| 00:01.45 | findlay | are those even full keyboards? |
| 00:02.38 | elg | yeah, 61 keys |
| 00:02.41 | elg | standard organ size |
| 00:02.57 | findlay | hm |
| 00:03.11 | elg | 25 key pedalboard, instead of 32, but not too far shy. should still be able to play most literature, at least that isn't pedal virtuoso stuff |
| 00:06.40 | findlay | you could put probably fit a dedicated linux synthisizer inside |
| 00:07.55 | findlay | can midi handle the crescendo pedal? |
| 00:08.01 | elg | yeah |
| 00:08.09 | elg | swell pedal probably |
| 00:08.52 | findlay | well, if it's swell, it's likely it doesn't even go through the higer order logic |
| 00:08.59 | findlay | just straight to the amp |
| 00:09.10 | elg | yeah, probably have to wire that up |
| 00:09.39 | findlay | what about all the stop assignments? |
| 00:09.44 | elg | and the stops probably too - i found some guy who used the same model and he described 4 midi channels |
| 00:09.58 | elg | which implies the stops probably aren't sent as midi |
| 00:10.06 | elg | so maybe I get to play EE after all ;-) |
| 00:11.03 | findlay | I can't possibly imagine taking myself seriously depressing lite brite square buttons to set the stops |
| 00:12.43 | elg | well there are multicolored flappers actually |
| 00:12.48 | elg | i think the buttons control other things |
| 00:13.04 | findlay | oh yeah, the stop keys |
| 00:13.09 | findlay | those are even worse |
| 00:13.14 | elg | like the rhythm module, whether you want love boat sounds or ... |
| 00:16.08 | findlay | and the auto accompany |
| 00:16.23 | findlay | so you can play easy one note themes |
| 00:17.07 | findlay | I always liked trying out chromatic things like 12 tone rows or tritones on my grandma's when I was younger |
| 00:18.23 | findlay | see how bad I could make the autoaccompany sound |
| 00:28.21 | encryptz | findlay: keri says you're an amazing organ player |
| 00:29.06 | findlay | heh |
| 00:29.08 | findlay | sure |
| 00:29.18 | encryptz | i've heard you play. i agree |
| 00:29.21 | nick125 | Someone got a bit pissed off about the Creative debacle going on: http://spykes.net/exfi.jpg |
| 00:29.37 | encryptz | she says next time we're together, she wants to hear toccata and fugue |
| 00:31.13 | findlay | it's been a while since I've played that one |
| 00:34.30 | Sargun | nick125, haha |
| 00:35.28 | nick125 | "While I don't condone violence or wasteful destruction, I will debate that it now works just as well in Vista x64 as it did before." |
| 00:36.09 | elg | haha |
| 00:36.15 | elg | sounds like a vista debacle to me |
| 00:36.58 | nick125 | Well, some guy got the card to work in Vista but Creative took him down |
| 00:37.22 | elg | haha nice |
| 00:40.05 | elg | who needs 'em anyway |
| 00:40.21 | Sargun | I wonder how he "hacked" the driver? |
| 00:40.27 | nick125 | who knows |
| 00:40.45 | Sargun | maybe there is something beneath this |
| 00:40.53 | Sargun | maybe he was circumventing the DMCA |
| 00:41.04 | Sargun | or he was manipulating the software to create a Trojan |
| 00:42.41 | elg | of course he was circumventing the DMCA. he was using a soundcard, for crying out loud |
| 00:44.15 | Sargun | haha |
| 00:44.24 | Sargun | or creating support problems |
| 00:44.33 | Sargun | If I was creative, I would have hired him |
| 00:45.15 | elg | if i was creative, i'd be a composer |
| 00:46.05 | Sargun | ~lart elg |
| 00:46.05 | ibot | judo chops elg |
| 00:46.29 | herlo | haaha |
| 00:52.23 | Sargun | ~lart Heartsbane |
| 00:52.23 | ibot | keeps mailing Heartsbane free America Online CDs until he drowns |
| 00:52.24 | Sargun | ~lart herlo |
| 00:52.24 | ibot | beats herlo senseless with a 50lb Unix manual |
| 00:53.59 | elg | findlay: of course an analog thing like the swell pedal would be discretized in midi |
| 01:03.30 | herlo | thats not a word, discreditized |
| 01:04.08 | herlo | silly findlay big word are for adults :) |
| 01:04.27 | herlo | s/ord/ords/ |
| 01:09.49 | vontrapp | elg: wouldn't that mean that there's a low demand? if only people who are crazy and have good eyesight want them? |
| 01:15.15 | vontrapp | any guesses on how much it might cost to have HP service fix/replace my laptop hinges? |
| 01:16.37 | levi | vontrapp: Way too much? |
| 01:17.04 | herlo | guesses $3 |
| 01:17.34 | vontrapp | jbweld didn't hold :( |
| 01:18.46 | levi | I thought jbweld would hold anything! |
| 01:19.50 | vontrapp | well there's extreme torque on those darn hinges |
| 01:20.23 | herlo | okay: $4.50 |
| 01:20.30 | levi | I guess hinges have different kinds of forces acting on them than engine blocks. |
| 01:21.20 | levi | munches on some peppermint bark. |
| 01:22.37 | herlo | final offer: $7 and i will throw in a half-eaten glazed donut from krispy kreme... |
| 01:23.18 | levi | Ew. |
| 01:23.36 | herlo | :) |
| 01:36.06 | elg | vontrapp: right. low demand. higher price |
| 01:38.22 | vontrapp | bah, my $280 screen i was looking at on newegg dissappeared |
| 01:38.37 | levi | So, Ghirardelli peppermint bark is pretty good. |
| 01:40.26 | *** join/#utah ccjoe (n=ccjoe@75-169-37-101.slkc.qwest.net) |
| 01:42.33 | levi | This is kind of freaky: http://cubo.cc/ |
| 01:44.31 | elg | too bad the mouth is all wrong |
| 01:44.43 | levi | And her eyes are all bloodshot. |
| 01:45.11 | elg | yours would be too if you had been following a mouse pointer around all day |
| 01:45.43 | levi | I think she's on drugs. |
| 01:45.59 | elg | i'm sure she's had a good hit of internet |
| 01:47.03 | vontrapp | the mouth is only wrong when it opens |
| 01:50.28 | levi | I'm now munching on a dark chocolate bar from Chocolatier Blue. |
| 02:04.03 | levi | It is yummy. |
| 02:04.23 | elg | ~whack levi |
| 02:04.23 | ibot | ACTION whacks levi upside the head. |
| 02:08.25 | elg | gnucash never ceases to amaze me, in how ridiculous its dependency soup is |
| 02:09.05 | elg | accounting: knowing which numbers to add and subtract |
| 02:09.14 | elg | gnucash does an astounding job at complicating that |
| 02:09.38 | elg | watches everything gnome under the sun build |
| 02:09.40 | elg | nautilus... |
| 02:10.04 | elg | it even wanted to build some qt-based helper applicaton, but I was able to disable that |
| 02:11.58 | elg | fortran |
| 02:12.37 | fozzmoo | Is gnucash the emacs of financial management? |
| 02:12.47 | elg | no |
| 02:12.57 | elg | the actual application is fairly mundane |
| 02:13.08 | elg | it does the job, but I'm constantly wishing it had more useful reports |
| 02:13.11 | fozzmoo | Why all the dependencies? |
| 02:13.27 | elg | technically you can write your own reports, and in that sense it's like emacs because you do it in guile |
| 02:13.56 | elg | which, like emacs, means only crazy lispers do it so the reports that get written are crazy lisper reports. ;-) |
| 02:13.58 | elg | duck |
| 02:14.04 | fozzmoo | heh. |
| 02:14.14 | elg | i really have no idea why the dependency soup |
| 02:14.30 | elg | gnucash converted me to debian |
| 02:14.35 | elg | once upon a time I used redhat |
| 02:14.38 | elg | then I tried to install gnucash |
| 02:14.39 | fozzmoo | no! |
| 02:14.45 | fozzmoo | oh. |
| 02:15.12 | elg | then coincidentally I came across debian not long later, and just to see if that apt thing was all it was cracked up to be I typed |
| 02:15.14 | elg | apt-get install gnucash |
| 02:15.24 | elg | I still get a warm fuzzy feeling |
| 02:15.48 | fozzmoo | Yeah. yum does all that for us crazy RH/Fedora users now too. ;-) |
| 02:16.00 | fozzmoo | SNOW TOTALS OF 2 TO 8 INCHES ARE EXPECTED BY MONDAY MORNING. THE GREATEST TOTALS WILL BE IN THE UTAH AND SANPETE VALLEYS AND ALONG THE BENCH AREAS OF THE SALT LAKE AND TOOELE VALLEYS. |
| 02:16.20 | elg | ~weather klru |
| 02:17.14 | fozzmoo | ~weather KSLC |
| 02:17.29 | keldwud | apt-get is full of win |
| 02:17.30 | fozzmoo | Hmmm. 73... 37... weird. |
| 02:17.49 | elg | conspiracy! |
| 02:19.08 | tristanbob__ | does comcast business cable provide static IP? |
| 02:19.20 | fozzmoo | tristanbob__: Yes. |
| 02:19.32 | vontrapp | keldwud: and then some |
| 02:19.42 | fozzmoo | Or, it can be had for +$5/mo |
| 02:19.56 | fozzmoo | We have DSL + Comcast at the office. |
| 02:20.09 | keldwud | I really like the synaptic front end for apt-get |
| 02:20.10 | fozzmoo | But I don't know if we pay extra for the static IP or not. |
| 02:28.04 | tristanbob__ | fozzmoo, neat - how do you take advantage of both ISP connections? |
| 02:28.35 | levi | keldwud: aptitude is the new winningness. |
| 02:28.36 | fozzmoo | In our case, our Asterisk box uses the Comcast connection and our Internet gateway uses the DSL connection. |
| 02:28.56 | keldwud | googles aptitude |
| 02:29.09 | fozzmoo | We have a client in Logan, however, with two DSL connections going into one Linux box and we're using iproute2 to use both DSL connections. |
| 02:29.23 | levi | It's a new(ish) all-in-one apt-tool with improved conflict resolution. |
| 02:30.34 | keldwud | levi: how does it differ from synaptic? |
| 02:30.42 | levi | It's a command-line tool. |
| 02:30.46 | tristanbob__ | fozzmoo, that's one way to guarantee bandwidth for voip! what voip provider do you use? |
| 02:31.02 | keldwud | any reason that I would want to use it instead of synaptic? |
| 02:31.06 | fozzmoo | I think we're using Eschelon. |
| 02:31.58 | levi | keldwud: Sometimes it's quicker to dash off a command line than it is to fiddle with menus. |
| 02:32.13 | levi | elg: I gave you your first hit of Debian, didn't I? |
| 02:32.28 | elg | yes, now that I think back on it |
| 02:32.33 | elg | you handed me a debian cd in class |
| 02:32.37 | keldwud | I may try it, how big is it? |
| 02:32.52 | fozzmoo | "Take this. It will change your world." |
| 02:32.54 | elg | a little while later, redhat failed to install on a server I was charged with getting up and running, and I had debian in my backpack |
| 02:32.56 | levi | keldwud: Um, I have no idea. Is it not currently installed? |
| 02:33.10 | keldwud | didn't check, one sec |
| 02:33.18 | elg | aptitude is also an ncurses program |
| 02:33.29 | elg | whether you use it as cli or ncurses, it is handy over ssh |
| 02:33.29 | keldwud | oh well there it is |
| 02:33.29 | fozzmoo | Go ncurses, go! |
| 02:33.58 | levi | elg: Oh, so it is. I almost never use it that way. :) |
| 02:34.37 | keldwud | elg: yeah I still dont know anything about ncurses yet |
| 02:34.51 | levi | The ncurses interface is a replacement for dselect. Be happy you don't have to use that. |
| 02:35.25 | fozzmoo | I remember the first time I tried to install Debian and I was faced with dselect. |
| 02:35.38 | fozzmoo | I was like, "Wha the?! Why do people like this distribution?!" |
| 02:35.42 | Supaplex | oh yeah. that was different. |
| 02:36.07 | levi | I actually loved dselect, but at the time it was actually an improvement over alternatives. |
| 02:36.15 | keldwud | my EEE PC is what turned me onto debian |
| 02:36.51 | keldwud | it runs an Asus modified version of xandros |
| 02:36.53 | fozzmoo | I'm hoping to get an EEE PC this next month. |
| 02:36.59 | levi | Debian is awesome. Its name was sullied for a while due to the fact that it wasn't terribly friendly to newcomers. |
| 02:37.03 | keldwud | I just sold my 2G Surf |
| 02:37.11 | keldwud | I should have came here to see if anybody wanted it |
| 02:37.16 | fozzmoo | I was hoping to get a 4G or 8G |
| 02:37.22 | keldwud | yeah I'm on the 4G now |
| 02:37.28 | Supaplex | surf? |
| 02:37.31 | keldwud | 8G is not economical to buy really |
| 02:37.34 | keldwud | non-surf |
| 02:37.37 | fozzmoo | Kind of excited, tho, for the 9-inchers coming out. |
| 02:37.50 | keldwud | the 8G only has more sdd space |
| 02:37.59 | keldwud | compared with the 4G |
| 02:38.06 | keldwud | and it is like 100 more |
| 02:38.14 | keldwud | oh and it comes with a GB of ram |
| 02:38.18 | keldwud | instead of the 512 |
| 02:38.25 | fozzmoo | Probably a lot cheaper to buy a USB stick. |
| 02:38.31 | keldwud | but I paid 20 bux for my current gig |
| 02:38.43 | keldwud | yeah stick with the 4G, and save some money |
| 02:38.51 | levi | That was pretty clever of them. Make a really cheap, tiny, underpowered laptop and everyone thinks it's awesome. Then sell more expensive and someone less underpowered versions based on the hype. |
| 02:38.52 | keldwud | no need to have 8G onboard. |
| 02:39.04 | levi | s/someone/somewhat/ |
| 02:39.05 | keldwud | levi: haha |
| 02:39.15 | keldwud | what's underpowered about it? |
| 02:39.20 | keldwud | and how is it not awesome? |
| 02:39.42 | keldwud | the 2G Surf suited me just fine |
| 02:39.59 | keldwud | but I wanted a webcam and a better battery |
| 02:40.30 | keldwud | I have yet to have a need for processing power beyond 600mhz. to me that is sccreaming fast |
| 02:40.45 | levi | Well, if you'd bought the Wal-Mart special 12" laptop for $600 that's faster than it, has more screen, and a hard drive, you probably wouldn't have been impressed. |
| 02:41.00 | keldwud | didn't want a 12" screen |
| 02:41.01 | keldwud | too big |
| 02:41.10 | keldwud | and what do I want a hdd for? |
| 02:41.17 | keldwud | and 600 bux is 200 too much |
| 02:41.42 | levi | That's not my point. |
| 02:42.47 | levi | The laptop in question is way faster than the EePC, and I imagine that if I bought one and tried to show it off, I'd be mocked. |
| 02:43.48 | keldwud | I get a bunch of slack from some co-workers over my machine too. They ask me why don't I get a "real" computer, as if this is fake or something. ;) I don't understand why you have to drive a ferarri or a hummer to be treated normally. |
| 02:43.52 | levi | Yes, the EePC wins on size, but it's also way slow compared to regular laptops. And the newer models are getting bigger and more expensive. |
| 02:44.28 | levi | Anyway, there's nothing wrong with the EePC. I'm sure it's plenty fast for what it's designed to do. |
| 02:44.40 | nick125 | I find my eee fast enough for what I need to do. |
| 02:44.41 | levi | The Asus guys are just clever marketers. |
| 02:45.29 | keldwud | So maybe it is just the marketing that is making people buy it? I heard that about the Wii too. I was told that Nintendo was just clever at marketing and that it has nothing to do with the product. |
| 02:45.51 | keldwud | As if we were all mindless and just make purchases based on clever marketing strategies. |
| 02:45.59 | levi | Dude, you keep twisting my words. |
| 02:46.04 | keldwud | sorry :) |
| 02:46.14 | keldwud | I think I still have some pent up aggression from somewhere |
| 02:46.20 | levi | Well-marketed products that really suck don't do well. |
| 02:46.54 | levi | And lots of nice products that aren't well-marketed die. |
| 02:47.15 | keldwud | I get overly defensive about my choice of hardware and sofware a lot because I'm not mainstream and it makes me touchy about it :) |
| 02:47.58 | keldwud | you mean like the saturn and the dreamcast? |
| 02:48.12 | keldwud | those are some good examples of nice products. |
| 02:48.34 | levi | Yeah, possibly like those. |
| 02:50.06 | levi | Anyway, I would find use for an EeePC if someone gave me one, but I feel cramped enough on a 12" screen that I wouldn't buy one. |
| 02:51.07 | keldwud | I depend on tabbed windows and full screen a lot on it, and my typing has taken a hit in speed. But other than that I love it. |
