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| 00:20.58 | levi | Gah, the problem that kept me up until 3 last night was a stupid misuse of a macro that wasn't doing what I thought it was. |
| 00:21.10 | keldwud | heya levi |
| 00:21.34 | keldwud | I didn't get to stay up as late as you I don't think. I wanted to but I passed out at my keyboard. |
| 00:21.44 | keldwud | I guess I *did* have enough to get a buzz |
| 00:22.12 | keldwud | I ended up trying to scrape the foil off of a wine bottle and cut myself before I realized that it wasn't foil and it was just a screw cap. |
| 00:23.44 | levi | keldwud: Heh. |
| 00:23.52 | levi | That's what you get for losing your cork. |
| 00:23.57 | keldwud | yeah I felt like such an idiot |
| 00:24.05 | keldwud | well I had 3 other unopened bottles of wine |
| 00:24.14 | keldwud | I just didn't have a corkscrew |
| 00:24.20 | keldwud | but apparantly I didn't need one |
| 00:24.31 | keldwud | the sherry was nasty to drink by itself |
| 00:24.42 | levi | So how many unopened bottles of wine do you have now? |
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| 00:24.58 | keldwud | 2 |
| 00:25.06 | levi | . o O ( 99 bottles of unopened wine, 99 bottles of wine... ) |
| 00:25.15 | keldwud | and the twist cap bottle, I only managed two sips of that before I passed out |
| 00:25.23 | keldwud | so I still have three full bottles really |
| 00:25.25 | keldwud | minus a glass |
| 00:25.30 | keldwud | that is sitting on my counter |
| 00:25.36 | levi | Heh. |
| 00:25.37 | keldwud | which is full. minus a sip or two |
| 00:25.38 | keldwud | ;) |
| 00:25.42 | levi | Did you finish the sherry? |
| 00:25.48 | keldwud | yeah I finished the sherry |
| 00:25.53 | keldwud | it's pretty potent I believe |
| 00:26.01 | levi | Well, yeah. |
| 00:26.09 | keldwud | I didn't realize it was more potent than wine |
| 00:26.22 | keldwud | I mean *other* wines |
| 00:27.06 | levi | Well, it is fortified. |
| 00:30.29 | levi | Apparently some are fortified to 15% alcohol, and some are fortified to 17.5% alcohol. |
| 00:31.16 | keldwud | oh damn |
| 00:31.22 | keldwud | no wonder I passed out so early |
| 00:31.27 | keldwud | I wish I would have known |
| 00:31.29 | keldwud | ! |
| 00:31.49 | keldwud | a whole night was wasted being passed out instead of playing video games |
| 00:32.42 | levi | Fortified with brandy, apparently. |
| 00:33.05 | keldwud | oh is *that* why I can use either sherry or brandy in those recipes? |
| 00:33.11 | keldwud | makes more sense now |
| 00:33.51 | levi | brandy is like 40-45% alcohol, or more. |
| 00:34.07 | keldwud | the good brandy for desserts is the stuff that is over 50% |
| 00:34.13 | keldwud | then you can flambe |
| 00:34.17 | keldwud | flame on! |
| 00:34.21 | levi | Fun. :) |
| 00:34.29 | keldwud | but it gets expensive :) |
| 00:34.54 | levi | I had some bananas foster on a cruise, but they couldn't do the flambe tableside, unfortunately. |
| 00:35.30 | keldwud | yeah too many lawsuits these days |
| 00:35.51 | keldwud | wonder what it would be like to live in a world where people couldn't blame others for their problems |
| 00:35.59 | keldwud | or their choices |
| 00:36.00 | levi | Well, I think it was more because we were on a cruise ship in the middle of the ocean. |
| 00:36.16 | levi | You can't just leave the building if it's on fire. |
| 00:36.41 | levi | Anyway, time to leave class. Woohoo! |
| 00:36.48 | keldwud | but you can put it out with an extenguisher :) |
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| 01:17.42 | vontrapp | figured it out, in case anyone was in suspense over my lvm issues |
| 01:17.55 | keldwud | congrats :) |
| 01:18.10 | keldwud | later #utah, time for work. |
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| 01:25.36 | sargun_screen | eya |
| 01:25.53 | sargun_screen | eya |
| 01:26.13 | sargun_screen | Any one have an idea why |
| 01:26.13 | sargun_screen | Any one have an idea why struct {int line;} sym; |
| 01:26.30 | sargun_screen | is producing the error: Tree.c:4: error: expected '=', ',', ';', 'asm' or '__attribute__' before 'int' |
| 01:26.31 | vontrapp | because you wrote it? |
| 01:26.41 | sargun_screen | -_- |
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| 01:26.58 | vontrapp | i sent that about 10 msec too late :/ |
| 01:39.34 | vontrapp | sargun_screen: i think you need struct sym {int line;}; ? |
| 01:39.42 | vontrapp | hasn't done c in long time |
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| 02:30.57 | encryptz | unum: when using mirrors.kernel.org for you repo sources, do you find grabbing the .pdiff files painfully slow? |
| 02:32.12 | Sargun | What's wrong with: struct { int line;} sym; |
| 02:32.32 | encryptz | it's not python? |
| 02:32.48 | levi | Sargun: The struct name goes before the definition. |
| 02:33.13 | levi | The only time a name comes afterward is if you're typedefing it. |
| 02:35.41 | Sargun | struct sym { int line; }; |
| 02:35.47 | Sargun | Tree.c:4: error: expected '=', ',', ';', 'asm' or '__attribute__' before 'int' |
| 02:35.54 | Sargun | levi, still makes that error |
| 02:36.42 | levi | Sargun: What's on the line before it? |
| 02:41.10 | Sargun | Apparently including a blank header file |
| 02:41.11 | Sargun | broke it |
| 02:41.41 | levi | Run cpp on it with the header file intact and see what the output is. |
| 02:41.57 | levi | That might explain why it broke. |
| 02:43.46 | Sargun | Oh, meh. It was including a header file from another one of my projects. Crappy IDE. |
| 02:44.58 | Sargun | levi, Thanks :-). |
| 02:46.16 | levi | No problem. |
| 02:46.34 | levi | C is evil. C is even more evil when combined with IDEs that silently do things behind your back. |
| 02:51.50 | levi | This was the best April Fools post I saw: http://avdi.org/devblog/2008/04/01/announcing-ninja-patching/ |
| 02:52.08 | levi | Although it should have mentioned REAL ULTIMATE POWER. |
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| 02:54.33 | levi | elg: So, are you planning on adding ninja-patching to your Ruby repertoire? |
| 02:55.54 | elg | not familiar with it |
| 02:56.28 | levi | This was the best April Fools post I saw: http://avdi.org/devblog/2008/04/01/announcing-ninja-patching/ |
| 02:56.41 | levi | (I said that previously right before you logged in) |
| 03:01.40 | vontrapp | why are so many people clueless? |
| 03:01.43 | vontrapp | ~cluebat ebay |
| 03:01.44 | ibot | ACTION pulls out a ClueBat (tm) and thwaps ebay. |
| 03:02.06 | vontrapp | IM alerts... i say to myself "way cool" |
| 03:02.17 | vontrapp | then they only have aim, skype, yahoo and "windows live" |
| 03:02.38 | vontrapp | well, aim i guess is good enough... "enter your aim username and password" |
| 03:02.40 | vontrapp | wft?! |
| 03:03.24 | vontrapp | and then they don't even have email alerts |
| 03:03.38 | vontrapp | well, they do, but you can't customize it in anyway |
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| 03:10.05 | elg | haha. NPL |
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| 03:27.08 | vontrapp | Norfolk Public Library? |
| 03:31.23 | levi | elg: I upgraded VLC on my iBook and it still makes my mp3s sound like crap. |
| 03:46.06 | vontrapp | ugh, how could anyone like diet soda? my wife's work mixed up the canisters, and so she brought home diet |
| 03:46.14 | vontrapp | i took one sip and almost barfed |
| 03:46.28 | vontrapp | the aftertaste is like after the dentist :/ blech |
| 03:46.30 | levi | vontrapp: Crazy as it sounds, one can get used to it. |
| 03:46.47 | levi | I can't imagine I'll ever prefer it, though. |
| 03:47.06 | Tene | vontrapp: diabetes, apparently. |
| 03:47.07 | vontrapp | why would anyone want to acclimate themselves to cancer sugar is beyond me |
| 03:47.53 | levi | I don't believe it's terribly worse than the ills caused by HFCS. |
| 03:48.10 | vontrapp | ~google HFCS |
| 03:48.21 | levi | High Fructose Corn Syrup. |
| 03:48.29 | vontrapp | grr, where's brac when you need em? |
| 03:49.06 | Tene | HFCS and artificial sweeteners are why I won't drink most soda. |
| 03:49.08 | vontrapp | yeah, probably not... but cancer <=> obesety... who knows |
| 03:49.16 | Sargun | errrgle, wrong window! |
| 03:49.18 | Sargun | Sorry guys |
| 03:49.20 | Tene | I've found a few decent sodas without either. |
| 03:49.33 | vontrapp | blue sky! |
| 03:49.34 | levi | Tene: Sugar-sweetened ones? |
| 03:49.47 | levi | vontrapp: Is that the stevia stuff? |
| 03:49.56 | vontrapp | don't know what stevia is |
| 03:50.07 | levi | It's some sweet-tasting plant. |
| 03:50.08 | Tene | The one I've been liking the most lately is izze. |
| 03:50.23 | levi | For some very mild version of 'sweet'. |
| 03:51.04 | levi | Well, juice is full of sugar, too. |
| 03:51.12 | vontrapp | i've seen bluesky in good earth recently, the label says "natural soda" |
| 03:51.24 | levi | vontrapp: Have you had any to drink? |
| 03:51.32 | vontrapp | but i remember it from new mexico, and don't recall it being marketed that way |
| 03:51.45 | vontrapp | but i could just not remember that detail :) |
| 03:51.58 | vontrapp | just when i lived in nm |
| 03:52.05 | vontrapp | long time ago |
| 03:52.20 | Tene | izze doesn't even have refined sugar, iirc |
| 03:52.26 | levi | Maybe some others are different, but the Blue Sky LITE ones are bordering on undrinkable. |
| 03:52.33 | Tene | fruit juice + carbonated water, oslt. |
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| 03:53.34 | levi | Tene: Right, but it's still full of sugars. |
| 03:53.55 | Tene | Yeah. |
| 03:54.14 | Sargun | I wish C had a way to handle just a bit. |
| 03:54.37 | Tene | Sargun: obviously you need to use erlang. |
| 03:54.40 | levi | I guess the Blue Sky LITE ginger ale I had was sweetened with Lo Han fruit extract. |
| 03:54.52 | levi | Sargun: In what way do you want to handle just a bit? |
