| 00:10.54 | elg | whistles |
| 00:11.25 | elg | I just looked at the MIDI stuff at organworks.com. Can you say expensive? |
| 00:12.09 | elg | looks like I'll probably be rolling my own. get out the soldering gun and microcontrollers |
| 00:12.14 | nick125 | haha |
| 00:13.30 | elg | i'm not sure how much PICs or whatever I'd need are, and getting set up to program them, but I can't imagine the cost coming anywhere near $1k |
| 00:20.40 | nick125 | elg: AVRs are easier ;-) |
| 00:20.51 | elg | see I don't even know the acronyms |
| 00:21.52 | Supaplex | mmmm atmel. yumm |
| 00:21.59 | Supaplex | er I mean apt |
| 00:22.57 | nick125 | lol |
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| 01:34.59 | nick125 | The difficulty of initial setup and performance are not really of a concern as much as the friendliness of adding content and media. |
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| 02:34.41 | sargun_screen | nick125: performance and acalability. |
| 02:45.02 | findlay | To the max! |
| 03:10.40 | Supaplex | finished backported sid nvidia-kernel-source and deps to etch. |
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| 03:10.45 | Supaplex | s/ed/ing/ |
| 03:11.53 | vontrapp | bah! everytime i try to play a flash video, firefox freezes up hardcore |
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| 03:25.59 | levi | vontrapp: Hardcore! |
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| 03:36.59 | levi | So, what's everyone up to tonight? |
| 03:37.37 | sontek | writing some jquery scripts and cleaning up some code |
| 03:37.41 | sontek | you? |
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| 03:41.13 | elg | wondering how I might generate MIDI messages for 3 61-key keyboards and one 32-key pedalboard using something like an arduino (which has only 13 I/O ports) |
| 03:42.15 | levi | Is MIDI a serial protocol? |
| 03:43.12 | elg | yes |
| 03:46.11 | fozzmoo | elg: MIDI is designed to be daisychained. |
| 03:47.24 | elg | yes, but I'm not designed to fork out $35 * 5 * 4 to daisy chain 20 arduinos together. |
| 03:49.40 | levi | I'm not sure why you'd need 20 when you've got 13 GPIO ports. |
| 03:49.45 | Supaplex | ibot: 35 * 5 * 4 |
| 03:49.46 | ibot | 700 |
| 03:52.32 | levi | Apparently MIDI lines are supposed to be hooked up via optoisolators. |
| 03:52.39 | elg | what's that? |
| 03:52.52 | elg | am i wrong that I'd need to use one port for each key? |
| 03:52.57 | elg | on/off |
| 03:55.55 | Supaplex | optoisolators electrically isolate devices via optical/electrical coupling. like infrared trasnmitter and receiver pairs. |
| 03:56.23 | levi | elg: You need one GPIO port per MIDI device. |
| 03:56.49 | levi | So, depending on the efficiency of your program, you could run 13 devices. |
| 03:56.54 | elg | that would be the case if I had midi devices to start with |
| 03:57.10 | elg | but the goal is precisely to make midi devices |
| 03:57.28 | levi | Oh, you want to interpret MIDI and run the hardware. |
| 03:57.56 | elg | yeah i want to generate midi events. the keyboards/pedalboard aren't midi devices (yet) |
| 03:57.58 | levi | Well, you can hook up muxes to the GPIOs. |
| 03:58.22 | elg | what's a mux? |
| 03:58.29 | levi | Ah, you want to read inputs from keys and send out MIDI. |
| 03:58.46 | elg | yup |
| 03:59.19 | levi | A multiplexer. It takes a binary encoding from n lines as input, and maps to 2^n outputs. |
| 04:00.27 | levi | That might work for outputs, but probably not for inputs. |
| 04:00.37 | elg | and the reverse is possible I'm sure. yeah, that was my first thought - 61 keys, 6 bits, totally set. but then I realized that isn't enough info |
| 04:02.08 | levi | Actually, I described a demuxer, and you'd want a muxer. |
| 04:03.50 | elg | daisy chaining would probably work if it were bare cheap parts. PICs or whatever |
| 04:06.55 | levi | Do you recall the frequency MIDI runs at? |
| 04:07.05 | levi | You could to time-division multiplexing. |
| 04:09.36 | elg | 31250 baud |
