| 00:05.04 | levi | Cool, they're making a movie of Rendezvous with Rama. |
| 00:07.34 | levi | I've read his Space Odyssey and Rama series. |
| 00:08.27 | levi | Good stuff, though he succumbs to dirty old man syndrome in his later books. |
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| 02:06.14 | levi | Crazy, Apple has 14 percent of the sales in the PC market last month. And their dollar share of the market is 25%. |
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| 02:10.59 | levi | elg: I just heard that Apple had 14% of PC sales last month. |
| 02:11.13 | levi | Up from 9% in February last year. |
| 02:11.33 | elg | quite a feat, considering they don't sell PCs (well, they almost do these days) |
| 02:11.36 | levi | And their dollar share of the market is 25%. |
| 02:11.50 | levi | Sure they do, for sufficiently generic definitions of PC. |
| 02:12.14 | levi | I.e., the original sense of 'personal computer' as opposed to a workstation or timeshare system. |
| 02:12.59 | elg | :) |
| 02:16.43 | levi | So, I feel like a real embedded engineer now that I've used a scope and logic analyzer to help diagnose and fix a problem bringing up a new development system. |
| 02:17.00 | levi | I even have a scope and a task light on my desk now. |
| 02:19.28 | elg | awesome :) |
| 02:19.56 | levi | I don't have my own logic analyzer, since they list at like $18k. |
| 02:20.36 | levi | But the scope is a nice digital one. |
| 02:24.21 | levi | The problem we were chasing down was PCI-related. We've got this PCI card that you can plug into a PCI slot to analyze all the PCI bus traffic. It's way cool, except the 'disassembler' part of the software tended to crash. |
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| 03:06.33 | elg | so I was at barnes and noble and looked for that book Jayce^ mentioned, but they didn't have it |
| 03:06.42 | elg | so I picked up peter rinehart's whole grain bread book |
| 03:08.19 | elg | very interesting. he talks about using a "mash", which is basically scalding grain. does stuff to the enzymes, makes the sugars more available (read: sweeter taste), good for the yeast, etc. |
| 03:12.49 | elg | unfortunately holding a mash at 165°F for an hour violates my simplicity policy, unless the slow-cooker gets the right termperature range |
| 03:14.35 | RedHeron | Generally, it's simpler to do it at room temperature. |
| 03:15.08 | RedHeron | Just put the dough into a pot and cover it with a cheesecloth. |
| 03:15.28 | RedHeron | Let it rise and then punch it down and knead it 3x |
| 03:15.54 | elg | that's not a mash |
| 03:19.03 | RedHeron | Nope. |
| 03:19.07 | RedHeron | But it is bread. |
| 03:19.15 | elg | yes |
| 03:20.57 | elg | but the idea is to make better whole wheat bread |
| 03:21.25 | RedHeron | only makes whole wheat bread from 100% whole wheat. |
| 03:22.01 | RedHeron | Simplest recipe I know uses wheat flour, bread yeast, water, and honey (not a mash) |
| 03:22.55 | RedHeron | It's all done at room temperature, and it actually comes out half-decent for most people who like white bread, as long as I'm sure to be generous with the honey. |
| 03:23.14 | RedHeron | The honey seems to act kinda like a moisturizer. |
| 03:30.32 | elg | i'm interested to see what this mash does |
| 03:30.43 | elg | to see if it's worth doing |
| 03:31.37 | RedHeron | FWIW, yeast seems to like the honey a LOT. |
| 03:32.31 | elg | yeah |
| 03:34.00 | RedHeron | Oddly, I tend to have better luck with honey than with raw sugar. |
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| 04:30.13 | tensai | elg: ping |
| 04:30.19 | elg | pang |
| 04:30.34 | Sargun | RedHeron, Are you the guy in the open relationship? |
