| 00:22.53 | rsimpkins | ,.;:*^ This is a subliminal message. You will come to PLUG tonight at 7:30pm. You will not go anywhere else. ^*:;., |
| 00:23.02 | rsimpkins | is setting up for PLUG. |
| 00:26.10 | Supaplex | some of my electrons will swing by ;) |
| 00:29.40 | eggyknap | rsimpkins: how big is PLUG? |
| 00:29.51 | eggyknap | is in SLC, and tends to avoid Provo whenever possible :) |
| 00:43.14 | Supaplex | 's in sunset, and BFE from provo |
| 00:49.27 | Jayce^ | rsimpkins: heading over there in a min |
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| 00:53.50 | whiteley | I recently obtained a 1TB USB drive. I will back up a few Linux/Mac boxen to it. |
| 00:54.21 | whiteley | any suggestions for partitioning? Any advantage to using LVM2 on it? |
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| 01:09.17 | Supaplex | whiteley: many :) like partition resizing. more useful names. no sda5, but volgroup-logical (eg, backups-macintoy1) |
| 01:31.22 | herlo | rsimpkins ask when everyone will arrive at PLUG? |
| 01:32.32 | Supaplex | after I drive? |
| 01:33.07 | findlay | is tempted to Italian tuneup his car on the way to plug |
| 01:34.15 | findlay | is too lazy |
| 01:38.45 | herlo | stream is live at stream.utos.org |
| 01:39.38 | undertakingyou | http://stream.utos.org:8080/ |
| 01:39.51 | undertakingyou | most specifically. |
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| 01:42.32 | goozbach | findlay: italian tuneup? |
| 01:42.54 | eggyknap | contemplates distributing a job desc to the PLUG |
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| 01:43.17 | eggyknap | ...since the stream is talking about such things right now... |
| 01:44.32 | Sargun | Heya |
| 01:45.05 | findlay | goozbach: http://www.mercedesshop.com/shopforum/archive/index.php/t-32202.html oh yeah! |
| 01:47.01 | Supaplex | haha. cool |
| 01:48.59 | findlay | my car goes up to 6500 before redline and let me tell you cruising at 75 mph in 3rd gear is quite an experience :-) |
| 01:49.08 | levi | No PLUG for me tonight. :( |
| 01:49.44 | levi | findlay: I used to bounce my car off the rev-limiter all the time. |
| 01:49.57 | findlay | actually, I think I'd have to shift into 4th by the time I get to 75 |
| 01:50.17 | findlay | levi: the miata? |
| 01:50.27 | levi | findlay: Yup. |
| 01:50.43 | findlay | levi: lets you know when to shift? :) |
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| 01:52.01 | levi | findlay: Yup. :) |
| 01:52.10 | goozbach | I don't know of anywhere here I can do that :( |
| 01:52.21 | goozbach | without risking a ticket anyway |
| 01:52.31 | levi | Heh, Andrew Jorgensen can't handle the Lindt 85% chocolate bar. :) |
| 01:52.47 | levi | goozbach: The rev-limiter in 1st gear isn't that fast. |
| 01:52.48 | Supaplex | gimmie |
| 01:57.35 | findlay | goozbach: just run it up a hill or two in 2nd gear :) |
| 02:04.50 | goozbach | findlay: I'd need a hill |
| 02:04.57 | goozbach | and it's an automatic |
| 02:05.09 | goozbach | so it's hard to really rev it up |
| 02:06.08 | levi | Heh, you don't hit rev-limiters in automatics unless you're in neutral. :P |
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| 02:10.58 | tripzero | if I do a `startx program` will "program" have root priveledges? |
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| 02:11.22 | tripzero | if i'm only doing a startx as a normal user |
| 02:11.41 | levi | If you've got a really powerful engine and your top gear is steep enough, you might be able to hit a rev-limiter with an automatic, but you'd be going ridiculously fast. |
| 02:12.18 | tripzero | levi: couldn't you achieve the same if you manually put it in gear 1? |
| 02:12.58 | levi | I guess it depends on how your transmission computer deals with that situation. |
| 02:13.15 | levi | It could rev-limit you or shift you. |
| 02:13.56 | levi | But yeah, I often forget about the manual gear selection on automatics unless I'm driving downhill in one. |
| 02:14.13 | levi | goozbach: There you go; put your car in 1 and see what happens! |
| 02:14.36 | herlo | its back |
| 02:14.38 | findlay | my parent's corsica is at 112 |
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| 02:14.49 | findlay | didn't tell you that |
| 02:16.16 | tripzero | i sometimes drive my automatic like its a manual |
| 02:16.23 | tripzero | 1-2-3-D :p |
