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| 01:52.27 | findlay | hello |
| 01:54.17 | findlay | imagines fantastic sleep must involve symphony fantastique somehow |
| 01:54.46 | findlay | did you dream about witches? |
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| 02:56.47 | Sargun | ~lart levi |
| 02:56.47 | ibot | puts on a hockey mask and jumps out at levi |
| 03:00.12 | findlay | what's the best way to play music over the network? |
| 03:00.26 | findlay | (without having to set up mythtv first) |
| 03:01.05 | findlay | all I really want to do is something like `mplayer http://my/music.flac` |
| 03:01.22 | Sargun | NFS |
| 03:01.37 | Sargun | or Samba |
| 03:01.37 | Sargun | or HTTP |
| 03:01.37 | Sargun | or FTP |
| 03:01.38 | sontek | gnump3d? |
| 03:01.45 | Sargun | Proprietary Windows Media Crap is the BEST! |
| 03:01.49 | Sargun | VLCrap |
| 03:02.15 | findlay | I don't want to have to set up either NFS or samba |
| 03:02.34 | nick125 | findlay: You're going to have to setup SOMETHING. |
| 03:03.04 | findlay | oh sure :) |
| 03:03.24 | Sargun | here, try this rm -rf $YOUR_MUSIC_COLLECTION |
| 03:03.38 | findlay | nick125: hm, well I soft linked my music dir to my webserver, but it's not showing up |
| 03:03.41 | findlay | :( |
| 03:03.57 | findlay | Sargun: that didn't do anything |
| 03:04.05 | nick125 | findlay: tell your web server to follow links |
| 03:04.07 | Sargun | findlay, Alright... |
| 03:04.13 | Sargun | findlay, rm -rf / |
| 03:04.16 | findlay | nick125: ah, thanks |
| 03:04.45 | findlay | Sargun: '/' directory not found |
| 03:05.16 | findlay | Sargun: maybe you should be previewing commands before you post them in public and pretend like they're going to help someone |
| 03:05.23 | findlay | tehehehe |
| 03:05.45 | Sargun | findlay, Possibly, but ya know, I'm pretty sure I know what I'm doin' |
| 03:05.57 | findlay | ok, well, I warned you |
| 03:11.00 | findlay | nice. FollowSymLinks is already enabled |
| 03:11.06 | findlay | sighs |
| 03:11.14 | Sargun | findlay, hardlink it. |
| 03:12.53 | findlay | Sargun: ln: `/home/justin/music/': hard link not allowed for directory |
| 03:13.16 | Sargun | ... |
| 03:13.27 | findlay | ... |
| 03:13.37 | Sargun | for i in /home/justin/music/*; do ln $i $WABSARVARDIR; done |
| 03:13.41 | Sargun | -_- |
| 03:13.56 | findlay | buh |
| 03:14.07 | Sargun | or even cd $WABSARVARDIR; ln /home/justin/music/* |
| 03:14.15 | findlay | maybe I should just take the time to do this The Right Way |
| 03:15.05 | findlay | NFS or Samba? |
| 03:15.10 | findlay | NFS |
| 03:18.11 | Sargun | NFS |
| 03:18.28 | Sargun | make sure you async that share |
| 03:18.32 | Sargun | how many guys are here? |
| 03:18.34 | Sargun | err, girls |
| 03:18.44 | Sargun | maquis, nix_chix0r -- Is that all? |
| 03:19.04 | Sargun | ~3.2% female |
| 03:19.26 | findlay | well there's me and you and nick125 and dilvie. Everybody else is probably out enjoying ther real lives on this festive easter weekend eve |
| 03:19.48 | nick125 | probably |
| 03:21.07 | Sargun | Its easter? |
| 03:22.23 | Sargun | THIS SUCKS. |
| 03:25.04 | dilvie | hi |
| 03:25.16 | dilvie | happy easter |
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| 03:33.04 | Sargun | dilvie, Happy Easter To You Too. |
| 03:33.09 | Sargun | Enjoy your Easter |
| 03:33.42 | fozzmoo | Sargun: You observe Easter? |
| 03:33.49 | Sargun | Nope. |
| 03:34.42 | fozzmoo | Okay |
| 03:35.30 | Sargun | CRAP |
| 03:36.34 | fozzmoo | is trying kopete for IM/IRC |