| 03:55.34 | levi | Lo Han fruit extract, whatever it is, is not sufficiently sweet to sweeten soda. |
| 03:56.23 | Sargun | levi, I think if I used 12 bit pointers (4096 next-hops) I could fit the entire FIB within a couple gigs of ram |
| 03:56.31 | levi | Looking at their web site, I imagine I'd like the non-LITE Blue Sky sodas. |
| 03:56.51 | Sargun | the fact that data has to be 8-bit (too small) and 16-bit (too big) |
| 03:56.55 | Tene | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bit_field |
| 03:56.56 | Sargun | is a problem |
| 03:57.25 | levi | Sargun: Well, if you do things that are not machine-native sizes, you trade off efficiency for space. |
| 03:57.46 | Sargun | of course just mapping the entire FIB to a piece of RAM is stupidly expensive and inefficent |
| 03:57.53 | levi | Sargun: C doesn't deal with weirdly-sized things because CPUs don't. |
| 03:58.00 | Sargun | Hm.. |
| 03:58.13 | Sargun | You bring up a good point, and neither does memory. |
| 03:58.22 | levi | Right. |
| 03:59.16 | levi | I'd suggest chunking a bunch of them together such that the chunk is a fixed multiple of the machine word size. |
| 03:59.25 | Sargun | Yeah |
| 03:59.35 | Sargun | That's a good idea. |
| 04:00.40 | levi | x86 will actually let you perform word-length operations on non-word-aligned memory locations, but you pay a penalty for it. |
| 04:00.53 | levi | Some CPUs will just yell at you if you try to do that. |
| 04:02.08 | Sargun | Hm. What do you think is better: Implementing this using 16G of RAM (DDR3 :-/) and not being expandable beyond IPv4 |
| 04:02.09 | Tene | Will any cpus bake you a chocolate cake? |
| 04:02.51 | Sargun | Any dealing with the issue of mapping 4-byte pointers to more than 4-gigs of memory (I can multiply it out because I know the pointers are going to be more than sizeof(nexthop) far apart) |
| 04:02.58 | Sargun | er, And |
| 04:03.02 | levi | Tene: No, but some might fry an egg for you if properly attached to an appropriate cooking vessel. |
| 04:03.49 | Sargun | Or using a Trie-ish sort of method |
| 04:04.07 | Sargun | and somehow dealing with the fact that a lot of prefixes in the tree will be 1-bit |
| 04:04.24 | Sargun | wasting about 7-bits for every branch |
| 04:04.42 | Sargun | AB--\ |
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| 04:04.45 | levi | I don't know, and it's not something I can spend time thinking about right now. |
| 04:04.59 | Sargun | That sort of trie where AB=first 2 bytes, etc etc.. (for example) |
| 04:05.02 | Sargun | Hm.. |
| 04:06.06 | Sargun | My mind wanders. |
| 04:06.42 | Sargun | Do I really need (2**32)-1/sizeof(nexthop) entries in my FIB, how long will that take to update? |
| 04:08.02 | Sargun | Do people actually pay for this stuff? |
| 04:08.04 | Sargun | :-P |
| 04:08.47 | Sargun | I mean rather than using a TCAM why not just get HUGE amounts of commodity RAM? Lack of parallel lookups? mirror it? Too slow to update I think. |
| 04:09.11 | Sargun | I need some sort of flip-flopping logic built into the processor |
| 04:09.18 | Sargun | Ok, I should shutup |
| 04:10.27 | Sargun | levi, So, better question: Where do you learn about embedded systems design, all of my professors take this excessively into theory and none address the actual practical issues in designing an embedded system |
| 04:17.16 | levi | Sargun: I learned about it mostly on the job and through reading stuff. |
| 04:17.55 | levi | Sargun: What sort of 'excessively into theory' are you talking about, and what 'actual practical issues' are you missing? |
| 04:23.02 | Sargun | As in algorithms in the real world vs. algorithms in theoretical computer science. |
| 04:23.15 | Sargun | levi, Did you start as an embedded systems programmer? |
| 04:26.13 | levi | I started work as a system administrator and then moved into embedded systems programming by getting Linux to run on an embedded PC. |
| 04:26.47 | levi | It was a little harder back then than it is now, but not terribly difficult thanks to uClibc and Busybox, though they were fairly new then. |
| 04:27.32 | levi | A lot of undergrad education is foundational stuff that's really helpful to understand complex real-world problems. |
| 04:28.15 | levi | real-world problems can often be solved in an ad-hoc fashion, but a solid grounding in theory helps you to understand why things work like they do. |
| 04:29.06 | levi | So, although you don't get a lot of immediate real-world applicability, the applications will grow with time as long as you do your diligence in learning the fundamentals. |
| 04:29.26 | Sargun | Hmm... |
| 04:29.32 | Sargun | This makes a lot of sense. |
| 04:29.42 | Sargun | I just don't know where to first inject myself. |
| 04:30.15 | Sargun | I mean, I love all levels of networking from the network administration & design level down to the forwarding plane. |
| 04:30.32 | Sargun | I realize forwarding planes aren't the place to start, but that's my goal |
| 04:31.03 | levi | I think your attempt to redesign the forwarding plane may be a bit beyond your current knowledge and skill level, though it's good that you're thinking about it and trying to figure it out. |
| 04:33.06 | levi | If you'd really like to write a forwarding system, I'd suggest starting with a naive one and not worry about scaling or efficiency issues. Just work on getting it correct and getting proficient with the language you're using. |
| 04:34.06 | Sargun | Well, that's another question of what hardware/software platform to build on. |
| 04:34.22 | levi | Just write a simulator first. |
| 04:35.39 | levi | Also, since you're not constrained in the language to use, you might try using something like Cyclone instead of vanilla C: http://cyclone.thelanguage.org/ |
| 04:36.46 | levi | Though, if you intend to go into embedded systems development, getting familiar with how to write good C code is a useful skill. |
| 04:38.27 | Sargun | Ooh, this is neat. |
| 04:39.31 | Sargun | See, a lot of the issue I'm having is that programming under the Kernel is very uh, difficult |
| 04:39.48 | Sargun | The Linux Kernel doesn't seem like it was made to be easy to modify. |
| 04:40.40 | levi | Well, it was made under a lot of conflicting pressures. |
| 04:41.05 | Sargun | Also, writing code in usermode is much different than kernel mode |
| 04:41.06 | levi | It was made to be easy to work with for experienced C programmers, while also being as efficient as possible. |
| 04:41.49 | levi | Yes, writing code for the kernel is very different. You get an entirely different set of libraries, and you're no longer working on a standalone program, so you have to worry about concurrency issues. |
| 04:43.03 | Sargun | And the kernel has to do 800 other things, which you can't break |
| 04:43.40 | levi | I.e., concurrency issues. :) |
| 04:44.41 | Sargun | levi, So you think programming within an x86 emulator would be the best thing? |
| 04:46.48 | levi | Well, within some sort of emulator. |
| 04:47.19 | levi | Actually, what I meant was that you should just pretend that you're actually routing stuff with a test harness. |
| 04:48.26 | levi | And possibly expand that to a full-blown network simulator, since the chances are that you're not going to be able to actually run any code on a serious network backbone router. |
| 04:48.28 | Sargun | Yeah, well, I've got that down. The hard part is implementing everything without the 90 libraries + the kernel helper. |
| 04:51.05 | Sargun | hehe. I have access to several network testing facilities, and a decent chunk of routers. |
| 04:51.47 | Sargun | The only open platforms I have access to are x86 though, well, and whatever I can get for under 1.2k |
| 04:52.36 | Sargun | and programming on x86 I have to wonder if it best writing this within Linux usermode, the Linux Kernel, or even under some other RTOS's kernel/usermode |
| 04:58.10 | Sargun | levi, what platform did you first start network programming under |
| 04:59.36 | levi | x86 Linux |
| 05:00.03 | levi | I was mostly working at the socket level, though. |
| 05:00.27 | Sargun | Yeah, been there, done that |
| 05:00.36 | Sargun | Raw Sockets <---> TCP |
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| 07:00.50 | Sargun | Alright! |
| 07:02.40 | findlay | hands Sargun some TCP coconut |
| 07:02.55 | Sargun | ~lart findlay |
| 07:02.55 | ibot | drops a humongous exploding nuke on findlay |
| 07:05.21 | findlay | ~kill Sargun |
| 07:05.22 | ibot | ACTION shoots a magneto-ionized anti-photon gun at Sargun |
| 07:07.04 | Sargun | ~zap findlay |
| 07:07.05 | ibot | ACTION takes out a cattle prod and gives findlay a good jolt. |
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| 07:14.36 | ibot | ACTION pulls her blaster and uses Sargun for target practice |
| 07:32.16 | Supaplex | ~eat a pea |
| 07:32.17 | ibot | ACTION slurps up all the a pea available |
| 07:35.48 | Sargun | ~eat Supaplex |
| 07:35.49 | ibot | ACTION eats Supaplex and falls over dead |
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| 14:22.24 | tensai | ~rlart |
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| 14:22.35 | elg | levi: did you figure out why? |
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| 15:19.05 | Sargun | Ugh. Don't you just love those singing, burping, coworkers? |
| 15:22.17 | Tene | Huh. A student took a phone call during class today. Didn't even take it outside, just chatted for a while sitting right at his seat. |
| 15:22.53 | Sargun | What class? |
| 15:26.06 | goozbach | Tene: when that happens, I stop class and say quietly, "Let's listen in shall we?" |
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| 15:26.24 | goozbach | usually that shames them into leaving |
| 15:26.26 | sontek | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0qMe7Z3EYg |
