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| 00:23.57 | macnewbold | in case anyone in here isn't on at least one of the lists I posted it to, Code Greene is looking to fill a couple of positions we're opening up. We're a web dev shop, looking for PHP/MySQL ninjas. |
| 00:24.44 | macnewbold | we're also interested in talking to interested linux contractors about a long-term project we're involved with. Required experience is in high availability, clusters, load-balancing, etc. |
| 00:28.18 | Tene | what's the subject line on pllug? |
| 00:29.16 | findlay | macnewbold: you're only doing php/mysql? |
| 00:29.40 | sjansen | ~git++ |
| 00:30.09 | macnewbold | findlay: not sure what you mean... We also do HTML/CSS/AJAX, etc. too |
| 00:30.33 | Heartsbane | macnewbold: django? |
| 00:31.23 | findlay | wonders how much pain sjansen soldiered on through, how many sleepless nights alwasy returning to the same cabalistic invocation, how many times pouring through the same source file before reaching this point |
| 00:31.36 | findlay | aw, he left |
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| 00:32.45 | findlay | macnewbold: I'm asking whether you use any stuff that does the same things as php or mysql, like perl/python/ruby or postgres |
| 00:33.59 | macnewbold | Heartsbane: one of our guys tried django - not sure if it was him or django, or both, but it didn't work out well |
| 00:34.53 | macnewbold | findlay: ah. we have a project we're working on that is in ruby on rails, and we use other db's when necessary. most often it's integrating with some lame MSSQL database or something. |
| 00:34.58 | sontek | macnewbold: django only works well if you are willing to take up their way of thinking |
| 00:35.12 | findlay | heh |
| 00:35.24 | macnewbold | yeah, same with most frameworks. we've started using Cake a bit now, and have liked it mostly |
| 00:36.06 | sontek | Never used cake, my favorite framework is pylons |
| 00:36.44 | findlay | pylons looks nice |
| 00:36.44 | sontek | sqlalchemy + mako is about as amazing as instant mashed potatoes |
| 00:36.56 | findlay | heh |
| 00:38.36 | sontek | The one i've been impressed with the most but haven't actually used yet is catalyst |
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| 00:57.08 | tensai | yuck. instant mashed potatoes are nasty. |
| 00:57.33 | nick125 | I can't believe that ThePlanet charges $40 a month for RAID, not including the monthly fee for the drives. |
| 00:57.43 | bbeattie | I'm trying to build off the svn fixes branch and it's complaining my CPU isn't being detected right. Intel wolfsdale/Core 2 duo E8400 3.0ghz Is this expected? |
| 01:24.06 | levi | bbeattie: What are you trying to build? |
| 01:43.42 | elg | freqtweak is awesome |
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| 01:47.42 | nick125 | Man, Plone hosting is expensive. |
| 01:52.36 | sontek | could get a cheap $10/m vps |
| 01:53.02 | nick125 | Or I could throw myself off a bridge, but I won't do that either. |
| 01:54.39 | sontek | your choice! |
| 01:54.43 | nick125 | All of the options that would be capable of hosting Plone decently are least $80 a month. |
| 01:55.04 | nick125 | I don't know why we can't just get another ADSL line and a small caching VPS and use the dual quad core server, but...who knows. |
| 01:55.54 | nick125 | It would cost about the same as a large VPS, and would have much more power for plone. |
| 01:58.46 | sontek | yeah, i'm not aware of any companie that provide zope hosting |
| 01:59.34 | nick125 | Yeah, and any place that does is almost as much as a dedicated server, if not more. |
| 02:00.53 | sontek | looks like the company I used provides plone |
| 02:00.56 | sontek | and they are cheap |
| 02:01.02 | sontek | http://www.webfaction.com |
| 02:01.14 | nick125 | I need like..20-30GB of storage. |
| 02:01.41 | sontek | Their plan 4 has 24gb |
| 02:01.58 | nick125 | hmm |
| 02:02.19 | sontek | I like them as a shared host |
| 02:16.28 | nick125 | Any opinions on pygtk vs. wxpython? |
| 02:18.28 | elg | i opine that they both use python |
| 02:19.50 | nick125 | The main advantage of using wxpython for my IDE is that it has wxStyledTextCtrl builtin. |
| 02:20.49 | sontek | ~Heartsbane++ |
| 02:20.54 | sontek | ~karma Heartsbane |
| 02:20.54 | ibot | heartsbane has karma of 1 |
| 02:20.58 | sontek | :D |
| 02:21.32 | Heartsbane | Damn I thought it would be atleast -1 |
| 02:21.43 | sontek | ~heartsbane-- |
| 02:21.52 | sontek | ~karma Heartsbane |
| 02:21.52 | ibot | heartsbane has neutral karma |
| 02:22.02 | sontek | owned! |
| 02:22.11 | sontek | ._. |
| 02:22.20 | nick125 | lol |
| 02:25.25 | starzykat | ~sontek++ |
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| 02:27.32 | sontek | hmm, so I'm having a hard time deciding what I want to cook for dinner... i'm between Mexican and Chinese |
| 02:27.43 | sontek | Red Iguana is closer, but Davids is pretty good |
| 02:35.08 | peno | go for red iguana. |
| 02:35.23 | nick125 | What about the blue iguana? |
| 02:35.29 | nick125 | or the green iguana? |
| 02:35.44 | peno | only if you're on meth |
| 02:36.29 | levi | Hrm, uh oh. Apparently my father-in-law's Ubuntu box died during a software update. :/ |
| 02:39.57 | levi | elg: http://blog.rafaelferreira.net/2008/04/couple-of-interesting-dsls.html |
| 02:47.38 | elg | neat |
| 02:48.18 | elg | i still have 100M of disk space taken up by that alan kay presentation that I still need to watch |
| 02:51.58 | levi | If you haven't read the report on the progress of the first year of research at Viewpoints, you can find it here: http://www.vpri.org/html/writings.htm |
| 02:52.22 | levi | It's the "Steps Toward the Reinvention of Programming" one. |