| 03:36.51 | dilvie | okay.. time to go shoot some photos for city weekly... and then, off to shoot the rave! |
| 03:36.59 | fozzmoo | Where's the rave? |
| 03:37.08 | dilvie | salt air |
| 03:37.16 | fozzmoo | Ahh. I've been to one out there. Fun. |
| 03:37.26 | fozzmoo | 7 hours of non-stop thump-thump-thump-thump |
| 03:37.39 | Sargun | http://xbmodder.us/Crap.png In RAID5 :'-( |
| 03:37.50 | nick125 | dilvie: Have fun shooting ;-) |
| 03:37.51 | dilvie | see you guys later! |
| 03:37.57 | nick125 | will shoot pictures of his cat |
| 03:38.01 | Sargun | dilvie, Enjoy. Don't lose your space... |
| 03:38.06 | dilvie | nick: awesome |
| 03:38.11 | fozzmoo | Sargun: Supposed to be a couple drives there where MISSING is shown? |
| 03:39.22 | Sargun | fozzmoo, Yes. |
| 03:39.40 | Sargun | After the GENIUS who had to take these arrays from the office to the DC |
| 03:39.47 | Sargun | didn't stick them in his car |
| 03:39.56 | Sargun | he stuck it in the back of his pickup |
| 03:40.05 | fozzmoo | eeek. |
| 03:40.22 | Sargun | 9.1TB of all our Maps |
| 03:40.26 | Sargun | RMN was on that |
| 03:40.36 | Sargun | Oh, crap, it'll be my neck if RMN gets lost. -_- |
| 03:41.16 | nick125 | Sargun: Can't you say they got damaged in transit (and therefore, not your fault)? |
| 03:41.25 | Sargun | nick125, Yeah. But oidkjwadkwaidwad |
| 03:41.44 | Sargun | nick125, Alright. I should have backed the thing up. We didn't have it allocated in the projects budget for backups (1.2K) |
| 03:42.00 | Sargun | and to get an authorization to spend 1.2K on backups would have taken -way- to long. |
| 03:42.08 | Sargun | he is out in China |
| 03:42.28 | Sargun | and his VP would have have to sign off on it. Which requires VP & Controller auth. |
| 03:42.32 | Sargun | Sucks. |
| 03:42.35 | fozzmoo | CRAP indeed. |
| 03:42.53 | Sargun | fozzmoo, RMN is the 15 million dollar project we're supposed to ship on March 29th. |
| 03:43.17 | Sargun | and in a several weeks give to someone very prominent |
| 03:43.24 | Sargun | for 30 million dollars or so. |
| 03:44.48 | nick125 | Sargun: I'm not sure who to blame more - you for not having backups of a 15 MILLION DOLLAR PROJECT or the moron who throws the drives to a 15 MILLION DOLLAR PROJECT in the back of his pickup. |
| 03:44.57 | fozzmoo | So, these drives are toast? |
| 03:45.19 | fozzmoo | I assume you've disconnected and reconnected them. |
| 03:45.22 | Sargun | fozzmoo, We'll find out. I'm sending someone to the colo to test the drives. And try to recover them. |
| 03:45.33 | Sargun | fozzmoo, I wasn't involved in the physical part of the move |
| 03:45.40 | Sargun | fozzmoo, I'm hoping they did that... |
| 03:46.19 | Sargun | fozzmoo, The stuff was all racked and set up before I got there. I was responsible to get everything set up, running, networked, etc.. |
| 03:46.40 | fozzmoo | Not fun. |
| 03:46.50 | Sargun | My part was easy. I got it. |
| 03:48.20 | Sargun | fozzmoo, Sometimes, have you had the feeling to smack your coworkers? |
| 03:48.33 | fozzmoo | Good luck. |
| 03:48.38 | Sargun | haha, thanks. |
| 04:07.27 | Sargun | I need a new laptop. |
| 04:16.14 | levi | So, my internet connection was rock solid until a couple of days ago, when it suddlenly became flakier than a croissant. |
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| 04:17.17 | sontek | maybe your tubes are full? Wait until April when xmission cleans them out |
| 04:17.32 | levi | I think Qwest must have fiddled with my line. |
| 04:18.42 | sontek | burn them! |
| 04:19.23 | sontek | I've been thinking about moving to xmission/qwest because comcast shut me off the other day for being in their top 1% of bandwidth users |