| 02:16.28 | findlay | I'm in the mode for a movie, maybe I'll watch plug |
| 02:20.03 | Jayce^ | findlay: do it |
| 02:22.05 | herlo | findlay: stream.utos.org, but its only listening atm |
| 02:24.42 | herlo | If you are listenting to the stream, it may drop from time to time, this is due to a testing wifi connection. Its a pretty cool setup, but definitely still beta |
| 02:24.47 | elg | levi: which emacs on osx do you use? |
| 02:31.38 | mrpull-lt | garrr... hotel wireless is terrible |
| 02:32.24 | nick125 | mrpull-lt: Can you tether? |
| 02:34.29 | Supaplex | what window id's can I use for xwd -id ? |
| 02:34.49 | findlay | does anybody have a DVD+R burner that they want to give me? |
| 02:37.51 | mrpull-lt | yes, and it is generally faster. i was just being lazy and using the hotel wifi |
| 02:38.48 | nick125 | mrpull-lt: How hard is it to grab your phone, hook it up and type on "pon <PPP script>"? :-) |
| 02:38.54 | nick125 | s/on/in |
| 02:40.01 | mrpull-lt | :) |
| 02:40.20 | whiteley | anyone know how to simulate unplugging and plugging back in a usb storage device from remote? |
| 02:40.34 | nick125 | For me, it's harder to get wireless working than to tether. |
| 02:41.15 | mrpull-lt | i'm actually running an unofficial rom on my phone that the tethering is somewhat broken |
| 02:41.23 | nick125 | mrpull-lt: What phone? |
| 02:41.31 | mrpull-lt | HTC 8925 |
| 02:41.41 | nick125 | aah |
| 02:41.56 | nick125 | That sucks. |
| 02:42.37 | mrpull-lt | nah, i can flash it back. i'm just unceasingly curious what newer software brings... and sometimes it brings bugs |
| 02:42.56 | nick125 | mrpull-lt: Maybe you should look into pdanet or usbmodem? |
| 02:44.53 | levi | elg: I don't recall where I grabbed this one from. |
| 02:46.31 | mrpull-lt | interesting. unless it is an elaborate hoax, somebody has Android running on an 8925 |
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| 02:53.53 | elg | regular gnu emacs? x11 or aqua? not aquamacs? |
| 02:53.59 | elg | carbon or cocoa? |
| 02:55.50 | emcnabb | anyone want to vote for our picture? http://www.snapfish.com/viewsinglevote/contestname=bestfriends/contestentryoid=1239212/a=110511869 |
| 02:56.14 | emcnabb | elg, I know you want to |
| 02:56.45 | elg | vote for it to what? be the new logo for the blinds company? |
| 02:57.05 | emcnabb | haha |
| 02:57.34 | emcnabb | elg, aww, come on |
| 02:58.10 | elg | I'm sure you can script it. ;-) |
| 02:58.30 | emcnabb | elg, I totally could, but I'm trying so hard to be honest! |
| 02:58.41 | levi | elg: Is there a cocoa one now? Mine's a carbon build. |
| 02:58.47 | levi | elg: But not Aquamacs. |
| 02:58.58 | elg | tries macports emacs-app |
| 02:59.06 | elg | emacs-app aqua/emacs-app 23.0.0_NS-9.0rc3 The GNU Emacs text editor (Cocoa version) |
| 02:59.18 | elg | s/tries/builds/ |
| 02:59.38 | levi | I haven't grabbed a new one in probably at least 6 months now, if not a year. |
| 02:59.47 | levi | So it wouldn't surprise me. |
| 03:00.35 | levi | I had to fiddle a bit to get it to use the regular Mac fonts. By default, it'd use the standard emacs X11 fonts. |
| 03:01.55 | elg | going to play with clojure bit by bit |
| 03:02.01 | elg | figure I should do that in emacs |
| 03:05.43 | elg | ok, how do I turn on smart indentation? |
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| 03:10.09 | elg | fwiw, /Applications/MacPorts/Emacs.app, fonts seem to be nice OS X fonts, working great |
| 03:10.47 | elg | hmm. so there's no readline support in the live repl buffer? |
| 03:11.59 | Tene | elg: rlwrap? |
| 03:12.12 | elg | rlwho? |
| 03:12.22 | elg | <- emacs newbie |
| 03:13.06 | Tene | elg: rlwrap is a program to add readline support to console applications. I'm not actually sure what it is you're discussing ATM. |
| 03:13.14 | Tene | 666 |
| 03:13.36 | Tene | fails at keyboard-use |
| 03:14.02 | elg | emacs has this nifty(?) ability to run a lisp (or in this case, clojure) read-eval-print loop in a buffer |
| 03:14.45 | elg | but rlwrap java -jar clojure.jar seems to work nicely. thanks! |
| 03:15.00 | elg | maybe I'll edit code in emacs, when I get to that point |
| 03:16.25 | Tene | I'm trying to recall what I decided thewI thought of the differences between lenovo's T61 and T61p |
| 03:19.35 | peno | "p" is the wide screen model |
| 03:20.07 | Tene | no, "p" is the model with higher-resolution screen and an nvidia card instead of intel for video |