| 02:51.10 | levi | And lately I use multiple OSes frequently with vmware and do a lot of compiling with compilers that are not exactly speedy, so my main mobile machine needs to be reasonably beefy. |
| 02:51.36 | levi | I've got a Sony Vaio Picturebook, so I got pretty good at typing on small keyboards. |
| 02:51.42 | keldwud | Yeah if you're compiling you definitely would want some higher bus speeds and more processing power |
| 02:53.03 | levi | It's probably about the speed of an EeePC, maybe a little slower. It's hard to say for sure. It's too slow and cramped for me to use, though, so it's now my Asterisk server. |
| 02:53.04 | findlay | keldwud: I get asked if my epc is 'real' too |
| 02:53.08 | findlay | all the time |
| 02:53.19 | findlay | is a little weary of it, actually |
| 02:54.17 | keldwud | findlay: yeah it gets annoying doesn't it? |
| 02:54.25 | levi | My picturebook definitely isn't real. ;) |
| 02:54.34 | levi | Got a funky transmeta CPU in it. |
| 02:54.43 | keldwud | if you drive a geo 3 cylinder nobody says "well gee, why dont you get a 'real' car?" |
| 02:54.54 | levi | keldwud: Um, yeah, they do. :) |
| 02:55.08 | keldwud | oh, heh. well there goes *my* argument. |
| 02:55.17 | findlay | ~mock levi for having an overpowered computer: "dude, stop raping the planet!" |
| 02:55.17 | ibot | ACTION pulls levi for having an overpowered computer: "dude, stop raping the planet!"'s pants down and shows the world levi for having an overpowered computer: "dude, stop raping the planet!"'s pink spotted underwear |
| 02:55.36 | keldwud | oh that made me chuckle findlay |
| 02:55.42 | levi | Yeah, my iBook G4 and T41p are so overpowered. :) |
| 02:55.56 | keldwud | it's only overpowered if you don't utilize it's full potential. |
| 02:57.03 | findlay | figuratively sits back in his darkened Starbuks alcove with his supa chocka mocha flocha cappuchino and drinks to his post-hippie smugness |
| 02:57.44 | levi | And he doesn't even know how to spell Starbuck's. :) |
| 02:58.05 | findlay | I think the governemt should research a computer needle that will suck resources out of your computer if you don't use them |
| 02:58.13 | findlay | and give them to the poor! |
| 02:58.16 | keldwud | haha |
| 02:58.27 | keldwud | hey is there a linux distro for supaplex? |
| 02:58.52 | levi | Debian |
| 02:59.01 | levi | It's the linux distro for everyone. |
| 02:59.02 | keldwud | I looked and didn't find it |
| 02:59.08 | findlay | ~debian Supaplex |
| 02:59.09 | ibot | ACTION tells Supaplex to RTFM!!!! GAH!!! HELL FIRE AND BRIMSTONE!!!! BURN!!! DIE!!! MWAHAHAHAHA!!!! |
| 02:59.13 | levi | Except those that use Ubuntu. |
| 02:59.19 | findlay | ~ubuntu Supaplex |
| 02:59.20 | ibot | ACTION lovingly explains to Supaplex in a way that causes Supaplex to weep with gratitude that Supaplex must read the fine, friendly manual |
| 02:59.36 | levi | The Gentoo, Fedora, and SUSE guys are just kidding themselves. |
| 02:59.36 | Supaplex | hah |
| 02:59.43 | keldwud | heh. |
| 02:59.55 | Supaplex | ~poke /proc/self |
| 02:59.56 | ibot | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind /proc/self, pokes /proc/self repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 03:00.01 | findlay | keldwud: I've been using eeeos on mine for the past few weeks |
| 03:00.05 | keldwud | well I looked in my current repositories and didn't find it. |
| 03:00.06 | findlay | it's vanilla debian |
| 03:00.18 | findlay | so the repos aren't sterilized by the asus gatekeepers |
| 03:00.24 | keldwud | findlay: eeeos is still alpha isn't it? |
| 03:00.30 | findlay | don't know |
| 03:00.33 | findlay | it runs great |
| 03:00.51 | keldwud | I found a great way to work my distros on the EEE without borking my o/s |
| 03:01.00 | findlay | spray some carb and choke cleaner in the throttle body every 5,000 miles |
| 03:01.28 | keldwud | is it called supaplex? or something else in the distros? |
| 03:01.58 | findlay | http://eeeos.interactivelaboratories.com/ |
| 03:03.03 | keldwud | I added a couple of xandros repositories and the debian repositories, then pinned it so that it would use asus, xandros, debian in that order |
| 03:03.32 | keldwud | I actually use the Asus Launcher and like it. |
| 03:03.51 | keldwud | well, after I modified it. :) |
| 03:04.07 | keldwud | I was interested in eeeos though. *looks* |
| 03:05.11 | keldwud | yeah the EEE OS would have been perfect on the 2G surf. reclaim most of the sdd space back. |
| 03:05.27 | keldwud | I mean ssd |
| 03:06.54 | keldwud | damn, well can anybody give me a repository that contains supaplex? I want it on my machine |
| 03:08.02 | levi | What is this supaplex package you speak of? |
| 03:08.19 | keldwud | it's a game, I thought. |
| 03:08.26 | Supaplex | yup |
| 03:08.39 | Supaplex | the only package I know that resembles it, is rocks and diamonds. |
| 03:08.52 | Supaplex | apparently with supaplex levels and skins |
| 03:08.58 | keldwud | oh, so it's not available on *nix then. |
| 03:09.00 | Supaplex | skins/tiles/etc |
| 03:09.16 | Supaplex | well, the origional game for msdos isn't ported, that's for sure |
| 03:09.25 | keldwud | Supaplex: seeing your nick made me want to download it |
| 03:09.26 | Supaplex | there's a few remakes of it |
| 03:09.34 | keldwud | oh yeah, I forgot I could just dosbox it. |
| 03:09.40 | Supaplex | just google it. there's more there than you think |
| 03:10.18 | keldwud | well my initial 2 minutes in google didn't net me a linux version:) |
| 03:10.33 | keldwud | but I can just dosbox it instead. |
| 03:10.50 | elg | digger and liero ftw |
| 03:11.00 | keldwud | findlay: did you install dosbox on the default o/s before moving to eee o/s? |
| 03:11.06 | Supaplex | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocks'n'Diamonds |
| 03:12.09 | Supaplex | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Rocks-and-diamonds_games humm didn't know this was around... neat |
| 03:12.56 | keldwud | haha |
| 03:13.49 | elg | fozzmoo: looks like most of the dependency soup comes from it depending on evince |
| 03:14.31 | keldwud | I was contemplating evince |
| 03:15.35 | keldwud | doh. every time I type apt-get I am so excited to install a program that I forget to type install and then I always forget to sudo as well. I end up with a screen of about 3 or 4 errors before finally typing it in correctly. |
| 03:16.46 | levi | Consider aptitude install instead of apt-get install. It won't solve that problem, but it handles dependencies better. |
| 03:17.36 | keldwud | I took an initial poke around when you mentioned it earlier, I will have to rtfm a bit to get used to navigating through it. |
| 03:18.01 | elg | the idea is that you can just use it as a drop-in replacement for apt-get |
| 03:18.05 | levi | If you use 'aptitude install <name>' on the command line, there's no navigation, it just works like 'apt-get install <name>' |
| 03:18.09 | keldwud | so far I have just stuck to installing basic packages. |
| 03:18.16 | elg | except that you can just run it without arguments and get the awesome curses interface |
| 03:18.17 | keldwud | oh really? |
| 03:18.30 | levi | You can also do 'aptitude search <string>' |
| 03:18.47 | keldwud | hmm, well I should have tried that with my dosbox |
| 03:18.49 | levi | Which replaces the possibly difficult to remember 'apt-cache' |
| 03:19.56 | keldwud | hey if I 'aptitude uninstall dosbox' will it remove the two libs that were installed as dependencies for it? |
| 03:20.13 | keldwud | because it is the only program depending on it. |
| 03:20.18 | keldwud | I mean on them. |
| 03:20.30 | levi | I don't remember if it does that. |
| 03:21.36 | keldwud | tests something |
| 03:21.43 | keldwud | because it is the only program depending on it. |
| 03:21.47 | keldwud | i/it/them |
| 03:21.59 | keldwud | s/it/them |
| 03:22.03 | keldwud | because it is the only program depending on it. |
| 03:22.06 | keldwud | s/it/them |
| 03:22.15 | keldwud | okay what am I doing wrong here? |
| 03:23.06 | levi | You can use deborphan to find orphaned packages. |
| 03:23.26 | levi | s/can/should/ |
| 03:23.45 | keldwud | oh I forgot the trailing slash |
| 03:24.03 | keldwud | s/slash/forward-slash/ |
| 03:24.12 | levi | Hrm, now to remember how to make a new Monad. |
| 03:24.27 | keldwud | deborphan, got it. thx |
| 03:24.53 | keldwud | command not found |
| 03:25.01 | keldwud | now I can try my aptitude install |
| 03:25.22 | keldwud | shit, I keep forgetting sudo. |
| 03:26.52 | keldwud | is it the | remove | option that I want to use to get rid of something? in aptitude. |
| 03:27.12 | keldwud | and what's the diff between remove and purge? |
| 03:32.56 | findlay | keldwud: no |
| 03:33.31 | keldwud | findlay: yeah I was just reading up on i |
| 03:33.38 | keldwud | s/i/it |
| 03:33.49 | *** join/#utah tristanbob__ (n=tristanb@c-98-202-37-242.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 03:33.51 | keldwud | doh, forgot trailing slash |
| 03:35.49 | findlay | apt-get autoremove will remove unneeded packages |
| 03:36.25 | keldwud | findlay: that's what I was just reading actually :) |
| 03:36.44 | findlay | keldwud: why would I install dosbox? |
| 03:36.47 | keldwud | I just tried it in my command prompt but it didn't work |
| 03:36.57 | keldwud | findlay: to play certain games? |
| 03:37.35 | keldwud | I just assume that most people install dosbox in order to access certain games or emulators that are not available in linux. |
| 03:37.44 | findlay | well, dosbox is every kid-who-grew-up-in-the-80s-or-90s secret nostalgic indulgence |
| 03:38.02 | keldwud | hehe |
| 03:38.30 | findlay | I play dosbox games that probably aren't that fun but they were to me back then |
| 03:38.38 | findlay | not regularly, though |
| 03:38.45 | keldwud | E: Invalid operation autoremove |
| 03:39.32 | findlay | and you did `apt-get autoremove`? |
| 03:40.10 | vontrapp | crazy oatmeal cookie recipe called for 1/2 the butter it should have |
| 03:40.26 | findlay | here's a debian question, how do I change the default locale? |
| 03:40.28 | keldwud | sudo apt-get autoremove |
| 03:40.38 | keldwud | I think you have to do autoremove with a package |
| 03:41.04 | findlay | gnome-terminal keeps coming up with ANSI_X3.4-1968 whatever that is |
| 03:41.07 | keldwud | and *then* it uninstalls dependencies that are not being used by other packages |
| 03:41.41 | findlay | keldwud: maybe asus OS has an inferior version of apt, because I can do it just fine |
| 03:42.08 | keldwud | hmm |
| 03:42.13 | keldwud | I think so too. |
| 03:42.31 | keldwud | lam |
| 03:42.37 | keldwud | s/lam/lame |
| 03:42.40 | keldwud | dammit |
| 03:42.50 | keldwud | s/lam/lame/ |
| 03:44.23 | findlay | well |
| 03:44.32 | findlay | what am I going to do tonight? |
| 03:45.43 | keldwud | there's comedy over at mo's neighborhood bar and grill |
| 03:45.55 | keldwud | and 6 bux for 10 wings and a pizza |
| 03:46.07 | keldwud | starts in about 15 minutes |
| 03:46.12 | keldwud | stand-up. raunchy, |
| 03:46.12 | findlay | where's that? |
| 03:46.28 | keldwud | west temple and about 360s |
| 03:46.40 | keldwud | across the street from port'o'call |
| 03:46.52 | keldwud | I go about every other week or so. |
| 03:46.55 | findlay | is that like ranchy, but where the dressing went bad having sat in an artifically humid smoke-filled basement bar for 5 hours? |
| 03:47.00 | keldwud | the comics are pretty funny. |
| 03:47.13 | keldwud | haha. no. it's not like monks. |
| 03:47.19 | keldwud | and it is non-smoking inside |
| 03:47.34 | keldwud | but they have a patio for those who want to drink *and* smoke at the same time |
| 03:47.50 | keldwud | it's all ages, they have a restaraunt liquor license |
| 03:47.53 | findlay | oh, you live in downtown SLC? And your still alive? |
| 03:48.17 | findlay | do you have to carry a semi automatic around |
| 03:48.18 | findlay | ? |
| 03:48.27 | keldwud | the humor is raunchy. and can be offensive depending on your sensitivity. |
| 03:48.37 | keldwud | what? this isn't Iraq. |
| 03:48.41 | keldwud | no warzone here. |
| 03:48.52 | keldwud | and what are you talking about anyway? |
| 03:49.00 | findlay | I have a cut on my thumb and it's quite sensitive to touch, do you think I should be concerned? |
| 03:49.17 | levi | Pardon findlay, he's led a sheltered life. ;) |
| 03:49.19 | findlay | (that's my current state of sensitivity) |
| 03:49.21 | keldwud | nah, the comedians wont be touching you :) |
| 03:49.32 | keldwud | levi: ahh, he must be in utah county |
| 03:49.40 | keldwud | or maybe even worse :) |
| 03:49.40 | findlay | how'd you know? :) |
| 03:49.58 | keldwud | because people from utah county who have never been to salt lake act like it is crime ridden |
| 03:50.40 | keldwud | and because I grew up in p.g. |
| 03:50.40 | findlay | keldwud: when my parents moved to SL county people told my dad we'd all grow up gang bandits and drug users :) |
| 03:50.52 | levi | I'm in Utah County too, but only because I never took advantage of proximity to SLC once I got married and had kids, and houses are cheaper here. ;) |
| 03:51.23 | keldwud | levi: I beg to differ about the cost of living between utah and salt lake counties |
| 03:51.29 | vontrapp | plans to vacate utah all together |
| 03:51.57 | levi | keldwud: Well, I couldn't talk my wife into the less-expensive parts of salt lake county. |
| 03:51.59 | findlay | diff levi keldwud |
| 03:52.08 | vontrapp | colorado, maby ca... idaho (not) |
| 03:52.09 | keldwud | findlay: yeah it's crazy how people's imaginations create such lucid boogeymen when they have not experienced something first hand. |
| 03:52.16 | findlay | heh |
| 03:52.30 | keldwud | levi: because she thought they were "unsafe" wasn't it? |
| 03:52.40 | vontrapp | maybe even new mexico |
| 03:52.42 | levi | We moved from Sandy, which is definitely more expensive. |
| 03:52.49 | keldwud | oh sandy is awful. |
| 03:52.53 | vontrapp | i think i'd be ahard pressed to get my wife to agree to that one |
| 03:52.57 | nick125 | vontrapp: Then you can say hi to you! |
| 03:52.58 | nick125 | me |
| 03:53.00 | nick125 | blah |
| 03:53.09 | keldwud | vontrapp: she's not fond of new mexico eh? |
| 03:53.10 | vontrapp | nick125: i always say hi to me :/ |
| 03:53.19 | vontrapp | not fond of deserts |
| 03:53.21 | findlay | vontrapp: in the meantime I'll hail at you for nick125 |
| 03:53.27 | nick125 | vontrapp: If you moved to NM, you could say hi to me :p |
| 03:53.28 | vontrapp | though there are less deserty places |
| 03:53.47 | vontrapp | s/places/parts/ |
| 03:53.47 | keldwud | I want to see proof of you 'saying hi to me' there vontrapp :) |
| 03:53.50 | levi | keldwud: Well, she just didn't like the idea of living there, or something. She does tend toward irrational fears, though. |
| 03:53.52 | keldwud | ./whois me |
| 03:53.57 | findlay | ~hail vontrapp |
| 03:53.57 | ibot | ACTION bows down to vontrapp and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" |
| 03:54.05 | vontrapp | have to get her out there first, fortunately i have a brother out there we could visit sometime :) |
| 03:54.44 | levi | Now CA is expensive. |
| 03:54.52 | keldwud | findlay: back to your previous query, it's sunday night in utah county. not much to do really |
| 03:54.58 | vontrapp | but wages are higher, too |
| 03:55.16 | levi | vontrapp: Not enough higher to make up for the extra expense. |