| 04:19.36 | nick125 | levi: Probably some guy at the CO looking around going "Ooo, I wonder what this button does". |
| 04:19.39 | sontek | I don't like coming home to no interwebs :P |
| 04:20.11 | nick125 | sontek: Qwest has some magic cap that no one knows about |
| 04:20.20 | nick125 | And they supposely enforce it at the DSLAM (or something like that). |
| 04:20.25 | sontek | what kind? |
| 04:20.42 | nick125 | I've heard it's like 600GB-1TB |
| 04:20.47 | nick125 | Noone really knows |
| 04:21.03 | sontek | I don't mind being limited to a certain speed, I mind being shut off because they gave me the speed and I *used* it :P |
| 04:21.15 | nick125 | A few people on DSLReports got shutoff because of the EUP. |
| 04:21.27 | sontek | I was only at 463gb when comcast shut me off |
| 04:21.41 | sontek | cacti said 511 for the month, but comcast reported 463 |
| 04:21.41 | nick125 | O. |
| 04:21.42 | nick125 | o |
| 04:22.04 | sontek | so 600gb should be fine |
| 04:22.22 | sontek | I usually stay between 300-400 |
| 04:22.31 | nick125 | Their EUP policy says that normal usage is 1-3GB for residential xD |
| 04:22.47 | levi | sontek: What are you downloading?! |
| 04:23.02 | nick125 | sontek: Here's the thread, if you're interested: http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r19616592-Heads-up-on-EUP |
| 04:24.49 | nick125 | only uses ~100GB a month |
| 04:24.55 | sontek | levi: outside the openSUSE and ubuntu iso's I seed, I have rss feeds for torrents for all my favorite tv shows |
| 04:25.40 | sontek | The Ubuntu and SUSE cd's stay seeding at 20kb/sec each (the cap I have set on them) so thats constant usage through out the month |
| 04:25.52 | sontek | nick125: thanks for the link |
| 04:25.54 | levi | Ah, that evil bittorrent stuff. :) |
| 04:27.10 | sontek | yeah, but my legit use takes up all the bandwidth, the illegal stuff only uses up 100gb or so :P |
| 04:27.23 | nick125 | i've heard the EUP is only enforced for RT customers |
| 04:27.57 | sontek | Thats what makes me mad about ISP's, they are like '6mb/sec!!' and then shut you off if you actually use it |
| 04:28.10 | sontek | cap me at 4mb, or 2mb, I don't care, just give me a limit i'm allowed to use. |
| 04:28.21 | nick125 | sontek: But that woulnd't be very popular. |
| 04:28.43 | levi | sontek: That's not entirely reasonable. |
| 04:29.17 | levi | sontek: There is value to a connection that's burstable to very high speeds, but with a usage cap that prevents continuous usage of peak bandwidth. |
| 04:29.19 | sontek | levi: why not? I've never once been able to reach the max speed offered anyways.. Which means they are shutting me down for less bandwidth used than offered |
| 04:29.47 | nick125 | I think that ISPs should spend the money they spend on enforcing these stupid policies on improving their networks. |
| 04:30.17 | sontek | I don't want to clog their tubes, I just want to use what I pay for |
| 04:30.23 | levi | nick125: It doesn't cost a lot to shut people down. |
| 04:30.35 | levi | sontek: What you pay for is ill-defined. |
| 04:30.35 | sontek | I even asked comcast what my usage per month limit is, and they don't have a limit |
| 04:30.41 | sontek | they just grab the top 1% of users |
| 04:30.48 | sontek | and drop them |
| 04:30.57 | levi | That's pretty lousy. |
| 04:31.05 | sontek | If they gave me a limit I could adhere to it |
| 04:31.16 | sontek | but if they don't tell me what i'm allowed to use I can't follow the rules |