| 04:31.15 | tensai | so you said earlier that the commercial yeast in my sourdough start would die out eventually. how does that work? are commercial yeast not capable of sustaining themselves? |
| 04:31.36 | tensai | how are they different from the wild yeast that float about in the air? |
| 04:32.24 | elg | sourdough is a symbiotic thing between lactobacillus bacteria and yeast |
| 04:32.53 | elg | the l.b. produces lactic acide byproduct |
| 04:33.22 | elg | and baker's yeast isn't able to survive in that acidic environment |
| 04:33.26 | elg | neither are most baddies |
| 04:33.52 | elg | some strains of yeast are, and those are the ones that will end up in your sourdough |
| 04:34.10 | tensai | ah. that makes sense. |
| 04:34.30 | tensai | do you know how commercial yeast is grown? clearly it must be a different process. |
| 04:34.36 | RedHeron | Sargun: Yes. |
| 04:34.48 | elg | human-aided natural selection |
| 04:35.11 | elg | i think from fermented beverages. beer, etc. |
| 04:35.31 | elg | i mean, they don't extract it from beer, but the same processes they use to make it |
| 04:36.24 | RedHeron | elg: For bread? |
| 04:36.39 | elg | whatever environment worked to produce the strains of yeast that grow fast |
| 04:36.48 | RyanE | findlay: which Orchestra are you in? |
| 04:36.49 | tensai | I recall that the yeast for wine is found on the skins of the grapes |
| 04:37.00 | Sargun | RedHeron, ouch |
| 04:37.21 | RedHeron | Sargun: Why "ouch"? |
| 04:37.38 | elg | RedHeron: yes, baker's yeast |
| 04:39.57 | findlay | RyanE: I'm 'in' several |
| 04:40.39 | findlay | the concert at which I spoke with Linda was a Messiah concert last December |
| 04:42.09 | RyanE | findlay: cool. |
| 04:42.22 | RyanE | I love the way Linda plays. |
| 04:42.56 | findlay | dude |
| 04:43.08 | findlay | why does't debian support unicode by default? |
| 04:43.14 | elg | tensai: that could be |
| 04:43.41 | findlay | there's probably some secret command like apt-secret get unicode reconfigure support |
| 04:43.48 | elg | i know it's an old wives tale that grape skins help start a sourdough start |
| 04:44.12 | elg | but really it comes from the wheat |
| 04:44.16 | elg | not the air, not the grapes |
| 04:46.18 | findlay | ~wheat |
| 04:46.18 | ibot | methinks wheat is a grain, or a web developer, or an iBuilder |
| 04:46.43 | levi | How close to 165 degrees does a mash need to be? |
| 04:47.59 | elg | well, I didn't get to read things thoroughly |
| 04:48.31 | elg | but i think he's aiming for "beta amylase" |
| 04:48.32 | elg | http://www.bodensatz.com/staticpages/index.php?page=20020430195140909 |
| 04:48.49 | elg | no, make that alpha |
| 04:48.56 | elg | he said something about brewers like it at 185 |
| 04:49.08 | elg | but he likes to aim for 160, or less than 170 or something like that |
| 04:49.20 | levi | Hmm. |
| 04:50.26 | tensai | elg: from the wheat huh? interesting. so how would a San Francisco sourdough be any different from a New Jersey sourdough if they both use wheat from Iowa? |
| 04:50.54 | elg | yeah. whole wheat is much more effective.. |
| 04:51.29 | elg | san fransisco does happen to have favorable temperatures for start maintenance but otherwise there's nothing special about it |
| 04:51.42 | elg | sourdough all over the world has lactobacillus sanfranciscensis |
| 04:52.16 | elg | starts do have different character, depending on strains of lb and yeasts (usually there's not a clean-cut two, but a medly) |
| 04:54.09 | tensai | I just pulled my sourdough loaf out of the oven. what are the chances I can go to bed without eating a piece (since I've already brushed my teeth)? |
| 04:55.18 | findlay | I'm hungry, I'll eat it |
