| 00:08.50 | findlay | D-branes! |
| 00:08.56 | findlay | M-Theory FTW! |
| 00:09.25 | Supaplex | *burp* |
| 00:11.11 | *** topic/#utah by sjansen -> http://plug.org/irc | Channel log @ http://ibot.rikers.org/%23utah/ | UTOSC 2008 Call for Papers @ http://2008.utosc.com | Cantaloupe |
| 00:13.57 | Tene | keldwud: nethack? adom! |
| 00:15.08 | keldwud | mac user? |
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| 00:16.40 | keldwud | so hat makes adom different than the other roguelikes? |
| 00:16.46 | keldwud | s/hat/what/ |
| 00:18.59 | Tene | I enjoy it and bother coming back, is the biggest feature for me. |
| 00:19.30 | Tene | The others I've tried just aren't... fun. |
| 00:19.33 | keldwud | I may check it out then. *checks his apt-get list* |
| 00:19.35 | Supaplex | down boy down! |
| 00:19.39 | Supaplex | ~lart machine lag |
| 00:19.39 | ibot | whips machine lag with a wet and grimy noodle just because |
| 00:20.29 | keldwud | "couldn't find package adom" |
| 00:38.51 | Supaplex | ~onjoin sjansen |
| 00:39.41 | Supaplex | ~onjoin sjansen Important shell scripting skills you say? Sun replies with "Setting up Java. Please wait... (forever)" |
| 00:39.41 | ibot | Supaplex: ok |
| 00:41.30 | nick125 | Wow..those LDAP people thought of everything |
| 00:41.38 | nick125 | # 9.3.5. Favourite Drink |
| 00:41.42 | nick125 | # The Favourite Drink attribute type specifies the favourite drink of |
| 00:41.42 | nick125 | # an object (or person). |
| 00:43.16 | Tene | keldwud: closed-source. :( :( |
| 00:45.36 | keldwud | it's allright, closed source doesn't make me cry. |
| 00:45.38 | keldwud | laughs |
| 00:46.15 | keldwud | aggressive litigation over IP, however, *does* make me cry |
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| 02:35.28 | levi | Good evening. |
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| 02:41.59 | levi | Mmm, creme brulee. |
| 02:45.11 | Sargun | Sounds good. I want some. |
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| 02:50.03 | levi | Mmm, the Cardigans. |
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| 03:24.40 | rsimpkins | levi: You lik The Cardigans? |
| 03:29.08 | levi | Yup. |
| 03:29.17 | elg | levi: would you mind proofreading this lab? http://www.cs.nmsu.edu/~hfugal/spring08/cs167/labs/lab8.html |
| 03:29.52 | elg | in particular, is it clear and easy to follow? I think what I'm asking them to do is straightforward enough but I have a feeling I might be making it sound complicated |
| 03:30.01 | elg | they already know how to do a die roll |
| 03:30.09 | elg | this is the first array assignment |
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| 03:35.23 | levi | | You will roll a pair of dice n times, and accumulate the total of the two dice in the appropriate bin of the histogram. |
| 03:35.28 | levi | That line might be a little confusing. |
| 03:36.16 | levi | | You will roll a pair of dice n times. For each roll, increment the bin of the histogram that corresponds to the sum of the two dice. |
| 03:36.41 | elg | yeah |
| 03:38.25 | levi | | One additional percentage of extra credit will be awarded for using a real text editor (such as vim or emacs) for the assignment and report. |
| 03:38.29 | levi | ;) |
| 03:38.43 | elg | hm, more like 20 :) |
| 03:39.00 | levi | rsimpkins: Do you like the Cardigans? |
| 03:40.15 | levi | elg: You might find this interesting: http://clojure.org/news/concurrency_talk.html |
| 03:40.17 | elg | ok, thanks for your feedback |
| 03:40.23 | levi | No problem. |
| 03:40.31 | elg | updated |
| 03:40.44 | levi | If only more teachers had people review their assignments beforehand. |
| 04:01.46 | rsimpkins | levi: I have all their albums, so probably I do. I like Frente! too, do you like them? |
| 04:06.07 | rsimpkins | I need some ideas for FOSS preferences. |
| 04:06.22 | levi | rsimpkins: About all I know about Frente! is that they covered Bizarre Love Triangle. |
| 04:06.40 | rsimpkins | levi: if you like The Cardigans I bet you might like Frente! |
| 04:06.51 | levi | Quite possibly. |
| 04:06.58 | levi | I'll have to try 'em out again. |
| 04:07.28 | levi | If you liked their version of Bizarre Love Triangle, you might like New Order. :) |
| 04:07.48 | rsimpkins | At the moment Fuel is playing, before that Tesla. |