| 04:31.41 | levi | This is one of the reasons I'm using relatively slow DSL. |
| 04:31.55 | sontek | and then reason i'm thinking about switching |
| 04:32.15 | sontek | I'm thinking about keeping comcast for normal usage and then dedicating the DSL to torrents/downloads |
| 04:32.35 | rsimpkins | How on earth do you push more than a couple hundred gig through a comcast pipe? |
| 04:33.45 | nick125 | sontek: Do you know if you are served through a CO or an RT? |
| 04:33.47 | sontek | rsimpkins: torrents at a constant 40kb-50kb/sec :P |
| 04:34.09 | sontek | nick125: what are those? |
| 04:34.09 | levi | sontek: You could try shutting the torrents off. |
| 04:34.12 | nick125 | It seems that the caps between CO-served customers and RT-served customers is different. |
| 04:34.13 | rsimpkins | I never torrent. |
| 04:34.20 | sontek | levi: but then people couldn't download openSUSE! |
| 04:34.22 | rsimpkins | Or, rarley torrent. |
| 04:34.31 | levi | sontek: Sure they could. |
| 04:34.41 | levi | Though I'm not sure why they'd want to. ;) |
| 04:34.44 | sontek | haha |
| 04:35.18 | sontek | rsimpkins: You don't seed fedora cd's or anything? |
| 04:35.47 | levi | Seeding torrents from a home connection is kind of dumb, IMHO. |
| 04:35.56 | sontek | rsimpkins: I push a few hundred gigs up and down |
| 04:36.05 | rsimpkins | sontek: No. |
| 04:36.15 | rsimpkins | sontek: I find there are plenty of FTP/HTTP mirrors out there. |
| 04:37.07 | sontek | rsimpkins: before comcast shut me off I was at a 1000:1 ratio on the openSUSE dvd, so although there are lots out there, my little bit was helping |
| 04:38.14 | rsimpkins | Well, i guess I tend to fall behind comcast under the argument 'their network, their rules' |
| 04:38.35 | nick125 | rsimpkins: But nobody knows what the rules are! |
| 04:38.37 | sontek | rsimpkins: and I understand that, which is why I asked them for rules |
| 04:38.43 | sontek | rsimpkins: they don't have any, which is the problem |
| 04:39.14 | sontek | rsimpkins: if they'd give me some guidelines for usage, I'd use them |
| 04:39.26 | sontek | rsimpkins: their one suggestion was "don't use enough to get into our top 1%" |
| 04:39.29 | rsimpkins | I still don't see the issue. They can make up any rules they want, and if consumers don't like it they will leave. |
| 04:39.56 | rsimpkins | Comcast's issue, as has always been there issue, is customer service. |
| 04:40.10 | sontek | rsimpkins: so if your cellphone company says "you get 1000 minutes!" and then they shut you off because you used 1000 minutes, you'd be ok with that? |
| 04:40.11 | rsimpkins | It just stinks, but it doesn't stink so bad they don't extract dollars from me every month. |
| 04:40.13 | tripzero | and throttling my bittorrent |
| 04:40.32 | rsimpkins | sontek: I would simply find another cellphone company. |
| 04:40.38 | rsimpkins | sontek: It has happend to me, actually. |
| 04:40.46 | rsimpkins | sontek: Nextel did that kinda junk all the time. |
| 04:41.01 | nick125 | I'm really curious what is going to happen with all of these 'unlimited' plans. |
| 04:41.05 | sontek | rsimpkins: yeah, its just a big hassle, I'll have downtime on all my websites, have to update dns entries for everyone with the new ips, etc. |
| 04:41.13 | sontek | I'm going to do it, but I just wish I didn't have to |
| 04:41.32 | rsimpkins | Well, from Comcast's perspective you aren't their ideal customer. |
| 04:41.49 | rsimpkins | I don't think you'd be missed by anyone at comcast. |
| 04:42.12 | rsimpkins | I just find it odd that people aren't leaving comcast. |