| 02:52.52 | levi | I want to implement the 'Packrat Parsers Can Support Left Recursion' one. |
| 02:54.30 | levi | I'm not all that crazy about parser combinator libraries anymore. Recursive descent parsing, even when it's got a nifty DSL implementing it, has some annoying properties. |
| 02:55.06 | levi | You have to remove left recursion, for one, which I think makes grammars less clear and makes defining semantic actions for your productions more difficult. |
| 02:56.18 | levi | And then, getting error reporting right is difficult. It may be a solved problem, but I couldn't figure it out for my parsing combinator system. |
| 03:11.17 | levi | Man, no one wants to talk about parsers? I'm so bummed. ;) |
| 03:29.06 | elg | i don't remember what combinator libs are |
| 03:29.09 | elg | or I might |
| 03:40.24 | elg | gives this a try http://www.foodnetwork.com/food/recipes/recipe/0,,FOOD_9936_14234,00.html |
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| 05:37.02 | Supaplex | *yawn* |
| 05:49.06 | tensai | tosses a chewing gum wrapper in Supaplex's mouth |
| 06:10.56 | findlay | http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2008-04/uow-hmt040808.php |
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| 08:40.04 | nix_chix0r | hi Sargun |
| 08:40.14 | Sargun | hey nick125 |
| 08:40.16 | Sargun | er nix_chix0r |
| 08:40.17 | Sargun | what's up |
| 08:40.27 | nix_chix0r | just got home |
| 08:40.29 | nix_chix0r | =) |
| 08:40.40 | Sargun | How was your day |
| 08:40.49 | nix_chix0r | not so great |
| 08:41.05 | nix_chix0r | i got issued my dml |
| 08:41.14 | nix_chix0r | put on probation for 18mo at work |
| 08:41.30 | nix_chix0r | cause my medical leave didnt get approved |
| 08:42.47 | Sargun | Oh, I'm sorry. :-( |
| 08:42.58 | Sargun | Why didn't it get approved? |
| 08:43.02 | nix_chix0r | meh whatever |
| 08:43.09 | nix_chix0r | uhh cause m yboss couldnt read the drs handwritting |
| 08:43.13 | nix_chix0r | and thats my fault didnt you know |
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| 09:21.22 | lakshmi | hi |
| 09:34.46 | sontek | hey |
| 09:37.38 | lakshmi | sup? |
| 09:39.07 | sontek | just finishing up some code before I go to bed |
| 09:39.13 | sontek | but almost 4am, i'm sleepy |
| 09:39.24 | sontek | watching la femme nikita too, its actually pretty good |
| 09:39.32 | sontek | reminds me of 24 |
| 10:07.37 | Sargun | la femme nikita? |
| 10:43.02 | nix_chix0r | only a little longer must hold out |
| 10:43.08 | nix_chix0r | mcdonalds will open |
| 10:43.15 | nix_chix0r | and ican walkmy drunkass there and getfood |
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| 11:16.09 | nix_chix0r | fooooood |
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| 12:50.41 | elg | http://www.dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/dilbert-20080409.html |
| 13:02.36 | ^Migs^ | http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/04/a-bearded-font.html |
| 13:22.38 | encryptz | why can't info just use less? i mean seriously. why create your own pager? |
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| 14:22.03 | elg | ~lart tensai |
| 14:22.03 | ibot | cats /dev/urandom into tensai's ear |
| 14:22.16 | tensai | ibot: too loud! |
| 14:23.01 | tensai | ibot: too $elg is <reply> no, you're too $elg |
| 14:23.01 | ibot | okay, tensai |
| 14:23.08 | elg | i am saddened that my package is unaccounted for on ups' tracker |
| 14:23.08 | tensai | ibot: too cool! |
| 14:23.09 | ibot | no, you're too cool! |
| 14:23.23 | elg | left mesquite, tx yesterday morning at 5am |
| 14:23.48 | elg | ~too bad |
| 14:23.48 | ibot | no, you're too bad |
| 14:24.17 | tensai | elg: you've set up channel banks with asterisk before haven't you? |
| 14:24.31 | elg | no but i've pretended to think about doing it |
| 14:25.11 | Tene | encryptz: why can't info just use man? i mean seriously. why create your own documentation system? |
| 14:25.37 | elg | because they're the emacs separatist clan |
| 14:26.39 | elg | simple and effective isn't ogod enough |
| 14:26.41 | elg | more meta! |
| 14:27.39 | elg | and it wouldn't be complete without claiming superiority although obviously inverior (info, not necessarily emacs) |
| 14:28.34 | elg | to be fair info might have had some appeal before the web. but as a hyperlink documentation reader my web browser rocks info any day |
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| 14:29.10 | findlay | elinks ftw |
| 14:31.00 | elg | redbeard2: so I tried AB's microwave popcorn recipe last night |
| 14:31.03 | elg | not too shabby |
| 14:31.17 | elg | but it needs improvement. I don't share AB's affinity for spartan popcorn |
| 14:31.45 | redbeard2 | spartan popcorn: little popcorn with shields and spears? |
| 14:31.48 | elg | i wonder if I used butter instead of oil |
| 14:31.52 | elg | would it burn? |
| 14:32.01 | elg | redbeard2: yeah something like that :) |
| 14:32.02 | redbeard2 | use clarified butter just to be sure |
| 14:32.14 | elg | http://www.foodnetwork.com/food/recipes/recipe/0,,FOOD_9936_14234,00.html |
| 14:32.19 | redbeard2 | and instead of making popcorn, make something good |
| 14:32.24 | elg | :) |
| 14:32.26 | elg | I like popcorn |
| 14:32.34 | elg | butter and salt |
| 14:32.37 | redbeard2 | can't stand popcorn |
| 14:32.47 | elg | what an odd little man |
| 14:33.03 | ^Migs^ | dumb question, how do I search man pages? |
| 14:33.10 | elg | oh no. foodnetwork has added those stupid opportunist ads |
| 14:33.12 | redbeard2 | everybody needs their oddities. the world's oddity is popcorn. |
| 14:33.15 | redbeard2 | ^Migs^: man -k |
| 14:33.19 | ^Migs^ | ah, thanks! |
| 14:33.27 | elg | what better delivery system for butter and salt? |