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| 04:12.12 | sontek | sorry |
| 04:12.15 | sontek | dog + keyboard |
| 04:12.44 | Supaplex | haha |
| 04:14.55 | Sargun | lol |
| 04:14.59 | levi | Okay, how about this.... |
| 04:15.58 | levi | Hmm, I'll have to think more about it first. |
| 04:16.04 | Supaplex | ~bore levi |
| 04:16.05 | ibot | "levi, here we are in the sausage factory; the sausages rest on the smoking racks before being cured..." |
| 04:20.19 | levi | elg: Okay, if you can poll muxes faster than the MIDI resolution, you might be able to make it work. |
| 04:23.45 | levi | http://www.micrel.com/_PDF/HBW/sy10-100e155.pdf |
| 04:24.30 | elg | ah, latching. that could work |
| 04:25.33 | levi | Hmm, that one's a bunch of 2:1 muxes. |
| 04:26.27 | elg | i think the processor is 16 mhz, it seems like that ought to be fast enough |
| 04:27.11 | elg | probably wouldn't even need to latch |
| 04:27.39 | levi | I'm not sure latching outputs would help, either. |
| 04:28.21 | elg | well, fun thought experiments. it's a ways down the road anywya |
| 04:28.24 | elg | night |
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| 05:36.23 | dataw0lf | dang what's the hate for grape juice? Three of my friends turned down an offer because it's "no good". |
| 05:36.26 | dataw0lf | Whatever. More for me. |
| 05:38.16 | Supaplex | abruptly pulls dataw0lf's grape juice from his hands, making a big mess, and finishing off the last of it *gulp* ahhhh thanks. ;) |
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| 06:12.10 | findlay | ~random |
| 06:15.20 | findlay | mrpull-lt: are you going to make it to the next Plug meeting? :) |
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| 12:31.45 | elg | levi: http://www.headfuzz.co.uk/midihack1?q=midihack2 |
| 12:50.47 | elg | with that idea (extending it with some and gates for more Ix lines), I could do the whole thing with one board. the only limitation being how quickly you can scan them |
| 12:59.01 | elg | make that a demux actually |
| 13:01.27 | elg | midi events take .5ms to transmit, and the human ear (except maybe some freaks) doesn't have any problem with hearing say 10 notes simultaneously at that rate, so I don't think scanning 215 keys (basically time-division multiplexing) that way will be a problem |
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| 13:26.35 | elg | ~lart emcnabb |
| 13:26.35 | ibot | whips out a hot clue gun and makes sure that emcnabb is stuck to the floor |
| 13:26.55 | emcnabb | elg, be nice |
| 13:30.34 | elg | ~hug |
| 13:30.35 | ibot | ACTION hugs elg |
| 13:34.28 | elg | http://www.core77.com/competitions/greenergadgets/projects/4673/ |
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| 15:00.43 | Supaplex | ~lart kinky pipes |
| 15:00.43 | ibot | calls kinky pipes on the phone ... the lights are on but nobody's home |
| 15:01.03 | Shadowwire | Kinky pipes? |
| 15:01.59 | Shadowwire | I think that the founding fathers meant for individuals to have the Right to bear arms. |
| 15:02.49 | Supaplex | bear is too furry. |
| 15:08.46 | tensai | gives findlay octopus arms |
| 15:09.12 | unum | I think more training should be required to own a gun |
| 15:09.40 | unum | someone in here said there was a training class in order to get the carry permit |
| 15:09.54 | unum | how do they do that with all the out of staters? |
| 15:13.40 | tensai | idaho requires a hunters ed class in order to get a hunting license |
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| 15:24.06 | levi | ~slay elg |
| 15:24.07 | ibot | ACTION brandishes Excalibur! "With this sword, I vanquish thee, elg!" apt lops off elg's head. |
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| 15:24.17 | levi | ~slay elg |
| 15:24.17 | ibot | ACTION brandishes Excalibur! "With this sword, I vanquish thee, elg!" apt lops off elg's head. |
| 15:24.32 | levi | elg: Your little problem kept me up half the night. :P |
| 15:24.44 | elg | haha. sorry |
| 15:24.51 | elg | did you come to resolution? |
