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| 02:35.44 | mrpull-x | good evening |
| 02:43.59 | sontek | hey =) |
| 03:39.25 | sontek | any of you guys mutt users? i'm trying to customize my mutt a bit and can't figure out why folder view with %N doesn't show if the folder has new messages but sidebar does |
| 03:39.43 | sontek | and the message is marked 'N' when I drill into the folder |
| 03:40.01 | sontek | never really cared before, but now that I noticed, its bugging me :P |
| 03:51.46 | findlay | sontek: I don't know about your particular problem, but mutt tends to be tricky to configure |
| 03:54.45 | sontek | findlay: I have a pretty decent understanding of muttrc, I built my hold config from the manpage, but this just doesn't make sense (according to the man page) |
| 03:54.51 | sontek | and I think its actually google's fault |
| 03:54.53 | sontek | but want to make sure |
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| 03:55.24 | sontek | If I remember right, Thunderbird had this same issue (where messages aren't considered 'new' when coming in, because gmail doesn't mark them properly) |
| 03:55.25 | findlay | there are lots of excellent muttrc examples and resources online |
| 03:56.04 | sontek | but what confuses me is mutts sidebar and index view are handling what is considered new differently than folder view |
| 03:56.07 | sontek | and that just seems silly |
| 03:56.18 | elg | ~lart gnuplot |
| 03:56.18 | ibot | installs a bad bootloader on gnuplot and turns gnuplot into a brick |
| 03:56.19 | findlay | I know, I've noticed that oo |
| 03:56.22 | elg | what dismal reporting |
| 03:56.31 | findlay | but the sidebar isn't part of mutt proper |
| 03:56.33 | findlay | or is it? |
| 03:57.01 | sontek | I don't know if it ever made it into mutt itself, but suse at least patches it with it |
| 03:57.22 | sontek | mutt -v has patch-1.5.16.sidebar.20070704.txt |
| 03:57.27 | sontek | so looks like they just patch it in |
| 03:58.45 | findlay | I guess that shows you you can't disregard your users because eventually they will start doing what they want anyway and you'll have to acomodate for it |
| 03:59.20 | sontek | I never followed their reasoning for not including the patch, its a great feature |
| 03:59.33 | sontek | especially for users who came from thunderbird/evolution/gmail/etc.. |
| 04:00.13 | sontek | It could definitely be improved on, like properly showing embedded folders |
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| 05:01.25 | levi | I could never really get into mutt. I used it for a long time, but it never really clicked with me. |
| 05:03.11 | sontek | levi: its the only client with real threading support that I've found |
| 05:05.38 | Sargun | http://www.catonmat.net/blog/musical-geek-friday-crypto/ < - awesome. |
| 05:05.45 | Sargun | Direct link to MP3: http://www.catonmat.net/download/crypt-o.mp3 |
| 05:07.23 | levi | sontek: gnus has real threading support. |
| 05:07.34 | levi | But you have to be able to deal with emacs to use it. |
| 05:07.52 | nick125 | Why would you need thre...nevermind. different type of threading (I think). |
| 05:08.15 | sontek | levi: I've never used emacs, but not because I don't like it, just used vim first :P |
| 05:08.25 | sontek | nick125: haha, yeah |
| 05:08.32 | sontek | nick125: threading like showing what messages relate to each other |
| 05:13.31 | encryptz | still is learning mutt |
| 05:18.37 | Sargun | nick125, ithreads |
| 05:19.36 | sontek | I figured out the issue with mutt |
| 05:19.58 | sontek | I had to use the source :P |
| 05:20.10 | sontek | turns out it checks file access times in folder view (silly thing) |
| 05:20.24 | sontek | and gmail seems to 'touch' everything that comes in |
