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| 00:06.44 | sontek | happy good Friday |
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| 00:29.42 | sjansen | sontek: No. I choose to. I spent a year on Ubuntu when I was first hired, but eventually I started to feel like I was loosing touch with the latest tech I had to teach. |
| 00:32.09 | sjansen | I tried to use SUSE, but I'm a GNOME user and SUSE used to mistreat GNOME worse that RH mistreated KDE. |
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| 02:25.14 | elg | by jove I think I just ported Aeolus to OS X |
| 02:25.26 | elg | but I don't have my usb keyboard here to do the final test :( |
| 02:27.11 | Tene | What is Aeolus? |
| 02:29.27 | elg | google for aeolus fons |
| 02:29.30 | elg | reboots |
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| 03:29.55 | nick125 | "There is a payment adjustment option you may be unaware of for your home at p.o. box xxxxx." |
| 03:29.58 | nick125 | "The terms would be based on a customized fixed rate loan and give you an estimated savings of 18% to 38% on your existing payment (no increases)." |
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| 04:07.14 | BoredExTen | Hello everyone. |
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| 05:23.00 | tripzero | findlay ping |
| 05:23.14 | tripzero | sontek ping |
| 05:24.00 | tripzero | curses |
| 05:24.10 | tripzero | how could anyone sleep on a night like this |
| 05:24.56 | nick125 | haha |
| 05:25.53 | tripzero | nick125: do you know if mono comes with the .net assemblies required my most .net apps? |
| 05:26.32 | nick125 | I haven't used mono in a long time, so I wouldn't know. |
| 05:53.30 | vontrapp | beandog: as in select eval("10*4") |
| 06:08.45 | sontek | tripzero: pong? |
| 06:08.58 | nick125 | installs a tabbed web browser on his treo |
| 06:09.01 | sontek | tripzero: yes it does |
| 06:09.19 | sontek | tripzero: there are very few libraries not impemented in mono at this point |
| 06:09.49 | tripzero | sontek: megui doesn't work :( |
| 06:09.55 | tripzero | megui.net |
| 06:10.14 | tripzero | WARNING **: Missing method System.Windows.Forms.Panel::set_AutoSizeMode(AutoSizeMode) |
| 06:12.04 | sontek | tripzero: what version of mono? |
| 06:12.43 | sontek | tripzero: if you have a windows box you can run moma on it |
| 06:12.53 | sontek | well, you could run moma on it in linux too |
| 06:13.49 | tripzero | what does moma do? |
| 06:14.14 | tripzero | mono 1.2.4 |
| 06:14.17 | sontek | uses the reflector to analyze the libraries used and tells you if it'll run under mono |
| 06:14.26 | sontek | tripzero: thats a very old version of mono |
| 06:14.28 | sontek | get 1.2.6 |
| 06:14.52 | tripzero | how hard is it to compile? |
| 06:14.55 | sontek | 1.2.5 had a lot of enhancements that you don't want to miss out on (performance and memory fixes) |
| 06:15.03 | sontek | you shouldn't have to compile it, what distro? |
| 06:15.08 | tripzero | ubuntu |
| 06:15.12 | tripzero | 7.10 |
| 06:16.13 | nick125 | You might have to enable some repo for it |
| 06:16.55 | sontek | Ubuntu is really bad at keeping up to date with mono stuff |
| 06:17.03 | sontek | but meebey runs a repo you can use |
| 06:17.18 | sontek | deb http://debian.meebey.net/etch-backports / |
| 06:17.32 | sontek | although its for etch, it works with gutsy |
| 06:17.48 | tripzero | yeah, i noticed ubuntu doesn't keep stuff updated |
| 06:17.56 | tripzero | for at least 6mo |