| 04:08.07 | levi | What do you mean by 'ideas for FOSS preferences'? |
| 04:08.25 | levi | And, by the way, I hate the acronym 'FOSS'. |
| 04:08.50 | rsimpkins | Why do you hate FOSS? It's a shortcut that communicates a complex idea - isn't it? |
| 04:09.00 | levi | Purely aesthetic reasons. |
| 04:09.18 | rsimpkins | Maybe that'll be a tech preference 'Do you like the acroymn "FOSS"?' |
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| 04:09.45 | rsimpkins | I'm trying to expand the list of tech preferences on the PLUG site member profiles. |
| 04:10.00 | levi | Before The Cardigans I was playing Lamb. Lamb is awesome. |
| 04:10.17 | rsimpkins | I've already got text editor, window manager, database, browser, destkop distro, server distro, and languages. |
| 04:10.26 | levi | They had a track in Moulin Rouge, though it's not on the soundtrack CD. |
| 04:10.46 | levi | Media player, maybe? |
| 04:11.04 | levi | version control system |
| 04:11.16 | levi | IM client |
| 04:11.19 | levi | IRC client |
| 04:11.20 | rsimpkins | Are there many choices for version control? |
| 04:11.23 | levi | ... |
| 04:11.30 | levi | You're clearly not a developer. :) |
| 04:11.37 | rsimpkins | Well, no duh! :) |
| 04:11.51 | levi | There are only about a bazillion. |
| 04:12.12 | rsimpkins | What are the top, say, 8? |
| 04:12.18 | rsimpkins | What are the ones people fight over? |
| 04:13.50 | levi | cvs, subversion, mercurial, darcs, git, bazaar |
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| 04:14.12 | rsimpkins | bitkeeper? |
| 04:14.32 | rsimpkins | arch, opencm, Aegis, monotone? |
| 04:14.59 | levi | Do you want to include non-free ones as well? |
| 04:15.39 | rsimpkins | I include other propriatary choices in the other lists, if they are popular. |
| 04:15.42 | levi | monotone, svk, and arch are more free ones. |
| 04:15.53 | rsimpkins | For example, a lot of our members use MS Windows as their primary desktop. |
| 04:16.10 | Heartsbane | that makes me cry |
| 04:16.50 | rsimpkins | Heartsbane: It is interesting: http://www.plug.org/memberstats |
| 04:16.51 | levi | bitkeeper, clearcase, visual source safe, and perforce are some popular commercial ones. |
| 04:17.19 | rsimpkins | okay, that's a pretty good list, thanks. |
| 04:17.29 | Supaplex | ~lart net-virt_XB_BETA_snv_81_030708 |
| 04:17.29 | ibot | slaps net-virt_XB_BETA_snv_81_030708 upside the head with a wet fish |
| 04:18.02 | levi | I think Aegis and opencm are probably something different. |
| 04:18.09 | nick125 | svn, git, mercurial, bazaar-ng, cvs < those are the top VCSes off the top of my head |
| 04:18.32 | levi | nick125: And I already mentioned all of them, too. |
| 04:19.07 | Heartsbane | rsimpkins: on your stats page how do you determine you level of expirience? |
| 04:19.19 | nick125 | Don't forget tarball+patches. |
| 04:20.05 | rsimpkins | Heartsbane: You just pick a level you think you're at. Totally arbitrary, but interesting. |
| 04:20.17 | Heartsbane | maybe I should make an account cause I occasionally get down that way |
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| 04:21.00 | levi | Heartsbane: Most of the people with accounts don't show up at meetings, but participate on the list or in IRC or whatever. |
| 04:21.13 | rsimpkins | There is no harm in creating a plug account, nothing happens. |
| 04:21.24 | levi | I imagine there are a couple of Indians from Pune there, too. :P |
| 04:21.32 | rsimpkins | It's really just a way for people to have a profile and maybe get a job or something out of it. |
| 04:21.40 | rsimpkins | A few. :) |
| 04:21.53 | rsimpkins | levi: There were so many I ended up having to delete them. |
| 04:22.00 | rsimpkins | levi: There are still quite a few in there though. |
| 04:22.08 | levi | Silly Indians. |
| 04:22.22 | rsimpkins | levi: When I ran stats the first time, Pune India was the #1 user location - by a long shot. |
| 04:23.13 | Heartsbane | levi: I participate in the mailing list, I usually like to see how long it is just before the thread goes OFF TOPIC |
| 04:23.20 | Heartsbane | :) |
| 04:23.37 | rsimpkins | No such thing as off-topic on PLUG> :) |
| 04:23.49 | Heartsbane | roffles. |
| 04:23.52 | rsimpkins | Unless it is SPAM I guess, or particularly obcene. |
| 04:24.22 | levi | Let's see if I still like Yo La Tengo. |