| 03:55.18 | findlay | ~hello nick125 |
| 03:55.18 | ibot | ACTION stands up and shouts "HELLO nick125!" |
| 03:55.24 | vontrapp | i feel so bad for all the schmucks who moved from ca to here, spent their savings, and now can't afford to ever go back |
| 03:55.29 | keldwud | do you drink? |
| 03:55.34 | findlay | ~hi Supaplex |
| 03:55.35 | ibot | Many greetings, Supaplex, most strange traveller, to this IRCdom of plenty. |
| 03:55.41 | findlay | sure |
| 03:55.47 | Supaplex | hi... |
| 03:55.52 | findlay | I drink water and juice when it's on sale |
| 03:55.58 | vontrapp | i heard st george is just as expensive as la, talking income/expense ratio wise |
| 03:56.06 | keldwud | I'll take that as a no. |
| 03:56.06 | findlay | most people have to drink or they'll die |
| 03:56.15 | levi | vontrapp: Well, it was, until the housing market there went through the floor. |
| 03:56.20 | keldwud | I think that maybe oz is open on sundays, is it not? |
| 03:56.36 | keldwud | or there's the nickelcade |
| 03:56.51 | levi | I don't have much sympathy for people who got burned on real estate investments, though. |
| 03:56.58 | vontrapp | who wants to go outside? it's so snowy, windy and fridgid out there |
| 03:57.06 | keldwud | it is snowing? |
| 03:57.11 | keldwud | looks out the window |
| 03:57.14 | vontrapp | i would recommend staying in the warm indoors, cuddling with someone |
| 03:57.23 | keldwud | I walked barefoot outside not more than a couple of hours ago |
| 03:57.26 | keldwud | and shirtless too. |
| 03:57.27 | findlay | OZ? That's so last century. All the cool kids watch Wicked these days |
| 03:57.37 | keldwud | oh I meant ozz |
| 03:57.39 | vontrapp | findlay: haha |
| 03:57.41 | levi | It was ~50 degrees F a few hours ago. |
| 03:58.03 | vontrapp | levi: but the wind! the wind! |
| 03:58.03 | findlay | vontrapp: sure, bring up cuddling, just because you have someone to cuddle with |
| 03:58.09 | vontrapp | shivers thinking about it |
| 03:58.17 | keldwud | findlay: http://local.yahoo.com/UT/Provo/Entertainment+Arts/Bars,+Pubs,+Clubs/Billiards |
| 03:58.21 | vontrapp | findlay: :p |
| 03:58.32 | vontrapp | findlay: and hot cookies :) |
| 03:58.33 | levi | vontrapp: I was only outside briefly to tend the grill. I was surprised at how not-too-cold it was. |
| 03:58.45 | findlay | my laptop battery light is going off |
| 03:58.52 | keldwud | plug it in |
| 03:58.56 | findlay | maybe if I stare it down it'll turn off |
| 03:58.59 | vontrapp | i have no reason to see if the weather has changed significantly from 6:00 till now |
| 03:59.03 | findlay | it's just a battle of wills at this point |
| 03:59.09 | levi | I never did make it to Ozz or whatever it's called when I was in Provo. We had a cheap crappy pool table in our living room, though. |
| 03:59.11 | vontrapp | i'll just stay inside, tnx |
| 03:59.46 | vontrapp | made it to ozz once |
| 03:59.54 | vontrapp | wasn't spectacular |
| 04:00.08 | vontrapp | i have a crappy pool table in our clubhouse here though |
| 04:00.09 | keldwud | findlay: not much else to do on a sunday if you dont drink other than ozz and the nickelcade really. |
| 04:00.38 | findlay | I think I'll read some more Austen tonight |
| 04:00.39 | keldwud | especially after 10 |
| 04:00.50 | vontrapp | you can go to a bar and not dring |
| 04:00.57 | levi | findlay likes the girly books and movies. :P |
| 04:00.57 | keldwud | yeah that's true |
| 04:01.03 | findlay | levi: heh |
| 04:01.04 | vontrapp | milk plz |
| 04:01.14 | levi | findlay: You should invite a girl over to watch Pride and Prejudice with you or something. |
| 04:01.19 | vontrapp | findlay: i think i'd rather dring |
| 04:01.22 | vontrapp | *drink |
| 04:01.25 | keldwud | you know, I bet I know some of you in real life. |
| 04:01.49 | vontrapp | findlay: yeah, and that cuddling thing |
| 04:01.57 | findlay | buh |
| 04:02.01 | keldwud | yeah there's plenty of girls over at BYU campus |
| 04:02.05 | findlay | cuddling is for stuffed animals |
| 04:02.07 | keldwud | they love to cuddle |
| 04:02.14 | levi | And the NCMO. ;) |
| 04:02.14 | findlay | and they're all airheads |
| 04:02.22 | keldwud | the girls that is, not the stuffed animals |
| 04:02.26 | findlay | well, lots of them appear to be |
| 04:02.26 | levi | I knew some decidedly non-airhead girls there. |
| 04:02.39 | levi | There was this cute redhead engineering chick. |
| 04:02.42 | keldwud | I know a lawyer girl that started at BYU |
| 04:03.22 | levi | There were plenty of airhead girls there, though. But they can be fun to hang out with. |
| 04:03.33 | keldwud | oh IRC, why oh why do you distract me from Beneath a Steel Sky and Flight of the Amazon Queen and nethack? |
| 04:04.08 | levi | oh IRC, why oh why do you distract me from writing this stupid compiler for my assignment? |
| 04:04.26 | keldwud | heh |
| 04:04.52 | vontrapp | the cookies turned out ok, despite the butter catastrophe and resultant overmixing |
| 04:04.53 | keldwud | hey which is more full of win? igor or supaplex? |
| 04:05.00 | keldwud | or should I just download both? |
| 04:05.01 | findlay | intestinal regurgitation condition? |
| 04:05.11 | nick125 | Oh IRC, why oh why do you distract me from finishing my laundry and work? |
| 04:05.20 | levi | vontrapp: butter catastrophe? |
| 04:05.40 | vontrapp | recipe called for 1/2 the butter it should have |
| 04:05.47 | vontrapp | so i had to mix in extra butter after the fact |
| 04:05.48 | keldwud | should be a ~command for "oh IRC why do you distract me from [variable]" |
| 04:06.20 | vontrapp | ~irc $job is <reply> Oh IRC, why do you distract me so from $job |
| 04:06.20 | ibot | okay, vontrapp |
| 04:06.29 | vontrapp | irc cuddling |
| 04:06.31 | keldwud | hehe yup :) just like that |
| 04:06.33 | vontrapp | ~irc cuddling |
| 04:06.34 | ibot | Oh IRC, why do you distract me so from cuddling |
| 04:06.41 | keldwud | thank you |
| 04:07.08 | keldwud | ~irc eating and sleeping |
| 04:07.09 | ibot | Oh IRC, why do you distract me so from eating and sleeping |
| 04:07.20 | levi | If my wife was home, we could cuddle while watching SG1 episodes. |
| 04:07.40 | vontrapp | i know i'll get flogged for this, but we watch voyager |
| 04:07.50 | keldwud | vontrapp: I at first thought that you were *suggesting* irc cuddling as something to do |
| 04:07.53 | keldwud | haha |
| 04:07.53 | vontrapp | there's no TNG on :( |
| 04:08.13 | keldwud | hey does ibot have a RNG? |
| 04:08.28 | keldwud | ~help |
| 04:08.38 | levi | vontrapp: We do, too. My wife got the complete set of DVDs for Christmas from my parents. But she got the complete set of SG1 DVDs from me, and she's in the middle of those now. :) |
| 04:08.40 | findlay | airheads and arrogant |
| 04:08.43 | findlay | enmity |
| 04:08.47 | findlay | I hate enmity |
| 04:09.17 | levi | findlay: How many BYU girls do you know? |
| 04:09.21 | vontrapp | voyager is playing on spike now, at the rate of 1.5 ep a day, all in order :) |
| 04:09.37 | vontrapp | we can't keep up |
| 04:09.42 | vontrapp | but i have lotso hd space |
| 04:09.43 | findlay | levi: mainly the ones in my ward and a few random others |
| 04:09.52 | keldwud | oh god, is there a slightly more comprehensive manual for ibot? |
| 04:10.00 | findlay | keldwud: rtsl |
| 04:10.13 | findlay | ~rtsl |
| 04:10.20 | levi | findlay: Well, you might check yourself before calling them arrogant. Mote, beam, etc. |
| 04:10.29 | findlay | documentation? What's that? |
| 04:10.36 | keldwud | ibotSomeone already said that 6 seconds ago |
| 04:10.41 | findlay | levi: yes, I was being partially ironic |
| 04:10.56 | findlay | ibot: rtsl is reat the source, Luke |
| 04:10.57 | ibot | okay, findlay |
| 04:11.14 | findlay | ibot: no, rtsl is read the source, Luke |
| 04:11.14 | ibot | findlay: okay |
| 04:11.24 | keldwud | oh that would be more tedious than trying to read through it's !help |
| 04:11.38 | keldwud | s/!help/~help/ |
| 04:11.42 | findlay | well, that's the best I can recommend |
| 04:12.00 | keldwud | and I fail at reading source right now. |
| 04:12.21 | keldwud | I haven't even finished object oriented programming 1 over at UVSC yet. |
| 04:12.36 | keldwud | missed the last half of the class. |
| 04:12.39 | levi | findlay: I had a lot of fun hanging out with an apartment of girls from Idaho, despite the fact that we had very few interests in common, and you might well call them airheads. |
| 04:13.06 | keldwud | yeah airheads are fun in groups. they are very entertaining and giggly. |
| 04:13.19 | keldwud | and girls are always fun to be around when they are giggly |
| 04:13.35 | findlay | levi: I guess it's my own fault for moving to 1 block of campus for always getting annoyed by BYU-induced arrogance^Wmonoculture |
| 04:13.35 | keldwud | ~wtf |
| 04:14.05 | levi | findlay: No, it's your own fault for getting annoyed by it instead of taking advantage of it. |
| 04:14.19 | findlay | levi: how does one take such advantage? |
| 04:14.45 | levi | findlay: Get to know some apartments of fun girls. Hang out with them. |
| 04:14.51 | findlay | eh |
| 04:15.00 | levi | Really, it's fun. |
| 04:15.08 | findlay | I'm tired of hanging out with apartments of girls |
| 04:15.18 | findlay | maybe it has something to do with my age |
| 04:15.22 | keldwud | ~irc apartments of cute airheaded girls |
| 04:15.23 | ibot | Oh IRC, why do you distract me so from apartments of cute airheaded girls |
| 04:15.33 | levi | findlay: How old are you? |
| 04:15.37 | keldwud | places a question mark on his previous statement |
| 04:15.43 | findlay | levi: 26 |
| 04:16.09 | keldwud | I'm close to your age and have not gotten tired of girls yet. |
| 04:16.20 | keldwud | I dont think it's your age |
| 04:16.25 | keldwud | ;) |
| 04:16.26 | findlay | ibot, no irc $job is <reply> Oh IRC, why do you distract me so from $job? |
| 04:16.27 | ibot | okay, findlay |
| 04:16.33 | levi | findlay: You just take yourself too seriously. :) |
| 04:16.48 | findlay | levi: probably |
| 04:16.49 | levi | I was still hanging out with bunches of girls at 26. |
| 04:17.09 | keldwud | levi: we call them gaggles, not bunches. heh. ;) |
| 04:17.16 | keldwud | a gaggle of girls |
| 04:17.21 | keldwud | a bunch of grapes |
| 04:18.55 | findlay | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_noun#Terms_of_venery_.28words_for_groups_of_animals.29 |
| 04:19.15 | keldwud | nice linkage :) |
| 04:20.40 | keldwud | heh, findlay can turn a gaggle of girls into a skein of girls ;) |
| 04:21.10 | keldwud | some subtle humor there at findlay's expense |
| 04:23.12 | findlay | oh, don't bother over my expenses. Where girls are concerned, I assure you there's plenty of pecuniary to cover it |
| 04:23.32 | keldwud | haha |
| 04:23.44 | keldwud | a lot of fun to be had browsing through this http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Collective_nouns |
| 04:24.24 | keldwud | oh I love the double click selection context menu in opera. that is so full of win. |
| 04:24.49 | keldwud | I just had to double-click the word pecuniary and select dictionary |
| 04:25.15 | keldwud | did the rest of the work for me. |
| 04:25.34 | findlay | wiktionary ftw |
| 04:25.46 | keldwud | but I should not mention such things here. I heard rumors that this is full of open source people. |
| 04:25.51 | findlay | ~dict pecuniary |
| 04:25.55 | keldwud | and opera != open source |
| 04:26.27 | levi | Yay for closed source! |
| 04:26.55 | keldwud | so I would hate to create bad blood by loving opera in public here :) |
| 04:27.25 | keldwud | it's like the eeepc "why dont you" thing |
| 04:27.43 | keldwud | whenever I mention opera, people always say "Why don't you just use firefox?" |
| 04:27.52 | levi | There are some open source and free software fanboys here, but I am not one of them. |
| 04:28.20 | levi | I appreciate open source, of course, but my life does not revolve around it. |
| 04:28.34 | nick125 | I believe in using whatever is comfortable, whether or not it's open source or not. In my case, it just happens that most of everything that I find comfortable is open source. |
| 04:28.35 | keldwud | I like open source, but I do not feel the need to close my mind to other forms of software :) |
| 04:29.23 | keldwud | am I the only opera user in here? |
| 04:29.37 | levi | I use it very occasionally. |
| 04:29.51 | nick125 | I find Opera very uncomfortable to use. |
| 04:30.01 | keldwud | how come nick125? |
| 04:30.37 | keldwud | I fell in love with it back in 99 and haven't looked back since. |
| 04:30.55 | keldwud | of course, I had to crack it in order to use it up until recently |
| 04:31.20 | nick125 | The interface seems really klunky, while FF seems much more "native" and clean. |
| 04:33.13 | keldwud | there *are* a couple websites that I have to use FF for. |
| 04:33.31 | keldwud | but mostly because of bad design/html |
| 04:33.45 | levi | That's mostly why I don't use Opera. |
| 04:34.11 | keldwud | I only have maybe 2 sites that I use regularly that require switching browsers. |
| 04:34.32 | keldwud | and I think there's something up with the java but I can't remember |
| 04:41.12 | findlay | how do you actually get something out of screen's copy mode into the system clipboard? |
| 04:41.36 | findlay | the screen manpage tells you all about its copy mode, except how to do that one little important thing |
| 04:42.38 | Sargun | lol |
| 04:43.04 | levi | findlay: What 'system clipboard' are you speaking of? |
| 04:43.16 | findlay | levi: any that will work |
| 04:43.27 | findlay | right now I can't seem to get anything to work |
| 04:43.27 | levi | findlay: You speak as if there is such a thing as a centralized clipboard management system. |
| 04:43.45 | findlay | levi: do you not have a clipboard on your computer? |
| 04:43.48 | findlay | I'm sorry |
| 04:44.04 | levi | findlay: I do on my Mac, which has a semblance of integration between its subsystems. |
| 04:44.09 | levi | On my Windows box, too. |
| 04:44.30 | levi | On my Linux systems, I have a myriad of clipboards belonging to various systems. |
| 04:44.43 | findlay | indeed |
| 04:44.53 | levi | There's the screen clipboard, the X clipboard, the Gnome clipboard... |
| 04:44.58 | findlay | and screen won't talk to any of them |
| 04:45.28 | levi | Well, why should it? It talks to a terminal, and terminals don't have clipboards. |
| 04:46.11 | levi | Presumably, you can use the OS that's running the terminal to do clipping in its context. |
| 04:46.30 | whiteinge | Check the manpage for writebuf and readbuf. You can write to a file and read from a file. |
| 04:46.46 | levi | The screen clipboard is for moving stuff from one screen window to another. |
| 04:47.30 | whiteinge | I've been trying (unsuccessfully) to get screen pull from the X clipboard on readbuf. I think it's possible... |
| 04:48.24 | levi | whiteinge: Wouldn't it be easier to just hit the paste button on your mouse? |
| 04:48.37 | Sargun | levi, Do you run SCO software? |
| 04:48.52 | levi | Sargun: Not that I'm aware of. |
| 04:49.04 | whiteinge | levi: We're talking about exchanging data between the GNU Screen pastebuffer and the X clipboard, right? |
| 04:49.17 | levi | whiteinge: Well, maybe findlay wants to do that. |
| 04:49.48 | Sargun | Anyone in here watch TSS [The Screen Savers] with Leo Laporte. |
| 04:49.50 | whiteinge | So do I. :-) |