| 06:18.29 | sontek | well, they don't just allow maintainers to update the packages, unless its for a bug fix |
| 06:18.36 | sontek | feature updates aren't allowed |
| 06:18.39 | sontek | its silly |
| 06:18.56 | tripzero | agreed |
| 06:19.15 | tripzero | how far along is wcf stuff? |
| 06:19.36 | sontek | Hasn't been touched |
| 06:19.44 | sontek | theres not high demand for it |
| 06:19.47 | sontek | so no one is working on it |
| 06:19.52 | tripzero | lol |
| 06:21.15 | sontek | patches welcome ;) |
| 06:23.12 | tripzero | is wcf very popular in the M$ world even? |
| 06:23.25 | tripzero | i know we are using it at work, but outside of that... |
| 06:23.56 | sontek | You are the first shop I've heard thats using it |
| 06:24.00 | tripzero | sontek: do you work on the mono project? |
| 06:24.04 | sontek | yeah |
| 06:24.13 | tripzero | @ novell? |
| 06:24.19 | sontek | I work on the System.Web namespace and Tomboy |
| 06:24.37 | sontek | nope, Provo is to long of a commute |
| 06:24.38 | tripzero | nice :) |
| 06:24.41 | sontek | I live in salt lake |
| 06:24.58 | tripzero | heh, I live in Layton and commute to draper every day |
| 06:25.06 | sontek | haha |
| 06:25.38 | tripzero | we are looking for a place closer to work though |
| 06:25.56 | sontek | the company I work for is a small startup but we are blowing up fast |
| 06:26.12 | tripzero | where do you work? |
| 06:26.24 | sontek | we are only in our 2nd year and already have companies wanting to buy us |
| 06:26.40 | sontek | Its a company called Orchid, we do conference/event management software |
| 06:26.51 | tripzero | cool |
| 06:27.00 | sontek | They used to be a full .net shop |
| 06:27.08 | tripzero | are you guys a public company? |
| 06:27.23 | sontek | Nope, we are owned by Morris Murdock Travel |
| 06:27.38 | sontek | well.. owned by Simmons Media who owns morris murdock travel |
| 06:28.15 | tripzero | i guess a lot of work is going into wpf |
| 06:28.28 | tripzero | isn't that the backend to moonlight? |
| 06:29.58 | tripzero | dang, 1.2.6 won't run it either (different error) |
| 06:30.09 | tripzero | i guess it's not compatible |
| 06:30.25 | tripzero | heh, at least I have the latest mono now :) |
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| 06:32.26 | sontek | tripzero: whats the error? |
| 06:32.34 | sontek | do you have the source for the app? |
| 06:32.42 | tripzero | I can get the source |
| 06:33.19 | sontek | whats the error? it might be an easy fix |
| 06:33.23 | tripzero | It actually looks like a bug in the app |
| 06:33.46 | tripzero | "Could not find a part of the path "/hom/kev/megui\profiles\Video" |
| 06:33.51 | sontek | The biggest issue you'll find with porting a windows app over is paths |
| 06:33.53 | sontek | yeah |
| 06:34.05 | tripzero | heh |
| 06:34.12 | sontek | they didn't use Path.Combine and Directory.SeparatorChar |
| 06:34.42 | sontek | get the source and i'll show ya how to fix it ;) |
| 06:34.55 | tripzero | okay |
| 06:36.26 | tripzero | hmm, it may not be worth saving |
| 06:36.38 | tripzero | looks like it will also depend on other win32 apps |
| 07:51.55 | findlay | tripzero: pong |
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| 16:16.08 | findlay | hello |
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| 16:46.03 | elg | w00t |
| 16:46.14 | elg | I did get aeolus working. (found a virtual midi keyboard to test) |
| 16:46.24 | findlay | nice |
| 16:47.02 | elg | now i can practice at school |
