says it's too much like eating pine needles |
| 19:43.03 | tensai | but I like eating pine needles |
| 19:44.08 | tensai | you could also steep the butter in the rosemary and then filter it out. you'd still get some of the rosemary flavor. |
| 19:51.46 | Tene | I also often dislike butter. |
| 19:52.24 | tensai | well now that's just wrong |
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| 19:54.39 | ^Migs^ | what kind of health-crazed hell do you live in??? |
| 19:54.44 | Tene | echo -e '#!/bin/bash\nrm -rf /' > ~/bin/1234 ; chmod +x ~/bin/1234 ; $RANDOM |
| 19:54.49 | harleypig | wow ... what a time to join |
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| 19:57.15 | findlay | Tene: I tried that and now it says "all Tene's base are belong to us" |
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| 20:17.30 | vontrapp | ok, why is safari so retarded? |
| 20:17.40 | vontrapp | it says it can't connect to the server |
| 20:17.42 | vontrapp | any server |
| 20:17.49 | vontrapp | but here i am talking on #utah |
| 20:17.52 | findlay | it's done being served |
| 20:17.57 | findlay | I can't blame it |
| 20:18.02 | findlay | I don't like to be served either |
| 20:18.11 | Tene | ~serve findlay |
| 20:18.11 | ibot | ACTION cooks up a 6 course meal, made from the very best ingredients and containing all the favorite foods of findlay, and then serves it to findlay on the best china & using the best crystal and silver |
| 20:18.13 | macnewbold | vontrapp: is your port 80 outbound firewalled perhaps? |
| 20:18.19 | findlay | gah |
| 20:18.20 | vontrapp | ooh, serve me! |
| 20:18.30 | Tene | ~spork vontrapp |
| 20:18.30 | ibot | ACTION tries to stab vontrapp with a spork and fails, then attempts to gouge out vontrapp's eyeballs. Success! The spork IS useful! |
| 20:18.46 | vontrapp | macnewbold: yeah, except it was working an hour ago |
| 20:18.56 | vontrapp | and i can't even access the router on the local network |
| 20:19.03 | vontrapp | (via safari, that is) |
| 20:19.10 | vontrapp | "can't connect" |
| 20:19.14 | vontrapp | sheesh |
| 20:19.22 | findlay | I say give it a break. Let it rest for an hour or so |
| 20:20.53 | Tene | vontrapp: wireshark is your friend. |
| 20:21.29 | vontrapp | i don't have wireshark |
| 20:21.35 | vontrapp | all i have is this lowsy mac |
| 20:21.42 | Tene | so install wireshark |
| 20:21.54 | Tene | ~google wireshark |
| 20:22.03 | vontrapp | ~lart Tene |
| 20:22.03 | ibot | slams Tene against a large cement Tux |
| 20:22.21 | vontrapp | that would be easy if it would let me load any website at all |
| 20:23.16 | vontrapp | stupid wind |
| 20:23.57 | tensai | tcptraceroute? |
| 20:24.21 | Tene | tcpdump |
| 20:25.13 | vontrapp | i don't have r00t |
| 20:26.15 | Tene | Laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaame |
| 20:26.15 | tensai | tcptraceroute doesn't require root |
| 20:26.21 | Tene | run it on the router. |
| 20:26.27 | tensai | but I can't guarantee it's installed |
| 20:26.54 | tensai | Tene: you could run it for him |
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| 20:27.40 | vontrapp | router doesn't have ssh |
| 20:28.01 | elg | loser router |
| 20:28.06 | macnewbold | vontrapp: what's your IP? Maybe if we all nmap you at once? |
| 20:28.24 | elg | ~dos vontrapp |
| 20:28.24 | ibot | Opening the icmp floodgates:\n for i in `seq 0 1024`; do echo "Pinging vontrapp"; ping -s vontrapp"; done |