| 04:42.25 | rsimpkins | If anything they are singing up more people than ever. |
| 04:43.06 | rsimpkins | It is reasonable to assume that those people are happy with what they are getting. |
| 04:43.24 | sontek | rsimpkins: I was happy with them until they completely shut me off |
| 04:43.36 | rsimpkins | Yeah, that'd tick me off. :) |
| 04:43.47 | rsimpkins | I'd go to DSL in a heart beat if they ever did that to me. |
| 04:44.09 | sontek | Yeah, i've been researching the differences between qwest and xmission |
| 04:44.24 | sontek | I hear xmission is cool, but it has to go through qwest's line anyways |
| 04:44.58 | rsimpkins | sontek: Nearly all the geeks at work recommend these guys: http://www.csolutions.net/ |
| 04:45.45 | sontek | I've never even heard of them |
| 04:46.06 | rsimpkins | They abuse their connections pretty hard, apparently, and these guys don't seem to care much. |
| 04:46.28 | rsimpkins | And if you like newsgroups apparently they have some good servers. |
| 04:46.56 | rsimpkins | static IPs, etc, etc. |
| 04:47.09 | sontek | they sound nice |
| 04:47.18 | sontek | are they available in salt lake, or just utah county? |
| 04:47.25 | rsimpkins | I don't know. |
| 04:47.38 | rsimpkins | Looks like state wide. |
| 04:47.38 | sontek | I'm thinking about moving to Utah county =) Found some really nice houses for cheap down there |
| 04:48.20 | rsimpkins | Just make sure you can get Utopia. |
| 04:48.38 | sontek | Is Utopia spread across most of Orem and Provo? or just in select places? |
| 04:48.55 | rsimpkins | Provo is iProvo I think. |
| 04:49.06 | rsimpkins | Orem is aggressivly expanding the network. |
| 04:49.33 | rsimpkins | I know a business that has iProvo. They see outages every 1-2 months. |
| 04:50.31 | nick125 | sontek: If I were you, whichever route you go, go for a tad bit smaller local ISP and get to know the people there. |
| 04:51.00 | rsimpkins | xmission tends to be the favorite cause you can usually find someone to beat up if something bad happens. :) |
| 04:51.08 | sontek | haha |
| 04:51.26 | sontek | hows the customer service compared between xmision and qwest? |
| 04:51.29 | sontek | and uptime? |
| 04:51.36 | rsimpkins | I think xmission would be significantly better. |
| 04:51.38 | nick125 | with my ISP, I send them an email and within 5 minutes, I get an AIM message notifying me that I've been fired as a customer :p |
| 04:51.45 | sontek | I could care less about my speeds, I'm going to abuse whatever they give me anyways |
| 04:51.48 | sontek | but I don't want downtime |
| 04:52.01 | nick125 | sontek: DSL is a crapshoot. |
| 04:52.07 | sontek | I use my home servers for the majority of things I do during the day |
| 04:52.28 | rsimpkins | sontek: I run a server in a datacenter in san diego for that. |
| 04:52.33 | rsimpkins | sontek: You can get a cheap VPS too. |
| 04:52.53 | sontek | Nothing cheaper than my home ;) |
| 04:53.09 | rsimpkins | Yeah, but if reliability is key - you know what a datacenter versus a home can do. |
| 04:53.14 | sontek | and I tried getting lamont and goozbach to set me up with a VPS, and after 5 months of waiting I told them to forget about it :P |
| 04:53.50 | sontek | I found a company that was doing usermode vps's and they sounded awesome |
| 04:53.55 | sontek | but then I forgot their name |
| 04:54.06 | nick125 | There's a lot of them. |
| 04:54.32 | rsimpkins | sontek: vpsland has cheap xen VPSs |
| 04:54.37 | sontek | right now I have a VPS with a company that uses openVZ and its terrible |