| 16:47.58 | elg | i'm just in awe with aeolus. when I play it at home, with two regular mid-grade computer speakers, it sounds 500% better than the lousy organ our chapel has |
| 16:48.13 | elg | which, incidentally, keeps breaking |
| 16:48.24 | findlay | how old is it? |
| 16:48.41 | findlay | what's your ideal organ synth setup? |
| 16:48.42 | elg | an electronic allen, probably at least 20 years old |
| 16:48.48 | findlay | ugh |
| 16:48.56 | elg | i'd love to have at least two manuals and a pedalboard |
| 16:49.03 | elg | hooked up to aeolus |
| 16:49.09 | findlay | too before the digital sophistication era |
| 16:49.38 | elg | if i were filthy rich maybe a nice surround sound speaker setup |
| 16:50.01 | elg | aeolus has ambisonics and/or surround sound parameters. I find it sounds so good coming out of regular speakers I have no need to mess with it |
| 16:50.16 | elg | unless I were setting up a concert hall or something |
| 16:50.20 | findlay | could it handle sending different ranks or even pipes to different speakers? |
| 16:51.39 | elg | i'm not sure about that exactly, but I would be surprised if the instrument definition files don't have positional information |
| 16:51.57 | elg | so you say "these pipes are in the back of the tabernacle" and it takes care of the speaker stuff |
| 16:52.03 | findlay | which channel will it send it out on |
| 16:52.17 | elg | channel? |
| 16:52.48 | findlay | well in the SL tabernacle there's an antiphonal group of pipes in the back |
| 16:52.55 | elg | right |
| 16:53.29 | elg | i'm saying there might be a way, but it would be not a separate channel but a virtual position |
| 16:53.29 | findlay | I just meant that your sound card will have 8 channels, so 8 possible groupings of the ranks |
| 16:53.50 | elg | then the surround sound would be worked out automatically based on your sound configuration |
| 16:53.55 | findlay | ah |
| 16:54.09 | elg | but say for setting up a concert hall, that might be possible too |
| 16:55.10 | elg | if I could hijack the (probably-not-MIDI) manuals/pedals/stops from the church organ and route it through an aeolus "appliance" then out through the amps at church, that'd be cool |
| 16:55.16 | elg | nobody would let me do it of coruse |
| 16:55.20 | elg | but it would sound so much better |
| 16:55.50 | elg | at this stage i'd be happy if that stupid organ would give me a consistent volume from week to week |
| 16:55.59 | findlay | elg: hey, my aunt has a 3 manual and full pedal Lowry organ she got from Summerhays for $50 |
| 16:56.09 | findlay | always trying to give it to me |
| 16:56.14 | elg | i'll take it |
| 16:56.21 | findlay | I'll ask her about it |
| 16:56.28 | findlay | see if she still has it :) |
| 16:56.37 | elg | you'd be my hero |
| 16:56.58 | findlay | you could even keep the whole console box |
| 16:57.09 | elg | i've shopped around for pedalboards alone, they're like $100 used plus shipping |
| 16:57.13 | findlay | and wire up the keys and levers with midi controls |
| 16:57.22 | elg | yeah, you can do that. it'd be a fun project |
| 16:57.40 | elg | you can wire up the stops with a midi controller too, and aeolus can receive those messages for controlling stops |
| 16:58.18 | elg | since I'm far, it'll probably end up at my parent's house for a bit first if she wants to give it to me |
| 16:58.27 | elg | so the distance isn't a problem |
| 17:14.47 | findlay | got it |
| 17:15.08 | findlay | it'll just be a week or so before I can transport it from my aunt's house |
| 17:19.13 | findlay | elg: where do your parents live |