| 04:50.21 | fozzmoo | Used to. |
| 04:50.36 | levi | It's pretty easy to get GNU Screen to receive a paste from X. You just hit the paste button. |
| 04:50.40 | findlay | fozzmoo: you used to paste? |
| 04:50.54 | fozzmoo | Used to watch TSS |
| 04:51.23 | findlay | levi: well, going the other way can be tricky when you have a multi-page copy you want to get from a screen session on a remote system |
| 04:51.46 | Sargun | fozzmoo, That was entertaining. Remember the episode where Leo said that if you want to make a lot of money learn Solaris? |
| 04:51.58 | levi | findlay: Dump it to a file, I guess. |
| 04:52.06 | fozzmoo | Made sense at the time. :) |
| 04:52.29 | whiteinge | There's a way to dump it to the X clipboard. It just needs to be easier. |
| 04:53.08 | Sargun | whiteinge, xcliboardutility -dump |
| 04:53.16 | Tene | whiteinge: there's a simple cli utility that can read from stdin and save to clip, dump clip to stdout, etc. |
| 04:53.50 | findlay | Tene: what's it called? |
| 04:54.02 | sontek | anyone know a graphic designer around that would be willing to make some graphics for a suse site? :P (this is a site for the community, not for profit, so I can't pay them) |
| 04:54.05 | whiteinge | I know. I use `xclip -i`. How to automate that from Screen on writebuf is the trick. |
| 04:54.26 | findlay | I assume screen has macro hooks |
| 04:54.50 | levi | You know what happens when you assume... |
| 04:55.12 | findlay | doomsday particles! |
| 04:55.17 | whiteinge | findlay: Here's the method I've been trying to get to work: http://dotfiles.org/~hermogeneshebert/.screenrc |
| 04:56.12 | findlay | heh, I hate the startup message |
| 05:07.19 | elg | argh |
| 05:07.29 | elg | after all that, evince won't build, which gnucash mysteriously depends on |
| 05:07.43 | nick125 | evince is evil. |
| 05:07.55 | elg | because it depends on poppler, which just released a new version that breaks the API like 4 days ago |
| 05:07.59 | nick125 | Infact, I wouldn't be surprised it was the root of all evil. |
| 05:08.14 | elg | and the latest version of evince naturally breaks |
| 05:08.28 | elg | and I have no idea how to get macports to grab an old version of a library |
| 05:08.42 | elg | this port stuff is nice in theory but really fragile |
| 05:11.10 | elg | hacks away the evince runtime dependency and crosses fingers |
| 05:11.56 | elg | maybe it's only needed for certain reports or printing or something |
| 05:12.18 | elg | wonders why he decided to compile gnucash on osx again. |
| 05:12.31 | elg | I've just been using it via nx on my linux box, and it works pretty great |
| 05:13.11 | elg | oh yes, because that extra step, simple as it be, is the difference between putting off entering stuff for my business and staying on top of it |
| 05:13.25 | elg | which is the difference between filing my gross receipts taxes on time or late |
| 05:13.42 | elg | which is the difference between gourmet ice cream and generic |
| 05:23.48 | levi | Man, I thought I was getting the hang of Haskell. |
| 05:33.06 | levi | Yay, I got my latest changes past the type checker. |
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| 05:44.24 | elg | nice gnucash finally has close books |
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| 07:39.00 | dilvie | check out my shots from Get Lucky -> http://www.dilvie.com/2008/03/2008-03-15-get-lucky.html |
| 07:44.56 | keldwud | oh heya dilvie |
| 07:45.08 | dilvie | hey hey |
| 07:45.12 | dilvie | check out those photos =) |
| 07:45.14 | keldwud | crazy, I woke up when you posted that link |
| 07:45.34 | keldwud | I was AAC for a minute there |
| 07:45.51 | dilvie | AAC? |
| 07:45.55 | keldwud | ibot has a new ~ |
| 07:46.00 | keldwud | asleep at computer? |
| 07:46.07 | dilvie | haha |
| 07:46.08 | keldwud | ~irc sleep |
| 07:46.09 | ibot | Oh IRC, why do you distract me so from sleep? |
| 07:46.35 | dilvie | it's not irc distracting me |
| 07:46.38 | dilvie | it's photos. =) |
| 07:47.43 | sontek | Its 3 machiattos + code thats keeping me from sleep |
| 07:48.45 | sontek | those are some nice pics though |
| 07:48.55 | keldwud | I was trying to beat both Flight of the Amazon Queen and Beneath a Steel Sky again |
| 07:48.58 | dilvie | =) |
| 07:49.12 | dilvie | keldwud: what? No nethack? |
| 07:49.15 | keldwud | dilve and taking pictures = win |
| 07:49.41 | keldwud | oh I'm playing nethack too but I am far to much of a realist to hope for winning that in one night |
| 07:50.08 | keldwud | ;) |
| 07:51.35 | dilvie | haha |
| 07:51.59 | dilvie | keldwud: heard from optikal lately? |
| 07:52.39 | keldwud | you know what, I haven't. I called him a couple months ago to find out that his father had died |
| 07:52.56 | keldwud | thanks for the reminder though, I should call him |
| 07:53.08 | keldwud | I miss that fucker |
| 07:53.23 | keldwud | sad that I only ever see him at defcon now. |
| 07:54.09 | keldwud | ahh, my memories at the alexis park hotel |
| 07:54.27 | keldwud | well resort is what they called it but hey\ |
| 07:54.32 | dilvie | hehe |
| 07:55.00 | keldwud | I have ingested some fine chemicals at that con. |
| 07:55.04 | keldwud | yummy |
| 07:55.18 | keldwud | hey how many of these people do I know in here dilvie? |
| 07:55.28 | dilvie | you tell me... |
| 07:55.44 | keldwud | well I dont think I would recognize them by their nicks. |
| 07:55.51 | keldwud | well othar than dataw0lf over there |
| 07:56.28 | dilvie | hrm.. no clue man. |
| 07:56.33 | dilvie | I've only met a few in person. =) |
| 07:56.35 | keldwud | findlay says that he is from Utah county and I wonder if I know him as well. |
| 07:59.10 | keldwud | oh hey I remember what I was doing now, I was in the middle of downloading and installing supaplex |
| 08:00.30 | dilvie | good game |
| 08:00.39 | keldwud | it's your fault I know aout it |
| 08:00.39 | dilvie | I used to play that all the time |
| 08:00.46 | keldwud | s/aout/about/ |
| 08:01.01 | dilvie | you sure it's not Scott's fault? |
| 08:01.09 | dilvie | he calls himself supaplex online. =) |
| 08:01.27 | dilvie | I didn't play it as much as he did. |
| 08:01.29 | dilvie | =) |
| 08:01.37 | keldwud | nah, you introduced me to it, do I know scott irl? |
| 08:02.01 | keldwud | oh wait, is that the skinny dude with the car? |
| 08:02.23 | keldwud | pokes @ supaplex |
| 08:02.59 | keldwud | oh hey dilvie, dinner last night was an amazing success |
| 08:03.04 | keldwud | 5 courses. |
| 08:03.38 | dilvie | haha |
| 08:03.58 | dilvie | scott is a friend I've known since Junior High. He's skinny and tall. You've met him many times. |
| 08:04.24 | keldwud | and I ran into my sister unexpectedly at some party/warehouse rave. I had just shown up and she comes walking outside. which was great because we didn't have money and they wanted 15 bux a head. |
| 08:04.35 | keldwud | my sis got me and my entourage in |
| 08:04.46 | keldwud | the pretenders or something like that were playing. |
| 08:05.02 | keldwud | I don't know what they were called but they were some hippy regae band |
| 08:05.12 | keldwud | s/regae/reggae |
| 08:05.17 | keldwud | s/regae/reggae/ |
| 08:06.00 | dilvie | haha |
| 08:06.02 | dilvie | cool. |
| 08:06.02 | keldwud | I ran into a party promoter guy who is a sommelier and I may end up getting to cook for money in the future |
| 08:06.06 | dilvie | when was that? |
| 08:06.14 | dilvie | sommelier? |
| 08:06.15 | keldwud | that was last night, I should have called you |
| 08:06.23 | keldwud | wine sniffer |
| 08:06.39 | Sargun | Sniffa. |
| 08:06.44 | Sargun | Sniffah Pro.. |
| 08:06.47 | keldwud | http://redir.opera.com/dictionary/?query=sommelier |
| 08:07.01 | keldwud | yeah, they get paid to put together wine lists |
| 08:07.09 | keldwud | it's a pretty dope job |
| 08:07.19 | Sargun | We have quite a few of them here |
| 08:07.26 | Sargun | at the edge of wine country |
| 08:07.34 | dilvie | I know a party promoter who manages the wine inventory at an upscale place in Park City. |
| 08:07.54 | keldwud | he is probably a sommelier then |
| 08:08.07 | keldwud | pronounced sohm mee ay |
| 08:08.45 | keldwud | wonder if it's the same cat. |
| 08:08.55 | keldwud | but anyway I am way excited to take my hobby to a professional level, and have somebody interested in pairing wines with my meals |
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| 08:09.09 | dilvie | doubtful. You would have recognized the other guy maybe. |
| 08:09.30 | dilvie | I think you may have met him. |
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| 08:09.59 | dilvie | I forgot his name, but he was hanging around a bit when you were doing yo taxi thang |
| 08:10.37 | keldwud | hmmm. damn the taxi thing really kept me in the loop with everything going on in slc. it was like having your fingers on the pulse of the city. |
| 08:10.44 | Sargun | I wonder if Xmission was down |
| 08:10.46 | Sargun | probably |
| 08:11.00 | Sargun | crappy ISP |
| 08:11.03 | keldwud | nah, I'm on xmission |
| 08:11.17 | keldwud | I haven't experienced any blips tonight |
| 08:11.43 | keldwud | Sargun: and I assume you tease when you say "crappy ISP" about xmission? |
| 08:11.45 | keldwud | :) |
| 08:11.56 | Sargun | http://stats.xmission.com/nagios/ |
| 08:12.23 | keldwud | oh I guess they do have a host down |
| 08:13.13 | Sargun | I wonder why so many Xmission users joined at once. |
| 08:13.16 | keldwud | still, I would much rather deal with a crappy ISP that I can trust with no questions asked rather than deal with a larger corp ISP that may not be as ethical |
| 08:13.20 | dilvie | I think it's pretty cool that xmission is so transparent with their service levels |
| 08:13.59 | dilvie | you won't see reports like that from most of the big ISP's. |
| 08:14.04 | keldwud | one of the most ethical companies I've ever come across really |
| 08:14.52 | keldwud | hell, you dont even see major corps promoting public transportation by offering their employees *free* bus passes |
| 08:15.32 | keldwud | I think any socially responsible company with more than 50 employees should be required to offer bus passes or some form of ride share |
| 08:15.56 | Sargun | Why? |
| 08:16.10 | Sargun | My company does that |
| 08:16.12 | keldwud | because by the act of employing so many people they are indirectly putting a lot more drivers on the road for the commute |
| 08:16.26 | keldwud | more pollution and more gas consumption |
| 08:16.29 | Sargun | and its their responsibility how? |
| 08:16.38 | dilvie | required? |
| 08:16.39 | Sargun | Move closer to work |
| 08:16.47 | keldwud | because they are part of the community as well |
| 08:17.16 | keldwud | not legally required of course, but if they want to be recognized as a productive member of a community |
| 08:17.18 | dilvie | I think social consciousness is a cool thing, but I don't think such measures are necessary in Utah. |
| 08:17.39 | keldwud | and I was not talking about regulation at all. |
| 08:18.03 | dilvie | We have a very low unemployment rate, which means that companies are keen to do what they can to create a cool culture that people want to be a part of |
| 08:18.14 | keldwud | I meant required as "should be a requirement" to be accepted as socially responsible or ethically aware |
| 08:18.22 | dilvie | ah.. |
| 08:18.23 | dilvie | =) |
| 08:18.30 | keldwud | yeah so calm down buddy ;) |
| 08:18.31 | dilvie | yeah, on that I agree. |
| 08:18.53 | keldwud | you should already know that I am completely against the "there should be a law" philosophy |
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| 08:19.17 | dilvie | I just don't like the idea of regulating it.. especially in a state where there's already a lot of pressure on businesses to be friendly to the community and their employees. |
| 08:19.17 | keldwud | it is one of the most politicaly irresponsible ways of thinking there are |
| 08:19.32 | dilvie | amen |
| 08:20.15 | keldwud | not just politically irresponsible but socially as well. it removes the responsibility from the self and allows you to shift all of your problems onto some other source |
| 08:20.47 | keldwud | it involves absolutely no personal accountability to think "there should be a law... [insert subject here]" |
| 08:21.30 | dilvie | apparently personal accountability is unpopular. |
| 08:21.33 | keldwud | I'm pretty prejudiced about it as well, if I ever hear somebody utter that phrase, I automatically discredit them in my mind and never take anything they say seriously after that point |
| 08:21.35 | dilvie | haha |
| 08:21.46 | Sargun | Is this when hipies control #utah |
| 08:21.47 | Sargun | :-P |
| 08:21.48 | keldwud | no joke |
| 08:22.00 | keldwud | yech. hippies |
| 08:22.05 | keldwud | I hate hippies |
| 08:22.24 | keldwud | I tear them down for fun and embarass them in public as much as I possibly can |
| 08:22.43 | keldwud | especially the coffee house know-it-all type |
| 08:22.53 | dilvie | sargun: are you calling us hippies? ;) |
| 08:23.08 | keldwud | Sargun: yeah them's fightin words ;) |
| 08:23.16 | keldwud | raises his dukes |
| 08:23.49 | dilvie | fighting words? |
| 08:23.54 | dilvie | I dunno. I like bongos. |
| 08:23.58 | dilvie | I had long hair once. |
| 08:24.09 | dilvie | <-- laid back |
| 08:24.24 | dilvie | I sometimes eat Ben and Jerry's Ice Cream |
| 08:24.53 | dilvie | Okay, not often. I prefer to eat Spotted Dog Ice Cream... |
| 08:24.54 | dilvie | mmmm |
| 08:25.00 | dilvie | now there's some delicious flavors. |
| 08:25.18 | dilvie | their gingerbread icecream is to die for |
| 08:25.31 | dilvie | it makes me shop for ice-cream at Christmas of all times |
| 08:25.34 | dilvie | haha |
| 08:26.11 | keldwud | where's spotted dog at? in any grocer? |
| 08:26.26 | dilvie | no |
| 08:26.27 | dilvie | ); |
| 08:26.28 | keldwud | oh and goldfrapp = win, right now |
| 08:26.33 | dilvie | sadly |
| 08:26.46 | keldwud | where at dilvie? |
| 08:26.57 | keldwud | and I'm hungry, what do you have to eat over there? |
| 08:26.58 | dilvie | you have to buy it at their factory in SLC, or at one of a few select locations that carry their ice cream |
| 08:27.08 | dilvie | luckily, those locations include my favorite pizza place |
| 08:27.11 | dilvie | Freewheeler |
| 08:27.17 | dilvie | which is open late and delivers. =) |
| 08:27.26 | dilvie | nothing to eat here |
| 08:27.28 | dilvie | ); |
| 08:27.31 | keldwud | damnit, I *was* asking where the 'few select locations' were at |
| 08:27.33 | dilvie | we haven't been shopping recently |
| 08:27.42 | keldwud | really? well shit, come over here then |
| 08:27.52 | dilvie | it's 2:30am |
| 08:27.59 | keldwud | I'm just lazy and didn't want to clean up my mess from making dinner last night |
| 08:28.01 | dilvie | Maria works early in the morning. |
| 08:28.17 | keldwud | I cooked 5 courses with only 2 pots and one frying pan |
| 08:28.25 | keldwud | and nothing had to sit eiher |
| 08:28.36 | keldwud | s/eiher/either/ |
| 08:28.45 | dilvie | awesome |
| 08:28.54 | dilvie | you are the man |
| 08:30.02 | keldwud | parmesan crusted swiss steaks, gruyere cheese puffs, sherry onions, jicama salad, norweigan soup, brazillian baked trout, cinnamon baked pears |
| 08:30.24 | keldwud | holy shit gruyere is some expenisve stuff |
| 08:30.30 | keldwud | 21 bux per pound |
| 08:30.43 | keldwud | oh and sherried shrimp |