| 15:24.59 | levi | Well, I came up with a few possible solutions. |
| 15:25.12 | elg | any better than the matrix? |
| 15:25.14 | levi | It turns out that the Atmega168 is actually only $4 or so. |
| 15:25.51 | elg | right, I know those things are cheap. what I don't know anything about is how to use them. I know you need some kind of programmer, but I don't know if they need any sort of bootloader or whatever |
| 15:26.05 | levi | No, just a programmer. |
| 15:26.19 | levi | Unless you are a total wuss and need the Arduino stuff to hold your hand. ;) |
| 15:26.33 | elg | :) |
| 15:27.22 | elg | the arduino looks really nice, but if I got one it'd sure be cool to be able to use it for future tinkering, and not tie it up permanently in the insides of my organ. can it be used to program an atmega168 to survive on its own? |
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| 15:30.02 | levi | http://www.scienceprog.com/simplest-128-atmega-programmer/ |
| 15:30.57 | levi | http://www.digitalworld.tv/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=79 |
| 15:31.07 | levi | A programmer for them is not very expensive. |
| 15:32.02 | elg | does the programmer require windows? |
| 15:32.13 | levi | Dunno. |
| 15:32.30 | elg | probably. minor inconvenience if it works in vmware, I guess |
| 15:32.33 | Supaplex | my programmer only required a serial port and minicom |
| 15:32.51 | levi | http://dubel.org/atmel/ |
| 15:33.22 | levi | Apparently PonyProg2000 runs on Windows and Linux. |
| 15:34.42 | levi | Apparently the JTAG programmer is about $50, but it lets you debug. |
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| 15:36.24 | elg | fun |
| 15:36.42 | elg | now if the organ I wanted to play with wasn't 800 miles away |
| 15:37.01 | eggyknap | wants a new organ |
| 15:37.03 | elg | hm, I have two MIT MiniBoards that I seem to have inherited with this office |
| 15:37.17 | levi | What's on a MIT MiniBoard? |
| 15:37.35 | Supaplex | eggyknap: need a transplant? ;) |
| 15:37.52 | eggyknap | Not that kind :) |
| 15:37.59 | Supaplex | hahaha |
| 15:38.07 | elg | a little robot controller apparently. it has an ethernet port, a motorola chip of some sort |
| 15:38.24 | elg | and a bunch of ports, though I don't yet know if they're GPIO |
| 15:39.02 | levi | Can you tell the model number on the motorola chip? |
| 15:39.38 | elg | ah, that ethernet-shaped connector is actually serial |
| 15:39.58 | levi | I hate RJ45 serial ports. |
| 15:40.08 | levi | There's no standard for wiring them. |
| 15:40.09 | elg | mc68hc811e2fn |
| 15:40.38 | elg | well the pinout is on the back, which is how I know it's serial |
| 15:41.03 | elg | " * uses Motorola 68hc811e2 microprocessor with 2048 bytes of |
| 15:41.03 | elg | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:41.08 | elg | that's for the version 2.0, this is 2.1 |
| 15:41.42 | elg | http://www.cs.uml.edu/~fredm/cher/projects/miniboard/gen-info.txt |
| 15:42.07 | elg | make that rj11 |
| 15:42.31 | levi | That's odd. |
| 15:44.43 | levi | Pretty old chip. |
| 15:45.05 | levi | It was discontinued in Dec 2000. |
| 15:45.19 | Supaplex | heh |
| 15:45.36 | elg | 8 analog inputs, 8 digital inputs, control 4 dc motors with pcm |
| 15:45.39 | elg | er, pwm |
| 15:45.51 | fozzmoo | PCM would be cool. |
| 15:45.58 | fozzmoo | ;-) |
| 15:45.58 | elg | not really ideal for this project, though probably nice for controlling robots :) |
| 15:46.05 | Supaplex | levi: sure there's a rj45 standard for serial. there's so many to chose from |
| 15:46.25 | levi | Here's some good stuff for programming Atmel parts in Linux: http://www.bdmicro.com/devtools/ |
| 15:48.59 | levi | Oh geez, the HC68HC11 has a whole *7* registers, including the program counter and stack pointer. |
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| 15:50.26 | sjansen | ASN.1: a language like XML, except that instead of data interchange, its goal is to amplify the pain of dealing with DER. The reason your SNMP agent still has stack overflows in 2006. -- http://www.matasano.com/log/178/recover-a-private-key-from-process-memory/ |