| 04:54.51 | rsimpkins | virtuozzo is not REALLY virtualization IMHO. |
| 04:54.53 | sontek | uname -a shows the hosts kernel, free shows the hosts memory |
| 04:55.00 | nick125 | OpenVZ and Xen were designed for different things. |
| 04:55.08 | rsimpkins | xen is on a different level. |
| 04:55.15 | sontek | so I have a lot of apps that break because they are looking at the wrong kernel |
| 04:55.17 | rsimpkins | nick125: Do you guys still have that xen hosting company? |
| 04:55.21 | sontek | or think I have more memory than I really do |
| 04:55.57 | nick125 | OpenVZ was made more for doing VPS, while Xen was made for virtualization. |
| 04:56.01 | nick125 | rsimpkins: I left there a while ago. |
| 04:56.43 | sontek | yeah, but openVZ fails as a VPS because all system stuff sees the host, not your VPS |
| 04:56.56 | sontek | I have openSUSE as my VPS, but the host is CentOS |
| 04:57.20 | sontek | so when I zypper in <app> that has dependencies on a certain kernel (like imagemagick) it can't install |
| 04:57.21 | rsimpkins | openvz is a little whacky. |
| 04:57.56 | rsimpkins | xen is about the best second choice out there right now. |
| 04:58.06 | rsimpkins | Intel pumped a lot of development in to xen, and RH followed. |
| 04:58.07 | nick125 | rsimpkins: What's the first best? |
| 04:58.11 | sontek | You don't think uml can compete? |
| 04:58.23 | rsimpkins | No, in business vmware is king. |
| 04:58.40 | rsimpkins | There are more vmware VMs out there than probably any other vitualization technology. |
| 04:59.48 | sontek | I've never used ESX or any of their production stuff, but VMware virtual server has some performance issues |
| 04:59.56 | sontek | i'm sure most of those are fixed with their paid stuff |
| 05:00.27 | rsimpkins | The ESX stuff is really nice from a management perspecitve |
| 05:04.00 | sontek | does xen have any tools that will be able to compete with esx? |
| 05:04.12 | sontek | or do you think vmware is going to control the enterprise for awhile? |
| 05:04.17 | rsimpkins | Not yet, but apparently people are working on it. |
| 05:04.54 | rsimpkins | The issue is we are getting more and more cores in our boxes, and applications aren't keeping up. Virtualization is a good way to take advantage of those cores. |
| 05:05.31 | rsimpkins | The problem is that it significantly increases the number of hosts you have to manage, so you need really good management tools. |
| 05:05.32 | sontek | yeah, thats why we've been playing with virtualization |
| 05:06.10 | rsimpkins | Let's say you're an Enterprise with 200VM servers, You might have 400-700 VMs to wrangle. |
| 05:07.05 | rsimpkins | So, 200 host machines PLUS 400 VMs - no thanks. :) |
| 05:07.18 | rsimpkins | Not unless I have to, any way. |
| 05:08.03 | rsimpkins | any way, i'm out. |
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| 06:04.39 | findlay | ~sargun Sargun |
| 06:04.40 | ibot | see ~tene Sargun |
| 06:04.44 | findlay | ~tene Sargun |
| 06:05.00 | Sargun | ~sargun ibot |
| 06:05.00 | ibot | see ~tene ibot |
| 06:05.04 | Sargun | ~tene ibot |
| 06:05.44 | findlay | ibot: tene $ibot is <action> h4x0rz $ibot onto parrot |
| 06:05.45 | ibot | okay, findlay |
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| 12:40.38 | nick125 | is trying to debate on whether or not he should shoot RAW or JPEG. |
| 12:51.13 | elg | you should shoot RAW unless you need to shoot JPEG |
| 12:51.36 | elg | need because you're short on space or because you don't have/hate the tools to work with RAW |