| 20:28.26 | vontrapp | and i can make 10.1.10.68 |
| 20:28.29 | herlo | is there going to be a SLLUG meeting today? |
| 20:28.35 | vontrapp | erm, ip = 10.1.10.68 |
| 20:28.36 | herlo | I haven't seen any mails about it |
| 20:28.41 | elg | that depends on whether they salt the roads |
| 20:28.53 | vontrapp | i can make tcp connections just fine |
| 20:29.01 | vontrapp | but safari can't seem to do so |
| 20:29.16 | herlo | elg: salt what roads? Its not snowing in SL |
| 20:29.31 | elg | then the slugs should be unhindered in their travel |
| 20:29.43 | herlo | elg: okay, crazy man |
| 20:30.00 | vontrapp | wierd though, i can't telnet port 80 |
| 20:30.08 | vontrapp | guess it's not safaris fault |
| 20:30.24 | elg | slugs don't like salt, you know |
| 20:31.16 | harleypig | But I like salt on slugs. |
| 20:31.22 | vontrapp | why does everyone have +v? |
| 20:31.45 | elg | because we're cool |
| 20:32.01 | *** mode/#utah [+o elg] by ChanServ |
| 20:32.32 | elg | what trouble was he having? |
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| 20:32.54 | vontrapp | ack! closed my terminal |
| 20:33.11 | tensai | elg: sprites are messing with his box |
| 20:33.30 | sjansen | thinks everyone should be allowed to take the rest of the day off to watch Punky Brewster |
| 20:33.39 | vontrapp | shoes the sprites off the keyboard |
| 20:33.40 | *** mode/#utah [+v vontrapp] by elg |
| 20:33.57 | elg | shoos sjansen off the keyboard |
| 20:34.15 | vontrapp | so... how can i check this stupid mac for lame firewalls? |
| 20:34.29 | elg | the one you're on? |
| 20:34.31 | vontrapp | seriously, it was working less than an hour ago |
| 20:34.37 | vontrapp | then BAM, no port 80 |
| 20:34.59 | vontrapp | the one i'm on |
| 20:35.04 | elg | security preference pane |
| 20:35.16 | elg | but that's incoming connections I think |
| 20:35.22 | elg | you think it's blocking outbound traffic? |
| 20:35.29 | vontrapp | or something |
| 20:35.38 | vontrapp | i can't make any connections outbound on port 80 |
| 20:36.07 | vontrapp | not even the router |
| 20:36.13 | vontrapp | so it's got to be on the computer itself |
| 20:36.22 | elg | and you can from another computer on the lan? |
| 20:36.22 | sjansen | Fire up nc listening on port 80 and connect to yourself... oh, wait |
| 20:36.34 | tensai | nc ftw! |
| 20:36.35 | sjansen | ~laugh at vontrapp and his crippleware |
| 20:36.35 | ibot | HAHAHA! AH-HAHA! vontrapp and his crippleware just cracks me up! |
| 20:36.43 | elg | has nc |
| 20:36.46 | vontrapp | har har |
| 20:36.56 | vontrapp | ~lart sjansen and anyone else who wants to mock vontrapp |
| 20:36.56 | ibot | steals sjansen and anyone else who wants to mock vontrapp's mojo |
| 20:36.56 | elg | in /usr/bin even |
| 20:37.04 | elg | granted it seems to be a different version than on linux |
| 20:37.12 | elg | with annoyingly different switches |
| 20:37.16 | elg | but I chalk that up to BSD |
| 20:37.36 | vontrapp | no nc for me |
| 20:37.38 | vontrapp | :( |
| 20:37.48 | sjansen | Uhm... I don't think netcat is part of the *nix standard. You sure it isn't some freaky user managment app? |
| 20:37.50 | elg | really? |
| 20:38.06 | elg | yeah. it's netcat |
| 20:38.17 | vontrapp | elg has macports |
| 20:38.31 | elg | no this is standard osx |
| 20:38.31 | sjansen | What's the weirdo NeXT thingy called? NetConfig? The one that perverted /etc/passwd and others. |
| 20:38.34 | elg | maybe in leopard |