| 14:33.55 | elg | ^Migs^: but you should use apropos. more arcane |
| 14:34.55 | elg | clarified sounds like a good backup. I hadn't thought of that. but I'll try it unclarified first because I'm lazy and if I can keep being lazy all the better |
| 14:35.58 | elg | redbeard2: do they make some kind of butcher paper bags? something relatively oil-impervious? |
| 14:36.37 | elg | is plotting quick and easy microwave popcorn at work, without the hassle of measuring stuff |
| 14:37.14 | redbeard2 | elg: wouldn't be hard to make one yourself with butcher paper |
| 14:37.28 | findlay | ^Migs^: I usually hit the / key to search |
| 14:37.59 | kai4785 | not here |
| 14:38.22 | ^Migs^ | apropos would make me more l33t tho |
| 14:39.57 | kai4785 | Ok |
| 14:40.01 | kai4785 | I chewed off my pinkie nails |
| 14:40.06 | findlay | well, that searches for man pages, not in them |
| 14:40.06 | kai4785 | I think I can survive the rest of the day |
| 14:40.07 | kai4785 | .... |
| 14:40.19 | kai4785 | whoops |
| 14:40.21 | kai4785 | wrong window, haha |
| 14:41.45 | redbeard2 | findlay: how about grep -risE 'query' /usr/share/man? |
| 14:41.58 | findlay | heh |
| 14:42.18 | findlay | if all your man pages are in /usr/share/man |
| 14:43.27 | findlay | but when I hear 'search man pages' I think about wanting to search out an option or specific documentation on a command in a man page, and for that I use the less pager's search |
| 14:43.40 | redbeard2 | true, you'll have to check $MANPATH for all of them |
| 14:44.00 | redbeard2 | what if you don't know what man page has them tho? |
| 14:44.21 | redbeard2 | good old grep. feels like perl, especially with -E |
| 14:44.37 | kai4785 | redbeard2: what about man -k? |
| 14:44.47 | findlay | well, I always know what the command is because I'm usually looking at it |
| 14:44.51 | Jayce^ | charlescurley++ |
| 14:45.36 | redbeard2 | kai4785: man -k doesn't search the entire text of the man pages, just keywords |
| 14:46.44 | findlay | redbeard2: when I go to a man page, I already know what command it purports to document |
| 14:46.59 | findlay | I don't usually want to know about all commands that have a -k option |
| 14:47.14 | redbeard2 | findlay: but what if you're trying to find out what the command is? |
| 14:47.46 | findlay | I don't understand how I could ever be in that situation |
| 14:48.29 | findlay | you mean 'I want a command that does <action>' so you `apropos <action>`? |
| 14:48.48 | redbeard2 | findlay: i see students in that situation a lot. but you're right, i rarely find myself in that situation. |
| 14:51.49 | elg | i often find myself in that situation |
| 14:51.54 | elg | not for commands, but for C library functions |
| 14:52.00 | elg | you do know those have manpages, don't you? |
| 14:52.39 | tensai | elg: I pop the popcorn in the microwave. then I melt butter in a little dish and toss them together in a big bowl. |
| 14:52.59 | tensai | putting oil or butter (yes, I tried) in the bag just makes a mess of the microwave |
| 14:53.00 | elg | that's what we do now (air popper not microwave) |
| 14:53.26 | tensai | also, no need to actually staple the bag. just tear a little section and fold it over. |
| 14:53.29 | elg | well we tried the oil thing last night and although the bag does get all oily it didn't seem to make much mess. paper towel under it |
| 14:53.42 | elg | yeah, I figure staples are extraneous |
| 14:53.44 | tensai | I've had them come open a couple times when I overfilled with kernels, but generally not |
| 14:53.56 | elg | so the butter - did it burn? |
| 14:54.01 | elg | did it impart flavor? |
| 14:54.08 | tensai | it's been a while, but I don't recall it burning |
| 14:54.18 | elg | i don't imagine staying closed is all that important, except to keep the popcorn from escaping |
| 14:54.28 | elg | you want the steam to escape after all |
| 14:55.05 | elg | Jayce^: why? |
| 14:55.06 | tensai | when you clean the microwave as often as I do, you get a little worried about eating food which directly comes in contact with it |
| 14:55.23 | kai4785 | hey |
| 14:55.24 | kai4785 | stop that |
| 14:55.33 | tensai | ~stop kai4785 |
| 14:55.33 | ibot | ACTION leaps to his feet and stops kai4785 |
| 14:55.40 | kai4785 | shoot wrong window.... |
| 14:55.46 | kai4785 | sorry again :( |
| 14:56.04 | goozbach | is ashamed he hasn't been paying attention... What's the new hotness in Fedora 9? |
| 14:56.07 | goozbach | ext4? |
| 14:56.20 | elg | tensai: are you saying you're a microwave neat freak, or that your microwave gets dirty amazingly fast? |
| 14:56.30 | kai4785 | ext4, no more SYSV boot, X is supposed to be faster, Firefox3.... |
| 14:56.50 | goozbach | firefox3? |
| 14:56.51 | elg | upstart? |
| 14:56.51 | goozbach | cool |
| 14:57.07 | kai4785 | I think upstart is the name of the replacement for the old SYSV init |
| 14:57.15 | goozbach | looks to be using upstart |
| 14:57.17 | tensai | elg: I've never been much for cleaning microwaves |
| 14:57.20 | redbeard2 | goozbach: is ext4 in f9? |
| 14:57.34 | elg | oic |
| 14:57.35 | kai4785 | they want it to |
| 14:57.36 | goozbach | that's what the proposed features say |
| 14:57.46 | kai4785 | http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/9/FeatureList |
| 14:57.54 | goozbach | I'm just wondereing what's the compelling reason to upgrade |
| 14:57.55 | goozbach | ? |
| 14:57.57 | kai4785 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:58.00 | kai4785 | Looks like they finished it |
| 14:58.23 | trip0 | yay, mono finally built :) |
| 14:58.23 | goozbach | or is this another "fedora core 2"-like launch? |
| 14:58.37 | goozbach | FC2 wasn't ready when it launched |