| 03:20.35 | Tene | there's widestreen t61 |
| 03:20.41 | Tene | widescreen |
| 03:21.31 | levi | elg: In the emacs buffer, try M-p for the previous command and M-n for the next one in the command history. |
| 03:21.34 | peno | ah, I just know what we have for options at work, and the p's are wide screen models. |
| 03:21.53 | elg | ick. M is alt is in the most awkward place on the keyboard |
| 03:22.00 | elg | C-p would be ok |
| 03:22.04 | elg | *shrug* |
| 03:22.30 | levi | elg: Well, C-p is already bound to the command that moves you to the previous character on the line. |
| 03:22.44 | levi | You can always rebind them for whatever mode you're in, though. |
| 03:23.07 | levi | Er, not previous character, previous line. |
| 03:24.04 | levi | You can hit esc p instead of M-p, if you want. |
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| 03:25.43 | elg | right, which is entirely useleess in that little run-lisp window. I would expect the intelligent thing to do with c-p in that buffer is readline-like support |
| 03:25.49 | elg | esc is also inconvenient |
| 03:26.12 | elg | no matter, rlwrap to the rescue |
| 03:26.17 | levi | elg: You only say that because you're not an emacs user. |
| 03:26.32 | elg | no, I only know to say that because I'm not a brainswashed emacs user :) |
| 03:26.45 | elg | principle of least surprise gets diluted on veterans |
| 03:27.20 | levi | It makes sense for fundamental emacs keys to do the same things they usually do. This really is following the principle of least surprise. |
| 03:28.11 | Tene | I don't care about 3d graphics, but higher screen resolution is nice... |
| 03:29.46 | elg | perhaps |
| 03:29.46 | levi | elg: emacs veterans would likewise be highly annoyed if C-p stopped doing what it typically does. It's a muscle-memory key. |
| 03:30.11 | elg | rlwrap will allow me to continue to wallow in vimness. I get my regular readline, which is using the vi input style just like my shell |
| 03:30.17 | levi | It's like if you switched to a different buffer in vim and suddenly k did another thing than it usually does. |
| 03:30.19 | elg | and it remembers history across invocations |
| 03:30.46 | elg | if I was in vim, and there was a live repl buffer (that'd be nice), I would expect k to do the readline thing |
| 03:31.02 | elg | you don't *edit* the past |
| 03:31.10 | elg | you edit files. buffers. things that you can change |
| 03:31.14 | elg | I can't change the past |
| 03:31.34 | levi | Yes, but you may very well want to navigate to another position on the screen to copy something. |
| 03:31.40 | lakshmi | hey |
| 03:31.52 | tripzero | so does startx always start as root? |
| 03:31.54 | levi | Or just to view the scrollback. |
| 03:32.02 | tripzero | or just as a normal user? |
| 03:32.04 | levi | tripzero: It starts as whatever user runs it, IIRC. |
| 03:32.28 | tripzero | ah, okay |
| 03:34.52 | levi | Anyway, it's fairly easy to change key mappings for modes, if it really bothers you and you want to go back to using emacs at some point. |
| 03:39.16 | levi | Wow, this earbuds have really incredible bass response. |
| 03:44.16 | elg | gah |
| 03:44.30 | elg | rlwrap's README mentions a blink-matching-paren setting in .inputrc |
| 03:44.33 | elg | wants it |
| 03:44.36 | elg | but it doesn't seem to be working |
| 03:46.05 | levi | Well, I could help you with that in emacs, but not rlwrap. |
| 03:46.38 | elg | :) well paren matching does work in emacs |
| 03:46.45 | elg | though autoindent wasn't enabled |
| 03:47.05 | levi | There, you just remap [return] to 'newline-and-indent |
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| 03:47.20 | elg | by... |
| 03:47.37 | levi | Which mode were you in? |
| 03:48.07 | elg | clojure-mode |
| 03:48.23 | elg | (editing a file) |
| 03:48.42 | levi | It comes down to editing .emacs to add something like: (add-hook 'clojure-mode-hook (lambda () ... stuff that should run when you enter the mode here ...)) |
| 03:48.50 | sontek | how was plug? |
| 03:49.10 | levi | And inside that lambda, you do (define-key clojure-mode-map [return] 'newline-and-indent) |
| 03:50.26 | elg | do I need to quit emacs for it to take effect? |
| 03:50.51 | levi | No, you can position the cursor right after the (define-key ...) form and hit C-x C-e |
| 03:51.01 | levi | Which will evaluate it. |