| 04:55.22 | findlay | takes it |
| 04:55.28 | findlay | eats it |
| 04:55.47 | elg | you sound like my wife |
| 04:55.55 | elg | always brushing her teeth too early |
| 04:56.08 | tensai | see there was a good reason |
| 04:56.29 | levi | elg: Here you go: http://www.target.com/gp/detail.html/601-6130942-6637761?ASIN=B00006IUWH&AFID=Froogle&LNM=B00006IUWH|Presto_Kitchen_Kettle_Multi-Cooker&ci_src=14110944&ci_sku=B00006IUWH&ref=tgt_adv_XSG10001 |
| 04:56.41 | findlay | I like flossing |
| 04:56.43 | tensai | my wife is going to bed and I'm staying up for who knows how much longer. I don't want to wake her, so I brushed my teeth and got my jammies on. |
| 04:57.06 | elg | who knows how long... sounds like you might need to eat |
| 04:57.13 | elg | sure you don't have another bathroom? :) |
| 04:57.17 | RedHeron | elg: Something else to try: brewer's yeast on popcorn |
| 04:57.34 | tensai | I have two of them and both are equally noisy in relation to the bed |
| 04:57.34 | elg | what is that suposed to do? |
| 04:57.39 | elg | besides ruin perfectly good popcorn? |
| 04:57.46 | levi | elg: I found that via a post on Cooking For Engineers where a commenter uses one and finds that it holds low temperatures steady for a long time. |
| 04:57.57 | levi | elg: It's not for popcorn, silly. |
| 04:57.57 | RedHeron | elg: I actually enjoy that, along with butter and salt |
| 04:58.07 | RedHeron | levi: Yes it is. |
| 04:58.17 | levi | elg: It's basically a pot that holds its temperature constant. |
| 04:58.36 | levi | And the temperature is adjustable via a dial. |
| 04:58.46 | levi | So, you put your mash in, set it to 165... |
| 04:58.53 | RedHeron | elg: I'm on levi's "ignore" apparently. |
| 04:58.54 | tensai | would a crock pot work? |
| 04:59.35 | levi | RedHeron: Oh, I missed your comment and thought he was thinking the link I posted was for a popcorn popper. |
| 05:00.06 | RedHeron | levi: Heh, okay, thought I was still on "ignore" from like a month ago re: political trolling |
| 05:00.15 | elg | hmm, actually I've got one fo those things. great for frying |
| 05:00.19 | levi | tensai: crock pots apparently don't have thermometers in them, so they get as hot as the equilibrium temperature allows them. |
| 05:00.27 | elg | sets it up to see if he can pin 160° |
| 05:00.43 | elg | my crockpot seems to have settled on about 180 |
| 05:00.45 | elg | with water in it |
| 05:01.26 | levi | elg: The commenter guy said he made extra marks on his dial down to 130 with an instant-read thermometer and some water. |
| 05:01.40 | elg | nice |
| 05:01.44 | elg | that'll probably work |
| 05:02.45 | levi | A nice simple solution, and you don't even have to buy anything! |
| 05:03.23 | tensai | levi: he wasn't going to buy anything one way or the other |
| 05:05.21 | levi | tensai: Well, I figured <$30 might be a plausible purchase. |
| 05:05.39 | levi | Especially for something that versatile. |
| 05:06.14 | tensai | maybe that's why he already has one |
| 05:07.04 | tensai | elg: wikipedia says that while grapes do contain wild yeasts, wine is generally inoculated with a standard strain to get more consistent results. |
| 05:08.33 | elg | it really is a nice tool |
| 05:09.24 | elg | incidentally, we fry a lot more since we made two investments. that fryer and a bottle of sparkling cider |
| 05:11.07 | tensai | wouldn't it be easier to fry in oil? |
| 05:11.20 | elg | :) |
| 05:11.25 | elg | we drank the cider |
| 05:11.34 | elg | the green bottle then is used to store old oil |
| 05:11.49 | elg | a funnel and a paper towel, once the oil has cooled off somewhat |
| 05:12.06 | elg | no more fryer sitting on the counter for days because nobody wants to deal with that oil |