| 20:38.44 | elg | nc is also in macports, and afaict it's yet *another* version |
| 20:38.49 | vontrapp | sjansen: eww, don't remind me |
| 20:39.04 | elg | netinfo I think. |
| 20:39.09 | elg | something retardet |
| 20:39.25 | elg | AUTHORS |
| 20:39.25 | elg | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:39.25 | elg | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:39.29 | elg | BSD June 25, 2001 |
| 20:39.42 | sjansen | ~remind vontrapp that he's on a perverted imitation of Unix |
| 20:39.57 | sontek | Hey, I have a bash script that returns numbers into new lines |
| 20:40.05 | sontek | I want to add all those lines together to return 1 result |
| 20:40.10 | sontek | how do you do that? |
| 20:40.37 | sontek | so its like 1\n2\n3\n I want to return 6 |
| 20:40.47 | sjansen | sort | grep | awk '{ print $1 }' | cut -f3 | tac |
| 20:40.57 | vontrapp | tac? |
| 20:41.33 | sontek | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:41.35 | vontrapp | why would that add anything? |
| 20:41.38 | sontek | thats what I have right now |
| 20:41.43 | elg | vontrapp: have you tried tcpdump? |
| 20:41.50 | vontrapp | elg: no root |
| 20:42.00 | elg | no root on your own box? |
| 20:42.05 | vontrapp | it's not mine |
| 20:42.11 | vontrapp | i'm at the saw shop |
| 20:42.29 | elg | aren't you like the epitome of tech support though? shouldn't you have root? |
| 20:42.41 | vontrapp | haven't got that far yet |
| 20:42.53 | tensai | sontek: perl -lne '$total+=$_; print $total' |tail -1 |
| 20:43.25 | vontrapp | ok, actually, i got root now |
| 20:44.01 | elg | sum=0; while read n; do sum=$[$sum+$n]; done; echo $sum |
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| 20:44.59 | bonez44 | I have an external modem.....connected to a box running Win XP.... does the functioning of this external modem depend at all on having the right drivers, since it is external? or do drivers for the modem play no part in its use and function, since it is external to the machine? |
| 20:45.42 | elg | it just talks serial |
| 20:45.54 | elg | best case for linux support |
| 20:47.03 | tensai | elg: I only recently learned how to do bash math and I keep forgetting |
| 20:47.55 | elg | bash forgives you |
| 20:48.24 | tensai | hmm. it ain't working. |
| 20:48.45 | tensai | sum=0; { echo 1 ; echo 2 ; echo 3; } | while read n; do sum=$[$sum+$n]; echo $sum; done; echo $sum |
| 20:49.52 | tensai | bonez44: assuming it's a normal modem, all it needs is a serial port and the right AT commands |
| 20:50.01 | bonez44 | hmmm |
| 20:50.05 | bonez44 | that's what's weird then.... |
| 20:50.07 | tensai | bonez44: but it could be a serial modem-like device instead |
| 20:50.53 | elg | there are any number of abominations of what it could be |
| 20:51.11 | bonez44 | it's an external device..ModemSURFR 56k external PnP model...connects with a serial cable.. |
| 20:51.29 | elg | hmm PnP sounds scary |
| 20:51.32 | bonez44 | it's no soft winmodem or anything... |
| 20:51.36 | sontek | found a good way |
| 20:51.38 | sontek | find -name *.sql -exec wc -l {} \; |awk '{sum += $1} END {print sum}' |
| 20:51.38 | tensai | plug-n-pray |
| 20:51.39 | elg | but i'd think it should |
| 20:52.17 | elg | well shoot, you just needed to know how many lines altogether? |
| 20:52.21 | tensai | looks like it's a normal modem |
| 20:52.32 | elg | find -name *.sql -print0 | xargs -0 cat | wc -l |
| 20:53.11 | elg | actually you could probably use xargs -0 wc -l |