| 17:19.22 | elg | saratoga springs |
| 17:19.52 | elg | i'm sure I can talk them into helping lift/haul it. my grandma has a truck they can probably borrow |
| 17:19.59 | elg | them meaning my dad and bros |
| 17:20.06 | elg | ~lart vontrapp |
| 17:20.06 | ibot | squishes vontrapp like a bug |
| 17:24.08 | tensai | ~lart elg |
| 17:24.08 | ibot | blames elg for all the evil in the world |
| 17:41.34 | elg | ~lart tensai |
| 17:41.34 | ibot | gives tensai a good seeing to |
| 17:56.04 | findlay | elg: when can your family come to get it? |
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| 18:30.14 | tripzero | how do I get my winXP mac address for my wirelesscard? |
| 18:35.19 | nick125 | tripzero: network properties? *just guessing* |
| 18:37.56 | sontek | tripzero: ipconfig /all |
| 18:38.03 | nick125 | or that |
| 18:42.16 | tripzero | cool, thansk |
| 18:44.05 | findlay | h man |
| 18:44.23 | findlay | my roomate farted and it smells so bad that I can't breathe |
| 18:48.27 | findlay | I had to go outside |
| 18:48.52 | findlay | what can you do outside with a laptop? |
| 18:49.07 | sontek | sled? |
| 18:49.13 | sontek | frisbee? |
| 18:49.16 | findlay | no snow |
| 18:49.20 | findlay | too heavy |
| 18:49.28 | sontek | hmmm... |
| 18:50.00 | sontek | Take it apart and build jonny5 |
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| 20:07.53 | dilvie | shutup ibot |
| 20:10.57 | Supaplex | :D |
| 20:11.43 | Supaplex | dilvie: I had a crazy dream while trying to find your house in Provo. I ran into some relatives our family didn't know about. |
| 20:13.01 | dilvie | weird. |
| 20:18.38 | nick125 | yawns |
| 20:18.50 | nick125 | Supaplex: That's...uh...weird |
| 20:20.26 | dilvie | so urm. |
| 20:20.29 | dilvie | 78 comments now |
| 20:20.47 | dilvie | http://www.dilvie.com/2008/03/enraged-feminist-vs-utahs-sexy-dancers.html |
| 20:20.51 | dilvie | some pretty nasty ones |
| 20:20.55 | dilvie | and lots of nice ones |
| 20:21.21 | dilvie | but I feel harassed. |
| 20:21.30 | dilvie | and annoyed. |
| 20:22.12 | dilvie | the one that bothers me most is the mother blaming me for her daughter's drug use |
| 20:22.31 | dilvie | a little too close to home. |
| 20:23.37 | dilvie | 1) my mother does not approve of my lifestyle - so I empathize with the poor daughter, and 2) several of my friends have been killed by accidental overdose -- drug safety is one of my pet issues and I'm always trying to raise awareness about it in the community. |
| 20:24.18 | Supaplex | dilvie: spacemonkey.69 comments are on the money too :P |
| 20:24.23 | sontek | sexy dancers > feminists |
| 20:25.39 | findlay | dilvie: about time you showed up |
| 20:25.48 | findlay | :) |
| 20:26.45 | dilvie | hi findlay |
| 20:27.14 | dilvie | It just took me a while to re-instate my auto-join |
| 20:27.16 | dilvie | hahaha |
| 20:27.20 | dilvie | is lazy |
| 20:27.37 | nick125 | unlazys dilvie |
| 20:28.29 | Supaplex | *laugh* |
| 20:28.37 | Supaplex | dilvie lazy? naawwwwwwe |
| 20:28.52 | nick125 | haha |
| 20:29.14 | nick125 | dilvie: long time no talk..what's up? |
| 20:29.42 | dilvie | hehehe |
| 20:30.04 | dilvie | nick: photos |
| 20:30.18 | Supaplex | dilvie: when did you get to sleep after I left? I stayed up for a few hours after I got home, and just woke up about the same time you joined |
| 20:30.21 | dilvie | lots of photo work |
| 20:30.26 | dilvie | I didn't. |
| 20:30.34 | nick125 | dilvie: What kinds of photos do you take? |
| 20:30.40 | findlay | dilvie: all I can say is I don't like photographs that are sexually suggestive |