| 15:31.10 | levi | elg: I don't recall what the context is anymore. |
| 15:31.39 | keldwud | the best is if the professor stops class entirely and just shuts up and watches the offender until they are done. |
| 15:31.45 | elg | me either |
| 15:32.00 | keldwud | just dont say a word and then everybody will look where the proffessor is looking |
| 15:32.10 | keldwud | that works the best imo |
| 15:32.34 | goozbach | keldwud: yeah, but then your disgust is only implied |
| 15:32.42 | goozbach | not implicit |
| 15:32.57 | Tene | goozbach: I just ignored him. |
| 15:33.16 | keldwud | it is more difficult for the offender to justify or argue if there is nothing concrete to push against |
| 15:34.51 | keldwud | or to be particularly cruel, the next time the student is asking a question of the teacher the teacher could just casually start talking on his cell phone in the middle of his question :) |
| 15:35.19 | keldwud | ~irc watching porn |
| 15:35.20 | ibot | Oh IRC, why do you distract me so from watching porn? |
| 15:35.37 | keldwud | sad when IRC can do that. heh |
| 15:35.51 | Tene | ~irc murdering all humans |
| 15:35.52 | ibot | Oh IRC, why do you distract me so from murdering all humans? |
| 15:36.15 | keldwud | hehe :) |
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| 15:40.32 | levi | goozbach: 'only implied, not implicit' makes no sense. Maybe you meant 'explicit'? |
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| 15:42.18 | goozbach | whatever |
| 15:42.34 | goozbach | whichever one means "leaving no doubt" |
| 15:43.24 | elg | explicit |
| 15:43.30 | elg | implicit means it's implied |
| 15:43.46 | elg | you can tell from the imp part |
| 15:43.59 | levi | To imply something means to make it implicit. |
| 15:44.00 | elg | explies something nasty about goozbach |
| 15:44.09 | levi | To explain something makes it explicit. |
| 15:44.22 | elg | oh sure, take all the fun out of my new word |
| 15:44.26 | levi | And that's your English lesson for the day. |
| 15:44.43 | elg | levi: oh it was vlc |
| 15:44.50 | elg | did you figure out what it's doing to them? |
| 15:45.12 | levi | elg: Oh, no. I just played music out of my other laptop. |
| 15:45.30 | sontek | pulseaudio! |
| 15:45.31 | elg | it just started doing it out of the blue? |
| 15:45.32 | levi | I believe it works fine playing out of iTunes, though. |
| 15:45.51 | levi | elg: Well, I hadn't been using it to play mp3s until recently, when you suggested it. |
| 15:47.28 | levi | Heh, they caught the people who perpetrated the fake 'everything must go' ad on craigslist. |
| 15:47.53 | elg | nice |
| 15:47.54 | levi | Apparently they did it to cover up the fact that they stole a bunch of saddles from him. |
| 15:48.10 | elg | link? |
| 15:48.20 | levi | http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2008/0401081horse1.html |
| 15:48.55 | levi | It pains my soul to see evidence of people who have so little regard for others. |
| 15:49.49 | levi | "I stole a bit of this guy's stuff, but to make it less likely that anyone will catch me, I'll make it so he loses just about *all* his stuff." |
| 15:50.01 | elg | pitiufl |
| 15:50.50 | elg | what's that nifty tuner thing called again? |
| 15:51.02 | levi | hdhomerun |
| 15:54.28 | elg | wonders if he can talk the missus into using some tax money for that |
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| 16:03.23 | bonez44 | how might I transfer a folder, from one windows machine to a friend who lives across town...? I tried www.yousendit.com but it doesn't allow sending entire folders, just individual files. |
| 16:04.28 | elg | zip it |
| 16:04.31 | elg | zip it good |
| 16:05.28 | bonez44 | ok, inside this folder, are several other folders...can I zip half the folders...into one file and the others into another... so that each is under 100 mb? is that the suggestion? and then send the zipped archives? |
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| 16:06.43 | ^Migs^ | http://www.theonion.com/content/opinion/stop_making_movies_about_my |
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| 16:23.42 | nick125 | Ah, another day of LDAP. |
| 16:25.17 | nick125 | I'm still stuck on how to handle groups. |
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| 16:38.18 | bonez44 | elg thanks for the zip tip...sometimes the simplest things elude me |
| 16:38.31 | elg | don't thank me. thank devo |
| 16:40.17 | ^Migs^ | <sarcasm>why don't you ask your #ldap friends?</sarcasm> |
| 16:40.25 | ^Migs^ | ;) |
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| 16:43.40 | bonez44 | ok.....devo...I thank you |
| 16:43.50 | nick125 | ^Migs^: lol |
| 16:44.39 | nick125 | ^Migs^: I think I'm going to use a bunch of GroupOfNames..it might make it harder to add a user, since you have to modify the group entry, but I'll write a script to add users anyways. |
| 16:45.07 | ^Migs^ | I think scripting user additions is kind of mandatory, anyway |
| 16:45.16 | ^Migs^ | if you have more than 50 users |
| 16:45.28 | nick125 | yeah |
| 16:45.43 | findlay | or you have a GUI admin :) |
| 16:46.16 | tensai | phpldapadmin++ |
| 16:46.35 | nick125 | phpldapadmin can't make users directories, can it? |
| 16:47.16 | ^Migs^ | try GOsa |
| 16:48.40 | tensai | nick125: pam_mkhomedir |
| 16:49.51 | ^Migs^ | also Directory Administrator, though I don't think it's supported anymore: http://diradmin.open-it.org/ |
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| 16:51.41 | Sargun | nick125, Kill yourself while you're still ahead. |
| 16:52.04 | nick125 | Sargun: too late |
| 16:52.37 | Sargun | hehe |
| 16:53.20 | tensai | gosa looks pretty cool |
| 16:55.41 | ^Migs^ | yeah, it's nice |
| 16:55.48 | ^Migs^ | little tricky to configure... |
| 16:56.13 | nick125 | looks |
| 16:56.22 | nick125 | ^Migs^: And this isn't tricky? :) |
| 16:57.01 | findlay | I think LDAP *means* tricky in the original Paiute |
| 16:59.08 | Tene | http://www.ssec.wisc.edu/data/paw/ |
| 16:59.36 | ^Migs^ | GOsa even has Asterisk support |
| 16:59.42 | ^Migs^ | I think that's pretty NIFTY |
| 17:00.26 | findlay | sure is |
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| 17:12.51 | sjansen | Got a moment? I need to pick your brain. What are common reasons you use shell scripting? What do you consider important shell scripting skills? |
| 17:13.38 | eggyknap | sjansen: important skill: being able to test whether the command you just called from your shell script worked or not |
| 17:13.42 | findlay | I use shell scripting to replace my coworkers one by one |
| 17:13.48 | eggyknap | (in other words, paying attention to exit status) |
| 17:15.43 | ^Migs^ | geez, David Archuleta blew the competition away last night: http://youtube.com/watch?v=MqLKkgzZGdw |
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| 17:18.37 | tensai | sjansen: I start thinking about shell scripting whenever I need to do something more than once, especially things that need to happen while I'm sleeping. |
| 17:21.38 | tensai | sjansen: skills I would consider important: for, while loops. pipes. backticks, $(). variables. commandly used commands: grep, awk/sed/perl, wc, ls, find. []. |
| 17:21.59 | tensai | sjansen: also of extreme importance is to know when to dump shell and move to perl |
| 17:22.34 | findlay | so, I'm thinking of buying a few cheap disks and start experimenting with RAID |
| 17:24.23 | ^Migs^ | hahaha http://bash.org/?853555 |
| 17:25.24 | Supaplex | I consider screen+script to be a necessity when automating various builds. tensai took all the good/important stuff, even [] (Eg. bash internal "test"). Oh, and it's somewhat important to know portability - sometimes bash isn't around :) |
| 17:26.33 | tensai | findlay: what kind of experiments? |
| 17:26.59 | Supaplex | how to unbreak it when something goes wrong :) |
| 17:27.38 | findlay | tensai: anything, seeing that I have no raid experience yet |
| 17:27.59 | tensai | findlay: well then, to start I would recommend you create some lvm volumes and play raid with those. |
| 17:28.11 | findlay | tensai: good idea |
| 17:28.58 | findlay | wouldn't that be rail? |
| 17:29.19 | findlay | redundant array of inexpensive lvm volumes |
| 17:31.26 | goozbach | then create another lvm pv on top of that... |
| 17:31.28 | goozbach | then ... |
| 17:32.27 | Supaplex | then give a logical volume to a xen pv guest, then put more lvm inside, then ... |
| 17:32.43 | tensai | redundant array of volumes masquerading as physical disks |
| 17:32.55 | ^Migs^ | ah, the old ravmpd |
| 17:32.56 | tensai | ravmpd. doesn't have the same ring to it. |
| 17:34.26 | sjansen | tensai: What sorts of things have you scripted to happen while you're sleeping? |
| 17:36.09 | tensai | sjansen: insert logs into a database, provisioning/deprovisioning scripts, backups, radius accounting |
| 17:36.58 | tensai | sjansen: download new podcasts and correct the horrible mish-mash of id3 tags |
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| 17:43.09 | fozzmoo | returns from the eye doctor |
| 17:43.36 | fozzmoo | It's a good thing I keep my office dark or else I woudln't be able to do this. |
| 17:43.57 | fozzmoo | So, I was listening to some Rush (Limbaugh) on my way back... |
| 17:44.34 | Supaplex | taps fozzmoo's eye to make sure it's still there |
| 17:44.44 | fozzmoo | he was quoting someone who said "If someone doesn't believe in God, they don't believe in nothing. Instead, they can believe anything." |
| 17:45.06 | fozzmoo | I'd like to know who said that. |
| 17:45.32 | fozzmoo | hisses at Supaplex |
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| 17:50.08 | fozzmoo | thanks Google |
| 17:50.21 | fozzmoo | " When a Man stops believing in God he doesn't then believe in nothing, he believes anything." |
| 17:50.47 | fozzmoo | (Emile Cammaerts) |