| 15:51.09 | tensai | rj45 serial is convenient, but yeah there are just way too many. db-9 suffers the same problem. I know I have at least 4 different serial cables which are completely incompatible. |
| 15:52.04 | levi | Well, when you get into null-modem cables, things differ in what's crossed over. But there's a standard RS232 serial port pin-out for DB9. |
| 15:53.28 | RyanE | Then you get some manufacturers, who decide that since they're only using 3-pin serial, they'll use the other 6 for another purpose (contact inputs for an audio switch in one case). If you try and use a standard DB-9 on it, bad things happen. |
| 15:54.45 | levi | Ahh, heh. |
| 15:55.19 | Supaplex | fun^3 |
| 15:56.48 | brasto | TimRiker: do you already have a feature request for infobot to do a google i'm feeling lucky for ~google <somewords>? |
| 15:57.56 | levi | sjansen: I'm not sure that makes any sense. |
| 15:58.35 | TimRiker | brasto: the google perl module requires a key and google does not give out keys anymore. have to get it back to scraping first. |
| 15:58.54 | levi | sjansen: DER is just a way to encode ASN.1, so it couldn't possibly exist just to make DER difficult. |
| 16:00.01 | brasto | ~lart google for not giving a key to TimRiker |
| 16:00.01 | ibot | acting on orders from an unspecified client drags google into court suing for $200 million for not giving a key to TimRiker |
| 16:00.24 | brasto | ibot, you're cool |
| 16:00.24 | ibot | Of course I am! |
| 16:00.27 | brasto | lol |
| 16:08.36 | levi | elg: Anyway, one option would be to get a couple of PIC16s with 22-23 IO pins, and have each one scan 4 16:1 muxes and send events back to the main MCU via a 2-wire serial bus. |
| 16:11.03 | levi | elg: There are also some dedicated 20-switch key scan controllers. You could hook several of them up on a bus with some addressing and interrupt logic. |
| 16:12.00 | levi | They have an integrated debouncer and 2-key rollover. |
| 16:12.20 | levi | And the outputs are tri-stated for bussing. |
| 16:12.54 | elg | 2-key rollover? |
| 16:13.06 | elg | tri-stated? |
| 16:13.21 | levi | Dude, didn't you pay attention in your EE class? ;) |
| 16:14.06 | levi | tri-state means it's either on, off, or floating. When you float, you don't interfere with other signals on the bus. |
| 16:14.24 | elg | EE class? :) |
| 16:14.40 | levi | elg: Didn't you have to take one for you CS degree at BYU? |
| 16:14.49 | elg | no |
| 16:14.58 | elg | but i had to take 143 twice |
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| 16:15.05 | levi | I didn't, since my CS143 (the one that counted, anyway) covered all that stuff. |
| 16:15.17 | elg | same here |
| 16:15.33 | levi | Well, then, you should have designed a bus with tri-state logic. :) |
| 16:15.46 | elg | i think I did |
| 16:16.05 | elg | so what is that rollover thing? |
| 16:16.26 | RyanE | Back in my day, we didn't do an EE class, but a 'CS Equivalent'... made a sweet Z80 computer with ... a Tape Interface!!! Woo! |
| 16:16.42 | RyanE | can't tell you how useful that's been... :) |
| 16:16.49 | levi | It's something to do with keeping track of 2 simultaneous key presses by recording one after the other. |
| 16:21.00 | levi | Anyway, the key scanner chips aren't really any cheaper than a PIC, so there's not a huge reason to go that way. |
| 16:21.15 | levi | mouser.com is a good site to browse what sort of chips are available. |
| 16:21.53 | Supaplex | RyanE: who taught it? I might know them |
| 16:21.55 | elg | cool |
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| 16:26.59 | levi | So, I went on a little family bike ride yesterday. First time on a bike in quite a few months. My sit-bones are sore! |
| 16:28.02 | RyanE | Supaplex: I don't remember. I had it in summer term, worked on it while I worked in the CS142 labs. |
| 16:28.13 | RyanE | didn't see the instructor much, from what I recall. |