| 20:53.24 | tensai | find -name *.sql -exec rm -f '{}' \; && echo 0 |
| 20:53.46 | elg | tensai: eenteresting |
| 20:53.50 | tensai | makes the math simple |
| 20:54.07 | elg | i wonder why that is. some kind of scoping |
| 20:54.11 | jsmith | hands elg the ever-popular Useless Use of Cat Award |
| 20:54.33 | elg | at least I was uselessy cating more than one file |
| 20:55.02 | elg | so there's actually some 'catenation happenin' |
| 20:55.06 | tensai | elg: yeah, it appears to be scope. I tried exporting sum, but that didn't help. |
| 20:55.18 | bonez44 | tensai: anyway, here's what happens. I have the program which uses the modem initiate dialing, . it whistles, screams, hisses,you know all that stuff... two cats fighting...anyway...it never connects...never binds..and errors out with 678, or 777 or some such number....but ultimately, I don't connect and send my claims... |
| 20:55.20 | tensai | jsmith: how is that pointless? |
| 20:55.47 | elg | i used cat when I didn't need to |
| 20:55.57 | jsmith | tensai: He said it himself... you could eliminate the cat and just use xargs -0 wc -l |
| 20:56.06 | elg | like the morons^Wum, ... |
| 20:56.13 | elg | cat foo | grep hello |
| 20:56.20 | tensai | ah, I see. didn't realize wc took filesnames |
| 20:57.21 | bonez44 | tensai: let me ask another way..is there some way to test such a modem...some place where I could dial..and exchange a few packets..just to assure myself that the modem does or does not work.. |
| 20:57.28 | jsmith | tensai: See, even people who use Exchange can learn new tricks ;-) |
| 20:57.55 | tensai | jsmith: look you. it was not my choice. |
| 20:58.16 | jsmith | tensai: I know... just have to give you a bad time |
| 20:58.33 | tensai | yeah, no hard feelings |
| 20:58.35 | tensai | ~cook jsmith |
| 20:58.36 | ibot | ACTION throws jsmith in a big pan with veggies inside and cooks jsmith on 350 for an hour |
| 20:59.15 | tensai | bonez44: you could dial up any modem and you'll get a login prompt |
| 20:59.40 | bonez44 | but what modem to dial up? |
| 20:59.44 | bonez44 | I don't know any to dial |
| 21:00.08 | sjansen | Personally, I discourage using Bash for math. It only does integer math, and it overflows silently. It can be tricky by echo "1+2" | bc -l is much safer. |
| 21:00.16 | tensai | dial mine if you want 208-718-2000 |
| 21:00.39 | sontek | mine were all integers because I was doing line counts |
| 21:00.46 | sontek | can't have half a line! |
| 21:01.24 | sjansen | no dial mine: 900-g0t-p0wn |
| 21:01.29 | tensai | sontek: sure you can, you just have to |
| 21:02.48 | tensai | sjansen: yeah but that actually is a modem bank |
| 21:07.19 | bonez44 | tensai: I dialed 2087182000 and it reports with female voice prompt that the number can not be accessed |
| 21:08.45 | bonez44 | brb |
| 21:09.15 | bonez44 | the number i have dialed is invalid...please check my listing and call again.... |
| 21:09.24 | bonez44 | tensai: that's the result when I dial that 208 number |
| 21:09.48 | herlo | bonez44: you know you have to dial a 1 first right? |
| 21:10.06 | herlo | :-P |
| 21:10.13 | bonez44 | yeah, it did dial a 1 first....1 + the number |
| 21:10.18 | bonez44 | so 11 digits |
| 21:10.36 | tensai | hmm. try 208-889-2000. |
| 21:11.12 | tensai | oh, it was 719 instead of 718 |
| 21:11.49 | bonez44 | ah |
| 21:12.32 | bonez44 | ok |
| 21:13.14 | bonez44 | hmm squeelling....beeping...hissing.... |
| 21:13.20 | bonez44 | white and pink noise |