| 17:54.22 | tensai | fozzmoo: methinks you went to the wrong kind of doctor if you're listening to Rush Limbaugh |
| 17:54.50 | fozzmoo | tensai: Why? Rush is the "doctor of Democracy!" |
| 17:55.35 | tensai | fozzmoo: I would recommend you find a good shrink :) |
| 17:55.54 | unum | is embarrassed that he used to listen to rush |
| 17:55.58 | fozzmoo | Funny you mention that. Dr. Laura's on next. |
| 17:56.00 | unum | my dad made me do it! |
| 17:56.10 | tensai | maybe an exorcist too |
| 17:57.07 | fozzmoo | Yeah- and you guys probably think global warming is all man-made too. |
| 17:58.14 | fozzmoo | Wait a minute! What global warming? |
| 18:00.05 | tensai | let's just ignore it and it'll go away |
| 18:00.18 | goozbach | I listen to rush |
| 18:00.58 | fozzmoo | Actually, ignoring concerns to the environment is a bad thing to do. But, in the case of global warming, doing nothing is exactly what we should be doing right now. |
| 18:00.58 | goozbach | snakes & arrows is pretty good |
| 18:01.04 | fozzmoo | goozbach: :) |
| 18:01.18 | elg | isn't embarrased that he used to listen to rush |
| 18:01.57 | elg | no am car radio and not having brain-leisure time in the morning spoiled it |
| 18:02.29 | elg | and he's too capitalistic to do a podcast so... |
| 18:02.47 | elg | not that i begrudge him that, but it takes me out of his target audience |
| 18:02.59 | tensai | fozzmoo: a lot of the cures are worse than the disease. people want to do "something" so they seem relevant. |
| 18:03.18 | ^Migs^ | for every tree you save, I will burn 3 |
| 18:03.26 | fozzmoo | heh. |
| 18:03.32 | ^Migs^ | I'd love to get that on a T-shirt |
| 18:03.56 | elg | for every hybrid you buy, I 'll buy three SUVs doesn't have the same ring |
| 18:03.58 | tensai | ^Migs^: go buy some iron on transfers. it's not that hard. |
| 18:04.05 | ^Migs^ | oh yeah, totally |
| 18:04.13 | sjansen | Rush Limbaugh's greatest sin is making Anne Coulter possible. |
| 18:07.04 | fozzmoo | The global warming alarmists (like Al Gore) want to spend $26TRILLION in an attempt to stop global warming (which has already stopped by itself, despite man's continued use of fossil fuels and cows)... |
| 18:07.44 | ^Migs^ | http://bash.org/?792343 |
| 18:07.47 | fozzmoo | As far as the betterment of mankind or the world or the environment, there's a lot we can do with $26T. |
| 18:08.01 | fozzmoo | (and still have plenty left over) |
| 18:10.02 | sjansen | Well that's a new one. No more denying the planet is warming. Now you admit it, but claim the warming has stopped. |
| 18:10.04 | Sargun | fozzmoo, do you believe in global warming? |
| 18:10.34 | fozzmoo | I believe in climate change. I just don't believe man can do much about it. |
| 18:10.40 | fozzmoo | or cause much of it. |
| 18:11.02 | JoshH | fozzmoo, that's kinda how i am |
| 18:11.03 | Sargun | So you think that it isn't caused by human kind, and its something that is naturally happening? |
| 18:11.23 | fozzmoo | I mean, a nice volcanic eruption puts more "greenhouse gases" into the atmosphere than all the SUVs on the planet could do in hundreds of years. |
| 18:11.33 | sjansen | Acid rain? Humans couldn't have that much effect. |
| 18:11.48 | fozzmoo | sjansen: Avid rain != global warming |
| 18:11.49 | sjansen | Silent sprint? Can't be DDT, humans couldn't have that much effect. |
| 18:11.53 | JoshH | i think limiting pollution is more important than trying to slow warming |
| 18:12.33 | sjansen | Falling sperm counts? Couldn't be the estrogen-like chemicals we're spewing, humans couldn't have that much effect. |
| 18:13.23 | fozzmoo | Another thing to take into consideration is that new astronomical data suggests similar climate change patterns on other planets- namely Mars. |
| 18:13.32 | fozzmoo | Last I checked, there were no Hummers on Mars. |
| 18:13.40 | sjansen | Increased cancer rates? Couldn't be cigarettes and asbestos. Humans can't have the much effect. Must be increased radiation from the sun. |
| 18:13.42 | fozzmoo | But there is one thing Mars and Earth share in common... |
| 18:13.51 | fozzmoo | The sun. |
| 18:14.32 | sjansen | So you're saying that we should ignore the problem because _maybe_ we're not the only contributing factor? |
| 18:14.44 | fozzmoo | Not IGNORE. |
| 18:14.46 | fozzmoo | I already said that. |
| 18:15.03 | fozzmoo | But we shouldn't do anything rash until we know we understand the problem! |
| 18:15.16 | sjansen | So you're saying you'd be okay with letting your kids play with lead painted toys because maybe lead isn't causing the problem. After all, humanity survived for hundreds of years with lead pipes. Can't be a problem, right? |
| 18:15.18 | fozzmoo | Okay. I'm being wrested away from #utah for lunch... THANK GOODNESS! |
| 18:26.16 | ^Migs^ | check this out: http://www.gametrailers.com/player/32438.html |
| 18:26.19 | Tene | sjansen: well, if humans didn't cause it, then obviously we can't fix it. Humans can't have that much effect. |
| 18:31.08 | ^Migs^ | haha, here's another strange one from Japan: http://www.gametrailers.com/player/32423.html |
| 18:31.55 | unum | pollution is still bad for us even if it's not contributing to globabl warming |
| 18:35.34 | pr0le | exactly, unum |
| 18:56.08 | fozzmoo | And as far as pollution is concerned, the US is already the shining example of environmentally conscious behavior for the rest of the world. |
| 18:57.32 | findlay | heh |
| 18:57.34 | findlay | sure |
| 19:06.57 | findlay | I hate it when narrow-minded political pundits take up scientific issues and propagandize ridiculous, divisive, meaningless drivel |
| 19:09.05 | eggyknap | <cough>DST</cough> |
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| 19:23.31 | sjansen | fozzmoo: Thank you for demonstrating the effect of repeated exposure to Rush. |
| 19:24.11 | sjansen | Kids: Let this be a warning to you. |
| 19:24.18 | fozzmoo | sjansen: I think you mean "common sense" |
| 19:24.20 | fozzmoo | ;-) |
| 19:24.34 | jsmith | All I can say is that I'm glad we don't get all the gov't we pay for. |
| 19:25.19 | fozzmoo | jsmith: heh. |
| 19:32.15 | eggyknap | lol |
| 19:34.31 | unum | fozzmoo: I thought you were libertarian |
| 19:35.02 | fozzmoo | I'm not? |
| 19:35.23 | unum | I don't see how a libertarian could listen to a conservative |
| 19:35.40 | fozzmoo | That doesn't make any sense at all. |
| 19:35.43 | unum | and call it common sense |
| 19:36.03 | fozzmoo | LIbertarian is not opposite of conservative. |
| 19:36.34 | fozzmoo | Most political graphs show libertarian vs totalitarian on one axis and conservative vs liberal on another. |
| 19:36.52 | fozzmoo | I would place myself in the quadrant where libertarian and conservative intersect |
| 19:36.59 | unum | uuuuuuh |
| 19:37.11 | unum | I like the graph the politicalcompass.org website uses |
| 19:37.16 | unum | which shows no intersection |
| 19:37.30 | fozzmoo | Take Ron Paul supporters, for example. |
| 19:37.41 | fozzmoo | THey will tell you they are conseravative and libertarian. |
| 19:37.50 | unum | not the ones I know |
| 19:37.54 | unum | they just say libertarian |
| 19:38.18 | findlay | they're librarians? |
| 19:38.23 | unum | because Rush and Bush say they are conservatives, and the other libertarians I know hate them |
| 19:38.36 | fozzmoo | Rush Limbaugh is a conservative. |
| 19:38.43 | fozzmoo | George W. Bush is quite moderate. |
| 19:39.01 | unum | not according to politicalcompass.org |
| 19:39.20 | fozzmoo | John McCain is right of Bush. |
| 19:39.22 | fozzmoo | I mean left. |
| 19:39.23 | fozzmoo | Sorry. |
| 19:39.25 | JoshH | i'd say bush is pretty extreme, though not necessarily conservative |
| 19:39.39 | unum | depends on how you draw the scale |
| 19:39.42 | JoshH | we need a new word for those people |
| 19:39.48 | unum | McCain is more of a civil libertarian |
| 19:39.49 | fozzmoo | Bushies? |
| 19:39.59 | unum | than bush |
| 19:40.08 | fozzmoo | McCain is pretty liberal compared to Bush. |
| 19:40.59 | findlay | I hate labels |
| 19:41.12 | findlay | once you start to use them you stop listening |
| 19:41.26 | unum | they mean so many different things to differnt people |
| 19:41.28 | fozzmoo | unum, the graph at politicalcompass is EXACTLY what I'm talking a bout. |
| 19:41.29 | findlay | stop thinking and start drawing the turf |
| 19:41.41 | fozzmoo | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:42.06 | fozzmoo | Right is "conservative" |
| 19:42.10 | unum | I consider lower right to be libertarian |
| 19:42.18 | unum | and upper right to be conservative |
| 19:42.27 | fozzmoo | That's messed up. |
| 19:42.34 | sjansen | Argh. Folks, a public service announcement. Using whoami to check if a script is running as root is almost always a mistake. You should instead check $EUID, $UID or id -u. |
| 19:42.40 | fozzmoo | Upper-right is conservative-authoritarian. |
| 19:42.49 | ^Migs^ | where's all the upper lefts? |
| 19:42.52 | unum | uh the libertarian candidate is in the lower right quadrant and all the republicans are in the upper right |
| 19:43.01 | unum | it works for me |
| 19:43.19 | sjansen | Despite what any so-called expert may claim, any decent shell will make $UID and $EUID readonly. (Bash does, for starters.) |
| 19:43.21 | fozzmoo | And John Kerry is pretty conservative according to this. |
| 19:43.29 | unum | he is |
| 19:43.29 | fozzmoo | I wonder where Barack Obama would be on this graph. |
| 19:43.32 | ^Migs^ | the absence of upper lefts indicates to me that libertarians are spineless |
| 19:43.42 | unum | http://politicalcompass.org/usprimaries2008 |
| 19:44.10 | unum | kuccinch and naders are the only real liberals who have ran this year |
| 19:44.12 | ^Migs^ | lol |
| 19:44.16 | ^Migs^ | who made this site? |
| 19:44.28 | ^Migs^ | Clinton is NOT right |
| 19:44.39 | ^Migs^ | in both the literal and political sense |