| 16:39.15 | tensai | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZipeaAkuC0 |
| 16:39.19 | tensai | fire made it good |
| 16:45.40 | sjansen | uff da |
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| 16:51.03 | Supaplex | http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2008/03/09/opinion/09opart.large.gif |
| 17:03.34 | nearn | heheh |
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| 17:20.37 | levi | Heh, the only way to the 'GIRLS' circle is by not being exposed to D&D early in life and through the 'Sunlight' box. :) |
| 17:20.48 | Supaplex | haha cool. I got an extra burrito bite in the package. looks like the machines cut it at the wrong spot for the next one, and the whole, and partial one got wrapped up in the same package |
| 17:24.25 | levi | I got free pizza from The Pie. :) |
| 17:26.08 | Supaplex | I can has pizza? |
| 17:26.32 | levi | Supaplex: FAIL |
| 17:27.39 | Supaplex | paper cut from a paper plate. ouch! |
| 17:31.37 | sjansen | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2007/11/07/epic-fail/ |
| 17:33.35 | Supaplex | awesome :) |
| 18:29.55 | dataw0lf | http://groups.google.com/group/bloggerDev/browse_thread/thread/18a6ee8613363f3a Anyone see anything I'm missing in there, possibly? |
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| 19:12.25 | sjansen | What are other geeky numbers besides 42? |
| 19:13.12 | eggyknap | 1337 |
| 19:13.24 | Jayce^ | 3.19... |
| 19:13.47 | eggyknap | Do you mean 3.14... or is 3.19 one I don't know? |
| 19:14.20 | Jayce^ | sorry, fat fingered jumping from the numberpad on one keyboard, to answer a message on another keyboard.. :) |
| 19:14.28 | eggyknap | :) |
| 19:14.58 | eggyknap | had a calculus class back in high school w/ pi out to a whole lotta digits posted around the room, and has failed to forget the first 20 or so. |
| 19:15.31 | Jayce^ | 9th grade math teacher had it.. and I did forget past a few |
| 19:15.50 | Jayce^ | think 5 digits maybe, have to see where I start guessing :) |
| 19:16.32 | RyanE | My Jr. High Calculator told me it was 3.1415927, and it never lied to me. |
| 19:16.52 | eggyknap | :) |
| 19:20.31 | sjansen | just decided to hide his initials in hex |
| 19:27.27 | TimRiker | is there an ekstrom here? |
| 19:38.42 | fungus | http://www.angio.net/pi/piquery |
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| 19:42.13 | trip0 | sontek ping |
| 19:42.25 | sontek | trip0: pong |
| 19:43.24 | trip0 | sontek: what is this mono-mod for apache? does it let me run asp.net on apache? |
| 19:43.37 | sontek | trip0: yeah |
| 19:44.13 | sontek | trip0: its just a apache module for handling asp.net, its works really well |
| 19:44.37 | trip0 | nice :) |
| 19:45.11 | trip0 | how's moonlight support going? |
| 19:46.09 | sontek | They have all the major silverlight demos working |
| 19:46.42 | sontek | The last time I used it, the Firefox plugin was a little slow, but it worked |
| 19:46.50 | trip0 | nice |
| 19:47.07 | sontek | http://www.mono-project.com/Moonlight_1.0_TestSites |
| 19:47.14 | sontek | Thats all the sites they have tested on |
| 19:47.51 | sontek | But as long as you build for mono and make sure the stuff you are doing is supported really well, you'll be ok |
| 19:56.02 | elg | ~lart sjansen |
| 19:56.02 | ibot | blasts sjansen with a huge firehose then strangles sjansen with it |
| 20:03.59 | fozzmoo | http://www.kutv.com/content/news/topnews/story.aspx?content_id=d7521600-7f40-4602-91b2-c1bcac65c86f |
| 20:07.45 | beandog | slow news day? |
| 20:07.53 | beandog | college kids are drinking root beer! more at 11. |
| 20:08.04 | fozzmoo | Yeah. |
| 20:08.17 | fozzmoo | Drudge is having a hard time today too. Lots of News Of The Weird today. |
| 20:08.52 | beandog | of course, its not like local news stations have far to sink anyway |
| 20:09.06 | beandog | it's already pretty watered down |
| 20:09.10 | fozzmoo | http://www.dailytech.com/NIST+Creates+Perpetual+Motion++But+Only+for+10+Seconds/article9865.htm |