| 03:51.08 | elg | ok |
| 03:51.20 | levi | The result will show in the minibuffer at the bottom of the window. |
| 03:52.09 | elg | cool, that works |
| 03:52.11 | elg | thanks |
| 03:52.23 | levi | Generally, you can evaluate arbitrary elisp code whenever you like by typing it in the *scratch* buffer and then doing that. |
| 03:52.28 | elg | how do I nuke a buffer? |
| 03:52.35 | levi | C-x C-k |
| 03:52.58 | levi | To remove the frame it's in, C-x C-0, if you're in it. |
| 03:53.16 | levi | To remove all other frames but your current one, C-x C-1 |
| 03:53.20 | elg | c-x k you mean? |
| 03:53.25 | levi | Er, yeah, sorry. |
| 03:53.42 | elg | how about just closing the window I'm currently in? |
| 03:53.52 | elg | (isn't frame the window-manager level window?) |
| 03:54.26 | elg | without nuking the buffer |
| 03:54.32 | levi | Yeah, I guess I got frame/window confused. |
| 03:54.41 | levi | C-x C-0 is what you want. |
| 03:54.52 | elg | cool |
| 03:54.56 | levi | C-x 5 0 deletes the frame |
| 03:55.09 | elg | now feels able to do the basics |
| 03:55.27 | elg | pity, scroll wheel doesn't work |
| 03:55.33 | elg | <triple-wheel-up> is undefined |
| 03:55.36 | levi | C-x 5 o switches to another frame, C-x 5 1 deletes all but the current frame, C-x 5 2 creates another frame. |
| 03:55.51 | levi | elg: You can bind that, too, with a similar command as before. |
| 03:56.00 | elg | maybe down the road |
| 03:56.55 | levi | It works by default in some emacs setups I've used, like on Ubuntu. |
| 03:57.02 | levi | I guess they do some customization in the package. |
| 03:57.27 | elg | so is this http://pastebin.ca/979194 really all necessary just to get clojure-mode and its run-lisp working? |
| 03:57.35 | elg | probably |
| 03:59.46 | levi | In short, yes. Different parts of it enable different functionality. |
| 04:00.32 | levi | The auto-mode-alist part can be removed if you don't want it to automatically associate certain buffer names with clojure-mode |
| 04:00.42 | elg | is there a similar facility to vim's ~/.vim/ftplugin/clojure.vim where that could all be done by the dude writing the script and not every single user in ~/.emacs? |
| 04:02.29 | Tene | levi: what kind of earbuds? I'd love to get some decent earbuds. |
| 04:02.45 | levi | Yeah, it's possible to do things like that, but the 'add stuff to .emacs' is the way that is guaranteed to work. |
| 04:03.31 | elg | and guaranteed nightmare upgrade path |
| 04:03.52 | Tene | elg: well you're not doing an upgrade *today*, are you? |
| 04:04.03 | levi | Tene: They're JBL Reference 220s |
| 04:04.07 | Tene | So why do you care about it today? |
| 04:04.19 | elg | no of course it wouldn't matter if I was doing it today, because it'd be easy to fix *today* |
| 04:04.29 | elg | it's 2 years down the road that matters |
| 04:04.46 | levi | elg: People tend to have very personal .emacs-management styles. |
| 04:05.02 | Tene | levi: would you recommend them? |
| 04:05.06 | levi | Tene: Yup. |
| 04:05.36 | Tene | levi: any particular recommended reseller? |
| 04:06.01 | levi | It helps that I get them for about $13, because JBL is a Harman company. :) |
| 04:06.13 | Tene | heh |
| 04:06.15 | levi | I'd recommend them anyway, though, as they really do sound great. |
| 04:06.21 | levi | My dad loves his pair, too. |
| 04:07.07 | Tene | first hit on google is http://hi-earphones.com/ |
| 04:08.03 | Tene | oh, jbl.com |
| 04:12.42 | levi | If you get them, definitely try the different kinds/sizes of tips. |
| 04:12.56 | levi | I wasn't crazy about them until I found the ones that work best. |
| 04:14.08 | levi | I think the poor reviews they got on Amazon were from people who didn't experiment and get a good fit. |
| 04:14.18 | levi | It changes the sound quality immensely. |
| 04:16.09 | tripzero | <3 djmount |
| 04:19.55 | tripzero | anyone know if I can do an if [ -f /media/directory ] on a dir? |
| 04:20.05 | tripzero | in bash? |
| 04:20.40 | elg | $ [ -f /tmp ]; echo $? |
| 04:20.40 | elg | 1 |
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| 04:24.18 | levi | Mmm, Amon Tobin |
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| 04:27.05 | tripzero | elg: so yes? |
| 04:27.07 | tripzero | :p |
| 04:27.17 | elg | that depends on what you expect it to tell you |
| 04:27.27 | elg | it won't hang your kernel |
| 04:27.40 | tripzero | it returned '1'? |