| 19:44.47 | fozzmoo | It confirms what I have believed: she's right of Obama. :) |
| 19:46.15 | unum | if anyone thinks she's more liberal than obama that person hasn't been pay attention |
| 19:46.19 | fozzmoo | So, this raises an interesting question. unum has challenged that it is difficult to be conservative and libertarian at the same time. |
| 19:46.26 | unum | I wish the democrats would actually run a liberal |
| 19:46.29 | unum | stupid cowards |
| 19:46.38 | fozzmoo | Obama's pretty lib. |
| 19:46.42 | unum | fozzmoo: impossible, they are not the same thing |
| 19:46.49 | fozzmoo | OKay. Impossible. |
| 19:46.49 | unum | Obama is liberal compared to bush |
| 19:46.59 | unum | but not a world wide scale he's not |
| 19:47.01 | fozzmoo | Obama's "the most liberal in the senate" |
| 19:47.08 | unum | that could be |
| 19:47.14 | ^Migs^ | I think Bush is pretty liberal |
| 19:47.16 | fozzmoo | Well, sure. USA is a conservative country (thank goodness) |
| 19:47.25 | unum | unfortunately |
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| 19:47.51 | unum | yearns for the days liberal leadership like lincorn and tr |
| 19:47.52 | fozzmoo | A German friend working here in the states says my office would violate German government lighting regulations. |
| 19:47.53 | sontek | yeah, or we'd just have a bunch of tattooed alcoholic senators running around! |
| 19:48.01 | unum | lincoln |
| 19:48.06 | mrpull | hrrmm... I think I missed the april fools topic yesterday |
| 19:48.27 | sontek | there was an april fools topic? |
| 19:48.33 | unum | fozzmoo: you're using a different definition for liberal and conservative than me |
| 19:48.33 | fozzmoo | I Said, "The German government regulates a minimum level of lighting in the workplace?!" |
| 19:48.47 | mrpull | was? perhaps still is? |
| 19:48.50 | unum | do you define liberals as being in the upper left quadrant? |
| 19:48.51 | fozzmoo | Let's back up... |
| 19:49.05 | fozzmoo | I was using liberal as "progressive" |
| 19:49.12 | fozzmoo | Not a classic liberal. |
| 19:49.18 | sontek | I didn't they have good insurance |
| 19:49.35 | sontek | whoops, the I didn't was from a thought that I didn't finish :P |
| 19:49.46 | fozzmoo | ~thwack sontek |
| 19:49.46 | ibot | ACTION smacks sontek on the ear with a Holy Bible |
| 19:49.52 | unum | I can handle the progressive label |
| 19:50.00 | sontek | ouch! ibot nice choice of weapon! |
| 19:50.08 | unum | so the government requires that lighting be a certain way in the work place |
| 19:50.13 | unum | is this supposed to upset me? |
| 19:50.18 | unum | it doesn't |
| 19:50.18 | sontek | does 15 our fathers |
| 19:50.36 | sontek | unum: I think its easy to get you upset! |
| 19:50.47 | sontek | unum: Clinton is liberal!!! |
| 19:50.48 | fozzmoo | unum: You don't think that's a little... overreaching of the government? |
| 19:50.48 | sontek | waits |
| 19:51.03 | unum | fozzmoo: no, I agree with TR on this |
| 19:51.16 | fozzmoo | California wants control of people's house thermostats. |
| 19:51.21 | JoshH | fozzmoo: how do you feel about bush? |
| 19:51.22 | fozzmoo | Do you see anything wrong with that? |
| 19:51.27 | unum | tries to remember the correct wording |
| 19:51.34 | sontek | JoshH: Bush is teh devil! |
| 19:51.42 | sontek | JoshH: wait, the Devil isn't that bad |
| 19:51.46 | unum | fozzmoo: I think breathing clean air. so less power california uses the better for me |
| 19:51.49 | sontek | JoshH: Josh is the Devil++! |
| 19:51.52 | sjansen | Perhaps govt. involvement is the only way to resolve the ancient sysadmin lights on or off battle. |
| 19:51.53 | sontek | bush* |
| 19:51.57 | unum | as long as they are making them use less power, not more |
| 19:52.00 | sontek | OFF! |
| 19:52.04 | sontek | +1 for off |
| 19:52.08 | ^Migs^ | I think 10 years from now, Bush will be remembered as a pretty awesome president |
| 19:52.13 | sontek | runs for presidency |
| 19:52.15 | sjansen | Hmmm.... Maybe we could get congress to resolve vi vs. emacs too. |
| 19:52.21 | fozzmoo | How do I feel about Bush? I supported him until about 2006. |
| 19:52.31 | ^Migs^ | since we're on the downhill slide from here |
| 19:52.33 | sontek | sjansen: all them darn conservatives would vote for nano |
| 19:52.39 | JoshH | sorry, i mean do you think he's a good example of a conservative? |
| 19:52.41 | ^Migs^ | why 2006, fozzmoo? |
| 19:52.51 | sontek | ~vote for sjansen |
| 19:53.01 | sontek | ~sjansen++ |
| 19:53.04 | sontek | ~karma sjansen |
| 19:53.04 | ibot | sjansen has karma of 3 |
| 19:53.05 | sjansen | sontek: Conservatives? I thought they'd all vote for ed. If it ain't broke don't improve it. |
| 19:53.11 | fozzmoo | ^Migs^: I dunno. After the 2006 elections, the administration just started to show its "true colors" if you will. |
| 19:53.27 | fozzmoo | Maybe he's been trying to "salvage his legacy" or something. |
| 19:53.38 | fozzmoo | But he's done a lot of not-conservative things that I don't agree with. |
| 19:53.54 | sontek | speaking of legacy, Clinton was a badass! |
| 19:54.14 | sjansen | JoshH: I don't consider anyone who hamstrings the military and increases the deficit a conservative. |
| 19:54.17 | fozzmoo | Looking back, I was happy with the way he handled 9/11, Afghanistan, and the first few days of Iraq |
| 19:54.34 | unum | most of what he has done fits perfectly with my definition of conservative |
| 19:54.45 | sontek | unum: then you are wrong! |
| 19:54.48 | fozzmoo | I'm happy with the troop surge |
| 19:54.49 | JoshH | i liked the way he started handling afghanistan, but not how he just forgot about it later |
| 19:54.49 | sontek | unum: get a new definition! |
| 19:54.58 | sontek | unum: I can call an apple orange, doesn't mean it is one! |
| 19:55.25 | fozzmoo | But, a lot of Bush's military problems were Rumsfeld. |
| 19:55.34 | unum | sontek: true, yet you keep trying to do it with the trem "conservatism" |
| 19:55.39 | fozzmoo | Rumsfeld bungled a lot of stuff. |
| 19:55.45 | unum | no matter how much you want that to mean libertarian, it doesn't |
| 19:55.58 | sjansen | A lot of Bush's problems in general are related to listening to idiot. Rumsfield. Cheney. Rove. |
| 19:56.13 | fozzmoo | ACtually, Cheney would have been a good one to listen to more often. |
| 19:56.26 | sontek | a president who surrounds himself with idiots, is an idiot. |
| 19:56.27 | fozzmoo | Unlike Rove, he doesn't care about what's politically expedient. |
| 19:56.38 | sontek | You can't be like "BUSH WASNT BAD, IT WAS HIS TEAM" |
| 19:56.45 | sontek | Hes the quarterback |
| 19:56.48 | fozzmoo | sontek: And a president that surrounds hiimself with Monica Lewinsky's lips? |
| 19:57.02 | sontek | fozzmoo: a man good at his job? |
| 19:57.07 | neybar | lol |
| 19:57.14 | sjansen | Better than a president that increases govt spending without finding a way to pay for it. |
| 19:57.16 | sontek | fozzmoo: a blowjob doesn't make a bad president |
| 19:57.25 | fozzmoo | Yeah, if it's from your wife. |
| 19:57.27 | sontek | fozzmoo: I doubt there are many interns willing to blow bush at this point =) |
| 19:57.30 | fozzmoo | Not YOUR wife. |
| 19:57.31 | fozzmoo | His wife. |
| 19:57.57 | fozzmoo | sjansen: That's my biggest problem with BUsh + Congress. |
| 19:58.00 | sontek | fozzmoo: although cheating is morally wrong, that is a personal mistake, not a presidential mistake |
| 19:58.13 | fozzmoo | Bush's tax cuts were excellent answer to the economic problems of 9/11 |
| 19:58.16 | JoshH | if we got rid of every politician who cheated on their wife, we would barely have a government left |
| 19:58.28 | neybar | that doesn't sound half bad to me |
| 19:58.32 | sontek | fozzmoo: I think Bush has done enough to deserve an impeachment, where as Clinton didn't deserve it at all. |
| 19:58.33 | fozzmoo | But govt spending shoudl have been curtailed too. |
| 19:58.36 | JoshH | not that we shouldn't, but clinton isn't the only president who ever got a bj in teh white house |
| 19:58.58 | sontek | thats why it has so many rooms |
| 19:59.01 | JoshH | and it's hard to argue that bush has done a better job than him |
| 19:59.09 | sontek | so the presidents can do their bidness without the wives knowing |
| 19:59.17 | fozzmoo | I think Bush has been scared of congress. He has lacked the leadership skills to rally the party around him. |
| 19:59.24 | unum | I think they both deserve it |
| 19:59.32 | unum | clinton committed perjury |
| 19:59.44 | JoshH | the party did rally around him, and then he proved to be a huge disappointment, so now his party is basically abandoning him |
| 19:59.45 | unum | I don't care about what he did with monica, it was lying under oath |
| 19:59.50 | sontek | He shouldn't have had to go to court for a personal matter |
| 19:59.56 | sjansen | I blame Clinton's spinelessness for 9/11, but at least he had the sense to not get stuck in another Vietnam. And working with a Democratic congress, he actually managed to pay down the debt. |
| 20:00.01 | fozzmoo | JoshH: But he never demanded spending cuts when the GOP had power. |
| 20:00.04 | ^Migs^ | I think the President should be impeached whenever the people say he should be. |
| 20:00.07 | fozzmoo | That's what I mean. |
| 20:00.11 | ^Migs^ | They should set up a web site where we can vote. |
| 20:00.14 | JoshH | bush is a big spender |
| 20:00.17 | ^Migs^ | If, like, 1 million people vote yes, he gets impeached |
| 20:00.18 | fozzmoo | he is. |
| 20:00.19 | ^Migs^ | The end. |
| 20:00.22 | JoshH | but tried not to be a big taxer |
| 20:00.32 | fozzmoo | JoshH: Right. Big mistake. |
| 20:00.33 | JoshH | so basically, he's stupid |
| 20:00.39 | JoshH | when it comes to financial matters |
| 20:00.47 | fozzmoo | yeah. |
| 20:00.52 | unum | that's why greenspan quit |
| 20:00.56 | fozzmoo | heh. |