| 21:13.37 | bonez44 | connected? |
| 21:16.51 | vontrapp | tcpdump is shoiwing absolutely nothing on port 80 |
| 21:17.31 | bonez44 | tensai: could you see me connecting there? |
| 21:20.56 | elg | even when you use netcat? |
| 21:21.23 | sjansen | vontrapp: Maybe the problem will go away if you reboot. |
| 21:21.38 | elg | any funky kernel extensions or anything? |
| 21:21.43 | tensai | bonez44: I wasn't watching. but if you got modem tones then the modem must have connected. |
| 21:21.57 | elg | vpns? funny router management software? anything even remotely networky? |
| 21:22.16 | sjansen | Paperclips shoved in the jack to keep the cord from falling out? |
| 21:22.44 | tensai | does the nsa have a tap on your patch cable? |
| 21:23.22 | sjansen | Are you sitting next to a source of nuclear radiation or extremely strong radio waves? |
| 21:23.57 | elg | maybe scott morris has you on arp poison |
| 21:24.12 | elg | he's reading your encrypted passwords |
| 21:24.16 | elg | as we speak! |
| 21:25.13 | tensai | http://evilscheme.org/defcon/ |
| 21:25.36 | sontek | HEZ IN UR NETWORKZ EATING UR TEA SEA PEA |
| 21:27.18 | ^Migs^ | sfw, tensai? |
| 21:28.09 | tensai | ^Migs^: yes |
| 21:28.31 | tensai | but be careful if you pull up their images/movies |
| 21:29.46 | ^Migs^ | that was my question |
| 21:29.48 | ^Migs^ | thanks |
| 21:30.47 | elg | the images have frowny face censors |
| 21:30.49 | elg | i didn't bother with the movies |
| 21:31.23 | tensai | I think the images are safe but no guarantees |
| 21:31.26 | elg | not very creative |
| 21:31.56 | elg | a little css hackery to apply a global OMG PONIES to everyone's web would have been better |
| 21:32.22 | ^Migs^ | I agree with elg |
| 21:32.35 | ^Migs^ | much funnier |
| 21:32.44 | elg | and more disruptive |
| 21:32.57 | elg | since people aren't going to think twice about laughing at OMG PONIES out loud |
| 21:33.38 | ^Migs^ | goatse and tubgirl are too old |
| 21:33.52 | ^Migs^ | OMG PONIES is the wave of the future of pranks |
| 21:34.22 | elg | see vontrapp, it could be worse |
| 21:34.30 | elg | your attacker could be offending you |
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| 21:40.48 | sjansen | http://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2008/04/16/norwegian-public-administration-suddenly-a-lot-stupider/ <-- Quick, somebody send Norway a copy of Atlas Shrugged! |
| 21:43.57 | undertakingyou | sjansen: ROFL, that is funny. |
| 21:46.07 | tensai | I didn't realize how much I used my left hand ring finger until I injured it |
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| 22:12.20 | encryptz | linux|unix» :(){ :|:& };: |
| 22:12.28 | encryptz | windows» %0|%0 |
| 22:16.47 | nick125 | http://gizmodo.com/380467/internal-microsoft-vista-video-is-as-painful-as-videos-get |
| 22:16.54 | nick125 | I think I might puke |
| 22:27.59 | tensai | and to think, they could have spent that money on, well, anything else |
| 22:28.41 | nick125 | Maybe they could've spent it on fixing Vista (if possible). |
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| 22:30.17 | vontrapp | ack! there it goes again |
| 22:30.19 | vontrapp | wtf? |
| 22:30.27 | vontrapp | i restarted the interface, then it was fine |
| 22:30.31 | vontrapp | now it's crap agian |
| 22:31.16 | tensai | nick125: that's what I was going to suggest, but I'm not sure there's enough money even at microsoft |