| 08:31.04 | keldwud | I just finished off the shrimp and the steak a couple hours ago |
| 08:31.55 | keldwud | the tangy sauce for the shrimp was freaking amazin |
| 08:32.04 | keldwud | god, I'm hungry now |
| 08:32.15 | keldwud | ~irc eating and food and such |
| 08:32.17 | ibot | Oh IRC, why do you distract me so from eating and food and such? |
| 08:32.47 | dilvie | what? |
| 08:32.52 | dilvie | you made that all in one night? |
| 08:33.22 | keldwud | yeah |
| 08:33.30 | dilvie | what is norweigan soup? |
| 08:33.33 | keldwud | I made it all in the span of one hour 30 minutes |
| 08:33.42 | keldwud | I juggled pretty damn well |
| 08:33.54 | keldwud | oh except the 3 hours for the steak. |
| 08:34.01 | keldwud | but that was just throwing it in the oven. |
| 08:34.22 | keldwud | norweigan soup is like a broth made with fresh cinnamon and nutmeg and umm... hold on |
| 08:35.00 | keldwud | oh and grated lemon and lime peel |
| 08:35.25 | keldwud | then you remove the chunky stuff leavin only the tea/broth |
| 08:36.04 | keldwud | for the base, then you cook some tapioca in it for about 20 minutes, then beat some egg yolks with sugar till fluffy, and remove the soup from the heat, whisk in eggs |
| 08:36.19 | keldwud | then add some sherry and a generous helping of white wine and a dash of salt |
| 08:36.35 | keldwud | serve in hot mugs as either an appetizer or part of your dessert |
| 08:36.52 | keldwud | it's pretty simple too, and divine |
| 08:38.24 | keldwud | I just finished eating the jicama salad. diced jicama (hee kah mah), lime juice and lots of fresh cilantro and chili powder and radishes and garnished with whole orange slices |
| 08:38.45 | keldwud | we should plan a dinner date at your place sometime |
| 08:39.27 | dilvie | hee kah mah |
| 08:39.44 | dilvie | that sounds good |
| 08:39.55 | keldwud | it's a potato from central/south americas] |
| 08:40.01 | keldwud | it has the texture of a radish or a pear |
| 08:40.17 | keldwud | can be eaten raw. it is almost flavorless. |
| 08:40.38 | dilvie | hmm |
| 08:41.00 | keldwud | yeah I didn't have enough guests last night, ended up with twice as much food as mouths. |
| 08:41.05 | keldwud | I was planning on 8 guests. |
| 08:41.14 | keldwud | only got 4. |
| 08:41.41 | keldwud | pissed me off. people don't know how to rsvp a formal event properly. especially one where the host is spending a lot of money. |
| 08:42.02 | keldwud | "oh I just assumed that since I didn't call you that you knew I wasn't coming" |
| 08:42.05 | keldwud | or stuff like that. |
| 08:42.31 | keldwud | or even worse, trying to show up with 4 guests at the last minute. |
| 08:42.48 | keldwud | after implying that you may not make it before. |
| 09:02.48 | dilvie | mm |
| 09:03.18 | dilvie | are all your dinner parties formal+ |
| 09:03.19 | dilvie | ? |
| 09:03.54 | dilvie | I want to have a dinner party and just serve hotwings from the bbq and potato chips |
| 09:03.56 | dilvie | haha |
| 09:03.58 | dilvie | that would rock |
| 09:04.00 | dilvie | and beer |
| 09:04.05 | dilvie | even though I don't drink beer |
| 09:04.20 | keldwud | because you're a snob |
| 09:04.23 | keldwud | ;) |
| 09:04.28 | keldwud | and no, not all of them are formal |
| 09:04.42 | dilvie | I don't drink beer because I'm a snob? |
| 09:04.44 | dilvie | haha |
| 09:04.52 | dilvie | I don't drink beer because I don't have a taste for it. |
| 09:05.07 | dilvie | well, I kinda like the taste of select kinds of beer |
| 09:05.11 | keldwud | you lie, I've drank good beer with you on plenty of occasions |
| 09:05.20 | dilvie | I like a nice creamy stout |
| 09:05.40 | dilvie | the thicker and frothier the better |
| 09:05.43 | keldwud | haha I *bet* you like a nice creamy stout |
| 09:05.52 | keldwud | haha @ thicker the better |
| 09:05.53 | dilvie | keldwud: hahahaha |
| 09:05.57 | sontek | only beer I really can't stand is Utah beer (uinta, wasatch, etc) |
| 09:06.00 | sontek | RedRock is decent |
| 09:06.16 | keldwud | I haven't had the pleasure of redrock yet |
| 09:06.22 | dilvie | sontek: you don't like the local breweries? |
| 09:06.29 | keldwud | they only serve it there for some reason. I dont think they distribute. |
| 09:07.10 | sontek | dilvie: only redrock, all utah beers have this similar weird after taste, I don't know what it is, but I can't stand it |
| 09:07.19 | keldwud | dilvie: so when do you want to do dinner? |
| 09:07.34 | keldwud | sontek: could be the water they use for brewing |
| 09:07.45 | dilvie | sontek: I've never heard anybody say that before |
| 09:08.03 | keldwud | a lot of things can affect the aftertaste of a fermented drink |
| 09:08.07 | dilvie | all my beer guzzling friends love the local brews |
| 09:08.13 | dilvie | well, some of them |
| 09:08.24 | sontek | did they grow up here? |
| 09:08.34 | dilvie | sontek: some |
| 09:08.42 | keldwud | something as subtle as a change in the bacterium in the water to the bacteria in the air |
| 09:09.08 | dilvie | I have a friend who comes to town once a year for skiing who's favorite brew is a Utah brew |
| 09:09.13 | dilvie | I don't remember which brew |
| 09:09.25 | keldwud | I'm a big fan of the newcastle brown ale and sierra nevada series of beers |
| 09:10.19 | dilvie | keldwud: I don't know enough about beer to comment. =) |
| 09:10.59 | dilvie | all I can say for certain is that most beer doesn't do it for me, though I like to taste.. I'm hoping someday I'll taste something that catches my fancy |
| 09:11.06 | dilvie | then I can have a cold one with my friends |
| 09:11.08 | dilvie | haha |
| 09:12.08 | sontek | dilvie: only drink grapefruit juice when you aren't drinking beer |
| 09:12.17 | sontek | dilvie: it'll be the best stuff ever :D |
| 09:13.57 | dilvie | heh |
| 09:14.32 | sontek | The bayou has over 50 beers, you could just sitdown and try them all |
| 09:14.48 | keldwud | sontek: good point |
| 09:15.54 | dilvie | http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/9/19 |
| 09:16.16 | dilvie | I avoid the Bayou when I can. |
| 09:18.14 | sontek | I like them, They could use a bigger place, but they have good food and great selection of beer |
| 09:19.00 | dilvie | I feel out of place there |
| 09:19.39 | dilvie | it's just a bit outside my comfort zone |
| 09:19.47 | dilvie | which I'm fine with. =) |
| 09:20.03 | keldwud | what? they have jazz there sometimes dilvie |
| 09:20.07 | keldwud | and pool tables |
| 09:20.12 | keldwud | I'll have to take you there |
| 09:20.22 | dilvie | and all sorts of other music |
| 09:20.24 | dilvie | I know |
| 09:20.41 | dilvie | and good food and lots of beer choices... I know. |
| 09:20.43 | keldwud | and that's why I always tease you about being a snob, because most conversations you mention something that you don't like. |
| 09:21.03 | keldwud | or something that you won't do ;) |
| 09:21.05 | dilvie | but there's so much I DO like. =) |
| 09:21.37 | keldwud | scroll back and reread what you have said |
| 09:21.39 | sontek | well, if we are talking about bars we don't like =) Keys on Main (I think thats what its called, the one with dueling pianists) |
| 09:21.40 | dilvie | if there's something I won't do it's generally because my schedule is packed with things I LOVE to do. ;) |
| 09:21.59 | dilvie | haha |
| 09:22.05 | keldwud | I think there are three different mentions of "i don't" and such |
| 09:22.07 | dilvie | I love the Zanzibar |
| 09:22.26 | keldwud | or "i avoid" ;) |
| 09:22.34 | keldwud | zanzibar is awesom |
| 09:22.37 | sontek | I haven't made my way over there, everytime I go to brewvies I think to myself "we should hit up zanzibar" but it never happens |
| 09:22.41 | keldwud | s/awesom/awesome |
| 09:22.56 | keldwud | I haven't been there for a while. a few years actually. |
| 09:23.08 | dilvie | Zanzibar is well worth hitting up after a good flick at Brewvies |
| 09:23.10 | keldwud | the guy who bought my EEE PC works there |
| 09:23.52 | dilvie | best jazz bar in town, IMO. Good decor, AWESOME service, good music. |
| 09:24.17 | keldwud | they dont have the cheese platter anymore though |
| 09:24.18 | dilvie | I should go more often |
| 09:24.26 | dilvie | keldwud: those bastards! |
| 09:24.30 | keldwud | haha |
| 09:24.33 | dilvie | <-- never going again |
| 09:24.41 | keldwud | well it's not like they killed kenny or something :) |
| 09:24.42 | dilvie | you know who has a good cheese platter? |
| 09:24.48 | keldwud | I can find out |
| 09:24.55 | dilvie | keldwud: they probably did kill kenny |
| 09:24.57 | keldwud | but it would take me a couple days of research |
| 09:24.59 | dilvie | no I'm gonna tell you. |
| 09:25.06 | dilvie | The Dodo @ Gateway |
| 09:25.11 | keldwud | oh yeah. |
| 09:25.14 | dilvie | excellent cheese and fruit apatizer |
| 09:25.19 | dilvie | off the hook |
| 09:25.26 | keldwud | damnit, now I'm starving. |
| 09:25.32 | dilvie | appetizer, even |
| 09:25.48 | keldwud | wonder if there is a way cook some food without having to wash my dishes. |
| 09:26.07 | dilvie | hire a maid? |
| 09:26.09 | dilvie | hahaha |
| 09:26.14 | dilvie | that's something you'd do, too. |
| 09:26.18 | dilvie | even if you couldn't afford it. |
| 09:26.18 | keldwud | I've thought about it actually |
| 09:26.23 | dilvie | 'cause you're awesome like that. |
| 09:26.46 | dilvie | "dude, I have a cook make meals for me x times/week" |
| 09:26.56 | keldwud | just vaccum, laundry, and a quick once over with some cleaner once a week. |
| 09:27.01 | dilvie | is not cool enough to hang with keldwud |
| 09:27.15 | keldwud | what? haha |
| 09:27.32 | dilvie | I want a private cook / maid / serving wench |
| 09:27.34 | dilvie | haha |
| 09:27.42 | dilvie | is hating because he's jealous |
| 09:27.48 | keldwud | jealous of what? |
| 09:28.24 | dilvie | hiring people like that on a whim |
| 09:28.30 | keldwud | haha |
| 09:28.41 | dilvie | daydreams |
| 09:29.05 | dilvie | you seem to do everything on a whim |
| 09:29.30 | keldwud | yeah, well just wait until a girl finally figures out how to settle me down, then I will be just as boring as everybody else. |
| 09:29.49 | dilvie | are you calling me boring? |
| 09:29.50 | keldwud | and I will bitch and whine about money and bills and having no time |
| 09:29.54 | dilvie | you know what I do for a living? |
| 09:29.56 | dilvie | http://flickr.com/photos/dilvie/2372995141/ |
| 09:30.15 | keldwud | http://keldwud.org/generalization |
| 09:30.25 | keldwud | oh wait |
| 09:30.26 | keldwud | bad link |
| 09:30.49 | keldwud | http://keldwud.org/generalize.html |
| 09:31.14 | dilvie | and im dry as my |
| 09:31.16 | dilvie | brain heaves |
| 09:31.19 | dilvie | cant i |
| 09:31.22 | keldwud | I was making a genereralization. |
| 09:31.24 | dilvie | drop the words |
| 09:31.30 | dilvie | like falling leaves |
| 09:31.37 | dilvie | should be able to |
| 09:31.44 | dilvie | weave *dramatic pause* |
| 09:31.50 | dilvie | time after |
| 09:32.02 | keldwud | this wickedly weak rhyme! |
| 09:32.09 | dilvie | yeah |
| 09:32.11 | keldwud | is that how it goes? heh |
| 09:32.35 | keldwud | ass, why are you copying and pasting my shitty poetry hah |
| 09:32.38 | dilvie | yeah, that's how it goes, but you know |
| 09:32.41 | dilvie | that shit is whack |
| 09:33.36 | dilvie | your poetry goes wherever it wants to |
| 09:33.38 | dilvie | just like you do |
| 09:33.58 | keldwud | yeah I wish that I was as cool as I sounded |
| 09:34.03 | keldwud | hah |
| 09:34.06 | dilvie | but it never seems to get anywhere... |
| 09:34.26 | keldwud | yeah, exactly. just circles man. lots of tiny circles |
| 09:35.08 | dilvie | maybe society made you that way |
| 09:35.14 | dilvie | I'll bet there's a pill you could take |
| 09:35.20 | keldwud | haha |
| 09:35.29 | keldwud | yeah there's a pill for EVERYthing :) |
| 09:35.35 | dilvie | haha |
| 09:35.39 | dilvie | but you know it's not covered |
| 09:35.51 | dilvie | and the cost of healthcare these days, sheesh! |
| 09:36.04 | keldwud | yeck @ canned topics |
| 09:36.20 | keldwud | go google "the cost of healthcare" |
| 09:36.28 | keldwud | bet you get almost 10 million hits |
| 09:36.40 | dilvie | 20 million! |
| 09:36.51 | dilvie | oh wait |
| 09:36.52 | keldwud | it's one of those topics injected into the public |
| 09:36.55 | dilvie | I put it in quotes |
| 09:37.06 | dilvie | and now it's only 134k |
| 09:37.08 | dilvie | lame |
| 09:37.12 | keldwud | oh I was so wrong |
| 09:37.13 | keldwud | haha |
| 09:37.17 | dilvie | I thought people were much more boring. |
| 09:37.44 | dilvie | I'd feel so much better if I could just bitch about how the whole world is full of sheep and parrots. |
| 09:37.46 | keldwud | I just know I hear people talk about it a lot |
| 09:38.03 | keldwud | as if it were a serious political issue that they needed to contemplate |
| 09:38.14 | keldwud | at the expense of paying attention to other things |
| 09:38.28 | keldwud | hey, parrots is MY word. |
| 09:38.29 | dilvie | man |
| 09:38.48 | dilvie | it's a good thing there's no debtor's prison in America |
| 09:38.59 | dilvie | or I'd be in it because of *the cost of healthcare* |
| 09:39.15 | keldwud | well slavery wouldn't be as effective if you locked up all your slaves in prison |
| 09:39.36 | keldwud | you gotta keep 'em workin for ya |
| 09:39.46 | dilvie | people talk about it because some of us have health problems and it plays a major role in our lives |
| 09:40.17 | dilvie | you'd probably be talking about it too, but people with mental health problems tend not to seek medical treatment for them. ;) |
| 09:40.44 | keldwud | oh |
| 09:40.55 | dilvie | you know I'm just dishing because you keep calling me a snob, right? |
| 09:41.07 | keldwud | revenge eh? ;) |
| 09:41.24 | keldwud | I am trying to remember how to get joey into his new shell. |
| 09:41.31 | keldwud | bass |
| 09:42.06 | dilvie | You know we've been noticing you've been having a lot of problems lately. |
| 09:42.19 | dilvie | You know, maybe you should get away and maybe you should talk about it, maybe you'll feel a lot better. |
| 09:42.39 | keldwud | what are you talking about? |
| 09:42.47 | keldwud | and who's "we"? |
| 09:42.53 | dilvie | you know if you want to talk about it I'll be here you know and you'll probably feel a lot better if you talk about it. |
| 09:42.59 | keldwud | and lately? haha I've always had problems man |
| 09:43.07 | keldwud | nothing new there. |
| 09:43.36 | dilvie | What's the matter with you? |
| 09:43.50 | keldwud | what? |
| 09:43.54 | dilvie | Don't tell me that, you're on drugs! |
| 09:43.59 | keldwud | lmao |
| 09:44.07 | dilvie | want a Pepsi? |
| 09:44.27 | keldwud | that's all I wanted |
| 09:44.39 | dilvie | You're slow tonight. |
| 09:45.18 | dilvie | I need to get some sleep. |
| 09:45.38 | dilvie | why don't you get me a Pepsi? |
| 09:47.44 | dilvie | 'night Mike. ;) |
| 10:21.50 | keldwud | wow, the internal speaker setting for supaplex sounds so much cooler than the adlib/soundblaster |
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| 13:34.42 | Supaplex | hehe |
| 13:36.42 | keldwud | hey what's up scott |
| 13:36.52 | keldwud | I just realized that we know each other :) |
| 13:44.05 | Supaplex | ouu yeah? |
| 13:44.23 | Supaplex | ahh ramsey :) haha cool |
| 13:44.40 | Supaplex | ^5's ramsey |
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| 14:10.56 | elg | tensai: sweet. i hope my coupon comes soon |