| 04:24.23 | Heartsbane | Its okay, I just blame Jayce^ |
| 04:24.56 | Heartsbane | wishes this SCP transfer would finish so he can enjoy taking tomorrow off |
| 04:25.14 | rsimpkins | Heartsbane: Why do you blame Jayce^? |
| 04:27.29 | Heartsbane | rsimpkins: just for fun :) |
| 04:29.11 | levi | And yeah, apparently I still like Yo La Tengo. |
| 04:29.14 | Heartsbane | rsimpkins: if you want to know last time I blamed him for anything its because he was wearing a Hasselbeck jersey |
| 04:29.31 | Heartsbane | it was just wrong |
| 04:32.15 | rsimpkins | Well, blaming Jayce^ just for fun is sort of a standard answer. |
| 04:32.40 | tensai | elg: http://www.merit.edu/mail.archives/nanog/msg07129.html |
| 04:32.44 | tensai | elg: more hotmail fun :) |
| 04:34.35 | rsimpkins | Why does anyone even use hotmail any more? |
| 04:34.48 | rsimpkins | It's like AOL - massive subscriber base still. Don't get it. |
| 04:35.31 | levi | rsimpkins: Probably because it's hard to give up an old email address, and inconvenient to use multiple ones. |
| 04:36.31 | tensai | rsimpkins: s/hotmail/any microsoft product/ |
| 04:45.33 | nick125 | I need to go around and file a lot of complaints with websites... |
| 04:45.55 | nick125 | A lot of sites break if you don't have javascript enabled (UPS, IANA, and a few others that I forgot) |
| 05:13.51 | findlay | what's wrong with expecting javascript? |
| 05:14.03 | findlay | way better than flash or activex |
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| 06:03.14 | findlay | ~random |
| 06:05.38 | Tene | I need to decide if I want a big laptop or a smaller one. |
| 06:06.22 | sontek | small! |
| 06:06.31 | sontek | Don't let the ladies fool you! smaller == better |
| 06:06.45 | findlay | eee! |
| 06:06.59 | findlay | you've got a smallish device already |
| 06:07.49 | Tene | full-size keyboard and big screen are nice. |
| 06:07.53 | Tene | Small is convenient. |
| 06:08.00 | Tene | I already have an eeepc... |
| 06:08.18 | sontek | I wouldn't go over 15", anything bigger doesn't fit on the airplane food tray |
| 06:08.18 | Supaplex | boys and their devices |
| 06:08.22 | Supaplex | er laptops |
| 06:10.57 | Tene | I could get an X300, if I was able to convince myself that the low height/weight were worth it. |
| 06:14.55 | Tene | Huh, lenovo ships laptops with linux now. |
| 06:15.32 | sontek | yeah, you can get a lenovo with openSUSE on it :D |
| 06:21.01 | Tene | Hm, more HD space or more ram? |
| 06:21.19 | Tene | I'm unsure how I'd use more than 2G of ram. |
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| 06:36.46 | Tene | So, can a "DVD Recordable 8x Max Dual Layer" also burn CDs? |
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| 07:08.12 | Tene | Looks like. |
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| 12:55.57 | keldwud | cantaloupe? |
| 12:55.58 | keldwud | cactus |
| 12:56.11 | keldwud | ~cactus |
| 13:03.57 | encryptz | Tene: so, did you decide on a laptop then? |
| 13:27.07 | Tene | Looks likeT61 or T61p |
| 13:33.51 | encryptz | i wanted the t61p, but lenovo had pulled it from the site the week i ordered mine. i'm glad i ended up with the t61 instead. the intel video driver has kept me from headaches that dax, bryan, stuart, etc all have faced |
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| 14:12.24 | goozbach | encryptz: you confuse me when you change nicks |
| 14:12.59 | goozbach | they've had problems with the t61p nvidia driver? |
| 14:13.21 | goozbach | that's odd, I've not had a single problem |
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| 14:22.38 | elg | http://mynews.byu.edu/sample.php |
| 14:22.50 | elg | pixar praises byu computer animation team, disses webmasters |
| 14:22.57 | elg | at least, that's what it should say. who picked that terrible font?! |
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| 15:13.37 | herlo | http://upcoming.yahoo.com/event/468406 |
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| 15:14.40 | levi | Good morning. |
| 15:15.58 | redbeard2 | heya |
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| 15:20.22 | tensai | just caught the news that ORDB is alive again |
| 15:22.37 | fozzmoo | http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=1641&tag=nl.e539 |