| 14:58.50 | goozbach | I'm wondering if I should wait for Fedora 10 |
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| 15:02.43 | elg | ~lart sjan |
| 15:02.43 | ibot | tries to shut sjan up |
| 15:03.12 | ^Migs^ | http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/crime/2008/04/09/grace.teen.attack.cnn |
| 15:03.13 | ^Migs^ | wow, wtf |
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| 15:04.54 | ^Migs^ | 6 girls beat the living daylights out of some girl because she was "trash talking" them on myspace |
| 15:06.25 | trip0 | wtf indeed |
| 15:06.31 | elg | their revenge plan was to put a video of the beating on youtube |
| 15:06.39 | elg | i guess they weren't honors students |
| 15:07.32 | trip0 | i think it backfired |
| 15:08.02 | trip0 | not only weren't they honor students, did they actually think that was a good plan of revenge? |
| 15:08.24 | elg | yeah, that's the proof |
| 15:08.46 | elg | "you'll be so sorry you trash talked us! You'll see, when we're in jail!" |
| 15:08.50 | trip0 | i hope those 8, go to jail |
| 15:08.56 | trip0 | rofl |
| 15:09.24 | ^Migs^ | this is typical irrational teenage girl thinking |
| 15:09.33 | ^Migs^ | they don't fight fair, and they fight for stupid reasons |
| 15:09.43 | ^Migs^ | at least when boys fight they just fight until someone is defeated, then move on with their lives |
| 15:10.10 | elg | then there's flame wars |
| 15:10.17 | ^Migs^ | They might even become friends later. Girls hold grudges FOREVER |
| 15:11.44 | elg | as much as I'd like to stay and beat up on tensai, I need to do some serious writing today |
| 15:11.50 | elg | ~lart tensai |
| 15:11.50 | ibot | dumps 42 tons of dirt, manure, and fish heads on tensai |
| 15:11.54 | elg | so I'll hire ibot to do it for me |
| 15:12.42 | tensai | ~petrify elg |
| 15:13.39 | goozbach | nancy grace is UGLY |
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| 15:19.39 | ^Migs^ | do I need to restart anything after changing an /etc/exports file? |
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| 15:22.23 | goozbach | nfs |
| 15:22.29 | goozbach | or run exportfs -a |
| 15:22.40 | fozzmoo | goozbach: you rock. |
| 15:24.22 | goozbach | fozzmoo: why? |
| 15:24.39 | goozbach | not that I dissagree, but why do you think I rock? |
| 15:25.04 | fozzmoo | goozbach: Well, you generally rock... but you came through for ^Migs^ |
| 15:25.28 | goozbach | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:25.29 | ^Migs^ | nice, thanks goozbach |
| 15:29.15 | fozzmoo | goozbach: But she just gave birth to twins. |
| 15:30.26 | goozbach | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:30.57 | fozzmoo | She's a former prosecutor, man. |
| 15:32.08 | goozbach | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:32.19 | fozzmoo | Anyone see the new HNN show "Not Just Another Cable News Show"? |
| 15:32.36 | fozzmoo | It premiered this last weekend. |
| 15:32.40 | fozzmoo | Very funny. |
| 15:32.57 | fozzmoo | Kind of like... a VH1 treatment of news. |
| 15:33.26 | fozzmoo | with comics and writers composited over the top commenting on various news stories. |
| 15:33.30 | goozbach | does it have attractive anchors? |
| 15:34.03 | fozzmoo | UHm... a couple of the comics are cute. |
| 15:34.27 | fozzmoo | http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2008/03/28/not.just.another.cable.cnn |
| 15:36.01 | goozbach | watching it |
| 15:36.03 | goozbach | now |
| 15:38.23 | goozbach | yeah, I'm thinking meh |
| 15:38.47 | trip0 | sontek: i've successfully built mono now. Do I need to add my /opt/mono to my PATH ? |
| 15:41.51 | goozbach | the only thing which was funny in that video was cobert |
| 15:42.13 | fozzmoo | I watched the show this weekend. Thought it was pretty funny. |
| 15:43.18 | fozzmoo | They showed Gore from 2000... the democratic convention... |
| 15:43.27 | fozzmoo | Tommy Lee Jones came out to introduce him. |
| 15:43.36 | fozzmoo | Apparently they were old college roommates. |
| 15:43.51 | fozzmoo | Says they would skip class together, watch Star Trek... |
| 15:44.05 | Jayce^ | fozzmoo: gore's your hero! |
| 15:44.06 | fozzmoo | One of the girl comics commented on that... |
| 15:44.26 | fozzmoo | Okay- so they're trying to prove he's not a nerd... he didn't go to class all the time... |
| 15:44.31 | fozzmoo | instead he watched Star Trek... |
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| 15:45.05 | fozzmoo | Funny. |
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| 15:57.37 | sontek | trip0: I wouldn't add it to your PATH |
| 15:57.50 | sontek | trip0: look at that parallel mono page I sent you yesterday, they have a bash script you can use |
| 15:58.43 | trip0 | :) |
| 15:58.46 | trip0 | kk |
| 15:58.53 | trip0 | i'm also building the new monodevelop |
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| 16:04.44 | levi | Morning, folks. |
| 16:05.01 | jbellis | morning, levi |
| 16:06.15 | levi | Wassup, jbellis? |
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| 16:15.31 | levi | http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/ifa2007/fingers+on-with-the-mp3-lederhosen-and-hunting-jacket-295908.php |
| 16:18.34 | Tene | http://dean.edwards.name/IE7/ -- interesting |
| 16:20.11 | trip0 | Tene: don't believe it, it's a TRAP!! |
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| 16:20.27 | Tene | A trap, or a trip? |
| 16:20.29 | trip0 | keyword: "like" a standards-compliant |
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| 16:27.51 | levi | Oh look, SocialOptimize is closing down. |
| 16:40.07 | levi | Crazy, x86 is, with SSE 4.2, getting new string manipulation instructions. |
| 16:40.22 | levi | The aim, I guess, is to accelerate XML processing. |