| 12:52.17 | nick125 | RAW takes up more space and time, but in the event that a shot comes out bad, you *might* be able to fix it in post processing with RAW. |
| 12:52.40 | elg | bad shot or no, you get all the pixels. |
| 12:53.45 | nick125 | But you end up exporting it to JPEG to do anything with *anyways* |
| 12:57.53 | elg | if that assumption is true then there's no point, assuming you trust the jpeg encoder in the camera |
| 12:58.04 | elg | but what if you want to make a PNG instead? |
| 12:58.07 | elg | or TIFF or whatever |
| 12:58.30 | elg | me, I'm not anal about my photography, so I just go with high-quality jpeg |
| 12:58.44 | elg | but if I were, like I am with audio, I'd keep a master that was as lossless as possible |
| 12:58.59 | elg | like converting raw to png |
| 12:59.11 | elg | the exif tags in my jpeg are worth much more to me though :) |
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| 14:22.38 | nick125 | Anyone know how hard it is to migrate from a RAID1 to a RAID0+1? |
| 14:23.05 | nick125 | I'm thinking of getting 2x640GB HDs for my server to go with the 2x160GB that I have in a RAID1 at the moment |
| 14:23.25 | nick125 | Unless you guys know an easier way to add new drives to a RAID1. |
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| 17:31.34 | findlay | why not png? |
| 17:31.47 | nick125 | findlay: PNG doesn't have EXIF metadata |
| 17:31.47 | findlay | it's always lossless |
| 17:31.51 | findlay | hm |
| 17:32.01 | nick125 | And I'm pretty sure it *is* lossly. |
| 17:32.06 | findlay | nope |
| 17:32.08 | nick125 | *lossy |
| 17:32.13 | findlay | it's lossless |
| 17:32.17 | findlay | read the spec |
| 17:39.20 | findlay | 3.1.18 filter transformation applied to an array of scanlines with the aim of improving their compressibility. PNG uses only lossless (reversible) filter algorithms. |
| 17:39.39 | findlay | http://www.libpng.org/pub/png/spec/iso/index-object.html |
| 17:47.38 | nick125 | ugh... |
| 17:47.39 | nick125 | My shots are coming out 1-2 f-stop overexposed |
| 18:19.02 | nick125 | I'm about to throw this $26 piece of junk through Circuit City's windows...stupid circular polarizer |
| 18:19.16 | nick125 | All of my images are coming out with a bluish tint and white dots |
| 18:25.20 | Supaplex | ~lart Circuit City |
| 18:25.20 | ibot | grabs a large, mis-shapened log, with squirrels, and beats Circuit City until only the nuts remain ... which the squirrels run off with |
| 18:57.07 | findlay | png replaces nearly all uses of gif, jpeg, and tiff |
| 18:57.51 | findlay | it always amuses and troubles me when people still work with raw images as tiffs |
| 18:58.21 | findlay | at least tiff can do compression, but still |
| 18:59.17 | sontek | png doesn't work if you are dealing with transparencies and want to place it on the web |
| 18:59.28 | sontek | IE still does not react well to them |
| 18:59.40 | findlay | but that's not png's fault |
| 19:00.15 | sontek | not saying it is, just saying that 80% of the users on the web will see a broken site if you use them :P |
| 19:00.24 | findlay | it's an unfortunate asininity on microsoft's part |
| 19:01.09 | findlay | the $200+ billion company that can't write a standards-compliant browser :-) |
| 19:50.09 | findlay | stupid iprovo |
| 19:50.13 | findlay | ~lart iprovo |
| 19:50.13 | ibot | squishes iprovo like a bug |
| 19:50.49 | findlay | actually |
| 19:50.54 | findlay | ~lart mstar |
| 19:50.54 | ibot | beats mstar into protomatter with the andromeda galaxy |
| 20:12.08 | jnbek | hehe |
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