| 05:12.13 | elg | and stuff browns better in old oil, too |
| 05:13.11 | RedHeron | Okay, folks... g'night. |
| 05:13.13 | RedHeron | is away: Busy for a bit... away! |
| 05:14.01 | elg | and it came with a plastic reusable bottle cap too |
| 05:14.33 | elg | nice, it's holding a very precise 158 |
| 05:14.43 | elg | and it warmed up a heckuvalot faster than that crock pot :) |
| 05:16.14 | levi | Nifty. |
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| 13:06.46 | Supaplex | try it and see :p |
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| 13:18.51 | emcnabb | ~lart elg |
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| 13:18.58 | emcnabb | I feel better now |
| 13:33.38 | Sargun | o.O |
| 13:37.53 | undertakingyou | emcnabb: nothing like a blazing fire to feel better ehh? |
| 13:38.28 | emcnabb | undertakingyou, especially when its main fuel source is elg! |
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| 15:09.59 | levi | Ugh. I didn't get to bed until 2, and then my daughter woke me up at about 6. |
| 15:10.32 | Supaplex | *YAWN* |
| 15:10.49 | Sargun | That's terrible! Isn't that part of being a parent though? |
| 15:11.07 | Jayce^ | doesn't make it easier.. |
| 15:11.36 | Sargun | hides from his co-worker who is yelling to himself as he doesn't think anyone is in the office |
| 15:11.40 | Supaplex | my only kids, all respond to init 0 |
| 15:11.55 | Sargun | levi, http://piccat.com/photos/sleeping-kitty.jpg |
| 15:12.08 | Sargun | Do you wanna be like that? |
| 15:12.13 | Sargun | Or do you wanna end up: http://www.comegetyousome.com/images/sleeping%20cat.jpg |
| 15:12.42 | Supaplex | haha |
| 15:19.21 | Jayce^ | interesting... Exxon Mobil pays 41% tax rate on its taxable income.. is microsoft still paying 0%? |
| 15:20.03 | jsmith | Jayce^: Which of the two companies has a bigger army of lobbyists? |
| 15:20.12 | jsmith | Jayce^: Or, as they say, "Follow the money" |
| 15:20.26 | Jayce^ | you woulda thought the oil companies, with the way folks go on.. |
| 15:20.44 | Jayce^ | exxon alone paid more taxes that the lower 50% of americans together |
| 15:20.47 | goozbach | but Jayce^ oil companies are EVIL! |
| 15:21.02 | goozbach | they HAVE to pay more taxes. Tax the EVIL |
| 15:21.04 | jsmith | goozbach: No, gov't is evil |
| 15:21.12 | goozbach | it's EVIL to make money. |
| 15:21.13 | Jayce^ | jsmith, you at Von? |
| 15:21.19 | goozbach | soo I'll be EVIL |
| 15:21.28 | goozbach | s/soo/soon |
| 15:21.31 | jsmith | Jayce^: Yes, sir. Had a nice conversation w/ Ivan yesterday |
| 15:21.41 | Jayce^ | goozbach, become a liberal, spend exxon's money to buy votes for yourself :) |
| 15:21.45 | jsmith | goozbach: And you'll pay taxes too |
| 15:21.50 | goozbach | I know |
| 15:21.51 | Jayce^ | jsmith, :) did you like what he built up for the show? |
| 15:21.56 | Jayce^ | the all-in-one? |
| 15:22.03 | jsmith | Jayce^: Yup... |
| 15:22.15 | goozbach | because too many people in this country are RICH and EVIL |
| 15:22.21 | Jayce^ | jsmith, want to help do a presentation on it at UTOS? :) |
| 15:22.34 | Jayce^ | then we can both get it tuned out to more than what's at the show |
| 15:22.48 | jsmith | Jayce^: Only if I can get the company to foot my travel expenses for UTOS |
| 15:23.41 | Jayce^ | of course they will, it's your job |
| 15:24.39 | Supaplex | wonders the same :) |
| 15:25.06 | jsmith | Jayce^: Yeah, but we'd have to sell a lot more hardware for me to be able to afford all the things I'd like to do as part of my job. |
| 15:25.34 | Jayce^ | think the bosses will like that app though? |
| 15:31.03 | jsmith | Jayce^: Uh... well... um.... |
| 15:31.19 | goozbach | ha ha |