| 20:00.56 | sjansen | In comparison, what has Bush done for us? Ignored reality, hoping for magical tech to make war painless. Invented a new drug entitlement program. Increased the debt. |
| 20:01.02 | fozzmoo | No. Greenspan quit cuz he's old. |
| 20:01.07 | unum | greenspan kept telling bush to stop the deficit spending |
| 20:01.14 | fozzmoo | DAvid Walker quit because of the deficit spending. |
| 20:01.37 | fozzmoo | Greenspan didn't work for Bush. He worked for the Federal REserve. |
| 20:01.42 | unum | bush won't listen, he's probably as crazy as reagan. activily seeking to bring about world war III |
| 20:01.50 | fozzmoo | coughs |
| 20:01.57 | fozzmoo | Man. unum and I live in completely different realities. |
| 20:02.01 | JoshH | bush is much crazier than reagan |
| 20:02.02 | unum | yes yes we do |
| 20:02.15 | unum | doesn't listen rush limbaugh for his world views |
| 20:02.19 | sontek | thats it, we are going to break out the talking stick |
| 20:02.26 | sontek | hands the talking stick to fozzmoo |
| 20:02.29 | nick125 | kicks LDAP |
| 20:02.34 | fozzmoo | I think Reagan was the best president we've had in the last 50 years. |
| 20:02.36 | sontek | nick125: SHHH you don't have the stick! |
| 20:02.51 | sjansen | steals the talking stick and beats emcnabb with it |
| 20:02.52 | fozzmoo | doesn't listen to the world for his political views. :) |
| 20:02.59 | nick125 | takes the talking stick and burns it |
| 20:03.04 | fozzmoo | heh. |
| 20:03.04 | unum | checks the deficit spending charts.... |
| 20:03.08 | JoshH | overall, i'd probably agree, even though i really disagree with a lot of what he did |
| 20:03.11 | sjansen | fozzmoo: Yes, much better to let a talking head do your thinking for you. |
| 20:03.11 | neybar | greenspan and the federal reserve benefit from a deficit, why would they stop it? |
| 20:03.13 | levi | Did you guys see the Cobol on Cogs joke? http://www.coboloncogs.org/HOME.HTM |
| 20:03.15 | unum | hmm reagan did that tooo |
| 20:03.41 | fozzmoo | unum: I challenge you to look more into that than just the numbers. |
| 20:03.44 | unum | oh he "borowed" the money from the regressive social securty tax in order to pay for the military programs |
| 20:03.45 | fozzmoo | I was perplexed by that too. |
| 20:04.02 | emcnabb | sjansen, don't you have something better to do than to bother me? |
| 20:04.02 | JoshH | i'm really not a huge reagan fan, but at least he didn't practically destroy the country |
| 20:04.07 | unum | so we can just kill that program and pretty much come out even |
| 20:04.25 | fozzmoo | I think part of Reagan's greatness was that he followed Carter. ;-) |
| 20:04.26 | unum | JoshH: you're right bush is crazier |
| 20:04.39 | unum | I think that's all of his greatness |
| 20:04.42 | JoshH | reagan, bush 1, and clinton were all fairly decent presidents overall, who did their jobs somewhat well, regardless of politics |
| 20:04.44 | unum | carter really screwed up |
| 20:04.49 | neybar | I only have one complaint about SS, if I'm not going to get a payout when I retire then I shouldn't have to pay into it. |
| 20:05.08 | fozzmoo | neybar: Yeah. Why can't we opt out? |
| 20:05.22 | sontek | Thats why whoever this next president is, will be one of the greatest of all time |
| 20:05.24 | unum | then where would our military budget come from? |
| 20:05.28 | sjansen | Destroy the country? That's a bit excessive. All he's done in significantly increase spending, increase divisiveness, sneer at the constitution, bury us in a war of choice... need I go on? |
| 20:05.32 | fozzmoo | Anyway. I dunno about the rest of you, but I have work to do. :) |
| 20:05.38 | sontek | and everyonoe else from now on is just going to get the 'atleast hes not bush' |
| 20:05.42 | unum | they might have to raise the income tax, and that would tax the rich!!! |
| 20:05.56 | fozzmoo | sontek: Whoever the next president is will blame all their problems on Bush. :) |
| 20:05.57 | findlay | sontek: I don't know how you can look at the candidates and seriously think that :) |
| 20:06.19 | neybar | at this point I'm going to write in Mickey Mouse or something. |
| 20:06.19 | sontek | findlay: you have to stop looking at the candidates themselves and compare them to bush! |
| 20:06.25 | sontek | findlay: they get a lot better once you do that |
| 20:06.28 | fozzmoo | Wayne Allyn Root. :) |
| 20:06.35 | fozzmoo | http://www.rootforamerica.com/ |
| 20:07.39 | sjansen | fozzmoo: Oh no, it could be better than that. Just imagine a Democrat as president following his lead and steam rolling over checks and balances. Who needs congress to force you to turn on your lights when you've got the executive power to oppose the terrorism of darkness? |
| 20:08.15 | neybar | terrorism of darkness... I like that. Down with incandesent lighting |
| 20:08.29 | sontek | yeah, i'm down for no lights |
| 20:08.32 | unum | neybar: why do you dislike mccain? |
| 20:08.43 | neybar | I don't trust him |
| 20:08.47 | sontek | because he gave Bush a hug! |
| 20:08.56 | sontek | anyone who hugs Bush is an enemy to mankind |
| 20:09.08 | sontek | (: |
| 20:09.17 | unum | well atleast he's not the two faced oppurtunist that romney is |
| 20:09.25 | neybar | ok... |
| 20:09.34 | unum | was hoping romney would win and go back to his liberal roots |
| 20:09.35 | sontek | haha, you guys really like your politics |
| 20:09.46 | unum | I think romney was the most liberal guy in the race |
| 20:09.48 | JoshH | romney was basically a male, republican version of hillary |
| 20:09.49 | neybar | that is a good way to choose a politician. X is good because Y did so and so |
| 20:09.58 | sontek | I don't care who gets voted in, as long as they are willing to get a bj in the whitehouse, they are ok in my book |
| 20:10.01 | JoshH | changing his positions, an opportunist, etc |
| 20:10.05 | unum | JoshH: no he's not anywhere near that conservative |
| 20:10.19 | unum | oh that way you mean |
| 20:10.29 | unum | I think he did more of an about face than her |
| 20:10.57 | JoshH | ya, he did |
| 20:11.15 | unum | atleast in a short amount of time |
| 20:11.32 | unum | I know she was republican in college, but we're all allowed to be dumb then |
| 20:11.42 | unum | was republican when he started college |
| 20:11.43 | findlay | well that's it |
| 20:11.50 | findlay | I'm voting for sontek! |
| 20:12.04 | neybar | because being republican means you are dumb? |
| 20:12.16 | JoshH | yup |
| 20:12.22 | findlay | heh |
| 20:12.27 | findlay | this is great |
| 20:12.35 | unum | neybar: I'd say that supporting the current republican party means you are naive |
| 20:13.00 | unum | if you believe speaker curtis is for more local government you are an idiot |
| 20:13.02 | neybar | not any more than supporting the current democratic party |
| 20:13.14 | unum | I like the local democratic party |
| 20:13.19 | unum | actually I like howard dean as well |
| 20:13.25 | JoshH | i like the party in general, right now, but i don't like the congress at all |
| 20:13.42 | JoshH | i'm waiting for just one promise to be fulfilled, or at least an attempt made to fulfill one |
| 20:13.44 | unum | I don't know much about barrack, but there is a lot I like about him |
| 20:14.23 | unum | s/a lot/some |
| 20:15.51 | sontek | speaking of politics... isn't lamont running for something? |
| 20:16.06 | neybar | I think it was a local district if I remember |
| 20:16.08 | findlay | votes for lamont! |
| 20:16.27 | unum | state senate |
| 20:16.52 | unum | I think it should be narrowed down in county convention |
| 20:17.15 | unum | or the republican may not do that until state convention |
| 20:17.19 | unum | not sure |
| 20:31.39 | unum | so speaking of libertarians, who's voting for superdell? |
| 20:31.40 | tensai | JoshH: yeah, the only thing that makes me more angry than the bush administration is the democrats in congress who won't stand up to him |
| 20:32.25 | tensai | one of the only positive moves they've made was for the house to reject telecom immunity |
| 20:32.31 | unum | tensai: that's true |
| 20:32.33 | JoshH | i used to think harry reid wasn't that bad too |
| 20:33.18 | unum | have you been following lessig's new thing |
| 20:33.28 | unum | I wonder if he'll be able to make a difference |
| 20:33.39 | JoshH | doubtful |
| 20:33.41 | tensai | my rep is a total twit. I keep writing and he keeps responding with the same trite drivel. |
| 20:33.51 | unum | who's your rep |
| 20:34.02 | tensai | mike simpson, R-ID |
| 20:34.22 | sontek | Thats because you are letting an R represent you |
| 20:34.28 | unum | does anyone know matheson's stand? |
| 20:34.29 | sontek | put a D on there and you should be good |
| 20:34.49 | unum | well our democrat isn't any different from most of the R's |
| 20:35.03 | unum | the ironic thing is he usually is more fiscally conservative |
| 20:35.30 | unum | that's about the only good thing I can same about him |
| 20:35.35 | unum | s/same/say |
| 20:42.18 | nick125 | I hate PAM. |
| 20:43.31 | nick125 | "FAILED LOGIN on 'tty3' FOR 'user', Authentication Failure" < What does that tell me? Nothing. |
| 20:44.32 | nick125 | I'm about to whip out of the LDAP configs and start over. |
| 20:44.34 | nick125 | *wipe |
| 20:44.37 | nick125 | brb |
| 20:46.36 | sjansen | nick125: What distro? |
| 20:48.51 | sjansen | Possible problems: You havevn't configured /etc/ldap.conf correctly. You can't bind because of auth problems. You can't bind because of cert problems. You don't have the right schema. |
| 20:54.58 | ^Migs^ | use ActiveDirectory |
| 21:13.21 | brasto | MS ActiveDirectory? |
| 21:13.31 | brasto | ~lart ActiveDirectory for existing |
| 21:13.31 | ibot | changes ActiveDirectory's permissions to 0777 and tells the world for existing |
| 21:14.30 | brasto | what do some of you use to batch-get the length's of mp3 files via cli in Linux or Unix environments? |
| 21:14.43 | brasto | lame? |