| 04:28.20 | Tene | tripzero: why wouldn't you be able to? |
| 04:28.47 | tripzero | -f = file? i just want to make sure a dir exists in my script |
| 04:28.57 | elg | ` is false |
| 04:29.01 | elg | er, 1 is false |
| 04:29.04 | elg | but /tmp exists |
| 04:29.10 | elg | so I doubt it's what you want |
| 04:29.11 | elg | man test |
| 04:29.13 | tripzero | hmm, guess not |
| 04:29.18 | tripzero | heh |
| 04:29.40 | tripzero | -d = directory |
| 04:29.41 | tripzero | :) |
| 04:30.02 | levi | Man pages are your friends. |
| 04:30.13 | levi | elg: Have you ever listened to Amon Tobin? |
| 04:30.20 | elg | no |
| 04:30.24 | elg | is he an egyptian god? |
| 04:30.35 | tripzero | lol |
| 04:30.37 | levi | No, he's a musician of sorts. |
| 04:30.55 | tripzero | ooo a Gypsy god |
| 04:31.57 | elg | "Sometime back in the mid-90s a fresh faced Brazilian ex-pat living in the UK decided he was going to put down his harmonica, pick up a sampler, and name himself after a Stephen King novel." |
| 04:35.03 | levi | bossa nova + drum'n'bass |
| 04:35.04 | levi | Mmmm. |
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| 04:36.14 | tripzero | woot, I just built upnp client support into LinuxICE 1.0-RC1 |
| 04:36.18 | tripzero | :D |
| 04:36.58 | lakshmi | hi |
| 04:37.46 | tripzero | elo |
| 04:38.09 | RyanE | I've been enjoying the Bossa Nova channel on Rhapsody. |
| 04:38.12 | lakshmi | hey you can see this! |
| 04:39.01 | RyanE | I'll have to lookup Amon Tobim |
| 04:43.00 | levi | The bossa nova is really only on one track, 'One Day In My Garden' |
| 04:43.23 | levi | Some of the others have a lot of jazz influence |
| 04:44.26 | RyanE | Yeah, found it on Rhapsody. |
| 04:44.32 | RyanE | Funky stuff. |
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| 05:08.39 | levi | Hah, Amon Tobin is playing at the NASA Ames Research Center. |
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| 06:28.52 | Sargun | Oh, that's nearby |
| 06:29.04 | Sargun | levi, When? |
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| 13:57.58 | sargun_screen | heya all! |
| 13:58.14 | nick125 | sargun_screen: What's up? |
| 14:13.54 | sargun_screen | Not much nick125 |
| 14:14.04 | sargun_screen | Wondering how to make python ints act like C ints |
| 14:14.10 | nick125 | lol |
| 14:14.12 | nick125 | brb |
| 14:23.12 | elg | wyever for? |
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| 15:29.16 | Jayce^ | goozbach: real life comic fits you today |
| 15:29.24 | goozbach | yeah |
| 15:29.27 | goozbach | saw it |
| 15:29.29 | goozbach | loved it |
| 15:29.37 | goozbach | if only my wife was that cool |
| 15:29.39 | goozbach | :) |
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| 15:37.27 | elg | ~lart emcnabb |
| 15:37.27 | ibot | brandishes Excalibur! "With this sword, I vanquish thee, emcnabb!" and lops off emcnabb's head |
| 15:37.48 | emcnabb | ~lart elg |
| 15:37.48 | ibot | teaches elg that M$ Access is a database. No, really, a database. A real live multi-user... well, ok, not multi-user, but a database. Yeah, that sounds right. |
| 15:44.46 | levi | Good morning. |
| 15:49.03 | emcnabb | levi, good morning |
| 15:52.41 | findlay | emcnabb: how's hte nre CEO? |
| 15:54.00 | findlay | s/hte are/the new/ |
| 15:54.10 | findlay | doesn't know how that happened |
| 15:54.35 | emcnabb | findlay, very good |
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| 16:11.04 | levi | New CEO? |
| 16:14.00 | elg | at pinkhat |
| 16:14.36 | Jayce^ | no, it's hte nre CEO |
| 16:18.14 | tensai | ~rlart |
| 16:18.15 | ibot | takes a rusty axe and swings it violently, taking markl__'s head off |
| 16:19.54 | elg | take a few of those _ off while you're at it |
| 16:22.26 | Jayce^ | google app engine is the next facebook? c'mon jesse... *try* |
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| 16:25.18 | RyanE | Jayce^: he's a jumper. Gotta jump to the new tech. |
| 16:25.40 | RyanE | Personally, I think flat file databases are the new facebook. Of course, I didn't know much about the *old* facebook, so I could be wrong. :) |
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| 16:34.12 | levi | You gotta be a jumper if you're chasing trendiness. |
| 16:34.44 | levi | Trendiness can be pretty popular, if you stay ahead of the wave and get set up for it just right. Or, it can crush you. |
| 16:34.44 | sjansen | ~jump levi |