| 16:40.59 | levi | Also, a CRC instruction and some sort of a pattern-matching helper. |
| 16:41.12 | levi | And lower latency thread synchronization instructions. |
| 16:41.42 | pelaofeliz | wps: what do you mean by 'multi-line edit in vi'? |
| 16:41.50 | trip0 | doesn't x86-64 already have some stronger string manipulation instructions? |
| 16:41.55 | wps | edit multiple lines at the same time |
| 16:42.23 | wps | my desktop editor does it |
| 16:42.31 | pelaofeliz | like a search & replace? |
| 16:42.34 | wps | no |
| 16:42.42 | wps | here, let me show you an example |
| 16:43.03 | pelaofeliz | ...or a macro? |
| 16:44.06 | wps | http://screencast.com/t/L4dLk80W |
| 16:45.31 | levi | No, vi doesn't do that as far as I'm aware. |
| 16:45.42 | levi | What editor is that? |
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| 16:46.01 | wps | Coda: http://www.panic.com/coda/ |
| 16:46.05 | wps | bummer |
| 16:46.16 | wps | I often have to comment out multiple lines in config files on remote servers |
| 16:46.17 | levi | Ahh, cool. |
| 16:46.39 | levi | Well, you can easily insert a comment character on multiple lines. |
| 16:46.47 | wps | how? |
| 16:47.15 | Migs | I prefer Aptana |
| 16:47.22 | Migs | at least that has an open source version |
| 16:47.51 | levi | Do a visual select of the lines, then hit : and type s/^/<string to insert>/ |
| 16:48.10 | ^Migs^ | whoa, why were there two of me? |
| 16:48.46 | levi | If you want to delete it, you can do the rectangle-based visual select and then just hit x. |
| 16:49.00 | ^Migs^ | one of me is enough for the world, kthx |
| 16:49.18 | levi | ^Migs^: One might even go so far as to say that one of you is *more* than enough. :P |
| 16:49.32 | wps | thanks |
| 16:50.30 | ^Migs^ | nonsense |
| 16:50.40 | levi | emacs typically has language-aware modes that have 'comment region' commands, so you just select the lines and run that command. |
| 16:50.48 | ^Migs^ | that would be like saying there's one too many suns. |
| 16:51.09 | ^Migs^ | of course the world needs one of me. But two of me would be too much awesomeness to contain. Much like two suns would incinerate the planet. |
| 16:52.20 | levi | Well, Arthur Clarke didn't seem to think so, since he proposed the idea of turning Jupiter into another sun. |
| 16:53.26 | ^Migs^ | and look where that craziness got him |
| 16:53.41 | trip0 | wonders: since Saturn is less dense than water, if something hit it with enough velocity, would it just pass right through it? |
| 16:54.12 | wps | yes |
| 16:54.16 | trip0 | and then would it explode? |
| 16:54.19 | wps | no |
| 16:54.39 | trip0 | starts the outline for a new sci-fi book... |
| 16:54.42 | ^Migs^ | I wonder if we could introduce some chemical into Saturn to turn it pink |
| 16:54.51 | trip0 | lol |
| 16:55.02 | levi | trip0: Depends on which part of the planet you attempted to pass through, and whether you minded being crushed by extreme pressure in the process. |
| 16:55.08 | ^Migs^ | like, megagallons of pink food coloring |
| 16:56.11 | levi | trip0: Attempting to pass through the part that's solid hydrogen or the core of solid water, methane, and ammonia would probably be unsuccessful. |
| 16:57.16 | trip0 | is the core is ICE? |
| 16:57.33 | trip0 | yeah, I guess that would be kinda tough |
| 16:57.34 | ^Migs^ | you can pass through anything with enough velocity |
| 16:57.36 | ^Migs^ | and mass |
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| 16:58.17 | levi | Well, yeah, if you were playing cosmic billiards, you could probably shatter Saturn's core with a well-shot neutron star or something. :P |
| 16:58.22 | trip0 | we should create a weapon to demonstrate that |
| 16:58.39 | trip0 | I propose a space station |
| 16:58.56 | trip0 | it's primary weapon would have enough firepower to destroy saturn |
| 16:59.05 | levi | Nothing man-made is going to pass through the core of Saturn. |
| 16:59.16 | trip0 | we should call it, the "Test-Star" |
| 17:00.59 | trip0 | or something fierce like: the "spinach-star" |
| 17:01.11 | trip0 | that way, nobody will mess with it |
| 17:01.29 | levi | I like spinach. |
| 17:01.42 | trip0 | levi: you can be the commander then |
| 17:06.16 | sontek | damn it, comcast has decided to block me from sending e-mail out on 25 |
| 17:10.03 | sjansen | Anyone know how to type unicode into gnome-terminal? |
| 17:10.49 | goozbach | sjansen: shift-ctrl-u |
| 17:10.57 | goozbach | â² |
| 17:11.16 | goozbach | then type the code |
| 17:11.24 | goozbach | ⸠|
| 17:12.19 | sjansen | Hmmms, it seems to be almost working. Any reason Vim would get in the way? |
| 17:12.35 | goozbach | haven't tried it in vim |
| 17:12.59 | sjansen | Silly me, forgot to switch to insert mode. |
| 17:13.08 | sjansen | ~goozbach++ |
| 17:13.32 | goozbach | jay! |
| 17:13.41 | goozbach | ~karma goozbach |
| 17:13.41 | ibot | goozbach has karma of 1 |
| 17:13.44 | goozbach | yay! |
| 17:14.37 | sontek | â² |
| 17:18.04 | goozbach | â
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| 17:18.12 | goozbach | á´ |
| 17:18.18 | goozbach | this is fun |
| 17:23.33 | rsimpkins | ,.;:*^ This is a subliminal message. You will come to PLUG tonight at 7:30pm. You will not go anywhere else. ^*:;., |
| 17:24.44 | sjansen | vim++ |
| 17:25.00 | sontek | ooh plugin is tonight! |
| 17:25.19 | sontek | hopefully the HP guy will talk about their mini-laptop :] |
| 17:25.29 | sontek | and give me one, that'd be good! |
| 17:25.46 | rsimpkins | Does anyone care at all about seeing any HP gear? |
| 17:25.56 | sontek | Just their new mini laptop |
| 17:26.12 | rsimpkins | K, I won't bring any up unless I hear a request. |