| 21:14.50 | brasto | ffmpeg with lame? |
| 21:15.34 | beandog | http://ibiblio.org/mp3info/ |
| 21:19.07 | beandog | brasto, ^^ |
| 21:19.55 | brasto | got it beandog |
| 21:20.01 | brasto | i'll try that out. |
| 21:20.25 | brasto | does it calculate mp3 lengths via id3 tags (which may be inaccurate) or directly? |
| 21:20.55 | brasto | s/directly?/directly from the file, beandog?/ |
| 21:22.06 | beandog | dunno |
| 21:24.12 | brasto | i'll test it soon |
| 21:24.44 | tensai | cat foo.mp3 |wc |
| 21:27.53 | sjansen | heh |
| 21:28.31 | brasto | right, tensai... |
| 21:29.24 | brasto | beandog, i also found http://getid3.org/ |
| 21:29.32 | brasto | that one's a php class |
| 21:30.21 | brasto | and although it's name implies otherwise, it states explicitly that it uses file information rather than metatags for play time bitrate and other things. |
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| 21:33.23 | sontek | isn't there an rpm command to see if a config file has changed since it was installed? |
| 21:33.33 | tensai | rpm -V? |
| 21:33.58 | sontek | S.5....T c /etc/unixODBC/odbcinst.ini |
| 21:34.05 | sontek | looks like it :P |
| 21:34.12 | tensai | woot! |
| 21:34.19 | sontek | ~tensai++ |
| 21:34.53 | Tene | ~manpages++ |
| 21:35.13 | sontek | Tene: tensai was faster |
| 21:35.27 | Tene | sontek: what was his velocity? |
| 21:36.06 | sontek | Tene: not sure, is he african or european? |
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| 21:47.35 | sjansen | tensai: Is... is that really you? |
| 21:47.53 | sjansen | fozzmoo: I was so scared. |
| 21:48.00 | sjansen | levi: I thought I'd never see you again. |
| 21:48.20 | nick125 | sjansen: <late reply>ldap.conf should be configured properly...getent passwd returns the correct values (pulling from LDAP and files) |
| 21:49.03 | sjansen | nick125: Well that's too bad. There goes the easy answer. How about getent shadow? |
| 21:49.58 | nick125 | nope, not in shadow. |
| 21:51.21 | sjansen | Is the password in passwd? IIRC, you don't have to be in shadow, just don't get password and account expiration. |
| 21:51.28 | sjansen | How about getent group? |
| 21:55.29 | nick125 | there's a password in passwd |
| 21:55.55 | nick125 | Nothing in group, but I haven't added any posixGroups |
| 22:02.57 | Tadaka | is the date on the HP & Linux meeting supposed to be 2 months ago? |
| 22:03.46 | sontek | Tadaka: this is the Windows IRC Channel |
| 22:06.06 | tensai | poor kornbluth |
| 22:09.45 | Tadaka | thanks rsimpkins |
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| 22:26.09 | keldwud | why do you always say that ibot? |
| 22:26.12 | keldwud | heh |
| 22:26.13 | nick125 | I think I need to redesign my LDAP directory |
| 22:26.44 | Supaplex | $wheel->reinvent; |
| 22:27.06 | nick125 | My current directory is sucky |
| 22:27.55 | keldwud | heya supa |
| 22:28.59 | tensai | ~help onjoin |
| 22:29.22 | tensai | that's not what I expected |
| 22:29.40 | tensai | keldwud: ask ibot about onjoin |
| 22:30.23 | keldwud | ~ibot onjoin |
| 22:30.33 | keldwud | I didn't get a pm |
| 22:30.39 | keldwud | oh whoops |
| 22:30.44 | keldwud | haha wrong command |
| 22:30.44 | tensai | keldwud: say it like I did: ~help onjoin |
| 22:30.48 | mrpull | keldwud: /msg ibot help onjoin |
| 22:30.49 | keldwud | ~help onjoin |
| 22:30.53 | keldwud | I failed at reading ;) |
| 22:31.06 | mrpull | keldwud: you'll have to register with the nickserv to do PM's |
| 22:31.16 | keldwud | I'm registered already |
| 22:31.29 | keldwud | looking at help message now |
| 22:31.35 | keldwud | what are you looking for tensai? |
| 22:31.57 | tensai | mrpull: I think you only have to be registered to send PMs. not sure about receiving them. |
| 22:32.20 | keldwud | yeah receiving is okay, just outbound is fail without registration |
| 22:32.22 | mrpull | and if you send one to ibot like I advised you'd need to be registered... |
| 22:32.30 | nick125 | I requested my PEN, so hopefully i'll get it before tomorrow. |
| 22:32.31 | mrpull | so yup, you are right |
| 22:32.33 | keldwud | oh snap. ;) |
| 22:32.44 | tensai | keldwud: somebody to share, share the rest of my life |
| 22:32.54 | keldwud | haha |
| 22:33.04 | keldwud | yeah aren't we all |
| 22:33.34 | keldwud | ~onjoin infobot Hey! It's another infobot! |
| 22:33.34 | ibot | keldwud: ok |
| 22:33.41 | tensai | mrpull: I see what you're saying. with ~help, ibot responds directly via pm so that should work regardless. |
| 22:33.55 | keldwud | oh I see, so whenever somebody comes in ibot will respond with a message of my choice? |
| 22:34.07 | mrpull | keldwud: until they unset it. |
| 22:34.14 | tensai | ~onjoin redbeard2 |
| 22:34.14 | ibot | onjoin for redbeard2 set by elg on Mon Mar 10 08:33:28 2008: ¡cajeta! |
| 22:34.45 | keldwud | ~onjoin Supaplex hey it's another pacman shaped person! |
| 22:34.45 | ibot | ok, keldwud |
| 22:34.55 | keldwud | ;) |
| 22:35.11 | redbeard2 | tensai: you got a problem with my onjoin? |
| 22:35.14 | keldwud | now logoff and back on again supa! I want to see if it appears here or in PM |
| 22:35.23 | keldwud | ~onjoin keldwud |
| 22:35.26 | nick125 | Anyone good with designing LDAP directories that can give me a hand? |
| 22:35.42 | tensai | redbeard2: I'm just explaininng how it works using you as an example |
| 22:35.56 | keldwud | oh I see, you were answering my question about ibot saying cajeta all the time |
| 22:35.57 | tensai | redbeard2: I certainly have no problems with cajeta. mmmm. |
| 22:36.02 | *** part/#utah Supaplex (i=supaplex@pyroclastic.daxal.com) |
| 22:36.03 | *** join/#utah Supaplex (i=supaplex@pyroclastic.daxal.com) |
| 22:36.04 | keldwud | I get it now |
| 22:36.07 | Supaplex | keldwud: you killed my old onjoin :( |
| 22:36.09 | keldwud | yay. |
| 22:36.11 | keldwud | oh whoops. |
| 22:36.14 | keldwud | what was the old one? |
| 22:36.27 | Supaplex | it was really hard to type, because it's in unicode. :P |
| 22:36.33 | keldwud | haha. sorry :( |
| 22:36.41 | keldwud | I'll be more careful with that in the future. |
| 22:36.50 | Supaplex | i'll have to look for it $someday |
| 22:37.07 | keldwud | gosh, now I feel bad. |
| 22:37.33 | Supaplex | ~onjoin #utah Supaplex |
| 22:37.33 | ibot | onjoin for supaplex set by keldwud on Wed Apr 2 16:34:45 2008: hey it's another pacman shaped person! |
| 22:37.40 | redbeard2 | ~onjoin redbeard2 creme brulee! |
| 22:37.40 | ibot | ok, redbeard2 |
| 22:37.42 | Supaplex | uhh fooey. |
| 22:39.07 | keldwud | will you ever forgive me supaplex? |
| 22:39.16 | Supaplex | done. |
| 22:39.24 | keldwud | oh and hey, redbeard. are you the same redbeard that I work with? |
| 22:39.41 | tensai | .uÃÂop ÃÂpñsdn sñ ùoÃÂñuoï ùnoà'sñÃ¥àpÃÂÃÂù uÃÂànoàÃÂñ |
| 22:39.52 | tensai | Supaplex: that's what my logs show your message was |
| 22:39.58 | keldwud | there tensai got it for ya :) |
| 22:40.20 | Supaplex | cool. now only if I knew how to replace that non-upsidedown period with an upsidedown ! |
| 22:40.46 | keldwud | use your character map |
| 22:40.53 | keldwud | there should be one in windows |
| 22:41.01 | Supaplex | EAGAIN |
| 22:41.03 | tensai | Supaplex: that looks like jibberish to me. did it print correctly? |
| 22:41.41 | Supaplex | irssi doesn't seem to print it all correctly anyway, but yeah, I think it's a little worse than normal |
| 22:41.48 | sontek | it looks like gibberish too me |
| 22:41.53 | Supaplex | blames openwrt ubberskinny binaries |
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| 22:42.11 | tensai | it used to look like upside down text, which I assume was the intent |
| 22:42.13 | sontek | .ueMMop C]]pA+sdn is the start of it for me :P |
| 22:42.24 | tensai | I think my logs aren't utf safe |
| 22:42.32 | Supaplex | :) |
| 22:42.33 | sontek | yeah, the upside down text was much better than the gibberish |
| 22:42.50 | keldwud | look at what I went and started. man, that's the last time I mess around with commands |
| 22:46.39 | tensai | ÉÊÊÇÉ uÊop Çpısdn Çuo sı xÇÊdÉdnS |
| 22:46.55 | tensai | http://www.fileformat.info/convert/text/upside-down.htm |
| 22:47.33 | Supaplex | can I get an upside down ! please? :) |
| 22:47.47 | tensai | ¡¡¡ |
| 22:48.04 | tensai | three for the price of one |
| 22:48.23 | tensai | and no, that isn't an "i" |
| 22:49.18 | Supaplex | ~onjoin supaplex ÂuÊop Çpısdn sı ɹoÊıuoɯ ɹnoÊ 'sÄ±É¥Ê pÉÇɹ uÉÉ noÊ Éı |
| 22:49.18 | ibot | Supaplex: ok |
| 22:49.25 | keldwud | I thinnk you mean to say "can I has upside down plz?" |
| 22:49.32 | Supaplex | I can't tell if the ¡ looks right... |
| 22:49.58 | keldwud | yeah the i's look right |
| 22:50.06 | Supaplex | cool :) |
| 22:50.11 | keldwud | I have a 7 inch laptop that is easy to turn upside down ;) |
| 22:50.19 | tensai | but that onjoin is messed up |
| 22:50.26 | Supaplex | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:51.04 | tensai | ~onjoin Supaplex ËuÊop Çpısdn sı ɹoÊıuoɯ ɹnoÊ 'sÄ±É¥Ê pÉÇɹ uÉÉ noÊ Éı |
| 22:51.04 | ibot | tensai: ok |
| 22:51.19 | tensai | Supaplex: I found it :) |
| 22:51.45 | Supaplex | ahh thanks. |
| 22:52.30 | keldwud | mm, food. brb |
| 22:52.50 | *** join/#utah elg (n=fugalh@dhcp04.cs.nmsu.edu) |
| 22:52.50 | *** mode/#utah [+v elg] by ChanServ |
| 22:53.24 | elg | ~lart emc |
| 22:53.24 | ibot | urinates on emc |
| 22:53.34 | elg | ~lart sjansen |
| 22:53.34 | ibot | squishes sjansen like a bug |
| 22:53.47 | Supaplex | ~eat him |
| 22:53.47 | ibot | ACTION slurps up all the him available |
| 22:53.53 | elg | i'd really like to know why thunderbird is hanging whenever I try to compose a mail today |
| 22:54.07 | keldwud | because FF is fail ;) |
| 22:54.16 | keldwud | ducks the wrath of the open source kids |
| 22:54.37 | elg | if FF is fail, IE is armageddon |
| 22:54.38 | Supaplex | FF != mail client |
| 22:54.53 | keldwud | yeah but thunderbird is teh suxor too |