| 20:09.12 | beandog | fozzmoo, boing boing to the rescue |
| 20:10.46 | elg | findlay: talked to my dad last night. he's going to call her and check it out |
| 20:11.01 | elg | i guess it's contingent on it fitting through their basement door |
| 20:11.04 | elg | which is apparently small |
| 20:13.42 | sontek | Whats that media delivery company down in Orem? They do the streaming flash video for abc.com and other big networks |
| 20:13.53 | sontek | I always forget their name |
| 20:14.03 | eggyknap | move networks? |
| 20:14.17 | eggyknap | hasn't ever known what they do... |
| 20:14.35 | sontek | yeah =) |
| 20:15.58 | sontek | thanks |
| 20:16.12 | eggyknap | yw |
| 20:16.57 | Jayce^ | ~lart usps for not delivering my package! |
| 20:16.57 | ibot | slaps a compatible dib on usps's head for not delivering my package! |
| 20:18.08 | Jayce^ | buy.com's free shipping > amazon's free shipping |
| 20:18.30 | sontek | covers maquis's ears |
| 20:18.40 | Supaplex | speaking of amazon |
| 20:19.24 | Supaplex | ~lart amazon marketplace sellers that totally lack communication |
| 20:19.24 | ibot | makes a balloon animal out of amazon marketplace sellers that totally lack communication |
| 20:19.34 | Supaplex | pops it *POW* |
| 20:22.39 | sontek | its insult amazon day? |
| 20:22.55 | sontek | DARN YOU AMAZON, YOU ALWAYS GET ME MY BOOKS FOR CHEAP PRICES IN A TIMELY FASHION! |
| 20:24.00 | unum | but not near as quickly as driving to the store and picking them up |
| 20:24.20 | Jayce^ | they didn't have my books :( |
| 20:24.28 | Jayce^ | the local places :) |
| 20:24.42 | Supaplex | if you read carefully, my gripe is about a marketplace seller |
| 20:25.09 | findlay | I need to write a screen scraper for gmail, is this possible? |
| 20:25.16 | findlay | anyone done it before? |
| 20:25.28 | Supaplex | why use a screen scraper when imap is available? |
| 20:25.29 | Jayce^ | for the email itself? for contacts, or what? |
| 20:25.35 | Jayce^ | Supaplex, xactly |
| 20:25.50 | Jayce^ | though I know companies that have had reasons :) |
| 20:26.04 | Supaplex | let's do this the hard way. sure you dont want to write it in vbscript as an internet explorer plugin? |
| 20:26.13 | Supaplex | hides |
| 20:26.26 | findlay | so then there'd be an imap layer first (which would be spec'd communication and therefore much more stable of a target) and then further automatic processing of the email |
| 20:26.36 | *** join/#utah Migs (n=Migs@75-162-138-119.slkc.qwest.net) |
| 20:26.56 | findlay | I could probably even do it as a mutt hook :) |
| 20:27.50 | findlay | what I need to do is grab all the messages in the inbox with attachments, print the attachments, and archive the messages |
| 20:27.59 | findlay | sounds simple |
| 20:29.01 | findlay | whoa, mycroft does IE7 search plugins now |
| 20:30.28 | findlay | so, what's your favorite IMAP CPAN module? |
| 20:35.34 | Supaplex | so infobot supports multiple instances. does it support ipv6? |
| 20:37.02 | findlay | does it support multiple instances of ipv6? |
| 20:37.30 | eggyknap | Does python have something like CPAN? |
| 20:37.35 | eggyknap | thinks he might try learning python soon. |
| 20:38.15 | sontek | eggyknap: yeah, its called your distro's package manager :D |
| 20:38.19 | findlay | there are a few attempts at a central repo, but nothing certain from what I remember |
| 20:38.45 | eggyknap | thx |
| 20:38.47 | sontek | but they have 'eggs' that you can install |
| 20:38.59 | pr0le | there's always easy_install |
| 20:39.09 | pr0le | once installed it's like using your distro's package manager |
| 20:39.17 | eggyknap | eggs, eh? A la gems / beans / etc. |
| 20:39.19 | findlay | some distros that I know of have CPAN to distro package gateway utilities that are very nice IMO |
| 20:45.18 | findlay | at far kitchen? |
| 20:51.02 | *** join/#utah Newsome (n=sorenson@adsl-99-167-244-166.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net) |
| 20:56.01 | sjansen | african fruit kite |