| 17:26.15 | sjansen | I just edited ~200 files replacing hyphen-minus with the appropriate character(s). |
| 17:26.49 | sontek | My request is the HP 2133 !! |
| 17:26.55 | sontek | make it happen! |
| 17:27.04 | sjansen | rsimpkins: Could you bring one of their new 100TB storage arrays? |
| 17:27.25 | sjansen | s/100/500/ |
| 17:29.53 | rsimpkins | sjansen: Well, if you're really interested I've got an interesting storage thing to show you. |
| 17:30.15 | rsimpkins | sjansen: None of our big stuff is here though. |
| 17:31.02 | sjansen | How interesting? I was mostly interested in watching you lug a 5 ton piece of hardware up the stairs. But I'm always open to cool tech. |
| 17:31.35 | rsimpkins | sjansen: Ahh, well, thank goodness for elevators. |
| 17:32.36 | rsimpkins | sjansen: It uses Infiniband, is a clustered storage system, has full cache-coherency across the cluster, and is pretty dawg on cheap for what it does. |
| 17:32.57 | rsimpkins | sjansen: Well, cheap is realative. Cheap for enterprise class storage. |
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| 17:34.02 | inkynoob | Does anyone know how to do a 'ps' command which will show which group a command is running as? |
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| 17:35.18 | rsimpkins | inkynoob: ps -eo gid,pid,cmd seems to work. |
| 17:35.48 | rsimpkins | inkynoob: ps -eo group,user,pid,cmd is probably more what you want tho. |
| 17:36.43 | inkynoob | ah, "-o format user-defined format", I missed that when I went through the man page |
| 17:36.46 | inkynoob | thank you |
| 17:36.58 | rsimpkins | np |
| 17:49.31 | sjansen | Isn't it great that Linux ps has all the complexity of SysV ps _and_ BSD ps? |
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| 18:00.59 | elg | ~lart jsmith-mobile |
| 18:00.59 | ibot | smacks jsmith-mobile up side the head with a clue-by-4 |
| 18:02.56 | elg | :.,+6s/^/#/ |
| 18:03.01 | elg | that's too much mind |
| 18:03.07 | elg | ctrl-v baby |
| 18:05.06 | tensai | There is no Vi but Vim and Desert is his Color Scheme |
| 18:10.42 | elg | is getting more sick of TDD koolaid every day |
| 18:16.03 | sontek | I use tango |
| 18:16.09 | sontek | for vim |
| 18:16.54 | elg | you are forgiven |
| 18:17.05 | sontek | ~color elg |
| 18:17.06 | ibot | ACTION scribbles all over elg including outside the lines |
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| 18:51.01 | Tene | elg: But what about BDD? |
| 18:51.08 | Tene | It's different, right? |
| 18:52.50 | elg | it's just as useless but harder to do |
| 18:52.55 | elg | so yeah, it's different |
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| 19:24.08 | goozbach | you know what sucks? |
| 19:24.15 | goozbach | getting people's names messed up |
| 19:24.37 | goozbach | is it sad I don't know the names of all 4 of the scouts I'm a leader for? |
| 19:25.10 | trip0 | lol, how long have you been scout leader? |
| 19:26.15 | sjansen | goozbach: Time for everyone to work on their "Wearing a Name Tag" badge. |
| 19:26.58 | goozbach | trip0: 2 *COUGH*months*COUGH* |
| 19:27.14 | goozbach | I just called the wrong parent |
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| 19:27.39 | goozbach | "just calling to tell <wrongname> there isn't scouts tonight" |
| 19:27.43 | goozbach | -- |
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| 19:28.12 | goozbach | "but <wrongname> isn't in your patrol yet, he's still a cubscout" |
| 19:29.21 | trip0 | lol |
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| 19:52.23 | levi | elg: What's making you more sick of TDD? |
| 19:59.48 | rsimpkins | Does anyone know the latest version of software for the iPhone? |
| 20:04.40 | rsimpkins | ¿ÇpoÉıun Æuısn ÊxÇÊ É¹noÊ dılÉ oÊ looÉ os Êı sı ÊÉ¥Ê |
| 20:05.13 | goozbach | rsimpkins: because |
| 20:05.25 | rsimpkins | ¿ÊÉ¥Ê ÇsnÉÉÇq |
| 20:05.58 | rsimpkins | I guess I can flip my monitor over on it's head. |
| 20:06.11 | rsimpkins | ËsÄ±É¥Ê pÉÇɹ plnoÉ Ä± uÇÉ¥Ê |
| 20:07.17 | goozbach | rsimpkins: whatcha using to do that? |
| 20:07.31 | rsimpkins | ËpɹÉoqÊÇÊ Êɯ |
| 20:07.46 | goozbach | one char at at time using unicode? |
| 20:07.50 | goozbach | dedication |
| 20:08.05 | rsimpkins | No, that would take too long silly. Google it. :) |
| 20:08.11 | goozbach | å餣 |
| 20:08.33 | goozbach | I could use Text::UpsideDown |
| 20:11.40 | rsimpkins | â
â
¡ â
¢ â
£ â
¤ â
¥ |
| 20:14.56 | rsimpkins | Is it â, have you forgotten your â? So cold it is â? Well, you're in â. I have â â. Just â. |
| 20:15.34 | rsimpkins | I wish I could have unicode in my nic. :) â rsimpkins â |
| 20:15.44 | Sargun | heh |
| 20:15.52 | rsimpkins | ⢠⣠â ⤠|
| 20:17.27 | rsimpkins | Woot, pizza at PLUG tonight anyone? |
| 20:17.49 | Jayce^ | rsimpkins: woot |
| 20:18.55 | rsimpkins | Carl Youngblood (Confreaks) will be providing it |
| 20:19.20 | Jayce^ | and leads on the server |
| 20:19.23 | Jayce^ | ? |
| 20:19.41 | rsimpkins | I'm hoping I can get to talk to someone at Tier 4. |
| 20:19.51 | rsimpkins | Lots of people have e-mailed me saying they'd host it in their closet/home. |
| 20:20.00 | rsimpkins | That's last, last, last resort. |
| 20:20.19 | rsimpkins | Jayce^: Is it a rack mount box? |
| 20:20.33 | rsimpkins | Jayce^: Maybe you can snap a pic of it? |
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| 20:21.32 | RyanE | I'd offer to host plug, but I'm out of ports on my network switches at home.. :) |
| 20:21.43 | RyanE | and I'm no DSL with a slow upload. :( |
| 20:21.50 | RyanE | make that ...on |
| 20:21.51 | rsimpkins | I'll host it on my server in san diego before then. It is in a solid datacenter. |
| 20:21.56 | rsimpkins | Very good connectivity. |
| 20:22.09 | rsimpkins | Just would prefer to find a local - Utah County - datacenter to put it in. |