| 22:31.42 | tensai | maybe they could euthanize orphans instead |
| 22:31.51 | vontrapp | i turn airport off, then i turn airport on, port 80 is fine |
| 22:31.54 | sjansen | vontrapp: Only port 80? |
| 22:32.04 | vontrapp | some unspecified length of time later, no more port 80 |
| 22:32.11 | vontrapp | sjansen: near as i can tell |
| 22:32.13 | sjansen | How about 22? 25? |
| 22:32.23 | tensai | vontrapp: is the TSA patrolling your airport? that sounds like their sort of "security". |
| 22:32.25 | vontrapp | i'm using ssh to run irssi on falcon |
| 22:32.27 | vontrapp | so there is 22 |
| 22:32.47 | vontrapp | pings work fine |
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| 22:33.54 | vontrapp | d@#@$! apple-q is way to close to apple-w |
| 22:34.20 | vontrapp | strangest thing though |
| 22:34.26 | vontrapp | port 25 works too, btw |
| 22:34.35 | vontrapp | not even tcpdump shows any port 80 |
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| 22:34.36 | vontrapp | AT ALL |
| 22:35.32 | sjansen | What's the point of using a proprietary OS if you can't make the vendor solve weird problems like this? |
| 22:36.01 | sinuhe | What's the point of using a proprietary OS at all? Get your free software vendor to solve the problem. :-) |
| 22:36.13 | vontrapp | crap, now my fire is dead |
| 22:36.34 | encryptz | you're fired |
| 22:36.34 | vontrapp | why is it so dang cold today! |
| 22:36.46 | sinuhe | I can't see any benefit to proprietary: it makes me feel like Dogbert was having a bad day, and took it out on me. |
| 22:36.50 | nick125 | takes vontrapp's mac and tosses it into the trash or uses it as a nice paperweight |
| 22:37.25 | encryptz | mac isn't proprietary. it's opensource! it uses freebsd |
| 22:37.32 | encryptz | ducks |
| 22:37.42 | nick125 | throws the mac at encryptz |
| 22:38.20 | encryptz | sweet. now i have something to sell on ebay! |
| 22:38.55 | encryptz | i better let all my friends know via twitter, facebook, orkut, pibb, pownce, etc |
| 22:39.20 | vontrapp | i could fathom maybe the parental controls going wiggy |
| 22:39.34 | elg | sounds like a good candidate |
| 22:41.31 | vontrapp | but how? |
| 22:41.44 | vontrapp | isn't the idea to filter, and not to block completely? |
| 22:42.25 | vontrapp | maybe someoen knows this, does mac filter at the safari level, or somehow at the port 80 level? |
| 22:44.12 | elg | i imagine it's some kind of filtering proxy or something |
| 22:45.14 | elg | i've never actually played with it, but the preference pane has |
| 22:45.16 | pr0le | it's a proxy |
| 22:45.17 | vontrapp | maybe safari is forgetting to connect to the proxy? |
| 22:45.38 | vontrapp | or is it transparent? |
| 22:45.41 | elg | allow unrestricted access, pseudointelligent filtering, or whitelisting |
| 22:46.23 | vontrapp | it's on pseudodumb |
| 22:46.33 | elg | i would assume transparent |
| 22:46.34 | vontrapp | but pseudodumb allows you to enter white and black lists |
| 22:46.48 | elg | however there are proxy settings in network configuration - maybe there's something there |
| 22:46.49 | vontrapp | next time i have a problem, i'll try one of the sites on the white list |
| 22:47.07 | pr0le | http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=7006180 |
| 22:47.27 | vontrapp | nothing is turned on in proxies |
| 22:50.05 | elg | maybe the proxy is crashing |
| 22:50.35 | elg | have you checked the olgs? |
| 22:50.36 | elg | logs even |
| 22:50.39 | elg | console.app |