| 16:34.45 | ibot | ACTION scrambles up the nearest tree, screams, then leaps feet first on top of levi |
| 16:34.56 | levi | s/popular/profitable/ |
| 16:35.02 | RyanE | oog no like trends. oog like stability. bit-twiddling. oog like C. |
| 16:35.11 | RyanE | Grunts |
| 16:36.40 | Jayce^ | jesse is definately all about jumping, that's for sure :) |
| 16:36.41 | levi | Ew, C. |
| 16:37.01 | levi | Jayce^: I wonder what the story behind the shutting down of SocialOptimize is. |
| 16:37.04 | RyanE | Hey, I got no problem if you like a little more 'language' in your Language. :) |
| 16:38.09 | levi | Well, there aren't very many players in the space C occupies, so it's kind of a necessary evil at this point. |
| 16:39.38 | levi | I mean, I do most of my programming in C. |
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| 16:39.49 | levi | I just hate it. :) |
| 16:42.24 | levi | I enjoy what I do with it, though. |
| 17:04.47 | findlay | where's a good local place to pick up a DVD burner? |
| 17:07.56 | tensai | findlay: most of them are made in taiwan. you'll probably need to head over there. |
| 17:09.14 | findlay | crap |
| 17:19.51 | findlay | what's the difference between an SATA cable and an SATA II cable? |
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| 19:46.37 | sjansen | Argh. What's the point of Unison if it can't talk to different versions of itself? |
| 19:47.11 | sjansen | I'm not about to upgrade my server to F8 or switch my laptop to RHEL5. Stupid. |
| 19:50.45 | sjansen | Anyone know of a good replacement for Unison? |
| 19:52.26 | goozbach | rsync? |
| 19:52.32 | goozbach | system imager |
| 19:56.13 | sjansen | Doesn't allow you to review changes before applying. |
| 19:56.28 | sjansen | goozbach: Really? |
| 19:57.46 | sjansen | I thought System Imager was an equivalent to Ghost. |
| 19:58.14 | goozbach | system imager is a imaging system using rsync |
| 19:58.27 | goozbach | doens't do the unison style two way. |
| 19:58.55 | ^Migs^ | http://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/rnr/636935695.html |
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| 20:08.48 | levi | Hmm. Why does a GUI toolkit like GTK need a physics model? |
| 20:10.32 | findlay | heh |
| 20:11.01 | levi | "Boy, this window is really heavy! It sure is hard to drag!" |
| 20:11.03 | sjansen | For realistic animations. Qt already has something like that an used in moderation it gives a real polish to apps. |
| 20:11.24 | levi | What kind of realistic animation? |
| 20:12.21 | sjansen | An item disappears and other items stacked on it bunch then settle, as just one example. |
| 20:12.32 | sjansen | s/bunch/bounce/ |
| 20:13.33 | findlay | apple apps are very theatrical like that |
| 20:14.02 | levi | Nah, that sounds like compiz wankery. |
| 20:18.35 | sjansen | levi: Have you considered the possibility that most people are wankers? |
| 20:19.19 | levi | sjansen: Perhaps most Linux desktop users. |
| 20:20.00 | levi | "If a little eyecandy is good, MORE MUST BE BETTER!" |
| 20:20.32 | levi | Goes back to the days of the original Evolution window manager. |
| 20:20.57 | levi | "Let's waste half of the CPU making rippling water that reflects the windows at the bottom of the screen!" |
| 20:21.32 | levi | "That's SO AWESOME! It looks so much COOLER than Windoze!" |
| 20:22.04 | levi | Nevermind the fact that it actually degrades the experience of using the computer for real tasks. |
| 20:23.05 | sjansen | *shrug* Go back to hacking embedded systems with ed and a rusty nail. |
| 20:23.26 | levi | Anyway, if they build a physics model into GTK, I've no doubt that someone will come up with a subtle and tasteful use for it that I will end up enjoying, but it will be advertised with crazy visual effects that get in the way. |
| 20:24.41 | levi | Don't get me wrong; I like some eyecandy, but not completely superfluous and ostentatious stuff, especially when it gets in the way of using the machine. |
| 20:25.05 | sinuhe | sjansen: Hey! I like ed. Rusty nails, however... |
| 20:25.52 | findlay | levi: and how does that not apply to the OSX gui? |
| 20:27.27 | levi | findlay: There are some superfluous elements there, but aside from the somewhat gaudy look of some GUI elements, most of the animations and such have a usabiilty justification. |
| 20:27.48 | levi | And more recent releases have actually reduced some of the gaudiness. |