| 20:22.15 | RyanE | makes sense. |
| 20:22.18 | Jayce^ | rsimpkins: yeah, rack mount |
| 20:22.24 | rsimpkins | Jayce^: Cool, thanks. |
| 20:22.42 | Jayce^ | we can move off the hardware if wanted, it's an old box |
| 20:22.49 | sontek | rsimpkins: well, if no one in provo can take it, you can put it in our rack at Orchid |
| 20:22.55 | sontek | rsimpkins: but we are in Salt Lake |
| 20:22.56 | rsimpkins | Jayce^: I'm trying to get some HP gear donated. ;) |
| 20:23.21 | Jayce^ | maybe talking about the box while the rep is there will help in getting that to happen |
| 20:23.32 | rsimpkins | Jayce^: I think it would come from Omniture, actually. |
| 20:23.47 | Jayce^ | hey, even better if you can leverage both :) |
| 20:23.58 | Jayce^ | sontek: that would make you the hands-on admin :) |
| 20:24.14 | Jayce^ | if you're ok with that, then location doesn't matter so much |
| 20:24.46 | rsimpkins | I really wish we could host it here, but we are extra sensitive about stuff like. |
| 20:25.20 | RyanE | yeah, hosting 'on the side' when you're a hosting company is very slippery slope... *very* |
| 20:25.27 | sontek | Jayce^: Well, hopefully ssh will be hands on enough ;) |
| 20:25.57 | rsimpkins | sontek: You wanna be the PLUG admin? You have to pass the PLUG admin test. :) |
| 20:26.11 | sontek | Jayce^: but I don't mind having to admin it once in awhile, but if it becomes a full time job someone else will have to step up ;) |
| 20:26.33 | sontek | rsimpkins: do I have to walk on coals and lay on a bed of nails? |
| 20:26.37 | findlay | sontek: for 100 points, what is the number of files in a typical /usr directory? |
| 20:26.45 | rsimpkins | lol |
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| 20:26.58 | sontek | findlay: 42 |
| 20:27.02 | findlay | yay |
| 20:28.30 | sjansen | use Error qw(:try) <-- Evil. Half-a**** imitation exceptions. LIES! LIES! LIES! |
| 20:30.28 | findlay | heh |
| 20:30.36 | findlay | ~try sjansen |
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| 20:31.06 | findlay | ~lart lakshmi |
| 20:31.06 | ibot | pulls out a ClueBat (tm) and thwaps lakshmi |
| 20:31.28 | lakshmi | meh |
| 20:31.40 | sjansen | ~greet lakshmi |
| 20:31.41 | ibot | ACTION dumps a bucket of cold oatmeal on lakshmi |
| 20:31.41 | findlay | ~entertan lakshmi |
| 20:31.51 | findlay | ~entertain lakshmi |
| 20:31.52 | ibot | ACTION shows lakshmi a real live elephant while sky diving |
| 20:31.52 | lakshmi | eww oatmeal |
| 20:37.49 | Sargun | lol |
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| 20:42.45 | elg | levi: attitudes |
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| 20:46.29 | ^Migs^ | they just installed some display multipliers here. Now from our cubicles we can just flip a switch and instantly our display will appear on the projector |
| 20:46.37 | ^Migs^ | I think it overrides whoever's showing their screen when you flip the switch |
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| 20:51.42 | findlay | ^Migs^: why? |
| 20:52.34 | ^Migs^ | for collaborative effect |
| 20:52.48 | ^Migs^ | I guess. I don't know, I suggested it. I didn't know they'd actually do it. |
| 20:52.48 | findlay | and does it? |
| 20:52.53 | findlay | heh |
| 20:53.00 | ^Migs^ | don't know yet. Haven't tried it for any useful reason. |
| 20:53.07 | findlay | how could you take advantage of that? |
| 20:53.28 | findlay | you coul post an 'xkcd of the day' up there |
| 20:53.31 | ^Migs^ | I'm working on something, and say, "Hey everyone, look at this!" and just pop it on the big screen |
| 20:53.40 | sjansen | elg: What do you have against TDD? |
| 20:53.40 | ^Migs^ | oh yeah, definitely |
| 20:53.50 | findlay | 'wow, look at that compile!' |
| 20:53.54 | ^Migs^ | I imagine we'll have something going all the time on there |
| 20:54.19 | elg | I have nothing against TDD. I think it's a valid and noble effort into reducing bugs and probably the best way to do testing |
| 20:54.44 | elg | it's not a silver bullet, and I'm tired of hearing that it is |
| 20:54.59 | elg | or the converse, that it's suicide if every loc you write isn't tdd |
| 20:56.20 | elg | i've tried tdd a few times. it took longer, but I had tests. I don't feel that it helped me get better code design, but simply validation through testing. in fact, I felt more than once the OC need to test every function fly in the face of real design taht I should have been thinking about |
| 20:56.25 | elg | just another tool |
| 20:56.30 | elg | not a religion |
| 20:58.35 | nick125 | TDD? |
| 20:58.49 | RyanE | Test-Driven Development |
| 20:58.53 | nick125 | aah |
| 20:58.58 | RyanE | Unless they mean the phones for the deaf... :) |
| 20:59.49 | sontek | we use test driven development, we release and let our clients test, if they find bugs it drives us to fix it |
| 21:02.22 | eggyknap | We're trying to adopt frAgile. |
| 21:02.58 | nick125 | has been trying to gtfcd. |
| 21:03.14 | nick125 | get the f**king code done. |
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| 21:04.13 | eggyknap | wondered what that was. |
| 21:06.34 | levi | I'm trying to get this stupid ethernet mac to transmit some packets. :P |
| 21:06.47 | nick125 | hands levi the cattle prod |
| 21:07.10 | findlay | is trying to stay awake through all his classes |
| 21:07.20 | nick125 | uses the cattle prod on findlay |
| 21:08.34 | Sargun | levi, what MAC is it? |
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| 21:13.43 | levi | Sargun: It's a MAC inside a new chip that I can't talk about. |
| 21:14.02 | Sargun | Aw.. |
| 21:14.57 | levi | Even if I told you, I doubt you'd know anything about it. Google doesn't even know anything about it. |