| 05:26.50 | sontek | only issue with that is theres no way to say 'mark folder as having new, if it has messages in it that are marked new' |
| 05:27.14 | sontek | it only marks it either by file access time or folder size |
| 05:27.23 | sontek | and it compares those against the last time you went into the folder |
| 05:34.48 | nick125 | I wonder how much a gig stick of RAM for my eee would be |
| 06:31.05 | Sargun | nick125, I am pretty sure the E3PC has soldered RAM |
| 06:31.20 | nick125 | Sargun: The Surf models do, but the non-surf models have slots |
| 06:31.21 | Sargun | There were a couple people who modded the board |
| 06:32.39 | Sargun | I was looking at RAM for embedded boards |
| 06:32.44 | Sargun | for some reason they cost a lot |
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| 17:41.26 | findlay | ~seenspr |
| 17:41.28 | findlay | ~seen spr |
| 17:41.30 | ibot | spr <n=spr@c-71-204-145-142.hsd1.ca.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 166d 19h 52m 6s ago, saying: 'herlo: I can't tonight, tomorrow or wednesday?'. |
| 17:42.36 | findlay | man |
| 17:43.15 | findlay | search on lds.org is awful |
| 17:45.42 | nearn | hehe sucker. |
| 18:09.46 | nick125 | finally dumped that garbage called wpa_supplicant |
| 18:13.22 | nearn | I really need to re do my moms network here. |
| 18:13.32 | nearn | wireless B. so lame. |
| 18:14.10 | nick125 | nearn: If you do redo it, don't use wpa_supplicant. A message from the People Against wpa_supplicant. |
| 18:14.32 | nearn | ohh I know |
| 18:14.44 | nearn | wep all the way. |
| 18:14.45 | nearn | hehe |
| 18:15.25 | nick125 | For some reason, wpa_supplicant kept thinking that my card deassociated and kept reassociating every 30 seconds - 2 minutes. |
| 18:15.49 | nearn | what card are you using? |
| 18:15.58 | nearn | and I assume its in linux right? |
| 18:16.15 | nick125 | Atheros AR5007EG, I believe |
| 18:16.52 | nearn | I never have used one of those. its a prisim 2 chip set right? |
| 18:16.59 | nick125 | Atheros chipset |
| 18:18.45 | nick125 | http://madwifi.org/ticket/1679 |
| 18:19.08 | nearn | yeah, I am not a fan of madwifi. |
| 18:19.32 | nearn | I allways go with something prisim based so I can build the support into the kernel. |
| 18:20.35 | nick125 | Well, the bad thing about this card is that it requires a binary-only patch to madwifi. |
| 18:24.18 | nearn | lame. |
| 18:25.24 | nearn | the best card I have ever used is the Cisco Aironet 350 |
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| 18:33.14 | nick125 | I had really good luck with my last Atheros card.. |
| 18:33.25 | nick125 | It was natively supported by madwifi, though. |
| 18:34.21 | herlo | loves madwifi |
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| 19:06.11 | vontrapp | 4 years ago i got a laptop with 1920x1200 for $1400 or so |
| 19:06.27 | vontrapp | 4 years later, i still can't find one for < $1000? |
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| 19:14.36 | Tene | itsafozz |
| 19:21.41 | vontrapp | so i might end up getting a new laptop, i definately want 1920x1200 at least, what brands does anyone recommend? |
| 19:23.18 | Tene | lenovo |
| 19:23.46 | nick125 | I've heard good things about Lenovo and Asus (Asus stuff is more build-it-yourself, even though they do have some prebuilt stuff) |
| 19:29.33 | vontrapp | i like build it yourself |
| 19:29.49 | nick125 | Then yeah, look at an asus barebones laptop. |
| 19:30.37 | vontrapp | as long as it's cheaper, if it's cheaper for a prebuilt i might go with that (depending on what options there are) |
| 19:53.19 | vontrapp | maybe i'll just go with a new screen for my desktop instead |
| 20:16.16 | findlay | has 1920x1440 |
| 20:17.05 | findlay | at work :( |