| 20:57.36 | findlay | sounds yummy |
| 21:08.17 | Supaplex | pokes at ipv6<->ipv4 iptables toys |
| 21:08.42 | Sargun | Supaplex, Are you Dual Stack? |
| 21:09.09 | Sargun | come to the IPv6 side. We have cookies. |
| 21:09.41 | Supaplex | vserver patches don't support ipv6 quite yet (only dev patches do) |
| 21:10.21 | findlay | Sargun: do you have koolaid? |
| 21:10.40 | findlay | wants to join the ipv6 side |
| 21:11.12 | findlay | nick125: /join #gentoo-eeepc |
| 21:12.00 | Supaplex | so I'm going to map some ipv6 to ipv4 space (eg, some 10. class C nets -> ipv6) |
| 21:13.52 | Sargun | Neat. |
| 21:19.46 | beandog | anyone ever used mysql + SSL? |
| 21:20.18 | fozzmoo | Isn't that like putting a big V8 engine on your tricycle? |
| 21:24.35 | levi | It might be, if either of them were like a V8 engine or a tricycle. |
| 21:25.18 | sontek | mysql is similar to a tricycle! |
| 21:26.09 | levi | Perhaps, but SSL is certainly not analogous to a V8 engine. |
| 21:26.23 | Supaplex | imagine that. p238 is offline because, it's not plugged in. hah |
| 21:26.27 | sontek | yeah, SSL is n00b! |
| 21:27.06 | levi | Well, V8 engines are... engines. They're active; they do stuff. SSL is just a secure transport layer. |
| 21:28.13 | levi | And they stick V8 engines on bikes, why not on trikes? |
| 21:29.30 | fozzmoo | Okay... good point. |
| 21:29.35 | fozzmoo | Okay... good points |
| 21:30.16 | fozzmoo | SSL + MySQL is like... putting a linen tablecloth and candles on your table and then breaking out a bag of beef jerky. |
| 21:30.24 | fozzmoo | How's that? |
| 21:30.29 | Supaplex | o.O |
| 21:30.36 | Sargun | fozzmoo, What's wrong with that? |
| 21:30.53 | fozzmoo | Sargun: Says volumes about you to ask. |
| 21:31.02 | sontek | fozzmoo: did I tell you i'm on an all beef jerky diet?! |
| 21:31.20 | fozzmoo | is on an all-beef patty diet. |
| 21:31.29 | peno | sontek: you smell like beef and cheese. |
| 21:31.30 | Sargun | Beef Jerky is a Gourmet food. |
| 21:31.41 | sontek | fozzmoo: so katie and I are both trying to eat healthier, so we were shopping and looking at calories/grams of fat on everything, and it turns out.. beef jerky is rather healthy =) |
| 21:31.47 | fozzmoo | It is. |
| 21:31.51 | fozzmoo | Except for all the salt |
| 21:32.02 | fozzmoo | but look who's talkin. |
| 21:32.06 | sontek | so, why waste time with all that nasty fruit and vegetable crap when I can just eat jerky? |
| 21:32.09 | fozzmoo | points at empty bags of sunflower seeds |
| 21:32.13 | Sargun | http://www.amazon.com/Youre-Full-Glatt-Kosher-Jerky/dp/B000WY3EXO/ref=sr_1_10?ie=UTF8&s=gourmet-food&qid=1206480695&sr=1-10 < That's some jerky. |
| 21:32.26 | sontek | I love sunflower seeds but I had to stop because I'd eat them until my mouth would burn |
| 21:32.36 | fozzmoo | Best Jerky I've had is from a meat processing place in Smithfield. |
| 21:32.52 | fozzmoo | Yummy stuff. |
| 21:32.54 | sontek | Pick some up for me next time you go! |
| 21:32.57 | fozzmoo | Okay. |
| 21:33.02 | sontek | I haven't found a good place in Utah yet |
| 21:33.05 | sontek | so I just eat the store stuff |
| 21:33.10 | fozzmoo | I keep meaning to learn how to make it myself. Got a dehydrator. |
| 21:33.11 | sontek | gets the job done, but just not the same |
| 21:33.37 | fozzmoo | I got some good mom & pop stuff at a gas station in Scipio a few months back too. |
| 21:33.46 | sontek | My fav. is venison jerky |
| 21:33.58 | Supaplex | me want :P~~~ |
| 21:34.07 | fozzmoo | :) |
| 21:34.11 | fozzmoo | Okay. Time to go home. |
| 21:34.18 | elg | slacker |
| 21:35.14 | sjansen | Real beef jerky is reasonably healthy. Fake-o disgusting Slim Jim isn't. No one should get that much boot polish and cat grease in their diet. |
| 21:36.43 | Supaplex | "kosher" another word for "tastes so good, you know it's high in everything" |
| 21:37.39 | *** join/#utah mrpull (i=xmjake@xmission.xmission.com) |
| 21:48.19 | elg | gets nauseous at the thought of slim jims |
| 21:49.15 | unum | I can't send to sllug |