| 15:31.31 | goozbach | that's the NDA uh... well... um... |
| 15:31.35 | goozbach | I've see it before |
| 15:31.43 | goozbach | s/see/seen/ |
| 15:31.44 | goozbach | bah |
| 15:32.03 | goozbach | me no spel god, athat s' unpossiblile |
| 15:35.45 | jsmith | goozbach: Naw, I just like to know the details of a system before I make that kind of judgment |
| 15:37.18 | goozbach | ohh, that was the "I'm not sure" Uh... well... um.... |
| 15:37.37 | goozbach | not the "I'm under NDA" uh... well... um... |
| 15:37.47 | goozbach | there's a subtle difference. |
| 15:37.57 | goozbach | four periods vs 3 |
| 15:38.12 | goozbach | captial U on the "Uh" |
| 15:38.17 | goozbach | honest mistake |
| 15:38.19 | goozbach | sorry |
| 15:38.50 | Supaplex | ~smack goozbach |
| 15:38.51 | ibot | ACTION smacks goozbach upside the head. |
| 15:39.20 | goozbach | no smack me |
| 15:39.25 | goozbach | me smack you! |
| 15:39.30 | goozbach | ~smack Supaplex |
| 15:39.31 | ibot | ACTION smacks Supaplex upside the head. |
| 15:39.58 | Supaplex | harder. I'm still not awake. |
| 15:40.12 | goozbach | ~smack Supaplex |
| 15:40.13 | ibot | ACTION smacks Supaplex upside the head. |
| 15:40.16 | goozbach | ~smack Supaplex harder |
| 15:40.16 | ibot | ACTION smacks Supaplex harder upside the head. |
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| 15:44.24 | goozbach | snickers really satifise |
| 15:44.26 | goozbach | d |
| 15:44.28 | goozbach | dang! |
| 15:44.32 | goozbach | giv up today |
| 15:44.36 | goozbach | er give |
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| 15:44.45 | Supaplex | ~typolart goozbach |
| 15:44.50 | goozbach | I haven't had a mt dew in two days |
| 15:44.55 | goozbach | that's moi problem |
| 15:45.13 | Supaplex | I haven't had one in months, maybe years |
| 15:45.51 | ^Migs^ | http://youtube.com/watch?v=khuu-RhOBDU |
| 15:50.40 | goozbach | ~jazz |
| 15:50.40 | ibot | jazz is, like, hip cool cat. Can you dig? |
| 15:50.48 | goozbach | ~jazztechno |
| 15:50.56 | goozbach | ~technojazz |
| 15:59.05 | sjansen | ^Migs^: WTF?! |
| 15:59.21 | ^Migs^ | this guy is whacked |
| 15:59.29 | ^Migs^ | look at this one too: http://youtube.com/watch?v=6Op5or_vkcc&feature=related |
| 16:00.32 | ^Migs^ | HAHAHA, "Don't trust any Negro to be your leader who hasn't been in jail" |
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| 16:50.32 | elg | -chat |
| 16:50.46 | elg | ~mourn brac |
| 16:50.46 | ibot | ACTION lights some candles for brac |
| 16:56.40 | sjansen | The wicked witch is dead? |
| 17:02.31 | undertakingyou | sjansen: don't believe it . |
| 17:03.01 | elg | might be disguised as emcnabb |
| 17:04.08 | emcnabb | ~lart sjanse |
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| 17:05.21 | sjansen | ~kickban emcnabb |
| 17:05.43 | bmidgley | anyone know the story with Josh Coates talk today? |
| 17:05.53 | bmidgley | I'm headed out but can't find my notes on room etc |
| 17:08.24 | Jayce^ | 11:30 a.m. -- 1:30 p.m. |
| 17:08.24 | Jayce^ | Wednesday, March 19 |
| 17:08.24 | Jayce^ | Mountain View room, Novell cafeteria |
| 17:08.24 | Jayce^ | 1800 South Novell Place |
| 17:08.24 | Jayce^ | Provo, UT |
| 17:08.31 | elg | findlay: so I decided to play wachet auf runs die stimme instead of the sheepy song |
| 17:08.41 | Jayce^ | bmidgley, so, in one of the rooms at the cafeteria |
| 17:08.59 | elg | i found i had a copy of it with the left hand in bass clef instead of alto clef all along |
| 17:09.11 | elg | which makes it considerably easier to play |
| 17:09.56 | bmidgley | Jayce^ thanks!!! gotta rush over |
| 17:11.22 | elg | ~lart Jayce^ |
| 17:11.22 | ibot | stabs Jayce^ |
| 17:11.24 | findlay | nonsense |