| 22:54.54 | elg | but yeah, ff isn't tb |
| 22:54.57 | keldwud | they are both bloatware :) |
| 22:55.10 | Supaplex | real men use netcat |
| 22:55.12 | keldwud | oh gosh, I'm gonna get my ass beat if I keep talking like this :) |
| 22:55.37 | fozzmoo | FF is fail?! |
| 22:55.43 | elg | could be worse. you could get your bass eat |
| 22:55.48 | keldwud | I can't talk though, I've never used Thunderbird |
| 22:55.54 | fozzmoo | keldwud: What are you, one of those guys who hangs out on Fark? |
| 22:55.55 | keldwud | ~eat ass |
| 22:55.56 | ibot | That's too disgusting. |
| 22:55.59 | keldwud | hahaha |
| 22:56.12 | keldwud | that's funny ibot. |
| 22:56.35 | keldwud | nah, I'm just some opinionated geek is all :) |
| 22:56.52 | keldwud | with nothing better to do than wait for a chance to say "ff is teh fail!" |
| 22:57.05 | keldwud | makes me feel better about the small size of my penis. |
| 22:57.21 | keldwud | googles fark |
| 22:58.17 | elg | they have stuff for that you know |
| 22:58.18 | Supaplex | kmail 3.5.8 actually works to my expectations lately. well, except the imap protocol helper on gmail. (that hasn't worked well at all) |
| 22:58.29 | elg | if you need i can forward you some spam on the subject |
| 22:58.34 | keldwud | elg yeah I get emails about it all the time :) |
| 22:58.39 | fozzmoo | mutt |
| 22:58.50 | fozzmoo | mutt is not the fail, if you understand what I'm saying. |
| 22:59.11 | fozzmoo | BUT, mutt is the fail (by itself) if someone sends you HTML-only mail. |
| 22:59.24 | keldwud | oh I hate html only email |
| 22:59.26 | fozzmoo | There are remedies for that. |
| 22:59.48 | keldwud | but that isn't fail because you dont want html only mail anyway and anybody sending you HTML only mail is teh fail for sending it :) |
| 22:59.53 | keldwud | so it's more like a feature |
| 23:01.12 | Supaplex | I like that argument :) |
| 23:01.33 | keldwud | that not reading HTML only mail is a feature? :) |
| 23:03.04 | Supaplex | yup |
| 23:03.22 | rsimpkins | Tadaka: Sorry about that date mistake. I was going too fast. :) |
| 23:04.10 | Tadaka | rsimpkins: no worries. it just caught my attention when I got the email. |
| 23:06.08 | rsimpkins | I ended up with the mistake everywhere. site, PLUG, SLLUG. |
| 23:06.17 | rsimpkins | Had to go back and re-post. hehe |
| 23:06.48 | rsimpkins | The next few months I think will be really important for PLUG. |
| 23:09.16 | Tadaka | why is that? |
| 23:10.31 | rsimpkins | Well, we are having companies spend a lot of money sending us presenters. |
| 23:10.41 | rsimpkins | IBM and MySQL are flying their presenters in. |
| 23:10.57 | Tadaka | nice |
| 23:10.59 | rsimpkins | Also, we've got some larger VARs sponsoring these events as well. |
| 23:11.41 | rsimpkins | In other words - I've sold PLUG has a professional Linux group to these companies - now we'll see if the professionals actually show up, because that's who this is for. |
| 23:12.07 | rsimpkins | It will be lame if all of this effort results in a small group showing up. |
| 23:12.33 | rsimpkins | I figure- what can it hurt. You know? |
| 23:12.47 | rsimpkins | If we get the crowds, then the next top-level presenter is easier to find. |
| 23:13.16 | Tadaka | hoping to make this one. the last one I tried to go to had that bad snowstorm |
| 23:13.28 | rsimpkins | Yeah, I know. We still had 10 people show up for that. |
| 23:13.29 | Tadaka | bit of a drive for me |
| 23:13.31 | rsimpkins | I was surprised. |
| 23:14.12 | Supaplex | Tadaka: are you in Provo? What's the P in PLUG stand for? :P |
| 23:14.23 | Tadaka | nope, in Layton |
| 23:14.31 | Supaplex | sunset here :) |
| 23:14.32 | rsimpkins | Supaplex: P stands for Paaa-chowww! |
| 23:14.42 | Tadaka | but I don't know of LLUG ;-) |
| 23:15.17 | Tadaka | and PLUG has some cool stuff going on |
| 23:15.23 | rsimpkins | PLUG == Paaa-chowww Linux Uber Groupies |
| 23:15.34 | Tene | rsimpkins: perhaps you should put it in the channel topic. |
| 23:15.58 | rsimpkins | Who reads the IRC topic any how? |
| 23:16.05 | findlay | the p stands for paarlemoervlinders |
| 23:17.21 | Tene | I do. |
| 23:17.21 | rsimpkins | sjansen is about the only one. ;) |
| 23:17.22 | *** topic/#utah by findlay -> - The Windows IRC Channel | http://plug.org/irc | Channel log @ http://ibot.rikers.org/%23utah/ | UTOSC 2008 Call for Papers @ http://2008.utosc.com | gullible |
| 23:18.24 | keldwud | hmm, I can either click on the link, or I can ask in here what the date for the event is and where |
| 23:18.46 | rsimpkins | keldwud: april 9th, 7:30pm, Omniture |
| 23:19.23 | keldwud | thanks |
| 23:20.31 | Tene | http://enlightenment.org/p.php?p=news/show&l=en&news_id=2 -- one of the enlightenment libraries has an alpha release. |
| 23:21.02 | rsimpkins | Does anyone know someone who is doing anything with lasers and open source? |
| 23:21.12 | rsimpkins | We gotta have a PLUG with lasers. |
| 23:21.18 | keldwud | wait, you're not talking about omniture summit right? |
| 23:21.29 | rsimpkins | keldwud: no, this is the provo linux users group meeting. |
| 23:21.35 | rsimpkins | keldwud: Omniture sponsors/hosts PLUG. |
| 23:21.41 | keldwud | ahh. |
| 23:21.49 | keldwud | damn, well who is going from slc? |
| 23:22.04 | rsimpkins | Post to SLLUG - I bet you might find a few driving down. |
| 23:22.17 | rsimpkins | We usually get 4-6 people from the Salt Lake area at the meetings. |
| 23:22.28 | keldwud | shoot, I think I still receive emails in my UVSC account from Plug |
| 23:24.16 | keldwud | oh nice, HP is there eh? |
| 23:24.57 | rsimpkins | Yes. I think it is notable that Forsythe is sponsoring this. They wouldn't go to the trouble just for the fun of it. They see real value in presenting. |
| 23:25.10 | keldwud | oh yeah. |
| 23:25.12 | rsimpkins | Or sponsoring, rather. |
| 23:25.25 | keldwud | they recognize the importance of the developer community in utah |
| 23:25.46 | keldwud | utah has always had killer contributions to modern tech |
| 23:26.09 | rsimpkins | what they are seeing is that more often that not technologie decisions are made from the bottom up, or there is at least an 'in the trenches' piece of every deal they do. |
| 23:26.17 | keldwud | too bad SCO gave things a bad name for a bit |
| 23:26.24 | nick125 | I'm debating between using a LDAP GroupOfNames or a custom schema + dyngroup...any comments? |
| 23:26.43 | rsimpkins | keldwud: I think the problem isn't SCO, the problem is all the MLMs we have here. That's why we have the rep we do. |
| 23:28.59 | keldwud | haha oh yeah |
| 23:29.12 | keldwud | and all the real estate con artists too |
| 23:32.08 | keldwud | "Next Meeting |
| 23:32.08 | keldwud | For our Feb 20, 2008 meeting Brad Midgley will be talking about Linux handheld devices" |
| 23:32.10 | keldwud | haha |
| 23:32.14 | keldwud | wow |
| 23:33.55 | findlay | haha @ MLM's |
| 23:34.01 | findlay | they always get me |
| 23:34.19 | keldwud | we have both the juice MLM's dont we? |
| 23:34.30 | keldwud | Xango, *and* umm shoot what was the other one? |
| 23:34.52 | findlay | there's lots of them |
| 23:34.54 | keldwud | oh and Usana is pretty big in utah as well |
| 23:35.00 | findlay | I just keep my distance |
| 23:35.11 | keldwud | when I was driving a cab I just hated the MLM conventions |
| 23:35.16 | findlay | and point and laugh |
| 23:35.26 | findlay | probably shouldn't laugh |
| 23:35.27 | keldwud | you can imagine how many times I would get hit up in a weekend and how many cards |
| 23:35.34 | findlay | keldwud: haha |
| 23:35.37 | keldwud | oh yeah |
| 23:35.48 | findlay | just take their samples and run :) |
| 23:36.05 | keldwud | by the end of the first day of the convention I start setting them straight before they even open their mouths |
| 23:37.15 | keldwud | "now before you say anything or get in my car, I want you to stop and think to yourself about how many other convention go-ers I have given rides to already and think about how many times I have heard the spiel. if you feel you can talk to me about normal things then go ahead and get in my car, if not, then maybe you should either get a life, or find a different cab" |
| 23:37.16 | keldwud | ;) |
| 23:37.32 | findlay | heh |
| 23:37.49 | keldwud | yeah. that sobers up their "juice" buzz pretty quickly :) |
| 23:37.59 | keldwud | isn't that the buzz word these days? Juice? |
| 23:38.09 | findlay | JUICE! |
| 23:38.11 | keldwud | haha |
| 23:38.27 | findlay | I got a coconut yesterday, it had water in it |
| 23:38.56 | findlay | except the water smelled like coconut |
| 23:39.45 | findlay | there's mystical cosmic energy in coconut water |
| 23:40.34 | keldwud | hahaha |
| 23:40.46 | keldwud | oh yeah, that's exactly how they sound too :) |
| 23:43.43 | findlay | according to M theory the extra 9 dimensions are tightly curled into small multidimensional manifolds and coconuts have harnessed this extra payload of energy |
| 23:43.47 | Supaplex | well duh. fish made love in the water the coconut tree received |
| 23:44.14 | keldwud | oh man this teleportitis is getting annoying! |
| 23:44.55 | keldwud | can somebody PLEASE give me a ring of teleport control? :) |
| 23:45.12 | Supaplex | levels? |
| 23:45.23 | keldwud | haha no. |
| 23:45.26 | keldwud | nethack |
| 23:45.47 | findlay | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_%28mathematics%29 |
| 23:46.14 | keldwud | haha |
| 23:46.51 | findlay | that's the only ring I know |
| 23:47.05 | keldwud | what about the one to bind them all? |
| 23:47.07 | findlay | silly girls never know what they're talking about |
| 23:47.15 | keldwud | girls? where? |
| 23:47.19 | findlay | oh, well, there's that one too |
| 23:47.34 | findlay | over there ---> |
| 23:47.44 | keldwud | oh you mean dataw0lf? ;) |
| 23:47.45 | keldwud | hehe |
| 23:47.53 | keldwud | ribs data |
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