| 21:49.49 | sjansen | http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/25/great-moments-in-linux-history/ |
| 22:05.18 | unum | darn looks like ordb.org is blacklisting comcast |
| 22:06.09 | sontek | dunno what ordb.org is but it seems to be down |
| 22:06.47 | thaddeusq | unum: I thought ordb.org blacklisted most ip blocks that appear to be "home" users. |
| 22:07.36 | peno | ordb.org supposedly went offline in 2006. |
| 22:14.30 | unum | hmmmm |
| 22:14.41 | unum | I'm going through the relay |
| 22:15.00 | unum | Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 550 5.7.1 Rejected: 76.96.30.64 listed at relays.ordb.org |
| 22:15.17 | unum | plus it's a commercial account |
| 22:15.34 | unum | wow I wonder how it ends up at that ip... |
| 22:35.11 | unum | wow it's rejecting my works server as well |
| 22:35.34 | Sargun | I hate most of these blacklist databases |
| 22:36.02 | Sargun | I saw a few of these databases blacklisting my IP which was on DHCP |
| 22:36.08 | Sargun | that was freaking annoying |
| 22:42.02 | elg | welcome to mob justice |
| 22:45.05 | sjansen | declares elg a witch |
| 22:45.13 | sjansen | Burn him! Burn the witch! |
| 22:45.22 | sontek | sjansen: does he float? |
| 22:46.07 | findlay | click here for a gorgeous photograph: http://jfindlay.us/as08-13-2329.jpg |
| 22:46.40 | Sargun | Ok, that can't be gorgeous if findlay posted it |
| 22:46.42 | sontek | findlay: that pictures doesn't even have boobs. |
| 22:46.57 | nick125 | I hate hardware |
| 22:47.09 | findlay | that's the first ever photograph of an earthrise by a human |
| 22:47.24 | Supaplex | sontek: sure it does. there's billions of people in that picture with them |
| 22:47.42 | findlay | google for apollo 8 earthrise |
| 22:52.22 | Sargun | nick125, who doesn'[t? |
| 22:58.35 | nick125 | Sargun: Any ideas on what would cause a box to not have any lights on, case and PSU fans power up, but no CPU fans or BIOS/POSTing? |
| 22:58.52 | Sargun | Bad Mobo |
| 22:58.54 | Sargun | Bad PSU |
| 22:58.56 | Sargun | bad CPU |
| 22:58.59 | Sargun | bad contacts |
| 22:59.12 | Sargun | Bad Case (Case making circuit short) |
| 22:59.59 | nick125 | Okay, without a bunch of spare hardware around, what would you do to diagnose it? |
| 23:00.49 | findlay | bad PSU is my first guess |
| 23:01.08 | findlay | I assume you have some spare parts to experiment with |
| 23:01.21 | nick125 | Would that still cause the PSU and case fans to still power up? |
| 23:01.26 | mrpull | take the mobo out of the case and put it on a safe surface |
| 23:01.27 | findlay | possible |
| 23:01.32 | nick125 | (the case fans being powered off of a 4 pin molex connector) |
| 23:01.32 | mrpull | to rule out shorting on the case |
| 23:01.42 | findlay | I had a bad PSU once |
| 23:01.56 | findlay | everything worked fine except when I tried to power up with the HDD plugged in |
| 23:02.52 | mrpull | weak PSU's cause all sorts of silly problems |
| 23:03.32 | mrpull | also eliminate any unneeded stuff (hdd, extra dimms) |
| 23:03.39 | mrpull | maybe even video |
| 23:03.44 | nick125 | video is integrated |
| 23:03.45 | mrpull | try to get it to just beep |
| 23:03.57 | mrpull | (make sure the speaker is hooked up if it isn't on the mobo) |
| 23:04.20 | mrpull | also look for a cmos reset jumper if you get desperate |
| 23:04.52 | nick125 | I'd hate to have the PSU being bad...to RMA the PSU means RMA'ing the entire case. |
| 23:05.03 | nick125 | Unless I do the RMA through Antec..hmm |
| 23:05.53 | mrpull | PSU's are odly expensive |
| 23:07.12 | mrpull | buy a spare |
| 23:07.17 | mrpull | rma the original |
| 23:07.20 | mrpull | keep the spare later :) |
| 23:09.27 | mrpull | quitting time |
| 23:09.46 | nick125 | mrpull: thanks for the advice |
| 23:10.19 | mrpull | I used to have a bunch of spares... I'd loan you one if I had anything current |
| 23:10.42 | mrpull | bangerter is blocked in both directions at 104S |
| 23:10.47 | mrpull | FYI... |
| 23:10.51 | mrpull | later! |