| 15:23.25 | tensai | fozzmoo: I would agree. I was a long time die hard debian user and I've switched to unbuntu for desktop |
| 15:24.41 | fozzmoo | I find it interesting because the Ubuntu==Linux==Ubuntu phenomenon used to be Red Hat == Linux == Red Hat |
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| 15:38.03 | encryptz | goozbach: mainly just suspend |
| 15:38.37 | Supaplex | hey sjansen :) thought you might like that onjoin :p |
| 15:38.45 | Supaplex | ~onjoin -sjansen |
| 15:38.45 | ibot | ok, Supaplex |
| 15:40.50 | levi | Do members of protestant faiths typically self-identify as protestant, or as their specific faith? |
| 15:44.07 | sjansen | Depends on the faith and how broad you're willing to extend the definition of protestant. |
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| 15:45.28 | eggyknap | also depends on the person, methinks. |
| 15:49.04 | sjansen | If you switch to the term Evangelical you'll probably find more blurring of lines. |
| 15:57.26 | unum | levi: adherents.org might help you answer that question |
| 15:58.09 | mrpull | anybody use safari on windows? I wish it would stop offering to install itself. |
| 15:58.25 | tensai | unum: not unless you're looking for a parked search page |
| 15:58.50 | tensai | "This page is parked free, courtesy of GoDaddy.com." |
| 15:59.21 | unum | maybe it's .com |
| 15:59.35 | tensai | that looks more likely |
| 15:59.37 | unum | yep .com |
| 16:00.05 | unum | the LDS church seems to be the only church that keeps track of who shows up each sunday |
| 16:00.22 | unum | atleast out of the major ones |
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| 16:02.35 | sjansen | Oh, wow, I never wondered what religion Hiro Nakamura from Heroes was, but now I know. http://adherents.com/lit/comics/Hiro_Nakamura.html |
| 16:05.21 | tensai | you should all read Stephen Prothero's book, Religious Literacy |
| 16:24.26 | herlo | rsimpkins: ping |
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| 17:11.33 | findlay | yay |
| 17:11.36 | elg | findlay: how many times are you going to revise that post? |
| 17:11.48 | findlay | which? |
| 17:11.56 | elg | planteary wallpaper |
| 17:12.14 | findlay | I haven't even revised it once |
| 17:12.30 | findlay | if openclue is picking it up multiple times, then it's broken |
| 17:13.14 | elg | not to mention it's exercising editorial rights then. |
| 17:14.05 | findlay | I don't know how the half entry got into the syndication |
| 17:14.20 | elg | hans.fugal.net/tmp/findlay.png |
| 17:15.21 | findlay | ooh, that's cool |
| 17:16.22 | findlay | now that you mention it I did edit some grammatical errors as you see |
| 17:16.25 | rsimpkins | ~pong herlo |
| 17:16.25 | ibot | herlo: PONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 17:16.34 | findlay | I thought you were talking about whole duplicates |
| 17:19.17 | findlay | http://cnnentertainment.co.nr/2008/SHOWBIZ/Music/04/01 |
| 17:19.18 | herlo | rsimpkins: hi |
| 17:20.47 | findlay | elg: do you have anymore edits to suggest? |
| 17:27.58 | elg | no, I think we've got the picture. ;-) |
| 17:28.32 | elg | apache service temporarily unavailable on that link |
| 17:28.40 | elg | though I see the title |
| 18:05.42 | findlay | http://jfindlay.us/movie.udf |
| 18:05.52 | findlay | what happens when you try to download that movie? |
| 18:06.01 | findlay | s/movie/url/ |
| 18:06.12 | findlay | one guy told me he got a 404 |
| 18:06.40 | eggyknap | No 404 here -- what happens is my headphones start whining because they're not well shielded from my hard drive |
| 18:06.47 | findlay | heh |
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| 18:37.16 | elg | mutable objects are the new spaghetti code |
| 18:37.52 | tensai | mutes elg |
| 18:38.58 | tensai | findlay: downloads just fine for me |
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| 18:41.18 | findlay | tensai: did you watch it? |
| 18:42.02 | tensai | findlay: no. I only downloaded 2M and the aborted. the title said "FHE" and that didn't sound particularly interesting. |
| 18:42.15 | tensai | s/the aborted/then aborted/ |
| 18:42.25 | findlay | heh |
| 18:42.53 | tensai | besides, I'm not entirely sure what I would do with a UDF file system. mount it? |
| 18:43.21 | findlay | I was surprised to find that mplayer will 'play' a udf image |