| 20:29.00 | findlay | maybe I have a much more limited appreciation for what 'crazy visual effects' are :) |
| 20:29.02 | levi | They key thing about the OS X gui that I love is the smoothness of the windows. Dragging them around doesn't cause nasty, distracting repaints all over the place, and windows can be resized smoothly without jumping around. |
| 20:29.41 | levi | findlay: Have you ever watched the early demos of compiz? Where you drag windows around and they wiggle, and things fade in and out of existence for half a second or so? |
| 20:29.52 | findlay | levi: yes |
| 20:29.57 | findlay | what about it? |
| 20:30.03 | levi | That stuff is silly and gets in the way. |
| 20:30.10 | findlay | exactly |
| 20:30.33 | findlay | my desktop has 0 'effects' |
| 20:30.55 | findlay | except for workspace sliding :) |
| 20:31.06 | levi | Now, the 'genie' effect is useful, because it shows you where a window is going or coming from when it minimizes/maximizes. |
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| 21:42.08 | levi | Sweet, Lars followed my recommendation. |
| 21:50.05 | sjansen | You know, RT is kinda sweet in a bug tracking sort of way. |
| 21:53.07 | findlay | anyone here familliar with imap? |
| 21:53.30 | Jayce^ | sjansen: very much so |
| 21:55.18 | findlay | heh, well I will be |
| 21:55.47 | nick125 | decides to go slightly insane and move his blog to Plone |
| 21:56.23 | nick125 | s/insane/mentally ill/ |
| 21:56.35 | nick125 | I need to get some more memory for my server |
| 21:56.39 | nick125 | 512MB isn't cutting it |
| 21:57.55 | nick125 | Hmm...for $90, I could bump up to 2GB |
| 21:59.28 | sjansen | What're you doing that it's so RAM hungry? |
| 21:59.51 | nick125 | No idea |
| 22:00.02 | findlay | sjansen: does he need to say? Plone?! |
| 22:00.04 | findlay | :) |
| 22:00.31 | findlay | nick125: top and then hit 'M' |
| 22:01.00 | nick125 | Most of it seems to be php-cgi threads |
| 22:02.40 | nick125 | Once I stop lighttpd, my memory usage goes down 120MB |
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| 22:03.34 | RyanE | sounds like something might be messed up with how your fastCGI is setup, if that's how you're calling the PHP from the lighty. |
| 22:03.47 | nick125 | RyanE: I think I need to tweak it a bit |
| 22:06.11 | nick125 | Well, I dropped PHP memory usage 15MB just by setting max-procs |
| 22:07.32 | levi | Woot, I'm sending packets correctly and receiving interrupts. |
| 22:07.39 | RyanE | congrats |
| 22:07.48 | nick125 | awesome |
| 22:07.49 | levi | Hopefully tomorrow I'll have the receive path done. |
| 22:07.58 | sjansen | ~TX levi |
| 22:10.12 | findlay | stupid gmail is sending IMAP responses not in the order that I sent them |
| 22:10.49 | elg | buahaha |
| 22:10.49 | nick125 | findlay: Are you lucky enough to have any kind of request ID? |
| 22:10.58 | elg | watches his first hdhomerun broadcast |
| 22:11.11 | findlay | nick125: what's a request ID? |
| 22:11.19 | findlay | oh |
| 22:11.25 | findlay | no |
| 22:11.33 | findlay | I'll work around it somehow |
| 22:13.26 | findlay | probably by searching the return text |
| 22:13.39 | nick125 | runs depclean on his server |
| 22:14.10 | sjansen | findlay: IIRC, it's perfectly acceptable to respond to IMAP commands out of order. |
| 22:14.38 | findlay | sjansen: well, I don't see anything about orderedness in RFC 2060 |
| 22:15.16 | sjansen | Of course any sane protocol that lets you do that also includes IDs to coordinate request and response, so IMAP probably has something like that too. |
| 22:16.05 | macnewbold | according to the RFC, perhaps you can, but if the software you're talking to doesn't respond the way you want, the RFC doesn't mean much, does it? |
| 22:16.27 | findlay | heh |
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| 22:18.47 | elg | there's neverevereverbeen a show like veggitales |
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| 22:30.23 | encryptz | ~lart redbeard2 |
| 22:30.23 | ibot | pries redbeard2's back open with a screwdriver and flashes a new bootldr to redbeard2 |
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| 22:48.12 | sjansen | Uff da. GL;s new paid time off makes it possible to get up to 15 weeks paid vacation per year.... Wow. |
| 22:48.42 | sjansen | s/15/12/ |
| 22:51.15 | findlay | :%s:\$\([0-9]\+\): "$\1":gc |