| 17:11.33 | findlay | alto clef is easy to read :) |
| 17:12.02 | elg | i would like to get alto clef chops |
| 17:12.08 | elg | i'm getting better |
| 17:12.15 | elg | but still way behind realtime |
| 17:12.17 | findlay | learn the viola :) |
| 17:15.11 | elg | i'd also like to learn to play 4 staffs (or more) at once |
| 17:15.47 | elg | i think I might need a ram or cpu upgrade for that though |
| 17:15.57 | elg | s/ram/cache/ |
| 17:17.10 | elg | actually what I really need is to just sight read a bunch of alto clef lines |
| 17:17.27 | findlay | try the art of the fugue |
| 17:17.42 | findlay | if you can read through all of that, you can read any polyphony |
| 17:18.06 | findlay | the top 3 voices are in alto clef, but mobile as necessary :) |
| 17:19.24 | findlay | I always cheat, though, and read the piano staff condensed part |
| 17:19.39 | elg | tsk tsk |
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| 17:54.50 | ^Migs^ | what's the Linux equivalent of Adobe Premiere? |
| 17:56.14 | sjansen | jabbing an a fork in your eye |
| 17:56.27 | sjansen | it'll be more enjoyable than trying to edit video on Linux |
| 17:56.51 | elg | and probably more enjoyable than adobe premier |
| 18:01.37 | Sargun | Premiere is the Video editing suite, right? |
| 18:02.59 | ^Migs^ | right |
| 18:03.13 | ^Migs^ | I just need to splice some movies together |
| 18:06.14 | sjansen | If you don't mind getting your hands dirty, mencoder is knows for its quality. |
| 18:07.12 | Supaplex | hot glues some dvds together, and hands them back to ^Migs^ |
| 18:07.43 | ^Migs^ | I've actually had better luck with ffmpeg, though I don't know if that can merge files together |
| 18:08.00 | ^Migs^ | er, splice files |
| 18:14.39 | tensai | heads to wyoming |
| 18:14.41 | elg | set up a script to play the files |
| 18:14.45 | elg | and get your camcorder out |
| 18:14.50 | elg | ~cowboy tensai |
| 18:14.57 | tensai | ~yee haw |
| 18:20.05 | sjansen | ~chap tensai's hide |
| 18:36.02 | redbeard2 | tensai: http://thepioneerwomancooks.com/2007/07/bacon-wrapped_j.html |
| 18:36.24 | Jayce^ | redbeard2, wow |
| 18:37.01 | redbeard2 | tasty |
| 18:39.49 | redbeard2 | you can't go wrong with any food who's name starts with "bacon-wrapped" |
| 18:41.40 | goozbach | redbeard2: I've still yet to try the bacon chocolate chip cookies |
| 18:42.47 | redbeard2 | goozbach: i forgot about those. ask tensai what he thinks of bacon chocolate |
| 18:43.12 | Jayce^ | Fat == flavor enhancement + Chocolate... must be a winner |
| 18:44.11 | redbeard2 | Jayce^: http://thepioneerwomancooks.com/2008/01/superbowl_sunday_idea_have_a_quesadilla_party.html check out the photo with the M&Ms going into the quesadillas |
| 18:46.34 | Jayce^ | red peppers + m&ms.. hrmm |
| 19:02.38 | goozbach | the little girl my wife nannies REALLY wants her to have a baby... |
| 19:03.03 | goozbach | yesterday she sent my wife home with her doll so she "could practice being a mommy" |
| 19:03.18 | elg | did you help her practice? |
| 19:03.18 | goozbach | and today she's asking to take Charity shopping for a crib. |
| 19:03.22 | elg | make crying noises |
| 19:05.17 | Jayce^ | goozbach, so get a baby, I know of some nice 08 ego's for sale :) |
| 19:09.15 | elg | Jayce^: i have dough in the fridge since last night. gonna try a miniloaf on friday or sat |
| 19:10.30 | Supaplex | it's alive! |
| 19:13.03 | findlay | whatever |
| 19:13.47 | findlay | a little NaOCl will take care of that |
| 19:15.04 | Jayce^ | cool |
| 19:15.47 | Supaplex | so will heat :) |
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| 20:02.08 | sjansen | Go away, or we shall taunt you a second time you silly English kah-nig-it! |