| 18:43.23 | levi | findlay: You should like this: http://www.poromenos.org/node/89 |
| 18:43.56 | levi | elg: I see you finally read the clojure link. :) |
| 18:44.13 | elg | listening to the presentation |
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| 18:55.08 | levi | Huh. We had a PC with a PowerVR card at one point. I had no idea that they were still thriving in the embedded space. |
| 18:55.38 | findlay | tensai: it's actually quite funny |
| 18:56.38 | levi | The iPhone uses PowerVR, even. |
| 18:58.22 | unum | the new pa game will run on linux. that's surpising to me |
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| 18:58.41 | sjansen | ~monkey patch elg |
| 18:58.42 | ibot | ACTION flings poo at patch elg |
| 18:59.03 | sjansen | Wow. Proof that ibot is sentient. |
| 19:08.45 | tensai | asterisk saves the day again! call from "MIAMI, FL" went straight to voicemail. |
| 19:09.34 | beandog | you dont like Miami? |
| 19:10.12 | tensai | nothing personal, but I don't know anybody in miami |
| 19:10.34 | tensai | so presumably it's somebody trying to sell me something |
| 19:12.03 | tensai | "it is urgent that you contact us regarding your eligibility for lowering your interest rate" |
| 19:12.43 | mrpull | lower interest rate sounds good to me! |
| 19:13.23 | tensai | I really doubt they can beat the interest rates I've got |
| 19:13.24 | beandog | you better call them back, they said it was urgent. |
| 19:13.58 | tensai | those ones are funny because they start off saying I need to call them about my account. as if I even have an account with them. |
| 19:15.57 | beandog | feels bad for the poor people sucked in by stuff like that. |
| 19:15.59 | mrpull | how do you know it wasn't one of your lenders? |
| 19:18.47 | tensai | well, I'm pretty sure. of the 3 loans I have (car, student, home), none of them fit the profile |
| 19:19.29 | unum | plus they would always introduce themselves first thing |
| 19:19.54 | unum | "hello, this is so and so from America First Credit Union" |
| 19:20.07 | mrpull | plus... they don't want to OFFER to save you money when they already have you on the hook :) |
| 19:20.10 | tensai | and I doubt they would play me a recording |
| 19:20.22 | tensai | mrpull: heh. good point. |
| 19:20.26 | mrpull | it is kinda fun to call lenders and ask to have them drop interest rates |
| 19:20.40 | mrpull | (credit cards in general) |
| 19:21.08 | unum | my brother would transfer his credit card debt to a new card, and get calls from the old company offering to drop his rates |
| 19:21.10 | mrpull | I've asked and had them give my 18 months interest free and drop the rate a few points afterwards... just for asking |
| 19:21.20 | tensai | although nelnet, who has my student loan, has tried to get my rate lowered a few times. they always send me a nice letter. |
| 19:21.27 | mrpull | I just skip the hassle of moving and ask nicely |
| 19:21.41 | mrpull | nelnet is a good lender |
| 19:21.57 | tensai | I've got no complaints |
| 19:21.58 | mrpull | but I'm quite happy I (and my wife) are no longer their customer (yay!) |
| 19:24.34 | tensai | well I filed a complaint with the ftc just for the heck of it, since I'm on the do not call list |
| 19:24.44 | mrpull | good work |
| 19:24.56 | tensai | it was actually really easy. I think I'll do that more often. |
| 19:33.38 | brasto | eg: maybe something like ~have $1 is <action> Thanks for $1, $dudewhosaid~have... |
| 19:34.16 | brasto | perhaps the great TimRiker knows |
| 19:35.00 | elg | levi: know of any video of his ant colony? |
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| 19:36.00 | unum | people often try to report us to the ftc because they are on the do not call list |
| 19:37.27 | unum | read the stupid form be for you fill it out!!!! |
| 19:37.27 | elg | tensai: automate it |
| 19:37.41 | nick125_eee | yawns |
| 19:37.59 | unum | steals nick125_eee's eeepc while he's yawning |
| 19:38.24 | nick125_eee | unum: I can yawn and type at the same time.. |
| 19:39.07 | findlay | I can |
| 19:41.01 | nick125_eee | install openwrt on this nice shiny wrt54gl |
| 19:41.20 | findlay | kamikaze? |
| 19:41.24 | nick125_eee | yep |
| 19:41.29 | findlay | nice |
| 19:41.35 | nick125_eee | I'm gonna put x-wrt on there as well |
| 19:41.43 | elg | sounds like a neat language. too bad I couldn't follow along with the demo |