| 20:30.43 | dilvie | I've been captivated by the trainwreck of a comment siege on my blog. |
| 20:31.03 | findlay | that's my personal opinion |
| 20:31.33 | findlay | seems like you really stirred them up :) |
| 20:31.36 | sontek | dilvie: all I can say is the more suggestive the better! |
| 20:31.43 | findlay | ~suggest sontek |
| 20:33.11 | sontek | :D |
| 20:33.45 | sontek | sends naughty dancer pictures to findlay |
| 20:33.46 | dilvie | jaja |
| 20:34.02 | dilvie | laughs |
| 20:34.06 | dilvie | you guys are a riot |
| 20:35.01 | nick125 | And we don't even try :p |
| 20:35.18 | Supaplex | dilvie: Bob Minton is teh awesome. |
| 20:35.34 | sontek | my favorite sexy dancer in Utah is Alexis |
| 20:37.33 | nick125 | dilvie: (slightly unrelated) What kind of photography gear do you have? |
| 20:39.03 | dilvie | Nikon D80, 18-135mm 3.5-5.6, 50mm f1.8, sb-600 flashes |
| 20:39.16 | dilvie | I'm constantly frustrated by their limitations |
| 20:39.22 | dilvie | but I love them to death |
| 20:39.30 | nick125 | lol |
| 20:39.35 | dilvie | because they are so far superior to anything else in the same price range |
| 20:39.45 | dilvie | IMO |
| 20:39.55 | dilvie | I really want a D300 though |
| 20:39.57 | dilvie | and a D3 |
| 20:40.04 | dilvie | and a faster zoom |
| 20:40.15 | dilvie | maybe like a 17-50 f2.8 |
| 20:40.20 | dilvie | that would rule. |
| 20:40.30 | nick125 | wants a larger zoom lens....18-55mm is kind of restrictive |
| 20:40.40 | dilvie | and a 70 200 f2.8 |
| 20:40.46 | nick125 | nice |
| 20:40.56 | nick125 | I bet those lenses are a lot of money |
| 20:40.56 | dilvie | well, that's the dream anyway |
| 20:40.58 | dilvie | =) |
| 20:41.12 | dilvie | yeah, that's why it's still the dream and not the reality |
| 20:41.20 | nick125 | hahah |
| 20:41.21 | dilvie | but I've got money coming in and some great gigs lined up |
| 20:41.23 | dilvie | so we'll see |
| 20:41.51 | Sargun | dilvie, long time no see |
| 20:41.56 | Sargun | do you have any more music for me? |
| 20:41.57 | Sargun | :-P |
| 20:42.10 | Sargun | I remember last time you were in here you gave me 40 minutes of techno |
| 20:42.17 | nick125 | dilvie: Do you shoot RAW? |
| 20:43.31 | Sargun | nick125, There are a couple lossless formats |
| 20:43.37 | dilvie | yeah |
| 20:43.41 | dilvie | raw for sure |
| 20:43.50 | dilvie | sargun: did I? =) |
| 20:43.52 | dilvie | haha |
| 20:43.54 | dilvie | awesome. |
| 20:43.56 | dilvie | I rule. |
| 20:44.06 | nick125 | lol |
| 20:44.21 | Supaplex | dilvie: I found some software that runs off the sd card. my canon a570is can shoot raw with it :) (and other cool tricks) |
| 20:44.32 | dilvie | I haven't made any new music since I started shooting full time.. has it been so long since I was in here? |
| 20:44.43 | dilvie | supa: that's awesome. |
| 20:45.28 | nick125 | dilvie: I think it's been least 6 months since you've been in her |
| 20:45.29 | nick125 | e |
| 20:47.45 | dilvie | probably. ); |
| 20:47.49 | dilvie | I fail at IRC. |
| 20:48.01 | dilvie | I'm about to fail some more and catch a nap. |
| 20:48.18 | Supaplex | heh. a nap. |
| 20:48.39 | nick125 | lol |
| 20:48.55 | Supaplex | up all night, didn't sleep. it'll be no short nap. |
| 20:50.30 | Sargun | dilvie, Sleep? |
| 20:50.34 | Sargun | What's that |
| 20:51.24 | Supaplex | well, there's sleep, and then there's good sleep. sometimes fantastic sleep (as in my case lastnight). |
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