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| 20:32.59 | sontek | The airports are going to push me to alcholism! |
| 20:33.15 | Jayce^ | thought you were already there.. |
| 20:33.18 | sontek | WellWellasdlkj |
| 20:33.27 | sontek | I was on the verge! |
| 20:33.33 | sontek | but 5 hour delay is gonna get me there |
| 20:34.12 | sontek | and the 18 hour flight from sydney prior to the delay isn't helping ::P |
| 20:34.38 | goozbach | sontek: where's ya at? |
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| 20:38.08 | sontek | goozbach: i'm in SFO waiting to go to SLC |
| 20:38.27 | sontek | goozbach: I guess there is pretty bad fog right now |
| 20:41.01 | goozbach | eek |
| 20:41.11 | Supaplex | bad fog, no biscuit! |
| 20:41.21 | sontek | I just want to sleep :P |
| 20:41.30 | Supaplex | 2 |
| 20:41.34 | goozbach | did you see the proof of concept I did for a twitter irssi plugin? |
| 20:41.44 | sontek | I did not |
| 20:41.45 | sontek | link? |
| 20:42.05 | sontek | I have the day off tomorrow so i can hack on it |
| 20:44.41 | goozbach | http://projects.friocorte.com/twitter-irssi/wiki |
| 20:45.14 | elg | goozbach 3 |
| 20:45.38 | goozbach | 3? |
| 20:45.53 | goozbach | Supaplex: elg says "3?" |
| 20:46.08 | goozbach | elg: are you not talking to Supaplex again? |
| 20:46.11 | elg | supaplex 2, goozbach 3 |
| 20:46.17 | elg | sontek 4 |
| 20:46.21 | elg | we could go on all day |
| 20:46.25 | goozbach | elg -43 |
| 20:47.51 | sontek | elg: 42 |
| 20:50.52 | ^Migs^ | hahaha http://qdb.us/20164 |
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| 22:02.35 | nick125 | gets to setup an OpenLDAP server on tuesday...whee |
| 22:04.37 | elg | i think ugh would be the more appropriate expression |
| 22:05.01 | nick125 | elg: That'll be about five minutes after I start. |
| 22:05.39 | elg | openldap isn't bad, it's the ldap part |
| 22:05.56 | elg | don't get me wrong, ldap is cool. it just sucks. kind of like xml |
| 22:06.23 | nick125 | The big "ugh" part is trying to break OpenLDAP into doing what I need it to do. |
| 22:07.09 | sjansen | nick125: What do you need it to do? |
| 22:07.57 | nick125 | I need to be able to authenticate Linux and Windows clients, manage priviledges (give admin/root privs to users in the Administrators group, etc), handle home directory mounting (for both windows and Linux), handle authentication for email and website (depending on boolean flags, something like "web_admin", "web_user", etc...I don't know), and clean the kitchen sink, |
| 22:11.12 | nick125 | Unless someone has a better idea on how to handle this. |
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| 22:15.44 | Supaplex | lacky deligation! |
| 22:16.16 | nick125 | I don't have any technical lackies. |
| 22:16.26 | beandog | so you do have lackies? |
| 22:17.06 | nick125 | They can't do anything technical and I'm not sure why they are even involved. |
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| 22:19.05 | nick125 | Anyone have a recommendation for an LDAP web interface? |
| 22:20.38 | mrpull-lt | nick125: i believe one of the pluggers wrote phpmyldap (or some similarly named UI) |
| 22:21.20 | nick125 | phpldapadmin? |
| 22:21.32 | Jayce^ | yeah, dave wrote it |
| 22:21.34 | mrpull-lt | that may be it |
| 22:21.36 | mrpull-lt | dave smith |
| 22:21.47 | nick125 | neat |
| 22:21.58 | Jayce^ | at least the original versions... he's passed it on to others now |
| 22:22.37 | nick125 | my main concern about this is the custom schemas (for the user boolean options), windows compatability, and mounting the home directory upon login. |
| 22:22.48 | mrpull-lt | i've used it in test scenarios. it is capable. |