| 19:43.31 | findlay | picks up four paychecks today |
| 19:43.44 | findlay | because I keep forgetting to get them |
| 19:45.43 | tensai | findlay: do you not eat? |
| 19:46.08 | elg | food is relatively cheap |
| 19:46.10 | elg | it's that roof |
| 19:46.42 | findlay | the combined total for all four checks is about enough to pay my rent this month :( |
| 19:48.55 | nick125_eee | whee, x-wrt is almost done installing |
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| 19:51.25 | eggyknap | ibot should be taught accent marks. |
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| 19:52.05 | tensai | findlay: do you get paid semi-weekly or what? |
| 19:52.45 | findlay | tensai: every two weeks |
| 19:52.53 | findlay | but I haven't been working very much lately |
| 19:53.06 | findlay | that school takes up lots of time |
| 19:53.23 | tensai | how often does the school pay you? |
| 19:53.32 | findlay | once a semester |
| 19:53.35 | tensai | ~lart spreadsheet databases |
| 19:53.35 | ibot | eats spreadsheet databases and falls over dead |
| 20:02.35 | nick125_eee | yay, the openwrt boxen is up |
| 20:02.38 | nick125_eee | and running |
| 20:05.11 | nick125_eee | named his router cadmium... |
| 20:07.39 | tensai | nick125_eee: did you install openldap on it yet? |
| 20:07.56 | elg | ~onjoin redbeard2 Crème Brûlée! |
| 20:07.56 | ibot | elg: ok |
| 20:10.05 | nick125_eee | tensai: hahah |
| 20:27.44 | levi | elg: Nope, haven't seen video of it. But he does supply the source code, doesn't he? |
| 20:27.59 | elg | yeah, but without taking the time to read the code it's not apparent how to use it |
| 20:28.11 | levi | Ahh. |
| 20:28.23 | elg | i just get a white box with a little blue box and a repl |
| 20:28.27 | levi | Sorry, I don't have any more time to figure it out than you do. :) |
| 20:28.32 | elg | oh well :) |
| 20:28.48 | levi | I need to be writing an ethernet driver. |
| 20:41.05 | sjansen | ~lart levi for attempting to work when he should be chatting in IRC |
| 20:41.05 | ibot | stamps levi on the forehead with the official Troll marker for attempting to work when he should be chatting in IRC |
| 20:46.05 | unum | blah, my sql is not working like I think it should |
| 20:48.21 | unum | fixed it |
| 20:56.36 | elg | there are days when I just want to stab people with hyphenated surnames in the eye |
| 20:56.52 | encryptz | heh |
| 20:58.10 | beandog | what about the other days |
| 20:58.27 | encryptz | xkcd.com/327 seems appropriate |
| 20:58.32 | unum | he wants to stab people named beendog in the eye |
| 20:58.38 | beandog | fair enough |
| 20:59.04 | unum | I was taking jsmith's class the day he posted that one |
| 20:59.33 | elg | the other days I think people who want to stab people with hyphenated surnames in the eye are silly |
| 21:00.29 | elg | loads up the mp3 player with some depeche mode and goes for a walk |
| 21:03.14 | tensai | elg: what, no story? no explanation? lame lame lame. |
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| 21:10.04 | sjansen | renames elg to "Hans Lame-Lame-Lame-Fugal" |
| 21:14.06 | levi | sjansen: Do you want to write this network driver for me? |
| 21:18.56 | encryptz | elg stole my quit message. |
| 21:20.15 | sjansen | levi: YES! |
| 21:21.01 | sjansen | Driver developers are cool, especially when they work in embedded environments. |
| 21:21.08 | sjansen | I want to be cool too. |
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| 22:15.19 | keldwud | crap, why is firefox always fail for me? |
| 22:15.27 | keldwud | I can't leave it unattended for longer than an hour |
| 22:15.31 | keldwud | locks up |
| 22:15.34 | keldwud | lame. |
| 22:15.46 | keldwud | hey what is the command to look up a pid? |
| 22:15.59 | keldwud | I'm gonna kill that sucker |
| 22:16.23 | Tene | pidof |
| 22:16.26 | Tene | pgrep |
| 22:16.27 | Tene | pkill |
| 22:16.29 | levi | sjansen: Well, it turns out I don't need to write this the right way, I just have the copy the crappy way the Linux driver I'm porting is written. |
| 22:16.30 | Tene | killall |
| 22:16.43 | levi | keldwud: Tried the new Firefox 3 beta? |
| 22:16.47 | keldwud | hell no |
| 22:16.54 | keldwud | I dont plan on it either. |
| 22:16.56 | keldwud | laughs |
| 22:16.58 | levi | Why? |