| 14:11.11 | elg | so what features does the box have or not? |
| 14:11.24 | elg | what kind of remote, etc. etc. I want details! |
| 14:18.54 | tensai | elg: it has a signal strength feature which beeps and displays a slider bar. I suppose that might be helpful if you had rabbit ears. |
| 14:19.15 | tensai | the remote is unremarkable, except that it feels really cheap. I expect it to break before long. |
| 14:19.32 | elg | learning universal remotes are the way to go anwyay |
| 14:19.55 | tensai | it has a tv power button so you can turn off both the converter and display |
| 14:20.15 | elg | how does that work? |
| 14:20.33 | elg | you train it with the TV signal? or does it mind control your tv? |
| 14:22.14 | tensai | while holding the tv power button you push the channel button and it cycles through the possible codes. you know you've got it when the tv flips off. |
| 14:48.36 | fozzmoo_ | http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3208/2375571206_10199eaeba.jpg?v=0 |
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| 15:19.37 | sjansen | Hello this is Leenus Toarvalds and I pronounce Leenux as Leenux. |
| 15:20.30 | keldwud | haha |
| 15:20.34 | jsmith | sjansen: Good one ;-) |
| 15:21.09 | jsmith | sjansen: I'm still waiting for "Hello, this is Linus Torvalds, and now that my English is better, I pronounce Linux like it should be." |
| 15:21.20 | trip0 | lol |
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| 15:46.37 | levi | How much longer are those vouchers going to be available? |
| 15:47.14 | levi | I should pick up one or two of those converters for my analog TVs. |
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| 16:01.20 | vontrapp | well my jbweld didn't hold, and herlo was _way_ of on what hp would charge |
| 16:01.32 | vontrapp | -lart herlo |
| 16:02.37 | vontrapp | ~lart herlo |
| 16:02.37 | ibot | drops a humongous exploding nuke on herlo |
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| 16:11.42 | levi | vontrapp: Somehow I suspected his guess was a little low. :P |
| 16:15.01 | findlay | hello |
| 16:15.09 | vontrapp | they said $220 some odd |
| 16:15.21 | vontrapp | i asked about just getting the parts, and that was a no go :( |
| 16:16.08 | levi | The insane costs of fixing laptops is one of their serious downsides. |
| 16:16.29 | vontrapp | what are the chances of me picking up some spare parts from some kind of computer graveyard or some such? |
| 16:17.37 | unum | the fact that they break so often is another downside |
| 16:17.54 | unum | the fact that they cost twice as much for half the power is another downside |
| 16:18.13 | unum | the fact that they are a huge target for thieves is an other downside |
| 16:18.17 | levi | vontrapp: Try ebay. |
| 16:18.38 | unum | I know usu sales old broken laptops |
| 16:19.05 | unum | though their big pile usually sales out pretty fast |
| 16:19.44 | Tene | Ouch, this class will be painful. ETOOMANYWINDOWSADMINS |
| 16:23.47 | fozzmoo_ | Tene: What class? |
| 16:24.00 | nick125_eee | This is a major pain in the rear. |
| 16:24.33 | nick125_eee | I need to reassemble my mdadm RAID arrays in a livecd so I can recompile the kernel |
| 16:24.53 | nick125_eee | However, for some reason, mdadm doesn't like my /boot RAID array. |
| 16:25.52 | nick125_eee | livecd ~ # mdadm --assemble /dev/md1 /dev/sda1 /dev/sdb1 /dev/sdc1 |
| 16:25.52 | nick125_eee | mdadm: no recogniseable superblock on /dev/sda1 |
| 16:25.52 | nick125_eee | mdadm: /dev/sda1 has no superblock - assembly aborted |
| 16:25.53 | nick125_eee | any ideas, guys/ |
| 16:25.55 | Tene | fozzmoo: rh133 |
| 16:26.23 | fozzmoo | nick125_eee: Doublecheck your partition types to make sure they're fd |
| 16:26.52 | nick125_eee | fozzmoo: They are... |
| 16:26.53 | nick125_eee | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:26.53 | nick125_eee | /dev/sda1 * 1 9 72261 fd Linux raid autodetect |
| 16:27.21 | Tene | I've got five/thirteen students have never used linux before. |
| 16:27.44 | Tene | Heh, one student keeps typoing 'yum install' as 'yall' |
| 16:28.19 | fozzmoo | Tene: Better make this class an event that will CHANGE THEIR LIVES! |
| 16:29.09 | nick125_eee | The RAID was working before I rebooted from the livecd |
| 16:29.34 | fozzmoo | Has anyone interacted with Cisco phone systems with an API before? |
| 16:31.19 | nick125_eee | I got the / root RAID up, but I still can't get the /boot RAID1 up. |
| 16:31.41 | elg | vontrapp: stalk sjansen at night and steal his hinges |
| 16:31.49 | nick125_eee | Yay, I got it up. |
| 16:32.00 | elg | woohoo |
| 16:32.08 | elg | tax refund |
| 16:32.17 | nick125_eee | I copied my mdadm.conf file from the root RAID to the livecd and ran mdadm --assemble --scan /dev/md1 |
| 16:33.30 | sjansen | nick125_eee: Using RAID for /boot is generally a Bad Idea(TM). |
| 16:34.42 | sjansen | Since grub doesn't speak RAID, your only option is RAID 1, but there's all kinds of nasty scenarios where half the mirror gets out of sync. Better to manually cp files if you're paranoid. |
| 16:35.06 | nick125_eee | Yeah, I'm using a RAID1. |
| 16:36.54 | vontrapp | i don't know why raid /boot |
| 16:36.59 | sjansen | vontrapp: HP has a monopoly on repairs. I tried to find someone, anyone, other than HP who could fix my old laptop and they all refused. Thus we see that laptops are just about the old electronics where the extended warranty is worth it. |
| 16:37.07 | vontrapp | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:37.28 | nick125_eee | vontrapp: Just for consistancy...so each drive would have the same partition scheme |
| 16:37.33 | vontrapp | sjansen: s/old/only/? |
| 16:37.47 | sjansen | vontrapp: I have a T61p now. |
| 16:38.30 | sjansen | nick125_eee: "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds" -- Ralph Waldo Emerson |
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| 16:38.47 | nick125_eee | I'd never buy another HP product....not even a package of CDs |
| 16:39.14 | sjansen | I loved my HP zv5000. It was a tank, never had a more reliable laptop. |
| 16:39.22 | fozzmoo | Me too. |
| 16:39.36 | nick125_eee | The next full-sized laptop I buy will be a Lenovo or an Asus. |
| 16:39.43 | vontrapp | mine is still going strong, if not for the broken hinge :( |
| 16:39.44 | pr0le | I love my HP servers :) |
| 16:39.49 | fozzmoo | But this new Dell I got works just perfectly w/ Linux |
| 16:39.54 | fozzmoo | vontrapp: You have a hinge issue too? |
| 16:39.57 | vontrapp | sjansen: is that past tense i detect there? |
| 16:40.07 | Tene | So, my HP laptop's screen was intermittently dieing, so I didn't trust it much to bring with me for teaching this week. |
| 16:40.14 | vontrapp | offers to salvage sjansen's laptop |
| 16:40.28 | Tene | So I brought my girl's laptop instead, a thinkpad T30 |
| 16:40.36 | Tene | And now it won't power on. |
| 16:40.43 | fozzmoo | :( |
| 16:40.44 | vontrapp | fozzmoo: yeah, it was sloppy for some time, then friday night it gave out completely |
| 16:40.48 | Tene | solame. |
| 16:40.56 | fozzmoo | vontrapp: Can't tighten it up> |
| 16:40.57 | fozzmoo | ? |
| 16:41.07 | sjansen | Well, the HP is still going strong, but I wanted a laptop w/ vmx/svm to play with KVM. |
| 16:41.09 | fozzmoo | I've had my HP taken apart about 3 times. |
| 16:41.31 | vontrapp | fozzmoo: there's a keyed peg that fits into the supports, the supports where teh key fits in are completely obliterated |
| 16:41.48 | Tene | I let her take my eeepc in exchange, so I have no usable laptop at all this week. |
| 16:41.52 | vontrapp | the key torqued inside of them and blew them appart |
| 16:42.02 | fozzmoo | vontrapp: Dang |
| 16:42.10 | vontrapp | fozzmoo: i tried jbwelding it, and it didn't hold |
| 16:42.15 | fozzmoo | I wonder if there are some zv5ks on ebay for parts. |
| 16:42.16 | vontrapp | to much torque on those darn things |
| 16:43.54 | vontrapp | if i had designed it, i would have done a solid piece |
| 16:44.28 | sjansen | nick125_eee: BTW, I was kidding with the Emerson quote. Having consistent partitions is probably good. Trying to RAID /boot isn't. |
| 16:44.43 | vontrapp | sjansen: so what are you doing with your old lappy? |
| 16:44.47 | nick125_eee | this server is cursed. |
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| 16:45.16 | vontrapp | adds another 20G to his mythtv shark lv |
| 16:45.29 | sjansen | vontrapp: Well, it's supposed to be a CentOS devel environment for me. But so far using a VM on my new laptop has been more convenient. |
| 16:45.31 | Tene | So, all of my windows admins this week have run "cd /foo/bar/directory" in response to the instruction "Change to the /foo/bar/ directory" |
| 16:45.40 | nick125_eee | lol |
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| 16:56.36 | nick125_eee | Once I get this working, I'm never recompiling the kernel |
| 16:56.37 | vontrapp | Tene: i would have tried /foo/bar/direct~1 |
| 16:56.47 | nick125_eee | haha |
| 16:56.50 | Tene | I haven't seen that yet. |
| 16:58.10 | herlo | vontrapp: how much would HP charge you? |
| 16:59.17 | findlay | vontrapp: no, it's \FOO\BAR\DIREC~1\ |
| 16:59.34 | findlay | s//T/ |
| 16:59.41 | nick125_eee | I should be a RAID assembly expert by the time this box is working |
| 16:59.58 | Tene | The other weird thing I see is, like, for the path /net/server1/var/ftp/pub, cd /net; cd /server1; cd /var; ... |
| 17:00.22 | Tene | ALWAYS putting a leading / on EVERY path. |
| 17:00.25 | findlay | I'm a wheel assembly expert now that my car's back together |
| 17:00.32 | findlay | Tene: ha |
| 17:01.42 | vontrapp | herlo: $220+ |
| 17:02.31 | herlo | vontrapp: oh, I was *way* off! |
| 17:02.51 | herlo | vontrapp: offer them $45 and a stick of gum, they'll go for it! |
| 17:05.56 | vontrapp | what are the chances of converting my laptop screen to a desktop screen? |
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| 17:10.58 | ^Migs^ | this sucks. The doctor thinks my eye is rejecting my first cornea transplant. |
| 17:12.43 | vontrapp | oh cool: http://tinyurl.com/2uuk3a |
| 17:13.31 | ^Migs^ | GENUINE hp lcd screen hinges |
| 17:13.31 | ^Migs^ | hahaha |
| 17:15.50 | tensai | ~lart candy |
| 17:15.50 | ibot | shoots candy in his sleep |
| 17:16.44 | vontrapp | i'm bidding for a whole screen though for not much more, so we'll see how that turns out |
| 17:17.16 | vontrapp | what? i can't change my max bid?? |
| 17:17.21 | levi | ^Migs^: That does suck. I had cornea transplants, too. |
| 17:17.40 | levi | ^Migs^: Why'd you need the transplant? |
| 17:17.58 | ^Migs^ | kerataconus |
| 17:17.58 | vontrapp | stupid thing should let me change my max bid to what my current bid is! |
| 17:18.01 | ^Migs^ | kerato |
| 17:18.07 | levi | ^Migs^: Me too. |
| 17:18.17 | ^Migs^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:18.40 | vontrapp | would you say php is faster, slower, or same as ruby? |
| 17:18.49 | ^Migs^ | depends |
| 17:18.51 | levi | ^Migs^: First one was back in '96 I think, and the other eye was about a year later. |
| 17:18.54 | ^Migs^ | cool |
| 17:18.58 | ^Migs^ | who was your doctor? |
| 17:18.59 | vontrapp | talking execution speed |
| 17:19.03 | Tene | faster, iirc. |
| 17:19.15 | Tene | Probably varies heavily with usage, though. |
| 17:19.19 | levi | The one in Utah was Dr. Maureen Lundergun, or something like that. |
| 17:19.25 | levi | She's at the Moran Eye Center now. |
| 17:19.25 | ^Migs^ | ah cool |
| 17:19.50 | ^Migs^ | there's only, like, two doctors in Utah who can do the transplant. Dr. Maureen Lundgren and Dr. Corey Miller |
| 17:19.54 | ^Migs^ | I had Miller |
| 17:20.08 | levi | The weird thing is that all the doctors that saw me for the Keratoconus knew each other. |
| 17:20.17 | levi | One was in Virginia, one was in Washington, and one was in Utah. |
| 17:20.28 | ^Migs^ | that's not strange |
| 17:20.29 | vontrapp | i got outbid anyway |
| 17:20.37 | ^Migs^ | I think that's normal in most specialized fields. Everyone knows each other |
| 17:20.47 | levi | So they'd dictate letters to one another when I was in the office. |
| 17:21.02 | vontrapp | i really want to convince my boss to let us do this rewrite in ruby instead of php (currently it's perl) |
| 17:21.07 | levi | Well, hearing them dictate letters to one another with little personal notes was the weird part. |
| 17:21.27 | vontrapp | my only concern in using ruby is speed, and i have to convince myself it won't be a problem before i can convince him :) |
| 17:21.59 | Tene | vontrapp: benchmarks! |
| 17:22.47 | levi | ^Migs^: How long have you had your transplant? |
| 17:23.48 | vontrapp | it's a financial/accounting type program, with lots of db stuff (the biggest reason i want ruby) |
| 17:24.04 | Tene | vontrapp: want ruby because of db stuff? |
| 17:24.08 | Tene | ... oh, over php. |
| 17:24.25 | vontrapp | yeah ;)_ |
| 17:24.43 | Tene | php's database stuff is... painful. |
| 17:26.55 | ^Migs^ | not really |
| 17:27.00 | ^Migs^ | um |
| 17:27.05 | vontrapp | i yes |
| 17:27.07 | vontrapp | yes |
| 17:27.07 | ^Migs^ | my left one, the one that's giving me problems, since Feb 2006 |
| 17:27.09 | vontrapp | that is |
| 17:27.12 | ^Migs^ | right one, since Sep 2007 |
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| 17:27.40 | ^Migs^ | wtf: "AMAZING BUT TRUE There is so much sand in Northern Africa that if it were spread out it would completely cover the Sahara Desert" |
| 17:27.45 | vontrapp | blasted headphones! |
| 17:27.48 | vontrapp | ~lart elg |
| 17:27.48 | ibot | farts in elg's general direction |
| 17:28.09 | vontrapp | ^Migs^: spread out how thin? |
| 17:28.19 | vontrapp | would it be deep as the sahara? |
| 17:28.33 | elg | isn't the sahara basically the bulk of northern africa? |
| 17:28.34 | vontrapp | are you counting dune surface area or just map area? |
| 17:28.42 | ^Migs^ | I don't know, I just got that in an email |
| 17:28.49 | ^Migs^ | and elg is right, that's why I found it funny |
| 17:29.33 | elg | i'm going to get chinese for lunch and enjoy it and there's nothing vontrapp can do about it |
| 17:29.58 | vontrapp | omg! you use so much water when you shower that if you spread it out it would cover your bathtub!! |
| 17:30.15 | elg | and your body |
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| 17:33.27 | ^Migs^ | GUELPH, Ont. -- A 28-year-old man who claimed to be acting out of "curiosity" when he asked seven women to kick him in the groin was sentenced Friday to 60 days in jail. Court heard that during April and May, Jarrett Loft approached women on trails in city parks and asked them to kick him in the groin. One of the women, afraid of what he might do if she refused, kicked him repeatedly. |
| 17:34.15 | levi | That's a pretty dumb thing to ask people to do. |
| 17:35.25 | vontrapp | maybe he has none, and he's in denial, so he thinks if he can feel enough pain he has some |
| 17:35.52 | tensai | why is he guilty of anything though? what was the actual charge? |
| 17:37.54 | ^Migs^ | not sure |
| 17:38.05 | elg | probably sexual harrassment |
| 17:38.25 | ^Migs^ | how is HE sexually harassing anyone? |
| 17:38.31 | levi | Asking a bunch of women to do *anything* to your groin is likely perceived as sexual harassment. |
| 17:38.47 | ^Migs^ | so it would be okay if he asked them to punch him in the face? |