| 22:51.19 | findlay | ~x fr en Motif introuvable |
| 22:51.25 | herlo | so get this, my company just increased our PTO from 3wks after 1year to approximately 12wks |
| 22:51.41 | herlo | that woudl be Guru Labs, btw |
| 22:52.04 | findlay | herlo: that's like sooo 3 minutes ago |
| 22:52.23 | herlo | findlay: I had #utah on ignore, who said it first? |
| 22:52.36 | findlay | sjansen |
| 22:52.45 | herlo | ~logs |
| 22:52.46 | ibot | somebody said logs was apt/ibot/infobot/jbot/purl all log daily to http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian | lines that start with a space are not shown | some channels have stats at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz |
| 22:53.30 | herlo | darn! |
| 22:53.33 | herlo | ah well... |
| 22:53.42 | nick125 | wonders how herlo can ignore an entire channel |
| 22:53.56 | herlo | nick125: /ignore #utah, like that |
| 22:54.05 | elg | why do that? |
| 22:54.08 | elg | are we that smelly? |
| 22:54.33 | findlay | yes |
| 22:54.37 | sjansen | Did I mention we're hiring? |
| 22:54.47 | findlay | can you /ignore freenode? |
| 22:54.51 | elg | dvr means never having to watch barney |
| 22:55.00 | findlay | or how about /ignore <reality>? |
| 22:55.03 | herlo | apply to GL and tell them I sent you |
| 22:55.05 | elg | findlay: just unplug that cable there |
| 22:55.19 | herlo | elg: no, I just want to get work done and this channel distracts me |
| 22:55.21 | sjansen | Tell them I sent you, I want the money more than herlo. |
| 22:55.33 | herlo | sjansen really doesn't need it, he has no kids to feed |
| 22:55.54 | sjansen | herlo already has sugar mommas in NY and CA |
| 22:56.18 | herlo | and a son who costs him much more than they can give! |
| 22:56.51 | herlo | sjansen has a girl in every port, he just won't admit it |
| 22:56.58 | herlo | mostly because they are ugly |
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| 22:59.37 | herlo | sorry, I lowered the bar too low... :( |
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| 23:00.54 | Sargun | nick125, |
| 23:00.55 | Sargun | nick125_eee, |
| 23:01.06 | nick125_eee | herlo: wow. Just...wow. |
| 23:01.10 | elg | nick125_eee_fff: |
| 23:01.17 | findlay | _ggg? |
| 23:01.28 | elg | lmnop |
| 23:01.42 | herlo | nick125_eee: come on back to utah! :) |
| 23:01.51 | herlo | and then you can travel to albuquerque |
| 23:02.19 | findlay | heh |
| 23:02.23 | nick125 | I'm kind of surprised that you can actually ignore entire channels in irssi |
| 23:02.43 | nick125 | Sounds pointless...but. |
| 23:04.08 | herlo | nick125: its not though. I like being logged into the channels because I generally have fun talking, but don't want to have to join and unjoin all the time |
| 23:35.17 | RyanE | elg: you likey the hdhomerun? I've thought about getting one... but that will trigger cascading system updates which would get too $$$... |
| 23:36.03 | elg | so far so good |
| 23:37.51 | RyanE | I can afford the HD Homerun, just not the new disk, which will be SATA, which will require a new Mobo and CPU which I'd probably need for HD anyway, etc... |
| 23:38.24 | RyanE | the wife gets bitter on multi-hundred $ purchases. Anything under $100ish flies under the radar. |
| 23:42.45 | elg | well, you can get a SATA card |
| 23:42.47 | elg | I did that |
| 23:42.57 | elg | not recently, but it works great |
| 23:43.15 | RyanE | My mobo only has 3 PCI slots, and I've got 3 tuners in there already. |
| 23:43.30 | RyanE | and I suspect the CPU would need to be a little bigger for HD playback anyway. |
| 23:43.33 | RyanE | time to start saving. |
| 23:44.55 | elg | i have yet to see if my pc can handle hd playback |
| 23:44.57 | elg | probably not |
| 23:45.04 | elg | but I guess it can transcode |
| 23:45.10 | elg | or I can stream to my laptop which can |
| 23:45.28 | elg | depends on how hd the channels I get are |
| 23:46.43 | herlo | RyanE: hi! |
| 23:46.47 | RyanE | herlo: howdy! |
| 23:46.52 | RyanE | herlo: having GN lately? |
| 23:47.15 | elg | GN... Gynecol... |
| 23:47.16 | herlo | RyanE: next Tuesday actually! |
| 23:47.25 | herlo | elg: GameNight! http://gamesutah.org |
| 23:47.32 | herlo | RyanE: I need to blog about that too! |
| 23:47.41 | herlo | er email about it rather |
| 23:48.04 | RyanE | coolness. I may try to come to it. we'll see. |
| 23:48.20 | herlo | RyanE: yay! |