| 22:17.03 | levi | It's got less fail than FF2. |
| 22:17.04 | keldwud | = anti-firefox |
| 22:17.05 | mrpull | I've been using the portable firefox three till the latest beta |
| 22:17.11 | keldwud | I'm cool with firefox 1.0 though |
| 22:17.18 | mrpull | I just took the leap to FF3 as the primary now |
| 22:17.47 | keldwud | I dunno, firefox always bugs me almost as much as IE |
| 22:18.24 | keldwud | pidof !working |
| 22:18.42 | keldwud | and on this system ff always locks up completely and utterly |
| 22:18.46 | mrpull | FF2's stability/performance is kind of underwhelming considering how popular it is |
| 22:18.51 | keldwud | if I leave it for a couple hours |
| 22:19.09 | keldwud | I think it's just the whole "i'm not mainstream" attitude |
| 22:19.44 | keldwud | darn, I used to have a graphical process list but I removed it from my toolbar |
| 22:19.54 | keldwud | should have kept it. |
| 22:20.09 | keldwud | know what's funny though? the only process I've ever had to kill was firefox |
| 22:20.22 | mrpull | FF3 does feel a little faster on heavy javascript sites (gmail/greader) |
| 22:20.23 | keldwud | it works fine for me in windows generally |
| 22:20.36 | levi | Well, I'm not crazy about it or anything, but Firefox is and has been for some time both cross-platform and free. |
| 22:20.39 | elg | ff3 fell on its face out the box on osx when I tried it last |
| 22:20.48 | keldwud | levi: so has opera |
| 22:20.50 | mrpull | it still is taking 50% more memory than Outlook 2007... |
| 22:21.00 | levi | keldwud: No, opera hasn't been free until recently. |
| 22:21.06 | keldwud | laughs @ browser wars |
| 22:21.09 | levi | Unless you wanted to look at ads, which I didn't. |
| 22:21.12 | mrpull | FF is still my default |
| 22:21.25 | mrpull | but it isn't perfect. |
| 22:21.32 | keldwud | so I still can't remember how to kill this thing |
| 22:21.38 | mrpull | I tried konq for the first time in forever last week |
| 22:21.45 | keldwud | it even locks up my mouse when it is the active window |
| 22:21.47 | mrpull | it just felt wrong |
| 22:21.49 | levi | elg: I first tried ff3 when beta 4 came out. I'm using Beta 5 now. They've both worked great. |
| 22:21.55 | keldwud | can only alt tab my way out |
| 22:22.00 | elg | maybe I'll try it again |
| 22:22.17 | levi | Everything in KDE feels wrong to me, because I almost never use KDE. |
| 22:22.22 | keldwud | isn't there a way to get a list of all your processes with their pid numbers? |
| 22:22.51 | mrpull | keldwud: something like ps? |
| 22:22.54 | keldwud | oh yeah thanks |
| 22:22.55 | keldwud | heh |
| 22:23.03 | elg | pstree -p |
| 22:23.19 | elg | ~hug pstree |
| 22:23.19 | ibot | ACTION jumps into pstree's lap and huggles and *hugs* pstree |
| 22:23.30 | keldwud | hehe I had to pipe that through less |
| 22:23.48 | keldwud | ps only gave me what was running in my console session |
| 22:24.00 | sjansen | ps -e |
| 22:24.04 | levi | With options, ps can tell you all processes. |
| 22:24.12 | keldwud | I will have to man it then |
| 22:24.16 | sjansen | pgrep |
| 22:24.17 | levi | My default is ps -aux |
| 22:24.30 | sjansen | pgrep firefox |
| 22:24.44 | sjansen | killall firefox-bin |
| 22:24.47 | sjansen | pkill firefo |
| 22:24.51 | keldwud | it's taking up two pid's |
| 22:25.12 | sjansen | kill -9 1 |
| 22:25.37 | keldwud | haha no on that last one |
| 22:26.05 | levi | Two pids generally means two threads. |
| 22:26.27 | keldwud | why the hell did it need two? |
| 22:26.28 | levi | pthreads in Linux are implemented as separate processes that share the same heap. |
| 22:26.45 | levi | There are any number of good reasons to have multiple threads. |
| 22:26.59 | keldwud | yay my o/s works again :) |
| 22:27.31 | keldwud | I think I got rid of my processes tool so that I would force myself to learn the command line equivalents |
| 22:31.55 | keldwud | oh and thanks for the help guys |
| 22:32.01 | keldwud | sorry I keep talking smack on ff |
| 22:33.19 | elg | haha, they finally wised up on the .dmg |
| 22:33.35 | levi | elg: Who did? |
| 22:33.39 | elg | ff |
| 22:33.52 | levi | What was wrong with the .dmg? |
| 22:34.04 | unum | has been you using firefox since it was phoenix .30 or something like that |
| 22:34.07 | elg | if it ever loads up I'll send you a link |