| 17:38.59 | elg | it probably wouldn't be sexual harassment, yes |
| 17:39.07 | ^Migs^ | that's unfair |
| 17:39.18 | levi | How's that unfair? |
| 17:39.20 | elg | why? is your face more sexual than others? |
| 17:39.26 | ^Migs^ | some would say so, yes |
| 17:39.45 | elg | well if you asked random girls to bite your lip, that might be |
| 17:41.00 | elg | if you ask random people to punch you in the face, there may or may not be other issues. like if you look like a scary prison escapee and they are afraid not to comply |
| 17:45.31 | levi | ^Migs^: Did you ever say when you had your transplant? |
| 17:45.41 | ^Migs^ | yes |
| 17:45.46 | ^Migs^ | First one in Feb 2006, second one in Sep 2007 |
| 17:45.53 | levi | I lost my connection, so I didn't see it. |
| 17:46.04 | ^Migs^ | ok |
| 17:46.10 | levi | So you've had most of the stitches out now? |
| 17:46.18 | ^Migs^ | ya |
| 17:46.28 | levi | That was the worst part. |
| 17:46.31 | ^Migs^ | no kidding |
| 17:46.42 | ^Migs^ | although this eye irritation I've had actually hurt as much as right after my second transplant |
| 17:46.57 | levi | Makes for a great story to make people squirm, though. |
| 17:47.21 | ^Migs^ | transplants are so awesome |
| 17:47.32 | levi | Have they got you on an aggressive eyedrop regimen? |
| 17:47.35 | ^Migs^ | and I've never trusted any doctor as much as I do Dr. Miller, and I have a pretty irrational distrust of doctors |
| 17:47.42 | ^Migs^ | not anymore |
| 17:47.54 | ^Migs^ | well, for my irritated eye, in case it IS being rejected, it's back to pred forte |
| 17:48.03 | levi | Right, that's what I meant. |
| 17:48.08 | levi | I hated Pred Forte. |
| 17:48.11 | ^Migs^ | why? |
| 17:48.25 | levi | It always drained from my eyes into my throat and tasted nasty. |
| 17:48.33 | ^Migs^ | ew |
| 17:48.34 | ^Migs^ | how? |
| 17:48.35 | ^Migs^ | EW |
| 17:48.38 | ^Migs^ | that never happened to me |
| 17:48.48 | ^Migs^ | that doesn't sound right |
| 17:48.54 | levi | Heh. |
| 17:49.24 | levi | Your eyes have drainage into your sinuses. That's why you get a runny nose when you cry. |
| 17:49.51 | ^Migs^ | ah |
| 17:50.01 | ^Migs^ | makes sense |
| 17:50.59 | ^Migs^ | anyone want a cheap MP3 player for their kid? http://www.woot.com/ |
| 17:51.01 | synic | this whole conversation sounds expensive. |
| 17:52.20 | levi | ^Migs^: I had to go back to the ophthalmologist office irregularly but typically every couple of months for years to get bits of stitches out of my eyes as they'd break loose and pop up to the surface. |
| 17:52.32 | ^Migs^ | gross |
| 17:52.35 | ^Migs^ | I haven't had that happen |
| 17:52.42 | ^Migs^ | actually, I take that back |
| 17:52.59 | ^Migs^ | it's happened, but hasn't been painful. He just gently tugs out some stitches whenever I go in |
| 17:53.21 | levi | The body slowly breaks down the nylon or whatever, but also covers it in a layer of cells so it's hard to get to. |
| 17:53.43 | ^Migs^ | you know much more about this than I do |
| 17:53.57 | levi | So they'd be unable to remove some of the stitches, and I'd have to just wait for them to break and pop up, at which point I'd feel like I had a particularly big grain of sand in my eye. |
| 17:54.25 | ^Migs^ | I've never even heard of this |
| 17:54.31 | ^Migs^ | maybe they have better techniques now |
| 17:54.43 | levi | I think my eyes may be more sensitive than most. I couldn't tolerate wearing rigid contact lenses all day. |
| 17:55.07 | ^Migs^ | maybe |
| 17:55.12 | ^Migs^ | I haven't had a problem adjusting to them, for the most part |
| 17:55.31 | ^Migs^ | I've basically just started rewearing them for a few days, and I can already go most of the day with them in |
| 17:55.44 | ^Migs^ | kind of uncomfortable, but not bad |
| 17:55.49 | levi | I'd take them out at the end of the day and my eyes would be completely bloodshot and sore. |
| 17:56.07 | levi | Hmm, they told me not to wear contacts after my transplants because they could trigger rejection. |
| 17:56.19 | vontrapp | hopes he just maintains his perfect vision (w/ minor astigmatism) for a looong time |
| 17:56.36 | ^Migs^ | ya |
| 17:56.41 | levi | vontrapp: Your chances of contracting keratoconus are pretty rare. :) |
| 17:56.43 | ^Migs^ | it's just now I can start wearing them in my right (most recent) eye |
| 17:57.00 | vontrapp | well even contacts sound scary to me |
| 17:57.08 | ^Migs^ | soft contacts are great |
| 17:57.10 | levi | vontrapp: The soft contacts don't seem too bad. |
| 17:57.13 | ^Migs^ | I'd recommend them |
| 17:57.22 | levi | It's the rigid gas-permeable ones that I hate with a passion. |
| 17:57.30 | ^Migs^ | though if glasses work, go with that |
| 17:57.45 | ^Migs^ | yeah, they're a pain to get used to |
| 17:57.59 | ^Migs^ | with keratoconus, you NEED hard contacts |
| 17:58.14 | levi | I never could. I eventually just wore one in my worst eye, since I couldn't handle wearing both. |
| 17:58.30 | ^Migs^ | wow |
| 17:58.31 | ^Migs^ | do you still do that? |
| 17:58.42 | levi | No, I don't have contacts at all. |
| 17:59.06 | ^Migs^ | glasses? |
| 17:59.15 | levi | Maybe I could get them now, but I was under the impression that I'd never be able to get them because of the risk of cornea rejection. |
| 17:59.23 | levi | Yeah, I wear glasses. |
| 17:59.33 | ^Migs^ | my astigmatism is too bad for glasses |
| 17:59.35 | ^Migs^ | and lasik is out of the question |
| 18:00.09 | ^Migs^ | it's funny how many people ask me if I now have perfect vision because of my transplants |
| 18:00.11 | levi | My glasses correct for a pretty hefty astigmatism, but at least it's regular now. |
| 18:00.48 | levi | My left eye corrects better than my right eye, unfortunately. |
| 18:01.04 | ^Migs^ | my left eye was always my worst one |
| 18:01.19 | levi | My left eye was worst pre-transplant. |
| 18:01.36 | levi | Had all sorts of scar tissue, and was too cone-shaped to fit a contact for. |
| 18:01.47 | sjansen | My cat's breath smells like cat food. |
| 18:01.57 | levi | Couldn't really see the big E on the eye charts. |
| 18:01.58 | ^Migs^ | is this surpising, sjansen? |
| 18:02.08 | ^Migs^ | I still can barely see the big E |
| 18:02.16 | levi | sjansen's breath smells like sjansen food. |
| 18:03.44 | ^Migs^ | http://www.thelocal.se/7869/20070712/ |
| 18:04.03 | vontrapp | my brother had one bad eye when he was little which went uncorrected and his brain eventually learned to shut off one eye, now only one of his eyes is working at any given time |
| 18:04.08 | levi | ^Migs^: That sucks. I guess it's kind of a crap shoot as to what kind of vision you're going to end up with post-op, since they have to guess at how much the curvature of your eye will change after the graft. |
| 18:04.21 | vontrapp | both work, but he has no depth perception |
| 18:04.30 | vontrapp | but i think it's been getting a little better over time |
| 18:04.41 | vontrapp | weird stuff though |
| 18:04.54 | levi | vontrapp: I think if they notice that early enough, they can prescribe an eye patch to help fix it. |
| 18:05.06 | levi | I think a relative of mine had that happen. |
| 18:06.13 | vontrapp | it was fun to tease him with those magic eye images |
| 18:06.40 | vontrapp | actually we didn't tease him, i felt bad that he couldn't see it |
| 18:06.48 | vontrapp | same thing with the 3-d glasses |
| 18:06.56 | levi | I was never very good at stereograms because my eyes had very different vision. |
| 18:07.34 | unum | I can't do the magic eye stuff |
| 18:07.42 | sjansen | http://www.thelocal.se/10810/20080331/ |
| 18:08.30 | sjansen | Magic eye is a lie. Because I'm too sane to invent illusions, I can't see them. |
| 18:09.33 | ^Migs^ | I never could do magic eye stuff either |
| 18:09.58 | goozbach | magic eye? |
| 18:10.09 | goozbach | the blotches of colors? |
| 18:10.12 | goozbach | I like those |
| 18:10.16 | RyanE | I can do magic eye on floor tiles. |
| 18:10.27 | goozbach | they have interesting patterens |
| 18:10.49 | RyanE | but I can also control my eyes semi-independently. |
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| 18:15.42 | tensai | RyanE: are you a chameleon? |
| 18:16.15 | vontrapp | i like looking at those credit card bill barcodes like magic eye |
| 18:16.24 | vontrapp | pretty boring though, mostly they're just flat |
| 18:17.31 | levi | Heh, apparently Brigham Young called pants that button in the front 'fornication pants' when they were first introduced. |
| 18:17.49 | vontrapp | lol |
| 18:18.34 | levi | Previously, pants buttoned on the side, which is apparently why tuxedo pants still have a ribbon on the side. |
| 18:18.58 | RyanE | tensai: no, but long years of practice in elementary school paid off. |
| 18:19.08 | RyanE | I can fake lazy eye pretty well. :) |
| 18:19.23 | RyanE | time to go to lunch. later. |
| 18:28.44 | ^Migs^ | http://www.dailysquib.co.uk/?c=117&a=1242 |
| 18:32.07 | vontrapp | i hate lunch time |
| 18:32.26 | vontrapp | the intarnets are sooo slow at byu then! |
| 18:32.27 | elg | i only hate lunch time when I'm not eating |
| 18:32.39 | vontrapp | and i'm not eating! |
| 18:33.23 | sjansen | ~feed vontrapp |
| 18:33.24 | ibot | ACTION offers vontrapp some horseraddish |
| 18:33.59 | vontrapp | i love horseraddish!! |
| 18:34.02 | vontrapp | ~botsnack |
| 18:34.02 | ibot | vontrapp: thanks |
| 18:34.55 | vontrapp | geez, zv5000 hinges on ebay buy it now are $60, while other models range $7-$20 |
| 18:36.02 | levi | Ahh, the magic of free markets. ;) |
| 18:46.43 | vontrapp | lol, url regexp blocked by byu filters: http://cgi.ebay.com/SCREEN-HINGES-FOR-HP-OMNIBOOK-N-5000-N-5XXX-LAPTOPS_W0QQitemZ8803600928QQihZ013QQcategoryZ31534QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQ_trksidZp1638.m118.l1247QQcmdZViewItem?GBYPASS=21959AFA38D41342DA066FC3454C3DA31206989443 |
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| 18:55.22 | sjansen | vontrapp: That link is decidedly NSFW. |
| 18:55.57 | sjansen | There's a creepy guy in slacks and a tie. |
| 18:56.01 | sjansen | is afraid of ties |
| 18:56.41 | ^Migs^ | and neverending $20 bills |
| 18:58.12 | Tene | Oh, fun. Power failure during class. |
| 18:58.50 | elg | vontrapp: you are so busted. honor code police are tracking you down now |
| 18:59.01 | elg | how dare you shop for pornographic laptops |
| 18:59.26 | elg | decides not to pursue that pun potential |
| 18:59.50 | sjansen | ~soap elg |
| 18:59.50 | ibot | ACTION washes elg's mouth out with a fat bar of pink soap |
| 19:00.11 | sjansen | How boring. |
| 19:02.22 | elg | ~lart cbs |
| 19:02.22 | ibot | takes a rusty axe and swings it violently, taking cbs's head off |
| 19:02.29 | elg | bandwidth issues, and I want my lunchtime macgyver |
| 19:02.29 | findlay | ~wash sjansen |
| 19:02.29 | ibot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on sjansen and says "That was for the smell" |
| 19:02.34 | ^Migs^ | http://www.wired.com/politics/security/news/2008/03/epilepsy |
| 19:05.20 | elg | are you bragging/ |
| 19:08.32 | levi | Cool, Debian maintainers now officially consider the Squeak VM to be open source. |
| 19:08.45 | levi | There were tricky license issues to overcome to get there. |
| 19:09.40 | findlay | ~trick licenses |
| 19:09.41 | ibot | ACTION points licenses the other way and puts a klingon cloak on. |
| 19:11.28 | sjansen | Argh! Bad coder! BAD BAD BAD! |
| 19:12.20 | sjansen | Stupid perl Error with with it's stuipd fakeo exception handing. BAD BAD BAD STUPID BROKEN UGLY WRONG WRONG WRONG!!! |
| 19:14.05 | sjansen | wants to punish someone |
| 19:15.12 | levi | Wow, a brief mailing list flamewar that ends with all parties apologizing to one another and handing out compliments. |
| 19:22.52 | goozbach | methinks I've corrupted my mailstore |
| 19:27.00 | whiteley | levi: which thread? |
| 19:27.12 | sjansen | goozbach: bummer |
| 19:28.41 | goozbach | my "trash" and "junk" folders seem to be currupt |
| 19:28.55 | goozbach | any issue with just doing an rm -rf on em? |
| 19:29.03 | goozbach | (I'm using maildir) |
| 19:30.09 | levi | whiteley: A thread on the seaside mailing list. |
| 19:31.08 | sjansen | You'll want to shutdown your MTA and IMAP/POP server first. Otherwise I think it should be safe. |
| 19:31.10 | levi | whiteley: There's a news summary posting called 'The Weekly Squeak' that's been regularly posted there whenever there's a new issue. This time, someone called the poster out as off-topic, and an argument ensued. |
| 19:31.39 | sjansen | No warranty is expressed or implied. If your server breaks, you get to keep the pieces for free. |
| 19:31.57 | levi | Hmm, gnus doesn't seem to have actually expired any of my old email. I'm not sure I want it to, but I was under the impression that it was going to. |
| 19:32.06 | goozbach | maybe I should make a backup first... |
| 19:32.13 | goozbach | NetAPP to the rescue!!! |
| 19:32.18 | goozbach | snapshots rock |
| 19:32.40 | sontek | real men don't need backups! |
| 19:33.51 | sjansen | Real men are still trying to pick bison out of their teeth with sharp rocks. |
| 19:37.23 | sontek | speaking of real men needing backups, Last weekend I formatted, this weekend I found out I lost my latest screenrc, bashrc, vimrc, and all my tomboy notes |
| 19:37.41 | sontek | needs rsync |
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| 19:45.19 | goozbach | ha ha |
| 19:56.03 | ^Migs^ | http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/tech-news/?p=2134 |
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| 20:23.56 | ^Migs^ | haha, Clinton's campaign is over: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/9274.html |
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| 20:31.47 | tensai | sweet. my hdhomerun arrived. time for some hd recording. |
| 20:31.49 | tensai | oh yeah |
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| 20:31.55 | levi | I love hdhomerun. |
| 20:32.08 | levi | I need to get mine hooked up to my good antenna, though. |
| 20:32.30 | levi | But that will require climbing around in the attic, cutting holes in walls, etc. |
| 20:33.09 | tensai | levi: I stole the coax that the cable company ran. there was a handy dandy little splitter outside. |
| 20:34.38 | fozzmoo | Wow. hdhomerun looks cool. |
| 20:34.39 | elg | so what does the hdhomerun thing do? |
| 20:35.15 | elg | exactly I mean. does it have a HDD? or does it just send the (mpeg2?) signal to myth? |
| 20:35.20 | elg | does it connect by USB or ethernet or something? |
| 20:35.23 | goozbach | sjansen++ |
| 20:35.37 | fozzmoo | gig ethernet. |
| 20:35.37 | RyanE_ | ethernet, mythtv or something else needs to save the stream to disk. |
| 20:36.26 | ^Migs^ | http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/31/lou-dobbs-almost-calls-co_n_94301.html |
| 20:36.32 | ^Migs^ | hahaha. What an idiot. |
| 20:36.35 | elg | what about myth playing back stuff to the tv through that box? |
| 20:36.55 | RyanE | no, it's just a dual HD capture device |
| 20:36.57 | fozzmoo | You don't connect the TV to the box. |
| 20:37.04 | elg | ah ok |
| 20:37.10 | RyanE | but it's relatively cheap for 2 HD tuners |
| 20:37.17 | elg | too bad them coupons probably don't apply |
| 20:37.37 | RyanE | and (although Myth won't support it right now), has the capability to decode subchannels at the same time as the main channel, apparently. |
| 20:37.48 | RyanE | but I don't know how that all works. |