| 22:23.22 | mrpull-lt | are you doing a samba dc? |
| 22:23.49 | nick125 | More than likely. |
| 22:24.09 | nick125 | (I'm not exactly certain, but that seems the besst way...I'm trying to figure this out *before* tuesday) |
| 22:24.28 | mrpull-lt | buy windows server and run a DC on there :) |
| 22:24.38 | nick125 | No thanks :p |
| 22:26.26 | nick125 | My main issue with just mounting /home from the server and have the client deal with permissions is rogue clients that may mount the NFS mount. |
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| 22:27.20 | nick125 | In OpenLDAP, what would be the best way to handle "groups" where a user can belong to multiple groups? That might be easier than a bunch of boolean flags. |
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| 22:27.53 | mrpull-lt | it's pretty obvious this hotel's network cant handle the 6:30 rush |
| 22:28.07 | mrpull-lt | i'm really not trolling... windows is probably the best solution |
| 22:28.15 | mrpull-lt | but i'll have to defend that position after dinner |
| 22:28.37 | nick125 | I don't have the money and I'm not going go to deal with trying to setup a Windows server. |
| 22:30.31 | nick125 | It'd probably cost least...$1500 to setup a windows server with a 25 seat license. |
| 22:32.10 | sjansen | nick125: Here's something we used to use for Windows auth http://www.pgina.org/ |
| 22:33.19 | nick125 | sjansen: Nice. |
| 22:33.32 | nick125 | bookmarks that |
| 22:33.38 | nick125 | sjansen: Thanks for the link..it looks really useful. |
| 22:35.57 | sjansen | nick125: Here's a project to keep an eye on: http://freeipa.org/ |
| 22:37.52 | nick125 | So, if one of you guys were to implement something like I need, how would you do it? |
| 22:39.34 | nick125 | Basically, I need to handle centralized login for Windows and Linux as well as home directories on both OSes. |
| 22:39.45 | sjansen | Linux NFS home dir on login is super simple with RH's system-config-auth. Even if you have to configure PAM by hand, it's still not hard. No idea for Windows. |
| 22:40.32 | sjansen | Now if you want secure homedirs.... you're in for a lot of work. |
| 22:40.45 | sjansen | Heck, as it is you're in for a lot of work. |
| 22:42.07 | nick125 | I know. |
| 22:42.18 | nick125 | It's probably going to take least two weeks to get working. |
| 22:42.49 | nick125 | Does OpenLDAP support having a user belonging to several groups? |
| 22:43.01 | sjansen | Sure. It's all about the schema you choose. |
| 22:43.28 | nick125 | (for example, could a user could belong to the "admin" group, the "webadmin" group, etc?) |
| 22:43.33 | sjansen | For Linux, you'll need to add the posix schemas. Sorry, don't remember the details off the top of my head. That's what reference manuals are for. |
| 22:43.57 | elg | yeah, you definitely need ldap |
| 22:44.08 | elg | the o'reilly book is decent |
| 22:44.15 | elg | iirc |
| 22:44.16 | nick125 | elg: Do you know how much it is? |
| 22:44.24 | nick125 | googles |
| 22:44.32 | elg | no, they baught it for me. but it didn't look too expensive. not that thick |
| 22:44.37 | nick125 | Deploying OpenLDAP? |
| 22:44.51 | nick125 | nah, that's not O'Reilly... |
| 22:45.29 | elg | no, this one http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/ldapsa/index.html |
| 22:45.50 | nick125 | elg: Thank you. |
| 22:46.25 | nick125 | will go over to barnes and noble |
| 22:47.09 | sjansen | nick125: You should ping the UUG list. If you can catch the attention of the BYU CS admins, they could probably give you some up-to-date advice. |
| 22:49.57 | sjansen | nick125: Looks like it might be out of print, but you should also checkout "OpenLDAP by Example" |