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| 20:26.16 | findlay | ~onjoin findlay doomsday particles! |
| 20:26.16 | ibot | ok, findlay |
| 20:27.16 | nick125_treo | anyone here have an ORelly Safari subscription? I'm wondering if its worth the $$. |
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| 21:05.21 | keldwud | hmm, redbeard. I know a couple redbeards |
| 21:05.28 | Heartsbane | isn't that some sorta carmel topping made from goats milk? |
| 21:05.37 | Heartsbane | cajeta that is |
| 21:26.23 | sontek | If you can't order it by a number while in your car, I haven't had it! |
| 21:26.27 | sontek | ;) |
| 21:26.51 | nick125 | haha |
| 21:27.27 | Sargun | nick125, What's up |
| 21:27.33 | nick125 | Sargun: not much |
| 21:27.35 | nick125 | you? |
| 21:27.41 | Sargun | Amazing Shot! |
| 21:27.47 | Sargun | er, wrong window |
| 21:27.52 | nick125 | lol |
| 21:28.01 | findlay | ~window Sargun |
| 21:28.52 | keldwud | hey so what's this channel for anyway? my buddy told me to come hang here |
| 21:29.29 | Sargun | People interested in Open Source -- primarily for PLUG/Utahnians/X-Utahnians |
| 21:29.40 | findlay | no way |
| 21:29.42 | nick125 | Sargun: Where do you fit in? |
| 21:29.47 | findlay | this channel is strictly offtopic |
| 21:29.49 | findlay | :) |
| 21:30.04 | Sargun | nick125, Somewhere in the dashes. |
| 21:30.27 | nick125 | watches some guy complain that he can't install PHP and MySQL on his WRT54GL |
| 21:30.36 | Sargun | o.O |
| 21:30.43 | Sargun | Channel to lulz at him in? |
| 21:30.59 | nick125 | Okay, it's just php at the moment, but #openwrt |
| 21:53.24 | levi | Grr, it bugs the crap out of me when I see Mormons claiming that stuff they happen to like must be 'inspired'. |
| 21:56.03 | Sargun | TThings like what |
| 21:56.34 | levi | I saw some quote of Matt Asay where he said the concept of open source software was inspired. |
| 21:58.23 | Heartsbane | Matt Asay said that? |
| 21:59.55 | Sargun | o.O That's disturbing |
| 22:11.40 | nick125 | http://img253.imageshack.us/my.php?image=clintontaxesvo9.jpg |
| 22:21.41 | Sargun | SFW? |
| 22:22.21 | nick125 | yeah |
| 22:23.28 | Sargun | lulz |
| 22:31.49 | nick125 | I hate FF3. |
| 22:32.30 | nick125 | It uses up so much CPU, it's insane. |
| 22:33.59 | elg | vontrapp: because it's supply and demand. not everyone is as insane as you AND has perfect vision |
| 22:45.36 | elg | findlay: i guess they got it |
| 22:45.43 | elg | is looking at some pics now |
| 22:45.49 | elg | apparently the thing already does MIDI |
| 22:45.54 | elg | there goes my fun project. |
| 22:49.25 | elg | http://foton.fugal.net/album/114 |
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| 23:10.49 | Sargun | peno, any relation to Peano? |
| 23:11.26 | Sargun | nick125, run it on that fat server you have |
| 23:12.05 | peno | Sargun: nope |
| 23:12.49 | Sargun | peno, Then where did you get that nickname from? |
| 23:13.07 | peno | shortened version of jalapeno |
| 23:14.33 | nick125 | Sargun: lol |
| 23:15.43 | Sargun | peno, Why not Jala? |
| 23:15.58 | peno | dunno. |
| 23:28.01 | findlay | elg: awesome |
| 23:29.45 | findlay | where is the first picture at? |
| 23:30.37 | findlay | ~x it en peno |
| 23:31.19 | findlay | Sargun: how do you know anything about Peano? |
| 23:32.57 | Sargun | Peano curves - I had to study them |
| 23:34.08 | findlay | Whitehead and Russel used Peano notation in Principia Mathematic |
| 23:34.09 | findlay | a |
| 23:35.58 | findlay | nick125: I haven't noticed much resource improvements in ff3 over ff2 |
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| 23:51.57 | elg | findlay: my parent's basement |
| 23:52.07 | elg | there's more now, up close on the glowing electronics |
| 23:59.49 | findlay | not a full set of pedals |