| 20:38.51 | tensai | elg: no, the coupons don't apply. cheapskate. |
| 20:39.26 | elg | proud of it :) |
| 20:39.34 | tensai | as I knew you would be |
| 20:39.49 | elg | just did my taxes. even I am amazed at how little we live on |
| 20:40.02 | elg | rather, how little we comfortably live on (for our definition of comfort) |
| 20:40.22 | tensai | you'd still need some kind of device to display the stream. I built up a myth box. with this last element, it's finally functional. |
| 20:40.31 | elg | cool |
| 20:40.33 | tensai | now all I need is a decent remote control |
| 20:40.50 | elg | i can tell you the model number of the universal I use when I get home |
| 20:40.52 | elg | if you're interested |
| 20:40.54 | elg | use it with lirc |
| 20:43.54 | tensai | elg: that'd be cool |
| 20:44.12 | tensai | elg: what I'm really curious about isn't so much the remote but the receiver. how does the IR get into the computer? |
| 20:45.50 | levi | tensai: I'm using the coax that the satellite company ran, but it doesn't go to the room I want it to. |
| 20:46.07 | levi | And it started out so simple: http://www.levenez.com/unix/history.html |
| 20:46.09 | RyanE | tensai: you can build a serial port receiver with a handful of parts. |
| 20:46.32 | RyanE | tensai: I probably even have one that you can have. You then just have to get LIRC setup properly, which is in itself somewhat of a pain in the butt. |
| 20:47.46 | levi | My case came with an IR receiver, but it actually shows up as two keyboard devices, so I had to do some weirdness to get lirc to work. |
| 20:48.12 | tensai | RyanE: that would be awesome. so with an IR receiver, in theory I could use any remote? |
| 20:48.14 | levi | Better to use a universal remote and a serial IR receiver, probably. :) |
| 20:48.22 | RyanE | tensai: yep. |
| 20:48.37 | levi | elg: You can also watch videos streamed from hdhomerun via VLC. |
| 20:48.39 | RyanE | tensai: you install the LIRC serial driver, and run a learning app. |
| 20:49.17 | tensai | RyanE: I like that. I was considering getting a wireless keyboard, but that's just so big. |
| 20:49.19 | levi | elg: You just run a little command-line app to select the channel and the stream destination, and VLC starts playing it. |
| 20:49.45 | RyanE | I have a wireless keyboard, and it's good for when the myth box is not working quite right, but a remote is much more 'handy'. |
| 20:49.53 | levi | tensai: If you want to just buy something, there are remotes with receivers that they sell for media PCs. |
| 20:50.10 | fozzmoo | Logitech has some nice ones, I hear, if you can spend $100 or so |
| 20:50.29 | fozzmoo | They'll even walk your dog. |
| 20:50.45 | levi | tensai: How beefy is your myth box processor and video card wise? |
| 20:50.48 | tensai | levi: I've looked around at a few but none of them seem to explicitly say "includes USB IR receiver". |
| 20:52.52 | levi | I ended up having to upgrade my box to get HD working well, especially when watching live TV. |
| 20:53.11 | tensai | levi: I can't remember the exact specs. it's an athlon 1800mhz and a geforce 6000. |
| 20:53.25 | levi | Hmm. |
| 20:54.00 | levi | Unless you can get your video card to help out (I didn't have much luck with that) you may be in for an upgrade. |
| 20:54.12 | RyanE | yeah, the HD output is CPU-taxing. |
| 20:54.54 | levi | I upgraded to a dual-core Athlon and a bunch of RAM. |
| 20:55.12 | levi | Fortunately, I was able to re-use the old CPU in a machine I was building for my father-in-law. |
| 20:57.27 | tensai | for now it just needs to do SD output. still need to get an HD display. |
| 20:57.41 | tensai | that will be a while though. still too pricey for me. |
| 20:57.46 | levi | Ahh, okay. |
| 20:58.34 | levi | Some channels are only broadcast in HD, so you'll have to downsample them to play. I'm not sure what kind of effect on CPU that will have. |
| 21:00.49 | tensai | I still may set up a split frontend/backend system. I'm not sure I want this system on all the time, especially since the PSU is a little noisy. |
| 21:08.53 | goozbach | sjansen: thanks for the confidence to blow away my junkmail and trash folders. |
| 21:08.58 | goozbach | it worked |
| 21:09.06 | goozbach | ~karma sjansen |
| 21:09.06 | ibot | sjansen has neutral karma |
| 21:09.23 | sjansen | ~sjansen++ |
| 21:09.24 | goozbach | sjansen++ |
| 21:09.28 | goozbach | ~karma sjansen |
| 21:09.28 | ibot | sjansen has neutral karma |
| 21:09.31 | goozbach | hmm |
| 21:09.40 | goozbach | methinks his karma thingy is broked |
| 21:09.44 | sjansen | goozbach: You're missing a tilde. |
| 21:09.59 | goozbach | ~sjansen++ |
| 21:10.03 | goozbach | ~karma sjansen |
| 21:10.03 | ibot | sjansen has karma of 1 |
| 21:10.09 | sontek | ~sjansen++ |
| 21:10.14 | sontek | ~karma sjansen |
| 21:10.14 | ibot | sjansen has karma of 2 |
| 21:10.15 | sontek | :D |
| 21:10.17 | goozbach | I thought he used to listen to that without the tilde |
| 21:10.59 | goozbach | why4 is debian such a pain on 64bit hardware? |
| 21:11.01 | elg | tensai: http://hans.fugal.net/blog/articles/2006/06/24/ir-receiver |
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| 21:13.40 | elg | it was fun and easy to make, and cheap |
| 21:16.12 | elg | setting up lirc can be a pain, I think I figured in the end the best thing was to pick a preset from the code list, then teach lirc the codes and what they mean |
| 21:16.46 | elg | just assume lirc won't have any remotes out of the box that you can get your hands on |
| 21:17.47 | tensai | elg: can I assemble that if I don't have a soldering iron? |
| 21:18.02 | elg | even I wasn't that cheap |
| 21:18.10 | elg | you can get a soldering iron for $7 |
| 21:18.18 | elg | but yeah, if you had some other way to connect stuff together, sure |
| 21:18.26 | tensai | duct tape? |
| 21:18.38 | elg | well, maybe electrical tape would last longer |
| 21:19.07 | elg | as you can see, there's not a lot of parts: http://lnx.manoweb.com/lirc/mids/components.png |
| 21:19.26 | elg | and you don't have to have it on a breadboard or whatever - so long as the important parts connect and don't connect as appropriate |
| 21:19.59 | tensai | are all these parts available at radio shack? |
| 21:20.03 | elg | yes |
| 21:20.20 | elg | well I assume so, at least by ordering |
| 21:20.28 | elg | I got my parts at central utah electronics supply |
| 21:20.35 | elg | which is an awesome store, but not in central utah |
| 21:20.37 | elg | (south provo) |
| 21:21.20 | tensai | I'm not driving to provo for $10 worth of parts |
| 21:21.33 | elg | :) |
| 21:21.43 | tensai | you still have your geeky version or did you encase it in something durable? |
| 21:21.49 | elg | still geeky |
| 21:21.51 | tensai | I have many small hands in my home |
| 21:21.54 | elg | hanging off my rabbit ears |
| 21:22.06 | elg | well it has a long cat5 cable going to the computer, and it's up high |
| 21:22.23 | findlay | central utah electronics! |
| 21:22.35 | findlay | I go there whenever I get an excuse |
| 21:22.43 | tensai | somehow my 2 yo son got crayons and markers down from a 7 foot high book shelf |
| 21:22.45 | findlay | fun store |
| 21:22.46 | elg | actually come to think of it I might have got the IR receiver itself from radio shack |
| 21:22.49 | tensai | we're still scratching our heads on that one |
| 21:22.53 | elg | heh |
| 21:23.19 | elg | anyway, if you shop araound on their website first, or manage somehow to get someone who knows anything about electronics at your local radio shack |
| 21:23.24 | elg | i'm sure you can get what you need |
| 21:23.41 | tensai | that sounds kinda like fun for a project |
| 21:24.16 | elg | it's a blast |
| 21:24.23 | elg | good first electronics project |
| 21:24.34 | elg | leaves you feeling empowered and wanting more |
| 21:24.40 | elg | like, say, wiring up an organ to be MIDI |
| 21:24.46 | findlay | what if you had an IR remote so powerful you had to plug it in? |
| 21:24.57 | elg | you'd be weird |
| 21:25.00 | findlay | and you could literally feel the radiation it put out? |
| 21:25.07 | findlay | haha |
| 21:25.28 | findlay | mmm, Debussy |
| 21:25.36 | findlay | conducted by Herbie |
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| 21:27.04 | findlay | I've never heard strings so voluptuous than the Berliner Philharmoniker with Herbert von Karajan |
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| 21:29.00 | findlay | elg: you'd think that MIDI by it's name would be a pretty boring, tame protocol |
| 21:29.19 | elg | by its name? |
| 21:30.18 | findlay | back in 1995 my dad furnished out a new high school and as head of the music department it was his job to purchase all the instruments and supplies. One of the things he got was an original model of one of those Roland all-in-one mixer units |
| 21:30.27 | findlay | and it could boot over MIDI :-) |
| 21:30.34 | findlay | although we never tried it |
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| 21:40.37 | sjansen | goozbach: You talking about the lack of multilib? |
| 21:46.31 | goozbach | sjansen: partly that |
| 21:47.04 | goozbach | partly the fact that systemimager (our imaging solution) doesn't have a 64-bit initrd or boot image. |
| 21:47.32 | goozbach | debianistas: what package do I have to install to get g++ and c++ installed? |
| 21:47.40 | goozbach | apt-cache search isn't being helpful |
| 21:49.03 | huslu | g++ ? |
| 21:49.25 | goozbach | doesn't seem to work |
| 21:49.42 | goozbach | WTF, that time it did. |
| 21:49.43 | goozbach | hmm |
| 21:49.46 | goozbach | ??? |
| 21:50.38 | huslu | it's because of me. :) |
| 21:52.49 | goozbach | jerk |
| 21:55.24 | Heartsbane | :) |
| 21:56.43 | Heartsbane | goozbach: typically I just install build-essential, but you might not want all that |
| 21:56.54 | goozbach | really? |
| 21:56.56 | goozbach | hmm |
| 21:57.14 | Heartsbane | just my $0.02 |
| 21:57.16 | goozbach | it might be useful for a staging enviroment, use it to build the debs, then re-install |
| 21:57.26 | Heartsbane | ya |
| 21:57.37 | goozbach | if this build fails, I'll try that |
| 21:57.41 | Heartsbane | k |
| 21:59.14 | Heartsbane | you might want to look at the package and see if you want all that, first |
| 22:02.16 | tensai | apt-get build-dep <package> |
| 22:03.53 | goozbach | tensai: I don't have a package |
| 22:03.59 | goozbach | I'm building a package, from source |
| 22:05.48 | goozbach | bulid failed, but not from a lack of building software. |
| 22:06.01 | goozbach | ANOTHER missing library |
| 22:06.30 | goozbach | ~going to the braves home opener++ |
| 22:06.31 | Heartsbane | watches goozbach explode. |
| 22:06.39 | goozbach | I can't get mad |
| 22:06.42 | goozbach | it's unpossible |
| 22:06.49 | goozbach | I get to go to a braves game. |
| 22:06.54 | goozbach | first base line |
| 22:07.01 | goozbach | FIRST ROW!!! |
| 22:07.04 | Heartsbane | pfffffttttttt Braves |
| 22:07.09 | fozzmoo | Why don't baseball teams have hot cheerleaders? |
| 22:07.18 | goozbach | and the best part... IT'S FREE!!! |
| 22:07.27 | goozbach | fozzmoo: cause you go for the spectators |
| 22:07.32 | goozbach | esp in July |
| 22:07.36 | goozbach | ohh boY! |
| 22:07.44 | Heartsbane | goozbach: cause baseball fans would download in their pants |
| 22:07.46 | goozbach | esp in the south |
| 22:07.51 | fozzmoo | heh. |
| 22:07.51 | goozbach | ohhh boy! |
| 22:08.15 | fozzmoo | watches goozbach explode. |
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| 22:10.03 | goozbach | ohh B?OY!!ADSFDSFAD W@!%QWQFDSQ---EOF... |
| 22:12.04 | nick125 | reassembles goozbach |
| 22:18.38 | goozbach | heads out to the game resembleing something picasso would draw. |
| 22:18.52 | sontek | have gun goozbach ! |
| 22:19.13 | nick125 | hahah |
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| 22:24.00 | goozbach | sontek: they don't allow guns at the field |
| 22:24.13 | goozbach | I even have to take off my multi-tool |
| 22:24.21 | goozbach | thantks for reminding me |
| 22:24.50 | sontek | goozbach: haha, I meant fun =) |
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| 22:33.31 | tensai | elg: thanks for all the links |
| 22:33.47 | elg | np |
| 22:33.58 | elg | if you have any questions... |
| 22:34.11 | tensai | I know, I know. blow them out my ear. |
| 22:35.24 | fozzmoo | heh. |
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| 22:36.49 | keldwud | http://xkcd.com/331/ |
| 22:37.05 | elg | i was going to tell you to cut them out of magazines and paste them on paper and send them to sjansen |
| 22:38.25 | elg | i never laugh at xkcd. it's so obviously photoshopped |
| 22:38.53 | keldwud | heeh |
| 22:39.03 | keldwud | dilvie loved that one |
| 22:39.13 | keldwud | he lol'ed for about 5 minutes when I showed it to him |
| 22:39.29 | elg | that's probably because dilvie is photoshopped too |
| 22:39.40 | elg | you haven't noticed? |
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| 22:42.22 | keldwud | ~irc reading books and making snowmen |
| 22:42.23 | ibot | Oh IRC, why do you distract me so from reading books and making snowmen? |
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| 22:53.13 | keldwud | http://blog.keldwud.org/2008/03/31/radishii-and-eggseses/ |
| 22:53.18 | keldwud | welcome back elg |
| 22:53.37 | keldwud | and now that you mention it, yeah... dilvie *does* look like he might be photoshopped. |
| 22:53.54 | keldwud | I will tell that to him next time I see him, and you do that too. and he will LOL |
| 22:54.27 | keldwud | I'll be like, "Dilvie, you know... the shadows you cast are all wrong, I think you might be photoshopped." |
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| 23:14.50 | rsimpkins | Hi all. hope you're all planning on coming to PLUG April 9th. |
| 23:15.05 | rsimpkins | HP will be presenting on their Linux initiatives and road map. |
| 23:15.24 | rsimpkins | And we just might be able to round up some hardware to show off. ;-) |
| 23:15.37 | sontek | You had me at PLUG! |
| 23:20.46 | nearn | butt? |
| 23:22.45 | keldwud | haha |
| 23:22.50 | keldwud | googles plug |
| 23:23.00 | keldwud | plugh? |
| 23:27.04 | fozzmoo | rsimpkins: That sounds cool. |
| 23:27.26 | fozzmoo | Checker has 4000W generator for $199 after rebate. |
| 23:27.35 | fozzmoo | Just FYI |
| 23:27.55 | fozzmoo | and 9-LED flashlights: 2 for $5! |
| 23:27.59 | fozzmoo | (if you buy two) |
| 23:31.25 | keldwud | oh hey, I can use the generator to power my new led flashlights! |
| 23:31.26 | keldwud | hehe |
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| 23:55.11 | findlay | yummy |
| 23:55.28 | findlay | is eating whole wheat pasta with cheese and sliced plums |
| 23:56.49 | keldwud | findlay: sounds good |
| 23:56.57 | keldwud | I have some pears I need to eat today |
| 23:57.03 | keldwud | romorrow at the latest |
| 23:57.18 | keldwud | did you see the eggs I made myself for lunch? |
| 23:58.00 | findlay | no |
| 23:58.28 | keldwud | http://blog.keldwud.org/2008/03/31/radishii-and-eggseses/ |
| 23:58.42 | keldwud | I am so much of a geek I had to take a picture of my food |
| 23:58.44 | keldwud | and then post it |
| 23:58.57 | findlay | that's so Tesla |
| 23:59.15 | keldwud | I'm not familiar with using Tesla in that context |
| 23:59.52 | keldwud | what characteristics did I display that are deserving of being called "so Tesla?" |