| 22:34.12 | unum | it was so small and fast back then |
| 22:34.12 | elg | it's pegged a CPU |
| 22:34.25 | unum | the great thing is it really did rise out of the ashes |
| 22:34.30 | elg | yikes it's ugly |
| 22:34.35 | elg | like a knockoff mp3 player |
| 22:34.47 | levi | I use camino on OSX. |
| 22:34.57 | levi | 'elg You can change a preference somewhere to get small buttons. |
| 22:35.05 | mrpull | unum: wasn't it originally called firebird? |
| 22:35.13 | mrpull | before pheonix? |
| 22:35.29 | unum | nope, phoenix was first |
| 22:35.33 | unum | then firebird |
| 22:35.47 | elg | levi: http://hans.fugal.net/blog/articles/2005/12/01/firefox_affords |
| 22:36.55 | tensai | dialup over voip really sucks |
| 22:37.03 | elg | hehe |
| 22:37.18 | elg | any closet woodworkers here? |
| 22:39.57 | levi | I wish I had the time and inclination to be able to build my own cabinets and shelves and such. |
| 22:40.28 | levi | elg: Ahh, yeah, I remember that now. |
| 22:40.54 | elg | i'm just trying to make sense of the myriad finishes |
| 22:41.23 | elg | i want a finish that is smooth and durable and dog-easy to apply, and I don't care what it looks like. Oh, and cheap is good too |
| 22:42.03 | levi | Paint? :) |
| 22:42.47 | rsimpkins | elg: Do you want to stain it, then do like an epoxy finish on it? |
| 22:43.18 | levi | Epoxy sounds like it would be pretty tough. |
| 22:43.20 | elg | i want to sand it, put gunk on it, let it dry, and if necessary sand or buff some more |
| 22:43.30 | elg | it being a 2x4 |
| 22:43.53 | levi | BTW, here's a method of making a packrat parser support left-recursion: http://vpri.org/pdf/packrat_TR-2007-002.pdf |
| 22:44.21 | rsimpkins | http://www.woodweb.com/knowledge_base/Cost_of_ClearCoat_Versus_Paint_Finishes.html |
| 22:44.36 | levi | I hate recursive descent parsing due to the fact that it doesn't support left-recursive grammars, forcing you to obfuscate them. |
| 22:45.44 | elg | this is for organ pedals, btw. ideally it would look like organ pedals, but like I said I don't much care what it looks like - cheap and easy being much more important to me |
| 22:46.03 | elg | but it has to *feel* like organ pedals. so smooth and of course durable |
| 22:46.52 | rsimpkins | elg: So it sounds like you need a really good varnish on it. |
| 22:46.54 | levi | Polyurethane is what they put on hardwood floors, and it's supposedly easy to apply. |
| 22:47.02 | elg | could be |
| 22:47.17 | rsimpkins | elg: Remember, like paint, water based finishes can take up to a month to cure to their final hardness. So be a bit gentle with you project for a while. |
| 22:47.34 | rsimpkins | elg: According to this site, any way: http://www.gardenandhearth.com/PaintandWallpaper/Stain-Varnish.htm |
| 22:47.39 | elg | you mean, like be a slacker and don't practice too much? I'm good at that ;-) |
| 22:48.10 | levi | Time for class. |
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| 23:51.05 | nick125 | w00t |
| 23:51.09 | nick125 | the RAM for my eee came in |
| 23:51.35 | keldwud | yay |
| 23:51.41 | keldwud | I have a gig in mine |
| 23:51.53 | keldwud | I ordered it at the same time from newegg as I ordered my 4G |
| 23:52.41 | nick125 | The "warranty void" sticker took the longest to remove |
| 23:52.47 | findlay | nick125: how much? |
| 23:52.50 | nick125 | 2GB |
| 23:52.57 | findlay | no, $ |
| 23:53.01 | nick125 | $25 |
| 23:53.13 | findlay | 2GiB for $25? |
| 23:53.18 | findlay | that's good |
| 23:53.22 | nick125 | (<font size="-2">after $15 mail in rebate</font>) |
| 23:53.30 | findlay | still |
| 23:54.58 | nick125 | ugh |
| 23:55.09 | nick125 | I need to recompile my kernel, as my kernel is limited to 1GB |
| 23:55.15 | findlay | haha |
| 23:55.25 | findlay | kernel shy, nick125? |
| 23:55.39 | nick125 | findlay: no, lazy |
| 23:56.16 | findlay | can configure a kernel while working out a ODE, browsing /., and listening to Schubert's symphonies |
| 23:58.59 | keldwud | yeah the eee pc fails with the 2GB limit |
| 23:59.09 | keldwud | at least it is only a software limit |
| 23:59.25 | keldwud | hey I noticed that there is a utah twitter? |
| 23:59.38 | nick125 | keldwud: I don't think so |
| 23:59.56 | keldwud | http://www.google.com/search?client=opera&rls=en&q=twitter+utah&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8 |