| 21:18.48 | Sargun | Well, I'm guessing its a new generation of an older chip |
| 21:19.17 | levi | Nope. |
| 21:19.33 | levi | I imagine the mac core itself has been used elsewhere, but I have no idea where. |
| 21:19.52 | Sargun | Brand new chip? What's so special about it? |
| 21:20.01 | levi | Duh. |
| 21:20.25 | Sargun | Well. I'm asking what's so special about -this- chip. |
| 21:20.42 | levi | It does EthernetAV, of course. |
| 21:21.51 | rsimpkins | levi: Don't you need to use converter boxes to make all that stuff work? |
| 21:22.05 | levi | rsimpkins: All what stuff? |
| 21:22.15 | rsimpkins | Ethernet AV |
| 21:22.28 | rsimpkins | Are there any devices that support it nativley? I don't know enough about it - sorry. |
| 21:22.41 | levi | Ethernet AV doesn't exist in final form yet. |
| 21:22.45 | rsimpkins | Ahh. |
| 21:23.23 | rsimpkins | levi: So these guys are selling like a pre-hyped version of it or something: http://www.ethernetav.com/ |
| 21:25.21 | levi | Heh, I hadn't seen that before. It's unrelated. |
| 21:25.59 | rsimpkins | Ahh |
| 21:29.19 | levi | Look for things related to the IEEE 802.1 Audio/Video Bridging Task Group |
| 21:31.02 | levi | There are a number of converter box gadget thingies that transmit audio and video over ethernet now, but they're generally incompatible with one another, expensive, and don't have any QoS guarantees. |
| 21:31.50 | Sargun | There are a lot of media network devices |
| 21:34.00 | sjansen | rsimpkins: Any luck find a new home for the Plug server yet? |
| 21:34.56 | Sargun | how much are you paying |
| 21:35.01 | Sargun | ;-) |
| 21:46.35 | rsimpkins | sjansen: I'm hoping I can get an in to TeirFour. |
| 21:46.51 | rsimpkins | sjansen: If that doesn't pan out, I'll try to pin someone down at X-Mission or another provider. |
| 21:48.10 | rsimpkins | Boy, you wanna know how to make a girl happy? Buy her a really expensive gift. |
| 21:49.26 | elg | like a moose |
| 21:49.49 | levi | Or a fence. |
| 21:50.07 | rsimpkins | Anything in the $1500+ range is about right. |
| 21:50.25 | elg | a used honda |
| 21:50.31 | levi | Only $1500? The fence I got was way more than that. |
| 21:50.42 | rsimpkins | levi: No, that's the minimum. |
| 21:51.19 | rsimpkins | levi: Gifts above $10,000 put you in to a different category of girl I don't understand, so that's probably the limit. :) |
| 21:51.52 | levi | Fortunately the fence was less than $10,000. |
| 21:52.38 | elg | cool. I now have no home directory on my cs acct |
| 21:52.44 | elg | hopefully this is temporary :-P |
| 21:53.36 | RyanE | elg: there's no place like home. |
| 21:53.44 | RyanE | tap your heels together 3 times. |
| 21:53.52 | rsimpkins | RyanE: There is no place like ~. |
| 21:54.18 | RyanE | yeah, I like the 'english' version better than the 'geek' one. Anything that's on a T-shirt gets rated down in my brain. |
| 21:54.27 | RyanE | but that's just me. |
| 21:54.32 | rsimpkins | Or no place like 127.0.0.1 for those of us with servers. ;) |
| 21:54.35 | elg | you don't like tshirts? |
| 21:54.41 | RyanE | no pockets |
| 21:54.44 | elg | there's no place like localhost? |
| 21:54.56 | rsimpkins | RyanE: Why? Geeky T-Shirts r0x0rz |
| 21:55.20 | RyanE | I've turned into my dad, and don't wear t-shirts anymore. |
| 21:55.26 | RyanE | mainly because they don't have pockets. |
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| 22:01.17 | shnockshnee_ | hi |
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| 22:12.22 | sontek | ~onjoin sontek ¡ooÊ ÊxÇÊ spɹÉÊÊÉÉq ÇÊÉÉ¥ I |
| 22:12.22 | ibot | ok, sontek |
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| 22:25.53 | elg | i taught pointers today |
| 22:25.58 | elg | heads swam |
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| 22:36.26 | findlay | heh |
| 22:42.48 | findlay | man, I'm so bored |
| 22:43.01 | findlay | I caught myself reading stale backlog for no reason |
| 22:44.48 | dataw0lf | I'm reading all my automated cron emails, don't feel too bad. And participating in the hilarious conversation that is slowly devolving into a language war yet again on PLUG. |
| 22:45.18 | findlay | really? I didn't see you post anything |
| 22:45.33 | dataw0lf | my name is Josh Fenio now |
| 22:45.39 | dataw0lf | >_< |
| 22:46.01 | dataw0lf | finally took my (step) dad's name. he adopted my other brothers and sisters while I was in Iraq and I thought it was high time I finally changed it. |
| 22:46.31 | findlay | glad to hear it :-) |
| 22:46.57 | findlay | this looks (for now) like a python vs java war |
| 22:47.22 | findlay | maybe with a few key posts I can steer it towards an anti-XML multirant |
| 22:47.27 | dataw0lf | oooh |
| 22:47.32 | dataw0lf | do it |
| 22:47.54 | findlay | well, I've got no angle to try it with |
| 22:47.58 | dataw0lf | ah |
| 22:48.17 | dataw0lf | "well, Python has way better XML tools, so I'm definitely going to have to lean toward Java" or something similar |
| 22:49.36 | findlay | "I heard google uses XML for all it's data storage and transmission needs", then make a fake wikipedia article to back it up |
| 22:50.18 | dataw0lf | haha |
| 22:51.30 | levi | Woot! I transmitted a packet! |
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| 23:23.49 | elg | levi: what's the best emacs on osx now? |
| 23:27.26 | synic | rsimpkins: ping |
| 23:30.37 | rsimpkins | ~pong synic |
| 23:30.38 | ibot | synic: PONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 23:31.17 | synic | can I message you? |
| 23:31.28 | rsimpkins | Of course. |
| 23:31.46 | rsimpkins | has an open /msg policy. :) |
| 23:41.02 | Supaplex | http://ogden.craigslist.org/sys/636609972.html complete core2duo system, easy on the wallet. |