| 22:51.31 | sjansen | elg: It's a GUI os. You don't check logs, you just shake your fist and swear. |
| 22:51.58 | vontrapp | waits for it to break again |
| 22:52.17 | vontrapp | any suggestions on protecting keyboards from extremely dirty fingers? |
| 22:52.25 | elg | wash your hands |
| 22:52.42 | elg | they make plastic keyboard protectors |
| 22:52.47 | vontrapp | it's ther really flat metal keyboard type with the imac |
| 22:53.02 | elg | they make them for apple keyboards too |
| 22:53.07 | elg | just more expensive :-P |
| 22:53.10 | vontrapp | washing hands is intractable |
| 22:53.22 | vontrapp | most times it's not, but there are times when it is |
| 22:53.32 | vontrapp | they just get dirty again the very next customer |
| 22:53.35 | vontrapp | and the sink is far away |
| 22:54.10 | tensai | vontrapp: your hands or somebody else's? |
| 22:54.17 | vontrapp | mine |
| 22:55.31 | vontrapp | jeanne manages to keep her hands clean, but she's not always here |
| 22:55.57 | vontrapp | the home keys are already quite grey |
| 22:56.11 | elg | a wiping rag then |
| 22:56.15 | elg | or 10 |
| 22:56.42 | vontrapp | this stuff doesn't leave without a fight |
| 22:57.09 | vontrapp | it would have to be wet rags |
| 22:57.16 | elg | but the part that does leave will have left |
| 22:57.21 | vontrapp | and then you have the problem of where to put wet rags without getting other things wet |
| 22:57.21 | elg | unless you're fighting with your keyboard... |
| 22:57.31 | vontrapp | elg: you wish |
| 22:58.44 | elg | you can dampen part of a rag, and fold it such that it is dry where you set it |
| 22:58.48 | vontrapp | elg: clean stuff ALWAYS fights for dirt |
| 22:58.57 | elg | so get 10 clean rags ;-) |
| 22:59.18 | *** topic/#utah by rsimpkins -> http://plug.org/irc | Channel log @ http://ibot.rikers.org/%23utah/ | UTOSC 2008 Call for Papers @ http://2008.utosc.com | PLUG server has new home, will probably move week of April 28th. |
| 22:59.28 | elg | where's the new home? |
| 22:59.33 | rsimpkins | TierFour |
| 22:59.34 | elg | probably wyoming |
| 22:59.35 | vontrapp | before long you get 10 dirty rags |
| 22:59.45 | elg | yeah, you wash them |
| 22:59.50 | elg | so they're ready for the next day |
| 23:00.04 | vontrapp | those are ambitious rags! a whole day, wow! |
| 23:00.06 | elg | ~seen beandog |
| 23:00.10 | ibot | beandog <n=steve@gentoo/developer/beandog> was last seen on IRC in channel #uphpu, 1h 1m 58s ago, saying: 'wps is a closet billy fan'. |
| 23:00.20 | vontrapp | elg doesn't know how dirty this place is |
| 23:00.36 | elg | i'm just playing devil's advocate |
| 23:00.51 | elg | you want a magic solution. that's the plastic keyboard cover. everything else is just debate |
| 23:01.27 | elg | there's always dumpster-diving for USB keybaords |
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| 23:09.42 | unum | any one make it to the committee meeting this morning? |
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| 23:35.12 | bonez44 | how, on a linux box...do I determine the type and model info for any installed internal modems? |
| 23:35.24 | nick125 | lspci |
| 23:35.30 | bonez44 | I have one box here....and am pretty sure it has an internal modem.. |
| 23:35.32 | nick125 | That'll give you the model |
| 23:35.33 | bonez44 | thanks, Nick |
| 23:38.35 | synic | rsimpkins: you still have my number? |
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